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She protested the Vietnam War and participated in Civil Rights protests in high school. She went to Reed College as a freshman in 1967, but later dropped out. Karen and her friend Garrick became a couple and later they had a daughter. Garrick's parents, Judith Malina and Julian Beck, were founders of The Living Theatre. Together, Karen and Garrick moved to Drain, Oregon, to buy and establish an eighty-acre hippy commune called \"Rainbow Farm.\" There was a focus on spirituality. Karen later moved to Eugene, after which she completed her degree and moved on to graduate school. At this time, she met lesbians and became involved with women. She graduated from Yale University with a doctorate. Later, Karen taught at Princeton University and became a professor of French at the University of Oregon, where she taught for many years. She concludes her interview by discussing aging issues.\n\nKey terms: African Americans  --  Civil rights  --  United States; Bars (Drinking establishments)  --  Oregon -- Eugene; Communal living -- Oregon; Counterculture; Drug use; Lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD); Reed College; Riviera Room; San Francisco (Calif.); Soromundi Lesbian Chorus of Eugene; Vietnam War, 1961-1975  --  Protest movements  --  United States."]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Karen McPherson (Interviewee)","Judith L. 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The recordings will be made available through the University of Oregon Libraries’ Special Collections and University Archives. This is an oral history interview with Karen McPherson on August 30, 2018, taking place in the University of Oregon Libraries’ recording studio in the Center for Media and Educational Technologies. The interviewers are Linda Long, Curator of Manuscripts in the UO Libraries’ Special Collections and University Archives, and Professor Judith Raiskin of the UO Department of Women's, Gender, and Sexuality Studies. Karen, please let us know if you agree to be recorded for this project, and that you give your permission for the university to preserve and make available your recorded and transcribed interview.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=4.01,50.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: I do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=50.56,51.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Thank you very much. Let's just start with a basic question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=51.01,54.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Can you please tell us when and where you were born, where you grew up, and something about your early background?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=54.76,59.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: I was born in Boston in 1950. March 7, 1950. My parents had met in graduate school, and my father was teaching at Wellesley, maybe? I was their first child. We lived there for two years, and moved to Northampton, where my father was teaching at Smith, and my brother was born. And when I was five, my father hated academia and wanted to be a writer, and was writing novels. And we moved to a farmhouse in northwestern Connecticut, where he was going to be a famous writer. And we lived there until my parents decided that they couldn't support us, and my mother went to teacher's college, and became an elementary school teacher. She was the breadwinner, and my father was the writer at home. We lived first in Bantam, Connecticut, and then we moved to Marbledale, and I lived in Marbledale until I graduated from high school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=60.38,122.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Where's Marbledale?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=122.94,123.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: It's between New Milford and the northwest corner of Connecticut. Really rural Connecticut. The high school I went to was the second-smallest high school in Connecticut, so there were about twenty kids in the class. And I was pretty miserable. And when I was a senior I transferred from the public high school to Wykeham Rise School, which was a private girl's school in the town, but I was a day student.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=123.35,153.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Why were you miserable?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=153.64,155.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Partly I was younger than everybody because I had started kindergarten early in Massachusetts, so when we came to Connecticut, I went into first grade at the age of five. And then by the time we were in third grade, I was not only the youngest in the class, but I was also the tallest girl. I just was not really comfortable socially, and then I was just a kind of a histrionic teenager. So high school was a struggle. And when I transferred to the private school, it was an art school, so you majored in an art, and it was very— It was like a hothouse of— And of course there were all these girls who were living in these dormitories together, and so it was really intense. And I had very— When I was in eighth grade, my family became friends with a couple that lived in a barn nearby, and he was a filmmaker and she was a painter, and I fell madly in love with both of them, and my parents fell madly in love with both of them, and it was this really intense, artistic, intellectual, leftist political thing, and Marilyn, the painter, taught at the school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=156.0,241.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Actually they both ended up teaching at the school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=241.41,243.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: That you went to?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=244.46,245.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: That I went to as a senior. And I made some very, very close women friends that I, you know, I would— Gabby and I would send each other love letters all day in the library. It was kind of unhealthy. I mean it felt kind of unhealthy, and at the end of my senior year, I went and spend the summer with a family— You know, family friends in Cleveland, and everybody sort of felt it was good to get me out of that situation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=245.35,277.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Were you thinking about your sexuality at that time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=277.66,281.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: You know, your questions about coming out and stuff were so strange for me because I think my family never made a big deal about sexuality. I think I assumed I was straight if I had thought about it, if somebody had asked me. But I was clearly emotionally drawn to both men and women all the way through. We had family friends like my parents’ old friend Pat was a lesbian and would come with her lovers and stay at the house, so there were different kinds of people coming through and nothing was really made of it. It wasn't really talked about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=281.56,321.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What year was this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=322.35,324.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: I graduated from high school in '67. Through the '60s, and— it was also we were going through the '60s and we were protesting the war, and we were doing some civil rights stuff in the local town, and you know, so my parents were pretty much leftist intellectuals. But I was also— I went off to college, still not only just a virgin, but never having kissed anybody.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=324.7,356.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'd had this intense emotional thing where I was you know, sort of in my mind and in my diaries and kind of angst and sensuality, but nothing. I arrived— I went to Reed College partly because I wanted to get as far away from Connecticut as possible. I'd never been west of the Mississippi, so I flew out to college never having seen the West Coast at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=356.89,385.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Why did you want to get so far away?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=385.96,388.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: I think the high school, especially at the very end of it was so intense, and the thing with Peter and Marilyn, the couple— and I'm still close friends with Marilyn— was really complicated for me, and I didn't know what to do with it. I was totally wrapped up in them as a couple. I mean I looked back through my journals and at various times I was in love with couples. And they were difficult, and it was a difficult kind of configuration with my family because they were the intermediate generation between me and my brother and my parents, and we were all kind of dancing around each other. I was ready to have this fresh start.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=389.51,446.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I applied to different schools. I got into Reed, and then I decided to go to Reed, and so I arrived in Portland in the fall of '67, and I met Garrick, the— well, I had two roommates, and roommate Janice was already seeing somebody that was an entering freshman that she'd met down in Palo Alto, so they were both Janice and Mimi, my two roommates, were much more outgoing than I was, and kind of sort of opened up the world, and I met Garrick, who was a, I don't know, roommate of somebody. I guess he was interested in me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=446.06,490.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Three weeks into the year we went out walking one night, and ended up in the Reed College amphitheater and kissed, which was this huge event for me. It was like “Oh my God.” Just to explain how huge that was, he and I were then together until I was twenty-five. So, it wasn't without ups and downs and ins and outs, but so I was at Reed '67, '68 through December of '68, and then we were so— let’s see. It was either October or November of my freshman year, we went to an SDS meeting, and they were looking for people who hadn't yet been arrested protesting the war, so Garrick and I and Janice and a couple of other of our friends said that we would be willing to go down and chain ourselves to the Selective Service. Which we did, and got arrested. Everybody else was eighteen and I was seventeen, so I was taken off to juvie.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=490.55,559.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was that like? Were you scared?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=559.82,566.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: No, we were all very excited about the whole thing. I mean it was a little strange because when they took me, I mean it wasn't like they locked me in a jail, they took me into this room and somebody came in and talked to me very earnestly about why I was protesting, and I was very earnest about why I was doing it, and then the following spring when I actually came to trial, this guy was one of the witnesses against me, but the lawyer was able to pull some strings and get it expunged from my record. We did that, so we were kind of involved with that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=566.94,598.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then I smoked marijuana for the first time, and we were doing, you know, we'd spend the weekends smoking marijuana, and by the time it was fall of '68, we were hitchhiking down to San Francisco to see Jefferson Airplane, and you know, Janis Joplin. December of '68 I took LSD for the first time. January of '69 I dropped out of college. Garrick's parents were nonviolent anarchist revolutionary theater people. They started The Living Theater.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=598.84,638.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They were touring the States, and they came through Reed College after which a half of the freshman and sophomore class dropped out. And a lot of them followed the theater at that point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=641.79,653.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Oh, wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=653.79,653.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Garrick stayed in. He was— he was kind of back and forth between the influence of his parents and the influence of his grandmother who had actually brought him up after his parents went to Europe. He stayed in for another year after that, but I had dropped out, and we were still living in Portland. We opened a free store and did some “Be-ins” and things and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=653.91,677.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you describe first of all what Portland was like then, and what a “Be-in” is, and what a free store is?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=677.14,687.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: There were several houses of lots of people in communal living situations that we were involved with. We had a house that we got with three friends that we called Temple House, and we opened it up as a sort of a place for wayfarers, so people who were— There were a lot of people hitchhiking up and down the west coast at that point, so people would come and we'd let them stay over in our house. We found a little store front and just called it a free store, and put stuff in it and gave it away. We had some kind of “Be-in” on top of Mount Tabor that I remember.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=687.36,734.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What's a “Be-in”?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=735.62,736.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: I don't know. It made sense at the time. You'd go and you're there. You probably sing and dance and chant. A lot of it was kind of spiritual, you know. There were a bunch of people who were seeing various gurus and things, and I wasn't really into that, but I was definitely sort of channeling a kind of a general spiritual discourse.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=737.16,765.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Were you raised with any religion or spiritual—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=765.81,768.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: My parents I think knew that they wanted us to have some exposure to religion, so when I can remember when I was in first and second grade when we lived in Bantam, they would drop me and probably my brother, but I'm not sure, off at the local— I don't even know what kind of church it was, and then they'd go home and read the Sunday Times, and then come pick me up. I went to Sunday school. Their parents, my grandparents' generation, my paternal grandmother was a Quaker, but her family, that whole family was some form of Christian missionary stuff, and there were Christian missionaries on my mother's side too, and I think my parents were in the generation that kind of rejected all that in favor of reason or something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=768.68,824.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At a certain point when I was growing up, we lived down the street from the— We lived across from the Episcopal church, and down the street from the Episcopal minister, and the Episcopal minister ran a Great Books group that my parents went to, and they really liked him, but they couldn't abide the Episcopal church, so we actually— They for a couple of years had us all going as a family to the Congregational church, but then they really couldn't stand the minister, so they stopped doing that. So, not really.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=826.52,852.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was the spirituality that attracted you when you were in Portland?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=852.76,858.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: I think it was partly a sense of sort of life force and communal energy and meditation. Yoga. Eating healthy, brown rice, you know. There was a lot of that. It was kind of like when the Beatles went to India, because that whole influence was starting to permeate the community, so that was a big piece of it. Probably associated with the drugs, too, because we were taking LSD as a way to open our minds and get in touch with the universe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=859.69,896.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And how was that experience for you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=896.92,903.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Scary at first, but it became part of what we did for a while, and you know, I look back and I see myself trying to adapt to the things that I was doing and convincing myself that they were what I wanted to be doing, and then later I looked back and thought did I really want to be doing them, so I'm not sure. We certainly— I certainly felt like it opened my mind in important ways.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=903.5,935.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: How would you get those drugs?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=936.73,941.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Everybody had them. When Garrick and I went to Europe in the summer of 1969, so that was between the first and— No, in summer of '68. No, summer of '69. It was between— I'd already dropped out of college. He was still in college. And we actually ended up in Morocco, and we met Ronny Laing, R. D. Laing, and he gave us some great LSD because it was all connected with the theater. By the time we came back to Oregon at that point, we were pretty much into the drug culture as part of what we were doing. I don't think I was ever as comfortable with it as some of the people I was living with and around, and when I sort of moved on to other circles after that, I let it go pretty easily.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=941.42,1004.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was R. D. Laing like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1004.14,1005.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: He was a riot. He was with his wife, I guess, and a little baby, and he was very funny, and actually we— They came to Morocco when we were in Morocco with The Living Theater, and then when we were— We had taken a charter flight to go to Europe and back because it was really cheap for students, and when we came back to London, because it was a charter flight, London-New York, when we came back to London, we went to visit him because I think Garrick wanted to get some— Or give some— Something about LSD anyway, so we went. And he said \"When's your flight,\" and we said, and it turned out that we thought we were going out from one airport, and we actually were supposed to be leaving from the other airport, and he took us in his little car. He drove on the sidewalks to try to get us to this other airport. Of course we got there and we saw the plane taking off, so we missed it. At which point, we called Garrick's grandmother and said \"We're stuck in Europe. We have no money. We're going to stay here.\" And she was very angry, but she sent us money for a ticket so that we would come home, so we went home.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1005.99,1072.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And can you tell us— could you describe what The Living Theater was?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1073.45,1077.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: The Living Theater. Julian Beck and Judith Malina and their whole crew started in New York. They did a lot of sort of experimental and political and socially-conscious stuff. When Garrick was growing up, they were in New York for the first bunch of years, and then—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1078.44,1111.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You mean they did performances that were—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1111.73,1113.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: —they had a theater in the lower, somewhere in the lower east side, I think, and they lived up on West End Avenue. They had an apartment on West End Avenue and were in with all the beat, the poets, and the theater people, and the political people, and stuff. He grew up sort of surrounded by that, and then the government was really— Boy, I'm really oversimplifying this, but the government was really threatened by them and trying to get them out, and actually both Julian and Judith ended up in jail at one point for tax evasion or something, and then finally they said \"We can't do this here anymore.\" And I don't remember what year it was, but they took the whole theater to Europe and they spent probably the time when Garrick was from— It was at least junior high and high school, he stayed in New York and lived with his grandmother, or his grandparents, and then his grandfather died, and his parents were traveling around Europe with The Living Theater.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1113.29,1179.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And what were the performances?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1179.22,1180.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: When they came back to the States to tour, they were doing one thing called Mysteries and Smaller Pieces, and they were doing a huge thing called Paradise Now. They had something, maybe that was earlier, called The Brig. A lot of running, like, spectacle kind of things, and challenging the audience, or inviting the audience. The Paradise Now usually ended up with a whole bunch of people without their clothes on writhing around on stage. I feel embarrassed to be describing it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1182.33,1222.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was the political import of it? What was the purpose of it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1224.07,1226.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: The purpose was to create a peaceful nonviolent anarchist revolution. They were definitely pacifists. They were definitely anarchists. And they, you know, I can remember one of the plays had all these refrains that the actors would go through the audience and they would say things like \"I am not allowed to travel without a passport,\" you know. And the fact that I'm thinking now as I think back, to what's happening now, that back then in, you know, 1960 whatever, one of their things was \"I am not allowed to travel without a passport.\" You know, it's like that, so. It was interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1226.51,1267.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And what was your feeling about The Theater, and about that whole world?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1267.75,1271.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: I was totally taken with it, and I loved it. I was a little— I was always— felt Garrick's hurt, that they somehow— that their mission was more important than their son. Because there was some— You know, he absolutely idolized them, and he would always sort of look for how they would feel about what we were doing, and whether we were living up to those ideals, and I sort of felt like the parenting piece of it had been secondary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1271.63,1304.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And how was your relationship with him?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1305.97,1307.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: It was— Wow. It was good. It was sometimes rocky. We sort of— I mean, if you figure that I was seventeen and I jumped into this relationship, and I'd never had another relationship, and then we're going through all of this stuff, and it's like free love, and you know. He would go off, and then he'd get involved with somebody else, and then I'd be a total wreck and jealous and freaked out. And then we'd get into sort of relationships with the two of us and another couple, or him and me and some other woman, and you know. I mean it was like that sort of— sexually, it was complicated because part of me was— We're all, you know, here, and isn't this beautiful, and aren’t bodies beautiful, and aren’t we all free and liberated, and part of me was clearly looking for a long-term relationship that made sense to me according to whatever paradigm I had already internalized, and some of it was internalized from romantic notions in reading and movies and things like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1308.57,1380.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was your major when you were at Reed?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1380.62,1382.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Well, you know, you didn't have to major as a freshman, so I took Victorian literature, and Russian— and at the very end I was starting to take French before I dropped out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1382.74,1394.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So you had literary sensibilities.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1395.0,1396.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: I did. I took ceramics, which I— you never got grades. I got the grades later when I applied to U of O and realized that I'd done all right, but I hadn't done stellarly. And I did most poorly in ceramics, which pissed me off, because I never even saw a teacher in there. Yeah, I mean there were— it was a kind of a missed opportunity because it was an exciting place academically, too, but I was not in the position to really benefit from that. I was really preoccupied with other things at the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1396.6,1434.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So you left Reed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1434.73,1436.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: So we— Garrick turned— When he was— When he turned twenty-one, he inherited twenty thousand dollars from his grandfather's estate or whatever, and we were living in Portland and doing all of the counterculture stuff in Portland, and we decided we wanted to buy some land and start a commune with this group of friends. So in, let's see, '70, '70?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1436.67,1468.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's really— Yeah, May 1970 we found eighty acres of land outside of Drain, Oregon, down the Smith River Road, with a river through the bottom— the road ran through it. The huge bottom field, really fertile field. River running through the bottom, then a hillside and forest all the way up to the ridge.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1469.64,1488.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And an orchard, and a spring, and a house, and a little barn.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1489.04,1493.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We were able to buy it for $17,500, cash.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1494.87,1498.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We moved there with about ten friends. And that fall I got pregnant. I was trying to. I got pregnant. And we lived through that first winter, mostly we were building a couple of geodesic domes, and an A-frame, but a lot of us were living in the main house, on the upstairs of the main house, which was a really small cabiny kind of house. We got rid of the electricity because we didn't want to be on the grid. Dug outhouses. A two-seater outhouse. A root cellar, put in a root cellar. We were doing the whole back-to-the-land thing, and you know, reading Rodale and whatever, and you know, Mother Earth News.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1500.93,1555.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Small group through that winter. I was blissfully pregnant.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1555.21,1563.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We had a friend who— I don't remember when we met her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1564.7,1567.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We met her through some festival up in Bellingham I think, Terry, and she moved to the farm with us, and she and I were really close. She and Garrick and I had one sort of corner of the upstairs that we had blocked off as a kind of a little place, and she had her bed and we had our bed. She and I would go for walks in the morning because I was pregnant, and eat oranges.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1567.52,1592.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was idealistic. We really thought we were starting something very exciting, but we— and we were vegetarian, and nonviolent, and some sort of non-denominational spiritual. And working hard. And I'm looking back, and I'm thinking it didn't have really split gender roles. It's like I was chopping wood and hauling stuff, and when we went into town to make the metal hubs for the geodesic dome, I'm working the drill press and stuff. And there were guys who were doing a lot of the cooking as well and cleaning. But sort of— In terms of the dynamics of the way it worked, it was clear that the guys were much more pushy and outspoken and talkative, and it was kind of understood that the women were the strong, silent, wise types behind the men who had to go out there and do the show. It was, you know, you sort of felt that dynamic anyway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1592.19,1665.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"By the spring, when the rains were letting up and people were traveling up and down the west coast, hitching up and down the west coast, we had a lot of traffic. The word was out that Rainbow Farm was there, and you could come through and you could stay. By the time Eden was born on the eleventh of July in 1971, I think there were a hundred people on the farm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1667.08,1690.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I think there were probably about fifteen in the room when she was born, but I don't remember who they were. I don't have really any— every once in a while I'll run into somebody who will say \"Oh, I was there when your daughter was born.\" It's like, “okay.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1691.23,1703.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And who helped you with the birth?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1703.87,1705.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Initially, I was seeing somebody who was I think a— I don't know if she was a naturopath or a chiropractor. Something in Eugene for prenatal stuff, and she retired, and she handed me over to some homebirth midwives, maybe from Veneta, and I can't remember who they were. And on the first of July when I was having contractions, we went to the neighbors’ house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1707.04,1730.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The Gatchells next door would let us use their phone, and called and said that I was in labor. And they came out and, you know, it was a first birth and I was in labor, but I wasn't in labor. And they stayed for a little while and then they left.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1730.91,1745.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then in the interim, in the next couple days, a school bus showed up, and it had Leonce and Monique, and Leonce was a doctor in a free clinic in San Francisco that Terry had met when she traveled down there, and they were coming up through and they said \"Oh, we'll attend your birth.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1746.71,1766.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: But just coincidentally, they were there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1766.59,1768.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Just coincidentally, or they knew. I think they knew I was due or something, I mean I don't know, you know, it just felt like— so we never— I asked Garrick recently at some point, because he wrote a memoir. He just published this book about— which is full of all kind— his version of things. I said to him, \"Do you remember who the midwives were, and did we ever pay them?\" And he said \"Oh, I'm sure we paid them.” I don't know if we did because we never called them back. Leonce and Monique were there, but it was just— I had— Well, Peter and Marilyn, who were the people in the barn, had moved to Portugal and had a baby, and Garrick and I had visited them when we went through on our way back from Morocco to England on that trip, and she had done Lamaze, so I was totally into Lamaze, so I had done all this reading, and we were just, you know, some breathing and panting and whatever, so, you know. Had the baby.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1768.54,1822.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then there was another couple on the farm where Laika was about a month behind me in pregnancy, so we attended that birth there, you know, and then I think we thought we knew what we were doing, and I went to maybe two or three more homebirths around in various places in the next year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1824.15,1848.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was a piece of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1850.29,1851.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Karen, what kind of income did you have? How did you keep the farm going?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1851.71,1856.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Well, we spent the $17,500, so we still had a couple thousand dollars in the bank that was going for stuff, but people brought whatever they had. So, we didn't need a lot. We needed things like cooking oil, and kerosene. And people, because we had so many people coming through, it was sort of understood that people would donate what was needed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1856.49,1885.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"People brought food, and people brought supplies, and people gave money.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1885.35,1888.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And what was the farm called?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1889.74,1891.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Rainbow Farm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1891.67,1892.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And how was it having a new baby?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1892.81,1896.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Well, it was complicated, because Garrick's parents were in Brazil doing street theater in the favelas in— I don't remember where it was they went. I don't remember which city they were in. And they got arrested and thrown in jail in Brazil, so Garrick's grandmother went to Brazil and picked up his younger sister, Isha, who was four at the time and brought her to us. When Eden was born, I think she brought her after Eden was born, but within like a week or so. I had not only a new baby, but Garrick and I and Terry, who was my close best friend who was, you know, suddenly had a very traumatized four-year-old who had been speaking mostly Portuguese, and who was now not speaking at all. And Terry kind of took her over, because I was overwhelmed already, and sort of fostered her through the summer, and at the end of the summer, Julian and Judith got out of jail and came and collected her and everything. It was a kind of an intense summer that I don't remember much of now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1897.75,1968.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then by the time— Okay, that was '71. In December, Garrick and I and Kaushal and Sihu, who were really close friends— Kaushal we had met at Reed, and he was living in Eugene, and we had been there when their baby was born.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=1969.46,1998.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The four of us and the two babies drove across the country in the snow in December nonstop. I think we stopped to visit somebody in Denver and took a shower, but we didn't stay the night. We dropped them off in Memphis, which is where he was from, and we drove on up to New York. And it was the start of our— We had a Volvo station wagon that Garrick had— His grandmother had bought for him at some point, and we were going to be on the road inviting people to the Rainbow Family of Living Light First Annual Family Gathering in Colorado, in Rocky Mountain National Park in Colorado, which was to happen on the Fourth of July in 1972.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=2001.5,2044.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We spent from December '71 through that winter and spring, first traveling all up and down the east coast going to ashrams and communes. You know, free communities, and you know, whoever we could think of to invite to this. We had printed up— I'm pretty sure we did that before this— printed up a kind of an invitation called “The Rainbow Oracle.” I'm pretty sure we printed it at Jackrabbit Press with Kate, and we were traveling around and handing that out. And we came back to Eugene. And then I drove across the country with Lila and her two kids and Terry and me and Eden in a station wagon to Woodstock, New York, and then caravanned back with the troop from Woodstock, New York to the gathering in Colorado. Meanwhile, Garrick was traveling around with Sky Blue who is still one of my good friends, and a couple of other people, and doing his Garrick thing. And then we all ended up at the gathering.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=2045.73,2128.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How many people were there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=2128.75,2130.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Hundreds, thousands, I don't know. It was big. And I was uneasy about a lot of things because we'd just had a baby, and I was really focused on small family, and we were doing this huge thing, which was part of what was Garrick was always about, was having to do some huge thing. I was kind of back and forth between trying to figure out where my piece was in all of it, and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=2132.65,2164.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was the purpose of the gathering?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=2164.98,2166.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: World peace? There's a big, huge circle on the noon on the Fourth of July where everybody held hands and did “Om”, and we were going to— and they still have— You know every year they have a Rainbow Gathering, so it was— Yeah. So, we were on the road then, and then Garrick and I went off and did some camping after that and traveled up and down through California, and ended up back in Oregon. But in the meantime— there had been some talk before we left about that the farm was not coming together the way we wanted it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=2167.11,2212.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A lot of the people that we had started it with had left because they thought it was kind of too crazy, and there was this sort of constant turnover, and you can never really kind of set something down because there was always going to be some new infusion of people who needed to be taught that you don't smoke cigarettes in the house and whatever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=2212.29,2235.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When we got back to Oregon, the people who were living on the farm in our absence— There'd been a sort of arrival of a group of people who were hunters with horses and guns, and kind of saying, you know, \"Possession is nine-tenths of the law, and we're here, and we're not going anywhere.\" All the people that we had started it with had kind of gone to other places, and other people had moved in, and even though the land was in Garrick's name, it was not something that we were comfortable calling in the law. So, it was a real dilemma.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=2238.75,2289.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We moved into a duplex in Springfield, and I was working at Sprout City packing alfalfa sprouts, and we were trying to figure out what we were going to do. And so we called Garrick's parents and said \"Okay, you're so smart, you deal with these things. We're in this situation. We don't feel that we want to call in the law, but we have these people who are basically squatting on the land and refusing to leave.\" And it was hard, because when we went there, they stood on the front porch, you know, with the men with their arms around the women, and the gun here, and the women— you know, these were smart women who were not acting smart, and they're saying \"You're going to have to use force to get us out of here.\" So we said \"Here we are, we're in this dilemma.\" And Garrick's father said \"You have to figure out a way where it's not polarized, where they don't feel that it's a win and lose.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=2289.64,2363.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Probably what you need to do is figure out what they need, and figure out how to help them get it.\" Which I guess made sense.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=2363.48,2372.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, we talked to Garrick's grandmother. She was the one with the money. And we said \"Will you help us to help these people to go somewhere else?\" And she said “Yes.” So, we went, and we said \"We will take you up to Washington State and look for a little piece of land that you can all move to,\" and we did, and they moved.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=2373.11,2396.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And Garrick's grandmother bought the land?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=2396.85,2399.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: And she gave some money to go towards the land.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=2399.45,2402.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Do you remember how much that was?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=2402.55,2404.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: No idea. It was a pretty crummy piece of land, as I recall. And it was funny because it was sort of in the middle of a lot of Indian reservation land, or Native— and they were always playing the kind of the cowboy thing and that, and it just looked like it was going to be really complicated. But anyway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=2404.08,2424.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Where were your parents during all this? What did they think about your life?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=2425.28,2428.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Oh, so my parents had moved to Saskatchewan in 1969 because my brother was draft age, and they wanted to get to Canada, and my mother had gone back— She'd finished her dissertation while I was in high school, so she was now teaching— When we were in Connecticut, she was teaching part time at the university level at some branch of the University of Connecticut. And then she went on the market, because she published her book, and she was able to get a job as a professor, or assistant professor. I don't know what level she started in at the University of Saskatchewan. They moved to Saskatoon, and my father was miserable, and it was 1969, and everybody was like questioning what they were doing with their lives, and they ended up splitting up, and he went and packed up his typewriter, and cashed in his life insurance, and backpacked around Europe for a year, and she stayed in Saskatoon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=2428.32,2492.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They were, I'm sure, not happy that I dropped out of college. I can't imagine that they thought that me deciding to have a baby when I was twenty, twenty-one was the best thing, but I never felt any kind of pressure from them. They seemed very accepting of what I was doing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=2493.25,2518.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: When did they meet the baby?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=2519.18,2520.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: My mother came probably first for a week or so, and then my dad and Phyllis, who he ended up marrying later, but he basically was with Phyllis for the rest— You know, once he came back from Europe, he got together with Phyllis. Phyllis was my mother's first cousin, so it made the family tree very interesting. And they came out and visited and stayed too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=2522.47,2550.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, they were involved, and they were supportive. And I probably— If I read those letters, I'd figure out a little bit more about what was going on. I look back on the kinds of letters that I was writing to them, and it's kind of scary to realize how much I was cheerily projecting a certain confident vision of what I was doing, where the undercurrents were like \"What the hell am I doing?\" So, where am I then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=2550.4,2590.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: In Springfield in a duplex.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=2590.38,2591.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Springfield in a duplex. Then we moved back to the farm, but it was just me and Garrick and Eden, and then a couple of other people who came and lived in other buildings, and we were actually trying to make it a farm, so we were growing carrots and soybeans, and we were fencing, and we were working very hard, and I decided I was feeling really— I was trying to write poetry, and I was trying to figure out who I was and what I— Whether I had any ideas of my own. And I decided to take a course as a, you know— It's a community education thing, so I came in one night a week to the University of Oregon and took a lit course. And then somebody moved to the— David moved to the farm, and I actually got involved with him, which I think, at some point looking back, I thought it was— I kind of needed an escape hatch, and that was going to provide it. At the time, I don't know what I thought.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=2591.73,2669.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But it sort of came to a head in the fall of— It must have been 1975, yeah, okay. I left the farm in the fall of 1975, and I went and stayed with my— Eden and I went and stayed with my mom in Saskatoon for a couple months. And then in January or February, Garrick came and picked up Eden and brought her back to Oregon, and David came, and he and I traveled east and went to Europe for a month. Came back, drove across the country in one of those— somebody pays you to drive their car across the country, and ended up back in Eugene, at which point I went down— Terry came, and Terry and I went down to the farm, and I figured out what I was going to move out. And I went and found an apartment in Eugene.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=2671.94,2736.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you describe what Eugene was like then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=2736.09,2738.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: I didn't know Eugene very well. We would go into Eugene for groceries and stuff. When we were on the farm, we would come and— We had some friends, Leslie and somebody, and we'd come and do groceries and then go to their house and eat dinner and watch TV which was really exciting, because we didn't have any electricity on the farm. And we'd go to Springfield Creamery, and Koobdooga. So when I moved back to Eugene, I kind of knew it, but I didn't really know it as a community, you know. We knew a few people there, and I knew a few people there. I got a little apartment on Sixteenth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=2739.24,2784.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right, one block off Willamette, and moved in there, and was suddenly a— I was still involved with David, but I was really— It must have taken me almost a year to detach from that, so he would come and go, and I would write pages and pages of trying to analyze and figure out why I was involved with him, and I was still having a lot of complicated interactions with Garrick, and then I had this four, five-year- old, and I was a single mom.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=2787.15,2830.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I needed some income. And then when Garrick and I split, because I felt guilty because I had run off with David, I didn't feel like I deserved anything, so I went to the farm and I took what I thought was really mine, and then I think with some tension, we agreed that Garrick would give me half of what little amount we had in a savings account, and basically that was it. I needed a job, so I remember going to an employment agency and realizing that I didn't have any skills or any work experience. I can remember looking through windows at various offices and looking at these phones with buttons on them and thinking \"I don't even know how to use one of those things,\" and I wasn't really— I started practicing typing. I wasn't really good at typing, and I was just— And I had some interviews and didn't get hired, and then I went and had an interview at the textbook department at the U of O bookstore, and Nancy interviewed me. She was the— She wasn't the head of the textbook department, but she was like the top of the hierarchy in that department. And I was so totally surprised that I got hired, so I had a job, which was very exciting. And that really opened things up because Nancy and Karm both worked there, and at that time, each of them was married to their husband, both of whom were named Don.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=2832.17,2932.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Who's Nancy?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=2932.98,2936.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Her name was Nancy— Well, Nancy Minnie or Nancy Leonard, so I think Minnie was her husband's name, and Leonard was her name that she went back to when she split from him. And so I started getting— you know, I had a group of new friends. I was totally involved in the fact that I was sort of marginally connected with the university. And all these textbooks coming through, and all these courses being listed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=2936.82,2968.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I was pretty good at my job, and so that's a period when— I mean there's basically a year or two— I worked there '76, '77, and I think I stopped working there in '77, but I was still in Eugene until '79.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=2968.29,2992.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There were all these overlapping things, you know. I was still dealing with stuff with Garrick, I was working on Ten Point Five, which was a collective of us did a literary magazine here in Eugene, and so that was a huge piece of what I was doing, because I really wanted to be a writer. And I was involved with the people that I'd met at the bookstore, and that sort of extended group.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=2995.9,3021.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Who printed it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3024.13,3025.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: And David was still there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3025.58,3026.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Who printed the things that you wrote?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3027.9,3030.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: You know, it's interesting. I actually brought it because I couldn't— we called it Oz Publications, but I think we invented that. I don't think it ever says where it got printed. I don't remember.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3030.6,3050.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And what's Ten Point Five mean?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3050.54,3053.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Ten Point Five is the frequency, cycles per second, and it's the median alpha wave frequency of the human brain. It had patrons from all kinds of things, Secondhand Bookman, Living Room Bookstore, Son of Koobdooga bookstore, Homefried Truckstop, Chase Flowers and Gifts, Hoedad's Co- op, et cetera, et cetera. Metropol, Homefried Truckstop, Sundance, China Blue, Sprout City. I was really involved in that. I spent a lot of time with those meetings and working on that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3054.17,3092.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then I was spending a lot of time with Karm, and with Nancy, and with Jill, and with Bonnie, these people at the bookstore, and there was a lot of— Oh my gosh, I can't even remember the orders of things. At one point I went out with Karm and Nancy, and I think at that point they were each of them still living with their husbands, and we went to a gay bar, which must have been the one that you were talking about earlier, but I hadn't remembered that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3093.3,3134.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Riviera Room? Mm-hmm [affirmative].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3135.67,3136.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: I do remember it was very dark and there were strobe lights and things, and that we danced, and that they drove— who was driving? I guess Nancy was driving, and she dropped Karm off first, and they kissed when they said goodbye, and then dropped me off, and so— It feels to me like it sort of started to dawn on me that they were having a relationship, and then they each moved out, and they moved in together, but then I got involved with Nancy first, and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3136.4,3177.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Was that a surprise to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3177.72,3183.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Not really. I think my whole sort of experience of relationships with people from the time that I— Well even through the time with Garrick when we were sort of openly, periodically in sort of more open sexual situations, but certainly by the time I moved into Eugene, when I looked back, my memory flattened everything, and when I thought I remembered, I thought I could sort of remember \"Well, you know, I did sleep with a couple of guys, and yeah, I did sleep with a couple women,\" and then I'm looking back and it was like much longer-term and more complicated things than I had actually remembered when I read the journals.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3183.25,3236.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It didn't surprise me in any kind of dramatic way. It piqued my self interest in trying to figure out what I thought about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3243.34,3255.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How I felt about the fact that I clearly had always had very intense emotional relationships with women, but not to the exclusion of having relationships with men. But that I was still somehow looking for this sensitive cello-playing-intellectual professor-man who was going to be a partner, you know, that somehow the picture I had in my brain of who I was or where I was going was that. At the same time I'm kind of acting on whatever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3256.52,3297.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: In 1979 when you're in Eugene, there's a hugely expanding lesbian community, and lots of organizations. How much awareness did you have of that world in Eugene?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3297.64,3312.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: I think really marginal in a lot of ways. I think I sort of was aware of it a little bit through both Karm and Nancy and the other people that they were around. And I was more aware of kind of feminist stuff, because I had come from the commune, which was all counterculture, but wasn't necessarily articulating what was happening in terms of gender politics and gender dynamics. As soon as I was a single mom living in Eugene with a daughter and starting to read— well, I also— I went back to school. I mean one thing that happened was that after I was working in the bookstore, I got intrigued by specifically the French courses, and went and took one course and met Françoise, who was my teacher, and she said \"What are you doing? You should not be taking this pass/fail, and you should go back to school,\" and so I quit the bookstore, and I got a bunch of wonderful grants that they used to give for people who needed grants to go to school, and I went back to school. So, I had that, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3312.34,3399.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had the influence of taking Randi Brox courses on feminist literature, and reading, you know, Simone de Beauvoir, and Virginia Woolf, and Monique Wittig and all this, so that was happening at the same time, and Olga Broumas giving readings on campus. There was the kind of the literary piece, and the campus piece, and the community piece, and the common part of it for me probably was mostly kind of feminist consciousness rather than awareness of the lesbian community. And I think— when I look at my journals I can see me sort of circling around to like \"Why men? What is it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3400.19,3449.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's such a drag. Where are the good men, and why am I so insistently heterosexual and still sleeping with women from time to time, and why— \" You know, just trying to figure that out. I was going to read you that one thing because I thought it was really interesting, so this was— Let's see, October 19.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3450.11,3472.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: This is your journal?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3472.73,3474.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: This is from my journal. This must have been October 19, and I don't know what year. Seventy-nine? It says \"After Holly Near and Mary Watkins concert, full of thoughts and reverberations, mostly about my own precarious and self- conscious straddle-balance in the world of women and women's art, and the area of my own sexual identity, my sensuality. I'm heavily drawn in by the complete integrity and the strength and beauty of Holly Near and of her magic in bringing political ideals and art together. At the same time, I am very uncomfortable in my hetero suit surrounded by the Eugene lesbian community, so completely ecstatic in its pride in itself. I feel embarrassed to be either. I cannot focus on the goodness of man-ness at all in that environment, yet I continue to be a misfit when surrounded by sisters sistering.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3474.58,3530.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"I feel what I feel with Jesus freaks or Moonies or frat rats or Maoists. I feel trapped, reactionary, the outsider. Yet I am seduced by this energy because it is my struggle, and it is my cause. I'm seduced because I'm made to feel love and admiration, as it always is with the Living Theater, and I watch my capacities for love growing, and I feel deep sensual life threads, but I watch myself programmed for what insane rat maze maneuvers with men and with myself. I think about Marilyn, who is my oldest love in that sense, and I watch myself falling in love with Françoise, more on the idolizing teacher-pupil level, and sometimes with Karm it is also comfortable.\" It's like are you— That's sort of where I— that kind of sums it up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3530.71,3572.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: It's very self-aware.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3573.43,3574.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Well, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3574.78,3576.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And confused.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3576.27,3576.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: And confused, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3576.38,3580.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Interesting. So you saw the community. You saw the community in Eugene.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3580.8,3583.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: I saw it, and intersected with it, but certainly didn't really know it at all at that point, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3583.08,3589.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Now what about any gay student union, what’s it called, the Gay and Lesbian Alliance—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3589.73,3595.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yeah, the Gay and Lesbian—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3595.91,3598.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: —on campus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3598.72,3598.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Alliance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3598.84,3598.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Not on my radar.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3598.92,3599.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: GALA.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3600.42,3600.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Not on my radar at Oregon at all. You know, really the only parts that were on my radar was the fact that I was so involved with Karm, especially, and totally in love with Françoise my teacher, so that I just went on, and on, and on about that, and I can remember a friend who had actually been a friend from Reed who had gone back to New York and become a very— She sort of became a Marxist lesbian separatist, she was really, you know, very sort of strong and outspoken, and she came through to visit. She said \"You're in love with her. Why don't you just admit it? You could be a lesbian.\" And I was like \"No, I'm not a lesbian. Yeah, I'm in love with her.\" At that point I think I didn't— I didn't really know. I mean I wasn't— That's why the whole question of coming out is so hard for me, because I don't know what you mean when you say coming out. It's like I went— When I finished my degree and I went to France for a year with Eden, we were in France for a year. And before we left Eugene— Okay, backtrack a little bit. I gave a poetry reading somewhere in there, and I met a local writer-musician named Laurence, and we started communicating and became friends, and he said he wanted to set one of my poems to music or something, and he was very charming.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3600.49,3704.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He went off to Europe while I was still in Eugene, and he actually went off to Europe with Elise and Elise's young daughter because they were a couple, though I didn't really know that. They had showed up at the bookstore right before they left for Europe, and that was the first time I ever saw Elise. But I didn't really—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3704.99,3732.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Could you just say who Elise is?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3732.88,3733.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Elise is now my partner. They went off to Europe, and Laurence and I corresponded for the year or year and a half while they were in Europe. He mostly didn't write about her, and he was having a relationship with somebody else, and it was a— I'm really good at intense epistolary relationships, and this was an intense epistolary relationship. We corresponded back and forth, and he was a writer, and I was a writer, and we were both into French. When he said they were coming back, he sent all his boxes and books to my apartment, and he still was kind of downplaying the fact that he was with somebody. I mean he'd sort of mention her and then not mention her. And he came back first. He came back and we actually slept together, which was a big mistake, and then he was a real jerk about it, and I was real freaked out like what message is he— He's like \"Well I always like to check it out and sleep with somebody, I mean, you know.\" And then she came back with Kirsten, the older daughter, who was her daughter from her first marriage where her husband had died and her son had died, and Marieke, who was their daughter together who had been born in France. So all of a sudden there's this little family there. The first time I saw her, I just— I mean I read her from my diary yesterday, it's like I looked at her and I said \"She's so beautiful and I love her.\" It's just like I don't know where— And so during that period before I went to France, during that summer, my mom had a sabbatical, so she had decided to come and spend her sabbatical in Eugene because she worked on sociology of education, and the education school here was really good, and there was all the stuff she wanted to do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3733.95,3849.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At which point I applied and got this ability to go to France for the year, so she came, and during the summer when I was still in town, we spent a lot of time with Laurence and Elise and the kids, and Elise and I got quite close, but she was in this complicated relationship with him. They had separate apartments— I think he thought they were going to be like Sartre and Beauvoir or something, you know? And she was always really vulnerable, and it was, you know. But she and I really— that became the relationship, the close friend relationship. And my mother stayed on in my apartment until December even though Eden and I went to Europe, and so my mother and Elise and Laurence spent a lot of time together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3850.38,3904.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Elise came over and visited twice when I was in France, and we traveled together, and from that point on, both when she was with Laurence and when she finally got free of him, we would spend all our vacations together. We would—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3904.54,3922.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And you were not lovers?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3922.34,3923.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Never. We would spend Christmas together, we would travel together, and we had these letters that are clearly love letters, and weren't, because we just never kind of imagined that that's what we were doing. At the same time, she's trying to figure out what's happening with her relationship with Lawrence, and it was really hard for her to get out of that. She would call me up and talk for two hours in the middle of the night. I came back and went to graduate school, so I went to Yale, and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3924.85,3961.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: In French?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3961.96,3962.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: In French. At the urging of a couple of my professors from Oregon, when I went to France for that year, I think I thought I was going to be a writer and live in a little sixth floor garret in France forever, and then I was encouraged to apply to graduate school just because why not, and then once I got accepted, it felt like a much clearer path than the uncertainty of how I was going to— So that was a fork in the road that, you know, at times I've really regretted, but you know, sort of understood why it happened.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=3962.07,4004.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: For security, financial security, or—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=4004.67,4006.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Well not so much financial security. Definitely not. A lot of loans, but just something decided, and a sort of a lighted path towards some goal rather than not really knowing what I was doing. And because I had a daughter, and I had to figure out where I was going to be. I had resisted academia for so long, and then got kind of drawn into it. And one reason I did French was because I didn't want to do lit crit, not in English because I didn't want to trample on the sacredness of the writing, but then I kind of got a lot of pleasure out of doing— sort of using my brain again a little bit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=4006.63,4061.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I went to Yale. Eden was at that point nine, and she— Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=4061.09,4078.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She was sort of going back and— She'd spend some times in the summer with Garrick on the farm and go to the gatherings, and sort of be still living that hippy life, and I was being a single mom graduate student, age thirty. When I got to Yale, I met a bunch of the other students. I was not real happy. I took a course with Shoshana Felman on Lacan, and of course with Barbara Johnson on Mallarme and I was a little bit like \"What have I gotten myself into,\" and it was the height of deconstruction, everybody was working with Paul de Man, it was— I was really wondering whether I belonged there, but I felt like I was deeply into it and committed, that I'd chosen this and I had to make it work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=4083.69,4147.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I met Leslie who was a year ahead of me in graduate school. And we became really good friends through the fall, and in January of that year— so that must have been January 1981, my mother had been visiting, and we'd been spending some time— Leslie was spending a lot of time at my apartment, and I think Eden had gone off with Garrick at Christmastime for something, and Leslie and I became lovers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=4147.73,4179.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it wasn't the first time I'd been lovers with a woman. But we ended up living together, and I really for the life of me can't remember how we went from sleeping together one night to living together, but it seemed just to happen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=4180.9,4196.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I remember telling my parents, it was like \"Well, you know, I'm with this woman,\" and my mother said \"Well, I saw that coming when I was there at Christmastime.\" And so, she and I were together through Yale. She dropped out. She really had a hard time with it, and ended up working in a record store, and then working for the post office, and I stuck it out because I had to, sort of. And we were there until '87, when I finally finished my dissertation and got the job at Princeton.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=4196.56,4240.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And there were—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=4241.65,4242.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Is that a job as a—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=4242.5,4243.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Assistant professor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=4243.93,4244.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Okay, at Princeton?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=4244.84,4245.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: We had had sort of right at the end in New Haven, she fell in love with somebody else, and we were seeing couples therapists, and I wasn't at all convinced that it was going to last. And when I went to the— I was such a basket case when I went to the on-campus interview at Princeton that I didn't even care, and I just kind of— Which is probably the best way to do one of those things, and as soon as the interview was over they called me in and said \"We want to offer you the job,\" and I was \"Fuck this.\" Just like— so I moved to New Jersey, and she decided to come even though she was still kind of involved with this other woman, and then we tried to patch things together, so we were there in New Jersey.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=4245.71,4297.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then probably— so if we went in '87— in '89 Elise had been living in Toronto. She and Laurence had split up, and she'd gotten involved with somebody who was in his twenties, Bolivian, trying to get legal status in Toronto. She was really involved in that whole ESL community, and she had gone to Nicaragua and done some work there, and some teaching, and so she'd gotten involved with David, and gotten pregnant by choice. And in 1989, August 1989, she had just had a baby. And so she came and visited at Christmastime because we always visited. And then she went back to Toronto, and we moved to a different house in Princeton.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=4300.19,4360.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At Princeton, I really got involved in the Gay and Lesbian Task Force, and I had colleagues who were lesbian, you know, I mean I was— By that point, being with Leslie, I was identifying as, okay, you know, I'm part of this community, and I'm part of this politics, and I'm thinking, you know, we're working on this, and we were sort of working with students, and being pretty active about all of that. And Leslie went to— decided to change careers, and went to become a physician's assistant. She was in school, and she met a fellow student in school and fell in love with her, and so this was the second time that we were on the verge of splitting up, and then we actually kind of did, but it was this really long, painstaking, horrible process. And at the same time, I allowed myself to get involved with a woman colleague for a while.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=4363.49,4433.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"All that was happening, and then Elise had moved to Princeton. She— Andres was two, and she felt like her situation in Toronto was untenable. She felt like Andres' father was more like a kid than a partner. He wasn't really into parenting. He was really young, and he would, you know, just go out and drink with the guys at night, and she said \"I just can't do this,\" so she moved to town. So we helped her find an apartment, and I spent a lot of time with her helping her go around try to find work, working in daycare center, and she and Andres, who was, you know, two and three, were sort of part of our extended family, and Leslie and I and Elise and Andres would go to Leslie's parents who lived in Somerville, or up the road in New Jersey, and go to the diner every Sunday, and Andres looked at Leslie's parents like grandparents, you know, “Abuelita Fry.” Elise was there, and was kind of part of all of this scene, and Leslie and I were having death throes, and at some point in there I was involved with Anne, and I think Leslie and I finally realized that we were not going to salvage this. And I can't remember the chronology of it, but at some point, Elise and I started looking at each other and said \"Huh.\" So we started being physical with each other, and shortly after that Leslie moved out, and I changed houses, and Elise and I moved in together. Then we were there with Andres.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=4434.95,4551.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Where's Eden?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=4552.17,4555.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Eden had gone to college. She graduated when we were still in West Windsor, and she was born in '71. Yeah, she had already— she had graduated from college by the time Leslie and I split up because we had gone out to her graduation together. She was not in the picture, but Andres was in the picture. Which is interesting, because when Eden was a kid and I was first living as a lesbian with Leslie in New Haven, I knew a few other lesbians. There were women in the program at Yale who were gay. There were a couple of faculty members who were living together. I didn't know any lesbian parents, any lesbian families. I didn't know, you know, there was nothing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=4555.3,4611.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I can remember looking, and there was somewhere in some other far reaches of Connecticut, there was some group that was talking about gays who wanted to have kids. And there was one book by somebody in Australia called Rocking the Cradle that was about lesbian parenting, but there was nothing. Eden was in like fourth, fifth grade, and she was very ashamed of having these two women living together and sleeping in the same bed at home. She told me she couldn't bring any of her friends home, and that I ruined her life, and you know, between me ruining her life as a lesbian and her dad ruining her life as this pot smoking hippie, she was pretty unhappy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=4612.55,4660.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So she actually— we actually sent her off to boarding school for a couple years. She went to George School, which was a Quaker school in Pennsylvania, for a couple of years until they kicked her out for breaking the rules. And then so she moved back with us when we moved to New Jersey. For the last couple years of high school she was living with us, with me and Leslie, and she was going to Alateen because even though she didn't have alcoholic parents, it kind of fit the paradigm that she had parents who were giving her problems, and she needed a supportive community. That really worked for her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=4660.53,4697.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Andres on the other hand, even in Princeton, it didn't feel like such a hard thing. It was a sort of different time and a different kind of community, and by the time we—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=4698.79,4710.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And what year is that now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=4710.85,4711.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: So it must have been '90— Well, '93 to '98, and you know, we were going to the Quaker meeting and had that community, and that's, you know, very open and diverse and accepting community. So it was pretty comfortable there, and when the job— What happened was that I was an assistant professor, and when it came up time for tenure, I had actually gotten a contract for my book with Princeton University Press, but the timing was such that I was not world famous, and I was not going to get tenure, and everybody knew it. They hadn't tenured a woman in my department for twenty years or something like that. Either I go on the job market at that point, or I accept their offer to switch from the tenure track to become a senior instructor. So I became a senior instructor for three or four years where I was basically running the pedagogy at the language courses and teaching some undergraduate courses, but no longer doing graduate advising or teaching graduate courses.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=4711.45,4806.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was workable at the time. Princeton had lots of things going for it that I really appreciated, and I was very involved in Canadian studies, and bringing in lots of writers, and doing all— there were resources, amazing financial resources. But then sort of thinking \"Well, you know, I might actually like to be somewhere else and do something else\" when Elise and I were together, and I think we both having lived in Eugene and the Pacific Northwest thought that would be a place we'd really like to go back to. So when the job appeared at U of O in the Romance Languages Department, that looked really good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=4807.93,4850.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I didn't apply to a lot of places. I applied to that, and upstate New York, up near the— Where I'd be doing all my stuff in Montreal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=4852.13,4860.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it was strange to be coming back to a place where I'd been the undergraduate, and you know. We'd both been in Eugene in our twenties, and we were now pushing fifty. But when I got the job we moved— we came out in spring break and found a house and moved out in May of 1998.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=4860.7,4884.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How did Eugene appear to you as different than the intervening years?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=4884.97,4890.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: We used to joke that the same guys were drumming outside city hall on Saturday that had been drumming when we'd been there before. And a lot of it seemed very familiar, you know, it's just like the core of it felt very much the same. The campus felt familiar, you know, I'm back in Friendly Hall, and there was some overlap. I mean Françoise was still teaching when I came back. I got to speak at her retirement when she retired. I was coming back in a relationship with Elise, so it was a different experience with the community, and I think I was— Well it's interesting, because Princeton had— You know, there was a lot going on, and when I was negotiating— Well I didn't really negotiate, but when I was talking about what I would get coming out, I said \"There's going to be benefits for my partner, right?\" And they said \"Well yeah, actually, PEBB has just put through benefits for domestic partners this year,\" and I thought \"Wow, if I'd gotten this job last year, I wouldn't even have had it.\" You could tell things were happening. I was really not— I mean I didn't really know anything about what was happening in Oregon, I hadn't kept up with it. So, you're dropping into the middle of something that had been ongoing that I'd missed that whole chapter and didn't really know what that was. But, through the university I certainly felt that there was— You know, I met you and Mary, I met Amanda and Dianne, I tapped into the women's resource mentoring thing, and Dianne Dugaw was my mentor and sat down with me and talked to me about how to succeed as an assistant professor. Our vet, they were lesbians. There were lesbians everywhere. I meant it was just, you know. And so we put Andres in school, and it felt like a very comfortable place to be bringing up a kid in a sort of an open, natural, un-self- conscious way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=4891.52,5032.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you know other two-mom families?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5033.14,5035.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Yeah. Yeah. Definitely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5035.93,5041.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: On campus, were you involved as a professor in anything that was around gay and lesbian rights on campus?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5041.39,5053.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Some. You know, I did the out thing, where you put something on your door and say that you're out, and I was— Not right away, but I did get on to the task force for gay and lesbian stuff, more a few years into it I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5053.14,5072.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you remember what any of those issues were that they were dealing with?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5073.37,5079.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: A lot of it had to do with sort of support for students. And then later, support for faculty and staff, who seem to have been forgotten in the— you know, everything was focused on the students, and not so much on the faculty and staff. Boy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5079.23,5096.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, I'm not—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5096.67,5099.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you feel visible as a lesbian professor for your students?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5099.98,5106.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Or was it hard to make that clear?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5107.22,5107.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Yeah. I think so, yeah. Yeah. I'm not sure in all the classes whether I was visible as a lesbian or not, but certainly in my engagement with the students themselves, and when they came to my office and stuff. I think my inclusive politics were visible. I'm not sure that the personal part of it was necessarily visible, but not closeted either.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5107.99,5145.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And how was it for you being a professor here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5145.31,5149.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Mostly great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5151.06,5152.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What kind of things did you teach?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5152.19,5154.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: I taught a lot of— I was hired specifically to do Francophone literature, so I did a lot of courses about Canadian and Caribbean Francophone— mostly women writers. Stuff about borders and identity and some courses on autobiography, women's autobiography. I'm mostly teaching women writers in one form or another. At one point in 2000 my mom died, which was a huge thing for me, and sort of influenced both my creative work and my academic work, so I really started working a whole lot on mourning, and memory, and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5155.36,5217.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Were you still writing poetry?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5217.31,5221.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. I kind of stopped through graduate school and then by the time— I really got serious again when I came back to Oregon. It was much harder at both Yale and Princeton to make space for that in my life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5221.38,5238.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Well, you recently retired.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5238.48,5241.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5241.03,5241.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What are you thinking about retirement?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5241.11,5244.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: I love it. I'm the soft retirement, so I'm still teaching one or two courses a year for a couple years, so it doesn't feel so complete as it will when I stop doing that. That's a kind of a— It's a really nice way to wean yourself from what you've putting so much energy into for so long.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5244.22,5267.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you have plans for what you want to—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5267.69,5271.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: I'm writing. I'm spending so much time writing, and I'm putting together another volume of poetry, and I'm doing a lot of literary translation. I've got two big translation projects I'm working on. And then Elise and I are hoping to do some traveling while we still have our minds and bodies in somewhat functioning order.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5271.11,5288.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Is she retired?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5289.02,5289.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: She's semi-retired. She's a homebirth midwife, so she sort of last year stopped taking her own primary clients except in rare cases of repeats, and she's working with another midwife, so she's mostly working as an assistant to another midwife rather, and so— It's hard to plan travel around a midwife's schedule, so you really have to say \"Okay, we're going to do a trip in June, I'm not taking any clients.\" You know, so she has to plan that ahead, but we're feeling a little bit as though we're sort of easing our way into that retirement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5289.88,5326.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Are you thinking about staying in Eugene?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5326.68,5328.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Oh God, I don't know. It's really complicated, and you wish that the kind of vision of some sort of sane collective communal something were within reach because it would make so much sense, but I can't quite wrap my mind around exactly what, or where, or who.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5328.39,5354.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Are you thinking about as you age—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5354.46,5356.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5356.99,5357.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: When you're thinking about that, are you thinking about aging as a lesbian particularly, or in other kinds of community connections?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5359.0,5368.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: I'm not sure I understand the question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5369.47,5371.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: One question is what do you think about aging as a lesbian?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5371.59,5375.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The other question is about your ideas about your living situation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5376.14,5379.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: I think aging as a lesbian doesn't make sense to me, partly because I don't see what difference it would make if I were with a man or a woman at this point, in terms of aging. I think it would make a difference if I didn't have kids. But—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5379.6,5399.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Why?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5399.38,5400.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Well, there's some sense that there's some already some kind of extended family responsibility. Somebody who's going to have to take all those boxes in the garage and decide whether to keep them or throw them out, you know? That's just one worry that's not there. I mean it is there, because why am I leaving all those boxes in the garage for her to have to figure out what to do with, and shouldn't I be getting rid of them, but that's a piece of it. We have really close friends, and I can imagine wanting to be in a community of close friends and maybe a lesbian community, but then every time I'm in a lesbian community, I sometimes find myself thinking \"Oh, I'm not so sure I want to be here.\" Elise and I were both for many years until very recently part of Soromundi, which is wonderful, and really provided us social—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5402.55,5469.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: The lesbian chorus?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5469.63,5471.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: The Lesbian Chorus of Eugene, and it's a wonderful social network. It's gotten very big, which is one of the reasons we're not doing it. I mean it's a hundred people, it's a lot of people to be hanging around, especially if you're not that social all the time. But then I found myself thinking Well I'm not sure— Some of these people I could really comfortably live with, but I couldn't comfortably live with all of them. A lesbian community by definition isn't necessarily where we would be comfortable. I don't know. You know, it's really hard to figure out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5471.26,5509.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And if it were a retirement community that was just a mainstream one, and there weren't very many lesbians, would that be comfortable?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5509.56,5519.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: You know— I mean it would depend on what— I'm sure there are— I mean it's like when I moved my dad out here after Phyllis died, and moved him into the Eugene Hotel, and he was very sick, and he died after six months so he didn't get to benefit from it, but the Eugene Hotel is like okay, this is a place I could imagine he could have been comfortable in a sort of a retirement community, because these are like parents of faculty members, and they read the Nation, and they read books, and they talk about interesting things, and they have interesting liberal politics. I mean there are a lot of pieces of it that would be part of it, including how other people, whether or not they're lesbian, feel about sexuality and all the various issues.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5520.13,5584.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: There's been some talk of lesbians taking over a floor of the Eugene Hotel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5584.54,5588.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Oh really?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5588.4,5589.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5591.24,5595.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: That's a good idea.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5595.16,5595.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: I mean it's interesting to think about people who have had very— have committed much of their lives to communal living and working out different kinds of living situations to be, at this part of their lives, thinking about what makes sense.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5595.36,5608.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5608.64,5609.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And to feel safe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5609.2,5610.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Yeah. Yeah. I mean on one level it's exactly what I think we should be doing, is figuring out with like-minded people that we really would like to spend time near, if not on top of, how we can share resources and support each other, and make a livable last chapter. I've had enough experience of how hard that is, and where it can go wrong. I guess I'm not sure about how to—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5610.41,5651.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: There might be that land in Washington you could go to—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5651.73,5654.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: I don't think so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5654.39,5656.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Is there any topic that we haven't covered that you think would be important to include?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5658.34,5662.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Oh God, I don't know. I don't think so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5662.96,5669.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: We usually ask the last question, and Julee usually asks the last question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5670.99,5676.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Oh, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5676.52,5677.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: If you could imagine a young person now or in the future watching this and listening to you about your life and you have the wisdom of your life, what advice would you give a young person?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5677.97,5688.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: Are you kidding me? Well first I'd say it's okay. Whatever you are thinking and feeling at the time that you're thinking and feeling it, it's okay. Don't stress about it too much. Boy. If I were speaking to my younger self, I would probably urge myself to have more faith in my own thoughts and feelings, and to check in to see how I'm doing. Patience and generosity and probably making sure that you keep the connections with the people around you that reflect back to you the person you want to be. Something like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5689.5,5776.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: That's good advice. Thank you so much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5776.22,5779.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McPherson: You're welcome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5779.87,5779.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yes, thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5779.99,5780.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You were really wonderful, listening to your story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5780.15,5782.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[END OF INTERVIEW]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333#t=5782.25,5783.85"}]},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56123/file/130333/transcript/92595/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/595/original/783_Coll520_do033_aligned.vtt?1776852363","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/595/original/783_Coll520_do033_aligned.vtt?1776852363"}]}]}]}