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She had two younger siblings, a brother and a sister. She describes herself as a tomboy and a \"nerd,\" with an active male alter ego. She enjoyed outdoor activities, was a Girl Scout and attended Camp Timber Tarn in California. She came out at Girl Scout camp, a year after she graduated from high school. She went to the University of California, Berkeley, starting in 1964. She discusses lesbian culture at that time and, despite her lesbian life, she thought that it was perhaps a phase. She went to medical school at the University of Pennsylvania. She married a man who was gay and they lived in Eugene. Together, they had a son, James, who was born in 1976. She practiced medicine in Eugene, first at the University of Oregon Health Center and then in private practice. In 1978, she was elected to the Eugene Water \u0026amp; Electric Board (EWEB). She met her partner Gretchen Miller. She discusses her medical practice and lesbian health issues, including fertilization and sperm banks. She received an M.A. in public health and began working for the Lane County Public Health department. She discusses HIV prevention and the Whitebird drug treatment program. She talks about class issues, health insurance, abortion, and access to medical care. She and her partner Gretchen Miller registered as domestic partners and later were married in Multnomah County in 2004, a marriage the \nstate annulled. She and Gretchen adopted two boys, which changed their involvement with the lesbian community. As a parent of African American children, she discusses racism in the public schools. She talks about the anti-gay political measures in Oregon. At the age of 70, Sarah transitioned to male with medical services supported by the Oregon Health Plan, and changed his first name to Saro. He discusses his experiences as a man, his sexuality, and his marriage. Saro concludes his interview by discussing aging and healthcare issues. \n\nKey terms: Abortion; Alternative insemination; Artificial insemination, Human; Bars (Drinking establishments)  --  California -- San Francisco; Ballot Measure 9; Bills, Jennifer; Butch and femme (Lesbian culture); Daughters of Bilitis; Eugene School District 4J; Flynn, Rebecca; Gender Dysphoria -- Care and Treatment; Internalized homophobia; Lesbian mothers  --  United States; Libido; National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. Eugene Branch; Ordinances, Municipal  --  Oregon -- Eugene; Parenting; Referendum 51; Self-insemination; Transgender people."]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Saro Hendrickson (Interviewee)","Judith L. Raiskin (Interviewer)","Linda Long (Interviewer)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["In Copyright"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["https://scua.uoregon.edu/repositories/2/archival_objects/607010"]}},{"label":{"en":["Type"]},"value":{"en":["Moving Image"]}}],"summary":{"en":["The Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project Collection consists of interviews of 83 people for the Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project, conducted by Professor Judith Raiskin and Curator Linda Long at the University of Oregon starting in the summer of 2018."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["In Copyright"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/029/original/uo-logo-hires.png?1580744881","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/130/318/small/Coll520_do026.jpg?1637164715","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - Coll520_do026.mp4"]},"duration":6589.12,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/130/318/small/Coll520_do026.jpg?1637164715","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-universityoforegonlibraries.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/130/318/original/Coll520_do026.mp4?1637164715","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":6589.12,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["776_Coll520_do026_aligned [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: This interview is part of the Eugene Lesbian oral history project. The recordings will be made available through the University of Oregon Libraries’ Special Collections and University Archives. This is an oral history interview with Saro Hendrickson on August 20, 2018, taking place in the University of Oregon Libraries’ recording studio in the Center for Media and Educational Technologies. The interviewers are Linda Long, Curator of Manuscripts in the UO Libraries’ Special Collections and University Archives and Professor Judith Raiskin of the UO Department of Women's, Gender and Sexuality Studies. Saro, please let us know if you agree to be recorded for this project, and that you give your permission for the university to preserve and make available your recorded and transcribed interview.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=0.05,56.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=56.14,56.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay. Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=56.88,57.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: I do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=57.73,59.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: All right. Let's see. Why don't we just begin with some basic questions? Can you please tell us where you were born, where you grew up and something about your early background?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=60.95,73.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: I was born in Central California, near Davis, California to a university family. I grew up being a tomboy and climbing trees, and riding bicycles, and being a science nerd.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=74.04,87.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=87.59,89.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you have siblings?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=89.43,90.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: I had two younger siblings, both a brother and a sister.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=90.79,93.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And what was your education like when you were young?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=94.4,97.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: When I was young, I went to public school and I had fun with it. I did great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=97.45,101.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you feel part of the crowd?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=101.89,104.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: No, no, no, I was too smart, and too tomboy-ey and too nerdy to do that. But I loved being in the woods, and I loved scouting and backpacking, caving, rock climbing, all the things we could when we got outside.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=104.73,121.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What kind of friends did you have in high school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=121.85,123.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Couple of close women friends and a gang we hung around with that was a small group. My books were my friends.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=123.89,133.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What were you reading then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=133.42,135.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Early on I would read wonderful kid lit escape stories about the pioneer boy who would save the wagon train from whatever danger came along. Science, lots and lots and lots of science.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=136.73,151.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Were you thinking about your sexuality at the time in high school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=151.41,156.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: In later high school, yes. Yes, camp counselors were very attractive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=156.21,161.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What was that experience like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=162.94,164.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Well, as a youngster I always had a guy alter ego, that was the other person, and a good friend of mine reminded me that I was always the boy, and she was the girl who was disguised as a boy when we would go rescue the castle from the evil whatever it was, or play whatever games we were playing. I think sexuality happened late to me. I was pretty, pretty oblivious about sex, I knew about chromosomes, and meiosis, and fertilization, but I didn't get that anything happened in bed besides the sperm sneaking through the sheets somehow into the other occupant. I came out at Girl Scout camp the year after I graduated from high school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=164.17,213.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And what were your feelings about that at the time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=213.61,218.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Overwhelming, and delightful and right. It was the thing to do. She was my first true love and we were together for four years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=218.12,226.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Was that a counselor or was that a—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=226.08,228.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: That was another counselor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=228.24,229.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: I see. So you were a counselor when this happened? When you came out?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=229.62,232.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Yes, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=232.52,233.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And where was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=233.56,234.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: That was— oh, for heaven's sakes, that would be the foothills of California. Camp Timber Tarn.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=234.37,240.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=240.93,241.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: And there were a number of other counselors who in retrospect, were lesbian, too, who would find ways without saying us, to advise us to be more discreet and more careful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=241.85,255.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We, Susie, my lover-companion, and I didn't find any other gay people. We didn't use the “L word” back in the mid '60s. It just— we didn't say, we'd whisper “gay women.” But lesbian kind of that was a clinical word and we didn't use it. This was before, really before active feminism and when bars— I went to graduate— went to undergraduate school at Berkeley, and she was a nursing student in San Francisco. So we spent a lot of time across the Bay Bridge, and found the one lesbian bar in San Francisco, which was— that culture then, there were butches and there were femmes and that's what you had to be one of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=256.41,300.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: So you went to undergraduate school at UC Berkeley?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=300.29,302.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: I did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=302.98,303.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=303.6,303.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: I did. And that decision I made in part at that point because I knew I was weird, lesbian. I didn't want, I'd been accepted at some better schools too, but they were smaller and I was afraid there would be too much light shone on my personal life. So Berkeley was somewhere where I felt I could hide in the midst.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=303.68,324.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay, what year was it when you entered undergraduate school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=324.88,327.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Sixty-four.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=328.13,329.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=329.25,329.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Nineteen sixty-four.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=329.81,331.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So what was the bar, was it Maud’s?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=331.34,332.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Say?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=332.88,333.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was the bar?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=333.58,334.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Wasn't Maud’s, it was the one before Maud’s. It was right up there on the Haight though, across the street from where Maud’s was. It was before softball. I went into the bar across the street when I first tried to— I figured out I was going to go to a bar and I had my ID, and then I had my hat. And I went into the bar and I ordered my scotch and water and chatted with the guy at the bar. And after a good chat and a drink, he said, \"Honey, the girls' bar is across the street.\" He was very, very sweet. That was a long time ago. That was a long time ago.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=334.85,366.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Were you worried about bar raids at the time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=367.3,369.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Say again?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=369.58,370.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Were you worried about bar raids?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=370.23,371.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: No, no. Not at that point and not in San Francisco. Probably I was just being naive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=372.03,379.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And how would you dress when you went to the bar?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=381.61,383.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: A lot like I dress now. Levi's, Levi jacket, cute hat, boots. I had a motorcycle stage in there, too, that was fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=385.34,395.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What did you know about lesbians and what was your attitude about being gay?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=395.82,401.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Well, this is what I was, and those who are my people, and that was how to do it. So it was a wonderful affirmation to be able to go to a restaurant and be asked to taste the wine, and be able to be with my companion as a real couple. But it was hard, it wasn't anything that I could do with anyone else. And the other lesbians that we met tended to be very, very, very paranoid about being involved with anybody other under twenty-one. We went to a Daughters of Bilitis presentation, who were those two wonderful women?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=401.34,437.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Del Martin and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=438.89,440.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Martin and Phyllis Lyon gave a wonderful presentation. And I remember saying, “Oh, here's somebody.” And they would have nothing to do with us. They were rude, they just would not have anything to do with us because we were too young.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=440.27,451.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they were properly afraid for themselves about connecting, being thought of, I guess, connecting with minors, or having some legal hassle. But it was, kind of, ah, this is icky we can't do it. I had, we had some relationships with some high school teachers who were also lesbian, who were in a, in retrospect, kind of unhealthy lifestyle of having affairs with their students and ex-students. And that was interesting, and kind of sexy, and hot, and fun, but it wasn't right. It just didn't feel right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=452.23,492.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Where did the Daughters of Bilitis meet?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=492.23,495.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: They were in San Francisco. This was a presentation that they gave in Berkeley that we went to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=495.57,501.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Were you out to your family at this point?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=502.28,503.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Oh, no. oh, no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=503.79,505.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What was your family like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=505.32,506.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: My family is, oh my family. My family's in their heads, they're wonderful people. My parents are gone now. I had math teacher mother and a historian father, and they were quite supportive of me being a backpacker, a tomboy. But I remember my dad bought me a bottle of perfume, which he gave to me after I'd come back from a particularly smelly backpacking trip. Just sort of like, \"Can't you be a girl darling?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=506.44,534.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Did you ever come out to them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=534.97,537.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Eventually, yeah. When my current partner was pregnant with our second son, we went home and I said something to the effect of “Mom, we need to have a talk.” And she said, \"Oh, dear, you're going to tell me aren't you?\" And then she changed the subject. That was just— we didn't talk about that sort of thing in our family. Respectability was assumed and I would get dressed in the dresses and the— the girls’ stuff for the midsixties when I went to talk to professors, or when I was in the world and I did science things in San Francisco, and got a scholarship to do some cardiac surgery assistant things at Pacific Medical Center, which was really wonderful. But there were two “me's.” There was the one that would dress up to be respectable and then there was the other me that was in the clothes— the jeans I was comfortable with. In retrospect, that was a mistake. It would have been much better to be me, just me from the get-go and forget trying to make other people happy. That thing keeps going through my life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=538.65,605.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Well, it was also probably hard to be a woman in medical—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=605.95,609.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: It was hard to be a woman in science and going into science at that point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=609.28,613.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: How did you dress up as a woman when you did that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=613.72,616.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Blouses and skirts, pantyhose, nice shoes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=617.06,624.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you know you wanted to be a doctor when you were an undergraduate?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=624.18,626.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: I did. Actually, my lover was a nurse and at one point, I thought I was going to be a math teacher. And she said, and I was thinking, well, maybe I could be a nurse. And she said, \"No, no, no, no, you got to be the doctor.\" She knew me too well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=626.96,643.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Why did you think that that role fit you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=643.19,646.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Because I've been bossy all my life. I just know how things are supposed to be done. I used to know how things were supposed to be done, and now I'm finding out how they really are done.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=646.01,655.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: When you were a student at UC Berkeley, did you find any gay community on campus?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=655.86,661.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: There wasn't a gay community. We found a couple of friends, including some wonderful dykes who said they had transcended all that, who hadn't really come out but were.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=661.16,671.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There wasn't the gay community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=673.69,675.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: No, and there wasn't women's studies?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=675.76,677.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: There wasn't anything, no, no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=677.18,679.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Well, it was even before Stonewall.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=680.18,681.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: This is before Stonewall. When I applied to medical school was 1968 and the Civil Rights Act that let women into higher education was 1970. And when I was admitted to medical school, we had some connection with the University of Washington where I had also applied. My dad had a professor friend who walked over to the med school and said, \"What about Sally?\" I was Sally then, \"What about Sally's application? What's going on here?\" I still think they wanted to see me go all the way to the east coast, which was where I did go. I'm gesturing all over the places, is that going to be okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=681.81,720.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: It's okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=720.59,722.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: And the response was, \"Oh, her record is fine, she's got superb scores and all that.\" I was good at being smart, that was— I'd always been good at a test results. \"But, we've met our quota for girls.\" That was it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=723.03,738.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: I wonder what that quota was?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=738.82,740.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Well, it wasn't very many. I went to the University of Pennsylvania where there were nine women admitted out of a class of 150.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=740.2,748.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: So, just to go back for a second, what did you study at Berkeley? What did you get your degree?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=749.44,756.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: I was a biologist. I—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=756.3,758.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And so what was that experience like being one of nine in 150?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=760.19,767.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Was complicated for me by that time because I was trying to be straight. My girlfriend had fallen in love with an Irishman on our trip to Europe after college, and I was thinking, maybe this was a phase and can I really be a real doctor and be lesbian the way I thought you had to be to be? Well, to be a gay woman. We were hardly ever saying “lesbian” at that point, although there was a little bit of women's movement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=768.36,793.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I was so busy dealing with microbiology, that I missed it. I missed a lot of it. I remember being criticized for, by some of my women classmates, for objecting to nudie slides as part of the orthopedics lecture. I didn't think that was right that they should have Playboy pinups to show you what the hip looked like. And I told the professor so, and my colleague said, \"Oh no, no, no, no, you will get a reputation for losing our sense of humor.\" And I had lost mine long before but, it was hard, it was hard. It was hard to be straight because I wasn't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=794.04,832.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you have relationships or find other gay people in medical school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=833.04,838.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: No, no. I don't know that there were any. There weren't many women, there were two women I can remember who served as mentors for the women medical students, one of whom was actually a real snob, and the other one just really needed lots of people to like her. So it was hard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=838.93,862.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Was that a lonely time for you then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=862.37,862.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Pardon?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=863.01,863.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Was that a lonely time for you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=863.95,865.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: It was kind of lonely and kind of crazy, and I did medical student-ing and I went hiking on the Appalachian Trail, and found the Pine Barrens, and then I came back to Oregon, and found a husband. I figured, okay find a husband, he's a graduate student, this is right, this will make my life right. I won't have to do that anymore. Ha!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=865.37,882.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Can we just pause for a second, I think—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=883.68,885.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: You want to pause for a moment to figure out—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=885.49,886.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yeah, just for clarification, when you said that perhaps you were going through a phase, was that a phase of being a lesbian? Did you think you could be straight?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=886.97,897.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: I thought I could be, I really thought I could be straight and that that was the only way to be in the world, and that lesbian was just too weird.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=898.57,906.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=907.19,907.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Listen to me, I mean it's kind of shameful to admit to because it's a— Well, internalized homophobia is incredibly powerful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=907.51,918.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And internalized respectability, I think is powerful in the same way. Respectability and classism, because I'm going to talk a little about classism and class stuff later because I've been thinking about classism as one of the themes here. The way we get raised to assume that there's only one way of being how we were raised. And then how do we unlearn that as a process? 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Had a terrible first year medical school, drove back to the West Coast, wanted to find the West Coast, visited my brother who was going to school here, met my ex-husband here in Eugene on that trip. And then we courted each other across the country, and up and down to California, and ended up being married for ten years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=964.43,988.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you know that Eugene had a sizable lesbian community when you came here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=988.89,994.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Nah. I don't— did it in 1969?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=994.14,997.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Maybe not?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=998.02,1001.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Well, no, it was developing at that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1001.15,1003.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1003.56,1003.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yeah. Yeah. Because we have interviewed some people who were students at UO at that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1003.89,1011.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1011.11,1011.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1011.42,1011.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: There were lots of hippies, it was a very comfortable place to be. It was the West Coast, it wasn't the East Coast, and I was definitely somebody who wanted mountains and the West.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1011.82,1025.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So how did you continue your studies?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1025.43,1032.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: How did I get to?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1032.16,1034.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How did you continue your education?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1034.23,1036.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: We went back to Philadelphia and I finished medical school and postgraduate training there. And then we eventually got back to Eugene.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1036.72,1046.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What did your husband do?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1047.27,1048.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: He was a sociologist. He studied health sociology, and numbers. And he had been gay so we figured that would lend an interesting understanding to the relationship, and what it did was doom the sexual relationship it was just, just didn't work. But we got a baby out of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1048.36,1067.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So, you married knowing that each other had a gay history?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1067.78,1074.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1074.07,1074.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And did that help you understand each other, if not sexually, in other ways?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1074.54,1079.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: I don't know if I could ever understand that guy, I just don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1080.09,1083.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And so you decided to have a child together?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1083.74,1090.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: We had— that's what you're supposed to do, you get married and you have your two point some kids, so. We had James who was born in Eugene in 1974. After I had come back to Eugene and was working, I worked initially for medical practices as a fill-in person and then got a job at the University of Oregon Health Center when I was pregnant with Jamers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1090.02,1119.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The University Health Center was where I first encountered Eugene's lesbian community, largely through meeting the law student group, you're probably talking to several of them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1121.26,1131.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What I was told was that my name was on the bathroom wall, in the women's bathroom in the Law School as the go-to-see person at the University Health Center for women's health problems. I was one of only two women physicians there at the time, and the only young one. Lots of chit chat, lots of talks, lots of getting to know these folks, no self-awareness whatsoever about what was going on, but I really liked the lesbian law students that I had as patients, and got to know some of them very well. And, then when they weren't patients, got to know several couples, and their friends, and their law student friends. Timing. Took me a long time to figure this out. Would have been '76 not '74 that I had James.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1132.96,1186.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Seventy-six?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1186.67,1187.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: It was '76 because he was four. And we, Leslie, my husband, and I would go camping with these lovely lesbian couples and we'd have great times, and we'd stay up around the campfire and just have a great time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1187.59,1205.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: It's sounding as if the lesbian law students had some awareness of you at a time when you—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1206.36,1215.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Had no awareness of me. Yeah, that's very possible. I ran for and was elected to the EWEB Board in 1978. My husband had been elected to the LCC Board at that point, and the local Democrats were hunting for somebody who was electable to replace an older guy who they didn't think was progressive enough. And they said, \"Oh, come on, come on, you can run, you can run.\" So there's that history of that campaign. In the meantime, Gretchen Miller had run for the Eugene City Council and was a Eugene city councilor. She was also with a, not husband but, essentially a husband of ten years. 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And—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1276.53,1290.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And what year was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1290.76,1291.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: There we were. That was 1980.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1291.69,1293.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: 1980.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1293.23,1293.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you remember the dream specifically?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1293.37,1295.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: It was a dream, it was a very erotic, very sexual dream, and it was a real, oh, and life changed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1295.75,1303.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And how did that feel, that recognition?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1303.86,1305.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Well, it was there. It was very real, it was very true, it was very present. There's another dream coming up in the story, too. I seem to— my subconscious bubbles up that way. I'm not sure I really have great access to it otherwise, but that's how it bubbles. In 1980, things had changed a bunch in Eugene, there was a gay community, there was a gay bar there. The Riv was there. I remember going to the Riv with a couple of lesbian friends and coming out as an ex-lesbian to them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1305.82,1348.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Coming out as an ex-lesbian, what do you mean?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1348.9,1351.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Well sharing with them my previous history of having been with Susan, and having been in gay bars in San Francisco, and having had that life before trying to be straight.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1352.3,1363.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So that's the Riviera Room.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1363.31,1365.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: That was the Riv.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1365.75,1366.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you describe that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1366.63,1367.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Dark, bary, classic, just absolutely classic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1368.0,1373.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How did you feel compared to your experience in San Francisco when you were earlier in a gay bar?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1373.4,1379.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: It was a gay bar, it was comfortable, people were drinking.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1379.65,1382.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Was it a— Let's just it was a gay bar, not just lesbian bar? Or did the lesbians—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1383.53,1387.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: You know I don't know, I didn't spend enough time at the Riv to know you know, you got to talk to somebody who spent more time there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1387.68,1394.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: I think Thursdays, somebody said Thursdays was the lesbian day. Something like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1394.14,1398.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: That's what we've heard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1398.08,1398.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: I'm not a, I'm sort of more a camping trip lesbian than a bar lesbian.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1398.81,1405.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you remember the ballot measure about anti discrimination, about gays and lesbians in—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1405.64,1414.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: In Eugene, the one in the late '80s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1414.45,1416.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: No the—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1416.75,1417.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: No late '70s, sorry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1417.72,1418.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Late '70s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1418.61,1420.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: It was late '70s, it was a local—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1420.86,1422.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Fifty-one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1422.13,1422.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: —Ordinance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1422.85,1422.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Referendum 51.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1422.97,1423.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Yeah. And I remember supporting Referendum 51, I remember being kind of afraid to support it too much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1423.9,1430.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because that might mean I was one of those people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1431.14,1432.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1432.73,1434.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: That's that same shameful lesbian phobia, the homophobia making itself work. I spent way too much time and energy trying to be respectable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1434.18,1445.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: As a doctor, did you notice lesbians coming to you specifically to be their practitioner?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1450.23,1459.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Yes. Yeah, I got to be the doctor for a whole bunch of lesbians.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1459.27,1467.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It happened— when I was at the University Health Center, definitely from the Law School and that Law School group. I then moved away from that after the birth of James to the Lane Community College Health Center where I was their physician for a while. They were trying to do a health center that was much more student oriented, and individual. That was at the very beginning of medicine as supposed to be paying attention to the patient as a whole person, and we're supposed to think about who they are other than just as their parts. And LCC's then director had been making an effort— she had hired some of the very first nurse practitioners in Oregon, to work at the Lane Health Center. And it seemed exciting, it seemed exciting and interesting. I ended up getting fired from that job because I was vociferously in support of one of the nurse practitioners who got herself cross-ways with the director. And there's that— you can do something with this tablecloth. There's a lovely historical piece, the front of the LCC student newspaper that says, \"Health Center doctor fired.\" And it's got a picture of me with a big broad smile. 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And—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1553.16,1573.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: That brings me to a question that I had wanted to ask. When lesbian patients came to you, what were their issues that they wanted to— what were their health issues that they brought to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1573.33,1585.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: When we were of that age our issues were simply getting a respectable and respectful pap smear. Understanding breast self-exam, understanding contraception, we didn't think a whole lot about prevention of sexually transmitted diseases, STIs at that point. It was more a matter of education and respect. This is me, this is my stuff. Finding a physician, I think just being a doc who would talk to people. A woman doctor who would talk to woman people about what was going on, it became, when was Our Bodies Ourselves? That was midseventies, that first wonderful newsprint version, and I remember having that in the office. So, right after getting fired from LCC I opened— we opened a private practice in the downtown medical building with the nurse practitioners and the lab tech, and another staff member from the— several other staff members from the LCC clinic. We just kind of moved from the Lane campus to downtown. And the practice was full in three months. It was something that was really needed, I think in Eugene at that point. And we took care of lesbians, and we took care of mothers, and we took care of old ladies, and we took care of all kinds of folks. From babies to grandparents. That was the golden days of medicine too, because we could charge $12 for an office visit, and folks weren't still being kept from medicine because of the costs and accessibility in the same way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1585.66,1683.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Where was that office?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1683.81,1684.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: That was downtown. In the medical center building that's right next to what used to be Quackenbush’s which is now J.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1684.84,1691.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Michaels Bookstore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1691.21,1692.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yeah, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1692.15,1692.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Yeah, upstairs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1692.96,1693.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: On Broadway?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1693.31,1693.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Yeah. And I was there for almost three years. And we did lots of general medicine, I started doing abortions at that point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1693.86,1702.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We had a gynecologist with a nearby office who helped me learn to do pregnancy terminations. We hadn't started making babies yet, that was in the early '80s, but the late '70s. It was clear that when I would refer my patients who had pregnancies that needed to not continue, that they weren't getting good care. That they were going to the couple of guys out in Bethel who just did it to make a lot of money doing it, or gynecologists who would be [grouchy mumbling]. And it felt good to be able to provide a service in a supportive way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1704.01,1742.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Just what needed to happen. That was a great office, that was a lot of fun. We traded, I think I traded for more hand thrown pottery cups whose handles fell off in the first week than you can possibly imagine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1744.38,1760.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What was the business called?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1760.56,1761.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Sarah S. Hendrickson, MD.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1762.79,1764.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1764.6,1765.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: P.C.— alphabet soup.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1765.11,1768.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So this was before you came out again?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1769.27,1770.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: That was before I came out again that we set up that practice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1770.87,1774.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At the end of the '70s, I set up a practice with Tom Jefferson and Scott Halpert, two family docs who were known in the community for being flexible, and comfortable, and had had individual offices, had worked for the community health centers, had the right politics. And the three of us bought the building at 572 W. Eleventh and converted that to a clinic for the three of us, and we practice there for the next twelve years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1775.4,1809.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was West Side Medical Associates.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1811.71,1813.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So there's a lot happening in this time. You move from Lane Community College to this other practice. You—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1813.85,1822.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Got a practice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1822.98,1823.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: —some time in there dissolved your marriage and, have a baby and dissolved the marriage.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1823.77,1828.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1828.17,1828.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you talk a little bit about your family life and what was happening as you were also doing these professional changes?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1828.51,1834.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: I would come home and be a mother and a wife and just do what needed to be done, and I wasn't aware that there were a lot of changes happening in my family life, until I fell thoroughly in love with Gretchen and realized I wasn't going to do that anymore. I was doing— being a wife and mother, and doctor, just because that's what you did. That was a job and that's what I did, we did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1835.29,1862.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What year was it when you fell in love with Gretchen?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1862.26,1864.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: '80.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1864.86,1864.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: 1980.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1864.93,1865.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: 1980.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1865.57,1866.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And how did the divorce go?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1866.99,1869.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Very straightforwardly. I think, in retrospect. Divorces are never easy but, except for the fact that he was very rigid and wouldn't accept anything other than 50/50 absolutely right down the middle and it was okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1869.3,1888.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And custody of James?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1888.48,1890.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Custody of James was joint custody, it's one of the early joint custodies, we didn't argue for other financial support. In retrospect it went really well given the stories I've heard. At the time it seemed like it was difficult but— Is that okay? this thing it has a mind of its own.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1890.53,1909.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So in retrospect, you think it went smoothly, and the—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1912.07,1920.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: The dissolution— I moved into the basement. We were living in an old house on the west side where we still live, and still lived until this year. And I moved down into the basement and waited for Les to move out. He had kind of a wandering eye and had had several other sexual affairs while we were married, so I didn't feel as if I was leaving him in the lurch particularly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1920.51,1945.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And did he identify as gay again?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1945.29,1947.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1947.03,1947.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: No?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1947.38,1947.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Not that I know of. He's had three wives since then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1947.97,1954.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And so now you opened your own practice on West Eleventh—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1954.24,1960.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: So I opened my practice with— my own practice was downtown so I had a practice, then I combined with Tom and Scott, and we were in West Side Medical Associates on West Eleventh. And for those next ten years I was a doctor, and Gretchen's lover, and the father of, father— listen to me. See gendering is funny and I miss gender myself and all kinds of ways, going in all kinds of directions; parent of James.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1960.12,1990.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gretchen moved in with me eventually, although there was a problem with her being elected to the City Council from Riverview Street in the other side of town and being concerned about not living in her district. So she had to live in her district and I lived in my corner. So there was a certain amount of commuting between the basement and Riverside Street and it—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=1991.79,2012.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Was she concerned about—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2012.9,2015.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: But it was happiness.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2015.82,2016.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Was she concerned about being out—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2016.36,2017.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Oh, not at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2017.98,2019.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Not at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2019.21,2019.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Not at all, she's much less concerned about what other people think than I do, to her credit, to her credit. So what happened after 1980? It took about a year to settle down, and practice, being in a private practice in those days with being on call every third night, just has a rhythm of its own, which like a very, any other very intense job kind of pulls you, pulled me through those months and year, you just do that. We were still remodeling the offices. Actually, the change to the offices from downtown to West Side was the change from being married to a guy, to being with Gretchen. The two pieces came through at the same time. What was happening politically at that point?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2019.5,2069.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I was going to board meetings, and she was going to city council meetings, and Gretchen got to be mayor for a while when the mayor went off to do something else.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2072.05,2080.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: She was acting mayor?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2081.5,2082.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: She was acting mayor for six months. So I'm married to the woman who used to be the acting mayor of Eugene for what glory that carries.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2082.6,2092.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: So Referendum 51 was—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2092.26,2094.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Fifty-one was before my coming, entirely before my coming out with Gretchen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2094.32,2100.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay, so that was 1978. So that—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2100.6,2102.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: That was 1978. And I remember it happening, and I remember supporting it, and again, not supporting it really, really as much as I should have in retrospect.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2102.75,2113.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So I'm thinking now you're an out lesbian physician.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2113.34,2120.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2120.38,2120.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And as you say, many lesbians in Eugene start seeing you as their doctor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2121.01,2126.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Yeah. They were doing that already before I came out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2126.22,2129.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And you speak about the women needing respectful treatment, and I'm wondering whether you heard from lesbians about their hesitancy to see other kinds of doctors and why. Either men or even straight women. What their experience as lesbians in the medical field is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2129.95,2150.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: I heard an awful lot of stories about people's difficult experiences with other doctors, no matter who they were, across the board. Yes, I would hear stories of disrespectful treatment from physicians. In specific— I would hear the story that if someone said they— if a woman told her physician that she didn't need birth control, she would be aggressively asked why and then given birth control anyway, because that was a phase, or that wasn't something that they could really know about themselves, or they needed birth control. My impression was that mostly lesbians didn't come out to their physicians, and their other health providers. It just wasn't a safe thing to do so they didn't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2150.66,2208.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And they did with you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2208.22,2209.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: They would with me. But I heard a lot of stories that I don't think other doctors got to hear. Not specifically the sexual minority stories, although those were there. I got to know that group of lesbians in Eugene who were already having turkey baster babies by themselves, and in their own way. So really, I stood on the shoulders of some real pioneer gals who were doing what needed to be done early on, without any help from me. And my attraction I guess, was that I had— when we started making babies, which would be probably early '80s sometime, started helping women get their babies made, was that we had access to sperm banks and medical care, and that sort of stuff that you don't always get with the turkey basters.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2210.14,2267.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you tell us a little bit about that? About the boom in lesbian babies that—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2267.03,2272.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: The boom in lesbian babies. Think back to dates, and you guys are going to have to come up with the dates. Alexi, who's our second son, was born in 1984, and he was, he is a lesbian— When he was in middle school, he liked to dance around and say he was an immaculate conception and he would tell, he's that kind of kid. He is Gretchen's biological child by a known donor insemination in my office. And I— the process was fairly straightforward that I sent out the word that I was hunting for donors, and would do exams, and use live, honest-to-golly guys before we started using sperm banks and used the sperm bank in San Francisco as well as in L.A. Before Alexi, so it would have been early '80s. I made connection with a lesbian physician in Portland, who is an obstetrician- gynecologist, who gave me a great deal of help with techniques and connections, and how to get from here to there. 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And yes, we tested everybody, and we were very upset, and we quit using gay donors just for that reason.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2353.39,2365.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Were you also treating patients with HIV?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2365.92,2371.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Yes, yes. This was early on in HIV, and we didn't know what we were doing. We just had no idea. There were a couple of physicians in Eugene who had patients before I did. I don't think any of our patients got the best treatment until there were enough cases that we knew what needed to be done.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2371.33,2394.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And as the disease, and the knowledge about the disease expanded, both the biology and the sociology of what was going on with the HIV epidemic became much, much more serious. We did lots of testing, lots of counseling.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2396.35,2415.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Were you affiliated with the HIV Alliance? I don't know when that started.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2415.86,2420.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Oh, yes. The HIV Alliance started early on, there were actually two sisters from the Sisters of St. Joseph of Peace at the hospital who were very active with early HIV activism, and condom distribution. And they were funny they were just, they were right on, right on women. They’re somebody else who's shoulders I got to boost myself up on. And I can't remember their names but I think someone who knows the sisters could probably remember. But they got Sacred Heart early on to contribute to disease prevention, and condom distribution. Planned Parenthood as well, and I spent a while early on being medical director for Eugene/Springfield's Planned Parenthood. That would have been in the '70s and that was another connection that I had to be able to work with, with HIV prevention, understanding, demystification, de- awfulization.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2420.08,2482.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Could you tell us a little about parenting? So now you've got two kids—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2483.18,2488.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Parenting. Now, we now have three, we have we have James from me, from when I was married. We have Alexi from Gretchen in '84 from a known donor, and we have, we tried hard to get me pregnant again for about four years, and that didn't work. So, Douglass came home from Texas after a long and complicated adoption story in 1988. And he is our, oh, here, we go again. May I put this piece up? That seems to be the—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2488.93,2523.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2523.48,2523.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Douglass came home as an infant from Texas in '88. So we have three boys, and somehow we ended up with boys.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2523.64,2533.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Adoption is a whole other story and that one is interesting, and has interlinkings with the fundamentalist community which is that every ovum is a soul, and it just gets kind of weird. But we were very lucky, our adoption social worker knew about our situation with Gretchen and Sarah and the two boys. She wrote her home study as if it were just me because we adopted through the agency PLAN, which— Plan Loving Adoptions now, very Christian, very, very concerned.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2535.02,2570.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But they were the only agency in Oregon that would adopt to single women at that point, there wasn't any other legal adoption available.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2570.49,2580.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So you needed to be closeted as you did it, but you had a social worker who knew the ins and outs—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2580.41,2585.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2585.54,2585.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: —To help you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2585.96,2586.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: That was a very— that was like going back into the closet again to do that. And emotionally it was a little icky, but we got Douglass, so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2586.12,2594.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: So you were the person to legally adopt.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2594.4,2595.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: I was the person who went to the 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Initially.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2598.5,2598.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yeah, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2598.58,2599.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: And then then from that point on, and with Alexi, we did all the legal stuff and the guardianships, and having the passports ready to leave town if we needed to at any point, because we just set up the fail safes and the 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Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2621.09,2621.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And wrote it up in a positive way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2621.51,2623.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2623.78,2624.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yes, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2624.52,2625.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was your fear about needing to leave?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2625.64,2629.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: That somebody would come for the kids. That we would lose our children. I think that was the biggest fear. I don't know whether, I think it probably wasn't a realistic fear.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2629.5,2639.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And we're coming up to Measure 8 was in, from 1987 to '88.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2639.71,2648.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that coincided with—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2649.01,2650.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: '87 to '88 coincided with the adoption.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2650.02,2652.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: —The adoption of Douglass.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2652.77,2653.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So it's not surprising that you felt threatened given the kind of language that was being used?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2653.88,2659.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: [Mumbling]. But, and life was going on and we were still being a doctor, and a lawyer, and living in a big house and raising these kids who— raising kids is not easy. Raising kids is harder than anybody could possibly ever imagine. And it is— you get what you need, but you don't necessarily get what you expected. And it's been good for us, geez it's been good for us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2659.39,2687.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Is Douglass white or black?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2687.7,2691.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Douglass is very black. We did not think we were going to be in— we didn't start out thinking, Oh, we'll adopt a black baby.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2691.17,2698.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think my parents at one point told me they were afraid I'd come home married to a black man to make a point. Because I was that kind of kid.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2699.8,2707.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: How did it turn out that you adopted an African American baby?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2708.35,2712.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Our initial— my initial adoption with an overseas adoption agency placed me with a child who was described as having major developmental delays. My sister had just had a child with congenital heart disease, and she said— she told me quite clearly that it's something you cope with if you cope with, but if you have a choice, don't do it. And we said, \"I don't think this is the right child for my family.\" The agency, in their inimitable way decided that I was the devil incarnate for not loving all children, rah, rah, rah, rah. Adoption people have a lot of love, they really do. And they have a lot of— they can make it over completely insurmountable obstacles. But I just couldn't imagine it. So there was a bit of this, and Douglass came to us because his adoption in Oregon, to an Oregon family, had failed for some other reason, and the adoption agency had him and wanted to know if we were interested. And it—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2712.63,2774.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Was he already in Oregon at that time then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2774.64,2776.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: No, but he had been placed— PLAN was dealing with his placement and PLAN was the Oregon agency.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2776.6,2783.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2784.28,2785.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Adoption stories just go all over the place with hurrah and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2785.03,2789.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yeah. What was the agency in Texas?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2789.29,2791.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Agape. Agape. He had been born to a fourteen-year-old Texan mother, and fostered by a gaggle of blonde teenagers in a home in Texas, and he's loved blonde teenagers. Anyway, and I flew down to get him when he was six weeks old.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2791.22,2812.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Did PLAN talk about— well, can you describe how PLAN talked about race?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2816.27,2823.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: They didn't. PLAN talked about adoption, whether it was race or physical problems, or mental distress, or older children, or hard to adopt parents, it was all just the obstacles that are put in front of you by God in order to surmount them with love.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2823.6,2843.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that's just how they dealt with it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2844.34,2846.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: But they were opposed to adopting to lesbians or gay men?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2846.05,2850.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Yes. Oh, yes, that just wasn't— But that was never explicit. It was just, it was part of the assumed background, it was important not to be lesbian. When we adopted Douglass by '88, open adoption was beginning to have some same-sex couples offering to adopt. And I don't know what their success was like. I know that there was one lesbian couple from Northern Oregon who had been on their list for years, and hadn't had a birth mother choose them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2851.49,2884.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So you're raising three boys. What was the school— your relationship with teachers and the school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2887.85,2895.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Oh, school teachers, raising the kids. Let me just back up one little bit. Having boy children made it more difficult for us to be part of the lesbian society that was happening. The groups, the folks, country gatherings, music festivals— you can't take your kids because they're boys. And Gretchen and I had lives that were pretty immersed in the straight communities that we were part of when we came together. So, we weren't real good lesbian community members, we were there and supportive, but I don't think we ever felt quite as much of the community as we might have. We did have bib overalls though, and I think at some point we wore them. But, what was it like having the kids? We sent the— the boys when they were little went to progressive preschools, and I think, Unity School, for example. And they were happy to have us. There wasn't a problem at all. They were happy to have a little black boy in their school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2895.61,2970.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Both the younger boys went to the Spanish bilingual program, which was over in Coburg Road, which is a little more conservative, I think. But our approach was simply to be polite and assume that everyone was going to be polite. And if they weren't going to be polite to us, that was just their problem, not ours. Alexi, who's the one who liked to have the immaculate conception has always been an in your face kind of guy, and he's had no problem with it. Douglass, I think had to deal with as much racism as homophobia. I'm sure they weren't invited to birthday parties, but they had each other to say, \"We didn't want to get invited to that birthday party anyway.\" And we never ran into anything majorly icky. I imagine there was a lot of major ickiness happening around here, but we made like we didn't hear it. We never had to deal with overt problems.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=2970.9,3030.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The most overt discrimination that we experienced was in Eugene's black community, who wanted nothing to do with us even though we had had Douglass. We tried connecting with the NAACP, and we tried going to a couple of black churches, and it was quite clear that we weren't going to be welcome back. Never, never explicitly and in so many words, but we never got called when we put our names down on the volunteer lists, and it was just— and at one point the NAACP went through the nonsense of making sure that only one person in the household was the real member, and if you weren't married, then you had to pay for two memberships and it was just— Gretchen was in the late '80s, early '90s was on the Eugene Human Rights Commission as a kind of an outgrowth of the city council work that she'd done. And she's really very much calmer than I am, and very much less reactive, and quite capable of chairing meetings with opposing vociferous viewpoints.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3030.76,3091.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they went to Sheldon High School as part of a school anti-racism, anti-gay bias effort that happened as a settlement from a school court case, you should ask her those questions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3092.36,3109.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do we need to hurry up? You keep looking at your watch?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3109.51,3111.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3111.96,3112.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3112.53,3112.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: She's just marking down when you say something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3112.94,3114.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Okay, that won't hurt.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3114.72,3115.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And could you scoot forward a little bit into the light?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3115.62,3117.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/299","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Sure, sure. I just keep wanting this tablecloth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3117.63,3122.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/300","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: It's the cloth that's the problem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3122.79,3124.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: And the then principal, vice principal at Sheldon who was Arabella [Abrella] Luvert, and I don't know much about, if you know much about politics around here, but she was the wife of “Mr. NAACP” for about twenty years. Very, very devoted community members, strong black community activists with a very strong conviction that homosexuality was wrong. They were good, respectable folks. And her response was that there weren't any gay students at Sheldon because they would know. \"We know all our children, we don't have any gay students. It simply isn't an issue for us.\" So, I think that was where we saw the most overt rejection. My professional colleagues, to their credit, when I came to Eugene as a woman physician, there were groups of physicians, even your old-conservative-Republican-kind of doctor surgeons who treated me as a colleague and treated me very professionally, and correctly. And after I came out, they continued to treat me professionally and correctly. But I was also very careful that it never became an issue. I don't know. I was their colleague, and that's how we functioned. So, I guess I was lucky, I think if I had experienced more overt in-my-face problems I would have been noisier. And again I was busy, and maybe a little bit hesitant, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3124.91,3217.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Were you involved with the ballot measures? Ballot Measure 8 and Ballot Measure 9?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3218.28,3223.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/303","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Ballot Measure 9, yes, we were very involved in 9. I think with 8 we had babies happening.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3224.08,3231.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/304","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you remember what it was like that Measure 9, within the community?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3231.05,3237.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: I remember Measure 9, it seemed as if there was a— maybe because we had finally become seriously involved in the political activity, there seemed to be more hope and energy that we were actually fighting the fight that needed to be done, rather than having it being fought at us. Douglass’ first words that he ever read were at a rally and he was looking up at the sign and he said, \"Mom, mom, that says, ‘No on 9’.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3237.66,3264.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And so you were not so involved with the lesbian community because of your professional life, because of not being feeling accepted in the lesbian community, did the political—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3265.97,3281.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/307","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Just the boys.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3281.53,3282.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/308","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Just the boys. Did you have support of lesbians in the community?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3282.48,3287.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/309","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: I think so. I never felt nonsupport.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3287.59,3289.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/310","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you have social activities with other lesbians in the community?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3289.25,3293.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/311","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Yeah. We've had good lesbian friends for a long time, mostly lawyers. Gretchen had her group of lesbian lawyers whom you will be meeting a whole bunch of. And there weren't any, there weren't even other women doctors hardly in Eugene.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3294.6,3313.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/312","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was Emily Fergus, who was an older nephrologist, who is very supportive and delightful, and two psychiatrists. And there weren't any other women physicians until about the mid-eighties, and I don't think lesbian physicians— that I don't know them. They didn't seem to think— that connection didn't get made. Always lots of— the lesbian friends we had were good, we were happy, we weren't feeling the loss of community. Although I did find the National Lesbian Doctors group that call themselves The Women in Medicine in '84, the year Lexi was born.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3313.22,3356.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/313","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gretchen had said, \"Look, I've got the lawyers, you need to go talk to the doctors,\" and I did. And that was a great support for us when we had the kids, and during the '80s and early '90s. We went to most of their yearly meetings here, there and everywhere, and had a wonderful time. Alexi, the in-your-face guy— you know, in Eugene the middle school students do a heritage project and there's a cultural fair, and, you know, my Slavic grandmother's quilts, or my musical history. And he did— his idea— “My intentional Gay and Lesbian Family.” So he had us and the two gay guys who were living in the garage apartment next to our house, who were wonderful, wonderful friends, and who taught Alexi how to ski, and just connected with us. And Lex did this thing and— what was the paper at that point? The—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3356.45,3409.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/314","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: The Register?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3410.33,3411.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/315","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: —queer paper. No, no it wasn't the Register Guard it was—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3411.02,3413.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/316","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: The Lavender Network?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3413.71,3415.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Wasn't Lavender and it was gay and lesbian together. He got an article in that little newsprint thing, and the bus driver recognized him and he just thought this was great. But he and his buddy, there's Monroe Middle School, which is where the Spanish program went was— yeah, Lexi did have a little bit of trouble— well, kind of conservative. And the jocks would usually hang out under the cedar tree in the front waiting for the buses or whatever, because that was the only dry place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3416.05,3448.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Lex and his buddy at that point would hold hands and sidle up to underneath the tree, and all the jocks would disappear and they'd get to stay dry. So, he organized that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3448.85,3461.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/319","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was also the year where he was being— he had long hair and was just very, very middle school, God, he was in your face. He's wonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3461.69,3471.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was being teased in the classroom and the teacher moved him to a different table. And Gretchen, who was doing the school thing at the time went to talk to the teacher and said, \"Yeah, what about this? And isn't this a wonderful teaching opportunity? Can't we use this as an opportunity in the classroom?\" The teacher's response was, \"That's in the curriculum for next year.\" But Lex, I don't think he was ever harmed any.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3472.63,3503.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3504.58,3504.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: It sort of—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3504.8,3506.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/323","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: You know, this is a background question, but I don't think we ever clarified what you specialized in in medical school, was it gynecology?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3508.71,3517.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: I specialized in family medicine, partly because I was really tired of the east coast and didn't want to stay there for further training, partly because I thought it was good work. And I don't think I made that decision within any sexual minority stuff, except that family medicine was a good thing to be in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3517.56,3538.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Family medicine was just becoming a specialty in those years, you could be a specialized GP and get board certification, and take exams and pay more monies, and have more letters after your name.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3541.05,3555.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What did you do after the private practice on West Eleventh?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3555.17,3559.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/327","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Private practice on West Eleventh. I left that in the early '90s for just lots of reasons. Family growing apart, this that and the other. Gretchen went back to work full time, I got to be the half timer. I did fill ins, locum tenens work. I did— I was appointed— I was lucky enough to be appointed for a term to the Oregon Board of Medical Examiners, the licensing and disciplinary board for docs and Pas—physician's assistants— acupuncturists in Oregon during Barbara Roberts' gubernatorial term because Barbara ran— you recall was elected with a lot of help from the gay and lesbian community, and with absolutely no help from the Oregon Medical Association. And so it's to say “nyeh” to the Oregon Medical Association, which I had not joined, and wasn't an AMA member for all the proper political reasons, as they were a bunch of conservative so and so's. Although they've all come around remarkably to be legitimate activists for the right causes. I was able to be appointed to the board for a term. And then we got a new— we got Kitzhaber, and he appointed somebody else, thank goodness because it was exhausting work. But that was fascinating. We didn't run into gay and lesbian work— there was a gay physician who'd also been— Jim Samson, from Portland, who'd been appointed to the board at the same time. And there was only one case I can remember of a gay doc who had been accused by a patient of inappropriate behavior, and it was treated just like every other case. And he hadn't been real careful with his boundaries, but it wasn't predatory. Side comment: when I was appointed to the board, one of those older docs that I'd known for ages, I had called up because he was an LMA guy, and I wanted to kind of mend some of my background with him. He said, \"Oh, Sarah,\" he said, \"you will just be amazed at what you see at the board.\" And I thought he's being condescending, and saying, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3560.29,3690.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/328","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I went to the board and I was just amazed at what I saw in terms of stupid people with otherwise intelligent brains doing incredible things. Road rage, violations of boundaries, violations of sexual boundaries all over the place, it just— And that was a period where we were starting— we as a profession were starting to be real clear about boundaries which is, “Thou shalt not fish off the company dock.” You just do not have sex with your patients. And that was a major cultural shift for a lot of doctors to accommodate to and I'm glad we did it, needed to be done.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3691.02,3731.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/329","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You had referred to another dream that you had.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3731.96,3736.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/330","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Oh, the other dream. The other dream is my post retirement dream of coming out as a transgender man. And that dream happened three years ago.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3736.88,3746.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You want to tell us about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3746.97,3748.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/332","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: You want to do fast forward to that. You're leaving out a lot of life in there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3748.06,3754.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/333","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: All right well—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3756.24,3756.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/334","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Fast forward—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3756.65,3756.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/335","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Let's go back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3756.77,3756.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/336","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Yeah let's go back. We'll save that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3756.93,3759.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/337","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Okay. Okay, so we've made it to the '90s and I'm doing fill-in work here and there, and not working as hard as I was as a primary care doc. And being on the Board of Medical Examiners, going back to graduate school to get a Master's in Public Health. I started working for Lane County Public Health in 1999 as the medical officer for the county, the County Health Officer. This was the job that Dave White had before me. And this is the doc who deals with county programs that have to do with— I don't know what are the county programs? Birth control, STIs, communicable diseases, sanitation, the good stuff, the right stuff. And I did that for ten years, that was a half-time-plus position that I filled in on the rest of it and I enjoyed that. I got to work with nurse practitioners and with a number of people and I also got an eyeful of bureaucracy and how inefficient bureaucracy can be compared to the private sector, which I wasn't expecting to notice. And philosophically I'm a public sector person, and to see the inefficiencies was kind of disappointing. Did it involve any issues about— Yes, we dealt a lot with HIV, we dealt a lot with disease prevention. I worked also as the director for the Methadone Clinic for a while, as well as working for White Bird and their drug treatment program, saw more of that. Was there a predominance of sexual minority, gay, lesbian, otherwise folks involved in drugs stuff? I don't think so. I know that I heard from at least one lesbian client that they were very reluctant to enter treatment because there wasn't sensitivity to their situation. Always hard to tell whether the sensitivity is on the part of the patient, or the program, or both, or what? When life gets that dysfunctional, inter- wrinkled.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3759.14,3901.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/338","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Your insights about class: does it come from this work, this public health work?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3902.07,3906.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/339","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Public health work primarily and my own experience. So I think my some of my reluctant— my need to be respectable, to be a doctor, and to be a respectable doctor was sort of a class phobia. I've got to be polite, I've got to be a nice girl. If you're a nice girl, you can get away with an awful lot. So, I think that was part of it. Class became more obvious when it became in public health and access, I think, and access to medical care became issues much more seriously in the later '90s and the '00s. Beforehand, there were physicians, there were clinics, we saw— well, welfare patients then and they were just like any other patient when I had my private practice. And the distinction and the class stratification of medicine. During medical school, class and race were clearly connected because at Philadelphia General Hospital, black poor people were in the wards, and white not poor people were in semi-private rooms.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3907.31,3977.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/340","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was an insurance turnover somewhere in the '60s, '70s that put lower income but insured black patients in with the white rooms, and that— the hospital had a lot of trouble dealing with that. Black poor patients were the ones that medical students got to practice on. They were the ones that we sewed up in the emergency room as medical students going out to be real doctors and sew somebody up, is we'd sew somebody up after a knife fight, or they'd fallen down their stairs, but they were the wrong color and they'd come to the ER. Those were the patients that we practiced. That was also the time when I saw my first patient die of septic abortion. Poor women who had resorted to the red rubber catheter, coat hanger abortions, and postponed medical treatment until their condition was fatal. That one's stayed with me for a long time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=3977.51,4043.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/341","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Other class issues, not so much while I was in private practice in Eugene. Again, it was a glorious time. We could take care of folks from the South Hills, and folks on welfare, and everybody was the same. Now there seems to be a much— during my West Side Medical Associates times, we had a number of Christian patients. Christian, good Christian women who came because they wanted to talk to a woman doctor and hadn't had a chance to talk to a woman doctor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4046.64,4078.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/342","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they'd say that they kind of disapproved of this and this but they were glad to come to me anyway. And I'm not sure that could happen as easily now, as it did then. It was also at West Side Medical when I first started being a focus of protest because I did pregnancy terminations. We had a totally crazy man who would picket out in front with a couple of sinks full of blood-red paint dipped baby parts, and his signs. And he would be there fairly regularly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4078.29,4113.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/343","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The police department had said, \"Don't have anything to do with this man, he's crazy.\" And he was and had a very bad history. We set up with Planned Parenthood and NARAL a Pledge-a-Picket program that allowed the pledges to increase based on the number of anti-abortion pickets that there were out in front of the clinic, and we had a large thermometer for the money we had gained by having these characters out in front. One point, a year into this, months into this, I can't remember—and my patients were wonderfully supportive— despite the fact that these characters were yelling at children as they came into the clinic with their patients that, \"They kill babies in there, you know.\" So we let patients come in the back door. Tom and Scott to their credit didn't fuss, didn’t fuss and provided co—. So we did Pledge-a-Picket, and we got some wonderful people supporting us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4113.75,4170.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The UPS driver on West Eleventh, Jean Tate, the realtor, we got flowers from wonderful folks. At one point I got— I'd had a very bad weekend and the guy had done a poster that had Dr. Sarah in her gray skirts and white coat holding a big bloody dagger hanging out this, and I went out and I grabbed the sign and I stuck it in the trash. And he went off and called the police because he was waiting for something like this to happen because this was an assault and a theft on my part. He hadn't managed to provoke us. The policemen who came the first time to see what had happened— I was just in tears in the office, had a very bad morning, said something like, \"There, there, dear.\" And sent Becky Flynn to— and she was just a new cop at that point. Finally sent the girl cop to come and talk to me about all this. I thought that was very, very sweet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4171.23,4229.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A month later or so, the detective called up and said, \"Well, do you remember— What happened?\" Oh, no, \"Don't tell me that, don't tell me that. This valuable sign is not recoverable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4231.54,4243.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/346","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Correct?\" Correct. I said, “I threw it in the trash.” He said, \"No, don't tell me that— not recoverable.\" And so the legal case went to nothing for that. But the police department was incredibly supportive. And was Flynn out then or not? Maybe so. And who's the other wonderful gay policeman? The police woman? Short—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4243.77,4274.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/347","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Jennifer Bills?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4274.22,4274.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/348","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Yeah, Jen, Jen. Names are falling out the back of my head like I don't know what. Jen and I worked together when she was being a decoy for prostitution on the West Side because our house is on West Eugene and we had a lot of fun playing with that. But is that relevant to sexual minorities? I don't know. So that was the '90s, public health. Public health is difficult because Lane County is under badly, badly, badly underfunded for public services. We as a county have depended on that timber money for so long that— and our tax base is somewhere around the tenth of what Multnomah County's tax base is in terms of fees per dollar. And we spend about, less than a tenth per capita for public health, as Multnomah County. So it's dreadfully underfunded for what we would like to do for public health. That was disappointing, that was disappointing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4274.72,4342.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/349","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And from a political point of view, I don't think that the good guys on the County Board of Commission gave a damn about public health either. Peter Sorenson didn't visit me in ten years that I was there. And Faye Stewart, the fat conservative, the nice— the family man from Oakridge who is so very politically conservative and a Republican, actually would come to meetings and care about what would happen to poor women and kids, and how can we spend money that made a difference here? So that was kind of an interesting— “Not all that is left is always good in all positive and possible ways.” I ended up retiring early in the teens just after the bird flu, the Asian flu hurrah, because that was handled so embarrassingly badly, and the county was sort of— And I was tired and I was losing my hearing. And not being able to hear makes it very difficult for me to do patient interactions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4347.89,4423.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/350","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What year was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4423.14,4423.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/351","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Some, maybe '11.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4423.52,4425.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/352","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How was it handled poorly? How was it handled poorly, the flu?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4426.01,4431.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/353","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Oh the flu, inadequate funding, inadequate cooperation with the traditional medical community. County officials going off in their own direction without taking into account what the doctors at Sacred Heart and Mackenzie needed to have to support the work that they did. Just sort of a blind-sightedness to how complicated it got to be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4431.76,4459.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/354","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What where your plans for retirement when you retired?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4464.19,4466.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/355","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: What were my plans? My plans were I wasn't going to retire for another five years. So I got retired and Gretchen at that point was working for the state as an administrative law judge, and her job was getting bureaucratized at one point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4466.7,4481.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/356","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She came home in tears from a job one day and we said, \"Well, you don't have to work anymore, you can quit.\" So we quit. So we quit. We had a wonderful time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4481.19,4491.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/357","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And how old are your kids at that point?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4491.5,4493.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/358","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: They were gone, educated through college and out in the wide world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4493.88,4499.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/359","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4500.6,4500.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/360","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Our youngest is now thirty so he would have been twenty— he's had a little more trouble getting his feet on the ground and finding a good job, but they were doing fine, we didn't have to worry. We were done with the kids, we were done with the jobs, we just got retired.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4500.68,4517.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/361","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: I forgot to ask you, did you and Gretchen get married?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4517.92,4520.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/362","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: We've been married so many times. We got married at the March on Washington in that group ceremony that they did in— when was that 90—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4520.51,4529.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/363","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Three?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4529.37,4530.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/364","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Yeah, probably about then. We had of course guardianships and wills all set up before that. We became domestic partners in Oregon as soon as we could. We were the poster girls along with Tim and Kent, the poster guys for Southern Oregon when the ACLU talked Multnomah County into issuing marriage licenses. When was that? Two-thousand 06. And I got proposed to on Tuesday and married on Saturday, and it turned out to be a wedding, not a press conference. And that was sort of wonderful. We were married and stayed married for about fifteen months. There are a number of folks who were married in that blup of—. And then Multnomah County sent us back our $62 and annulled the marriage. So she's been my wife, and my domestic partner, and my wife and my ex- wife, and then we domestic partnered again, and finally got married in California shortly before Oregon became legal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4530.59,4613.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/365","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What year was that? We were just ready to get married properly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4613.95,4620.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/366","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Two-thousand fifteen when the Supreme Court made the decision?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4621.29,4625.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/367","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: It was before the Supreme Court decision, it was when California had legalized gay marriage, same sex marriage. I can find out if you want, it was sometime in the early teens.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4625.89,4640.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/368","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We were married as a same sex couple in El Dorado County.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4641.27,4644.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/369","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the El Dorado County clerk was— but we got married.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4645.0,4649.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/370","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then Oregon approved same sex marriage, maybe nine months after that, which simplified things, and then was the Supreme Court decision, the Kennedy decision.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4650.57,4661.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/371","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Two-thousand fifteen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4661.51,4663.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/372","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Pardon?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4663.08,4663.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/373","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Two-thousand fifteen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4663.55,4663.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/374","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: That was '15. So it was probably '13 that we got married in California. Lots of times.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4663.71,4672.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/375","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Which one was the most meaningful to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4673.84,4676.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/376","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Probably the one in Oregon that turned out not to be real.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4680.54,4684.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/377","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because that was the ACLU, which was a bunch of Gretchen's ACLU political activist friends. And somehow we had been church ladies of the Unitarian Universalist Church for a while, but not— the kids had gone to Sunday school there and so on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4684.36,4703.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/378","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But somehow they found out that this was happening and about 100 folks from church showed up, just were right there to celebrate this with us and with Kent. And our minister came out of her sabbatical retirement to do the ceremony because, this has been an issue that involved her for a long time. So, it was all this sneaky emotional support that snuck in behind the sense of reserve that— we’ve always been very about ourselves and who we were and who the kids were, but we've always also been very reserved. We had— I think we had pretty clear boundaries. I never hugged anybody until, much until I retired because you just didn't do that, especially after being on the board. And I hug a whole lot more now. But it was as if all that support snuck in behind the reserve and said, \"Hey, this is okay,\" you know. Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4703.39,4763.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/379","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Can you tell us about your other dream now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4763.95,4767.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/380","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: The other dream. So I got retired and became a gardener. We built a new church, we drove to Guatemala and back, to teach English to Mayan students about six years ago, filling up the retirement, staying busy, but it's been hard. It's a little hard to be retired— it's different, not hard— it's different to be retired.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4767.16,4793.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/381","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"To move from a life that's just always been three or four roles happening simultaneously, to having a chance to sit and think, or just sit and not even have to think. And we signed up— three years ago, we signed up at church for an OWL class.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4793.85,4811.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/382","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"OWL is Our Whole Lives. I don't know how much you know about it, it's a program in sexuality education at the United Church of Christ in the UU set up ages and ages ago, to try— that's setup for age appropriate curricula for youngsters from kindergarten up to elders, to talk about sexuality.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4811.75,4834.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/383","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So our church was offering this class for the first time at our church, and the two facilitators were a couple that I really wanted to get to know better. A straight couple who the church had sent back to somewhere to get trained in doing the class. And some other people were signing up who I had a lot of respect for and thought I'd like to get to know these people better, why don't we just sign up for this? I used to teach sex ed, let's see how it's changed, it might be interesting. We were having a little bit of— oh, you know, here we've been together for twenty-five years, what are we going to do sexually? It might not hurt us either. And we signed up for this class thinking, eh, this is going to be interesting. Honest to God, that's all I thought. About the third class, they brought in two trans men, to be speakers to talk about their experience, and what it was like, as well as the lady from the As You Like It sex store and talked about their— Oh it's wonderful, and we played with words, great course if you ever have a chance to play with it. And I went back home.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4835.15,4895.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/384","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now, over the last decades, I've thought every now and then something will be in the news, and somebody will be doing a gender change and I would say to myself, Oh, I could do that if I were ten years younger, if I were twenty years younger, if I weren't a poster lesbian for southern Oregon, if I weren't the mother of three boys, na, na, na, na. And I was just really blessed to be able to take care of two folks who were making sex changes in the '80s way before, who found our office, and I was able to help them find hormones for changes in both directions. And they taught me so much about their process and what was going on. But my response at that point was, I was fascinated but, I just had no conscious awareness this was any different than anywhere else.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4895.05,4942.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/385","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, third week of the class and I'm starting to say, maybe I could do that. And then I woke up from another vivid dream and said, “I am going to do that. I will be transgender, I'm going to make the change to male, this fits who I was when I was little, and here I am three years later.” So that was that second dream. It was just, I knew it, I was going to do it. So it's as if the decisions both in the case of Gretchen and the gender change, and probably others that I'm not so aware of happened to— it's like the Spanish reflexive. The decision happened itself to me, I didn't make the decision. I don't remember ever sitting with a list of pros and cons about being lesbian or not being lesbian, or who I would— maybe when I got married, I did it with a set of pros and cons. I just needed to be straight so badly I didn't think about the cons hard enough at the time. But the decision happened itself to me, and it happened. And since I've been, well, probably since the second week of hormone therapy, it felt like this was right, like I was a— I was living, this was how it ought to be, felt right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=4942.34,5020.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/386","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you talk to Gretchen about this decision?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5021.73,5024.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/387","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Oh, yeah, oh yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5024.04,5025.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/388","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And what was her—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5025.07,5025.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/389","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: I talked to her a lot, quite a bit. Gretchen isn't much of a talker and again, she's very calm and very reserved, and it was sort of [grumbling]— life with you has always been interesting, let's see what happens. It's worked, it's worked. Her response when she's asked— we gave a presentation about my transition to the women— the lesbian doctors meeting, which is— we just came back from two weeks ago, which is a really great group of older lesbians who we've known, lesbian physicians who, many of whom we've known for a long time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5025.08,5063.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/390","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But her response is, \"If Saro's happier, I'm happier, and we're happier.\" And I've always been sort of top-ish sexually, so that hasn't been a big change. Libido increase is always good for people in their '70s; it makes life a little easier.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5065.66,5083.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/391","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But the biggest change that I've noticed is the—and this is supposed to be about lesbians, not about transgender people. I didn't really understand what gender dysphoria was. The sense of discomfort being in one's own gender that we talked about. I mean, I could tell you on an exam title, that that's what folks complain of. I didn't realize that what I had been feeling was gender dysphoria until I didn't have it anymore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5083.65,5111.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/392","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The sense of— and there's lots of dysphorias in life, and it's not all due to gender. But the particular sense of dis-ease and uncomfortable shamefulness, which is obviously multi- factoral in the why world, I just don't have. And the biggest changes, and the most significant ones I notice are the ones that are me alone in the woods. The social adaptations are kind of silly sometimes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5112.47,5139.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/393","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What do you mean?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5139.87,5140.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/394","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Oh, being a guy in the world and learning how to do men's bathrooms, and the kind of conversations that men will have with me now, as I am read as being a man are different in subtle, easy ways. Shaving is, I like shaving here much more than I like shaving my legs. But it feels right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5140.07,5165.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/395","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Where did you have your surgery?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5165.9,5167.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/396","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: My top surgery was in Seattle. Transgender care has just blossomed in Oregon. The Oregon Health Plan decided to cover it probably about over the last two years or so. And those surgeries are done for folks with Oregon Health Plan, and Oregon insurances at OHSU. And OHSU in Portland has now developed a transgender care center to do surgeries for both male to female, and female to male changes. But there is also an annual meeting that's been going on for fifteen, now sixteen years in Seattle and now L.A., called Gender Odyssey that was established by a trans man from Vancouver, B.C., actually. And that was very useful for me in terms of meeting other folks and meeting surgeons. And what—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5168.39,5226.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/397","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Did you have to go through a battery of psychiatric tests to see if you would qualify?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5226.09,5232.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/398","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: I had to— I was right there at the cusp of whether I had to have— the gatekeeper model for treatment for transgender, transsexual people, has been the previous— during the '90s and the '00s, the early 2000s. The idea that one had to see the counselor, and live as the preferred sex for a year, and have a sexual attraction to the straight counterpart of what you wanted to be. There were a number of very specific requirements that limited access, and I think also encouraged a lot of falsification of history by the people— by folks who wanted access to that care. It's been some wonderful writing about it. Just, and I've learned so much in the last three years, I just read, and read, and read, and read. But the gatekeeper model has been fading in the last several years to the idea that informed consent as a model. The idea that maybe the patient knows what they want and how they're doing, and if Dolly Parton wants bigger boobs, how come I can't decide I don't want any?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5232.99,5310.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/399","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's the— are we applying different standards to different situations? So I saw a counselor for a period of time and he wrote a letter for me that gave me access to the physician who first prescribed my hormone therapy. And she turned out to have been the first transgender physician in Oregon, who went through a gender change with the board during her practice of medicine. I didn't know this until I was in the middle of my appointment with her. Quite an— But then I tend to not see things that are right in front of my face.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5311.1,5349.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/400","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sometimes quite often. The processes and the people are fascinating. There are very few older transgender men. There's a handful of folks who made their changes in the '90s and the early 2000s. Many transgender men who make the change kind of take themselves away from the community and just live their lives as men.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5349.7,5375.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/401","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, that piece of community is not as strong as it is for transgender women who don't get to pass. Who don't get to be read as women as easily as those of us who are changing to male. It's been a little hard finding older guys, but it's also an interesting perspective.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5375.16,5394.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/402","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: How did your children react?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5394.64,5397.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/403","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Oh, you know they're fine, they're fine. My conservative first son probably thought it was a little, a little bit weird, but they are really much more interested in their own lives than they are in ours. The second son, the in-your-face guy's current wife has been sending me wonderful Father's Day presents. I got a— I never thought I'd be a grumpy old man, but now I'm killing it. And I got a Bolo tie for my last Father's Day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5398.07,5431.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/404","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And so how do you identify?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5431.43,5434.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/405","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: How do I identify? That's another good question. I identify as male, but I'm a particular kind of guy. I'm definitely a trans guy. And there was a lot of discussion a week before last meeting about whether Gretchen can still be a lesbian or not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5434.52,5449.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/406","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And she's been wearing her “Keep calm, I'm a lesbian” T-shirt a lot these last couple of weeks. It's interesting, because in our last decades of doing life, family, and profession and so on, there have been weeks at a time when I don't, haven't thought, Oh, I'm a lesbian. Oh, I'm in a same-sex marriage. And we were talking about this last night, too, with a supper group of lesbian folks. That, is it assimilation? Is it? What's going on that we do that? So there were times I wasn't thinking of myself as lesbian and there are times now that I don't think of myself as trans. We just have to kind of do gardening and, where is that bicycle key? And I've got a 9:00 o’clock appointment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5449.72,5497.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/407","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So life gets there anyway. There was quite a thread of discussion among the lesbian doctors, the women in medicine, about the loss of the “L.” The disappearing “L,” and evidently there's a book written about the disappearing “L.” The loss of women-only spaces, of women's bars, of women's music festivals, of women's bookstores. Where is the community?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5499.18,5524.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/408","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How many young lesbians even know who Holly Near is?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5524.92,5527.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/409","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And when is the last time you saw somebody wearing bib overalls that wasn't in a production of Our Town or something? And it's a real, the loss of the community, that loss of community, and that sense of, here is a lesbian space where I can be a woman and talk about women's stuff, and be women only, and have radical politics, is a major, major loss for some people and like you really, could really perceive the grief that comes with seeing that fading, seeing women's studies become gender studies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5527.7,5571.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/410","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Where did the women go? Where did the women-loving- women go? Where's the women stuff? And I want to read more about that because that's a real issue. And in a sense I don't— it's not all my fault. Some people like to think— not my fault. And I have been accused of going over to the dark side. The next time I give that lecture is going to be called, “Have I Gone Over to the Dark Side, and Do I Get to Still Be a Lesbian or Not?”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5572.16,5595.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/411","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Also the feeling of what's happened to the butches?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5596.81,5601.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/412","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Oh, yeah, the loss of the butch, and I've heard that, too. Well, there are still butches. There are still butches and I'm still kind of butch. But it's nice to be— I think I'm freer to be butchier than I might have been earlier when I was trying hard to be straight. So—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5601.25,5619.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/413","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Is being a lesbian butch different than being— feelings that you have about being a man?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5619.98,5625.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/414","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Oh, I imagine, but I haven't thought about how they differ. I didn't spend a lot of time claiming butch identity. That was never a big important piece. If somebody asked I would have been the butch but it wasn't as important to me as it is to people who are feeling lost. And I've talked to women who are very butch, who are quite happy being identified as women with butchy inclination, and there's lots of writing about it. S. Bear Bergman, if you've read his stuff, has gone through a real interesting evolution along that. From staying butch and keeping his/her feet, keeping their feet in that community to say, \"Maybe I'll have top surgery after all.\" It all changes. I'm barely aware of my own changes until they happen, I should tell somebody else how to do it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5625.97,5691.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/415","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: That relates to another question I wanted to ask which is, when you had your surgery and you became a man, what were your— did you have a sense of rightness like you were complete then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5691.82,5706.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/416","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: It was— the hormone treatment was the one— the piece, testosterone was what gave me the sense of, okay, now I'm right. And the surgery was sort of, the surgery and the going to court both happened in October of that year, and going to court and getting the document that says I— Circuit Court says I'm a guy. And then I can go to the DMV, and then I can go to the passport office, and I can change all that ID, and be legally male in the world. That was sort of after the fact. And it makes the outside world fit so I'm not going to run into trouble if I get a parking ticket or a speeding ticket, or something. And I— But the real fitness is internal, it's sort of a sense that this works, this works.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5706.99,5761.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/417","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: How have your experiences been as people treat you as a man?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5762.12,5767.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/418","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: As people treat me as a man? It's a little bit disappointing how much sexism there is in the world that I get to see from this side. I thought Eugene was better but I really— I get treated far more attentively by the clerks at Jerry's. They assume I know more and that I'm making sense. And I wasn't a very shy flower hesitant customer out at a Jerry's either. But I didn't get treated differently. Guys talk to me more about their personal stuff. I've heard discussions about prostate surgery.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5768.02,5805.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/419","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We got offered the four extra beers that the motorcyclists were leaving at the motel in Klamath Falls that they couldn't take on their bikes. \"Hey, you want some beer, man?\" And store clerks, cute young store clerks treat me better. I mean, it's clear that the girls like to flirt with old guys, that kind of behavior.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5805.52,5830.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/420","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And as an older woman, I've heard a lot, and I've heard a lot from older women about how older women do get to be invisible. We had a minister once who told a story about when she's wearing her red coat, and she's in the line, and she gets ignored because the clerk just looks at the next person over.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5830.75,5849.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/421","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And older women tend to be less seen, and of less significance. And it's very, very subtle and not a big deal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5849.65,5858.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/422","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There were very— women and men are not all that different, and it's really a much slushier border than we like to think as a society. How am I noticing myself being treated? Just those. I was in the hospital for a cardiac procedure earlier this year, I'm getting old, the problem. I didn't turn into the adolescent of my dreams, I look in the mirror and I see this old guy. But, I think I get flirted with a little more by nurses.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5860.68,5901.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/423","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the first time that happened, I sort of didn't know what was happening and now I like getting flirted with. Kind of cool. The one other thing which is, probably not related, but I think it's funny is that, part of what testosterone did— it increases libido, sex drive enormously. And my experiences that was sort of— like I wanted paternally to take care of everybody that I ran into for about a month. It was this very custodial care-taking, not kind of maternal care-taking, but being in charge of the care-taking piece that I thought was really kind of nice. And the other thing that has affected me is that I've always loved women, there's never been, I've had a bi piece, and I can function bisexually and that's okay, but it's not all it's cracked up to be. But, and women are wonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5903.12,5964.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/424","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And visually what I get from testosterone is an appreciation for curves and the wonderfulness of femaleness that I had before, but not in the same way. And now when I see women who are attractive or just women, not even conventionally attractive, I often get a “Ooh, that's really nice, that's really—“ Not necessarily I want that, I've learned to suppress that piece.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5964.64,5990.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/425","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Gretchen and I have had some fairly severe discussions about what constitutes objectification, and what doesn't constitute objectification. But, the visual appreciation of women is just a real nice piece.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=5990.75,6005.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/426","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Does it affect your visual appreciation of men?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6005.42,6007.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/427","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Nah, I'm afraid there's not much gay in me. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6007.86,6013.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/428","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you like having transitioned at this time of your life?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6013.09,6020.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/429","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: It keeps things exciting, and it keeps retirement from being boring. What I like about it is that I've got some leisure to think about what's going on. And I've had friends say, \"Oh, you just waited this long because you didn't have time to pay any attention to yourself beforehand.\" I suppose I could generate regrets: why couldn't I do this when I was thirteen?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6021.06,6047.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/430","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I— regrets don't work, we learn that. And another piece is that, if I had been a man I couldn't have done what I did in medicine for women, and for lesbian women particularly. And I think that I was able to be of use to folks. I could build on the women who had taken us this far in women's medicine, the writers of the Our Bodies, Ourselves, and take that and maybe be of some use to folks with it, and have those resources. So I'm glad I was able to do that. And I couldn't have done that as a man, so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6048.22,6085.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/431","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you imagine becoming a grandfather?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6085.91,6088.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/432","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Well, I am a granddad. We have three grandchildren now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6088.36,6092.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/433","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I'm “Grandpus” and they seem to think that's just fine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6092.75,6097.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/434","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Do you have any concerns about lesbians and the aging process, and retirement, and healthcare?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6099.65,6107.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/435","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: I think, yeah any minority that's stigmatized is going to have troubles with retirement, and aging, and health care. We get old, we lose some of the abilities and the competencies that we've had before, and if we're lucky, we don't lose too many of them. But folks who are disempowered have trouble in this world. We don't take care of our disempowered very well at all. And I think sexual minorities are— sort of have that particular “yuck factor” among so many other people that I've shared to my discredit, that it's going to make cure harder. I don't think it's going to be difficult necessarily for educated, economically sufficient, well insured lesbians to get health care in much of the United States, although they better not retire in Wichita.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6108.05,6163.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/436","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And retirement homes and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6163.97,6169.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/437","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Retirement homes, the inability to be with your partner if you want to be with your partner, I think could be a real problem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6169.94,6178.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/438","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A lot of discussions about what to do with the— What do we do? What do we do? I don't think it— I really believe that it's not unique to lesbians or sexual minorities, and it's to any group that is perceived as disabled in any way, is not going to be treated as well. There were a number of presentations at the same meeting about sexual minority youngsters, and kids, and older folks, disabled sexual minority people, and the problems that they run into with access to health care, and other— all sorts of other carriers. We can do a whole lot better.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6178.95,6220.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/439","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We can do a whole lot better.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6223.32,6224.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/440","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Have you ever had any negative reactions to your transition by lesbians?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6224.31,6229.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/441","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Oh, yeah. Mostly, well, “You're old enough and you know what you're doing but those young butches are just getting led by the nose to make sociologically trendy changes, that they may regret later.\" Yeah, and I've been told I was going over to the dark side, I can't tell how much of that is a joke, and how much of that is negative. Again, it was, the lesbian doctors meeting, there were a number of folks our age who were there who were really bemoaning the loss of the “L,” and really not sure I should be coming to the conference even though I had been there for decades, years before. I was okay to present a program, but can I be there? And that's, it's not just me, it's part of the whole movement of change of, how does a community identify itself? And increasingly the young people identify themselves as clear, queer, or non-binary, or fluid, or somewhere in between.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6229.14,6302.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/442","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And a number of the youngsters, you know up to forty, youngsters who I would have said butch, no question butch, are clearly thinking non-binary thoughts, and they're, \"Do I want low dose testosterone or don't I? Is it possible to make part of the change without doing a gender identity change?\" Don't know— it's going to be interesting to watch.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6302.28,6329.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/443","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: If you were to speak directly to a young person who might be watching your— this interview at some point, is there something you would say to young people?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6330.04,6340.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/444","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: To young people, be sure what you want and go for it, and don't spend a lot of time and energy trying to make other people happy. Because— or to make the other people in your brain that thinks you ought to be a certain way, happy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6340.58,6355.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/445","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because you can waste an awful lot of time and energy doing that. You're young, be— you're not always going to be right. I think the gender change for children is easier, if you're talking about gender change is an issue. If it's a pre-puberty youngster who's real clear one way or another, those situations are much easier to deal with than the college health service. We've talked to a college health service physician who says, \"Surely 20 percent of the women in college can't be transgender. That's just too large a percentage. Are we dealing with gender dysphoria? Are we dealing with adolescent dysphoria? How do you help adolescents decide what they really need to do?\" The question is, try it out for a while, and are you happier?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6355.22,6403.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/446","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The case studies I've looked at, a youngster who's having trouble with— or an adult who's having trouble with life and trouble with depression, and trouble with school, and trouble keeping it together. And they're sick, and they're disturbed, and they're distressed, and begin a gender transition, and all of a sudden life comes together, and the student is able to get straight As and get into medical school because she's going to be a gender plastic surgeon. She got her life together instead of succeeding and killing herself at twenty, twenty-three because there's something going on. So, I would say pay attention and be careful, but, life is too short to make mistakes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6404.37,6446.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/447","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What has been the greatest joy in your life?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6447.18,6449.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/448","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Greatest joy? Oh, jeepers, oh jeepers, I've got a lot of them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6449.09,6455.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/449","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Probably the grandkids at this point. And my wife who I have to give a great deal of credit for putting up with a great deal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6455.57,6463.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/450","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Life is full of joys, if you ignore the fact the politics is as they are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6468.74,6474.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/451","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How old are you now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6474.3,6479.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/452","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Seventy-two.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6479.5,6481.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/453","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And what do you foresee in the next five, ten years?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6481.29,6484.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/454","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: For me?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6484.85,6485.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/455","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Mm-hmm [affirmative].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6485.4,6485.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/456","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: Some more political activity, more focused political activity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6487.63,6492.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/457","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm going to go out and collect signatures for some sort of gun control ordinance. I'll probably go out and collect, and do some politicking for the anti, against the anti-immigrant effort that's coming up here. We just moved from that big house that I moved— lived in the basement of thirty-eight years ago, to a retirement cottage that we built across the alley that's all one level because Gretchen's knees are wearing out. So I still have some landscaping to do with that one, and I have a grand dog to give walks to. I hope I don't catch my mother's dementia.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6492.89,6531.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/458","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'd like to figure out a way to be of some use. I'm going to watch, watch the young people. They are just full of amazing ideas and amazing schemata for what's possible in life, that we never thought was possible. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6531.81,6550.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/459","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And modern medicine has done some pretty wonderful things as well as some pretty awful things, and it's time for us to concentrate on prevention, people. What's the advice for young people? Take real good care of your bodies. I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6552.65,6566.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/460","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Was there anything we missed you'd like to talk about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6566.43,6573.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/461","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hendrickson: No, you've probably figured it out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6573.78,6575.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/462","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Thank you so much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6580.13,6584.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/463","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Thank you so much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6584.08,6584.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/464","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Such a pleasure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6584.89,6585.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/465","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[END OF INTERVIEW]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318#t=6588.15,6588.26"}]},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56110/file/130318/transcript/92588/annotation/466","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/588/original/776_Coll520_do026_aligned.vtt?1776852358","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/588/original/776_Coll520_do026_aligned.vtt?1776852358"}]}]}]}