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Testing 123456789. Testing. But the Rentokil program.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=5.64,14.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Realized that at the time. Very, very sharp that you pick up every little pick content which you don't really want. Yeah. You know it's ready for music. 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The, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=28.65,30.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e As it gets over.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=30.54,30.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e The new one. But the trouble is you put working with this sort of thing. But this sort of magic is that you pick everything up. Yeah. Everything about the kitchen sink. That's what I found out. I'm looking at you, and you're not running at 15. 16.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=31.68,47.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e So you. You know, I want to know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=48.24,49.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Where you make the switch, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=56.31,57.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I believe that one of the problems is that this is a sounding board. My students.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=57.72,60.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Tell me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=60.99,61.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that's what it is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=63.99,65.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e We don't have to put it on a calendar. Yeah. That's really nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=65.88,71.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You're an expert engineer or something?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=73.05,74.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I was just because of Kirby and Wyshynski. They've gone to Toronto. They've sold some of that to CBC. Oh, how are they? So they rushed off to Toronto to where it is today. But I don't know. They got some money for this film. I can. And the whole thing is what happens. We're not that film necessarily is insane. But what's going on on Capitol Hill? House un-American Affairs Committee. It's for a time where it's just really so silly. And there was this sort of pathetic demonstration in quotes yesterday. And, I don't know, it's just. They got and it was a pathetic thing, was a pathetic demonstration. And there was a policeman about every Everyone in the bunker for the demonstrations. 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You know, the king of the hippies or whatever you want to call him. Yeah. And we were shooting an interview with him yesterday, last night or yesterday evening, and some guy came up and maced through the gap. Tear gas through the firewall. You know, the see who's most of the all they've got in the doors. There are holes. Not one way mirrors. Yeah. You know these things. Yeah. And most through it. And then the after card saying the National, what it's called was a national white Socialist party, you know, one of these racist things and then phoned up with the threatening phone calls and they were going to get him, but the whole bloody floor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=125.94,170.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e Had tear gas. Yeah. Floating around. You know, But I mean.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=170.91,176.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e The scenes up there, you know, he's going dressed. I mean, it's wild, actually. He's going dressed in black pants, bear torso with beads, bows in his ankle, barefooted, a berry with feathers stuck in it, his face all painted a bit. Come. Flag is a cape. A homemade Vietcong flag is a cape, a plastic M-16 rifle and bandoliers and no shoes. You go to the committee meetings. I mean, it's just insane secret. And then there was the scene. Did they go the American flag here? Yeah, I shot that yesterday, but it wasn't an American flag. 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And so they're accusing him of anarchy. And, I mean, it's absolutely absurd. And they paid informer because I was right by the TV cameras when he gave an interview afterwards as a reporter. And I could fail Dodge salesman. You know, it's sort of disgusting because it's stupid. It's attack. And it's annoying because I was thinking this probably spent as much on this already flying in people from Chicago. I said, oh, Africa film Filmcast. You know, they've got 200 cops on duty up apps and things like that practically. You know, not to be 100 cops on duty at all cost over time and money. So I've shot some things, you know, I mean, I they in because I had this panic call that Steve at the last moment backed up. And you go three different excuses to three different people. And I said back to everything on it because he had the equipment, you know, paying him and supplying equipment. 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And then I think it's going to be Monday morning. You know, I want to cut a short time. And then he thinks that what the best procedure would be would be to send out a law and order a letter, you know, telling people to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=387.99,400.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Make those arrangements, make these suggestive changes if they would, you know, if they feel that they're, you know, if it feels it serves a better. Point on the problem, in fact. Yeah. That's what I've been thinking. And maybe cutting off the tail end of the. At the moment in between, you know. Yeah. 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I'm not surprised.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=448.89,451.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I'm sure that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=452.4,453.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, they they probably got me on their shit. Best as ever. 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Well, I mean, you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=466.38,467.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Know that he was on the side of the.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=467.67,469.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e And the whole routine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=470.91,472.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You think you're right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=474.42,474.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e They did this daughter wrong. Why not? Yeah. They got to learn to live in the world. And that was it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=475.23,483.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And you didn't like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=484.35,484.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I did it very politely. I think, you know, because you saw the letter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=485.88,488.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Except for that one little jab, which is, you know. Well. 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But this Ruben thing is just. They've got the money. I think it's his guy. Cook. It's somebody. And it begins with the K who works in America.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=510.66,521.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e Films to that of his own money. Getting some money. Oh. Come on, Burke. I kind of work in the camp. 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He's going to stay for a couple of days. I shared a room with him, a great size, broadening his mind a bit. I mean, he's a very bright guy. I mean, not when you said that, but in the black person trying to sort of put it into context that the American Negro struggle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=557.85,574.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e Is within the context of America. It's got nothing to do with Africa. And all this African thing is. Is that what do you think? 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Africa has absolutely nothing to do with it or any other country, or to sort of look around at Cuba and things that they struggle. It's within the American context, and it may be fratricidal, the struggle turn out, but the by the very nature of fratricide, it's. Brother killing brother because the American Negroes is as American as you get and has been here longer than 90% of of the white Americans got to face up to the fact that he is one of them, and she sort of goes in for African things, or the whites might wish he would disappear. That is one of the most American, one of the most American things on the scene, right? In any shape, form a man.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=589.8,630.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And anyway and not to face that fact is is the. And so yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=631.61,635.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e So like I had a long talk to him. He's coming to stay in New York for a couple of days. I think he sort of in And sneaky works as an undercover sort of organizer. It's a very he's a bright guy, a lot of personality. Great. But I'm sure he and snake is, you know, far out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=636.12,651.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Organizing right now there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=652.59,653.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but never did this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=653.79,654.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Nevertheless, they associated with Stokely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=655.5,656.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. He was on about that and the Black Panthers. You know what he said? Well, that's how black is. He says he doesn't go into this business of wearing jeans and leather jackets. You know, you are what you are. You don't. I was saying I thought it was that Stokely represents a typical American politician who plays down to the masses like Humphrey. But in a festival primary the other day, you know, and Humphrey's doing folk talk. Yeah, and he's not a stupid guy, Humphrey. I mean, he's not a semi-literate farmer, but he does talk to the farmers and he speaks down to them. And this is the American political way. And I think exactly what Stokely does is pretends he's an horny handed son of the city. So Stokely comes from a very respectable middle class family. He's not a ghetto. It is not out of the ghetto. 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This guy is a bright guy, doesn't have the technical skills. But now I have dreams. And, you know, I mean, I'm making search outcomes out of a picture of the box, but I've got another guy job in NTT film, Phil Davidson. And if you met, then I'm getting the job. But I'm pretty well content. Yeah. With Black John, who's a bright.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=712.95,730.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Guy to the theater agrees with already there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=730.89,732.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. I've agreed. Yeah. Chris, you know, but it's not through grapes. Grapes is any sort of figurehead up to a point, but within somebody else. And then I had me two black assistants I've used in this guy that if I could just get could find one decent cameraman, I could, in a sense, put up a black crew completely with just myself as the producer out of the picture. I mean, perhaps my money and to keep the artistic autistic control will stop everybody going off. Make stupid fascinating film. 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I'd hoped you'd come back sooner so you could meet him. But my idea is, you know, then I have Clive and a couple of other guys that if I could get about 4 or 5 of them. And these are all young black guys, but with brains, and I'm committed and otherwise, and I've been trying to with all of them. I give them none. Fatherly talks about the nature of filmmaking, that when you make a film, put your politics in your pocket. And you make the film, even if you don't like the subject or anything, you know, you must remove yourself one step emotionally. Otherwise, you're just making political tracks or propaganda. I mean, how do you divorce them from those? I don't know, I talk to them, but I think film I had real things, you know, Hedwig sort of goes with her because all the young whites like. What's his name? Bill Curbishley. They're all committed, you know, they're either support the Peace and Freedom Party or the students for Democratic Reaction or action. 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You look at it coldly on the movie, and if you're fair, when you look at it in the movie and you say that shitty, that's reasonably good, that's bad, that's could be good. It's backed up. But I mean, you're sort of like the surgeon looking at the patient. Then it's all laid out. You're like the editor who's had all the steel sent him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=890.99,912.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Why wouldn't you have a good, committed political sense? I mean, he's got, I think, what if you could say. 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That's sloppy. They're slovenly. They're not polite. I mean, it's real southern things, but the South is a second class society which lacks, despite all its pretensions to having fun. I think lacks it. You know, it's a really it's a sham society. 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Well, I was just going to say I always go off the point that the demonstration yesterday, there's all the shouting pig, pig, oink, oink at these sloppy cops who don't rush out and beat people who herded them all down the hill like a gang of sheep. You know, that was the only way I could say. And the policemen, sort of vaguely overweight, gross southern types, you know, not very fat, rather pallid and sweaty under their arches. And, you know, they just were silly. But there they are, because they are rather inefficient policemen. They're equating them with Chicago and Los Angeles, you know, who are efficient, brutal guys. I'm not saying these guys could be brilliant, but it's sort of not the thing up on Capitol Hill brutality, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=965.19,1008.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But you're saying that the the, the, the committed point of view was. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=1009.23,1012.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Equating them see with with the pics of Chicago. Well, I mean, there's nothing less like it looking at the police carrying these guys off Capitol Hill yesterday who are normally only concerned with terrorists and sort of very herded them down the hill, that's all I could describe it. It could be anything less like Chicago SS guys, you know, I mean, the average big city American policeman was that in Chicago, Los Angeles and Detroit, policemen, you know, would have been fine additions to Germany, except they're not as smart, as clean, as good looking, as healthy as probably as intelligent as German stormtroopers. But apart from that, anyway. I'm not talking about the position. Now the film. See that Kirby is making the money. It's all pro cleaver. You know that the. They think it's so terribly important that what I call the lunatic fringe has got together. You know, that the cleaver black nationalists snick have done in that gone in with the the Yippies, the student of which I think is instead a lunatic fringe meeting lunatic fringe and really isn't where where it's all about where the revolution comes from in society any more than any sort of in the history of Russian Revolution. 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I think you have to take that. But now he's taking a proposition that the far left is right. You know that there's no compromise, that it's to the barricades and said, oh, hold emotional. Now I can tell the bull and you know the fellow next time. Which has its truth. 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You know, it's a I don't know, it's a question of feeling. When I look at the subject, I don't I, I very rarely make subjects because I feel strongly about them. I go and look at the subject because it interests me, because I think I'm just going to make a good film. I mean, if I wanted to make things that I feel strongly about, I would sort of make a film about the filth of New York and play God Bless America for it. 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You know, there's are things I feel strongly about, but I'm not terribly concerned with making a film in it. I don't really see any unique for me, any subject. I would then what is it? What attracts your.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=1185.21,1201.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Interest? Why are you what makes you interested and what? Yeah. When you put politics.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=1201.17,1204.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e In your pocket or when you put a commitment in your pocket. I mean.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=1205.28,1209.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What is this thing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=1209.51,1211.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, I don't. I mean, I make, like, the tobacco film, I don't smoke. I'd given up smoking by the time I made that. I think tobacco's and inequities thing and people killed themselves. But you know, it was. That's a commitment, isn't it? The working life of the people, you know. But in a sense, it sort of says nice things about tobacco, how hard it is to get it, which is true. But it doesn't say tobacco is a good thing. But I didn't make an anti-smoking film. No, but you made a lot of other people. 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I mean, I made two religious films in one year, one about a Catholic pilgrimage, which could have easily been guide. Yeah. I mean, easily being sat on. What about the Salvation Army that you could also set them, you know, satirize you better than you did? No, I know that way because it's an easy way. Even if I thought there were funny things, there were many fun things that one could, you know, the foibles and strange things. The Salvation Army door. And it just pilgrimage in Quebec, which, I mean, there are incredible sequences that I could have used in other films. On other matters that I've always kept in my mind out of it, which I would like to use in something else. But. Tim. I just wanted to go back to what we were shooting up there. Kobe being young, he's all committed. He wants to make a film to change people. And I don't know, I don't think films change people at home.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=1243.8,1293.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But on the bottom of the back breaking leagues. And why did you want to make it? What what what? I wonder what does this thing interests me define?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=1294.29,1300.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I've always. Well, I've. I've always said I never knew why I was really interested in a subject, but somehow. The subject I feel a interest me be, I think, would make a good film that would interest other people in the in. Because I have a way of looking at things that is perhaps slightly different. I'm observant and people don't notice strange, strange things, but in recent years, of course, I hadn't been able to make the films because it isn't the money or anybody to back them. Like, I found this Belgian priest splitting up with the Cree Indians, which I very much wanted to make a film about. But no one will put any money up, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=1301.34,1338.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What interested you about him?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=1338.96,1339.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e His whole relationship with the Indians as a man.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=1340.48,1342.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Where is this in Canada?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=1342.8,1343.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, up in northern Alberta.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=1343.76,1344.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e How do you spell that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=1345.47,1345.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e The Indians. Well, see, you know their tribe, and it's crazy. But I went to great trouble to try and sell it. Film about CBC. There's no you know, and it wasn't. And yet. Because the because the film I wanted to make wasn't a sociological study of Indians, wasn't a religious film. It wasn't a film about culture. It wasn't a social criticism, but it was things, as this community is as of now. And because this man had a. Personality that was somehow to transmit things about men to other men. That's really to the point. I felt that he had something. I suppose people you admire or interest you, you would always like to have a part of them which, you know, you usually admire things which are not in yourself, in other people. And because if they're in yourself, then you usually tend to either be jealous of the other person. You know. I mean, you know, you're setting the standard. So I think usually when you admire things that are qualities, you don't have much as one man's sobriety and temperance and one drinks, you know, his coolness equipment. Those are those sort of things. You don't admire somebody who's extra cool and feel cool. You know, so we sort of professional jealousies. But anyway, so I just not being. I don't know, I mean, there's a film that I would like to do I can think of. I was talking about the film, the film I'd like to have done for a long time, which is a a very strange to the gothic look at Hollywood, the dead Hollywood and talk, which I got when I, when I was at UCLA. I was interested in the still the agents and the sort of dead, dying screenwriters, you know, living in poverty or little motels and that whole Gothic period. But that was. What do you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=1346.49,1447.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Mean, Gothic?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=1447.71,1447.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I mean, it's all decayed. It's like I mean gothic with a K in like a late 18th century romance, you know, sort of with mysterious dungeons and phony ruins in the gardens. What you call them funny, I think. Denizens. Yeah, well, no, no real gothic romance. But I mean, as if she was American Gothic, right? A bit. I mean, real gothic writers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=1448.64,1467.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And it's just about that, that attraction, because it was the I think it's.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=1467.81,1472.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e A whole mythology of, of modern world with Hollywood of the 20s and 30s, and nobody recorded it except in stills. And, and I went and did some research because I like talking, finding people interested and found that, like Poland, Edward's agent was a little Jewish man, 78, you know, living in some somewhere up, you know, the back of Hollywood and still running some very minor. People, you know, minor people probably, probably guys books in the nightclubs, you know, in the third rate hotel. But all those sort of people who were pies at one time because it it is a sort of archetypal thing, Hollywood, Europe and modern communications. And these people were coastguards all over the world. But there's no stars nowadays. I think that's what Pauline was on about when she wrote about Funny Girl. You know, because Streisand, I can't say because I haven't seen it, you know, she was more than. And she has that old fashioned star quality. Isn't this nice that it's still around and that sentimental? But then I like Pauline because she likes films of that period, has a sentimental regard for it. It's like sort of loving color interiors thing. So sort of Irish tenors, you know, maybe bad music and bad singing, but by God, it's great. Such a thing, you know, that period. But but is there was another film now why would that why does that interest me? I'm working backwards from your your question. Why should that interest me? Because I think it really is. The mythological qualities interest me, but I'm not. So I don't intellectualize that. I feel if I could make a film, if I could just be expensive, it would cost $80,000 a year because of the time involved. And an awful lot of interview material. And do the people who are still alive and try and you know, in the old houses and in the sort of documentary Sunset Boulevard, you would recreate a period but the truth behind all the mythology, but that the truth is a myth itself, because that was the as I think I said to the other day, Frank Morgan working all the levers in The Wizard of Oz, The Shining on the Great Wizard, and that's what it's all about. I want to go make a film about Frank Morgan, you know? I mean, you pull the curtain back, but I really want to be able to go in and talk to him when he's not playing the Wizard. And I think that's the whole thing. It's the what lies behind the facade that we see. That's what I always try for an interview. That's why I never ask people in interviews, really the obvious questions or the obvious questions I ask them only to lead to other things. I did a film in a politician this year, a very nice guy I like. I mean, not here in kind of in. The question I was interested was, how do you felt it was worth it? Because he and he gave me a tremendous piece then the chain of the terrible cost to his family. I mean, his family marriage hadn't broken up, but he said he'd really sacrificed the whole years of his children growing up in politics because he wasn't at home. You didn't really know. He thought it was worth it. Anyway, he ended a great line. I think it's worth it. And you better hope that it's worth it. Believe that. Because if it isn't, you know. But it was that sort of thing. I'm after him. That it's the nature of things, I suppose. And like this priest, I couldn't sell the film. I can never explain it because it wasn't a religious film. It isn't a film to promote, you know, sociology that raised Indian life or anything. But he was just a modern man in every way who has gone out into among primitive people and lives amongst them, not in a, not in a semi patriarchal way. Even so, that's very unfashionable. But he gets there, I say there's a sort of creeping monopolies advice in this regard. It is the wisest man and he is the wisest man. Therefore, everybody has always been patriarchal and patronizing, but to them he is a Cree. And, you know, this was interested me in this whole thing. And yet he is somebody who knows it. Read all the latest French philosophers. He spent 25 years hunting and poaching moose.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=1472.43,1709.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But don't you think that a politics can come out of this attitude of wanting to just.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=1710.69,1714.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Go for what attracts you? Oh, I quite agree. I just was suspicious of enthusiasts. There's a famous English divine, Ronald Knox. It was a very witty writer, and he wrote a book about religious enthusiasts and said there were spikes in religious enthusiasm. I think it's in filmmaking. Enthusiasm is the worst space, but you've got to have this persistence and taste. You can do without enthusiasm. You've got to have that persistence to carry it through. 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I'm not very interested in the black white struggle not being sort of particularly white or black and not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=1755.78,1761.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You were saying.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=1761.96,1762.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That you were in it just in its interest. Me is an interesting struggle because. And I suppose people are realizing for the first time that the black man might have different thoughts to the white man. I don't think he thinks in a different way. I think that's a whole lot of black shit. You know, I mean, you might say think, think differently. It's all like talking about so but this is a sort of loose, easy thinking. I think it's sort of like the dago talking about, like, why are the Germans talking about the master race? You know, it's it's a way of putting other people down and putting yourself up. But I just found these people where they are. Nobody's done anything at them. They're very difficult to get at. It's very easy to get political statements, you know, and pictures of people in leather coats things. But really, what is it like so much from the inside? I it's not a film I could make. It could be my film. You know, I could sort of my Secret service manipulative mind see ways of perhaps, you know, getting people to make it. 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Said these things and yeah, his enthusiasm. Yeah. Because mine, Eldridge Cave is significant. I don't think I attach papers significant I don't think start becoming a significant really. I think their products of, of of what they call the media, they're just products of modern 20th century American that Western publicity, you know, they I'm sure in ten years how many would say, whatever happened to Stokely Carmichael? You know, if he didn't come to some violent and dramatic end like Malcolm X? It was sort of, you know, what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=1828.59,1862.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e Where We're Stokely Carmichael now. You know, those are the things that Newsweek runs. Where is Bobby Baker? 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I mean, to one political thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=1873.59,1882.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You're very much committed to something that guides you, that you don't articulate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=1882.8,1886.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't like to tell. I don't like the.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=1887.03,1888.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Film, which is a desire to to I mean, just to respond to something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=1889.25,1896.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=1896.99,1897.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I suppose as a person.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=1897.68,1898.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I rather like a a water diviner. I like making films about people. I can get people to respond to me. I'm good at directing people. I can usually recommend, given the right circumstances, which really means having enough stock and a crew who can work that way to get what I feel is really good interview material. When I say interview, I don't mean television. I can start to go inside the person inside. I'm thinking this guy's ample. Well, most of the interviews staff, I suppose, in Latin for the man who says he has religious doubts. What's the guy in jail? No, no, no, there's a man who sits and talks about his first day. I don't think we have to use, but he really had some sort of religious doubts. Well, at the thing I was talking about today and much of the stuff which is never used in the movie Kingdom, which in American film, in the interview stuff really wasn't great. It really was a good excuse not to use the tapes, get the tapes. They weren't used because of commercial crap. 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You know, I'm sort of interested in water and f and I have an ability to find it, but I don't really know how I find it. Now, what? What does the water represent? It's people, but it's always I'm interested in. I seem to feel that I see people slightly differently or not I see them, but I see things in them which are there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=1958.78,1986.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Can you say, can you describe the differences? I mean, the way you went about some of your interviews in either the movie canning.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=1986.65,1992.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Them or the one you did? Well, whenever I interview, I never interview formally. I never know what I'm going to ask the guy. I never had a prepared sort of no, never never, never, never. 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Interviewers like, I'm boring, you know, we say now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=2020.85,2025.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Five minutes ago, you told me this. You know this. What do you mean? Yeah. What do you mean by this? You just made the statement. And then. And then they're interested in that sort of demolition business of blowing bits off the guy. I sort of look at. It's self-centered, but I think there's other ways of showing your center, if that's what you're after. Where do you see that? I mean, yeah, I in for those things. Well, no, it depends what I'm looking for in the person, what I define in the person. 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You said a process, I suppose.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=2051.75,2070.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e When in talking to people on film it is the psychiatric processes they've got. You've got to somehow find something that they feel that you're interested in, in them, and they have to like you in a certain. So the way you have to make them like you. If they don't, they won't tell you things. And so the liking is often only that they have to feel that you are interested in what they have to say. Genuinely interested. And usually what people like to talk about in this very vein is something, not just the surface. In other words, actors will give you all sorts of crap you know, about the latest play and things, but then there's always something on behind that that they really want to talk about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=2071.34,2111.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, sometimes it may be something, nothing to do with an actor as a bad example, because its actors only like to talk about acting, but other people suddenly have some other interest.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=2112.8,2122.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And this is a just tap a hole.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=2122.61,2123.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e How do you break through that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=2124.56,2125.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know, it's a mantra, just feeling people. And it's just the magic, I think, of being sort of rather neutral oneself. This is a business that they don't fear. If they don't feel you don't have strong views, then they think, then they don't feel that you're going to be critical.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=2126.18,2141.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it's you would say that you listen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=2143.31,2145.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It's listening. Yes. You make yourself neutral. You don't push your ideas, you don't offer them up. And therefore you may if you want to provoke the person. You know, if it's that sort of thing. But I see so many people do interviews and they come on strong, or they just ask less the questions and I think this is in documentary are always sort of searching behind said instance sound. I mean, I think because the addition of I think made such a difference to documentary, it's a pity, you know, it's been nicer to make films with pictures. But nobody wants to look at films or pictures, and I think, but also because of 16 millimeter and television and things, because the pictures are usually not very interesting. 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Well, you get it for an interview.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=2192.78,2195.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And what do you look for? I mean, what would you what do you use interviews for in the context?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=2196.11,2200.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I mean, ideally I would use it. One always has to use them far too much because it's usually cast. But then who has to sort of do something. Because if you interview somebody for an afternoon that you really would like to spend 2 or 3 weeks filming, which would say the same.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=2201.06,2217.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e Thing much better, perhaps visually, but there is money. This happened to you, I think, in any film.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=2217.59,2222.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Especially nowadays, when in the years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=2223.09,2224.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e I've had to work for television, but then in so long that I've made a film that I really sort of would.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=2224.91,2230.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Interest in me as such, you know, that felt that was really me at. I think all the films I've made for many years, I just have been I mean, some of them have been passable, interesting, but they've been vehicles to earn money and therefore they haven't been my own. I guess I'm not a great promoter, see, and I think in the US you have to be, you know, within the nature of the business, you have to be a promoter. 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I did a film about cars. I had cars, but two.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=2439.62,2444.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Quite funny car salesman talking about it. In the beginning of the film. 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These were being made for television and it was before the days of Portable sink. And nowadays, because I would try and get much more in situ. You know, I mean, if the guys were going up the roads, I had some air traffic because I did the recording myself in that film. But I would. You mean you did the recording yourself?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=2454.23,2478.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I went in to record a film. You do a one man, two band approach. 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Lots of things, you know, which is a subject that I feel. Therein lies an interesting film. Let's put it that way. And there are things that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=2642.12,2650.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Would you try organizing ahead of time? The thing I would, you prefer to just go into it. 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That's my I hadn't set.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=2701.85,2707.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Up scenes which don't work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=2707.4,2708.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e How would you go about. I'm saying in the back breakingly you've got a you've got you need or love in fact, that you need a, you need a sequence. You don't know what everyone you've got to say, you've got a certain thing to say about this. You've got to say that these workers, you know, you might make some statement about their lives.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=2708.9,2726.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Will you set it up? It's fine to be at the back breaking. They've set up the evening sequence. 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I hadn't seen it happen because it didn't happen on the farm that I was down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=2749.97,2753.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Because the guys will not living in the barn. And so I got it and found somebody play the mouse over, and it was in the next one and set up that sequence. It was set up. It was shot. Set up. What do you. It was the real guys playing in the way that they would play. I mean, I let those things run. I just set it up. It only inasmuch as that it can be photographed. 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This puts an awful a great deal more burden on shooting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=2982.02,2987.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I would like to do a dramatic film because a story, you know, I would like to do, but again, I'm not a promoter. And so this, you know, I'm not going to say any sadness, but it's just, you know, you have to be able to promote and I, we work or I work in a film world where you don't it which is very limited in its opportunities. It's limited for any number of reasons, I mean, besides my own limitations, but it's limited. Just like I can't shoot. If I could shoot, I could earn more money. 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The other area for the editor, and that is then they trust that the cameraman will make it look all right, and the editor is going to make it cut. So I have nothing to offer. You know, I have. No. That's why I don't work in that world. Yeah. 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Then I can get out of the person a sort of reality that comes out with the audience. What do you mean, a reality where they suddenly see something in this person, which is interesting, that is more than they expected, or that you would expect out of this person. And this is everybody goes around and I find in most of the things in themselves, except to that. Give me an example.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=3086.03,3113.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e How did you do dreamer? 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Mine has cinematic quality. In fact, she didn't like me at all. I had a lot of trouble to get an interview. She took an instantaneous dislike to me. I don't know why I did not speak to that in my lifetime. You know, in this case, because I hadn't said anything. Usually they take a dislike to me because I. I made a facetious and stochastic remark about, you know, being arrogant, arrogantly argumentative, something like that. But it wasn't, you know, professionally, I don't behave like that. I mean. Right. Right. Cool. And she did. So I had a great trouble to talk her into it. 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I'd ask somebody else in the crew. I said, well, look, she doesn't mind you. You do. The interview talked and he refused to approach it. He's quite successful now. And. So I had to go there, you know. And I got to and I said, look, for some reason you don't like me, but I'm interested in you. This is where I hit, you know, going to lose everything, I win. I'm interested in you. I'm trying to make an intelligent film, which, of course, we cannot, because the film is all chopped up to ribbons. Issued under a very different idea from what I was shooting at the time. And. But I'd have to be able to at least have the freedom to sit down and talk frankly with you. And it's certainly sort of broke through to her. She's very professional and became, you know, cooperative. But I mean, I'm pretty make it very simple. This is really it's sort of not an emotional eyeball to eyeball struggle, but it's one of those things. 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All you got to do to talk to Macmillan is to listen. I should think that would be the different way. The hardest thing is to get him to stay on any subject. I mean, he's most cooperative, but then I think he's Canadian, you know, and all the rest of it, I don't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=3361.73,3377.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But what did you find yourself pushing it all or looking for something? You said that you were trying to do Michael in the manner I would.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=3377.99,3384.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I was working within a very strict. Program where the producer only wanted his films one way, and I was being paid to do it. And then what? What is that? What? 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That's the sort of delivered the camera and shot in glorious color. And they went using high speed color. And it was not shot with the the sort of documentary style that I would shoot it in if I was photographing, you know, much faster than it was a good cameraman shot it, but not as anything like as fast. All right. And the producer insisted that this is all delivered head on, and it was not the way I would do it and the sort of things he wants.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=3408.14,3432.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What did I want him to know? That was. So How did you go about. Digging?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=3433.4,3437.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't think it's a good film. So I didn't really dig very far with my show because I had the producer wouldn't have been interested in it. And at the opening, I did think one way when his wife said, well, I think grand marshal, to me, he's a little boy. Which is great too. McLaren has this sort of little boy characteristics and patronizing. He's fascinated with certain things and I'm sure can behave childishly as well. And it's but it is a sort of nice characteristic, which is a very true thing. 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You had a more freedom on that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=3473.51,3476.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I had more freedom of Woody Allen, but I'd never met Woody Allen before. There was that. 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And I don't have any.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=3498.92,3502.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e Place to get my bike. Oh, okay. All right. 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He could only give me minimal time. He was writing a play. I would like to have done a much. It was only for a short item, 20 or 15 or 20 minute item. I find him an interesting personality because he's an invasive personality.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=3516.29,3532.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Have you noticed about him?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=3533.9,3535.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, right from the beginning. 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No, don't blow the place up, I got it. I had to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=3635.36,3646.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Really be able to run my own show marketing. I said I really have to be able to run my own show. Yeah, I don't work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=3646.82,3655.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well for.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=3656.15,3656.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Other people. This is the I'm fortunate thing. Or at least I. Unless people give me freedom. And I resent it. If I don't have the freedom, then the.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=3656.6,3666.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Resentment showers and.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=3666.47,3668.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I obviously exhibit that. I think they're stupid or their taste is bad or they think so I don't work. This is an unfortunate thing. That's why I have a reputation for being difficult to work with on, you know, on location or anything or not. You know, the crews or the people I work with. It's usually it's always the producer, but it's always been my case that he's leaving the film board, that the producers always wanted to push things. He wants it this way. He wants it that way. Well, as I said, there's lots of people in the business who can work for producers like that. You know, they want so much interview material comes out at 21 minutes. And but that's that's not my way of working. And therefore I resent it. And as I suppose, the majority of people in television are not terribly well educated or bright. So it's very easy to make smart and funny remarks about them. 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Well, one, could you illustrate your approach to an approach that you would say it would be something the way you work from one of your films?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=3727.01,3740.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Well, let me say you let me pick a film, which is not. No, I don't pick up a popular one. Because then you no one's talking about, let's say, a film which is was made and vanished.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=3741.5,3755.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Which was a thing called pilgrimage. Yeah. That you like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314#t=3756.89,3759.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262314/transcript/76695/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I thought it was when you were done with coming, I was it. Yeah. You know who to who shot to what they were producing. I did shoot some stuff on it. I was at a cameraman and several cameramen I was interested in. 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I don't think it's a terribly good film, but I think there's some sort of quite stunning sequences, especially sequences of the sick at a ceremony where they think they may be cured, or people saying their prayers at an autorail, and people are getting communion at an outside mass. But I was interested in the motivations towards a pilgrimage.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=8.09,28.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Is this the way the film came out? Did you initiate it? 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I don't like to go into great depths in research, but I think it's the purpose.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=33.22,56.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And doing that research, well then what would you get?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=57.14,59.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I would go around","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=59.18,59.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e talk to people that's what what were you trying to find out what did you have in your mind","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=59.97,64.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e It's always basically what makes it tech. Why do people do things? And we try and make out not only why do they do them, but how do they them? What is the nature? I'm always interested in the nature of things. But I remember Primary, I thought, it's a good film, but I thought the material could have said, but it's not within the American thinking, the nature of the politician, why should Kennedy want to be President of the United States? Why should they go through all this shit out there running to go and live in a sort of armed camp even in those days in the White House? It's, in that case, the nature politics, but you can get power more easily. You don't have great power, especially at Kennedy, with money. Without having to be a president and this interested me at that time. 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There is this great shrine, sits in Montreal, this great ugly repulsive major sacre-cœur.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=125.26,131.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That's the nature, that doesn't hook me, but if you say, why should they go, is that what really... 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So I picked that to describe Unreserved.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=136.72,172.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so then what did you do? What were the questions you asked to whom?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=174.97,179.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I haven't seen the film of course in many many years. The interview material was difficult there because there was a language problem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=179.5,185.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But you did go and research. You asked people why they went and things like that. Before you began.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=186.23,190.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I want to ask more than why they want, just because they believe. Because many people went, because they felt they would be cured of their sickness. It's this sort of ultimate belief that people have. I don't try to get metaphysical. It's something which probably film doesn't lend itself very well to, to go after.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=190.33,210.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But everybody, when they're doing research, is really looking for materials that are going to turn into sequences that are gonna mean something. Then how are you looking for sequences?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=212.58,223.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Exactly what you said, unfortunately, many of those films, because you don't see the sequence, you know something will happen, big ceremony and such and such a date. You researched it a year before. To go to another subject, say the tobacco film, I researched that before any of the damn tobacco was growing, because either you researched it one year and made it the next, which is not financially possible usually. But at least I knew what the area looked like, but actually what I would have liked to have done because of equipment that's been done since was to have made a story of a guy, one guy, who goes to the tobacco fields. That was in my mind originally. To sort of make a story film of a guy who hitchhikes to find him, you know, and he actually works, and what happens to him. But, first of all, I never found the man, and it wasn't possible with the sort of equipment, the 16 equipment, really, to make that sort of film at that time. I wanted it with sound, that was the point. And it just, it wasn t possible. And I never the person. It wasn t the time. I made the film with one other person. That s what the budget stood. Which is, you know, you couldn't make that sort of story. It was one of those. That was Garçon. With Gilles Gascard, who is a very good cameraman now, extremely good, who's a brother of French Canada's, well he's the, actually his brother is not only a very well-known actor but he's one of the directors at Stratford, he's director at Strapford now, the Canadian Stratfod Festival.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=225.74,314.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e How did you determine, then, the sequences for either the tobacco film or for the program? I don't know, this is just, you find... Come to... Come to... Come to the... 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I mean, what are you going to say? I don't... I never know what I'm going to...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=333.4,339.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I never know what I'm talking about. That's why I never sell anything, because I don't know what I want to say and I can never even in the film board I had awful troubles and you always had to put all sorts of shitty reasons up but you don't even in Vegas way believe in to get the project sold. I can sell projects like that, I can write those sort of things up because you know the sort of thing that people want to hear. You learn that over the years, but they're totally irrelevant to what one wants to do or what one probably will do, but that's the only way you can sell it. When you look at television, this film will show not just the externals but the inner working, you know, all that sort of crap, because the TV and film world's full of it. People who only... They're always looking for something new, new, and new, you can't merely say, I want to go off and do a film about this, because it's sort of... It kind of interests me, and I think I'll make a rather good film about it. I don't know what I... That's why I don' sell films, or why I don't work very... I don't sell ideas, because my ideas of what I would want to make films about, I have no reason for making a bloody film. Well, I mean, I want to make a film about a priest in Alberta. I want to do a film and, you know, the documentary, which would be a very strange baroque thing on the sort of Hollywood. It's as soon as the past, the death.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=337.85,416.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But nevertheless, you've made several films that did develop, and they do have a development.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=417.59,421.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, each of those films, I was suggesting, would have a development, but I couldn't really bring up valid reasons to make them. I don't like theater, for instance. I think the theater's a bore. But I'm interested in the nature of acting. I would like to make a film, and this is impossible, I think, because of the, within our society, North America, because the union structure and the thing, on how a play comes together from out of some printed matter. And that whole, how it comes together, I mean, you would make a terrible risk in doing this. What would you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=421.72,455.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Might be the sequences then in a film that would deal with how a play comes together or the nature of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=455.98,460.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think everything, you could start, say you start with the writer, his conception, you take everybody separately beforehand in a way, and the director and the actors, their personalities, but not personalities as actors, what sort of eggs they eat for breakfast, that's the sort of, that's what interests me, like the Frost film, when Frost is making his cups of tea and patting the dogs, to me that says more about him. Than all sorts of other statements. It's those things I'm interested in. I want to know what sort of place does the man live in. Let's assume that if we were doing a play that there were some well-known actors. I want know what sorts of friends they have. What are their interests in life? Over and above. What do they like to do when they come home in the evening? These are all the sort of things which will make sequences. Now, you might find the guy does nothing but come home and stare at television. Well, that's not going to make sequences, or looks at his press clippings, or tells his wife, or she tells her husband, you know, what's happened in the theater that day. Well that's the stuff of ordinary television documentary. But I would look for something which would slightly another facet of, you, know, is another facet, there isn't with many people. I would shoot all that before hand, not everything, I wouldn't go down to what I call the American documentary technique and shoot through 300,000 feet of each person doing everything from sort of getting up to having a crack, but I would be selective in what they do, but what interests me in the nature of acting is that whole relationship, how it starts to come to have a life of its own. And in the theater it's easier to shoot than how a film has a life of its own because it's all taking place in one stage, I mean, the main action, but it's impossible to do it because of the union situation. Oh, the union is all that you do? Well, the actors would all demand payment and residuals, which would make it financially impossible. You know, the actor's the most uncooperative people. For that though, I means, it's just a physically impossible thing. Not mechanically impossible, but...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=459.74,580.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, what about Leacock's Jane? Leacocke didn't shoot it, but it was... I don't know what to do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=580.06,584.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know what exactly it is, but that's just on one person, that's not interesting because actors are only interesting in relationship to other people. I mean Jane Fonda isn't an actor, you know, she can't act, she's just a name, a small star, you now, the very small S. But that's making a thing about, in quotes, personality and quotes, which television loves, you will make a for, but I mean those people, So I don't know, she may be interesting. She may not be. They tend to be two-dimensional at the best of times, because they haven't really done anything new. And if they are famous, they don't even know why they are. They're famous because they lie down and at the right times have got nice looking legs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=583.97,623.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e So you're interested really in two things, not only why, but why interest someone in something, but how certain things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=624.69,631.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Why and how, yeah, what makes it tick, you know, how the clock works, there's that beautiful grandfather clock, but what goes on in the inside of it, not only what goes in the inside of that, but the sort of man who made it, and not just his workshop that he made it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=631.38,645.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But it has to be always related to a man, in a sense.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=646.33,648.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, that's what people interest me, all the time, the idea of making a film on justice, the law courts, I suppose everybody's made lots of films on these generic subjects. They really don't interest me and I always feel that technical exercises, even when they're good, as far as I'm concerned. In other words, if I made a film about justice, I would want to take one or two or three lawyers or a judge, you know, or identifiable people and through their imperfections and then the thing you learn something about the nature of law. I'm not saying that's a subject I want to do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=648.69,684.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Why do you suppose that you are so... ...Er... I knew that was another question. But when you suppose... The subjects that you choose, the whys and the hows, the people do things, are interesting. I mean, what is it that, what do we draw out of learning how and why?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=685.07,716.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I honestly don't know. I think it's like people who, I think, because we're in the age and everybody wants an explanation for everything, but it's rather like asking painters. They can get away without people asking them, they leave it to the critics to answer. You know, why did you put a tree on this side? It was the right thing to do. And I know that's in the actual thing. I mean, why do I shoot a sequence in any way? It's shot that way either because it was the only way to shoot it, or it seemed the only at the time, it seemed like the best way. The rationale, the critics always supply at the end. I mean, I read criticism. I read Pauline on Weekend and really, you know, what she's writing about and what I sat and saw, more than two different things in two different worlds, dimensions and everything, and yet there's criticism I like of hers that I can understand and agree with, but I mean this is a good case. I mean, and I'm prepared to believe she's a good critic, so perhaps, you know, perhaps she's right. I don't feel she's, right. I mean intellectually. I mean a year I agree with her, but it won't be from any emotional feeling.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=716.75,782.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=785.29,785.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e We're talking.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=786.03,786.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I had to walk all the way back here. No, I waited 20 minutes for a cab. You were erroneously saying that... It's the hardest thing in the world to get a taxi in this town.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=787.73,802.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Are you the cleanest?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=802.89,803.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Blue's voice is coming over beautifully. Even with the microphone turned away from James, his voice is going to be great, but mine sounds like some little old lady trying to order something from Gimble. You've got your village voice about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=806.16,819.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e You're doing all the right things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=821.13,821.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, the end thing. Well, all right, now, there's another question that's very related to that, is that how would a man like yourself, who is so articulate, so very much at home with the English language, a master's degree in economics from Oxford, oh, Wadden, I think. Why do you suppose that you never tend to go beyond to a theme, you know, kind of a tying up something. That's the thing that really interests me, that you thrust through to get the things that interest you, but you never seem to want to make a statement about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=822.45,871.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e This might come with the generation I come from or my background, I think. Well, I come over as sort of an older generation than most filmmakers around, my formative years were before the Second World War, when I was 15 or 16 when it started, 15. And I had four and a half years of that, or three years of the war, and a year and a half afterwards. So I don't know if perhaps that had a big effect upon me of not finding statements","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=874.26,906.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But one can look at the tobacco and make a statement out of it. One can look a blood and fire and make the statement from it, a thematic statement about","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=910.01,917.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Maybe that was the editor, maybe that was the editor's statement. You know, maybe it's the editor statement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=917.85,922.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e What you're interested in seems to be contradictions or reasons why people do things, but when you put them all together, nevertheless, they tend to create, from the look that you have upon things, it tends to create a theme.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=921.56,936.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm prepared to believe you, it's like reading Pauline's criticism on the weekend, I don't understand it, but I believe that what you're saying is correct, it is flattering and all the rest of it. But for myself, I'm imprecise, look at the way I talk, I love to talk, you've got to remember that with Irish extraction, always, so you know, talk's talk, but it's like I can be funny when I talk if I'm in a good mood but I never write it down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=939.09,965.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But you're a very verbal person. Verbal people usually talk in terms of themes. You say it's your background. What would be in your background that would make you, in a sense, uncommitted?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=966.659,975.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I suppose coming out of a war alive, where many people I knew got killed, I mean, I think that happened to fly, to be an air crew, which had a great mortality rate, fatality rate. And therefore, when we went into Africa, you didn't place your chances of survival very high. It wouldn't have been as high where I flew, but I think the total in the RAF bomber command losses were like 90% at one time. Were you in RAF? Yeah. I was, and I flew in bombers, it wasn't anything like that, I suppose, of the people, but of most of the the people who came out of school, or my first flying course, I would think the mortality rate was a good 80% by the end of the war. You were a bomber too? No, I was a flight engineer eventually, but I mean I was lucky, you know, it can in the circumstances that I didn't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=977.949,1032.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But what is it about the being lucky in getting through the war that would make you, not to seek thematic statements, but to seek just the nature of things?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=1033.369,1044.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I came out of the war, I suppose people would say alienation, now I remember feeling a tremendous let down when the war ended. I can remember the time I was in a plane on a runway in Italy, taxiing down the runway, and there was a flight engine in the air, I was sitting in the co-pilot seat and I just happened to be listening to the local radio station on the radio and heard that Japan had surrendered. And we just waiting to take off, and I had one of the sets tuned to Corsair's station project And I remember the fantastic let-down of other people because I had no career before then. I had nothing to go back to in a sense, you know, I mean, the war had started, I was at school and I'd gone in a relatively short time from school into the forces, into the RAF, and four and a half later as I'm getting thrown out in the world, without a vaguest or new within the next year or so I would get thrown out into the world as it's 1945, without the vaguest idea of what I wanted to do or anything. 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Yeah, but that was at this stage, you know. I mean, you couldn't think in those days. Only if you're an American novelist, only American novelists who were in the war thought of what they wanted to do after, maybe because it was a more stable society. In Europe, of course, well, not stable, but it was richer countries, so there was more to come back to, but... I'd served a lot overseas, and I don't know, I now went to university, I was lucky enough to get a place in the university, it was hard, and that was too much, and still, you know, it's a matter of trying to find a job. I would like to go into films, but I'm not a good salesman, I'm no pushy, I don't push myself forward, therefore...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=1119.86,1163.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But then, does this have something to do with your sense of, I mean, this kind of sense of insecurity after the war and then not being sure where to go and what to do?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=1166.429,1176.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e It wasn't physical insecurity then, but to come into how I started in film was, in a sense, I'd always wanted a film, you know, the art form, entertainment, that interested me most. I got more enjoyment out of it, I was watched more, more interested in, and through the course of circumstances, I had various jobs to earn money, and then it came a point in my life, increasingly so. I always do things like when I realize that... I couldn't stand what I was doing. It had to be the sort of gamble, and I was again lucky and got into film quotes, through luck. England? No, in Canada, so completely my filmic background is Canadian, you know, though I was educated in England and things, so it is entirely Canadian and the formation of my thinking in film is Canadian. So I consider myself as a hundred percent Canadian filmmaker. I may have a different background to Canadian, but Canada is an immigrant country, you know, but the forces and the people I worked with were within the Canadian context and I still prefer where possible, I mean a Canadian crew or ambience there, I feel more at home.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=1176.22,1249.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But what's interesting, though, is that Canada and Canadian filmmakers developed pretty strong thematic lines in their films later. 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I feel that I would... I mean, this is a strange feeling. I thought if I could speak French, that I could make much more intelligible films. There would be a bigger audience for me that I would be more in sympathy with. I've always felt more in-sympathy with the French cinema.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=1313.07,1330.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Why do you say that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=1331.47,1332.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know. This is purely a matter of emotion or taste. Don't ask me. My great-great-grandmother was French or something. You know, I mean, you could say a million things, but the French films appeal to me more than French...Canadian filmmakers have liked their stuff better and have worked with them. But I don... 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I don't know, the French will try anything, you see. Have open minds. I mean, I know the French closed minds, I'm very aware, you know, of a good knowledge of France and a sort, a certain French lugubriousness in closed minds. It's like when they become political or things, like looking at Goddard's recent films, and all of these dreary Marxist traps. You see, well, I could never go for that. On the other hand, they will try any thing, you have... Right from back, shooting an American aircraft, carriers, you know, jets taking off and cutting to a girl on the beach, or vice versa, I can't. With organ music, huh? You know, with organ music. Well, that's just great at the time, you now, but which, I like that. That's fun. 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I'm talking about Canadian ones, Jutra's films, or the French filmmakers. That's why I don't like Bresson. I find Bress on dreary. I saw Mouchet and I just turn me off, you know, screw that, for luck. I like French filmmakers, there's a liveliness, there is a feeling for people, feeling for streets and buildings and all sorts of things. 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He denies to his ex mistress, or who would have been his ex-mistress, to everybody. He deniers the whole thing. Now this fascinates me because I like denying myself, I like being incognito sometimes. One hand I want recognition, and the other hand, I want to be able to pass without people noticing me. When I say that, of course, it's great trouble.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=1502.83,1540.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Terry, there are two other areas I'd like to cover. One of them stems from a quote from Mark Harrell. I don't know the name of the quote exactly, but I'll find it, in which he, uh, calls you the sort of father of the whole new cinema, one of the fathers, and that you were a... One of the first loyal to a certain kind of objectivity of getting what there was. Now, in a sense, that does relate to what you've told me, that you much more preferred to react to find things in what you saw, that it had become a commitment, yeah. The truth is I see it. 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This is what people are always saying. They know me for years and then they're always saying, well, they always surprise me because, usually because I behave badly or foolishly more often than badly, as people who know me in the film business like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=1657.05,1672.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I don't, you know, I...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=1674.03,1675.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I suppose that one of the problems, and you suffer from it as well, you work in the film business or television, and most of the people in it aren't very bright, and they're not the sort of people you want to spend the evening sitting around talking to. 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I mean, one trip to a network in the U.S. Convinces you that, or convinces anybody, these are not the sort people you wanna pass your social eyes with, your intellectual social eyes especially.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=1675.16,1701.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e But now...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=1704.46,1704.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Anywhere. Working, you give me an idea that you do rely upon your own instinctive reactions, intuitive, intuitive reactions to the situation and the people, with a certain amount of research which gets you sort of on the beam. But what Macherell has implied was that you were sort of the father of this objectivity, this what later became the new cinema, the cinema verite approach.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=1704.96,1730.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I'm an objective person in a way, as I said, because I don't think I have this commitment of going in and assuming all policemen are bad, all, you know, all extremists are good. You know, I don' t have that sort of, I think I am objective in that and therefore there's a certain different way of looking at things. 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A certain person in relationship to somebody else will be better, I mean there's a choice of where you shoot them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=1773.71,1794.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But Ricky says you can't stage it. He says you start staging and everything becomes... 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I don't think they probably just all dreamt up. He goes into a barn with the children to see the cats. 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I'm prepared to believe him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=1840.94,1845.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I think you think that though that you that you can stage and still get what you're in terms of this what you're after in terms of this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=1846.75,1854.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You're very right, take the blood and fire. I wanted a convert, I'm not going to pay a man, I mean, you know, somebody who'd come to the mercy seat, shot a whole big thing. In one person. To the mercy what? To the Mercy seat. You know, you come up to the front of Salvation Army, shot a hole big. Temple meeting and at the end of it realized that within the thing the cameras were too intrusive, the audience was wrong for this, that the place was wrong, went and did it somewhere else. It had to be lit in those days, nowadays you could do it under natural light, went and set it up in another place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=1854.58,1892.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Then the sequence is not the same place as the rest of the film.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=1892.06,1896.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e The where the mercy seat is is another","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=1896.83,1898.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Do the y-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=1900.41,1900.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Where the man comes up, yes. That's a different place. That would have been in a men's hostel, but we had attempted to get it in a better place to photograph it, which was in a big temple. I mean, what they call a temple. But it's still not staged. Well, it's staged in as much as I know it's gonna happen. I mean I don't- You paid the guys? No, no, I didn't know who was gonna come up. But I mean there are staged things in films. The taxi driver and the... The days before Christmas. He happened to be my janitor, was a taxi driver, and you would say certain things. It was the first piece of interview I ever did with Taxi Driver, who gives a big about how nice it is to go to Christmas Mass, which is very much my interview technique still. And at the end of it I said, you don't really believe what you're saying. And he says, I'll tell you what Christmas is really like, they all want to go to a blind pig, which has a bootleggers nest, I see. You know, and that's like the guy laughing in the black baking leaf when I've said, you know, you really don't enjoy getting up at six in the morning and laugh with him, Because he's just put it on for the camera. Oh, I see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=1902.52,1965.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e One of your techniques is to cut through the pretense that they're nobly doing what they do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=1965.97,1972.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean, the guy giving it to Cameron, not because of nobody, but as a sort of put-on for me, to sort of, to put me on, though I knew him well, see, and that's when I laughed. He said, you liar. He says, I like to get up at six in the morning, or prime, I forget what, but it's the hardest work known. And the same with the cab driver, and the days before Christmas, he says, I'll tell you what Christmas is really like. They want to go to a blind pig and drink or something, you know, where it's not that. Well, that was staged, you really have to be staged in the cab, not what he said. 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If someone's going to go through a door, I'd say, hold it for a minute. Just wait a second. Or if there's a reload of the camera, just pick up your conversation. We'll just reload. We'll pick it right up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=2024.19,2039.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And when you miss something that you go back","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=2039.59,2041.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Go back on it, go right back on...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=2041.45,2043.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e How would you do that? Just keep running?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=2043.14,2044.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I go back on it and say, hold it a second, you were talking a bit, saying we didn't pick it up very well, you had a good piece going, and I will then direct, you know, in a sense, generate the atmosphere and get it to come naturally. How would you do that? Just the way I do it, the way we talk to the people, not from any technique. Who's going to say, I remember in California, I said to you, I think you smoked or did something in those days, you smoked, I ink, how you would get somebody to smoke in a certain sort of way, without forcing or pushing them by saying, well, try the digress, put it deep down in your fingers and make a deep pop. Now tell me your name after that. I often do those sort of things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=2045.5,2080.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Just at the moment when the guy has just done it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=2080.52,2082.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But if you've seen it happen, or you know it's the sort of thing it does, there's no problem in restaging something somebody's used to doing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=2083.569,2089.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, Godard said to me that people sometimes would not be able to recreate what they had just done.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=2090.17,2095.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it's quite true, he's absolutely right, but when it works, when you can recreate it, then it's the same thing. If it doesn't work, it is not in the film, because it's obvious.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=2096.02,2104.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e A piece of crummy staging. What about, can you think of anything else? I hate crummy stage. Would you get a hand?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=2104.97,2112.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e I'll just quit. I thought you were getting it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=2116.069,2120.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Your winner was probably a run of Cadillac or something, it was WPIS telling you that. You answered an easy question, like, what is Tricia Nixon's second name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=2121.98,2132.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know what that is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=2134.54,2135.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, no, do I, but they never give their cattle out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=2136.24,2139.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Uh, who wants to get in the leg?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=2139.17,2141.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Who was the vice presidential candidate under Goldwater?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=2141.77,2145.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Now... You would, you, you would, did you do this in primary at all?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=2147.97,2157.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, oh yes, yes, the thing's, well, I mean, that's like the thing in the evening is staged. With the musical sequence when they're playing in the mouth, organ and spoons. I had to set it up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=2158.95,2167.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, that's in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=2167.79,2168.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, primary, no, no. Well, primary let me think of anything I shot. Well with Humphrey, yes, the walk down the corridor. I said, wait a second, you know, I had to get into position to do the walk, down the Corridor. 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In the longer version, there's a shot at Kennedy, the same in an elevator, I get in the elevator with him and walk out, and I was saying, don't pay any attention to the camera, don' t pay any to me, but let me out of the elevator first, or I'll get out with you, and you know something, and then I have my camera running.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=2185.07,2205.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 7:\u003c/strong\u003e What about the shot of Jackie by their hands?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=2206.2,2207.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, that was from the stage that was shot. I think it was shot from two angles, there's two cuts. How about him coming through the light? He did that. He was waiting outside, but he's, you know, in behind him. I'm more, you now, if I'd been there, I'm likely to have gone in front of him and waited. Because I did a shot where I had a jam, which was at the University of Wisconsin, where I said, wait for me in a second, and got in front to Kennedy. It was a long, walking-backward shot, which I've always been fond of, this thing. 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A Ricky shot, I think, the same shot as well. So you don't know which shot it is? No, I know the one in the film is mine because it's from the angle I was working on. You can see me in one of the other shots reloading over on that side. There was a shot, I think in the longer version, where she's leaning up against a wall in the CBS studio. It's a very nice back-fit. 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You've got to take some sort of position. No, always talk to me, but don't look at the camera, you walk a little faster. I was doing a shot the other day in Central Park, a very good thing with grieves. They meet some nut in Central park, a sort of wino sleeps in the bushes, an educated man who goes on in a fantastic spiel. I shoot this, this is in car, handheld. And they start to walk away, and he's still talking to them. It was a beautiful shot with leaves and trees, and I'm shouting from behind the camera, for fuck's sake, keep walking. For fuck's sakes, keep walkin', because if they'd stopped midway in the shot, there would have been no nice ending to the shot. And they eventually walk, and everybody says, why the fuck are you trying to keep walking, you know? It's all meant to be natural. So wait, because they see it in the rushes, and the shot breaks off beautifully. You know, here's this guy talking, and they all go away. It's a natural scene. 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Winter coming on, I don't know what's the best subject in the world that you want to do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=2503.47,2508.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Just with the money there, I would disappear up with the Cree Indians. And I'm not a person who's sort of a primitive, it's just something that I know, that I have a sort of feeling with this, you know, rapport with this guy. I would go and do that film. If it was a story film, I would like to break up because I have sort of documentary I can shoot. I mean, I say this with all immodesty. I think I'm an extremely good cameraman. 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What was it? I can't, oh it was a style of, well the Humphrey walk, the way I walk backwards, There's not many people in the... Woody Allen film, I walked around him twice, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=2566.52,2599.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e 360 degrees to it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=2600.259,2601.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e 360 degrees around him, handheld and up the street, and the handheld stuff, when he's walking in the street and it starts, very precise follow focuses.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=2602.089,2608.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Mmm. Nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=2614.96,2616.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Just continue to ask the general. Yummy. Mmm. Yeah, this is the special middle, big one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=2625.26,2633.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Just pull it over here, pull the next one up, pull chair up, that's alright, you're We don't have that much time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=2634.18,2645.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm going out west.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=2654.03,2654.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Next week.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=2655.38,2655.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e How long? When's Thanksgiving here? 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This was before she... No, he took it over after that. And the things like all the four sequences, I direct it. You know, this was on the understanding.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313#t=2817.37,2826.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262313/transcript/79517/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e What about him throwing the apple and... 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They were shooting giving a lecture. I know, and she did the aircraft carrier sequence, and that's true. But there were no cutaways and it was one cutaway shot and I shot all the cutaways a year later for all the actual frost appearance in front of students, the Amherst and Sarah Lawrence. 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These girls are not even being at the lecture They didn't know Robert Frost was from a hole in the ground almost Got the girls and that is really what I call directing, you know, fixing up and matching lighting because I didn't shoot the original stuff. That's the real art of filmmaking, is making it work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=60.97,85.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You don't like this thing at all. 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To get good shots and things. I mean, Lee Cut Mesels and Penny Baker, they shoot everything from shoulder height, you know, virtually. It's all framed the same way. This is not the art of the cinema.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=119.08,162.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But don't you think that the minute you start changing, you are interpreting constantly. So it's hard, but it's not really what the people are in it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=163.13,172.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e As soon as you introduce a camera, you're interpreting something. The very lens you select interprets. We don't shoot at a wide angle, we may shoot at close up. Ten millimeters, four inches away from some guys here. We may shoot from across the room. Would I shoot memes with a window? I've done that sometimes, just shot through a window. Not to embarrass people who are very nervous. Run outside here in the dark, sort of thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=172.86,194.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But what you're saying then is that really what you are creating, although you may be reacting to them, but all you are saying is really what YOU feel and nothing else.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=196.39,203.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, up to a point you can only ever say what you feel, because what you'll feel may be valid.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=206.06,212.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And Maysles may pretend that they are showing you what's happening.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=212.98,217.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't believe that at all because you've got to load the camera, the camera has to stop, you've gotta put a light in sometimes, you know, you gotta make a rapport with the guy that you're shooting to let you shoot so he doesn't keep on turning around the camera and staring at it. It's a rapport. I think they just made it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=217.82,237.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, go ahead, sir.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=239.1,239.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No, theirs is a sort of black children, they've got a, I think, what's the word, an American film, they have a good stick. How do you spell that? That's the H-T-I-T. That's S-TEC. You know, I don't think it's any more direct or less direct than anything else. And I really don't believe when the postman walks up to the door of the lock to deliver the letters, that they always happen to be rolling, that they haven't said to the postmen, just hold it one sec, while I just get up the garden path a bit. 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I mean, if you happen to be rolling on a postman or ride, it's great. Now tell me, my god Ricky looked old, did you see him at the end, he looked fantastic but he's so entamped in sort of I think publicity and festivals.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=288.31,307.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What hospital? Yeah, hospital.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=312.47,315.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Mm, mm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=317.03,317.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But, um, what other films? We've talked a little bit about what you did in Cross, and what you had in the primary. And that blood and fire you were directing, I got that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=317.96,331.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I directed, that was the first film I ever shot anything on, shot as a piece, it was the very first time I ever took a camera in my hand.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=332.15,339.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e That brings me to another thing, I think. You know the article, I mean the letter I wrote to Sight and Sound, which came from a combination of their article on the Canadian thing, Canada, and even talking about you, and the fact that I'd met your bro.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=339.15,364.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I told you, did Michel work in that film or not? No, Wolf shot that film. Wolf is the most incredible cameraman, or was, I don't know what he's doing now. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=365.41,377.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm chubbying on Stravinsky recently.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=378.44,380.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Work a few years ago and I never saw that one did you because we're three films that what we thought there was a men's key done by Leacock one done by wolf and Roman and one done my guy called over that David Elfenheim is with PBL But the very first shot I ever made is in the film, which was shot not at the actual meeting but in a test, when I took a camera and had a hundred-foot rodent wolfling. A lumbar. Yeah. I can still see it. That was the first piece of film I ever turned over, and it's cut into the film.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=381.54,418.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e How did you learn? You just started shooting? What made you start to shoot?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=422.95,426.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Because I was...Wolf was an amazingly good cameraman who was an animator. I mean, I was just tired of the sort of camera work that many people were turning out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=426.7,437.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Both have been worth it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=438.0,438.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=438.8,438.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But by then he'd already","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=439.75,440.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e We'll just have a number of thousands of fans, I suppose I was, but I didn't... I don't know if Wolf is a spot talent enough to think, but I would have said, you know, three or four years ago, it's the greatest black and white documentary canon of all time. Absolutely. In my camera style, I would say more to Wolf than anybody.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=442.23,464.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You're terrible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=466.25,466.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e And I think, well, I mean, he's got his problems. I don't know if this is not for them to hear, but Wolf's problems will be overshadowed by Roman always wanting somebody to guide him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=470.51,477.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e It would be very...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=478.47,479.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, Timmons, but he was the most incredible cameraman. He is the person I would take for a feature. He wouldn't work for me because I frighten him. If you do your middle-western film, you should think of that. I mean, not that it was Steve. You know, really, you need a... What do you think? Kenny Wolfe to shoot it. You two would get on, by the way. I know, wouldn't we? Maybe you'd get on. That he would be the person, he would afraid to work with me, you know, so I could work with him, you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=480.56,512.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that's fine with us, but now tell me then, why did you pick up the camera?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=517.419,520.419"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Because of the conventional cameraman's whole mumbo-jumbo, it took to do things, and I thought, you know, if you can do it yourself, then you know what it's all about, that's really what it is. And I suppose Wolf was the first person, I was the second person to break the whole union, well not the union, the sort of mentality, cameramen only do camera, directors only draft. And I would call Wolf, Flaherty maybe at the beginning, but Wolf next. You know, the first of the drafter canon, myself as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=522.4,554.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Misha said that you were one of the very first to push people to take care of the tribe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=556.25,563.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, this is even before, I mean, before I shot myself, I pushed people to do things. Why was that? Why would you say that? Because I'm a good stills photographer. I mean I know photographically what would work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=563.67,573.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Why didn't you do this? Why is it? Yeah, I've picked up Did you push, turn it in or did you turn it out? No, I can't","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=574.09,580.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No, Koenig was doing his bit, and I was doing it at that time, in fact, the time that Brow's talking about, I was doing it with Brow. It was all a sort of interaction three-way. At the time Koenigs was doing? Sorry. No, Koeing was already hand-holding, but Koenigh sort of worked for himself. I think Wolf is one of the great spoilt talents of documentary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=580.41,598.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e So what about bro? Can you get a bro some of that, please?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=599.609,602.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and in Christmas, bro shot most of Christmas, a lot of Christmas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=603.4,606.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Did he shoot the one where they carry the money in with the gun and everything? No, workshop.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=606.57,610.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No, wolf shot that. This had tremendous effect. Wolf shot. You could say it's a part of the walking shot right there. And I think Wolfe is a guy who hasn't had the recognition. I would think, in the whole of North America, I don't think there's anybody in the U.S. Who brought up Penny Baker Leacock, I think they're absolute amateurs, compared to people like Breaux and Kearney. I mean, real gross amateurs. And I'm going to say that even now, Wolfe's problem is always looking for a girl, and Roman has overshadowed him. He's not really a film maker, Roman's a guy with a tremendous drive. Wolf has taste, but no drive, and how nuts, he has commitments, you know, people are beautiful, or old women are beautiful and married women are wonderful, that sort of, which is fatal. And Wolf did a film himself on what's called Steel Town, beautifully shot, which has absolutely nothing about a town which makes steel. Beautiful shooting, but all Wolf's hang-ups are in the film, inserted, you know, romantic, religious, Byzantine ceremonies. You know, Wolf's Jewish, I mean, it's not just when I say a hang-up, it is not because he likes Russian or Ukrainian singing, but sort of acres of Ukrainian singing because he's a sort of 19th century German romantic, I suppose, basically, and sort of concerned with God, the man, the eternal. And I'd lit up with Daly and Wilkins and Kearney, and I can remember the remark which came in. I said, they practice mental masturbation. I got drunk at a party and said this to somebody, who I'll never forget, who repeated it to them, was Graham Ferguson, who was actually Graham, who is Raman's brother-in-law, and I can repeat it, this remark. And that was the real firing pin of the whole thing, and it was a very accurate remark, but I wouldn't have said it if I hadn't been drunk.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=609.3,730.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You never did that. That is at the basis of your split, by the way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=734.59,741.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No, it wasn't the basis of the split, it was sort of the firing thing. No, the basis was the split. They were always looking for God in film, and they said one day, I don't think God goes to the movies. And, um, this didn't go over very well. I somehow don't think he does go to the motion picture. I hope he consigns most of them to the... To the dinner reaches of the Inferno. Filmmakers, I mean. But I think, really, somebody should do something on Wolf Koenigs, on the things that he shot. Not what the Romans produced or Tom Daly cut on him, but Wolf, again, acting as a cameraman director, you know, was there and shot a lot of Colin Low's films, or Wolf's films. I don't know what he does nowadays, I think as I said cynically, it doesn't matter for the tape, but the sort of ironic story of the film, Wolf will end up for Roman, who will become very rich, he's Ukrainian, he's bound to become rich for his Ukraine, with his multi-screen, you know, they have an enormous contract for Osaka in 1970, that Wolf will end up by humbly sweeping the cutting room floor. He'll come in at six and unlock, and Tamiyani's brash guy full of herdsmen will say, who's that gray-haired old [Unrecognized] who does the floors? And they'll say, oh, that's Wolf Kearney. You know, he just does the floor, and then he'll maybe look back and find that Wolf was the guy who made Roman's name in a number of films. You know it's a sort of tragedy, but I can see it happening like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=741.96,838.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e With their own.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=842.3,842.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e It's awful, because he is a... But he wouldn't... See, Wolf's real 98 was he was an absolutely fantastic cameraman, a very good animator as well. Alright, he didn't want to do animation, but he had an impeccable camera taste, not story taste. All the films that Wolf made have all sorts of hang-ups in them. Some of them were good. I was a £90 weakling. Well, that was quite... Wolf made that film entirely himself. Right, it was production, what was called production, Roman Rani office. That was Wolfsfeld and he shot it and dragged it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=843.609,881.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e It says Romanoff, but it didn't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=882.91,884.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No. No. And that's well, you know, but Roman really sort of made his reputation. Roman is a very bright shrewd, he's Ukrainian, which in Canadian terms, it's like saying he's New York Jewish. You know, here he's got a tremendous drive. But that was Wolf's film, that was his idea. He wanted to make it, and I had a row with him. I said, this is a snigger under the lavatory door. Go out and be open. You know, if you want to knock these people, then they are cooky and weird. Don't have a little sort of snigger at them. Have a good laugh, but don't peep under the garden door and then snigger. Which doesn't make it a bad film, but this was my point. This is where some of our arguments came up, because if I'd made it, I wouldn't have sniggered. I'd have said, all right, these people are very funny, and they will be funny absolutely in their own terms.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=884.2,935.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What time is it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=937.83,938.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Let's hope I stay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=939.62,940.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What else have we missed in the area that you'd like to get out? I'm going to go through that iAvign homage thing. Yeah, that's it. Uh-huh. I forgot what you said. Uh, they have a thing in there, which is... Well, let me say, let's get this, how much would you agree with the fact that Mark Rowan and all this saying that you were the man who really got it all started?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=945.89,968.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I don't think I got it started. I think the impetus, the sort of business impetus for getting the breaking to freedom is due to Roman and Wolf. I went out on the first film. They sort of got the money for it, you know, in the days before Christmas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=969.28,988.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e That was before blood and fire.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=988.74,989.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Blood and Fire was the net. It was the first film, you know, that I had thought of, which I thought of. But Death Before Christmas was a sort of pilot, an experiment. And Wolf and Roman got the impetus to do the film. Not me, they did it. But I sort of supervised most of it, most of the actual shooting. What kind of practice did you get on that? A director with Wolf, who also did, but Roman was back in the office. Roman isn't a director as such. He's a good choice. And he did Labyrinth. And you can see all the vices of Roman and Tom Daly in Labyrinth, you know, God, man's eternal journey through life. Labyrinths just turned me off, it really did, not just because I know them, but I don't want to go into a place and go to a dark room and be told, you know, the Labyrints, here you will discover your soul. That's real schlock Americana, I think. And then, you know, go and see all these films which are all designed and now at the end, you know, examine thyself. You know, on to the Rosicrucians and things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=990.97,1045.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Why do you rebel?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1048.02,1048.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Because I don't want to be told things. I'm not a preacher, I want everybody to agree with me, but I don't want to preach.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1049.79,1057.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, how do you expect to have an agreement with that preachment?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1060.79,1062.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't. That's why I'm not successful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1063.53,1064.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e HAHAHAHAHAHA","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1065.72,1065.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e And I'm full of contradictions, you know, that's why I fuck everything up. At the last moment, when everything's going well, I write the letter and say, I won't do the film, which is true because, for once, I bought, like the USIA, really, you, know, I didn't, I've stuck my head into so many nooses and had it run tight.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1068.94,1083.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Let's talk about that a little bit. Do you feel that? Most of the time you've gone ahead and done the film","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1085.42,1091.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I've just been badly done or I've got screwed or I balked at the wrong moment, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1091.66,1098.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and one of the...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1100.45,1101.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e What happened when you went ahead and did it? I sort of dropped down sick, which happened once, which I don't know what it was due to the film or not, but sick on a film, which could have been. But wherever I'd be forced into a film where the producers, per se, and they're sort of forcing a framework that I don t think will work, and yet I need the money.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1101.63,1120.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I see, so when there's a framework of things that you've, something has happened that you're, but you've gone ahead and done it, but this time you...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1121.31,1130.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, this is just my old age, I sort of...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1130.81,1133.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But now in your old age, what, you've refused to use a...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1133.61,1135.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I need the film, you know, I need money, but I just suddenly felt sort of again I'm starting to balk, like when I came into the film business and I realized my life had to change, take a sudden angle. And for the last two years I realized whatever I've been doing, I've got to move, I'm not certain where or what, but it's got to be something of a violent change of course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1137.799,1157.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Explain that a little bit","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1158.57,1159.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know, maybe sell a dodge card.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1160.64,1161.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Why, what do you think?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1163.76,1164.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Whatever I'm doing is not making anything interesting, I'm not working in a milieu that either, that where I'm appreciated or where I can work, this is the best thing about this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1165.74,1177.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, in New York.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1178.36,1179.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I've known that for some time, you know, but it's apparent to me. What my talents are such are not marketable there, but in the brute terms.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1180.12,1188.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Explain to me the split, why is it...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1190.29,1192.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know. Well, I mean, well, I can see that because what I make is a sort of personal sort of film-making. And people in New York like their films rather made by numbers. You know, the network wants one like such-and-such. Like I said earlier, all CBS films look the same. They could have, you know, they've probably got 300 people who have made films for CBS, but they all tend up to looking as if they've been made by one guy. One, you, know, guy who's sort of got most of his education out of E.B. Film. It's like a bit of Britannica. I don't know, I don' know. I'm just trying to find a way to start talking over it. Never be an intellectual in film. It's a bad thing. It is a real struggle. That's why so many people go off, I think, peripherally in the films. What is it you feel?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1192.22,1240.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What is it that you feel that isn't remarkable that you have?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1240.16,1242.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it's not marketable, but whatever special qualities are not worth it to anybody because they don't make that much difference. Let's put it that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1243.55,1250.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What are the special qualities that you feel?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1251.19,1253.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1254.31,1255.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Ha ha ha ha!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1256.56,1257.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Allow for a minute on location and a fight for the producer. Trying to sort of instill some cultural sense into him. There's acid crawling through this. No, this is a real problem, and I think it's something that a lot of people have suffered from, a number of people, is that when you work for people who are stupider than you are, it's impossible. And yet, in this business, you know, the way we're set up, 99% of the time one works for stupid people. And some people hide it and get themselves into the position of having other people work for them. This is nothing open to proof or anything, but it's a real creative dilemma and it's causing me a lot of trouble there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1259.2,1317.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Why would you abandon film? I mean, why have you not sat down and just said, this is the film I want to make, and go down and try to peddle it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1318.64,1325.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Because I never know, you know, I'm so imprecise, here's the subject, I sort of drift into film. If I have a freedom of a fair amount of drift, then I drift in here and they turn out well. But I don't have that hard, clear sight of that's the film. I mean, you want to make this film in the Middle West. You know, that's what you want do. I kind of want to a film here, or I kind want to do a film there. 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But I think that dilettanteism is a sort of fear of committing oneself to something which is going to make all sorts of ties. Of course, that's foolish, because by not committing yourself, you get into this terrible financial bind. You worry, and then you have to take every shrub piece of work going along. And the result is I'm forever shooting little bits and pieces for people to pay the rent. Yeah, I'm a self-taught cameraman. 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I know, but not on a commercial basis. You know, I am a good cameraman and I know it because I only have to look at it on the screen and see what somebody else is shooting. But I make money sort of illegally by shooting. And if I have to shoot for somebody else, you know their ideas, sometimes I help them, but it's frustrating because that's why I like to shoot and direct my own films. And you have complete control. 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It's easy to me. It is like a guy who throws three balls in the air. It doesn't create any pain to shoot good stuff. I don't really drain myself when I shoot. As far as I'm concerned, cynically, I can light very well. 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You know, something here, something there, something...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1451.48,1460.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What films have you done in the United States that you love to read or other directors?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1460.38,1465.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Did I read? Well, I did stone age, a bit of these things for stone age. Uh, the frost was...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1465.88,1470.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e How many films did you work for this time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1470.57,1472.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Three or four, I can't remember. The frost film was lit and matched in. The lighting to match it in was very complicated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1471.97,1479.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And it's you set up and now, in a very quick time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1481.75,1483.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah, I think it's huge. To match in the close-ups of those girls, they must have lit that thing in half an hour. I can feel the lighting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1484.1,1491.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e A normal setup in a room, how would you prefer for playing action and things like in the frost and stuff like that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1491.17,1496.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No, but I mean, you've got to get the cable, you know, the cable takes the time. But I just sort of precise and quick with my lighting and I don't fiddle around with it. I mean you can't, you just have to take an actual situation. But I mean the stony films are lit, the frost films lit, unmatched. There's no lighting. It's all exterior, the whole thing. That's just operating. 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It's not the film I would have made. 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I mean, one would have to change it for film.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1686.379,1689.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But basically, we'd like to do a story about, without even mentioning a novel, about what? A search for identity or a... 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It's denying your own identity, and this is still a George Baxter design. And he believed me, you know, get that, and we discussed him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1737.11,1746.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What's so funny, though, is that you have spent the last few years regretting the fact that you're not famous.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1747.99,1754.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, because I regret it I'm not famous because I want to work, you know, that's the real thing. And you know it's within a point if you're famous you work, if you are not famous you don't work. And I like working. I mean I'm not active but I like making films, let's put it that way. I like making films that I like. I hate making films I don't like. I'm forever making films but I don t like. But I only make enough of the films I that I don't like, and none of the films that I would like to make.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1754.81,1783.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But you're constantly putting yourself down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1784.73,1786.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well this is the thing, this is a man who denies his own identity, the guy in Stiller comes back and he's arrested and told he's Stiller and he denies everything, confronted with his mistress, his wife, he vanished, the man has vanished, you never know why they arrest him, he deniers it, he's taken to the studio where he works, he meets his friends, he Denies he ever knew them. Thank you so much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312#t=1787.35,1811.94"}]},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141780/file/262312/transcript/79520/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/079/520/original/trint_Coll458_jb0031_MacartneyFilgate_02_p2_transcript.vtt?1747070276","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/079/520/original/trint_Coll458_jb0031_MacartneyFilgate_02_p2_transcript.vtt?1747070276"}]}]}]}