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She describes growing up in Eugene and what the city was in those years. In school, she was involved in band, choir and theater. She recognized herself as lesbian in the third grade, but had no words to describe it. She graduated from Sheldon High School in 1967. She married a man in 1974, and later they came out together, and divorced. Karm had a lesbian relationship from 1975 until 1983 and came out completely in 1984. In Eugene, she worked a number of different jobs, including the final months of Starflower Natural Foods \u0026amp; Botanicals and as partner with two other lesbians in the Three Sisters Painting Company. In 1987 she returned to the UO to finish her degree and began working for the City of Eugene as an usher at the Hult Center for the Performing Arts, and ultimately became the Cultural Services Division Manager overseeing The Hult Center, Cuthbert Amphitheater, Public Art, and Community Events in Eugene. She founded the Soromundi Lesbian Chorus of Eugene in 1989. She and Lisa Hellemn discuss various aspects of directing Soromundi and the reception of the chorus in Eugene and Springfield. They discuss forming the lesbian band Complicated, in 2001. She discusses Sheryl, her partner of 33 years, and their daughter Bailey, who was born in 1992. She describes the group \"Happy Lesbian Couples\" she helped form in 1989. She talks about the school district and the Spanish Immersion School. During the 1980s and 1990s, Karm was active in combating the anti-gay ballot measures. Karm retired from the City in 2013, and Complicated and Soromundi in 2017. Lisa Hellemn is now the Soromundi director.\n\nKey terms: Alternative insemination; Ballot Measure 8; Ballot Measure 9; Human; Eugene School District 4J; Hult Center for the Performing Arts (Eugene, Or.); Lesbian mothers  --  United States; Oregon Citizens Alliance; Quackenbush Hardware Store (Eugene, Oregon); Parenting; Self-insemination.\n\nLisa: Lisa was born in Salem, Oregon in 1962 and grew up mainly in Stayton, Oregon. Lisa's mother was a British \"War Bride\" who relocated to Oregon after World War II. Lisa had a happy childhood in the Detroit Valley. She was not aware of lesbianism growing up. She went to Willamette University, where she double-majored in physics and music. She talks about the politically conservative south Oregon coast and about her effort to come out to her parents. Lisa was a co-director of the Soromundi Lesbian Chorus of Eugene. She discusses the dynamics of the choir, and the problems associated with managing a large group of people, many of whom are strong-willed. Lisa discusses leading by example. Lisa and Karm discuss the kinds of music the choir sang and the choir's meager finances. Soromundi became a non-profit in 1991, and formed a board. Over the years, there have been about 1,400 people involved with Soromundi. When Karm left the choir in 1993, Lisa became director. Lisa also talks about the anti-gay ballot measures and the Oregon Citizens Alliance. Lisa and Karm discuss the requirements for membership in the choir and the risks of performing publicly. Lisa went to graduate school at UO. She discusses music education and special education. Lisa now works in the College of Education, teaching special education to graduate students.\n\nKey terms: Bisexuality; Coming out (sexual orientation); Gender nonconformity; Hainsworth, Joy; Hult Center for the Performing Arts (Eugene, Or.); Mother's Day Concert; Non-binary people; Soromundi Lesbian Chorus of Eugene; Transgender people."]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Karm Hagedorn (Interviewee)","Lisa Hellemn (Interviewee)","Judith L. 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The recordings will be made available through the University of Oregon Libraries’ Special Collections and University Archives. This is an oral history interview with Karm Hagedorn and Lisa Hellemn, on August 3, 2018 taking place in the University of Oregon Libraries’ recording studio in the Center for Media and Educational Technologies. The interviewers are Linda Long, Curator of Manuscripts in the University of Oregon Libraries’ Special Collections and University Archives and Professor Judith Raiskin of the UO Department of Women's, Gender and Sexuality Studies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3.48,47.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Karm and Lisa, please let us know if you agree to be recorded for this project and that you give your permission for the university to preserve and make available your recorded and transcribed interviews.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=48.75,60.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: I do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=60.45,61.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Absolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=61.22,61.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Thank you. Welcome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=61.94,63.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=64.37,65.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So, if you could start Karm, first, and tell us a little bit about where you were born, when you were born, something about your family background or something about your early life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=65.05,75.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Okay. I'm a Eugene native. I was born in October of '49 and grew up here my whole life. Went to Sheldon High School where my daughter went years later. So it was really hard to try to be an adult when I went back to high school for her events. I was one of the gang and Eugene was one of those kind of classic fifties, early sixties places to grow up, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=75.21,106.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was good for me. I was involved in band and choir and theater in school, and that kind of helped me form who I was and who I've been for the rest of my life. I was in community theater after school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=106.71,135.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I spent a year or so here [at UO] and then some time at Lane and I didn't finish my degree at the time. But was involved in community theater and met a man that was my best friend, and we were both only children and we thought, Well, let's do this marriage thing, knowing that we were both gay, gay and lesbian. We married in December of '74 and had a great time together and realized not too far in that the marriage was not really going to work for us because we both wanted relationships with people that were monogamous and with the right sex.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=135.57,188.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Why did you decide to get married?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=188.68,191.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: I ask myself that same question now and again. I believe that there was some self-imposed pressure that we felt like might've been societal, and the way we talked about it was we thought we could pull it off. And that tells me something. At least that's the narrative that we both went forward with. We can pull this off, and our parents were thrilled and all that stuff. When we started having other relationships that developed then into relationships with people that we wanted to be with, we realized that we couldn't pull it off.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=197.27,241.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: When did you realize you were lesbian?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=241.45,243.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: I had different feelings about girls in the third grade, and I just sat on that forever, it seemed. I did not come out until after I met Don, we didn't come out together until after we were married. But I didn't have a relationship until about six months into our marriage. And it was with a woman I worked with at the U of O bookstore. And we ended up being together for seven, eight years. But even in our togetherness, we weren't out, out. We moved to Newport and worked there. People knew that we lived together, they probably knew, but nobody talked about anything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=244.4,307.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What year was this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=308.32,309.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: We were together from '78 to '84. Well, we moved to Newport in '78, we got together in '75. Newport was a place that you could just sort of be whoever you were and people think of it kind of as a more redneck fisherman, timber industry place. But the good thing about that is that there were so many different kinds of people there that it didn't really matter. We were accepted for whoever people thought we were most places we went. After we split up, I started to meet some other lesbians in Newport and it was a small handful of people, but we formed a softball team and we played people from Lincoln City and Angel Job Corps had a girls team, so we had a lot of fun doing that. But it wasn't till the summer of ‘84 that I was in the Portland Pride Parade, and I was walking along thinking, this is it. No going back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=309.73,387.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Were you still married at that time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=388.77,389.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: No, we divorced in '79 after not living together for several years, just finally did the paperwork. We remained really good friends. And he moved to Seattle and then back to Portland. And then I was in Portland for a while before I got back to Eugene in '85. And in his cavorting around, he contracted AIDS and he died in '89 and it was the saddest thing to that point in my life and I miss him to this day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=389.9,426.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There wasn't ever any talk of children because that wasn't why we got married, that wasn't part of the pulling it off, that was the later for me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=428.64,438.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Before we switch gears, I'd like to ask what year were you born?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=439.76,445.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Forty-nine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=445.56,446.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Forty-nine. So what was Eugene like as a city when you were growing up? It must've had more of a small town feel, but can you give us your impressions of what Eugene was like at that time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=446.25,458.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: I didn't know any place else and it was bigger than where I would go visit my family in Florence where my mom grew up and it was a bigger than Springfield. It felt like a big city to me. We didn't go to Portland very often, and didn't go on major vacations until later where I got to see places like Victoria and Vancouver and Calgary and different big cities.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=458.11,491.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But like I said, I think it was kind of the quintessence of the Eisenhower years where we lived in a— it was called The Village out where Gateway is now, real close to Gateway, and it's still there, but that's where it is. And Harlow Road, the pavement ended right where I-5 is now, which wasn't there then. And then it became gravel and then it became dirt. And I grew up in the cornfields and we'd take the railroad tracks down through the corn fields and watch pheasants fly up out of the fields. We got to ride our bikes to Armitage Park and go to the river and catch pollywogs in the irrigation ditch, and it was a good, good childhood. We'd follow the DDT trailer coming through our neighborhood with our bikes and it's like, Oh, yay! Who knew? Stuff like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=492.79,557.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What was downtown like? Do you remember downtown?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=557.65,559.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Yeah, Willamette Street was the gut, we'd drag the gut in the later years, and there was a Twenty-ninth and Willamette A\u0026W Root Beer place where you'd drive down there and circle around that and then drive back the other way, come down to where the Hult Center is now was the Heilig Theater and we'd turn around about there and come back and that was the gut. It was just Penney’s and Bon Marche and a bunch of little stores and Broadway and Kaufman's and Woolworth's and Newberry's. Thank you. Yes. And Quackenbush’s. That was a store that was really old school, it's where the J Michaels is now and a couple of other things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=559.57,617.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And you'd go in and you'd buy whatever you wanted to buy, hardware-type store, and they had everything like china and silverware and nails and you'd pay and they'd put your money in the can and whizzzz! send it up this wire thing and they'd make change up in the little change room and whizzzz! down your change would come and off you would go. So little special places like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=617.26,641.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Let's switch to Lisa for your early life—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=641.29,646.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Please.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=646.26,646.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And we'll come back together. Tell us something about your—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=646.55,649.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Okay. I was born in Salem and grew up more of my time in Stayton, but I grew up in a little bit different household because my mother was British, and she was a war bride and they met when he was stationed over there and they got married and came here after the war. She relocated here and they relocated in Stayton and up the Detroit Valley area. So I was in a smaller town.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=649.56,685.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And what year were you born?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=685.16,685.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Nineteen sixty-two. And it was kind of the same thing, kind of all-American. It was a smaller town, but the same type of kind of ag background, down at the river, outside all day, every day adventuring, and my mother also really wanted us to kind of have some culture so there were music lessons and school was important and a big value in all of that. And then I was very fortunate because my mother really didn't want me to think America was the center of the universe, and so we traveled to see my family overseas. I was very fortunate to get several trips back to see other family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=690.29,747.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then my dad's family was here, so I had had grandparents and cousins and things here as well. Let me see, the high points would be. I'm really not very clued in on the whole lesbian thing. Much more kind of, I don't know how I identify exactly, it depends on the day you ask me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=747.66,773.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But certainly more towards the bisexual because it didn't really occur to me as much and I can go back and like think, Oh, well, some of those things should have clued me in. I'll never forget riding home from, I think it was OMSI, some family thing. And one of my parents' friends was sitting in the back, and I remember falling asleep against her and when I woke up thinking I could die right now and I'd be happy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=776.36,812.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There were these moments that it should have gave me a clue, but it didn't. Then I was going out and I even got engaged really briefly and I knew something wasn't right, but I had no clue. I didn't know until I was in college. And it finally occurred to me and had an encounter with a close friend and it was like, “Oh!” And I was like so thrilled because like, “Oh, this makes total sense.” The other person was freaked out, but I thought, Wow, this is good, this makes more sense. But I don't know what else would be important about growing up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=813.82,867.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Did you come to college at UO then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=867.8,870.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: No, I went to Willamette University, and I actually knew in third grade that I wanted to go there and I wanted to study. I was kind of a weird kid, I was a little odd. I was pursuing my master plan.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=870.94,890.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you know what you wanted to study?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=890.7,893.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Yeah, I wanted to study science and music. I was a double major in physics and music.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=894.1,899.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And what did you know of Eugene?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=899.47,904.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: My dad was the person who had the biggest information about Eugene. He felt like Eugene was a very progressive place and that it was because of the university and there was a lot of good freethinking people in Eugene, that was it. His whole goal in life was to have kids who were able to think for themselves, and make good decisions and be good people. He had that, and he always contrasted that with, of course, Corvallis where he said, “Well, that's a more conservative place because of all the farmers and the “ag” kids and that's where they're going to send their kids. He had some big stereotypes about the different places along the Valley.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=910.1,964.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But there's some truth to it, but nah. He didn't really quite understand how extreme the reputation and stereotype was about Eugene until actually later in his life when I took him— he wanted to explore Oregon. He loved geology, so we took this crazy tour of Oregon and visited all the places he wanted to go. And we got over to a place far East, the Owahi, and they wouldn't rent us a boat because we were from the “Republic of Eugene.” And they had figured out that the woman I was with, we had walked in together and so they had decided to refuse to rent us a boat.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=964.56,1024.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What year was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=1024.49,1025.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: I'm going to guess that it was about '93, '94. He came in and I gave him the scoop and he was appalled. He was appalled that in his state, that could be the way things were. And I said, yeah dad, you need to get out and get out more and see what kinds of things are going on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=1025.98,1050.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So were you out to your parents?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=1051.61,1055.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Oh, coming out. Let's see. That's an interesting thing just because it hadn't occurred to me to come out. I went off to school, figured it out and then I moved away to teach. I was a teacher. I moved down the south coast near Bandon and down there, there were no groups. I had the same experience as Newport because Newport was like— there was also the arts community and there's so many different kinds of people. And down the South coast in the Coos Bay and the Bandon area, there weren't as many people that were out, everyone was very, very closeted. And I was really surprised by that in some ways. But then a couple of friends and I, we started a newsletter down there to try to get some community started. We were doing that and then it became very, very— I was told by this community that we had gathered together that coming out was a really, really big deal and that I really had to do it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=1056.59,1127.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Like it was a rite of passage and that you really couldn't call yourself a lesbian or anything if you hadn't come out and confronted your parents in some kind of— I don't know, it was really interesting. I considered it for the first time and I kind of was gearing up for it and I invited the parents down, because in my family it's more a little bit more European in that the assumption is that you're going to make the right decisions and you're going to lead your life the way you need to do, but you don't need to like pronounce it to everybody. But I was gearing up, I invited them down, got a reservation at a restaurant early so there wouldn't be lots of people, got seated, my dad went off to the restroom and my mother just leaned in and said, “How are things going down here? You know, because it's a little bit small.” I was like, Oh, they already know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=1127.14,1189.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What a silly thing. I felt really pressured at that point, and that was like, I don't know, like '83, '84. Really pressured that coming out was like this thing that had to be done in a certain way or that you weren't legit. I mean, it was really interesting because my background just didn't really align with that. That was kind of interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=1193.72,1225.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Let's go back to Karm. What brought you back to Eugene and then how did you find Eugene in terms of lesbian community when you came back?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=1225.38,1233.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: I had just moved from Newport to Portland and friends introduced me to a woman who lived here. We got together and I moved back to Eugene in the spring of '85, and she was well ensconced in the lesbian community. She died a couple years ago and when I first heard about this I thought, Wow, it's so too bad that Laurie McClain can't be part of this process. And you may have heard her name before, but I'll say it again. Because she was feet on the ground activist, really involved, even wrote a book I think, and I was hoping you could get your hands on. This Could Happen Here or something like that, I don't even have one but I hope you do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=1236.01,1297.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yeah, we're aware of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=1297.73,1299.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Okay, good. I got back to Eugene and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=1299.0,1303.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How did you meet Laurie?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=1303.45,1304.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Friends introduced us at the coast, at their house. Yeah. Let's see. Came back in the spring of '85, started a painting company, Three Sisters Painting, because I learned to paint houses in Portland when I lived up there for a year between Newport and here, and thought, well I could do this. So I did and that lasted a couple of years and then I was kind of itchy for what to do next and I worked at Starflower for their last six months, and it was time to find something else. I went back to school. I had started some counseling at the time, and realized that I was indeed smart enough to go back to college. So I did. And I got a degree in sociology, women's studies and English, which propelled me right out into the job market [chuckles].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=1304.6,1366.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Well, it worked out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=1366.66,1371.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: It worked out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=1371.9,1372.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: It was the skill set you needed, eventually.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=1372.58,1374.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: That's right. When I was going to school, I was in a couple of choirs here on campus and really enjoyed the singing again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=1374.82,1385.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then I was out of school. Oh, in the meantime I got a job ushering at the Hult Center, and one thing led to another at the Hult Center. After I graduated, I got a clerical job there, entry level.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=1385.71,1399.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Tell us what the Hult Center is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=1400.6,1401.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: The Hult Center for the Performing Arts. By now thirty-six year old building in downtown Eugene, which I helped petition for when people would come out of MacArthur Court having attended a symphony. That got built in—bond measure passed in ‘78, opened in ‘82 and I started ushering there in '88. And I was the events manager for seventeen years after that clerical job, and then applied for the Hult Center manager in '07, and got that job. And then two years later, my boss retired and I became the Cultural Services Division Director for the City of Eugene, which oversaw the Hult Center, Cuthbert, public art and community events.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=1401.24,1452.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was such a good job for me. It wasn't easy and it was managing people, and all kinds of people and passionate artists that wanted a whole bunch for not very much money.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=1455.19,1467.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And commercial promoters who— some people you just hope you never have to deal with, but I did. And so managed the staff of 150 and again, really diverse staff from ushers to stage crew to marketing and programming and all of those areas. And I really did love it. And I retired in August of '13, and while I loved it, I don't hardly ever go back there. I miss some of the people, but I walked away from my work and I'm fully ensconced in retirement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=1468.04,1505.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But back to the singing, I enjoyed the choirs at the university, and I thought watching a Portland Pride Parade with some friends in the summer of '88, Pat Shirley said to me, as the Portland lesbian choir went by—they were a year old by then— “Karm, you should start one of these in Eugene.” I said, “Well, maybe after I graduate.” I graduated in August of '89 and the next month I started a choir, and I called some friends and there were six of us and Sheryl.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=1506.5,1550.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheryl's my partner, Sheryl Bernheine, six of us in our living room, and we sang songs that we knew from high school and we sang Beatle songs along with the record.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=1550.88,1562.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And one week led to the next and we started moving to different people's houses each week. And then by January, I think, it became necessary for us to have a rehearsal venue.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=1562.8,1575.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There were seventeen of us at the first performance in the Unitarian Universalist Church. I think we sang three songs and we were very well received. That March we sang at the Women's Day celebration downtown and it was all a cappella and stuff that I had arranged mostly three-part harmonies for, and taught them like feeding a little bird. I'd sing a part and then they'd sing it back and I'd sing the other part and they'd sing it back. And finally nobody had anything written down. Week after week we'd sing those same parts and we finally got, so we had, I don't know, ten or twelve songs under our belts and we were really proud of ourselves. That first year was monumental.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=1576.22,1625.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had an awareness that I wasn't just starting a choir, that these people were coming together for more reasons than singing. When the next September rolled around, we were at the Eugene Celebration and there was a stage on Willamette and they asked us to sing. And that was kind of amazing because that was exposure and people from all over town were going to see us, and we had named the choir by then and it was Soromundi Lesbian Chorus of Eugene. And lots of lesbian choirs in the country didn't even have lesbian in their name, but that was really important to us. There it was on the banner and who, but who should come up to me afterwards and say, “Ever think of having an accompanist for your choir?” And Lisa introduced herself, and so we started chatting and I said, matter of fact, that would be great. So come on down. She started joining us at rehearsals and off we went.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=1630.52,1699.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Was it hard for some women to be in the choir because it was out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=1699.58,1704.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: It was impossible for some women to be in the choir.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=1706.6,1709.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: A lot of talented women.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=1709.38,1712.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Yeah, talented or not, I mean, Soromundi was never an audition choir. We didn't know if anybody had any talent until they start singing. And my theory in starting the choir was we can all sing if we all sing together. Some people believe they can't sing, and I've found that that's a myth. I'd say ninety-nine out of a 100 times, there've been a few people that have proved me wrong. Somehow they just can't break through that place to learn how to carry a tune, and I believe that's all about listening, but that's a whole other interview. 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Well, I thought because I had some training and skills in the area, I thought I might be able to lend a hand. 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But then when I arrived, what I found was a lot of like— you correct me if I say this the wrong way or if I'm too strong in it. But it seemed like a lot of people who didn't trust any leadership, were searching to find their own voices and they would block just because they had the power to raise an objection. I mean, really difficulty trusting leadership.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=1816.35,1848.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Karm was a great leader and a strong leader, but everyone was trying to express themselves. I think everyone felt like they were very much into feeling empowered to make decisions, even if they had no skill, or weren't thinking about the decisions they were making. 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And that's really powerful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=1874.49,1880.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: It was about a year later that I went and I was talking with my mother and I said, “Boy, I am working with a really interesting group of women down in Eugene.” And I said, “I don't know if I know how to work with them.” And we had some really interesting talks about the choir, and she said, “You can only lead by example, you can't lead by telling.” But we had some really interesting conversations about how she would approach a group like that who were very mistrusting of authority and leadership because they wanted their own way, wanted to reinvent a way. It was a real culture shock for me. And it was really hard because I feel like I come from a little more of objective place where I was like, you're all about diversity, but you're also making really hard decisions about things, and sometimes to the exclusion of certain people. And that didn't make sense to me either.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=1885.01,1965.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was culture shock for me because I hadn't experienced the more kind of radical— and I have so much more appreciation now, but maybe I was a little younger and hadn't gone through some of the things that I hadn't gone through the same certainly rejection and some of the what would you say, it's almost damage, we've gone through so much trauma. 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People were carrying a lot of baggage that I didn't understand at the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2016.95,2027.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What were some of the objections or conflicts that came up?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2027.7,2031.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Well, it was mistrust of whatever my motives appeared to be. And the thing that finally made me snap and take a five year hiatus in year five, was I had met a really talented woman at a music camp and I came back and I wanted her to open for us at our annual concert, and I wasn't able to be at that meeting where they were going to decide that or how much to offer her or whatever. I was naive in thinking it would just happen, and I heard back that I had sent someone to do my bidding and how dare I assume that this was going to happen. It seemed so simple to me. And even after five years in, I was naïve. But everything I tried to do in order to further the, I would say professionalism, because that's the business I was in, in the performing arts, further the professionalism whether it be no tank tops on stage or who knows, it was met with this hard resistance. 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And up until that time officially I was the director and Lisa was the accompanist, but people didn't see what happened backstage in the rehearsal room where she was doing a lot of the “moving us forward musically,” with her—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2138.53,2165.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Well, yes and no. Because you were always such a strong—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2165.54,2170.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Well, that's why it worked though. That's what we've always said. 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I had some of the skills to be able to save us time and be efficient.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2189.03,2197.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What kind of songs did you sing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2197.24,2200.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn/Hagedorn: [sings] “Chains, my baby's got me locked up in chains.” That didn't go over very well. [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2200.2,2206.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: It did with a certain group.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2206.79,2209.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: It did with a certain group. That's the group that prevailed actually. We sang a lot of early women's music and folk songs and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2209.49,2220.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Testimony—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2221.51,2223.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Yeah. Ferron, Testimony, lots of Sweet Honey stuff, because it was easy to teach.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2223.01,2227.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Tumbleweed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2228.55,2229.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Yeah. My first pop tune was an arrangement of Tumbling Tumbleweeds, and Don't Fence Me In. 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You needed a certain amount of money to operate the choir. How did that work?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2239.88,2251.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Well, right off the bat, even in that first year, everybody who wanted to stayed and sat down on the risers that we stood on to rehearse in Whiteaker Elementary, which is now I don't know what, but old school in the Whit— is it even still there? Everybody stayed for the business meeting. I think there might've been dues even that first year, but we didn't need much. We printed T-shirts and paid for those ourselves and there wasn't music to handout, and I didn't get any money.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2251.27,2289.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: When you would perform somewhere, let's say you're performing at the Hult Center, was there a booking fee for that? 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And there's been a strong board ever since and one of those positions, one of those chairs is finance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2303.1,2352.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: It's grown into a really healthy organization. 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How many people are in it now, and how much turnover has there been over the years?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2367.99,2377.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Starting season thirty, which has always been confusing because '89 is when we started the choir. 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I think there were eighty-nine on stage in our last spring concert.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2395.16,2402.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And have these people participating changed over the years?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2402.04,2406.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: They always do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2406.08,2406.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2406.43,2407.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Because people have different things going on in their lives.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2407.81,2410.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So can you estimate how many people have been involved with Soromundi over the thirty years?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2410.99,2416.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Oh my gosh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2416.17,2417.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: I did this not too long ago. And I was thinking it must be in the like twelve, thirteen, 1,400 people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2417.52,2424.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Yeah. Because people come into town, and they're here and they spend two or three years with us and then they move into other areas or they move from other areas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2424.92,2436.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Is it interesting gauge about the lesbian community in Eugene over the years. If you've got 1,200, 1,300 people over the years who have been part of this one cultural—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2436.78,2445.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Interestingly enough, when I went back to school in '87, I became really aware of the town and gown thing. And it's still kind of rare except for Lisa and a couple of people where university people and Soromundi intersect. I can only think of a handful that have lasted any time at all. I want to go back to the health of the organization for a sec. I did take a hiatus because I really couldn't put up with the resistance anymore. And one of the reasons that I didn't want to was because we had a new baby and our little dear baby was born in November of '92 and I left the choir in March of '93.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2445.94,2506.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Lisa, bless her heart, kept it going. You can talk about the ways that you did that, but I think it's really important to know that as an entity, the fact that it's still here, really the existence was in the balance at that point. And lots of choirs have come and gone just because of this very same thing, and particularly back in those days.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2509.12,2539.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But among the many things you did to keep it going was to decide to not put up with any crap. I don't know how you did that because there was a lot to put up with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2540.56,2556.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What where your strategies?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2556.82,2558.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Well, it's too bad that this tape is going to be made public. I hate to give all my—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2558.2,2568.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: You can say as much or as little as you want to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2569.19,2572.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: I find that in leadership, especially with this particular organization as much as my mother preached leading by example, there was also a part of my mother's teaching style that was somewhat manipulative. I was raised to think that a good teacher was a master manipulator, but was doing it all for the right reasons. And so I really thought that first of all, the group had no idea what they were losing, in losing Karms' leadership. And they had no idea of the power that leadership could have, but at the same time, they really wanted to be empowered. So there was kind of a two- pronged approach where they had to feel like their future was in their own hands. I entered into a contractual agreement with them about finding them a replacement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2572.4,2645.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"First of all, I told them that their main goal should be to find a replacement director. And that, that's where they should spend some of their energy knowing that anyone who had the formal training that they sought— They were seeking someone who had some training, knowing that anyone that had that formal training and that was what they were really looking for, would not be interested in leading that group, because of some of the difficulties that we've talked about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2646.39,2684.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The other side of that was to talk to them about, until that point, here's what I would need to lead your group. That ended up where I could get leverage to put a few things in place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2686.34,2703.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One of those things was that they couldn't just stop rehearsal and question my decision about whether we were going to do this or that in the music. If it had to do with music, it was in my authority. I couldn't have used that word. But it was my responsibility, that would be a better word. Because you couldn't even say business committee. Then steering became an issue. I mean the language was so— why we got hung up with language I can’t remember.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2704.8,2746.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: PTSD!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2746.52,2749.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: So we did that, and I left rehearsal twice. I had to leave two rehearsals, where I said, “This is fine for you to do this, but then I'm not able to lead your group.” I had to really hold them to that. And I said, “You make the decision about whether you want me to lead you through this time or not.” And it was really hard. It was really hard. And I had many conversations with my mother about how I was going to deal with this group of people that thought that they were so enlightened and forward thinking, but they couldn't trust each other. That was really hard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2750.83,2797.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: You don't have to name names but were there were a few bad eggs who caused problems or was it like pervasive?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2797.47,2805.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Well, with the perspective that I have now, I would say there is no such thing as a bad egg. I mean, even the people that we deal with now who have past issues that they bring, traumas, or mental health needs or challenges, it's messy part of leadership and especially in such— Because Karm is right, I would say only a third of the choir is there just because of music. There are people that are there because they need acceptance. They need a community and they need acceptance for the unique people that they are, and the unique challenges that they offer a social community. There are people that really do want a social aspect. There are people who are activists, and there are people who have very different views from one another. And I think that's where I think the biggest success of the group is that we have a healthy organization that allows for that diversity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2808.56,2880.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mean, we still are challenged. We are challenged by the discussions in education we have around trans issues, around open membership issues and all of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2880.36,2891.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: But we have a grievance policy that's in the handbook, and we just have everything in place to—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2891.72,2900.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: To ensure that we can get through the tougher times.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2900.55,2904.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Yeah. Those of us that are so inclined look at the needs for sustainability and sit around the board table once a month and think what's it going to take, to take care of this? And then that gets put in place. It's a work in progress and always will be, but there are certain things you can plan for and certain things that you can't, and those still come up. But there's so many good heads at the table, that—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2905.36,2937.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: And there's a culture now of more mature kind of—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2937.72,2943.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Which is the “by example thing.” too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2943.27,2945.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: I'm thinking of the specific dates that you had to step away in ’93— Bailey's born in ‘92, and then that's also when Measure 9 comes through. Was Soromundi involved with fundraising or performing for any of these ballot measures, or any gay political activities?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2945.78,2967.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Absolutely. I think the first one that I recall is the one over in the Springfield City Hall steps when Springfield had a city ordinance. And that was the first one I think that we got.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2967.61,2981.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Three-ninety-four?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2982.22,2983.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: But we were at a lot of different rallies and we were at the OCA, when it got defeated up and then Downtown Athletic Club. We were in all of those. In fact, we would rewrite songs, we would rewrite the lyrics to songs and sing them about the OCA, or wouldn't it be nice if we could marry. It was like we were always doing things like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=2983.3,3018.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So many of your songs, as I recall some were just, just plain beautiful. Others had a double entendre or be able to say things like, “Wouldn't it be nice if we could marry?” in a time period where it wasn't a reality. But the songs as even as they were written, sung by different people meant something different. Can you tell us something about your choice of music and songs?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3018.08,3044.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Give Song Selection a go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3044.78,3047.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Oh my gosh. So this group, they're pretty amazing. They choose two thirds, 70 percent of the music that they're going to sing. And that makes it hard on us, because we then have to arrange it and figure out how to make that happen. But it's really great because they all come together, and not only do you get lots of different ideas, so we are so nontraditional, non-choral traditional. But they come together and they bring lots of ideas and they play them all, and then they go through them and they sift through them and then they look at variety. And I mean over the years they've really gotten really good and it's a very democratic process.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3047.69,3103.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: This is like seventy people out of the choir that show up for this one day. And there's been a lot of pre-work that goes into it where people submit by April, somebody sifts, somebody now gets a little snippet of the chorus and the pertinent verses and somebody else knows where to queue it up during the big day and everybody has little dots that they get to vote on this title and that title and “Well, what are you going to do with your seven dots?” And you can't load up a song and you have to have so many in this genre, so many in that genre.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3103.73,3136.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: It's become quite a really amazing process. And it's the only group in the country that does that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3136.65,3145.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: And that was from early on, we had that going at the end of year one. We got together and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3145.71,3151.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: We wanted to have the membership have a voice in what they were doing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3151.95,3157.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: And part of the impetus for me to start this choir to sing was that I always had the lowest voice of all the women, and I wanted to be in a woman's choir that had that low rich part for me to sing. When I would divide the group up into three, the low part was something that women had not been able to sing before, if they didn't have this, at least alto-two range where you could get up to whatever, and then on up. And I always sang with the tenors. My high school director allowed me to sing with the tenors, the boys, so I was the girl tenor. And I did that in choirs at the university as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3157.32,3205.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then Lisa came along and made all that, I was going to say official, but knew how to score things and so forth, but she carries that on and that to this day there's a nice low bass part and then it goes all the way up to whatever our capacity is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3208.58,3229.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you tell us about the Mother's Day concerts?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3229.41,3232.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: It started to be our spring concert was kind of around the Mother's Day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3235.36,3242.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: But I think it was because of the availability of the venues.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3242.11,3245.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When we were young, we could get Campbell Center for not very much money because it was available that day because nobody else wanted to rent it on Mother's Day. So, then the Campbell Center thing turned into Hult Center Studio, and then the Studio turned into Soreng. And it was on Mother's Day for a long time. Then it was Mother's Day Eve when we went to the Saturday night thing. But then it became the third Saturday when we were ensconced, the Hult Center’s schedule. And that has recently changed and it's too bad.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3246.83,3281.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There’s so many resident companies at the Hult Center now that want the Studio, that next year is the first year that we've been kind of relegated—to my way of thinking after running that calendar for so many years—to Memorial Day weekend?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3281.08,3298.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: I can't remember.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3298.97,3300.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: I think it's the Saturday of Memorial Day and we'll see what happens.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3300.03,3303.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How many people in the audience would come to hear your Mother's Day concerts?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3303.23,3308.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: How many does Campbell seat? About a hundred. And then when we moved to the Studio, that capacity there is about 225. And we would fill them most of the time. We filled Soreng technically once, and then very close, many years in a row lately.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3310.54,3331.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How many does that hold, Soreng?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3331.7,3334.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Oh almost 500.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3335.66,3336.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: That's a big concert.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3336.87,3338.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Yeah. And that's just right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3338.66,3340.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: I have to say, too, that in terms of values and like the whole getting the membership involved in the song selection is a really huge thing. I think the other thing that's really interesting and different about this group is it really is a community choir. Anyone can walk in the door— well, identified as a woman—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3341.96,3372.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: That took a year to process. You had to identify as a woman to join the choir.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3372.97,3379.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: —and join the choir. Yeah. It's not audition. You can be a person who can't match pitches and join the choir and have a place to be in work on that. And even though that presents a lot of challenges for us musically, it's also a really important aspect of who we are. I don't know of organizations that are that wide open that get to go every year and be on the Hult Center stage, and that to some of our membership who haven't had a background in performing, that is just a really amazingly special opportunity to really push all year and work towards a production at that level. We've been at various places up and down during the years and in and the groups that we've had, but we try to keep a trajectory going, and it really seems like we're at a place where it doesn't matter who walks in the door, we can pull this off now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3380.3,3451.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Are there women who couldn't be in the choir because of not being out in the beginning of the choir who were able to join later?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3452.01,3461.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3461.17,3462.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3463.86,3464.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Yeah. Teachers could only rehearse and sometimes not even that, they weren't confident enough that they wouldn't be seen going in and out of this particular building on Tuesday night at seven o'clock or whenever it was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3464.64,3480.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And then they could join after they retired?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3482.94,3485.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Either after things loosened up a little bit culturally, or yeah, they'd been working long enough that their staff might have by then known that they were lesbians, and then it was OK and then legislation happened and the progression made it more safe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3486.31,3511.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Were there people who rehearsed with you but didn't perform?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3511.37,3514.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3514.52,3514.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: There still are a few that don't always feel, because there might be a photo or a Facebook image that goes up and so they're not always so inclined to be okay with that. But very few compared to how it was in the beginning.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3515.6,3537.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: And we have to have them sign things about photographs, that's something that came up that we had to take care of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3538.19,3544.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Are there any trans women in the choir?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3544.82,3547.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: There have been.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3547.48,3549.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Not right now that I know of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3549.47,3552.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Well, that's a really hard question sometimes because of privacy. Certainly there are people in the choir who identify as queer, or sometimes gender fluid and so—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3552.57,3572.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Non-binary—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3572.16,3573.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Yeah, definitely different things. In fact, the first time that we had to really work on understanding transgender issues more was we had a couple of different women who were going to transition.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3573.25,3594.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: To become men?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3594.02,3594.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: To become men. And while they were going through the early— it was really hard for them because they were leaving their community, they were being asked to leave their community. And then on top of that because they were no longer identifying them, that was kind of difficult, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3595.09,3617.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thanks to a couple of the women who were brave enough to bring up those issues. And they came in and started—And then we had a member, Joy, was our oldest member for a number of years and very involved in her church and needed to know more about this. She invited a couple of women to her farm and they had discussion groups, and they created a lending library.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3621.21,3655.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Joy Hainsworth. You should get her name on tape.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3656.52,3658.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Yeah. She was really wanting to understand this more, and she made it her priority to get discussion going about this so that we could be of support to the women who were leaving the choir to transition. And then we have had a male to female person who joined the choir and was there for a season and a half. And I wish I knew more about the experience, and whether they felt supported, but to me it's a member of the choir. We'd do what we can leadership-wise, but I don't know what the behind the scenes always is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3658.63,3717.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Well, it always depends on somebody's social skills, and somebody's ability to fit in or whatever you want to call that, about how accepted one is, anybody, not just—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3717.28,3733.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: No, because we've had that also with our straight singing members, who identify—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3733.71,3738.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Right. You don't have to be queer, you don't have to be lesbian to be in the choir.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3738.54,3741.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Yeah. And we have had times where we've had to intervene on because of really poor social skills or judgment or just inappropriate rudeness, where people who were really very much in the mindset that this is lesbian space, lesbian-only space, this is safety, and carrying that through, even though we now have more, I think we have more choices because of the work that was done through some of those very people, as separatists, we now have more choices for people to use that space and the organization differently, but not everyone feels that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3741.8,3794.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Why do you have women who don't identify as lesbian in the choir? It's a lesbian choir?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3794.05,3802.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: As long as someone was willing to sing under the banner, it was okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3805.95,3820.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: They're understood as an ally.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3820.49,3823.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3823.21,3823.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Absolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3823.62,3824.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: I think to the group when the first couple of gals started and there were two that came together, if I recall correctly, that was the premise. These people are our allies, and they identify as women obviously, because that was our criteria.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3824.58,3843.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: There were some before that that were discouraged. This has been an ongoing thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3843.95,3852.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: And I didn't know that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3853.01,3853.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Yeah. Even when you were gone, there were people that joined the group that were discouraged from continuing, by the membership, certainly not by me. Because then I had to call them out, because I didn't believe in that. So for me, if you're working with your allies and— we would sing for Clergy and Laity Concerned. We would sing for every community organization that would give us voice, because in order to break down stereotypes, I thought it was absolutely necessary to get out and work to build coalitions, but that's not how everyone in the organization believes. But I happened to have a couple of extra votes for being in a leadership position.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3854.28,3906.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you think of a particular concert that was scary to do?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3906.54,3909.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: No, because I can't really relate to that. I don't relate very well to that. But I can tell you when we were going to sing at a church, and they called and they were very— I'm a little clueless when it comes to some of that stuff, and they called to ask me and they were very concerned about recruiting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3910.41,3942.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: That you would be recruiting lesbians from the congregation?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3943.79,3946.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Yeah, I guess. Well, I understood later because they meant converting people I think is what they were trying to get at.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3947.05,3960.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anyway, it was a ridiculous idea.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3960.95,3962.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: It's not in our by-laws [chuckles].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3962.59,3964.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: It was so ridiculous, and so I of course heard the question, and my response to, “Are you coming to our congregation to recruit?” And I said, “No, we only take new singers in September.” I had no clue what they were asking. So, I answered the question I heard. But anyway, they were really concerned more of the exposure of us to I guess other people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3964.36,3995.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: But we got an invitation just three years ago by another choir in town, to perform at their concert and we accepted it happily, and the venue that they rehearse and perform in that this concert was scheduled to happen in wouldn't allow us to come because there was “lesbian” in our name— three years ago.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=3995.71,4025.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Where was that place?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4025.18,4026.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Where was it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4026.88,4027.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4027.04,4027.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Northwood Community Christian, out Hayden Bridge Road, Springfield.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4027.19,4030.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: We were uninvited.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4033.76,4035.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Inspirational Sounds is the choir that invited us and they moved their concert to the First Christian Church in downtown Eugene. Yeah. People ask us these days, “Why do you have lesbian in your name?” Because the shift is going toward that being elitist. And from what I understand organizations are starting to move away from that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4035.34,4066.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: It's seen as non-inclusive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4066.76,4067.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Yeah. Non-inclusive, and that's why we still have lesbian in our name.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4067.71,4072.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Still relevant.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4072.5,4073.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you have many young people in their early twenties or late teens?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4073.57,4077.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: More and more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4077.97,4078.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Yeah, we have a few twenties. We have had over the years people come to us and ask if their teenager could be involved, and we had to have some discussion about that because while we want to create safe space and we want to encourage and support our GSAs in schools and those things—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4078.78,4104.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: The Gay, Straight, Alliances?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4104.68,4106.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Yeah. Well, first of all we have a rehearsal that sometimes it's a little more adult.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4106.66,4121.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: —show up?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4123.22,4123.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Our humor sometimes is a little bit—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4124.54,4128.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: There's a little language every now and then. It's a little bawdy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4129.14,4131.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Yeah. Sometimes we can—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4131.33,4132.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: I was the most guilty of all, there you go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4132.99,4134.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: But we like to have fun and sometimes we're a little rude.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4135.09,4138.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Not at anyone's expense, but I don't know that it's always teenage appropriate. It isn't really.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4140.85,4147.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: No, it isn't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4147.85,4148.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: I don't think so. But then there's also the aspect of like it was really especially hard, I remember when parents came and said, “Can't my daughter come and join your group because we want her to have a safe place to be that encourages—“ She was into music, she was into songwriting, and it was a really hard decision. So, we work to try to find places for that person to be, and have community, but we didn't think that that was quite us, but we do have some twenty- somethings and you're right that the issue is now, like that's kind of old school. It's like you all have been so old school in that whole stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4148.21,4197.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: That language is so tricky.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4198.82,4200.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Language is tricky. It's all new again, you can't say “You guys,” because they don't— it's very fun, because all of the same stuff is coming out. And so now you've got the twenty- somethings and a couple of residents that are just like, ‘Yeah!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4200.33,4221.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, what she said!” And it's very interesting what's going on culturally. It's also sad that the twenty-somethings and thirty-somethings don't have that lived experience and appreciation of—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4223.59,4241.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagendorn: Yeah, because they don’t get it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4241.72,4243.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: —what came before and why they have these people sitting next to them that they can't relate to that are so isolationists still.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4244.19,4253.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: There's very few spaces for young queer people and older lesbians to meet, and this looks like maybe it's one of them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4253.65,4263.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: And this all takes me back to what you were instrumental in making this happen a few years ago where we got together with Bridging Voices, it was a brand new youth choir in Portland. And they came down for a day and we had a workshop and they taught us some songs and we taught them some songs, and we performed at LCC that night. It was our winter concert at Lane. Lisa is such a good facilitator in a group like that, she'll call people out if they look like they want to be called out, “And so tell us a little bit about yourself” and there was the getting-to-know you part.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4263.15,4312.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we usually try to have an icebreaker or two here sprinkled throughout. But there were many times in the course of the day where there wasn't a dry eye in the place, from either choir. And it's just so powerful and moving to come together in song. I believe in my heart, there's just nothing like it where when all these people from so many backgrounds, and there's so much damage or so much this, or so much that, get together and sing. It's life changing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4312.09,4356.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: It is. That was a fun season because the year before, in preparation for that year, I knew we wanted to focus on youth and do some outreach. And we were going to tour that year, too. We reached out to youth groups up and down, all the way to Seattle. She's got a sociology major, but I watch her and learn, and I've started to be like, experiment on the choir. I love to experiment with the choir. And so we had a retreat and I divided people into age groups, which pissed them off, really, like right off the bat. But we asked them to give some perspective of some different questions, and we got such interesting different responses. And then we were able to have that discussion at the end of the seasons about here's how it looks like we're viewing things differently.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4356.43,4422.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But some of it was manipulation because I really wanted them to get done sharing their stuff so that they could listen when we started working with youth, and not just wanting to— so we did that and then we came up with some questions that we thought got the most interesting discussion and range of answers. And we sent those off to the youth groups and then had them introduce some of the songs and introduce some of their stories. I remember when we hit the Tacoma one, there were, I don't know, there were only a handful, half a dozen, ten youth that we had interacted with. And it's like, where are the rest of you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4422.93,4485.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well— [mumbles]. And then by the intermission, they were on their phones getting all of the others, so they showed up for the second half.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4485.39,4495.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They just were, a bunch of old ladies singing. It's like, “You're missing Creep,” they're holding up their phone. It was just really interesting because we've had to do a lot of work on our end to be ready to do some of that kind of work, but it's really important to work and to reach out across generations, it’s really important. And this is really great because sharing our stories is just like brings us all— we're so all alike, and it's all the same stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4495.98,4527.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Next years' theme is “Telling Our Story.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4527.57,4530.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Yeah, telling our stories.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4531.12,4532.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you have children of lesbians in the choir?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4532.43,4536.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Yes, we have had.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4536.25,4538.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: We have several mother-daughter duos, lesbian and not lesbian.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4538.22,4544.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: The area where we're, I think doing the most work right now is in the area of transgender education, just because when we surveyed our group, I also like to survey our group periodically on any kind of weird number of weird things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4545.71,4564.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And in fact there's some data there that if you want last year's survey, there's political questions, there's identification questions, all of that is kind of summarized in that. We had our audience do that too. Some of our audience went online and answered some of those things too. That's kind of fun. But we found in the survey a year ago that some of our members who have transgender spouses, or transgender family members were feeling that they couldn't completely share who they were. And so as soon as we found that out, it's like, okay, here's an area we've got to work on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4565.36,4610.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so in our fall retreat last year, we started and ran everyone through some gender identity training, and started working on that issue. We were also hoping to sponsor or host the L.A. 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And that's what happens, just because of everything we've been talking about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4637.75,4645.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: I'd like to back up for a second. Lisa, can you, can you tell us what your other work was while you were doing the choir?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4645.67,4654.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Oh, well I came to Eugene because I was doing graduate work. I was a music teacher originally, and I came back and did some graduate work here. When I was teaching music, I felt I wasn't well prepared to handle a lot of the students who are mainstreamed into my classrooms from special education, and I was given some very conflicting information. I really didn't like the messaging I was getting, which was, this is just a social thing. That just didn't sit well with me. When I went back to do my graduate work in music, I took every special education class I could fit into my schedule and started to learn a lot. And what I found is that music education and special education are like an exact overlay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4654.65,4715.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Your exposure to things, your motor development, your emotional development, all of the things that you're looking at, you're individualizing things in a music classroom. You don't walk in with the assumption that everyone's going to get it based on what you do. You have to hit it from different— It's like teaching a language. There's that aspect of it, too. So, I got very involved in that and they pulled me on board to do some supervision. And I started going out and looking, and coaching special education teachers. And then I made the switch into that field. Then I ended up getting a job here. I work in the college of education, in special education.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4716.43,4765.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You train teachers?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4765.74,4768.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Yes, I'm very fortunate. I work with graduate students who have good experience already working with kids in some facet, or sometimes they're licensed teachers and they come back and they do a very rigorous program here. And then I oversee all their field work and their coaching for their licensure. People have no idea it's the third strongest program in the country. It's a really good program.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4768.11,4800.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How would you say your paid professional lives and your work at Soromundi have intersected or strengthened each other, conflicted with each other?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4800.51,4808.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Mine is a perfect fit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4809.39,4811.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: So is mine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4812.98,4814.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: It's the biggest class I have. I mean to try to have people come in that don't read music, can't match a pitch, get confused by music—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4814.09,4831.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: —frustrated— “I don't know what those dots mean.” There's every level of that to professionals who could sight read an aria cold. 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The organization and the planning of a season and how to get the group from point A to point B is just the ultimate really, it feels different every year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4848.04,4899.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: And some of these things I'm surprised by, because I took last year as a hiatus. I wasn't in Soromundi, but I stayed very connected particularly with the board president and a couple of those members. If something would come my way and I thought somebody needed to know something, I still feel the heartbeat. But Lisa and I were just talking about what's to come. And in the last year and a half, Sheryl, my spouse, has retired as well and we're doing tons of travel, travel has become our retirement lifestyle and it's just lots of fun. And in our travel plans this last year I was going to miss certain key things. I just thought, I'm just going to step back for a year. And we were just talking before Julee found us today about what the future holds. And in addition to that, I have this notion that I don't want to lead anymore, I'm just tired of leading.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4899.8,4975.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it's been a natural thing for me my whole life where I saw something needed to be done or started or fixed, I am that person. And I went to a rehearsal a couple of months ago because we were going to sing at one of our dear members memorials, and Lisa included Sheryl and me in that, and I loved being in that room again. And at the same time I found that I couldn't not lead. I'm figuring this out for myself about how much I can go there and just sing, and be under her direction and instead of, “Okay basses, here's what we got to do.” Maybe I don't not want to do that. That was a terrible sentence. Maybe I'm not finished with that role, but at the same time that I want to step back from that, the production has also gotten really big for me, and the choir has taken a track toward doing a lot of heavy production rather than just singing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=4975.54,5064.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What does that mean, heavy production?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5065.51,5066.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: What does it mean?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5069.56,5073.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: It’s gotten crazy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5073.47,5075.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: It means that there's instruments and dancing and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5075.04,5078.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: “Cirque de Soromundi!”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5079.29,5081.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: —projection and people dropping down from the ceiling on a rope and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5081.89,5086.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: I'm sorry. I know I get totally, totally crazy with it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5086.07,5091.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: No. Lisa has vision and the choir wouldn't be where it is today without your vision.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5093.7,5096.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Well, they need a goal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5096.72,5099.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: They do need a goal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5099.55,5100.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: They have to be goal-oriented.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5100.42,5102.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: And this is part of me aging out too, I think. Other people have come and gone, and said, I just like to sing and I don't really want to perform, but if you're a good singer and you just come to sing and you don't perform, then you're missed in the midst of that pod that you're singing in. And then other people might be adrift and then it's not as good for the choir. I'm trying to balance all these altruistic notions about what my role is with what I really, really want and trying to be authentic about what I really want, and I don't know what that is yet, I guess.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5102.15,5145.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I loved singing at that memorial, as sad as it was for us. But that we just went there and we sang, and there weren't people dropping down from the ceiling and people dancing across the stage and all that stuff. And she loves that, and you should be able to do that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5145.71,5166.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: No, it's a headache, it's a nightmare. But what happened is, things have changed in the performing arts. And with the rise in a cappella groups and choreography and all of that stuff. And also, if we are going to be sustainable and we are going to draw in some of the younger crowd, and do things when we need to be able to be kind of relevant. Last year in our spring concert, it was about technology and where we've come to, it's about communication and how that's changed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5166.4,5215.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"During the second half, it was really relevant to have the data streaming from our Facebook survey, and it was relevant to have video introductions or have video stream from on onstage. It's trying to make sure that we're always looking at new things and new ideas, and what is it that we want to do and where do we want to go? 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Okay, that was an unusual year, but we'll partner with community dance troupes, and that way we're collaborating with other people and we're spreading the love, and that's really what it's about. And then the next year it was about having an orchestra. Many of our members have never been in a choir where they could hear what that's like to sing with an orchestra. And everyone should play the electric guitar really loud in their life and everyone should sing with an orchestra, there's just a list. There's like a bucket list for the membership of the choir that I really feel strongly about providing opportunities and creating memories. Everyone should do a flash mob in the Tacoma mall.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5251.3,5317.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And there's just some things that— as a leader, I take very seriously my commitment to providing opportunities for lifelong memories and moments to people that they wouldn't otherwise have. That's part of my job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5318.61,5337.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: The orchestra thing was a great thing because I remembered that we did a nine movement piece that we had done in '02 maybe, and that was the one that had the Tiffany dropping down off the ceiling. But I remembered that the Orchestra Next here on campus had played with the Eugene Ballet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5337.17,5355.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Through a couple those contacts, Orchestra Next came and played with Soromundi, and you couldn't wiggle on that stage. It was just packed. There wasn't room for anything else, and she loves that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5356.38,5374.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: It's a nightmare. If you talked to me the week before the concert, I would say, “What stupid thing did I think we were doing?” But in the end we tend to make it work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5374.99,5390.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/299","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Karm, I'd like to go back to— you made a comment that you and your partner had a child. Can you tell us more detail about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5390.55,5401.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/300","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Oh, how long do you have? Yes, I can. Sheryl and I had gotten together in early '87 and Bailey was born the end of '92. And she's an only child. We had friends that were also contemplating having children, and so we started a group called Happy Lesbian Couples. I think there were eight couples, maybe ten, we'd talk about a different issue every week. From children to sex to money to whatever. Out of that group, I think there were at least four or five children born over the next year and a half or two years. And we did all kinds of family things with that group, holidays, and somebody dressed up as the Easter bunny and all these little kids are running around and having a good time, and they don't know any different, it's just how they were being raised.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5401.5,5483.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bailey went to Spanish immersion school, Buena Vista, and Oak Street Childcare before that. She came home one day and she said, “Taylor said, you can't have two moms.” I said, “Well, obviously Taylor's mistaken because you do.” And I said, “Let me tell you what I think Taylor means. It's true that you have to have something from the man put inside the woman in order to make the baby grow,”— and she's like three. And I said, “We had a helper in order for Mommy to get pregnant.” I was Mom, she was Mommy. “And that helper was just a nice man that wanted to make sure that we had a baby if we wanted one.” And I blathered on, God knows what I said, she's three. And finally I said, “Do you have any questions?” And she said, \"May I please have a cookie?\" As those things would come along, I would learn every time to sort of zip it along. But once she got to school— I didn't feel like she was ever harassed. I would ask her from time to time, not are you being harassed, but I would bring two- mom families into the conversation. And the best part of all of this is that a year later our dear friends used the same donor, so she was raised with a half-brother, and we would do Disneyland and all these different vacations together and they're still very close. They just moved—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5488.4,5604.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You mentioned about the Spanish immersion sibling—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5604.32,5606.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/303","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Oh yeah, we had to go around with 4J, Eugene School District 4J. One of the moms worked for 4J, one is now on school board, so we had some contacts, but brother Jackson put in for the lottery to go to the Spanish immersion school because his sister went. And if you did that, you were supposed to be automatically waved in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5607.85,5639.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/304","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: If you've got a sibling in the school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5639.05,5640.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Yeah, sibling in the school. But they denied him. We had to write letters and make a little scrapbook of all these vacations we'd been on and pictures of the children from her holding him at a week old just to show that they were raised as siblings, and even though they have different addresses this is who our family is. And they accepted that. So we were pioneers yet again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5640.17,5675.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: After the threats.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5675.44,5677.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/307","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Yeah. They interviewed for Weekly and we interviewed for the Register-Guard during one of the OCA things, and our reporter was very thorough and took a nice picture of Bailey swinging in the backyard, and that was like this big on the Sunday paper one day. And then the whole rest of the article was that she had gone to the OCA and gotten one of their people to talk about how he felt about us as a family and as lesbians having children. And we had no idea that's what the gist of the article is going to be about. I called her and she had a six week old baby. And by the time I told her, and I tried to be kind about it, but okay, I made her cry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5677.69,5735.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/308","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was a very powerful speech that I had, that I felt like I had to make about how this made us feel as a family. And that I hoped she never had go through this with her six week old.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5735.98,5747.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/309","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And how would you feel if this, and how would you feel?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5747.96,5750.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/310","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But anyway, got my point across and I don't think she's a journalist anymore, but those things happened. We felt like we were pioneers in raising this child who was born in 1992.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5750.03,5765.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/311","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We knew one baby who was a year older than Bailey when we had her, a lesbian baby. I mean, a child of lesbians. “Little lesbian baby, one year old.” [laughs] There were these pioneering steps, so Jackson went through Spanish immersion as well. She went on to become a successful architect and she's working here, and she's been here three years back home from having schooled in London and providing us many adventures there. And she's about to begin her masters at Portland State so she can go on towards being a licensed architect.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5766.2,5810.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/312","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: I was going to say, but being a pioneer also has some really ugly sides, too, because there were threats. As people who identified with the choir, both of us have been targeted at certain points.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5812.45,5831.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/313","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: How?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5833.48,5834.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/314","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Ugly phone messages, or things like that. One time I went to support a fellow singer from the gospel choir, and she had invited me out. We were tremendous friends. In my graduate work, I was also trying to experience some different things and I took the history of gospel stuff, because you have so much gospel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5834.75,5870.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/315","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: I was in the gospel choir here too. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5870.09,5874.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/316","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: My good friend that I was singing with was always saying, “Oh, come hear my church choir.” So I did. I went and showed up, and seems they had a guest pastor that day and I was sitting in a sermon where they called out Soromundi Lesbian Chorus of Eugene. As they said, “Here is where the devil's working. Here is where a community accepts a choir like this that sings under this banner, how could this be?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5875.89,5910.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that's why you have so much work to do here.” And it was really amazing to be sitting in the congregation hearing that sermon, and then talking to her afterwards and she said, “I had no idea that the guest speaker with some person from across the country who was making it an example.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5910.96,5936.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: There's some pride in that, that that was the example that was used.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5937.65,5941.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/319","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: I was pretty tickled sitting there, I have to say. Same thing we were invited to sing— what was her name? Janie Spahr, one of the first ordained lesbian ministers in the Presbyterian church came to speak down in Cottage Grove at their church. And we were invited to sing. There are real big high points, and there's some really kind of crazy alternative data points there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5942.05,5975.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: We were invited to a Rotary luncheon group probably ten or twelve years ago through a connection.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5976.51,5986.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: We’ve done a few though. We did that one in the— remember the Lion?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5986.34,5989.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Basement of the Red Lion or whatever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5989.77,5991.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/323","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5991.64,5991.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: That was a little smaller affair. This one was in the Vet's Club, lots of people, and people in the choir were little atwitter about singing for this traditional group. And some of those members didn't come that day and some left. And the person who invited us was appalled and very apologetic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=5991.72,6025.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But that's what you're going to run into. We're always doing that work, I don't think it matters where we're singing. We're doing that work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=6026.36,6035.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: It's the same work, it's universal. That's what's happened with everyone now having a wake-up call especially around racism, just thinking that it wasn't there or whatever people were thinking. But it's always there and there's always work to be done.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=6036.05,6056.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/327","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What would you tell a younger person who's politically active and creative? What advice would you give them about doing the kind of work that you've done?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=6056.42,6065.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/328","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Find somebody like Lisa [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=6068.58,6070.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/329","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Find someone like Karm. Patience with the people you're working with I think is really good advice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=6073.61,6082.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/330","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Management skills.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=6082.03,6083.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: I think go out and talk to— create dialogue with as many different people, and different points of view as you can and just be who you are unflinchingly, but go and have tough conversations and be so respectful that you could both listen, that you're not just talking and that you're being heard. I mean, it's the dialogue that's broken down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=6083.84,6117.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/332","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Everyone's just in their bubbles. And in order to do the work, I really think we have to work. We have to find common, because when you put us and the Rotary in the same room and we're singing, we're all feeling the same thing. And that's the thing that people forget.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=6117.54,6136.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/333","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: We did change some lives that day too, in the audience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=6136.63,6140.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/334","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: You just have to remember that one person at a time— we have to discover all that we have in common.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=6140.36,6150.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/335","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: And that the bringing who you are, I was so blessed to work for the city of Eugene when I did, and my last many years there was led by Jon Ruiz, the city manager, and he told us in one of our first meetings with him, I want you to bring all of who you are to work. Whoa. I had never been told that before. I had always brought all of who I was, but once you're told that and encouraged to do that— so I would tell someone to do that because it was so impactful on me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=6150.07,6190.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/336","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Well, I mean, even just a woman that's like amazing, because so often all of who you are is sometimes pretty strong.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=6190.49,6202.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/337","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Yup, can be. It's a gamble to tell someone that, but he took the risk.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=6202.95,6208.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/338","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Yes, it is. Be careful what you wish for. I'm very encouraged by the young people that I see, and not just the creativity and the energy, but the thoughtfulness and the— it's a different way and it's really solid. I just find that we're in good hands, we just have to get the changing of the guard happening a little quicker.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=6208.94,6242.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/339","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: I don't think either of you said what Soromundi means.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=6243.76,6246.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/340","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Oh I found it in a feminist dictionary compiled by a woman who was a professor here at the time that I was going to school, Cheris Kramarae, and she included that as the name of a far off star. “Soro” “mundi” is also “sisters of the world.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=6247.31,6267.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/341","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Latin. We're going to sing in Latin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=6269.94,6273.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/342","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Oh really?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=6273.66,6275.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/343","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Yes we are. We're going to sing a piece from the Mozart Requiem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=6275.41,6277.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: I better come back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=6277.63,6278.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Was there anything that we didn't ask that you would like to talk about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=6280.3,6284.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/346","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: I want to say that through our almost thirty years, we've recorded three CDs, four next year, another one coming.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=6284.87,6295.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/347","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Been on tour twice and going again next year, but we've done lots of run outs like to Roseburg and Florence and Newport. And when we would do that, we would advertise to be a “A Mundi for a Day.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=6296.7,6314.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/348","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Building bridges—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=6315.12,6317.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/349","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: “Mundis” are the members of the choir. Those have been meaningful for smaller rural communities especially. And we do as much listening there as presenting. Those need to be included in our list of accomplishments.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=6317.01,6335.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/350","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: I think those are really impacting. We've been to Bandon, Newport and Klamath Falls. We've been to areas where you certainly wouldn't find a lesbian choir and invited people to come and join us and sing as a member for a day, and it's always interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=6335.49,6358.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/351","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Really important and powerful to people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=6358.19,6360.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/352","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: And we've also given concerts in rural areas where the first half, they don't hear the choir. Everyone's just looking around to see who had the nerve to show up, and then in the second half, we kind of get more of a concert experience. We have had some really amazing opportunities to reach out to people around Oregon in particular.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=6360.44,6386.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/353","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: I'm trying to make that as meaningful for us as it is for them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=6386.58,6391.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/354","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We're not just going out and saying, “Look who we are and everything we do.” But we're trying to—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=6391.11,6396.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/355","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: Community building is a huge part of who we are as an organization. I don't know what else.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=6398.18,6407.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/356","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: That's plenty, that's a lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=6407.96,6411.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/357","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hellemn: That's so much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=6411.54,6412.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/358","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Thank you so much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=6412.13,6413.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/359","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hagedorn: Sure, thank you. I appreciate the opportunity and for you to have us both at the same time, it was great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=6413.09,6418.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/360","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[END OF INTERVIEW]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312#t=6419.5,6419.61"}]},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56100/file/130312/transcript/92585/annotation/361","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/585/original/773_Coll520_do023_aligned.vtt?1776852356","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/585/original/773_Coll520_do023_aligned.vtt?1776852356"}]}]}]}