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She was a tomboy growing up, and played lots of sports with boys. Her family owned a gas station and garage, where everyone in the family did some work. Marie started doing bookkeeping in her pre-teen years. She was always interested in math, and went to the University of Rochester, in part because of the music program, which allowed her to continue to study the viola. She went to graduate school at the University of Pennsylvania, where she studied mathematics. Marie completed her doctorate in 1976 and accepted an offer to teach and do research at the University of Oregon. She describes what Eugene was like at that time. On campus, she became a member of a group of women faculty called Advocates for Women Faculty where she met her future partner, Sarah Douglas. Marie describes working with other faculty on the first \"consensual relations rule,\" that spelled out guidelines for faculty romantic and sexual relationships with their students. Marie discusses her relationship with Sarah Douglas and their work canvassing against the anti-gay ballot measures. She and Sarah got together as a couple in 1994. She discusses the character of the Veneta community, where Sarah lived and where they did their canvassing against Measure 9. Marie discusses her work to establish the faculty union at UO. Marie discusses social life with Sarah and their feelings about marriage. She concludes her interview by discussing her concerns about aging and housing options for older lesbians. \n\nKey terms: Eugene (Or.)  --  Social conditions; Homophobia; Hult Center for the Performing Arts (Eugene, Or.); Ryan, Cheyney, 1948- ; United Academics of the University of Oregon; University of Oregon. Department of Mathematics; University of Oregon. Department of Romance Languages; University of Oregon. Task Force on Lesbian and Gay Concerns."]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Marie Vitulli (Interviewee)","Judith L. Raiskin (Interviewer)","Linda Long (Interviewer)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["In Copyright"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["https://scua.uoregon.edu/repositories/2/archival_objects/607048"]}},{"label":{"en":["Type"]},"value":{"en":["Moving Image"]}}],"summary":{"en":["The Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project Collection consists of interviews of 83 people for the Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project, conducted by Professor Judith Raiskin and Curator Linda Long at the University of Oregon starting in the summer of 2018."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["In Copyright"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/029/original/uo-logo-hires.png?1580744881","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/130/603/small/Coll520_do061.jpg?1637587250","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - Coll520_do061.mp4"]},"duration":3113.664,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/130/603/small/Coll520_do061.jpg?1637587250","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-universityoforegonlibraries.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/130/603/original/Coll520_do061.mp4?1637587250","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":3113.664,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["862_Coll520_do061_aligned [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: This oral history interview is a part of the Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project. The recordings will be made available through the University of Oregon, Special Collections and University Archives.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=0.06,18.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is an oral history interview with Marie Vitulli on July 10, 2018, taking place in the University of Oregon Libraries’ recording studio in the Center for Media and Educational Technologies. The interviewers are Linda Long, Curator of Manuscripts in the UO Libraries’ Special Collections and University Archives, and Associate Professor Judith Raiskin of the UO Department of Women's, Gender and Sexuality Studies. Marie, please let us know if you agree to be recorded for this project and that you give your permission for the university to preserve and make available your recorded and transcribed interview?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=19.3,55.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: I, Marie Vitulli, so give my permission.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=56.87,58.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Great, thank you so much. Marie, we thought we could ask just some basic preliminary questions. Please tell us where you were born, where you grew up, and something about your early background.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=58.62,70.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: I was born in Mineola, New York and grew up in Elmont, New York, which is part of Long Island. I was very much interested in sports. I was a tomboy growing up. I was interested in playing with the boys, we played lots of sports, things related to that. I was also from a pretty young age interested in school, science. I taught all the other kids who couldn't keep up. I went to college in upstate New York, University of Rochester, which I chose partly because of Eastman School of Music, which allowed me to continue studying the viola. I was able to take viola lessons at no extra cost. Then I went to graduate school directly from college at University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia, and I was a math major in college, and I pursued a Ph.D. in mathematics at Penn.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=72.01,131.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=131.53,131.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: So, kind of straight arrow, boring.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=132.19,135.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Can you tell us a little bit about your family? How many siblings you had?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=136.13,142.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: Yeah, my family situation— I am one of four. I'm the oldest of four children. My father just went to high school and my mother struggled, but finished college. Was kind of unusual for our family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=142.15,162.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm very much Italian American. My parents, each one of them had one parent born in Italy. My father was a businessman his whole life. First he had a public garage with his father where they housed cars, and serviced cars and repaired cars. And, then later on when his father finally retired, he had a very large gas station with a big repair business where we all worked. Everybody had to help.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=162.64,197.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What kind of work did you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=198.01,199.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: I worked in the office. I did all the bookkeeping, and when they went on— I started doing bookkeeping when I was about ten, twelve years old. As soon as my handwriting didn't look terribly juvenile, I started doing bookkeeping for the garage for the monthly bills. And, then when I was older, the gas station was a very big operation, and I helped my mother in the office. And, then when they went on vacation, I took over with my brother. But, I took over before I was able to sign checks. It was a little scary delivering thousands of dollars to the bank every day, and making sure the guys that worked for us didn't rob us blind. It was interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=199.43,247.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Okay. What brought you to Oregon?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=248.32,250.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: I finished my degree in 1976. The job market was very tight. I applied all over the country. The best offers in my opinion were from Oregon and Oregon State. Almost identical offers, I thought Oregon— I grew up not in the city, but close to the city. I was in the city a lot. I had a music scholarship, my best friend's father got us theater tickets for free all the time. Oregon was a stretch for me, and Corvallis was too much of a stretch. I couldn't take it. So, I chose University of Oregon and stayed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=251.03,294.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How did you find Eugene at the time? What was it like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=294.15,297.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: It felt like a little bit being put out to pasture. When I first came, the Hult Center wasn't built. Music was always a big part of my life, and there wasn't much, there wasn't what I was used to, much music. There weren’t many cultural events. There wasn't much diversity in shopping. It was very different from what I was used to. But, the people were very friendly. I lived in an apartment for very long, and they all were very friendly helping me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=299.61,337.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay. When you said center, you mean the Hult Center?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=337.16,340.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: Yes, the Hult Center for the Performing Arts, was a tremendous asset when it was finally built. But, I forget when that happened, I was here for quite a while before that happened.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=340.26,355.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And you arrived in?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=355.13,356.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: 1976.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=356.41,356.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: 1976.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=356.87,357.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: Straight out of graduate school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=357.91,359.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=359.78,360.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: I was very naïve about some things. I didn't know how to bargain for salary, I didn't know a lot of things in the beginning. I just kept my nose down, did my research and worked very hard to get tenure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=360.3,378.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=378.28,379.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you know anything about the lesbian community in Eugene when you came?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=379.51,384.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: No, because I— that wasn't on my horizon. I didn't become involved in that until I got very interested in getting together with my partner of twenty-four years, Sarah Douglas, who— we met, there was an advocacy group for women faculty called Advocates for Women Faculty that we were both founding members of. There were thirteen of us, all tenured from all across campus, including the Law School. We met with at least three presidents, on issues of concern to women faculty. Sarah and I were on the very activist, liberal end of the spectrum in that group. I guess before that, I had canvased with her when the Oregon Citizens Alliance tried to pass the horrible legislation against gays and lesbians. We canvased out in Veneta, which is where she was living at the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=384.34,448.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And this was 1993, probably?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=448.69,451.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: Sounds right because we got together in 1994.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=451.7,454.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Oh, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=455.34,456.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: As a couple.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=456.1,456.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay. All right, in 1994?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=456.44,460.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=460.32,461.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay. When did she come to campus?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=461.58,463.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: She came in '83. She had a career before she went back to graduate school and got a PhD from Stanford, and then came here from Stanford.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=464.07,477.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you tell us a little bit about your campaigning against Measure 9, what that was like for you? What it seemed, what was happening?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=477.02,485.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: It's not— I don't have very distinct memories. I was very upset that they were trying to pass this and I was already friends, good friends with Sarah and probably in the back of my mind, there was more than that. But, Veneta is a community just west, I guess, of Eugene or on the way to the coast. And it's a very mixed community. There are some really great progressive people there and there are a lot of more rednecky type people there. And, when you canvas, you don't know what you're going to find, some people are nasty, and kind of give you an earful and other people are very supportive. I had never done anything like that before, so it was a new experience for me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=486.0,542.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So, was it scary going door to door? Talking about—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=542.67,546.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: A little bit, but there were two of us, so it makes it a lot less scary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=546.66,550.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: So, Ballot Measure 9, that was 1992.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=551.29,555.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=555.91,556.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yeah, 1992.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=556.38,558.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: It was a bad time if that had passed, and still to this day we don't frequent the businesses that supported that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=560.94,572.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: In town?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=572.83,573.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: Yes. Rexius and Hirons come to mind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=573.38,575.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=576.84,577.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: Yeah, we don't support them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=578.36,578.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=578.7,580.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: We don't shop there. Well, we try not to shop there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=580.49,583.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Right. That's good to know. Were you aware, in 1989, the UO President Myles Brand set up the Task Force on Lesbian and Gay Concerns and Sarah Douglas co-chaired that with Cheyney Ryan.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=583.07,601.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: That's right. I think that they urged—he didn't unilaterally decide that that was a necessary thing. He got friendly pushing too, but that was necessary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=602.03,617.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: So, it took some urging?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=617.22,617.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: It's my understanding. But, you should ask Sarah Douglas who remembers very well that whole experience. I was not involved in that. I was very active on campus, and other things including chairing the Status of Women Committee and as I said, this advocates group, I was very involved with that. But, I was not involved in the task force.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=617.21,639.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay. Can you remind us again when you got together with Sarah, what year?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=639.28,643.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: We got together in 1994 but the advocates group, I think it started, I didn't go through my notes on my computer. I think it started in ‘92, and went till ‘91 or ‘92 went to ‘95. It started in part over the big scandal in Philosophy. The chair of the Philosophy Department Arnie Zweig, at the time was sexually harassing the women graduate students. Including quid pro quo. He would show up at some GTF’s apartment at night and if they wanted to be in good standing with their GTF, he’d tried to push his way in, and more than one student. It was a really bad situation and there was another— if I remember correctly, there was in another situation, creative writing or trying to get them hired.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=643.25,702.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You, want to tell us like some of the things you worked on with the advocacy group for women faculty on campus, and some of the things that you're proud of having done?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=702.49,711.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: Sexual harassment was a huge thing. We, Sarah and I, and Caroline Forell who was in the Law School, and Marlene Drescher, who at the time was the lawyer for the students, ASUO lawyer. And, Cheyney helped us at the very end. Cheyney Ryan helped us at the very end. We spent a very long time developing the first current consensual relations rule that the university ever had. And, we created it and through a lot of politicking and well, there was a lot of thought involved in how to get it through the Senate. And, Cheyney Ryan helped with that. Because a lot of the good old boys in the Senate, thought it was their privilege to— they— have relations with their students. We didn't get everything we wanted, but we did get something, and that was the first time that was one big success. And, very— there were very many other things like the faculty network for women where they had the meetings for promotion and tenure and they had email lists and such started by advocates. Geri Richmond took control of it rather rapidly and gained from whatever goodies were handed out from it. But, it was a positive thing for women faculty.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=711.52,815.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Can you tell us, in this period you arrived to work at the University of Oregon, and then did your work, did this out of this advocacy work. And, then Sarah came, you knew Sarah. And, then you got together in 1994. In those intervening years, were you aware of LGBT activity on campus or in Eugene?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=816.6,845.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: I think I was a little homophobic to tell you the truth. I didn't go there, I didn't go near there at all. I guess I was aware of it, but I wasn't interested in participating in it in any way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=845.99,862.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: One of our interviewees suggested that we ask people about their experience of internalized homophobia during those years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=862.14,870.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: I don't think I was very self-reflective, so it just made me a little bit nervous sometimes to be around real butchy women and real femmy men. And, I didn't really examine why, but even when Sarah and I first got together, she had some friends that were real butchy, and kind of— it was a little bit hard for me to get used to that. But, it's different and you do— now, it doesn't bother me at all, but it did then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=872.64,913.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So, what was it like for you to recognize in yourself these identifications?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=913.94,918.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: It was difficult. Well, I think the thing— I think the event that triggered it is, I found out shortly before— I found out my brother was gay and he had been gay his whole life, and he hid it from the family. And, at the time he was living with somebody, and he was helping that person break a drug habit. And, I asked them something about this person, and he told me about the drug problem this guy had. And, I said, \"Well, that's not what I thought you were going to tell me.\" And, he said, \"What did you think I was going to tell you?\" \"I thought you were going to tell me you were romantically involved with him.\" And, he said, \"Oh yeah, that's a problem, too.\" Something like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=918.68,968.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He didn't— but he won’t talk about it. He's very closed. He won't talk about it, he's still not open even though he's retired. Then when that got out in my family, the other two kids— they were not kids, they were already adults. Both of them were married to opposite sex partners. And, in particular, my sister made all kinds of nasty remarks about my brother being gay. And, it was hard for me to tell her. But, Sarah was so out in the community and open, she would not— she made me tell everybody before we even got serious. I mean, I had to tell all my friends, I had to tell my relatives.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=968.9,1018.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How did she persuade you to do that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1018.79,1021.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: It was not negotiable. It was one of the things that wasn't negotiable. But, I think she did it— well, it wasn't— in part, she wanted me to have a support system if it didn't work out, that I would be able to— that my friends knew that this was going on in my life and that I would have somebody that— people to turn to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1021.16,1045.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But, it wasn't negotiable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1046.99,1048.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So, if you were going to be with her, she said you needed to come out?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1048.38,1052.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: Yeah, I didn't have a problem with it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1052.52,1055.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And, what was that experience coming out to people?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1055.53,1058.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: It was— some people were great, unexpectedly great. Like there was a group of older faculty from Romance Languages that I hung around with. I met them at the EMU lunch table. I used to go to the gym and swim almost every noon. And, then like, I'd come to the EMU late, and the Romance Language people would all be there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1058.09,1087.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, I got pretty friendly with some of them. And, then we started having Thanksgivings together and they— these older people, they just welcomed the two of us. It was really great. But other people that— I had other friends that wasn't so welcoming. They didn't exactly know how to— what to make of it, that all of a sudden here I am with a woman, and my department— I don't think was, I think it was not so good at my department. I was the only— for almost my whole time I was the only woman researcher in my department. There were instructors, but they weren't tenure track people. And, then one other was in Math Ed, which a lot of my colleagues kind of look down on that. They don't see it as— and they, I was already getting some flack as a woman, especially some of the work I did on the Status of Women Committee, and the Advocates. But then when I took up with Sarah, I think that was also exactly that was the worst in their eyes. The worst thing. Oh no. The worst thing was when I started the union. That was the worst thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1087.36,1165.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What— can you explain what that is?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1165.61,1169.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: Yeah, it's called United Academics, for the University of Oregon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1170.78,1177.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, we started meeting, I'd have to look it up, but it was a very, very, very long process getting that union passed. And, Sarah, was my partner, Sarah Douglas, was also involved in that. One thing that we did, was we took over very early and we strategize and we decided that we had to take control of the AAUP chapter on campus. Sarah and some of the others got very involved in that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1178.85,1211.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They became— we held elections, which they never had. They were supposed to, but they never held formal elections for years. It just kind of rotated between a couple of people who I could name if you want.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1211.47,1224.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we had to get control away from them because this fairly early on we decided that we had to do a joint campaign between AFT, American Federation of Teachers. And, we knew that that would never fly on this campus if we went just with them. So, we brought in AAUP. AAUP was more acceptable to many of the academics on campus, but they had no money and AFT had the deep pockets. So, after we met as a group without bringing the nationals in, we met for maybe two years. It was clear that it wasn't going anywhere, that we needed help. And, at the time, Gordon Lafer and I were the two who invited AFT and AAUP. And, I think Poli Sci, as a joint appointment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1226.05,1283.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And, LERC is the—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1283.9,1285.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: Labor Education and Research Center. Sorry. They have faculty lines. We invited those two nationals in, and we started the campaign. We brought people to campus from other campuses that had unions, and it was a huge time sink and there were all kinds of battles.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1285.99,1314.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And, just to clarify this as a faculty union at a research university, which is unusual.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1314.3,1320.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: Yes, there were a handful that we made very public, other— Rutgers was one of them, some of the SUNY schools in New York, and we brought people from those campuses here to talk, and tell us their experiences. And, yeah, it was a very, very long process.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1321.35,1343.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, at some point the politics got too much for me and my back just said, \"I can't do it anymore.\" And, I had to step aside and let other people continue because— I don't really want to go into the details. It was some nastiness with AFT, they were very hard to deal with. But, we prevailed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1343.84,1366.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: We have the union.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1366.33,1367.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: And, we have the union. And the union involved— we originally hoped that the union would also involve OAs, officers of administration, but they were— I think they were afraid to join in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1367.32,1380.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A lot of them were afraid, because their positions weren't as secure as tenure line faculty. And, we took everybody who—tenure track faculty, and adjuncts and everybody as many as we could. We took in the union, and I think it's been positive with all the changes we've had in the administration and the view that the university is a business rather than a place of learning. And, yeah, that was a big part of my life doing that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1381.21,1414.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So, it sounds like you shifted some friends over this time, and maybe you didn't have support in your department and reached out to another faculty on campus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1415.07,1423.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1423.47,1424.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So, can you tell us something about your friendship circle, after getting together with Sarah and being involved in advocacy groups?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1424.04,1433.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: I made some friends on the Status of Women Committee that I continued for years, some of them. The big thing then was— what was the measure? There was this, there were some measures that cut funding to higher ed and at U of O, Norm Wessells was Provost. And, they cut a lot of the School of Ed programs, and they cut many other programs like the Speech and Communications Department was eliminated. And, I was chair at that time and the cuts disproportionately affected women and I— we reacted to that and there were some people on Status of Women Committee that were very active at that time. So, I'm not so active that I became good friends with, one of whom lost her job when the Speech and Communications Department was cut. And, she was just coming up for tenure, and they just— those people, they say goodbye to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1433.52,1506.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, that person was Julie Burke. She went to Bowling Green University. After that, she died very young, of cancer. The advocate, Advocates for Women Faculty, a lot of them remain my good friends and we still get together sometimes informally.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1507.74,1528.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Caroline Forell I already mentioned was in Law. Sarah Douglas, I mentioned, Computer Science, Barbara Pope, who I think was in the Honors College at that time. Judith Eisen in Biology, Kathy Cashman, who left here and is now a member of the National Academy of Sciences. She was in Geology. Geri Richmond in Chemistry is also now in the National Academy of Sciences. Diane Hawley in Chemistry was in it. Carol Silverman in Anthropology.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1529.54,1573.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"These are all incredibly strong women who did all kinds of things for the university. Oh, Janis Weeks from Biology [and Jennifer Freyd from Psychology]. Yeah. It was self-selected and most of them I still consider good friends of mine today. The union—there was a core group in the union that— they were terrific. I mean that— I mentioned Gordon Lafer, but he left in the middle of all everything. He had some union job in Hawaii, I think it was. I don't remember he left, but there was a core of people. Daniel Pope was involved. I think Barbara was already kind of retired or partly retired. Amanda Powell and Dianne Dugaw, were in it from the beginning and stayed with it through the end. Some people from LERC, Marcus Widenor, who had an article in the paper today about fair share, the Supreme Court. I don't know, a bunch of people were really, really, I mean, it took a lot of work to get that to happen. And, Marlene Drescher signed on as the— one of the recruiters that went around trying to get people to become interested in the union and eventually signed cards. She got involved in that through me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1573.82,1669.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: By the time you and Sarah got together in 1994, the Ballot Measure 9, the anti-gay Ballot Measure 9, failed in 1992. Do you have a memory of what those times were like or, what your feelings were when all of this was happening?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1670.46,1697.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: I remember some of the videos they made the hateful videos, like some of the— there was one about, I think about teachers that— they're trying to get people to believe that the teachers were after the children. There was one horrible video of that. I think a gay male teacher, I don't remember details, but some of the stuff that they put out, the ads, the TV ads, the newspaper ads were horrible and a lot of people did a lot of work to— I did a little bit of work, but a lot of people did a lot of work to defeat those measures. And, I was very glad that they did. We did defeat them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1699.35,1750.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you and Sarah get involved or hang out in any spaces in Eugene that lesbian community would meet or coffee shops or I don't know, just trying to get feeling of from when you met her onward?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1750.32,1764.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: A lot of the community that she talked about existing in Eugene and before we got together was already kind of, it wasn't— they weren't as active as they were then. There was a group, she lived in Veneta, she had a farm, an eleven acre farm. I lived there for five years, but there was a whole community, I think it was called Dykes in the Country, you should we ask her about it. But there was a strong community of people that help each other. If they needed something done at the farm, they'd all— they'd show up and help each other. And, they also had a lot of parties. But by the time I came along, I think that group had petered out. And, then, it wasn't really for a short time, there was some kind of, bar, coffee shop, but we didn't frequent to it. We went to the Wayward Lamb.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1764.96,1826.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's a lot more recently. And, that's older. A couple of times, it seemed more gay men than women. We used to go to Portland sometimes, to go to gay bars to dance. Because there wasn't much in Eugene. I think it was the Panorama Room maybe, in Portland.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1826.41,1849.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And there was another place that turned into a women's bar. I can't remember. But, we went, we found a few places in Portland and then in San Francisco. We found some places in San Francisco when we went down there. In fact, Sarah's mother who was old by the time we got together, found us someplace near where they live. It was kind of funny, but she was very happy that Sarah found somebody.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1851.51,1886.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Were you were able to find other lesbian couples to socialize with if not in public places in your own group?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1886.38,1895.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: Yeah, we did the— we tried— well, there was one couple in particular, I don't know, like how out people—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1895.66,1906.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You don’t have to say.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1906.88,1907.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: There was one other couple, one of whom was at U of O, and partner was taught, K-12 who were very friendly with, and then the partner died a couple of years ago. It was very, very hard. Oh, I did, I can't believe I forgot to mention Sandi Morgen, was also on Advocates for Women Faculty. She died, just recently from ovarian cancer. She was a big force in the group, too. This friend died from ovarian cancer. That's why I thought of it. Yeah. So, that couple we did a lot with, because we share the same anniversary, two of our birthdays where within a couple of days of each other, and we did a lot together. A lot of other—we tried, and we invited lesbian couples to our house and tried a lot of things. Just didn't work for some reason or another. It didn't work. We have a lot of casual friends, but not uh—we have the oddest thing happened, not in Eugene, but I'm going to the opera in San Francisco. We've been doing this for over ten years now, but ten years ago on our way to the opera, we ended having dinner at a café, and there were two women at a table next to us. And, I, I'm kind of very busybody on the social, I'm very social. Sarah's very shy at first until so she knows you, and then she won't stop talking. But, at first she was very shy and there were two women and I said to her, \"I think they're academics, we should, we should see if we can get to know them.\" And, it turned out that they weren't academics, one is a lawyer, had her own law practice and the other one was the ER doctor and we thought they were a couple but turned out that they're just best friends but they're both lesbians. We have become really good friends. You know, whenever we go down to San Francisco, which we do four or five times a year, we get together and then we've met their friends and a lot of their friends are lesbians. So, it's been fun. And, we also all go to Ashland together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=1907.85,2058.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We rent a house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2058.98,2059.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Ashland is where the Oregon Shakespeare festival—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2061.16,2063.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: Yes, Ashland is where the Oregon Shakespeare festival is, and they know some lesbians that own a house there and only let their friends stay in the house. And, it's a great— it's really a lot of fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2063.24,2077.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's a five bedroom house with a cottage in the backyard. Fully equipped within easy walking distance and coincidental that our two lesbian— another very close lesbian friends are found in San Francisco. Just happened. They come up here too. Came for the opera, this New Year's Eve.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2077.48,2099.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: I guess I have a more of a basic question about your getting together with Sarah. It seems like— well it'd be nice if you could talk about what it was like to not— to all of a sudden get into a relationship like this, not having any feelings before that. Can you describe what your feelings were?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2099.04,2124.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: I think I did have feelings before, but I just kind of squashed them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2124.86,2130.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But, Sarah and I were friends and allies before I discovered that I wanted more than that. And, then I had to chase her. I had to convince her. She didn't want to get involved with a straight woman. And, I had to convince her that I wanted more than a fling.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2130.98,2151.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, we proceeded very slowly, but I didn't really have anybody to talk to about this because, people— because I wasn't sure how they would take it. And, I— one friend I did a little bit by email and she said to me, “What? Are you crazy?” or something like, you know, “You’re going too fast” or “What? are you sure?” I was pretty sure what I wanted and I just went after it and I convinced her eventually I wasn't just after a fling, and I really wanted to be with her. And, she had some people that were in my— somehow thought it might be a good idea for her. And, they pushed her— not pushed her, they supported the idea and it finally— we got together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2155.24,2215.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you ever get domestic partnership or how did the marriage equality movement affect you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2215.38,2228.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: We did write domestic partnership agreements, and have the lawyer or lawyers look at it. We have that, we don't have a— it's notarized. It hasn't been filed with the city, but— and marriage, we think it's great that it's possible, but particularly Sarah doesn't believe in the institution of marriage. And, so we're not interested in getting married and getting married again and getting married again when the law changes. And, now with Trump's Supreme Court picks, I wouldn't be surprised if it goes away again. We'll see what happens. But, no we haven't. But we have all the legal paperwork necessary in case one of us becomes ill, one of us becomes mentally incapable. We have all kinds of legal documents, and we share that information with other people that they need. So, we're prepared.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2229.58,2301.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you seek out, a gay or lesbian attorney to help you with that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2302.05,2304.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: We, both have, well, initially I had a lesbian attorney. We were friends with a lesbian attorney in town and her partner and who, I think I was referred to her partner, one of her partners who was also lesbian, originally. But, then they both retired. Sarah currently has a lesbian attorney. My attorney was a guy, my second attorney was a guy, but the— all the lesbians like him, trust him and stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2304.94,2339.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, yes, we did have— I have Diane DePaolis as my attorney and her partner was Pat Vallerand, who just died four weeks ago. And, Sarah's attorney is Ellen Adler.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2340.04,2355.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: It's nice that there's a— it's interesting in Eugene that there's a network of lesbian professionals. That people tell each other about, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2355.04,2366.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: Yeah. Sarah had for a while— had a lesbian physician. She had to retire, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2367.97,2376.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Are there any other points that you'd like to talk about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2376.11,2386.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: I don’t know. I didn't think that much about what you might be interested in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2386.35,2397.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yeah. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2397.32,2398.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Are you planning to stay in Eugene?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2399.16,2400.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: I think at least part of the year. The winters— or, Sarah doesn't like the winters here. They're kind of dreary. It's like monotonous, endless gray and no bright sun. We've talked about buying a place and spending the least part of the winter somewhere else. But, I don't think we're going to totally leave this state, although I would consider it, because I think a lot of things about Oregon, including the tax structure, I don't like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2400.61,2438.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Well, it also sounds like maybe you connect culturally with people in San Francisco.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2438.18,2445.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: But, it's so expensive— one can't— unless one wants to put all their resources into living. We like visiting there, but I don't think we would like to live there. It's too expensive. And, the other thing is, it's really depressing and they've worked hard at getting rid of or helping homeless people, but it's still really awful. Number of people on the street, and a lot of them out of their mind. You kind of get— I kind of get startled when someone takes down their pants and poops on the street. It's weird. I can't really help solve this. I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2446.15,2498.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: I remembered to ask you about your and Sarah's house. I know you took a lot of pleasure in buying your house and working on it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2498.77,2509.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: Well, that was the deal. The deal was after I moved into her house for five years, that we would, we took our time, moved very, very slowly. We dated for three years I think before we talked about living together, and then I lived with her in her house for five years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2509.35,2532.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, I guess after eight years we decided, well, I think we're going to be together for a while. So, the deal was if everything worked out all right, we would look for a house together. We started looking and then it took us like a year and a half. We looked at so many houses, and we put five offers down, several of them full offers. And, we didn't get them in neighborhoods that we thought we wanted to live in. We thought we wanted to live near the— near the university, Fairmount area that— and we're very happy that we didn't get a house there, because of the arena. And, then we ended up with this house, which is— we just kind of accidentally drove, driving down the street. We were about to give up looking. We were about to remodel our house in Veneta and just call it quits.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2533.52,2590.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But, we went by this house and there was one of those signs up in the front for sale by owner with the flyers. So, we picked— and the owners just put that up like the day before. And, then we took a flyer and we go, “Hmm,” this house seems pretty good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2590.29,2612.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, I really wasn't interested. It's a hundred-plus year old craftsman bungalow and it only had three or four different occupants before we bought it. And, the last occupants who we bought it from, they spent like fourteen, fifteen years restoring, and they kept a lot of the original house. But, then they remodeled because if they didn't remodel, I never would have been sold on that house. But, they remodeled the kitchen, they made a family room, they'd pushed out a mud porch and they remodeled the bathrooms. So, everything— your living areas were brand new and— but it's on the Eugene historic register. And, it's a special— it's a very special house. It's simply a neat house. Not everything you would want, but very neat nonetheless.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2613.54,2672.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: I'm wondering how you think being a lesbian might impact your aging?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2672.44,2678.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: We've been concerned about that. We went to— of all groups, AARP had a special meeting this past spring for gay people, aging gay people. And, the different, some of the different challenges that they face, and we thought it was a really good event. And, we're interested in— well, they talked about all kinds of problems including, gays and lesbians when they go to some of these retirement places. They're afraid to come out and the providers don't know how to deal with them. This one-day workshop that the AARP ran had not just gays and lesbians but older people. But they also had a lot of providers, local places, which we thought was good and we told them some of our experiences where it was, you know, “Yuck, you need to fix this.” Like, Sarah and I— I’m going to get sidetracked. But one thing that we're really interested in is communities where a bunch of us could get together, and have little places where we each live with them. We can keep an eye on each other and a bigger place where we can all get together. There are places like that and, well, there's a place in northern Washington that some professors at UW, a woman started and I don't know. We heard about some places at this thing that we went to and haven't really done very much about it, but we would love to do something like that. Buy land or get land or, we went to some thing that, not a lesbian group, but some lawyer in town had some land downtown, and he wanted to do co-op housing on it. And, that's a great idea. But, if we went to a meeting and we both decided that this guy wanted to control everything, and it would never work for us. And, this has never happened.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2678.48,2829.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We went to the meeting over ten years ago. It never happened. But, we have friends that would be interested, but I don't know how to make that happen. I might know, or so, the Van Houten's, Don Houten and his wife, have a small arrangement like this with the Peases. Yeah, it's very nice. So, they have two little houses that they built. One of them is an architect— that they built in the back of a big old house. And, they use the big old house for if they want to cook together or if they have company, whatever. And, then they each have their own place. So, they have privacy as well. And, I read about places, not just lesbians, but I read about places where they do something similar to that. And, there's several dwellings and we would love to get in on something like that as we age.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2829.38,2893.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Is that in Eugene? The Van Houtens?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2893.54,2895.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2895.39,2896.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: Yeah. It's near the Whit, kind of on the edge of the Whit. It's really neat what they did. And then we have an— we know a lesbian that said, “Well, what we should all should do is take over the top floor of the Eugene Hotel.” I don't know how serious— Harriet Rubin, do you know her? Yeah. There were a bunch of—she used to organize dance classes for lesbians. It was fun. We did a few of them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2896.01,2927.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What kind of dance?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2927.07,2928.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: Ballroom, Salsa. It was a lot of fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2929.42,2936.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Anything else you would like us to ask or that you want to make sure we understand?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2939.84,2943.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: I started on something and then I didn't want to get sidetracked, but now I don't— Oh ,yeah. Some of the senior places in town, like our experiences— Cascade Manor is always sending postcards and phoning us to come and see their new this or their new that. And, the last time we went, they invited us to come to some event there and their recruiter people, I don't know what you call them. The recruiter person was asking and telling us all about how great it is there. And, they had some— one younger person talking to us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2943.39,2986.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, so I asked them, “How many gays and lesbians live here?” And, he goes, like,”Uh…” The thought had never crossed his mind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2986.84,2995.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, then he goes, \"Oh, well, we have a lesbian on the staff.\" Well, we do know, there's at least one gay man that lives there that we know of, Al Urquhart. And, then also that the Tate, we know some people who live at the Tate, which is a very high end apartment building, Jean Tate who started Tate, the Tate real estate company, was a prime mover in getting this thing built. And, we have friends that want to try to get us interested in buying a place there and they go, “And people like you would be okay there.” So, when we went to this AARP thing, we mentioned to the people who run these things that you should work on Cascade Manor and maybe even the Tate for them to be a little bit more educated, I don't know the right word is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=2995.32,3055.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: It seems to be a topic that people are talking about as people start to age, get to that point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=3055.72,3066.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: Yeah. This workshop that they did, I think they should repeat it. It was really good. We got a lot of materials, and I did get cards from some people, a lot of them are based in Portland. They weren't based here and they now have a— somebody, I think a gay man that works within AARP in Oregon to address gay concerns. I joined it because you get discounts to places, some other things that you get, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=3067.1,3101.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Well, thank you so much, Marie.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=3101.64,3106.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vitulli: You're welcome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=3106.63,3107.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: This has been really good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=3107.04,3108.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Really nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=3108.3,3108.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yeah, we appreciate it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=3108.42,3109.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You're welcome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=3110.5,3110.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[END OF INTERVIEW]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603#t=3113.27,3113.38"}]},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56403/file/130603/transcript/92621/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/621/original/862_Coll520_do061_aligned.vtt?1776852380","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/621/original/862_Coll520_do061_aligned.vtt?1776852380"}]}]}]}