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She discusses living and working in Eugene and attending the University of Oregon. She remembers the early years of the second wave of feminism when women could only use credit cards in their husbands' names, and had difficulty getting loans to purchase a home or land. During her college years, she was politically radical and was a Marxist lesbian feminist. She spent time passing out copies of the Daily Worker to students and others in Eugene. She discusses laws against the hiring of gay and lesbian people and the professional moral turpitude clauses that kept most gays and lesbians in the closet at that time. She discusses the passage of Referendum 51 in the city of Eugene, which removed civil protections for gays and lesbians. Lynn was elected president of the Associated Students of the University of Oregon (ASUO) in 1985 when she was a law student. She was the first elected university student body president in the nation who ran as an out gay student. This made national news. She discusses the issues she faced while ASUO president. With her partner, Jodie Mooney, she parents two children. She discusses parenting issues and the Eugene lesbian parenting group, Rainbow Rascals. She concludes her interview by talking about the joys of living in the lesbian community, and about aging issues. \n\nKey terms: Apartheid -- South Africa; Coming out (sexual orientation); Communism; Daily Worker; Disowned by family; Lesbian mothers  --  United States; Mooney, Josephine \"Jodie\"; Moral turpitude; Ordinances, Municipal  --  Oregon -- Eugene; Oregon Assault Prevention Shuttle; Parenting; Project Saferide (University of Oregon); Rape  --  Oregon  --  Eugene -- Prevention; Riviera Room; University of Oregon. Associated Students; Women college students  --  Crimes against  --  Oregon -- Eugene."]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Lynn Pinckney (Interviewee)","Judith L. Raiskin (Interviewer)","Linda Long (Interviewer)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["In Copyright"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["https://scua.uoregon.edu/repositories/2/archival_objects/607030"]}},{"label":{"en":["Type"]},"value":{"en":["Moving Image"]}}],"summary":{"en":["The Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project Collection consists of interviews of 83 people for the Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project, conducted by Professor Judith Raiskin and Curator Linda Long at the University of Oregon starting in the summer of 2018."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["In Copyright"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/029/original/uo-logo-hires.png?1580744881","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/130/569/small/Coll520_do044.jpg?1637344639","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - Coll520_do044.mp4"]},"duration":4756.8,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/130/569/small/Coll520_do044.jpg?1637344639","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-universityoforegonlibraries.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/130/569/original/Coll520_do044.mp4?1637344639","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":4756.8,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["4751_Coll520_do044_aligned [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay. This interview is part of the Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project. The recordings will be made available through the University of Oregon’s Special Collections and University Archives. This is an oral history interview with Lynn Pinckney on July 11, 2018, taking place in the University of Oregon Libraries’ recording studio in the Center for Media and Educational Technologies. The interviewers are Linda Long, Curator of Manuscripts in the UO Library Special Collections and University Archives, and Professor Judith Raiskin of the University of Oregon Department of Women's, Gender and Sexuality Studies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2.86,47.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lynn, please let us know if you agree to be recorded for this project, and that you give your permission for the University to preserve and make available your recorded and transcribed interview.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=48.62,58.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Yes, I do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=58.77,60.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Thank you. Great. So, now we'll launch into some questions. First up is please tell us where you were born, where you grew up, and something about your early background.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=61.2,71.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: I was born here in Eugene. I know, pretty unusual. But, we moved away when I was four months old. My father was teaching at the University of Oregon briefly when I was born. He took a job at Central Oregon Community College in Bend, which is where we went and where I grew up. I lived there until I was nineteen years old.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=73.93,106.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay. Anything else about your family, siblings?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=107.98,114.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: I lived with my dad, and my mom, and my older brother, and my older sister. Grew up in Bend. My dad was a professor at the community college there and quite the man about town. So, I grew up with this really well-known, widely respected dad. I knew that I was a lesbian from as far back almost as I can remember, and always was that square peg in the round hole growing up. I came to Eugene for college.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=117.96,176.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=177.2,177.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was the environment in Bend, when you were growing up, if you were gay?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=177.41,180.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Well, there wasn't one, really. I, somehow, in retrospect, managed to find all the other gay kids in high school, but we never acknowledged it or knew about it. Well, rarely. I did kiss a girl in high school, and also had a very, very brief relationship with someone who was older, who thought I was older. But, anyway, there was no atmosphere. There was no environment for gay people. You were always wrong.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=180.38,222.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So, there was a palpable homophobia, would you say, or—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=223.65,227.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: We just didn't exist. We just didn't exist. So, yeah, it was palpable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=227.06,237.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"People spoke very rudely about gay people, when they spoke at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=238.07,243.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In 1962— back up. Sixty-one, I think, when I was six years old, there were two lesbians who threw their children into the Crooked River Gorge and killed them. This was big news in Oregon. For a long time, that was the only thing I knew about lesbians, was that they had murdered their children.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=244.73,277.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Was there any follow-up story about this, why they might have done that? What was the news coverage like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=280.11,286.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Oh, well, I was a really small child at that time, so I was only six when this happened. Actually, I think we were living briefly in Washington, D.C. at the time, and found out about it when we got back. I can remember my parents having a hushed discussion. I can remember my mom saying that she'd heard that they had a stable of women. You know, all this stuff, and that it wasn't right. These were just two intellectually challenged women living out in the desert and they— I think one of them, the actual mother, the biological mother of the children, may have gotten off because I think it was her girlfriend that actually took a hammer to the children before they threw them, especially the boy. Anyway, these were small kids and they died. There were whispers, but later, the woman who had spent many years in prison, said she was sorry for what she had done. She and her family always denied access to— Ann Rule, who writes all the true crime stuff, she wanted to do their story, and nobody ever would let her do that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=286.83,381.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay. Do you care to talk about why you were in Washington, D.C.?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=383.34,389.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Oh, sure. My dad was a very political person. He was a man of the '50s and very liberal. He worked for Senator Wayne Morse here in Oregon and was a really big supporter of him, and even ran his state-wide campaign for president in 1960. Of course, Morse didn't get anywhere because it was Jack Kennedy's time. But, Dad— one of his rewards was then to go back and work with Morse for a year in the Senate, which just really enhanced his credibility as a professor of American History and Political Science.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=389.21,447.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay, thank you. You said you came to Eugene to go to the University of Oregon?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=447.65,457.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: That's when I moved here, yes. I was aware of Eugene before that, but I went to COCC for a year, year and a half because I had dropped out of high school. Then, I continued at the University of Oregon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=458.21,476.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What year was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=476.9,477.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: I first came here in the fall of 1974.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=477.94,481.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Okay. When you came, were you aware of a lesbian community, or were you hoping to find something here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=481.66,490.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Yes. Very much so. I really wanted to get out of Bend. Not that I didn't know gay people by then in Bend, because I did, but few and far between. I knew there was a lesbian community in Eugene, and don't ask me how I knew that. I just knew. I don't know how to explain it. But, I knew that anything bigger was going to have more gay people. And you couldn't get a four year degree in Bend, so I had to come. I had done what I could at COCC, both finished high school and gotten in a couple of years college there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=490.38,542.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: When you came here, what was your living situation and what was the community that you had found?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=542.24,548.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: I moved in with a good friend of mine from Bend, who I had known since we were thirteen in high school, where we had met while attending the Mormon Church. We were both Mormons, or had that in our history, and were very much feminists and also interested in studying sociology. We moved in together. By January, we had become lovers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=548.59,584.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you socialize with other lesbian students on campus?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=587.42,590.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: A few. Now, at the time, the University had the Gay People's Alliance, but it was almost all men. We were not old enough to go to the bars. So, we mainly connected with other feminists, where we immediately, of course, ran into lesbians. But I don't think we were really that close to— I don't remember a group of lesbian friends at that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=591.84,622.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Was there a feminist group on campus?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=622.03,626.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: There was, but I never had anything to do with it. I studied sociology. And drank a fair amount of beer. We had friends. The political stuff we did then was— there was this organization called the Women's Union, and we would basically meet and plan the revolution in, you know, people's attic bedrooms. We never got around to doing anything, but we talked a lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=626.07,663.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: I know that there— On campus in 1975, the Gay People's Alliance, the GPA, had sponsored the first gay pride week on campus. Do you have memories of that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=663.86,679.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: I remember attending that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=679.28,681.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What was it like? What was the atmosphere?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=682.69,684.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Just joyful, but scary also. I mean, it was in the spring, and it was right when I was about ready to drop out again. Seemed to be what I was into doing in those days. We went to hear a couple of speakers, I think. I actually don't remember tons about that. I later put on pride weeks, but at that time, I didn't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=685.5,725.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Why do you think you were dropping out?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=727.03,728.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: I was a radical, okay. I would spend time doing things like passing out the Daily Worker on street corners. I was unsure about getting a college degree, or having any kind of a life in academia. I wanted to change the world right now. So, we did things like pass out the Daily Worker outside of workplaces, which was actually not your typical student activity at the time. We were communists.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=731.33,765.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Absolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=768.03,769.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Were you card-carrying com—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=769.27,771.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: We were Marxist-feminists.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=771.28,773.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: —Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=773.27,773.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: It was very important in those days, especially as a lesbian or a feminist, to define what kind you were. So, we were Marxist- lesbian-feminists. The titles for what you were had at least three.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=773.74,789.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You couldn't have less than three.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=790.87,792.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Were you aware of Randy Shilts, who was a student here at that time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=795.18,799.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: I was not. I mean, in retrospect, I went back and read some articles of his in the—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=799.62,810.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: San Francisco—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=811.82,812.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Emerald.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=812.52,813.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Oh, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=813.46,813.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: But I was not aware of him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=813.89,816.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What about Harriet Merrick? She was involved with the Gay— the GPA.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=817.24,824.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Harriet worked in the administration building, although she was maybe a student at that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=825.12,835.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: She graduated in 1975 from UO.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=836.34,840.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: I didn't know her as a student.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=840.39,842.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=842.92,843.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How did you decide to go into law?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=843.21,849.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: I was— Well, I got my bachelor's degree on the ten-year-plan, which involved dropping out and working in a nursing home for about five years. I returned to college. I was in Eugene in '75 to '80 as a non-student.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=849.64,887.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Before we go on to your being a student then, just to think about those years, can you describe what the lesbian scene was like in Eugene at that time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=887.62,896.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Yeah. It was fabulous. There were lots of lesbians. There were lots of people who were out, or semi-out. There were bars. There were, at one point, three gay bars. And one of them, the Riviera Room downtown, had a women's night on Thursday night. Which, for a town the size of Eugene, that was good. We all went to the bars, and we all went to the Riviera Room on Thursday night. Many of us knew each other. I was working as a nurse's aide. I had taken a class through the State Board of Nursing and became what was called a medication aide. So, I walked around and passed out medications in a psychiatric nursing home.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=896.81,950.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Where was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=951.26,951.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: It was on Twenty-Ninth Street. It was called Pleasant Valley Nursing Home. It's now something memory care facility. It's been in the news lately. Anyway, we decided that we were going to be— I was still with my partner, Deb, who I had moved in with in '74.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=951.86,978.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We had returned to Bend for a year, came back, went to work in nursing homes. We were trying to organize the nurse's aides at that time. That was successful in Salem. We never managed it in Eugene. We wanted to see the nurse's aides unionized. We worked, and it was a women-dominated field. They head honchos were nurses, who were mostly women at that time. And the aides were mostly women. So, we felt very comfortable there. And there were a lot of lesbians. The place where we worked, we met people I still know today, like Mary Hotchkiss, and Debby Martin, who's in WYMPROV! We all worked together in this nursing home, and went to the nude beaches in the summer, and went up to the hot springs in the winter, and went to the bars on Thursday night. It was just a blast.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=984.95,1063.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: During those years, were you out to your parents and your siblings?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1063.59,1070.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1070.16,1071.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Can you tell us about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1071.56,1073.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Sure. Mom and Dad never really cut off any contact, but they were not happy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1073.71,1079.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Were they Mormon?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1079.77,1083.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: They had been Mormon, yes. They were not devout. They were kind of Jack Mormons, although they still tithed, and they still let the home teachers in once a month for a discussion. But they didn't actually attend church. My dad was known as a freethinker in the church, which was pretty bad, but not as bad as an apostate. Where were we?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1083.94,1117.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Oh, coming out to your family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1117.1,1118.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Right. I came out to my parents by writing them a letter. They responded by bringing me their typical gifts that they had given to my brother and sister when they got married, which was a black and white portable TV and a sewing machine. They brought those to us. But they were not happy. They could barely stand to speak to us. My sister also did not cut me off, but the contact was very, very limited. My brother stopped speaking to me, and we did not speak for almost twenty years. He said to my parents that as far he was concerned, I was dead. He pretended to his children that I didn't exist. They were older children, or young teenagers, when they found out that I even existed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1120.69,1185.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Were you able to grieve that at that time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1186.71,1190.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: You know, I cried about it a little bit. But I thought, you know what, why would I spend time with someone whose reaction is so extreme, that they would rather I be dead than be who I am. It was heartbreaking. My brother and I were close, very close growing up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1190.08,1210.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was a wonderful brother. It was very sad, but you just go on. I kind of lost my family for a long time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1210.31,1222.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Was he religious?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1223.49,1225.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1226.32,1226.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Why do you think he had that reaction and the others were a little different?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1229.34,1233.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Primarily, the woman he married was quite extreme in her views. I think she just put her foot down. She couldn't tolerate being in my presence, I think. It was beyond what she could do. And they had children by then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1236.4,1255.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: If we could just fast forward in time then, twenty years later, was there a reconciliation?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1256.72,1262.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Yes. We all came together to care for my parents in their final years, and we worked very well together. Oddly enough, as soon as I saw my brother, we fell right back into the same childhood dynamic, where it's he and I against my sister. So, yeah, we worked together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1263.47,1284.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But the story gets more complicated. One day I was at work, and a little voice calls me on the phone and asks a work-related question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1287.49,1302.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I thought, \"Who the heck was that?\" Kid calls back a couple weeks later. Turns out it's my niece, his oldest daughter, who is a lesbian and wants to come see me. He cut her off. He called everyone she knew and told them not to speak to her. She had to drop out of college. It was horrible, horrible for her. The viciousness was just— I'm not going to go there. He did not only horrible things to me, not only destroyed our family, he then proceeded to destroy his own.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1302.51,1344.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"After my parents' death, our contact has been pretty limited. I mean, they talk about turning the other cheek, and you do, but it's limited.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1346.39,1359.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Have you had a growing relationship with your niece? Did she come to you for support?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1359.54,1361.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Yeah, yeah, definitely. We're good friends now. She and her partner have been together all these years, and they actually have four children. They live in Seattle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1361.54,1373.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Going back to 1975 to 1980— those dates.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1373.68,1377.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1378.29,1380.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Think about how much fun everybody was having in the bars.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1380.17,1383.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What were the attitudes around sexuality in the community that you were in?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1384.18,1387.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: We listened to Holly Near and Golden Thread, so there was a lot of just very, very positive feeling about being gay. That we were going to make progress. That, as the women's movement achieved things, it was clear that things were changing for us. For example, women were allowed to have credit cards, and purchase real property without a male. I remember knowing three lesbians, who were just a few years older than us, who got together and bought a house. I can remember it just blowing my mind, and my partner and I sitting and talking and thinking, \"You know, maybe someday we could do that. Maybe we could buy a house.\" One of the reasons I had dropped out of college is because, at that time, you couldn't pass the moral turpitude test to be a teacher, or a physician, or a lawyer, or a nurse, and be out of the closet. You had to get the okay from this organization. People did it all the time, but they lied. We had decided we weren't going to lie. So, we accepted the idea that our lives were going to be on the edge. That our life was going to be lived at that lower arc. And that we were going to accept that in order to be honest, and perhaps achieve social change.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1389.47,1504.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had wanted to be a lawyer when I was back in high school, but I gave up on that idea. I decided not to do that because I wasn't going to lie about who I was. We worked in nursing homes. We thought about going on as nurses. It's like, \"Well...\" The State Board of Nursing looks at you, and they look at your credit rating, and they look at what kind of person you are. People just didn't say, \"Oh yeah, I'm in an open lesbian relationship,\" and write that down. You just didn't, because you weren't going to get the okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1506.3,1546.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Or you might, but you were taking a risk that you had put all this time and money into an education that you then couldn't use. You couldn't be an open lesbian and pass the moral turpitude section of the Bar. You couldn't do it. So, we decided, because we were radicals, that we were not going to lie. That meant we were going to work in hotels, restaurants, and nursing homes. And that was how we were going to live.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1546.54,1584.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: I did want to ask a question about LGBT rights in Eugene around that time, in the mid to late '70s. In June of 1976, there was a lot of anti-gay activity happening around Eugene. For example, paint was spattered on the walls of the Riviera Room, eggs were thrown at people leaving the bar. Can you tell us— Give us more detail about what that was like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1584.81,1617.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Yeah. So, at that time, 1976, I was actually living in Bend. I had returned to Bend for a year just as part of my dropping out thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1618.09,1630.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But, we knew about that. We had friends who were here and we came back that summer. People talked about it. We talked about that you needed to be more careful. People said, \"Oh, leave the bar in groups.\" I think people were a little more careful, but you have to understand that, in context, that didn't seem like very bad because the police would raid the Riviera Room, okay. There was a back door in that bar for a reason. Nobody really cared about the lesbians. But there were gay men, who were in the closet, who— being gay wasn't illegal formally, but acting on it was, and certainly acting on it in public was. And things happened in bars, as they always have and always will. So, there were gay men who were, in particular, were really concerned. But the concern was less about somebody spray painting something on the outside. It was about the police. Or that was just as important.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1632.73,1725.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you remember any physical assaults on gay men or lesbians?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1727.11,1728.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: I remember hearing about them. I don't remember knowing anyone that that happened to. It never happened to me. Although once, years later, I had to run up that alley by the Riv Room because I left the bar by myself. But that was actually years later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1728.49,1751.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At that time, there were a group of gay men who were very concerned about their status in the community, and they wanted legal protections for gay people. There were a few other places where this was being raised around the country. They went to the City Council, and in 1977, after much work by a group of gay men, the City Council passed a civil rights ordinance for gay people. It was protection for housing and employment. I don't think it was public accommodation, but don't quote me on that. But I know there was employment discrimination and housing discrimination were included, and it prohibited it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1753.6,1816.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yeah. And, as I recall, UO law professor, Dom Vetri wrote the ordinance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1816.82,1821.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Dom Vetri. Yes. Yes. So, here we are in like the fall of '77, and the City Council passes this. This actually came as a surprise, certainly to much of the lesbian community, but for a lot of the community as a whole. We were like, \"Wow, should we be doing this now? Are we ready for this?\" But it didn't matter. The City Council went for it. Kudos to them. Of course, there was a group organized immediately. I'm not going to be able to say the name of it. Citizens for something, I don't know. Anyway, they conducted a referendum and it was placed on the ballot that spring.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1821.15,1887.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Referendum 51?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1887.72,1888.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Fifty-one. This was one of the first gay rights buttons that I ever wore in my life. I was not part of the leadership. I was a nurse's aide. But I showed up for stuff. I showed up, and I can remember being part of a big march of almost a hundred people, marching through downtown Eugene. Let me tell you, if you ever wanted to feel alone, just get with a hundred and walk through downtown.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1888.99,1927.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There weren't very many of us. People got yelled at. It was kind of horrible. There was a march where there was an incident, where there was some hitting, but I wasn't part of that one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1930.45,1944.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What I did was I tabled at one of the very first Saturday Markets out there on the Butterfly Lot. The big campaign thing was, \"No on 51,\" and this button, \"Here to stay.\" It has the Lambda in it. You notice neither one of these buttons uses the word “gay,” or “lesbian.” Because we were still— most of us were still in the closet, you know. It was a big thing to get out in public and oppose this measure. Of course, we lost. The good citizens of Eugene voted 2-1 against us, I believe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=1945.99,2004.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was the reaction of the community to that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2004.19,2008.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: It was sorrow. We actually thought we could win for a little while.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2008.96,2017.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's a really interesting book called It Could Happen to You, written by the No on 51 writers group, or the gay and lesbian writers group, I'm not sure. It uses no names. But it was written by a group of radicals, who were in the campaign. They describe, in detail, what the decision-making was like. That really should be part of the collection. I have a copy, but it's around. You can get it on AbeBooks, or whatever. Anyway, very interesting book. But I wasn't part of the leadership. A woman who was very active in Eugene for a long time, Carol Queen, was part of that group. She's definitely a person to be contacted.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2020.21,2079.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay. So, now we're towards the late '70s. Are you still an undergraduate at UO?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2079.2,2088.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: No. I didn't go back to school until 1980.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2088.95,2094.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2095.56,2096.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: So, I'm still working as a nurse's aide. We just worked on our culture. What we did was, in spite of this really horrible loss, that was really disheartening because we did really think we could win there for a little while, we focused on making a home for ourselves.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2097.68,2126.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's what we did. We made a home in Eugene for gay people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2127.28,2131.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Very successfully, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2133.61,2135.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How did you do that? What did that look like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2135.46,2136.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Again, it was knowing each other. Being out to each other. Going to the bars because that was where you could meet. People dressed in code. The guys had their little bandana things. But the women, we wore flannel shirts and we drank tea. And we went to places like Mama's Home Fried Truck Stop, which was a collective coffee house near the University.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2136.83,2183.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Where was it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2183.91,2184.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: It was later— Pegasus Pizza was in there for years. It was like just a block from here. It was on Fourteenth. Between Kincaid and Alder.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2184.63,2199.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You could go in there and be sure to find lesbians, and there might be some lesbian music playing in the background. You went up and poured your coffee. There was only honey to sweeten it. There was lots of hugging right there around where the coffee was poured. Lots of hugs. There were always people to hug. Then you would go off to your table.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2202.85,2231.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then, on Thursday night, women's night, we would go— and, of course, disco was starting then. We went and we listened to Fame and American Girl and danced our hearts out on the dance floor at the Riviera Room. On Thursday nights, it was more women than men on the dance floor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2233.16,2257.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: When did you go back to school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2263.19,2264.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: I went back in 1980. We sold our 1968 Volvo SS with a not working alternator, or electrical system. We had to get a jump wherever we went, basically. We sold that for the tuition because they said I made too much money as a nurse's aide to qualify for any financial aid. So, I sold my car, went back to school, and finished a degree in sociology.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2264.95,2303.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What year did you graduate?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2305.2,2307.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Eighty-two. And I will tell you that in 1982, there was a really bad recession. You could stand in a line of fifty people for a dishwasher's job. You could sit down at Fifth Street Market and look out the window and watch people riding the rails. I thought about going on in graduate school in sociology. At that time, LA Law was on TV. There was a really bad recession, and I thought, \"People are doing this. They're not lying, or they're lying just a little bit. So, I'm going to go for it.\" I decided to go to law school because I thought maybe I could do some good with that degree, even if I had to compromise my principles a little bit. My girlfriend said I'd sold out to the man, and we broke up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2307.06,2389.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How was law school for you? What was that experience like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2389.13,2396.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: It was the oddest thing. I all of a sudden became a person to my family again because I was doing something worthwhile after all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2396.52,2409.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But it was very difficult for me. I didn't even know a lawyer. I had no money. My classmates actually bought me a law dictionary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2412.82,2429.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I was on food stamps, so I couldn't go to lunch with them. I had to go down to the 7-Eleven near campus and get something. It was very hard for me. I didn't like law school. I didn't enjoy it. I certainly enjoyed the respect that came with it, while at the same time having very mixed feelings about that because I knew I was still the same person. But it was good. Those were good years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2430.8,2463.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The best part was not the actual schooling, which I also enjoyed on some level very much. It was a hell of an education. But, we started the Gay and Lesbian Law Students Association. Prior to law school, I had been director of what was by then called GALA, the Gay and Lesbian Alliance. Or no, actually, that might have been my second year of law school. It was. Second year of law school, I’d become very involved with GALA. Therefore, through that, learn about what the student government does. Then, my third year of law school, I was president of the student body, which was really a cool and interesting experience. But, again, I was doing everything I could think of other than study hard. Although, just to get through, you had to study hard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2463.79,2527.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What were some of your accomplishments as ASUO President?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2527.03,2531.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Or, if we could backtrack and— Okay, can you tell us more about your campaign? This was, you were running for ASUO President.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2531.25,2541.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: That's right. It was a president of the student body. The woman who had been president before me was also a law student. I understood that some other law students had been student body president at times. I kept thinking, \"Why would they want to do that?\" Then I finally understood that the student government, at that time, it was a lot of money, had $4 million to spend. And ran all these student organizations, and got to meet with the university president every week. And traveled around the state and met with students all over the state. And met with legislators. All of a sudden, I realized that this was a really interesting job, and that it would be very meaningful to be an out lesbian student body president.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2541.27,2601.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, I ran for student body president, and I came out before the election. There had been other gay and lesbian people in that role, but I'm not aware that— certainly, no one here at the University had been out. We later learned people were saying that it was the first large university in the country that had had a student body president who was gay or lesbian, who had come out before the election. I remember meeting with some of the powers that be in the state, and saying, \"Gee, is this a good time to do this?\" and them encouraging me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2602.29,2646.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What kind of people were they?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2647.68,2649.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Well, when I was— I probably shouldn't name names, but there were people from Portland who were interested in this happening.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2650.0,2665.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2666.0,2666.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: And they were just encouraging. They were saying, \"Yeah, go for it.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2669.27,2673.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What was it like to run for a political office on campus and be out?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2674.11,2681.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: There was a lot of support. I felt like, especially after the election, that it was like this real friendship between me and the whole campus. It was hard to describe. People would stop me on the street and say, \"Lynn, come on in, dinner's almost ready.\" I'd go through the line at the cafeteria in the EMU and this elderly African American woman stopped me and said, \"I cut your picture out of the newspaper. It's on my fridge. You're one of my heroes.\" This lady's been serving lunch at the University for thirty years. Stuff like that happened.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2683.39,2748.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Really bad stuff happened too. I'd go into my office, and we'd get the messages off the answering machine in the morning. People would just call up and just say gross, horrible things. People would yell things. For a long time, I wore, on my backpack, this button that said, \"That's Ms. Dyke to you,\" because you had to kind of try to reclaim some of that stuff because it was horrible. There was just this heightened awareness of being just this vanguard person out there. I went on the radio and got interviewed for local TV stations, and constantly gave interviews for, not just the campus newspaper, but for the RG and for the Oregonian.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2749.89,2814.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: The Register-Guard. The Register—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2815.44,2816.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Yes, sorry. No, for the Oregonian.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2817.11,2819.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yeah, and the Register-Guard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2819.98,2820.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: And the Register-Guard. I'm sorry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2820.67,2822.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2822.43,2823.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: People called and talked to me on the phone from all over the country. There was a newspaper in L.A. that called. There was the Washington Blade in D.C., and there was a Boston Collective newspaper. When I was elected, it went out on the AP wire service, and there were people from high school contacted me and said, \"I'm in L.A. and I read about you in the paper.\" My current partner, who was planning to come to the U of O Law School at that time, lived in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Her brother threw the Milwaukee paper down on the chair and says, \"Looks like you're going to the right place, because they just elected a lesbian student body president there.\" Who knew we were going to marry and live together for thirty years, so far. It was just this huge thing. It was just, you kind of almost set aside your personal life at that point. That's what you're doing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2823.59,2912.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What were the nuts and bolts of running the student government like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2912.53,2917.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: When I went in there, there was a telephone on my desk, and it had six lines. I didn't know how to answer the phone. Fortunately, there was a secretary, and there was a woman who worked as an advocate with the student government. They helped me out a lot, but it was a big operation. We had to appoint students to forty committees all over the University. We had to develop a budget for the next year for $4 million and present it to the Incidental Fee Committee for approval. We had a newspaper to publish that represented the student government. And we had to develop all the programs that we wanted to develop.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2920.53,2988.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We set the bar pretty high. We did things like we established Safe Ride, which we actually took $16,000 and went to Portland and bought a van. Well, no student government had ever done that before. We had our conflicts, shall we say, with the administration.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=2989.66,3015.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They didn't want us to take things like that on, but we were like, \"Well, wait a minute. Women are getting attacked on campus at night, and we know you have these little blue light boxes every once in a while, but really, let's just give them a ride.\" We had heard about, in Madison, Wisconsin, they had developed a program like that. They called it the Women's Transit Authority.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3016.58,3041.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We loved that. So, we created that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3042.0,3045.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We really wanted the University to divest from South Africa. We won that battle, but we had to lose it and then they did the right thing the next year. But they did do it. But we had to try to pay our attorneys. We'd had a lawsuit against them for a long time. We just wrote a check for $20,000 to our lawyers. They were like, \"Wait a minute. We're not going to let you do that.\" So, giant battle. That's another story. They did eventually get paid.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3049.82,3087.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Who was the UO President at the time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3087.65,3090.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Paul Olum, who was just a wonderful and delightful person, and a respectful adversary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3090.97,3099.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: When you think about your tenure as ASUO president, if you could just name a few things that stand out to you as your major accomplishments, what would those things be?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3105.35,3119.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Well, first of all, I think that gay people participated differently in the University after that time than they ever had before. I can't say that was my accomplishment, except that I set the stage for it to happen. Because we lost every battle for gay rights we took on on the campus. We wanted gay people to be able to live in, what was then called married student housing. I remember talking to— during this one really intense meeting, talking to a woman who was in the Student Affairs Department. Paul Olum was sitting right there, and me saying to them, \"So, what you're saying to me is that there's no place for my family to live as a student at the University of Oregon?\" I remember this woman saying to me, \"Well, you know Lynn, just step back and think about it. It really isn't discrimination.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3119.24,3211.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It just feels to you like discrimination.\" We lost all that stuff. We didn't succeed. But it wasn't very many years later when the University created a committee to move on and actually begin to deal with issues. I think, in some ways, kind of co-opted some of the refreshing nature of our movement, but that's another story, too. But, we forced the very top people at the University to deal with us very differently. I remember one of the vice presidents had a gathering at his house, and showing up in tennis shoes with a bunch of dykes. I'm sure that they had never had their living room full of lesbians before. And it was obvious.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3212.68,3289.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But we changed that process permanently.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3291.0,3299.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: So, you were ASUO President for one year, is that the term?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3299.05,3311.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Mm-hmm [affirmative], right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3310.92,3312.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And then you stopped being president, and then you continued with law school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3312.04,3315.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: I should have graduated then, but I finished law school— I took an extra term because I was— the job took too many hours, at least the way I did it. So, yeah, I finished law school. Then I went to work as the student advocate at Oregon State University in Corvallis because they wanted what we had after I was done with them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3315.69,3350.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: How long were you there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3350.42,3355.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: I was there for two years. I didn't get very far. The university administration was much more conservative. But, we were able to at least do a better job of informing students there how to challenge the university, how to do a lot of the things that the student advocate position here at the U of O did. I kind of laid the groundwork for that there. Never really took off. Although we did establish a Safe Ride there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3355.02,3393.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What year did you meet Jodie?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3397.9,3399.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: She came to the U of O in— I met her when I was student body president, so 1985. She wanted to come and look at me, so somebody brought her to look at me and they looked in the window at me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3401.13,3424.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you want to tell us about how you got to know her and your romance?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3424.24,3432.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Sure. We knew each other as law students, and she participated in the Gay and Lesbian Law Students Association, which, at the time we called Lambda Lambda Lambda, or the Tri-Lambs. I knew her, but we didn't date. But after law school, she came to see me, while she was still in law school, because she got involved in student government. I was in Corvallis and she came to visit me. We went to a concert together. Then got to know each other from there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3432.65,3481.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: When did you get together?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3486.79,3487.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Well, 1988.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3487.9,3489.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3495.38,3496.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: We went camping after the bar exam. I failed the bar the first time I took it, and was taking it again then at the same time as Jodie. We actually went to lunch at the bar and her friends were hassling her, \"What are you doing? You're trying to get a date. This is the bar exam.\" Two-day horrible exam. But, anyway, we started to date long distance. Then in 1990, we married and moved in together. I moved to Eugene because she had a good job by then, and I was traveling around a lot anyway because I was Executive Director of the, what was then called the Oregon Student Lobby. It's now the Oregon College and University Student Association.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3496.31,3561.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: When you say you married, what do you mean?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3561.1,3565.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: I mean we— We were very conservative. We sent out invitations to family and friends. We were married in our backyard in Eugene.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3565.13,3577.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was the legality of that marriage at that time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3577.08,3579.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: We signed our wills and our powers of attorney at that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3580.11,3590.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: So, this was before domestic partnerships?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3590.75,3596.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Before any of it, 1990, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3596.7,3600.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: So, it was more like a commitment ceremony, but you considered it a marriage.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3600.29,3604.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: It was. It was. My parents came. Her brothers traveled across the country to come.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3604.73,3613.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3613.74,3614.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Her brother sang at our wedding.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3614.87,3617.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: I think we've only mentioned Jodie's first name.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3617.95,3620.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3620.57,3621.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: The person you're talking about—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3622.08,3623.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Is Jodie Mooney.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3623.81,3624.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And Jodie is her nickname.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3626.7,3629.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Right. Josephine Mooney. Josephine Hatcher Mooney. She's an elected official here. She's currently a Circuit Court Judge.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3629.62,3639.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: I know you've been interviewed about this before, but what were your plans to have children, or to raise children? What was your thought about your family?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3639.59,3650.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Well, I had always wanted to have kids. I knew a few lesbians, early on, who had children, mostly from failed marriages, but I was always fascinated by that. That here were these proud lesbians with these beautiful young people. So, I saw myself sitting with a young girl and showing her how to bead a necklace, or whatever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3650.97,3691.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anyway, I had this idea that it would be wonderful to raise a child.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3692.51,3696.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was one of the reasons my first partner and I split up, is that she said she had no interest in children.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3699.0,3707.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At that time, back in the ‘70s, gay culture was really gay culture.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3708.59,3713.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We didn't want to get married because that was too much like straight people. We called people who had children, “breeders,” okay. We weren't even necessarily monogamous. It was different.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3714.53,3730.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But there was this kind of sea change, and I think many of us understood that, \"Okay, it's that whole assimilation thing.\" As assimilation becomes possible, you gain and you lose.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3731.43,3750.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We focused on the gain and wanted to have kids. Jodie and I had talked about having kids. We didn't right away because I got really sick about a year after we married. Poor Jodie. I was diagnosed with severe rheumatoid arthritis, and it's been a feature of my life ever since. But that desire to have kids never went away. So, we did. We had two kids. I tried to have kids, but there's a delay in achieving pregnancy with people with rheumatoid arthritis. Also, Jodie was younger than me, so she volunteered. We had two kids.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3753.87,3804.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They were born in '97 and '99. They're now nineteen and twenty- one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3804.41,3810.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And you were involved in lesbian parent groups?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3810.59,3815.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Yes. We helped start what I know of as probably the second lesbian parenting group here in Eugene. The first one was LMNOP.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3816.11,3830.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Which stands for?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3832.78,3834.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: For—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3834.43,3834.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Lesbian Moms ‘N Other People.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3834.98,3838.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: And other people, right. But we weren't part of that group. We were just behind having our kids. So, we formed the group that was eventually named, against my better judgment, the “Rainbow Rascals.” That group still meets. Still does a little community service work. And still camps out together once a year. At first, we met every month for the kids to play together. We wanted our children to know that there were other families that looked like theirs right from the start. And they always did know that. They're all friends on Facebook now, and still show up at each other's graduations and such. It's been good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3838.19,3897.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: I remember hearing you talk about lesbian parents that you knew in Eugene filling a role of super parents in schools and volunteer things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3897.1,3909.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3909.72,3910.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: I'm just struck by your memory being six years old and hearing this horrible story. Really, I've never heard anything so horrific. Then seeing yourself, from that story, becoming a parent yourself, and is there any connection between what the expectation was of lesbian parents and what you wanted to show?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3910.15,3933.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: I'm not quite sure what you're asking.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3935.31,3939.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Something about stereotypes about whether lesbians can raise children, what you wanted to show as a parent?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3939.32,3947.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Well, in some ways, I felt that I had always been one of those people who was just way out there. And that if that was something that I could do, I should do it. I was the little girl who was carving other girls’ names into a tree. I was the girl who said to my friends at age twelve, \"Well, I guess the fun's over now. We're supposed to grow up.\" I was the girl who kissed a girl behind the high school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3947.59,3997.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And was part of the Thespian Club in high school. I was out a lot of— to as many people as I could be, as much as I could be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=3999.02,4015.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I kind of lost one of my first jobs I ever had in a nursing home kitchen because I was tired of being invisible. I went down to the U of O bookstore. It was the only place I knew where to get it. And had the letters, gay pride, ironed onto a white T-shirt and wore it to a staff meeting. They were not happy with me after that. I quickly lost that job. Partly my fault, but their's too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=4016.58,4049.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, the idea of being part of this group of people parenting, and showing that we were about living, what for us was normal lives, and raising healthy kids, and being a part of society. A full participant. That's what I used to always say. We want to participate fully in the richness of life instead of living on the edge.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=4050.39,4098.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"For me, parenting was part of that, that I would parent as an out parent. But I wasn't going to creep around the school. Instead, I was going to be the Chair of the PTO, and that's what I did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=4100.31,4116.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You make some sacrifices doing that too. I had to work to get invited to the volunteer meetings because I wasn't invited at first.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=4119.13,4130.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The way you did that was by doing the work nobody else wanted to do. So, I did all the fundraising. I put together all those baskets at all those fundraisers, all those auctions. I went and asked somebody to give us a bicycle, something the other mothers didn't want to do. And I did all that stuff. And gained some respect in the process. Not only from them, but from my kids.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=4133.16,4168.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: You've talked a lot about the excitement about being in a gay and lesbian community, but we do have a general question, which is, were there specific joys about being a part of a lesbian community?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=4175.31,4192.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Well, we were free. Once you're an outlaw, you don't have to follow the rules. We felt that we were creating our relationships, and our families, in a way that suited us. We put together a household, at one point, that lasted about six years, where it was I and my partner, and my best friend, who was a gay man. We lived together, and loved each other, and supported each other. I remember people at work— This was the nursing home, going, \"Must be like Three's Company.\" That was a TV show at the time, where two women lived with a man. That was the only context they had for what we were doing. But we knew what we were doing. And we all loved each other. The only sexual relationship in the house was between my partner and I. But we created this family that was not like other families. And you could do that, and acknowledge it, that, \"Oh, we love Tom. He's part of our lives.\" In the straight community, there is no context for that. We didn't see that happening beyond roommates in college, but we were past that. My partner and I, at that time, talked about having kids, and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=4192.66,4319.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you see yourself as being a political activist around issues of aging? Lesbian aging?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=4319.14,4332.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: I have not been, and yet some of us are talking about what kind of community we will create as we age. I think that that very much is on many of our minds. I see us just beginning that process. I'm sixty-three. My partner's fifty-six. A number of our friends are between those ages. It wasn't too long ago, a couple we've been close to for many years, were talking about moving to the country, near the beach. One of them said to me, \"Would you ever consider going and living on land like that?\" She was warming up to some kind of invitation. I said, \"You know, I love that idea, but I'm too medically fragile to live that far from good medical care.\" As a group, I see us beginning to talk about what this might really look like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=4332.33,4430.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then we have some role models, who are just a few years older. We know this one group of people who are around age seventy. They knew each other all their lives, and met and vacationed together off and on. A few of them knew each other from college, and so on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=4431.3,4450.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They've all gradually moved to Eugene. So, they have this community. It's very intentional that we're going to take care of each other. It started out as four couples, and one of the people in one of the couples passed away, which kind of was the urging point, They all sped up their plans. The rest of them, the seven of them, are now in Eugene, and they're keeping an eye on each other.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=4450.94,4480.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, it's like, \"Okay, there's that.\" And then there's the possibility of actually going someplace and living together in some way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=4481.01,4490.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's another couple, who we've known since childhood, or I have, who are in Portland. They're like, \"You know, I think we're going to start moving toward Eugene.\" We're like, \"Good, because I think we're here for a while.\" So, I think people are beginning to talk about this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=4492.14,4514.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Using the word “activist” is a little bit hard because, for me, there have been times I considered myself an activist just for openly living my life. And other times when I considered being an activist, it's doing something a little more than that. Doing something to at least put yourself in the public eye or something. So, I don't know. I don't know if I'll do that piece. Certainly, I'll openly live my life and share that with people. I feel like I'm right on the edge of what that's going to look like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=4515.34,4551.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Since you've had dealings with the medical world, do you feel, as a lesbian, that you worry about your care, your medical care as you get older, or attitudes about lesbians in the medical world?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=4553.1,4567.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Yes, but less about being a lesbian as about simply being an aging woman. I feel that I'm often discounted, not believed. There's always this series of hurdles. An old, fat woman with a chronic disease, trust me, has some uphill battles to fight just to get their attention. Often the issue of being a lesbian doesn't play into those.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=4573.89,4619.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It doesn't even come up. When you go to the emergency room, they don't ask you if you're a lesbian. But they can see all the rest of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=4620.31,4629.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's right there. I'm sure they can see the lesbian thing too, but— maybe it's more than I realize.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=4630.31,4638.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: I love your vision of lesbians moving back to Eugene to recreate space here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=4639.88,4644.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Yeah, it's kind of interesting because I have felt that there was a time when Eugene was the place to be. Then, time when Portland kind of stole our identity. Every once in a while, they even call themselves the Emerald City, and it's like—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=4644.24,4665.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Is there anything else you'd like to bring up?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=4665.11,4672.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: Wow. I guess I should've anticipated that question. Eugene's been a good place to be. It's a place where we really made a home for ourselves, really in kind of a sea of grass seed. It's been a liberal place. It's not as liberal as some people think it is. It's very polarized, actually. It's been a good life here. It's not a place I intended to stay, but I did. Good jobs. Good people. More fabulous people than I could get to know in a lifetime, really.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=4674.91,4745.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Well, thank you very much. We appreciate it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=4746.21,4751.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Thanks so much, Lynn.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=4751.66,4751.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pinckney: You're welcome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=4751.92,4753.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[END OF INTERVIEW]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569#t=4753.32,4756.82"}]},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56368/file/130569/transcript/92605/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/605/original/4751_Coll520_do044_aligned.vtt?1776852371","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/605/original/4751_Coll520_do044_aligned.vtt?1776852371"}]}]}]}