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All right, here come the city of Syracuse, condemn the place, and toe it down. Wheeze of death to all the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=5.5,22.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e me now. Downtown is building up and is pushing people out and it's being done by design and that's what you know that's why I'm talking about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=22.96,33.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e That's a bunch of malarkey. Nobody plans the use of another man's property in Houston. There is no zoning board. The planning commission merely determines where utilities and streets are located. Nobody has planned what to do with somebody else's property. I'd like to see, I want to understand what forces are at work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=34.27,51.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e So I think that if we all know what forces are at work, we can at least prepare it in some way to make some decisions about our own lives.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=54.27,63.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Mic tap. Mic tap again. Mic Tap. Second Mic Tap","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=64.12,66.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e In the first episode, we filmmakers set out to discover what forces are destroying the fourth ward as historic black neighborhood at the foot of booming downtown Houston. Tom, a black journalist, tells us that there's a conspiracy between the city government, big business, and the slum landlords to eliminate the neighborhood, drive out poor blacks, and turn the area over to commercial development. We refuse to believe this story without proof. Tom says he'll show us. Louis Walsh, however, president of the Chamber of Commerce, denies that there's a conspiracy. The fourth ward, he says, is simply caught up in economic forces, nothing more. The poor people who live there, however want to stay. Conspiracy or not, what are their chances?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=68.75,110.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 7:\u003c/strong\u003e All right now, this is the key to Houston. Okay, 4th Ward is the first black school in Houston, was Booker T. Washington. 4Th ward is the Key to Houston for the black people. Now, we don't want you to wipe it out. I mean, I don't live out here no more, but I was raised out here and I don, don't none of us want to see y'all. Make all this parking lot a part of town because this is a this is this this means something to four ward is uh what i mean the average person come back to four whore you know the first settlement of black people in houston within four whores see And it means more to us than just these shaggy houses.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=112.47,167.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e This story took place over a year ago. You're seeing it just about as it happened. And maybe you can make up your own mind. I need to go over it again in order to make up mine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=168.66,178.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 7:\u003c/strong\u003e They want town, all this to be parking lots or buildings. But then again, see, four waters, it means a lot to us. That's why we don't want to give it up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=179.55,189.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It's just like, well, those people in Ford Ward, those niggas in Ford ward are in the way, they're standing in the way of our progress. So we're going to, you know, ship them out as far as we can get them. The very end of South Park. How can you prove that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=190.32,204.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 8:\u003c/strong\u003e Can we see the...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=206.02,206.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Verify that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=207.37,207.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Tom's conspiracy theory seemed to be bogging this investigation down. Either we turn up some proof fast or I was getting out of it. Tom said those rundown houses were proof. Why wasn't the city enforcing the housing code in Fourth Ward? So we went down to the code office to put it to them point blank.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=209.04,223.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e One of the things that concerns me is when I, you know, I see what is happening in 4th Ward and one of the complaints that I continuously hear from people is that, you know, the one of reasons that the city is not enforcing the housing code in 4tht Ward is, you know, very systematically to drive the people out of 4th ward so that 4th...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=224.64,244.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e Can be primed for developers I can only say this Mr. Wright and I can say this with our reservation that that is an untrue statement the people in the fourth ward area are under the impression that the housing code enforcement section can tell a landlord you must fix this house and continue to rent it. I can't do that. I can tell a landlord. If you continue to rent this house and accept rent, you must bring the house up to minimum code standards. If you do not bring this house to minimum code standards, you cannot continue to leave it on the rental market. Now, it's up to the landlord to decide which is more economical, to leave it on the rental markets, to evict the tenants and tear it down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=245.04,295.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Is that what is happening in fourth war? Because we see a lot of abandoned houses, we see lot of houses that have been condemned, we see lots of vacant lots.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=295.9,302.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e Because if the landlord decides that I'm getting rent or income from this property which is causing me an indebtedness each year, then I would just as soon have the people out tear the building down, reduce the taxes, and pay the taxes on the property and hold on to my property until I feel that it is economically to my advantage to sell it for profit. Now if I do this, I'm eliminating housing. I need those houses. The city needs them. So what we're trying to do is to work with landlords to get them to repair the houses, bring them up to standard condition and continue to rent them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=303.44,341.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 8:\u003c/strong\u003e He's brought 4th Ward up in this thing. Let me ask, do you know of any tenant in the 4th Ward who has filed a complaint that the house or apartment that he's living in is not in compliance with the housing code and whose complaint has not been given due attention?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=341.87,360.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e The woman is in fourth ward, and she has a bathroom floor right now that is not a floor. The commode is about to go through the floor. What's her address?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=363.08,373.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e And I'll pull the file and show you that that is not a true statement. That we do have a file on it that the owner says he can do one of two things. Either he will receive assistance in repairing it or he'll evict the tenant.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=376.44,389.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 10:\u003c/strong\u003e I can't give you the address, the exact address. I'll have to look at my notes and give it to you. I don't think you can prove the statement you just made either, Mr. Wright. Well, that's my objection.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=390.43,398.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You all keep, you know, wanting to get away from the whole situation in 4th Ward and my, you know... I've done too much study on 4th ward not to know that the code is not actively enforced and we can... I think the best thing to do is to drive up and down the street to 4th wards, go in those individual houses, you now, because the people, if people have been systematically, you know denied this information that you just said, you wish that people could have, they've been systematically denied it, don't know that they can come down here. And then therefore their living condition","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=399.72,430.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e just one question. How many times have you been to this office to check the information you received in the neighborhood? When people are asking about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=434.21,441.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e When people asked me, I was here almost every day. You have not been here in three years. I found out, like the citizens in Fourth Ward, that nothing is going to be done and houses like the one John Bennett lives in are going to continue to exist in Fourth ward because the city is determined that people in Fourth Wards are to be driven out of Fourth Ward and that the plan is already designed, that those people are going go and that Fourth Ward is going become commercial property.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=440.65,464.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e Bring me those addresses where you say that those people have complained about substandard quarters and code enforcement has not acted. And I will be happy to admit, if you show me that those have complained to this section that we have not acted, that we are failed. But unless you will bring me those addresses and come to this section... And let me show you my side of that story, then I don't think you are being fair to the city of Houston, nor are you being fair to me as the Chief of Housing Code Enforcement. You are talking about what you did. Wait a minute, now wait, I'll let you talk. Let me, I'm gonna let me finish. No, I will do that. You let me interrupt you, don't interrupt me. Three years ago, Pete Benosky left this section in July of 1973. This is July of 1976. I have been here three years. That is not a true statement. You have not been inside of this section in three years, you do not know that what you are saying is true. I would not tell you that you didn't eat breakfast this morning because I wasn't with you this morning. Don't tell me what code enforcement didn't do in the last three years because you haven't been with code enforcement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=465.8,543.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e All right, let's do this, okay? You know, I've been challenged on the point, you know, and I feel an obligation to respond to the challenge. If you will do two things, I'll make a deal with you. I'll bring you those names and those addresses and everything else. If you, if you will in turn, agree to go to fourth ward with me and confront those people who also say that the housing code enforcement division has done nothing on their complaints. Will you do that? Here's my card, when you wanna go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=543.57,570.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e Let's go, uh, whenever we can. No, not whenever. You tell me. Let's do it when. I work for the city and you're a citizen, so I work for you. You want to go? We'll go when? Wednesday morning. Ten o'clock Wednesday morning? Is that all right? A little later? Dive, you got it down? Don't be here like you did today now. Don't' be an hour late. Oh, that's great. Fourth Ward is a newsworthy area. Okay? I know it. You know it? As a black man, it's a very newsworthy area because you say Fourth Ward and everybody says, Oh, underprivileged! But let's face facts, gentlemen. The people in Fourth Ward created some of that problem. I can't correct it in three years, but I'm willing to try. What do you mean they created the problem? Because they would accept those substandard conditions. They continued to pay rent over the years when plenty of rental property was available to move to. They would not move. They continued to pay their rent and accept substandar conditions. This is what created the housing code enforcement in the first place, am I right? You're right, I was here. So, if they lived there and created this condition, now that we have... Or ordain an agency to correct these evils. How can we do it overnight? But I will take a darn good swing at it, and I will do whatever I can do, anytime, to show you that it can be cured, but it's going to take time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=571.22,662.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But fourth war doesn't have the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=662.66,663.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e Then fourth ward is going to have to change the ordinance because the ordinance is a time-consuming thing. To cure fourth ward evil, we will do just the thing you're saying we don't want to do. We will have urban renewal. We will clear up all of the substantive housing and we will have vacant lots.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=664.48,685.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Wednesday morning, the housing code chief was right there waiting for us to prove to him that his office had not been doing its job. We went back to the same people we'd interviewed earlier, those whose stories had moved us and made us suspect the city in the first place. We'd been slapped down for not having our facts straight. What would Johnson do when he heard these people's stories? Round one, we went back and see the woman who told us her house was falling apart and the owner refused to do anything about it despite her complaints.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=689.62,716.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e Does not afford privacy to a person using it. That is one of the requirements. It must be able to provide privacy to the person using the bathroom. The other is there should always be three facilities, a lavatory, a commode, and a bathtub or shower. They have the commode and the bathtub, but no lavatory. The lavatory is missing, which is a violation. The other, is that there is an obvious leak around this commode. And it reduced the flow to a point where it's almost unsafe. The entire area is unsanitary. Obviously, the entire bathroom needs to be remodeled. He comes by and collects your rent. And you complain to him about the violation?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=717.1,757.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 11:\u003c/strong\u003e I tell him, and he tells me that he'll tell the lady that owns the house, you know, because he can't do no more of what she says. And I understand this lady's real sick. I think she's old, and she's real sickness. Have you complained to anybody in the city about the violations? I've been complaining to my along. Who? To just the man that come, you don't come collecting rent.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=757.95,779.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e I know, I say, have you complained to anybody in the city about the ballot? This is the only way...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=780.57,787.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Round one turned out a draw. Johnson's people were supposed to have looked at all the houses in the fourth ward, but hadn't gotten here yet. On the other hand, the tenant had not complained to the city. It looked like Johnson had got off the hook on a technicality.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=787.32,798.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e To check this house simply because we are coming back for the second check of the fourth ward area. The only thing I can do is depend on citizens to call me and tell me that the landlord has not taken any action on their complaint. When this happens, then we start.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=800.18,815.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Round two. This time we thought we had him. Old Mr. Brown had told us in the last episode how he'd had a little shop and was making a decent living when the city came along, condemned the building, and drove him out. Now he hardly made enough to live. What would Johnson say to that? Brown showed us the lot where his shop once stood. The weeds were there, just like he had said. But this time his story was different.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=817.09,838.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Until it down, Ms. Rosie said she didn't care what to do with it. I stayed in it, oh yeah, making a pretty good living in it. Victroles taking in $25, $30 a week. Pool table was taking in 25, 30, $40. And I was shining $25 or $30 with her shoes a week.\" Had a little candy shop there, and the children stayed in there buying candy and shooting pool. I was making a pretty good living. But all at once, the house went to caving in. I asked Mrs. Rosie if we could put a little paint on it, and she said, I don't care if it falls down, I ain't gonna do nothing about it. For you to stand there as long as you wanted them, you ain't payin' nothin' to mount to nothin'. And I don't care to fall down. That is gone now and I can't raise your rent. And I ain't thinkin' about doing nothin' too. Finally they condemned it. Told me that I had to find somewhere to go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=838.4,907.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 8:\u003c/strong\u003e Here's the case.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=908.88,909.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 12:\u003c/strong\u003e The city's code turns a person out of his work and his livelihood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=910.729,914.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e Makes it difficult for him. What's your answer to that? He didn't turn him out. The landlord did. The landlord owns that property. It is an investment. They either have to meet the city's standards with the property or tear it down. He was not evicted by the city, he was evicted by the landlord. She either had to go to court to show why she was renting a substandard building or bring it up to standards. So she evicted the tenants instead. Once she got the tenant out, then she let the building stand. Well, as long as they could leave it standing without us condemning it, they were able to by keeping it boarded up and cleaned up. Once it reached the point that it was a danger to the people crossing on the sidewalk, then it was condemned. And once it was condemn, they either had to tear it down or the city was authorized to tear down. And the council gave the city authorization to tear that down, and we did. That was a long procedure, which it usually is, to demolish a building.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=914.98,969.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I didn't blame them for tearing it down because if a hard wind coming, a big northern one, them raptors lot will fall off and hit somebody and kill them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=971.12,979.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e That was the reason it was torn down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=980.18,981.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Why not tear it down? It is rich and won't fix it up. That big grocery store with plenty of property and everything wouldn't fix it up but I don't blame them for condemning it. I've condemned it too if I'd had the power.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=982.11,994.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, Johnson had scored again. It was clear to me that the conspiracy theory was dead wrong as far as housing code was concerned. The code just simply didn't have the power to stop the deterioration in Fourth Ward, no matter how hard it tried. After all, what did it matter who would put Brown out in the cold? The fact was he was out there. At that point, I began to feel we were in the presence of a larger force, something those slum landlords had seen coming.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=996.03,1020.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 13:\u003c/strong\u003e They talk like they want to borrow this area at one time. That's what we hear, you know, things like that. Who is it, yeah? Well, no, I never have came to any of their meetings now. Mr. Filippone. Do you know him around here, Joe Filippon?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1023.83,1035.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e He knows a lot about this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1036.56,1037.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 13:\u003c/strong\u003e He knows a lot about it. He goes to the meetings, but I never did. But if they sell, and we have a chance to sell, I'll sell too, you know. What meetings are these? I don't know. Some meetings that they meet up with different people that come here that want to buy, you know, that want buy in this area because it's so close to town, you know, so close the downtown. 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Then they said different people from up east and of course I don't know them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1062.73,1071.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 14:\u003c/strong\u003e That's about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1073.77,1074.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 13:\u003c/strong\u003e You can't go up on a rent too much, they don't... You can go up... No, I haven't went up on any of my rent. It's been like this for 10 years or 15 years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1084.94,1094.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Are you getting kind of tired of hassling with the property?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1095.3,1097.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 13:\u003c/strong\u003e No, just like I say, I come here just once a month or sometimes twice a month and they pay me right away and I don't have too much trouble. Of course, I don' like to go, I live so far out now, but I don't like to back and forth too much. But like I said, since I'm getting older and you always, when you get older, it's not one aching pain, it's another. So, but, I'd like to get rid of it if I could. There's somebody else a chance to bill if they want to bill on it, whatever they want to do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1098.219,1127.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e One day about 8 years ago, the Houston Center Corporation bought up 33 square blocks of downtown Houston property. They prepared secretly for a year and a half and then almost overnight they tied up the deal. Although it didn't have anything directly to do with the fourth ward, it was over on the east side. We wanted to see something that symbolized what was happening downtown.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1133.04,1151.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 15:\u003c/strong\u003e Right now we're pouring the mat, which is the foundation for the building. They've been started out here about seven o'clock this morning. They've poured out about eight or nine hundred yards already. And making good progress.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1154.03,1170.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 12:\u003c/strong\u003e How much is this thing going to cost? I think it's in the neighborhood of 50 million dollars. For one building? For one village. What do you think about going downtown here? Is that going to be good for you? Well, it's good for me. It keeps me in the job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1172.03,1190.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 15:\u003c/strong\u003e How about you? Well, I'm about like him. He's keeping me in work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1193.25,1197.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e What was going on was growth. That word was going to become more important. It was obvious that for some people the growth of Houston was a good thing. That put us in front of a dilemma. What might be bad for the people who wanted to stay in the fourth ward might be good for a lot of other people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1197.95,1217.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 15:\u003c/strong\u003e I think so. It represents a good, strong, steady growth, because I'm from Dallas, and I just moved down here to take on the construction, architectural aspects of the job, and Dallas is pretty dead compared to Houston. I had my own business up there, and it didn't make it. So I'm down here where the action is. Houston's really growing. What do you think this will mean for the city?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1220.18,1247.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 12:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I didn't hear what he said, but I think this fits into the overall theme of Houston, really. It shows rather graphically that Houston is indeed a dynamic growing city, and Houston Center wants to be a part of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1248.16,1262.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 16:\u003c/strong\u003e If you look over the United States, the cities that are growing and changing and keeping up with modern times are those that have a vital downtown area. And if you have that, the suburbs likewise have the vitality. If you looked at a city where the downtown has died and you have a central core that has gone to all slum areas. Then the suburbs, as they go out in ripples from the downtown, will begin to suffer too. And you do not see a dynamic city that does not have both things, the downtown area and the suburban area. They are interdependent.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1264.15,1308.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e So you're saying that you cannot just have major development in suburban areas at decentralized city the way some planners are talking about","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1309.14,1316.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 16:\u003c/strong\u003e We've gone through a phase where everyone wanted to leave the city and move out to the suburbs. Now the city is large enough that there is a category of person that wants to be downtown. And we think that this trend will continue.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1317.77,1333.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e With people who live out there in Memorial and River Oaks and all of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1334.98,1338.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Want to move.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1339.26,1339.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e They have nice homes out there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1339.7,1341.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 16:\u003c/strong\u003e There will always be people that want to live in the suburbs, and there will be a growing number of people who want to live downtown, close to their work. There are a lot of reasons for it. You have your travel time. As the suburbs continue to expand, as they do, you're looking at one to two hours in and back in the afternoons. So you spend a lot of time in the cars. You're spending more and more money every year as the cost of the gasoline goes up, the cost car maintenance goes up. We're going to continue to see an energy shortage through the rest of our lifetime, up to 2,000 at least. Gasoline will be more expensive. We'll see more and rapid transit developing. Now that means that the central core becomes more important. We've gone through the phase of people wanting to move to the suburbs for convenience. They're going to want to move back to the center of the city for economic reasons and for convenience as the center comes back. The downtown is still surrounded.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1343.7,1410.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Surrounded by a number of flum areas. And we hear of increasing violence and crime every day. What can you do if you want to make it...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1410.97,1420.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 16:\u003c/strong\u003e Agreeable","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1421.02,1421.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e to ensure the...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1422.02,1423.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 16:\u003c/strong\u003e That's one of the problems, of course, and one of, one of the reasons why I think right now today we don't see more people living in this immediate area. I think as, as this trend continues for people wanting to come back, and we already see an increased interest in people moving back downtown, as that trend continues and as development goes on, you're going to see that ...atmosphere replacing... The atmosphere that you were talking about. And we're going to see, the city is going to have to cooperate more to eliminate those problems too in the downtown area.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1426.4,1463.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 17:\u003c/strong\u003e What we have here is an aerial shot of downtown Houston, which was taken a number of years ago, and superimposed on this shot is the total Houston Center project, which encompasses 33 square blocks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1464.48,1478.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e We're the residential friends.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1479.11,1480.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 17:\u003c/strong\u003e Uh, thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1481.06,1481.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e How many places were planned in that project? Well, in the first place,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1481.93,1485.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 17:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, in the first master plan, I think they were planned in something like 1,500 apartments. So it would be about 3 or 4? No, I'm sorry. I think there were about 5,000 apartments planned.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1485.18,1495.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e And besides residential.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1496.56,1498.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 17:\u003c/strong\u003e We plan to have hotels and, of course, office buildings and hotels will attract other businesses. There will be a demand for restaurants. There will a demand of entertainment facilities. And we foresee a mix of all the things that people want to live with. And the central city, of, course, in Houston particularly, we think will attract people back downtown and these things will be necessary. And they'll also be economically viable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1501.86,1529.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e This is really not just some buildings in downtown.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1530.26,1533.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 17:\u003c/strong\u003e To be something else. Well, it's a place for people to live and work, which includes a lot of open areas. People could spend their lives in that area, right? Well, they could, but I'm sure that like anyone else, they'd like to go to the beach sometimes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1534.04,1547.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 18:\u003c/strong\u003e And Santa really is a city within a city. And that's what the master planners, when they conceive the whole idea, we're thinking about and working for a city within Houston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1548.85,1558.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Houston Center's argument was that if we don't improve downtown and draw the affluent people and business back in, the city will suffer. So that was bound to put a pressure on the people of the fourth ward.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1560.629,1571.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 14:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it's a good shot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1571.67,1572.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 7:\u003c/strong\u003e Does that convey the idea? It sure does. That's the reality of the situation. We are being surrounded by granite, steel, and stone, and, uh... We're just going to learn how to deal with that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1575.85,1597.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e What does Antioch mean to the fourth war?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1597.57,1599.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 19:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it means the fact that here I am as a black person, that I've been here, that this is black history itself. That was one of the things that black people wanted people to know, that we are here. We were here, and we are still here. One of the arguments is that City Hall wants us moved, that they need that property for downtown, that are in the high-rise apartments or high-rises buildings. Where Antioch is. But that's one of the gimmicks that is used to get us out, that the downtown people of the city wants the spot where we are. And I don't believe they do, but that's what they sell our people. And that if you don't move, you'll be pushed aside and pushed out by the freeways and by the high-rise buildings. But they have a church in downtown Manhattan. It's a little church around the corner, but it's still there. I don' see why Antioquia can't. Be a church for everybody downtown. Just because we are black doesn't mean we have to be pushed aside, but we've got that kind of feeling that anything we have can be taken away from us because we're black.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1600.47,1672.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 20:\u003c/strong\u003e There was probably no one who was more often accused of wanting to take over 4th Ward and Antioch in any way he could than Kenneth Schnitzer. We had two questions. Did he want Antioche? Why? Did he wanted the 4th ward? We thought we better approach this one slowly. First, a few general questions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1673.29,1688.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e One of the things that we wanted to know, we look at the downtown as you have here on this on this model and see buildings going up everywhere and we were wondering you know essentially what is the vision that you as a developer hold that would make the downtown business section an attractive one in Houston whereas all across the country business downtown districts are you know decaying.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1689.64,1711.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, we have an interesting situation in Houston that is somewhat unique in that we have the viability that is sought after by all major urban centers throughout the country and it's, I think, brought about by several factors, one being we do not have branch banking in Texas and so that all of your major financial institutions are in the central Learners District. And their sphere of influence has helped stabilize and bring forth that viability. I think the fact that we have three or four of the major law firms in the United States headquartered in the downtown area and with their spheres of influence have also made a major contribution to the downtown central business district. I think that our growth also has been related to the fact the development of downtown real estate. Has been in strong hands of financial institutions and other types of institutions that allowed it to develop in a credible fashion. You don't find the gimmickry and development of buildings in this city that you do in others that would maybe be the future slums 20 years out. What risks do you as a developer face? If the EPA comes back as they tried two years ago and put controls on the development of the city to where we could not build shopping centers, office buildings, anything that would attract automobiles, then it would stop the entire growth of the city. Obviously that's a threat because you can never tell what someone's going to do in the name of environment. And although I'm not an environmentalist in that sense, I believe that the concept philosophy makes sense, but I think it's gone to an extreme. I think the energy crisis and the inability for the Congress to come up with a decisive program that would allow our major oil companies to make decisions for growth, expansion, exploration could very dearly affect the economy of Houston. We're getting ready to build a 60 million dollar building, this number two Allen Center. It's completely speculative, we have no tenants to start out with, and we're betting on the growth of this city, and to the extent that we don't get that growth, there's some financial medicine that we're going to have to take. But there are other things, if the city fails in its job to provide utilities for any part of the metropolitan area, it can materially affect development. Right now. There's a moratorium in certain parts of the city on sanitary sewer connections, which means that as a developer I can't go in that area and develop anything until new sanitary sewer capabilities are developed to serve that area. Fortunately, the central business district has got adequate utilities, so there's just all kinds of threats to someone building on a speculative basis without any prior commitments. But without that speculation, it wouldn't be impossible for us to enjoy the growth from the external market, the Eastern seaboard, where these corporations have chosen Houston to relocate. You have to have the merchandise, if you will, on the shelf in order for them to come in and relocate their thousands of employees. So it's a situation where Houston has always had that capability. More so in most cities.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1712.98,1943.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e That's the land where Antioch Church is right now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1944.33,1946.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e The Antioch Church is about in this location where we show a bunch of clump of trees. And if Antioche does elect to stay there, which is quite possible, you can see where we would then locate the buildings around the church property. At this moment I can't really say whether they're going to be there or not. We've been negotiating with them now for about four months and I think that sometime in the next 90 days the congregation is going to make that decision. Why would you have to get Antioch Church out of there? I mean, it seems you don't have to, you don' have to. It's just that actually there's a little bit of in Congress perspective. If you're going to have a commercial project like the Allen Center with a church there, they actually are the ones that initiated it with me because of the inadequacies of the facilities and whether or not we can get together on the economics remains to be seen. Is that this is the version that sees you hovering like a vulture, is that with a great growing Allen Center, it would really be not in keeping with its style to have a bunch to black people coming in around in that area. Well... I've tried as best I can to dispel that concept but you know just the very concept of the Allen Center and its growth and its continuity of development what have you would would bring forth that that thought process but it's wrong and I'm glad I have this opportunity to say it's wrong publicly because we don't want to present ourselves whether it's in the white community or the black community it's Houston to displace someone to accommodate commercial growth. And fortunately, it's going to be an elective thing. Four or five hundred people are going to have to make that decision, and Reverend Hicks, nor myself, nor no one or two individuals are going to make the decision. Just extending that idea a little bit, though, don't you feel that it would be detrimental to the growth of Allen Center, to have that slum area back in there and Fourth Ward? Well, I think that the slum areas are a discredit to the city, not just to the Allen Center. People who live in the fourth ward see themselves being gobbled up with by big business push. Is that area, at this moment, attractive to visit? No, it's not attractive to development right now. There's too much other land that's available that is... When you say development, I'm trusting you mean commercial development. And why would someone elect to build in the fourth ward when they can build in the Allen Center or the hospital property or whatever? It's closer to the... Very core of the central business district to the major shopping capabilities and there's just no good economic generator to attract private development of a fourth ward and I think that you're going to see the government, primarily the local government, in joining hands with the federal government.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=1946.26,2131.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e So Schnitzer said he didn't want to go in there. That turned us around. Instead he was telling us something new.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=2134.77,2141.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that's more a city responsibility. I don't think the private sector, although I think the private sector could join hands with the city in redeveloping some of the Fort Ward. Well, I think there are federal programs that are being offered that would allow housing and that the private sector can develop. I think a city could come in under their housing authority and condemn certain land with the other land would be used and developed for a better caliber and grade of housing. So I think it could be a joint venture between the private sector and the city and I probably think that's how it's going to be developed. Do you think then that there is a possibility to preserve some of that area for low cost or low rent housing for people of a low economic bracket? Well, the economics will not work, but the way the federal government spend some of its money on some of these federally subsidized programs, I'm not sure that that's going to be an overriding consideration. I think that there are going to other things that go beyond economics. But you cannot make low-rise housing available from the private sector and have it make any sense. But I think from a government standpoint they can and they will have to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=2142.26,2226.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 20:\u003c/strong\u003e A new question, would he schnitzer cooperate on that kind of deal?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=2227.53,2230.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e To do any federally subsidized programs and I hope we never will because real estate development today is a very complex, frustrating experience that relatively few people appreciate and to add to those problems by having to do business with Lord knows how many government agencies would not be something that I would seek out and very few developers who have much to do with the think anything, to the contrary. Well, your thought of as really a new breed of developer in town or in the area, and that with someone with...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=2231.33,2269.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Progressive ideas. If you can't do it, who can, you see?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=2271.03,2278.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Otherwise, the choice seems to simply wipe all of that out and turn it into another Allen Center or Houston Center or whatever. Well, that's a good question. I've never really thought about it from that standpoint. I would say that there are very few developers in the Southwest that are accustomed to doing business within the federally subsidized programs. They're more prevalent in the East. Northeast corridor and it's very possible that some of those builders and developers will have to be brought in. One, because they're familiar with the programs, they don't have the alternatives that developers in this area have of working on just private sector projects. And I would guess that would be certainly one of the first alternatives that would looked at. Because in the final analysis you're dealing again in an area that requires experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=2280.64,2334.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Said he wasn't interested. Still the notion that there was something that could be done for 4th Ward stuck with us. We continued to press Knitzer for a possible way that he might become involved.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=2336.02,2345.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 21:\u003c/strong\u003e What would you need from government in order to invest in the fourth ward?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=2345.5,2349.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e I'd want the land, first of all, cleaned up of all of its existing shanties. I'd wanna clean piece of land. I'd be assured by the city government of good utilities, of good ingress and egress above roads, access to the freeway system. I'd wana be certain that we were gonna get good transit capabilities into the central business district so that when we did rebuild that we would not have the problem of transportation. I think that anyone going in there would want those assurances and are entitled to them. I think having those assURances, you would find the private sector interested because it is a fine piece of land in its entirety. If you look at it in its relationship to the central business district, it's between here and River Oaks, the central businesses in River Oakes. But it's going to require leveling. And these commitments by city government before the private sector would ever attempt to make any moves in the way of development.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=2349.86,2418.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e So there it was, he wanted it leveled. That had been what Tom had been telling us all along, business wanted it leveled. We wondered if the city government was going about doing just that. Had, in fact, the city government approached him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=2419.45,2432.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Economically attractive for the private sector to go in and develop, and without that you will not see it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=2432.61,2439.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 21:\u003c/strong\u003e Have they ever come to you and say, well now, can you do this for us? I mean, have they put pressure on you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=2439.94,2444.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Haven't put pressure they've asked us if we would get involved in the development of the fourth redevelopment of the Fourth Ward and we said no until the things that I've outlined to you were taken care of. We do not want to spend the next 15 years championing the cause when we know that the economics are not there. If city government will go in as I think they will and as they as they have indicated a desire to do and create the environment then the private sector will go in. But yes, we've been invited to do that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=2445.45,2476.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, one thing was for sure, business and government do talk to each other, and they talked about the fourth ward. Probably any two-year-old could have figured that out, but it was good to have it down on film. It was obvious that the city was sensitive to business needs, but who was going to be sensitive to the needs of the poor? A question raced around in our minds. One of those dumb questions you're afraid to ask for people to find out just how stupid you really are. But Schnitzer was cooperative in giving us straight answers, so we thought we'd take the plunge. If business is the prime mover in this city and if poverty is a problem then why can't business take the lead in solving the problems of the poor?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=2477.85,2514.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 21:\u003c/strong\u003e Or done anything about it in Houston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=2515.2,2516.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I don't know if it's fair to say they have to do it. I think that there's certainly... Somebody's going to have to something. Well, I think when it comes to the vast amount of capital that's required today for development of that type, it's entitled, if it is coming from the private sector, to receive a return on its investment. Why would we pick out a certain segment of the industry and say it's your responsibility to take care of all of minority and ethnic problems in your community? It's a broad-based problem and it's got to be solved where the tax bite for it is spread on a broad base and you can't just say to a group of developers, it's your responsibility to undertake that. I think the best thing that can happen to this city is to clean up the slum areas that we have and the fourth ward is one of the best examples of it. It's just how do you do it? And it will be done. But I don't think you do it by... Adversely affecting people and government is responsible and when we stop being responsible we've got some bigger problems. People in government we talk to, outside of course the mayor, but even him, they say it's got to be the private sector if anything gets done in this community. Well because the private-sector historically has taken the lead in most of the major development of this city and that would be a typical So what you're suggesting is there has to be a change in thinking in that area because it's a 15, 20 year program. I don't know of any developer or development firm that would be willing to undertake it. It's going to have to at best be a joint venture with the private sector, but the private sector is not going to take the lead. I can assure you it'll be government.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=2518.41,2626.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I'd like to introduce you to James Blue.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=2629.09,2631.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e It was now time to let the people of the fourth ward know something about what we'd found out. Downtown was growing. Growth was seen as vital for the good of the entire city. And there was nothing that business could do to save the Fourth Ward for the people who lived there. Their last hope remained with the city government. So we interviewed the mayor and took it right away to show the people of the Fourth ward.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=2633.1,2657.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 12:\u003c/strong\u003e Things people had said, which we felt were important. The ones we picked out were simply...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=2658.25,2663.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e They were apprehensive about what the mayor would say before the show.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=2664.34,2667.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 20:\u003c/strong\u003e Reverend Smith insisted on telling us where he stood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=2667.97,2669.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 22:\u003c/strong\u003e Number one, we're not dealing with animals. We're not dealin' with houses, per se. We're dealin with people that live in houses. And this is a thing that has to be taken under consideration. A few years ago, the city planner, city planners came over to Mount Herbert and talked to me about what did I think about 4th Ward, the future 4th ward, about relocatin', this kind of a thing. You put a whole lot of blunt questions in there. And so my reply to him was that number one I didn't think about relocating because uh fourth ward is black heritage number one it uh it furnishes blacks a place to live comfortably I put it to him that uh when you think about people and their living environment You've got to consider people's feelings. You've gotta consider... How they feel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=2671.38,2728.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Why did you pick the Fourth World War? Well, for a number of reasons. I was struck by a slum area sitting so close to an enormously booming modern city. That's always been something that strikes me when I drive by. And I said, I'm gonna...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=2734.29,2751.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e To make a film, I want to find out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=2751.03,2752.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 23:\u003c/strong\u003e I ask that question on purpose, because there are a great many citizens who happen to be white who drive by the Fourth War, because they are so many citizens that are white that live immediately to the west of the Fourth Ward, and it is surprising how frequently if people come to this office. And identify the fourth war as a black community of some consequence in the city's overall picture. The truth is that the fourth ward in Houston is a dying community. It has been dying consistently for about the past 20 years. It is isolated from... The other areas where there are heavy concentrations of black population by the downtown center, by Allen Parkway and Memorial Drive. It is an area of the city that is dying in terms of its ethnic purity, as well as in terms of the quality of the structures that are that area. And it is not an area that is typical of Houston's black community. But I wanted to begin this conversation by pointing out to you that you have done what a surprising number of white citizens in Houston have done. There are, I would guess, some 350,000 black citizens in Houston. And the entire fourth ward population, what we identify as the fourth ward, probably has only about 7,000 people. That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=2756.17,2872.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I think though that, you know, that one of our concerns, you know, in identifying Fort Ward as an area to focus on is simply because it does represent what we feel is a microcosm of many problems that not only face blacks and poor, but also a number of other citizens in the community in terms of growth and people being a group of people who are systematically being run over with progress. You know, it was, you said that 4th Ward had been dying for about 20 years. There are some people, you know, who voice the condition that 4t Ward has been systematically killed, killed by the city, no city services going on there, and those kinds of things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=2873.39,2920.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 23:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that those people who say that are right, but that the Fourth Ward has not been killed by the city with any kind of intent. It's what has developed over the years with natural forces at work. I don't think that anyone has said in the mayor's chair that we're going to kill the Fourth War. It has just happened that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=2923.0,2944.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 21:\u003c/strong\u003e Could you review for us the logic and the growth of Houston that has allowed the area to deteriorate? It's obviously a favorable area for anyone to live.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=2945.43,2954.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 23:\u003c/strong\u003e The fourth ward is under traditional inner city pressures. That pressure principally is the pressure of land recycling, where you build a residence in the year 1900. By the year 1925, the price of that land is so high that residential use of it is no longer possible because you pay too much for the land. Yet business development is no longer, is not yet possible because it's still not quite there. So you have a long period of decay and deterioration of the residential aspect of the neighborhood awaiting what is the inevitable, the use of that land for commercial purposes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=2954.84,2998.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 21:\u003c/strong\u003e You can see how this breeds a terrific cynicism in the people, I mean not only of that community but of the whole city. They just, I would tend to think while that period is going on they say well these people obviously don't care about our faith.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=2999.14,3012.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e They're sitting there and they're saying the city doesn't care, in fact the city is in cahoots with big business to make this a good inviting place for business to come in and take it up, so they're not going to do anything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=3014.59,3029.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 23:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that's a pretty fair assessment of what we've been told. Oh yes, I agree that that is the opinion. But as I said earlier, I don't think it's true that the city is in cahoots with anyone. I think we're talking about natural economic forces here. But I do think that they're right in saying, in general, that the City just kind of doesn't care. But I don' think we don't care less about the Fourth Board than we don' care less about. Massive areas of Houston. We have never had a mechanism in Houston that permitted city government to care about neighborhood rehabilitation. Neighborhood rehabilitation has not been a city of Houston objective ever in our history until very recently when we, through the benefit of the federal government's community development program, got some money to begin caring about it. Most of the areas of Houston, after they are built, after the utilities are put in, after the roadways go down, the city of Houston spends very little money in, in terms of rehabilitating that neighborhood. We spend most of our money building new things. We spend most of our money building new streets, building new sewer systems, new storm systems. In areas where it would be advantageous for the economic growth of the city, that's where it seems to be. Or new development. New development or, yes, new development or for example, we will spend money in the fourth ward sometime in the next couple of years, as I recall, on the paving of West Dallas Street. We will go in there and buy. Right away to expand West Dallas and we're going to put a great big street right down the middle of the fourth ward, all of which may end up helping the fourth Ward, but it certainly will also help downtown Houston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=3031.15,3145.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e These people are going to be there another 10 to 15 years and they're going to it's going to be in the same rat-infested, mosquito-infest...chigger bites and mosquito bites all over.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=3146.81,3155.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 23:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it's a practical matter that the population of the fourth ward, of what we basically call the hardcore fourth ward will diminish consistently over the next ten years. And ten years from now there will be very few people who live in it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=3156.03,3170.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e And you're telling us then that really the city can do nothing at this point, change the nature of the living, as it even improves the condition of the city.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=3171.11,3179.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Conditions that are now affecting people every day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=3179.03,3182.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 23:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I don't say the city can't do anything. We can do some things. We do do some things. But to give you an idea of how serious we think the fourth ward situation is in the prioritization of the expenditures of community development money. The committee felt that the fourth ward was in such bad shape in terms of its future that they put it down at the bottom of the list with respect to community development.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=3183.15,3213.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Which automatically makes it...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=3214.58,3216.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 23:\u003c/strong\u003e It sure is a bad future. In other words, they figured that the fourth ward was like pouring money down the drain.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=3217.44,3223.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that seems sort of like a sad commentary on a system to me. The thing is that people live there, and I can't quite, you know, get over that feeling every time I go out there. I guess I happen to like 4th Ward, and I see people with homes there and children there. And people do say.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=3226.87,3247.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e To us they said we'd like to we'd like to continue later there was a guy who came up and says this real this fourth ward really is the roots of black freedom in Texas you know","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=3247.96,3258.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 21:\u003c/strong\u003e I think the reaction to that is that people are getting the feel that this town is run by business and business is not sensitive to all the aspects of this town. And so the two things that the business...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=3259.97,3273.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean that the town should be sensitive to it should be should be sensitive to business but it should also be sensitive people and the people who do not","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=3274.03,3280.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 22:\u003c/strong\u003e economic power.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=3281.53,3282.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 23:\u003c/strong\u003e I agree a thousand percent with that comment. The thrust of my administration has been to give the voice to a large number of people who previously have not had a voice. But it doesn't necessarily mean that the voice of the fourth ward should be louder than the voice the fifth ward, or the voice at Cary's Mayor, or of Acres Home, or the voice in some rather poor sections in the Sunnyside area of Houston, or in Cedigast, which is one of the worst areas of the city. This city is just full of people needs. It's full of neighborhoods that have problems. And as I began this conversation with you a few minutes ago, I've pointed out that the Fourth Ward seems to be the one area of Houston that the white folks always see because they're driving through it as they go to and from River Oaks. But I'll take it by the hand and I'll show you some places in Houston that are everybody as bad as the Fourth ward. In making people judgments in city government, we have. We have a wide selection of problems to address. The fourth ward is just one of them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=3282.62,3353.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 14:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=3364.47,3364.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Out here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=3365.38,3365.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 22:\u003c/strong\u003e Except that one. He's got you anyway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=3372.11,3374.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 24:\u003c/strong\u003e I have only one comment, one comment only. I, too, was not familiar of problems that were going on in the Fourth Ward. But we as people, we as Christians, need to stand together, and this is the only way I feel that we will be able to save the Fourth ward is to stand together and if we were to pray and believe, the Fourth so I would be a better place. I have this belief.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=3379.25,3409.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 25:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't have too much to say but, just as she said, if it's Christians, if we all stick together, mostly the, all of the Christians of churches, and the people, not only the people of, you know, the people that live in post wars, and we will stick together and get on our knees and pray and see what the mayors gonna do, and just as she said over there the next election, well you know we got to find out what he gonna do for you. Leave it up to God. That's the, that's the main to leave it up to. And if we stick together, I believe it folks want to be a better prince.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=3414.75,3450.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 22:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you know, I'd like to say this also, and I'm going to let Reverend Johnson have a word, but you know when this whole business with our beautiful mayor first started, you know, his first election, he came out to our church and in closed conference we had a long talk and the impression that I got of Mayor Hoffine's then was that he was the type of person. That would not, you know, treat you unfair, that he was the type of person that would give you a fair shake. And I told him, even when we were conversing, that the only way that he could be a mayor for the city of Houston is that he'd have to give all people the same consideration, you now? But you know it's just this old thing, you no? I tell you one thing before your face and behind your back is another thing altogether, you know? But I tell ya what? If Folk Ward is going to go, it's gonna go because the mayor who has the power to move is gonna set back idly and let it die. Because there's nothing we can do. We don't have the money. They have the, if we had the money we could do something, but because we don't have any money to do anything with, we are poor. But if we have the the money to something, what do we need with a big street, with a wide street, you know, West Dallas? We need houses. We don't live on the streets, we live in these houses, and this is where the money ought to be spent.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=3452.69,3539.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 14:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=3545.03,3545.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I did. The mayor is using Fort Ward citizens as a scapegoat. Say that again. He's using them as a skateboard. Because when he was interceding to get an allotment from the government of the $119 million, we met in Fort Ward. We sure did. We... Signed petition in 4th Ward, there were 4th ward people who helped him to get the $119 million. And now he and his representative indicated in the meeting that 4th Would be one of the first sections to be helped and then after they received the 119 million dollars both ward wasn't even conceded for a dime the most that they I'll say this using an old philosophy seemingly the mayor is speaking with the Falk term","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=3547.51,3613.569"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 14:\u003c/strong\u003e Clap your hands now!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=3620.19,3621.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e At your earliest convenience, I would like for you to engage the mayor to meet with us, Fourth Ward. Give us time. And we will be ready. We'll talk. Fourth Ward will be here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=3622.13,3635.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e In the next episode, the mayor comes to the fourth ward. Will the people be able to convince him that fourth ward is worth saving? The mayor stated that what's happening to fourth ward is just natural economic forces at work. You'll meet an economist who went to school with the mayor who says that the mayor doesn't believe what he says.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594#t=3643.4,3660.72"}]},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/14104/file/270594/transcript/79645/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/079/645/original/trint_Coll458_blue_fourth_ward_02_transcript.vtt?1747153574","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/079/645/original/trint_Coll458_blue_fourth_ward_02_transcript.vtt?1747153574"}]}]}]}