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Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=805.07,816.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You know what I kind of like. What surprises me is the number of directors I have met who say and says, I didn't know it was one of them. I was hopeless with actors. Not that I ever met him, but I met many people who worked for them. And they all said that his philosophy was, I pay them a lot of money to act, get out there and act. 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Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=837.48,844.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But tell me some more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=846.69,847.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e About these other building directors. Well, I'm trying to think of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=847.38,852.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e The ones that some of the. People like Hannibal, Joe Joseph, Hannibal, who directed the early Fairbanks pictures with the assistant director on intolerance, said, quote, that, oh, worship of Grant Griffith works on says a thing that Griffith impressed him about Griffith Most in his treatment of people is not the fact that he invented a close up and then move the camera and all that, right? But he said the fact that he told you as soon as you saw a person what kind of a person it was. And in the primitive era before 1914, when this really is not a done, you so talk to people against a backdrop and you didn't know what they were, except one had a black hat on, the white hat on the Griffith would show you. In a small gesture, the president used some very American expression I can't remember the woman is doing with corn shucking. That's right. And he said just that, immediately told you what sort of a person she was, the way he said it up on the porch and the atmosphere, and every single person who worked on Griffith said that that was his classic voice that got him get. He used to get up and give the most lamentable performances in South, which is a very bad actor. And he would get up there, he realized at the end, what are you doing? You and look a little ashamed and say, wow, something like that. And then he'd sit down, put his coolie hat on, and you get this trickling voice and the southern tinge to it. Richard, start working on the one I was shooting. And they didn't have music. He despised music like any others did. And you just had the camera going in the street. It was standing on them, and he and Lillian Gish and every one of them said that that got it. Whatever they were doing, it was completely void, frankly, creatively. And so, you know, I don't really know. Sirup. Oh, sirup. He would be talking and he would be talking. And then this one is way. And then I hardly hear you. You wouldn't hear the words. You just him talking. And then it would get a shot up and then react to it, you know, and you get these. Fantastic. Yeah. There's, there's long hill closeups. He does a Carol Dempster in pictures like stories. And so I've never seen that. No they're they're showing it now. Well that that that is if I didn't get started in parts of the world and I.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=852.36,986.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Do this, but but he just had.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=987.32,988.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Cuts in a long shot to an enormous thing six weeks later, and he just sat there for about five hours working on it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=989.31,995.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e Got it. And then they start turning and you go. Now they always tell you that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=995.73,1002.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, every single one of the people that worked with Griffith, Bessie, loved Lillian Gish, Dorothy Gish, Hannah Berry, Sidney Franklin, they all started with him and they worked with him and they knew him, what he was like. And they all agreed on this one point that he was always get gonna give a performance which was lamentable, so that they got confidence and they said, oh my God, I can do better than that. And then he sat behind the camera and started working on them, and they found that at rehearsals all the way through this period, they would ask the camera man to grind the camera without any film on it, so they could lose the backing. And it was going on the rest of the in the rest of the studio and and get this feeling. And they were helpless when it came to sound. The director couldn't talk to them. The music wasn't playing, there was no noise from the camera, was utter silence, and it was the silence of the talkies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=1003.47,1050.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e That killed them. I'm going to have to ask you to let me use.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=1050.62,1056.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e This right now. I'll say that you know the silence of the talkies. That's been my whole life. So you imagine just standing there and they say, all right, one on four, take one. And then. They go. Hello? Oh, terrible. Crash this out. In fact, you know, I mean, I know this is back to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=1056.83,1080.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e This kind of. You know, you could be the moralistic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=1080.83,1082.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e Hero after all these years, you know? Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=1083.57,1088.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And did they give you any other specific.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=1089.92,1090.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Examples of the. You're directed at the scene? Griffith. Yes. Alfred Lunt, tell me a very interesting thing that in the. And so, sadly, the sawdust. By this time, I know that film. Yeah. By this time, Griffith had lost his place as the leader of the industry. He's no longer doing this. He's 25. He would lunch, would go into the grocery scene. And Griffith would say. Talk to the grocer. What do I say, Mr. Griffin? Oh, can of beans, can of salt beef, whatever comes into your head. It's all right. Go ahead. You know, completely lost interest. And it's so beautiful. It's lovely, isn't it? And he said W.C. fields was gay in his way all the way through it. And Griffith wouldn't tell him what to do. Remember that scene where he starts paddling forward up the hill? Griffith a source. Collins said, the best I have is I can't go to the next round, and it feels a pain in his hat and they just let him improvise. As long as he likes in front of the camera, just sit back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=1091.48,1159.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e Marvelous symbol of the day with some beautiful things could come against it. Yes, yes. Kind of was the first time I'd ever seen her so distraught. Right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=1160.64,1168.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e They hate her in Hollywood. Later, they say the woman killed Griffin, or he fell in love with her and jettisoned all those other stars and tried to make a star. Dempster. And nobody wanted none of the exhibitors and other public wanted Carol Dempster. I wanted the eggs. They want her hamster. She's a pest and it's hard to say them. She's just unbelievably good. It's a beautiful film, but I find that very interesting about him. But I'm also fascinated by the French man. I bet he goes, he's my hero. And Napoleon is this picture that I always rave about. And hearing the way he directed was also fascinating. He would get up the ears of making a maniac, but a very delightful one. He got out the plane. Yeah. Have you seen the film? Oh, yeah. You remember the Marseilles sequence? He got up there and he gave them a political speech of such intensity lasting about half an hour. That they, you know, the people were completely won by this and began to get terribly excited. And then right at the climax of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=1168.96,1229.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know, maybe he was he'd give him a, a.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=1230.02,1233.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e A program speech. Yes. He give a patriotic Napoleonic rousing speech. And another thing, he turned up on the set of J'accuse, dressed in French Army officers uniform, and he had a revolver in his hand. You know, they start turning over the thing, and he wanted real fear on these people's faces and started firing in all directions. And that's what's coming next, you know. And then another scene with much later in his life, in the third in El Salvador, Bonini had to look into a mirror and imagine herself a lost soul. So she stared into the mirror. And you're l a camera lo! And he sat underneath it. He looked for some time, looking into this mirror, trying to look like a lost soul in the face of black blotting paper. I got to be useless. So he began to talk to her while the camera turned and it was in color, began to turn the telling of the mist pulling.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=1234.22,1284.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e They suggested that Helen think it was just a little thing called on her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=1285.05,1288.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Face grained color, so that you could see a color slowly disappearing. And and she meant a slight degree, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=1288.62,1297.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know, man. Yeah. Well, what that means. And we can talk a lot more about this. Some of the things you found at work. I was trying to read it. I understand one thing we.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=1299.11,1320.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Did, for one thing we found did not work, was to get the amateurs to learn lines, arrive on the set, predisposed the camera, predetermined the camera position to go bang! Action! You know, it just. They're hopeless. And there's one scene. We You have to do that just because you generally do with the schedules. Usually you find that if you don't, if you don't plan extremely carefully, your schedule starts eating a little bit. We found towards the end, the ideal method of doing it was as we thought it, as we did it in the battle scenes, was to stage a scene so that wherever you look, it's just scrupulously authentic that the you're in a street. Now here, first of all, you're dealing with a crowd. I'm sure Watkins will confirm this because he worked on picture. Okay. You have. You said he doesn't believe it to quite the extent that we do. And I think it shows in his pictures. But we make sure that if it's set in a particular period that you get, the vehicles are original. The clothes they wear are original, not just made up to large originally. Well, we scoured Europe for this stuff, but we've gotten one of the best. So when a small part extra is dressed in a uniform, which is totally correct, he gets a confidence that someone is taking care of him. Some days, times when someone has given him something which fits, which looks good, which is absolutely correct. He is not making believe he is and you stop adding to that set, covering up anything that is not an out of period, adding to it all the necessary things so that wherever he looks, he feels, you can't help but feel it. That's right, that's right. So that puts him on the environment. Yeah. So that by the time you're you're ready to turn over, there is very little you need to say. You know, if I can say look like a soldier, you don't have to because he is one. And this is follows the von Stroheim theory. When he was dealing with extreme cold, he would take as much care of the extras as he did over the leads. And you can see it in the pictures. I'm an extra appears and I'm on Stroheim. Film is absolutely perfect and I can feel it the next. I know he's the real thing in this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=1320.57,1449.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e Business of Of making a logo, right? Yeah. But I believe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=1449.86,1457.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e In I believe that rather than the vest with a cipher on it underneath the uniform, which you never see, the hell with it. The man feels it there and he knows it's there, and it worked. I mean, the extras went on strike when he was taken off the Merryweather. But then when it came to doing interiors, we found the. This is more difficult. You've got lights, camera, you've got to put the clapperboard on the front. But the thing to do is to tell the man what his background is. In other words, the character, first of all, cast the man so that he is playing very much the sort of role it plays in real life. For instance, the one of the most effective scenes is an interview by a Nazi official, and she does it really brutally, but in a very realistic way. And she was the interviewing officer at Harrods. So she's used to, you know, interviewing Engineering people when we put on a uniform. Harrods is a big store, the biggest, the most exclusive, snobby, snobby store in London. But here we thought we need someone who gets it, who is used to interviewing. Yeah. And is is is the right face. That's the most important thing. The second thing is what jobs to do. Get an access officer, SS officer, get a sergeant to pay a sergeant and you'll get the right thing. Whatever they do that if I get an ex-policeman the player policeman, then get somebody who's been sitting down and driving a butler's lab to play a policeman because his stance would be right. You wouldn't want to be serious.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=1457.91,1544.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But when I know people usually bring up the contradict. But unless there's always a real sense.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=1545.4,1551.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Of hope, it doesn't look like it doesn't matter. Because as long, for one thing, you'll find that the moment he is in uniform, he will look like an SS officer. There's no such thing as an exception, and this cannot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=1551.43,1563.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Be the stereotype.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=1564.21,1564.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Exactly. We hate stereotypes anyway, so we always want the most authentic looking thing. And you look at our SS officers, you wouldn't look at them twice in the street. They're just normal sort of middle class realization. And we've got real SS on the bank. When you put them in uniform that they they sort of alter things around you don't where it was when they had it. And this gives it, for instance, in Watkins film, this is a slight example. If he could have got men who played in who had come a come on, they would do one simple thing. You did you see the film?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=1565.23,1594.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I don't see it. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=1594.67,1595.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, yeah, but they all wear three colored hats, which the British Army was equipped with at that time. It is raining now. The object of the three cone hat is to undo the three corners, and it comes down in a shield, like a normal round hat of that period. And you only put it up when it's sunny, you see, but otherwise it fills up in the water and comes down your neck. So if they were the real thing, they would just unclip this and you'd have seen this come down in this fantastic display of troops and stuff home. And the muskets and these hats coming down over the rain pouring off. It would've been great. But nobody knows this today because they're not using the authentic thing. And the costume made up three quarters. That isn't that. It doesn't have that little addition. Yeah, but this is what we found this day to have somebody say we have Andrew Marlow and myself of people who made this picture, and he has a and.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=1596.05,1648.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e How much of a production you had to do if you had to several years in the run for a chance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=1648.83,1653.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e To show you up for.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=1653.33,1654.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Automobiles? No. You know, we ended up with the cost 7,000 pounds. Finally. It was not very much. We ended up with more military equipment and from the German point of view than Tunick had in his German scenes, will understand.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=1654.56,1669.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e That what you and the other. So yeah. 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You had the exact set for having gone the exact people and the exact uniforms and the in locations which look right. Then the next thing to do is to start staging it. And this is the most difficult thing, how to get the movement happening in front of that camera so that it doesn't look like a prom being staged. Now, the moment you get I mean, you still Matahari I haven't seen. Yeah. You haven't? Well, just happened to see this last night. Never mind the rivets. The. They tend to feel that you you put a camera up and everything's going to happen in front of it. Well, the main thing to do is to make sure that the audience feel things are happening in either side and behind it, and that you have just arrived on the location and you've just picked it up. You've just seen it. And in fact, for minute you'll see in the film there is a newsreel in the middle of it. 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You get me your other station.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=1777.1,1778.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e There you go. He was in. You got into the picture. No, no, I mean, you know, the people to you. I was shot a couple of angles in the start of the fight, and then we just went in it together in. 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And it's the way I think of the Watkins does it, but not the way to get regular things which have to be set up play. Play the scenes is is slightly different. And we ended up on the dialog by getting a man, getting the person along, either a professional actor or scene with either nonprofessionals or just a crowd of nonprofessionals getting on along and talking to them about the scene and say, how would you react if somebody came in and told you this? I think it's. Ha ha ha. And I forgot, you know. 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You didn't schedule a budget. You have. No, no, no, I had to write. Now, this is essential to write the dialog before you get there. Because if there's nothing worse than to run out of ideas, and I not only read The Donald guys, you drew pictures of every set up and every set up I had to have and every possible other set up, because if I ran out of ideas, I could just refer to them. And he said, well, what about if I said if he she came in and I said, what do you want? So I'd say, and that's fine. What if she came in and said that the woman up front, which is our heroine, our main character, has asked for morphine and she's is reporting her to you right now. How would you how would you react one way? Why did you, for instance, be on the telephone? You know, having already worked this out. And he says on the, on the telephone, well, let's try it. So that one's talking on the telephone and she comes and his immediate reaction of bitch and carry on the conversation. Well, this is great. 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By the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2003.77,2005.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I sort.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2006.05,2006.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Of very occasionally loading forward, one doesn't. Yes, yes, but almost always this didn't this didn't look people so surprised when it happened. It didn't it didn't create anything but interesting rehearsals. Oh yeah. We found that it took a lot of rehearsal to get to the state of spontaneity, where each person felt confident to get through the scene and and improvise you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2006.77,2033.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But in each and each rehearsal. Although did they use.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2033.9,2036.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e The same dialog? No, no. It altered and alternate change just as they forgot. But what was the kind of thing that happened in the dialog as they rehearse what happened? Dialog. It would get much more realistic. Yeah. The pauses with pauses because they were trying to think of words. Not there were pauses, natural pauses. You know, wait a minute. When, in other words, you get somebody coming in and saying yes, they'd be quite happy for three quarters of the scene and you suddenly find them saying, but what did she want? She wanted them. Yeah. Yeah. 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And so we found that a lot of rehearsals were needed to get to the point of spontaneity, a point of improvization, a spontaneity, rather to the to get to the point of spontaneity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2092.679,2102.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e The papers and the stuff I just mentioned, I dunno, observing it in this way generally people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2103.66,2109.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e John, Chris, who is a director I admire enormously, does this much better than I do it. John, Chris is a very fine director. He there's many documentaries just starting to do features here. Yeah. And he read on every scene, whatever it is. This is rehearses, rehearses, rises, rehearses, rehearsals, rehearses. And then he gets on the. Everybody says, Good God, did you do that without them knowing? I think we always get that sort of affirmative, that it looks as though he's hidden the camera somewhere. And what what what does he contribute? 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But this. He never gave the secret away of how he does it. 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Oh, that's a difficult question to answer because you wish we'd finished shooting two years ago, and I'm trying to remember to be accurate. 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You know, you sort of get that feeling of, what did I do?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2194.15,2201.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. I think when one sort of reacts like that, you know, and say, God, that's fantastic. And that was very words. I saw the spirits lift and you're off. They can always tell when they're not doing it properly and they get worse. And you're in a terrible because you, you transmit your, your reaction to them and that they're very sensitive. They got a little radar thing at the top. There's going to be when they pick up this green screen. And then our God, he's not joining us. 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Oh, no, no, there's some very bad performances in this and, and part of this film because before I knew out of hand how to handle people and unfortunately, there you'll see it, but.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2202.82,2292.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you find that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2295.57,2296.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e The style suffered in very often. So you were a lack of control.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2298.12,2302.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That controlled filmmaking? Technically, I made a point of view where the show large makes sacrifices. Yeah, but the thing I always find at the dialog scene is, what the hell can you do with it? It's the most un film it can all. And unless your basic subject matter is absolutely riveting and you find yourself landed, that one set up. I mean, why change it? 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But it's not often that one can, you know, as Godard does, where you just sit back and he's. I can't stand.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2335.51,2344.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What he's saying. Of course, this is this is a terribly worried conversation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2345.47,2348.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Quite what he's saying is that he he has to make go back. You say this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2349.1,2355.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e Is a boring conversation. These people are bored, and they've been kind of, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2355.37,2361.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e It's very good idea.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2361.96,2362.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, he drives me nuts. I mean, I, I sit there seething whenever I see one of his pictures. Yeah. What is it that annoys you? Complete lack of love for the picture. For the whole motion picture. Oh, really? Yes. It's. You heard. It's an anti novel. Talk about Dante film. I mean, this is the very antithesis of everything I love about pictures is what that man does. He's a it's not a crime. He loads and loads craftsmanship. I mean, I'm sure he's one of these people that adore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2364.37,2392.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e The old.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2393.18,2393.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Directors like Dalton Hawkes and so on, but it's their craftsmanship. Craftsmen. This is what, thanks to anybody. But his contribution.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2393.6,2400.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e To the.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2401.55,2401.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Film is simply as something to show against their work. Now this is what happens when you have not an idea in your head about cinema as an art form or as a craft. And this is the way the old man used to do it. Now, this is the way that somebody who's out on a limb and is trying a new route just proves how to write. This way was right from 1940 1980.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2401.82,2424.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e What the what is it you like about cinema?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2426.24,2431.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Because you can do anything that is capable of anything that is is not ephemeral. But the antithesis of a theater. You can cut the line, an enormous closeup of a dewdrop to thousands of charging horsemen in a fraction of a second like this. And that excitement that you can generate through through force is completely unique. It is the most dynamic of the arts because you can bash the audience again and again and again, but you can't do anything else. A painting is one, in fact, and a novel depends entirely on your imagination. Music is is is is narrative and twist to a point. But this has everything, all the arts in one, and then something a bit sad and is terribly exciting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2432.6,2476.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But you don't feel like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2477.8,2479.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Godard makes any. And he makes no contribution to that? Absolutely none. He just he just shows. He just shows a charlatans, an attitude to to something which somebody like Truffaut in 400 les, for instance, was was going somewhere very fast Because very few people have tried to break through the concrete barriers that were behind at the moment. Welles did, and Citizen Kane, they want to do these milestone pictures, which nobody gets down from. They leave it there. You know, there's certain directors right at the beginning who went in all directions and gas was one of them, and he really stretched the cinema to the this point it's ever been stretched to in the film, but nobody went any further. And the attempts that are being made to roll in a little sort of maze of their own right, in the midst of the things that are going on, God has gone around in circles in a little Hampton Court maze of his own, and he's not producing anything that adds up to a valuable idea. You can see, my God, the idea of having two people talking to each other, and then suddenly the face is blocked out by the back of it and blah, blah. I didn't get the Joe, just that it just doesn't. It just doesn't mean a thing. You mean the. Word of God. And yet you see. And that that was in the roots of it. I mean, it was a dialog scene between two people like this in the back of the head.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2479.27,2560.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Front of the head. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. The swinging back like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2560.71,2563.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And then you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2563.89,2564.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean. You know. You know, what time is it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2565.45,2569.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It's fine. Oh, we don't want to get there. You got my thing? Yes, but. One of the you hear.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2569.95,2577.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Your summer then is is realistic material in the material that you're writing. But not promises, but behavior. You're after an authenticity detail.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2578.47,2591.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e You're after. A rather strong shot after.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2593.95,2604.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e A very strong. As much as strongest use of the medium. And in order to say something rather than simply to entertain, because I think it's the cinema's function as an entertainment medium has been. Placed over its function as a propaganda medium for points of view. What do you mean by propaganda? Well, propaganda in its widest sense. In other words, if I wanted to say that, as we do in this picture, the the most appalling thing about fascism is the Japanese fascist methods to get rid of it. That is propaganda for an idea rather than here is an hour and a half of of excitement for you know, to while away. I don't believe in making pictures to allow people to grow older a couple of hours with, you know, feeling too much. 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Well, Muriel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2673.68,2675.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Here's another piece of it. No, I mean, I think it's an interesting experiment. I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2678.33,2681.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e It was. I don't think he's, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2681.54,2682.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Totally inept because he was trying to use the medium and failed because he isn't a very good editor. That could have worked. I'm fascinated by the attempt to recreate the fourth dimension and create the fourth I mentioned, because of the fascination I have with the past and, you know, recreating the past to recreate this. But you have to have a very precise knowledge of the meeting you're working in. And the one thing you've got to remember is rhythm when you're cutting. And the thing that he did not do there is to remember. It's now he's walking through the streets, and you cut these shots incredibly fast up of what the place was like. And, you know, the explosion like this could work triumphantly as it's done. And and occasionally in some of the early French silence and in certain Russian things, you feel it is not done? Because he he. It was about eight frames to shot on that shot and then six frames too short on that shot. It was just a matter of pure mechanics.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2683.31,2735.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, you felt that it was not long enough. 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What you do in your work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2838.58,2845.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You see the people, the people I had the greatest respect for. As you probably gathered by now, these old craftsmen who formed this industry and who did everything in films that it was possible to do 40 years ago. We haven't advanced any purely cinematically since the since the things that they did. And what they proved more than anything else was that the cinema is one of the great folk arts. You don't need an artist, and every other art form has a technician or a mechanic beside it, merely to produce the object which you use. 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The the picture I was trying to make that point to three weeks ago, to a woman who was the head of the Experimental high School of Art.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2929.47,2940.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e There is very she was telling me about the advanced kind of studies they were doing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2941.68,2944.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And she kept sniggering. I asked her about cinema, you know, and this is my high school, you know, this is what we use. Cinema. Yes. You know, biology to teach history and all these other things. I said, what about the teacher film? The teacher seeing and comprehending your picture. This is one, of course. Yes, but first they must learn to little bit you. 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She looked at me like I was a crazy man, you know, and then she started pulling everything I said.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2977.75,2983.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But I tried to impress upon the fact that we are entering an era where our whole fashion of thinking is being changed from the static concepts of language and written language or syntactical language to this kind of visual kind of conceptualization.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=2984.2,3002.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And this is why the, the, the stage of filmmaking which links the two has got to be thought again. 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And then he would look.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=3108.0,3115.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e At the scene and go back to him like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=3115.95,3117.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That's the way to do it. The trouble is, stock is so expensive that it's no longer raw material. This is the final thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=3118.26,3123.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, look, when are we going to be able to see this money?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=3124.74,3130.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you think that this one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=3131.79,3132.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Will be back in the night. Oh, listen, I've got the cutting copy, which is battered as hell. I mean, I work, right? I work for it. But if you see the hiring of. At this rate, it's so expensive. Anyway, it would cost a fortune to see it. Five. Yeah, it's a problem. We've got no head of our own. You have to keep hiring one in this column.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=3133.74,3149.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Like a man doesn't BFI. Well, it's only 16 million.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=3150.04,3152.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Have a few, so they might learn it, but.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=3153.07,3154.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e They're there to see films.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=3154.93,3156.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm only a second in front of people, home from school together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=3157.42,3160.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That's a disappointing one. I'm so disappointed with it. And you find I have a.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=3162.7,3170.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Look at the film. What do you think? Why do you think it's disappointing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=3170.62,3173.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I just going to say have a look at the films of Sidney Fury, such as The Boys and you'll see. I just seen it. Isn't it, Chris?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=3174.52,3182.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I worked out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=3184.24,3184.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, forget about that. No no, no. Look at his approach to the working class. And then to approach the working class of these middle class of directors and you'll see something very different. You'll see something genuine as opposed to something which has that feeling of patronizing, of good works. That. Like that. We are the Lambeth Boys has let them say anything. It's real working class, you know, so there's no editing of what they're saying, that film and it's. Yeah, it's it's what would you. I think overall for the, for the record what it, what what kind of a you did you grew up. Well I suppose in the English set up I grew out of a middle class media, but I, I reject. Class distinctions, although I accept. In fact, I was rejected for myself. Although I realize it's a very essential part of what you're looking for are from our society and how it's formed and how and how the country came to to operate in the way it does. 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And then I've heard there is perhaps.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=3265.57,3270.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e This journalistic look, but also a, there were very poorly made.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=3270.88,3275.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Pictures, you know, just as pictures take a point of view that. And that was very sad.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=3276.13,3281.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e To and a lot of them were then that come from the budget.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=3282.22,3286.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Limitations. Oh hell you if you if you can't take care of the camera steady and get the right exposure, you know and and there's no excuse for that. You got stuck in that camera. It's capable of anything. A lot of the money you spent on doing it, you can get anything through that. And you just get that focus. It just didn't bother. It didn't concern. Technicalities were somehow cheap and something associated with Hollywood. It doesn't matter if you look at the engine, man. It's a most embarrassingly inept. Amateurish. What is it? Engine man. One of these things about. The passing of a locomotive could be a great, fascinating piece. 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No, because that was the social contribution. It'll never will be. It will be found in 20 years time when people use it for labor material. That's that's what it'll like. We use Humphrey Jennings in the role. Yeah. And that looks self-conscious and. Okay. Well, so all this in the same way, but we'll use it for labor material because it says something about that period. Because it was made at that period with an attitude of that period. And it's like talking to reading something about William the Conqueror written in 1066, Six. Even if it's a lie. It's a lie within the period. So it has authenticity and it has meaning at the time. But if it's sort of 100 years later, it's valueless. 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Techniques and things. It is true that like ten years moving in the back that area. But yeah, I, I have a healthy respect for professionalism. I think in the old profession.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=3548.94,3562.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Nothing. Yeah. 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Soon the Jewish people came to me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=3819.91,3826.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Such as to be right to the.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=3828.73,3829.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Cattle And treated as cattle. 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Claim some official to be tried without offense at an English trial, of which he is able to understand.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=3850.49,3858.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Not a word spoken.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=3859.76,3860.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e His sentence execution at York by being hanged, drawn.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=3861.8,3866.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And the shackles lighter about to Ronald McDonald.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=3866.99,3870.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Founder to wait in prison, put him on trial.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=3872.15,3875.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Charles Edward Stewart believed that a man didn't like it and he didn't like it at all. Now, let me tell you something. I made a poker, and. Yeah, he hates. Hey. So I'm trying to think like that. But don't try to make me go all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=3877.46,3898.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Weeping, like, over what happens to these bastards. I just don't try.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=3898.96,3903.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, satisfied with the result of his military occupation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=3905.29,3907.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/299","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e There was some enmity involved. But he did. I mean, what he said at the end about the enmity of the highlands to the lowland enmity. So much is the bitterness which still remains. He's very, very strong indeed. And you think that when they were there, when they were speaking there, they were. They knew what they were talking about. Yes. I don't think it would be too difficult to get any Highlander to express the sort of feelings they got in their faces. Simply because it's they live very much in the past, you know? I mean, Scotland is a country which has never really recovered. The Highlands have never recovered from this. This is I mean, it's still like yesterday that that's sort of like the south of the Civil War in the south. Absolutely. Very similar. Er, to Northern Ireland is very similar to. Yeah. They have been fighting. I mean, if you did something in Martin Luther that had a siege and what was hard for me to keep straight was the lowland highlands, you know. And I always think of Protestantism in Scotland. Yeah, but Protestantism is the lowlands. You see, the Highlands are different people because they're really Gaelic speaking. The lowland is armed and lowland is a much more related, in fact, to the Northern Irish. And does the same difference in the Northern Irish Protestant. So no, there's a Catholic, but they lose out. And it goes into this round about the tradition of the, the kilt and the bagpipers. Is the Highlander then? Yes. That's lovely. And and the people of Edinburgh, for instance, who were solidly on the side of the English king, still speak an exaggerated sort of English. Their Scottish accent, in fact, is an exaggerated version of English. That goes is the other side. A nice guy who's got an enormous Irish influx and that also is mainly Protestant now. But it's it's sort of the gateway to the Highlands. Just north of that begins. And the north, the West Highlands speak with this very slow, quiet voice. And he's speaking to the Broad Scots. Is that is the Glasgow Scots, you know, when did you sort of get in comedians name. Well that's what it because Colin Young is the guy at the film school. He would be talking. Oh no. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=3908.53,4038.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/300","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. 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You know, we can go meeting our, in fact, out here because.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=4043.94,4062.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Of education.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=4062.69,4062.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/303","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Oh, yeah. I to one to. Yeah. He's coming back. It's. Yeah. You know, America has tried this and done it, but it will see us is there and all out. They're trying. But it was always used actors didn't. Yeah. So one of them because you know and then it really but it isn't the fact that these people are actors or not actors so much as the first. I mean, the physiognomy was well-chosen, but it's the fact that he has given his adopted a style which allows us to accept anything that these people say and would actually much would, would, could be rather bad acting if you if you look at it in an acting context. You accept it as being these people relating to the camera. Yeah. You know, certain people were were acting very strong and very false. And I, I was taking some of that down. Almost false. Falsely acting, you know. But it doesn't matter because you accept it immediately. Because the camera is saying. This is all there is, and this is what happened. And we're not responsible for all these people that tried and they might act up in front of the camera. You think you didn't think of it at all as, oh, it's the sort of marvelous organization which allows it to appear disorganized, chaotic and, and. And. Well, it's a it's a choice that he's making constantly that it's keeping that is a sort of aloofness at the same time a scrutiny. But you never feel, for instance, the woman who was on the battlefield at night and that it's just I don't know where it is, but this is this is almost a hammer. Yes. You do. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. There's not a thing that is said to be the millennium and end of the Crusades. Yeah, it had exactly that sequence, you know, winning, looking over the. So it has been this was what I was I was teaching at school was this idea that actually it's the camera relationship to it that very often makes the thing, makes you accept it as being realistic or as being fictionalized, as the cutting down you think because you don't stay on any longer in the key sentence. And let's see, it's impressionistic cutting. He's cutting. He's cutting in the middle constantly. And you catch a guy or he does the other thing. He comes in and he is it. He comes into a scene and stays on a long time. I don't know when where, where. Yeah I know. Yeah. And then it begins in the scene. But you, you you had a feeling that that wasn't why you cut there. And so you have the feeling of accident. Yeah I know. This is very important, I think. Yeah. This kind of style. Yeah. Absolutely. Yes. You mustn't feel that it's begun. Just when you arrived and been laid on for you. And whereas the fictional style is, the style uses the language of his commentary, which I think he spoke himself It's very good. Well, I mean, the way this is grapeshot. This is what it does. You know, I mean, it's really not. No extra words. Yeah. And I mean, so it's I mean, the clinical language involved is excellent because it cuts through. In what way? He's in no way is he is he really picking every or you know. You know, and so we're getting this terribly brutally. Antiseptic presentation which becomes even more horrible. You know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=4063.54,4268.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/304","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e His motives for choosing to suffer. I don't know, because he's not a scout.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=4269.13,4271.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And I don't think he's.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=4272.76,4273.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Ever lived in Scotland.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=4273.42,4273.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/307","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I he's probably very much involved with the whole chaos in the world. And I think I think it was because he's done. His next film is about the third atomic War, which you just mentioned, which is very much based on the same. See the things he strategy based on the same on the same motives and Douglas him. And the idea of we do this, you know, to get rid of all these dirty things and then justifying it. I think that's why I really think this will be more. In fact, this is a film that perhaps would not be able to be shown in the United States because it was a parallel. It was Vietnam at the present time. Yeah, yeah. Yes. I mean, you know, I think we could slip it by, as a matter of fact, because I don't think Americans ever, people involved ever think about the formal, universal aspects of a thing, you know, until they become terribly. But, well, we of course, we've been involved in the same sort of things in Kenya and, and a few years ago in the land more recently in Cyprus. Now, you were saying the same conflicts of of muddled motives. And so-called pacification. Yeah. If any any country when you impose a system. Well, yeah. This was this. This is a this. This as it's been shown in France and I'm, I look quick and he never buy anything from it. I don't think they'd ever ATF it. Ever bought anything from it. It's too bad this wasn't. Of course there's so much language problem. Yeah, this this would have been terrifying during the Algerian War. I think also another aspect of it then it's a very brave film to have envisaged making because the snags. I would never have dared to believe that you could get away with amateurs talking so much to Canada in costume. And not making it appear worse than, you know, a pseudo feature film. Well, actually, I think that probably he's. It's easier than if he'd had, you know. Yes, I think it is. No, but I don't think you could. Negative. I don't know whether I would have thought that. Oh yeah. Well, I've always had that inkling because, I mean, my only my real experience had been with known fact. Yes. You don't have and that and when you adapt as focal point night you had taken a fictional approach. Yes. He would have had problems that time, you see, because then somehow your your calling forth and you were expecting something from them, you know, and those.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=4276.09,4433.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/308","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Times.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=4434.04,4434.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/309","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e When he didn't have real words to say, he very cleverly didn't. For instance, in that scene where Butcher Cumberland having his dinner party. Yeah. You didn't hear anything they said, now that would be nice. They would have had to that before. Yeah. And then they you said he was going to go back to London. Well, I thought I was going to be there. And also. Yeah, this is a here he was able to just stimulate a conversation, you know, to probably and then wait until it took hold of itself. And you didn't, but you never.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=4434.43,4465.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/310","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Even had the sound.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=4465.3,4465.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/311","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e When we need to remember it. Because if he'd had the sound, then that would really be in an active acting situation as everyone else is in an actual action situation, aren't they? Actually, what I think they're he could have very well had the sound, but that he would not. What he could not have done would be to direct it in a, in a fashion where it would lead to something out there, you see, where there would be a controlled alley, they could just battle back and forth. Yeah. There were several scenes where really I felt that, you know, he was encroaching on acting problems, and he was doing rather well in some of those places where I took him down, like the guide. And this may be explained by the inherent hate that the Scots had. But you know what the guy was saying? They're on the move and all that, whatever it is, you know? Yes. And in these you had felt just the rage and, you know. Yeah. I don't know how he deals with them, how much he gives them business to do vengeance on putting their hands on their heads and or looking down How great is I wonder? I would like to know from him how much this is spontaneous and as you said, how much the lines are given in the sense and how much they are actually word by word, what he wanted. I think certain particular gestures, like the guy doing this is certainly it was his plan. Yes, yes. Because it's I mean, there's no there's no difficulty. No. You know, where it becomes like a for instance, the, the the Lowland Scotsman. What is he was he wasn't the doctor was. It was the doctor with it. And the chap behind wasn't in the chat with this paragraph. Well, there's all the commentary on about the guy and, you know, toward the end the guy who was had this mouthing, you know. Yes. That's right. Animal scandal. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. This was excellent. Yes. And he was. And I thought that man, he gave the look of him as compared with the other those people he took, Lord Sackville. I mean, the man looked like a decadent Lord. Didn't need another plump a which he did. You know when you said the 18th century. Yeah. Absolutely fantastic. The 18th century face. Yeah. I feel I think he's all his choices of people with marvelously good and the kids and the star, you know, and that special ed girl up against the wall and. Yeah. And then we had this scene, of course, where the woman was screaming, you know, of course, this is a lot easier to get than people imagine if you mean yes again with situation. Yes. Yeah. But it's the articulation of of lines and scenes which are difficult with non-actors, you know, unless they have definite physical time. I also think his choice of how he did it, because he must have been the temptation to deal with Bonnie Prince Charles's escape, which was romantic and exciting, you know, and being hidden by flying McDonald in the five months in the Highlands and whatnot. The an enormous story, which he didn't bother to tell at all because he wasn't really related to the people. I think this was very good, too. There's another problem to it, but apparently an interesting thing we got to pick is how to broach this to him without leading his questions, you know? I mean, leading his answers, but. In depicting action, for instance, there in the aftermath when the the British came and slaughtered the people along the road and things, he got himself for the first time into a continuous continuity. Yes. You know. That's right. Yes. Throughout the rest, he could be discontinuous. Yeah. And and hold and be more journalistic. Yeah. You know, in a sense of there. Yes. Now, at that point. He he was falling in the trap. Yes. Of of suddenly by depicting it, by having the privilege of following the continuity. That's right. That was not necessarily at his disposal. Yes. I thought it was the most. I thought the moment when the first tuple arrives in Inverness and goes through the doorway and comes out again, and the woman holds his horse. This is one of the weakest moments in the film. And when it didn't work, because the end he acted because of this scene. But. And it wasn't because of the camera technique. He even he even was making at that point stronger efforts to remind us that this is one of the, you know, the cut off the cuff my getting him look in the camera. But this was the danger I found this to in trying to trying to create this, that as soon as you start dealing and narrative and narrative, your, your camerawork suddenly begins to say, this is fiction. Yes. Because you are fighting about that impression that you know. But. Or it becomes more difficult to deal with now when Masel shoots Joe Levine, where somehow, as we're assured from the beginning, that isn't it, you know. But even then, you know. There is moments where it looked like it was planned, you know, but and in this place you run into even more difficulty. And then at that point, the performance stop suddenly begins to be to appear out of kilter. Yeah. The people. And so, yeah, I was noticing. Oh, it'll be interesting to see what I guess. I mean, how much he was aware of this problem. I think we should go meet him now. 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April. April. Really? You.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=4796.0,4798.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/315","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Know, I started in April. Is in Japan, obviously, in a few months.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=4801.82,4806.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/316","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And I think you guys shoot in three weeks. Oh my God.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=4806.59,4809.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, actually, it wasn't shot on TV. It was the stuff you see on the screen shot, I suppose, in about to me, because I had a ratio of 10 to 1, so that meant that certain stuff that the dust was about for sequences we've never seen that you've seen them now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=4810.67,4824.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Anyway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=4826.79,4826.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/319","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Let's talk about two weeks time. Is there on the screen? Well, I know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=4828.23,4832.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e About three weeks, but you shot for three weeks on and on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=4832.22,4836.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. I do in sandwich.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=4837.14,4840.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No one in the camera.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=4840.77,4841.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/323","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you mind coming and have.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=4843.56,4844.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e A good evening? I'm not sure. I'm sorry. I didn't know whether you were coming. Exactly. 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This is just, you know, kind of these peanuts after this is, you know, as far as sort of effort goes, you know. What are you doing now? Well, I'm doing a film about a nuclear attack on Britain. Causes and effects.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=4854.9,4869.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/327","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Of. Spray from the. And you've done is taking one piece of the country or shutting down the whole country. No one can't. 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What are you basing yourselves.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=4894.05,4896.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/330","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e On the project? Well, this is different to carbon because color and one has certain historical facts and axioms and things. This is different. Which is why this is going to be attacked like how it goes out. But. This is based on conjecture, but conjecture based on the arithmetic of England. Britain based on the arithmetic of how many targets we've got versus our resources versus this versus this versus this. 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And I mean sources of work for this are probably one over 100 different books. Books on the effects of thermal nuclear weapons, books on Britain, books on the treatment of crippling doses of strontium 90, books on what thermal radiation does to your eye at certain distances. Books on books on any number of very unpleasant subjects.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=4932.1,4956.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/333","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e When you get this up to you know what? 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We were talking.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=5062.63,5070.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/338","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e We just had to seeing the film. Pick it up. 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And your.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=5143.19,5149.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/341","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Question is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=5149.94,5150.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/342","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e It this is a prior. This was absolutely impossible. It's impossible to organize any I mean, the design is running this. Yeah. Meaningless because you have to capture something right at that moment. Yeah. And particularly with the nonprofessional to try and get emphasis on things or feeding into things or. Pauses or Kofman look or a thing which might make it a bit more real. Apart from the basic feeling of the thing with a nonprofessional, you've got different rules to work under to a professional. And I think you've got to try and get it. And when you've got it, film it. 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We often have a we sometimes have a first try, but usually I try and get it right first, then do it straightaway afterwards. But usually fine if someone gets a line, can't. The feeling doesn't come across or the sense doesn't come across. No amount of doing it will get it right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=5190.0,5206.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. I mean, I get when I read bits that I've done it and you know, they said the problem often seems to be that if they do do it right, I know they have to doesn't necessarily because they're not it doesn't mean they're going.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=5206.59,5217.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/346","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e To repeat that. No no no it doesn't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=5218.14,5219.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/347","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean I like an actor who, if he's got it the way he doesn't know he does, it. No no, no. 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So sometimes if a thing is difficult, we'll try and get it out three times, but also the thing which is increasingly worrying me about the camera, I didn't realize just before I there are any number of takes on the walk in which I swore in marvelous when I did them. And they don't come across now on screen and in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=5228.06,5256.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/349","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Which, in any.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=5256.64,5257.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/350","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Or in any way, including that partly happen. But as is happening, World More Game is a far more difficult film to do, was to try and show people and to look at them and say, these people have been through a film, a nuclear bombardment. This is not easy, to say the least. And to try and get things out of the eyes or the face and things, okay, difficult or not. And I'm increasingly worried by the difference of having somebody there on location and thinking, oh that's good. And then seeing the thing not registering on screen. This has never really clicked with me before that this is possible, but I don't know. Something wrong. Right. Particularly when you have one take only when you say right, that's good. And then you find is not good when you see it on the screen. I've learned a lesson that way I'm never going to accept one thing is good one dialog. 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I know it's not right. These are very subtle things, but it's. I don't know that a piece of dialog can fill itself up in 40 different ways. You can have a person can switch himself off the instant he's finished the last book, the last word, and the thing goes out of the eyes. And you might not have noticed that. I try and watch it like a hawk, but it doesn't always happen that you notice it sometimes, right? You see, I play people looking into the camera, so I haven't got quite the cameras online. And I don't see these things quite. But even that can record the instant switching off. And no matter how many times you tell them not to do this, or it doesn't automatically pose it, they always remember this by the end. And that's just one small example. Apart from inflection or look or spacing or all sorts of things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=5311.62,5357.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/353","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e How do you how do you deal with a no no. There's no there's not used to being called how to say something. And and as I understand rightly, you do try to tell him how to say it. Yeah. I can only hope that. What sort of person? 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So the professional idea of the amateur.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=5378.77,5402.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/355","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Good morning Harry. This sort.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=5403.41,5404.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/356","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Very few people put themselves across the camera. Is there about 3% who sees up and whirls and never talk like this in real life? They tighten up and they get frightened and you can't break them out of it. But the other 97%, I find if you give them something to do which is not outside themselves as a person, that's to say you don't plumbing and playing a character, you just get them to be themselves. I mean, whether they're wearing it, whether they're wearing an English government soldiers outfit or 1746 or what they're wearing, a modern pharmacy is making differences to people with inside that thing. And therefore, if you then try and get into any work on themselves, you can with luck. And I say with luck, because it is a certain element of luck, even get them crying. This is very difficult and it doesn't usually work, but you can get all sorts of things from this sort of about one and a half times. Yes, and hysteria and this sort of thing you can get from certain people. 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I'd say you can probably only use a very few professional actors and rip actors and people who are. I've got this curious nothingness about them, which is a bit of chameleon like thing could you use in this sort of thing otherwise? I mean, the audience, you know, you have Jack Hawkins or you have anyone playing a fan. I mean, they know he's going to live to fight another day. I mean, this is not as corny as it sounds. So they don't care for him in the same way. Part of the fact they know he's an actor. But something like farm and look like farm and behave like farm and and sound like real firemen. I hope they do. Anyway. That's just the idea. 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Yeah. I mean, just, you know, ordinary people. But, I mean, the farm is an ordinary person, but the farm is on Jersey, and that's the difference. You see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=5570.95,5580.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/363","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e When people are not like this. Charlie. Peter, did you presumably look at people who go in and launder money and whatnot, but remarkably.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=5582.36,5592.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/364","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Like paintings of them at the.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=5593.07,5596.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/365","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Time? Yes. So that was just a stroke of luck. 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I mean, you with Bonnie Prince Charlie, Bonnie Prince Charlie, it was all sorts of mixed blood. So I wrote around all the French, Italian and Polish institutes in the country and said that the photograph and said, do you know anyone who looks like this? That's the way I started it year. And someone wrote back and said, I think I look like him. And that was my only choice. 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But had you since you had planned everything down. Based on some of the when you stumble on Christmas. That was marvelous. 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Now one of the. When you came to direct the who was it was the doctor. Lowland Scotland. Scotland. The Scotland? Yeah. Oh, yes. Yeah. So, yeah, I was very passionate about it. What were the problems you had in directing him? What was he had to say quite a bit. And, and there had to be a bit implicit brutality in his and a kind of a content. Digital content. What did he have these in his nature?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=5745.11,5775.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/384","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no, he has the the physical crushing advantage of a fabulous face stop at his mother's Lambton mouth jaw, which I've seldom seen on anybody. And when I put a wig and hat on him, all these were developed even more. And I we gave him a black leather stock, which is much more practical and working like he just helped brutalize him somehow, more than having a sort of a flowery thing. And. I mean, he knew exactly. I mean, Caroline Frederick Scott is a very well known person in this part of the world, in that part of the world, because he's rather he's rather regarded as sort of. Dieter. 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You see mainly to anybody looking at it the first time and then they didn't understand it. Just one moment where I was confusing had nothing to do with the way you directed the people. The only the only one place where I didn't understand what that was going on. And he was explaining it when the Irish. You look at the English, I mean, it's where we're standing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=5901.52,5923.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/392","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e This is not a people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=5923.71,5924.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/393","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e This is standing the best of all to do them, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=5924.88,5928.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/394","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e And then they they come up to the podium. I'm afraid you have to listen to the to the commentary there. The commentary makes it fairly clear, as does the stuff shouted by the chap behind the wall. But I'm afraid you have to listen to our character, and I know there's a lot of people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=5929.38,5942.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/395","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e On what you think doesn't work, and. Oh, I didn't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=5943.36,5947.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/396","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Things. Some of the things people say to camera and. Oh, there are lots of shots in the battle, which I think are very corny and bad, and I would never do it that way again, but oh, like explosions and things like this, which are extremely corny, but I put minus in there is partly working with very few number of people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=5949.12,5969.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/397","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You mean to obvious.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=5970.57,5971.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/398","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e To obvious that you've only got about a year and a half a dozen people in this sort of thing, and explosions themselves are bad and slightly historically inaccurate. Really. And and it's it's things some of the dialog lines. If I went to the film again, I could find out of lines which I think are bad. Some of the Irish are not good. Some of the Irish people who shout their comments to camera about about jaws the second, and the lecture is because they're not very good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=5972.1,5997.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/399","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no, no, I didn't say that. I like the contrast with them actually. I looked at tougher, more discipline lock. You know, I mean, not that I see what you mean about them people. I mean, I didn't I noticed it a bit more. I mean, not not only now seeing it for the second time, you see other things in the film. And how many people do you actually have on that? That would be about 25. About 25. It looks about 200, doesn't it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=5998.48,6023.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/400","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, probably about 25 generally. And they're about 45 on a big crowd day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6024.89,6028.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/401","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And they were different people. So you didn't have the same not doubling.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6029.74,6032.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/402","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But I'm not saying not there all the time. There are people Dublin Scotsmen and Englishmen. You know, for instance, as one big crafty guy, you know, when the camera goes in on the man and says. Well, this man's name is Chisum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6032.56,6044.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/403","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, he's got a brother.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6045.56,6046.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/404","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e He's got a brother that was born on the same boat. Both sides.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6046.76,6048.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/405","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Hahaha. Same looks. Pretty good. He would look differently when he got there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6048.95,6056.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/406","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e And he was many other people in the film too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6057.86,6059.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/407","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6059.51,6059.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/408","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e They all died about eight times over. If you want to drink, you better. Yeah. Do you want to come down and have one? Yes, I will certainly. But from the point of view of where does it stop being an actor? I cannot say it's just an intuition thing. And sometimes my intuition works and sometimes it doesn't. It's as simple as that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6060.44,6076.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/409","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e All the time. Oh, how much are you had? You know, I couldn't hear it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6076.82,6080.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/410","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Was it basically goes on the word underplaying. Yeah. This is the basic thing. And underplaying is even up to the stage of someone having hysteria. You can under overplay hysteria. And I reckon people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6080.51,6093.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/411","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, let's take the one man who has his tongue. Yes. Grab by the two line. Yes. What? How did you try to initiate her into the scene? 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Just told her to scream.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6105.24,6106.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/414","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e And yell, and I just tore the screaming head off, and I screamed at her, and I got them to to wrap her up a bit, and I. The fact, actually, that her own child was screaming at all because of what they were doing, they were doing her acting, and the child didn't understand that we are and we will protect her. But but that's beside the point. No, I just screamed to her and told her what I wanted her to do, and I and I got her worked up until I got the right degree out of her release, but I thought it was the right way and then then filmed it. These sort of things are easier to do. It actually make it easier to get someone to thrash around or break down what are difficult to the more controlled things. This is this is anger, all sort of other things like this, that these are the.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6106.71,6147.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/415","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Difficult one I learned. What about those two are the same? You see, there's very little actual playing in this film. As far as I can tell, it's it's either directly camera or it's.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6147.15,6156.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/416","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No, there's very there's very little emoting in the classic or.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6157.48,6160.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/417","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e There's a lot that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6160.54,6160.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/418","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Makes sense.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6160.99,6161.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/419","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Or interaction between people other than just, no, there's.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6161.47,6163.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/420","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No interaction at all. And it wasn't made to be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6163.99,6165.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/421","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e So this this does eliminate a great deal of problem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6165.58,6168.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/422","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But yes, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6169.42,6170.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/423","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e There is however, two place there are two places where one more sound than the other. I mean is what we hear it more where you do have a certain amount of atmosphere to establish. One is the dinner of which what's the name of the game in Cumberland? Yes, yes. And the second is the corresponding kind of association after the battle in the tense night. Yes. When the they're having a party going on in this brother piggy type of guy. Yes. It's it's called having it. You know, this thing and you, you do establish a very genuine atmosphere and it's. This is this much more depends on the way the people themselves are relating than it does on the way you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6171.13,6216.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/424","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Well, that was I think one works for the Duke of Cumberland. One is not so bad, actually. And this was helped a great deal, because the actual person who's playing Duke Cumberland has never acted before in his life. And was there entirely for the way he looked. And curiously, this sort of curious sort of stature. He has even found he has a bad stutter in life. Sometimes when he's nervous now he's very frightened about this. But I found that when I plonked him on a horse, I could get a curious sort of tenseness from him when he said, I want a picture. I want a battery in the center. If you said it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6216.23,6250.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/425","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e With an urgency about yes, I know. So he came out of the smoke there and hear this. Yeah, that was a story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6250.31,6256.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/426","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6256.82,6256.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/427","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Just happened to, you know, that just happened to click. I hope that would work. And it did work. But around the table to get a man to relax and to sort of look a bit sort of boyish and flushed with all sorts of things. This is not an easy thing to do at all. And rather than rely on spending the entire night trying to get it out of him it from an acting way. We had real wine in those glasses, and I got a series of offices all the way around the table, and I got them to try and tell gags to each other. And the one who played Lord George Sackville, actually, he did this of his own, but I said, tell a gag. 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And this was going on all the time. And he was sort of acting, playing it slightly tiddly. And of course, Cumberland fell about. He fell about increasing it, but I didn't use it all. And of course, this was marvelous because I said to him, try not to laugh. So you try not to laugh, that he would burst into a giggle and then try and correct himself, you see, which looks quite good for the character.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6297.69,6322.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/430","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Because you have an inner life going on at the moment. But there's a complicity among the people that is very definite. Although the scene doesn't last very long and it's entirely narrated. We know that isn't being posed. Yes. The other thing I think is was successful, too. The one in the tent.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6323.49,6338.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/431","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, well, I think that's two. I think that's two actors. I would say from my point of view, that's the least. It's one of the least successful in the film, and I wouldn't do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6339.37,6345.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/432","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e It that way. But I think it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6345.61,6346.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/433","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No no no no no, it's also the whole film.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6347.41,6349.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/434","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Why why what do you object to that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6350.2,6351.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/435","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I just think it looks too early. It looks too acted and looks too forced and looks quite. I think they were. They're not reacting to the camera. You know, that's partly it. And even if there'd been the saving grace of 1 or 2 looks into the camera, and also the dialog from the soldier who is drunk about it doesn't work. It's too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6351.88,6368.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/436","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Bad.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6369.55,6369.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/437","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e What do you say? No, it's it's rather language dialog about to the fact that they. Because the Duke was very pleased to have won the battle. He gives 12.5 cannons to every single man who was wounded. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6370.24,6380.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/438","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, this is a good point to make, because here you we got into a continuity situation where what he was doing was what you're objecting to actually is the local fiction about it? Yes. And it doesn't come so much from the performances you're getting as the way you cut it and staged it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6380.65,6396.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/439","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e For the camera.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6397.61,6397.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/440","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I don't know about that. I think it might be that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6398.27,6400.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/441","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e The play scene.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6401.69,6402.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/442","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e It's a played scene, but. But then so is everything in the film a played scene. But then when you go to the when you go to the sequence, which is you cut straight from that sequence of the, the, the bodies on the lawn, the one with the shack leg, which in actual fact, in filmic terms, is far more cunningly staged in a way, obviously, because the camera is picked up and dumped. But in actual fact, this I was frightened about doing that and I wasn't experimenting. 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When they're shooting the leftovers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6453.93,6456.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/448","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e That's why we're shooting leftovers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6456.75,6457.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/449","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e All right. This leads us to the camera. And this is a very important part of your approach with the camera. The kind of way you wanted to stage the scene, the timing of the events with regard to first of shot and end of shot, in order to somehow give them their independence. And we were mentioning that where you seem to be coming into a tremendous difficulty of keeping the. Or whether you see where you seem to where the difficulty you were getting into was that for the most part of the film, it's the picture states this continuously.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6459.3,6495.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/450","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6496.05,6496.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/451","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e That is to say, we go from face to face interview. Yeah. Yes. Or sort of shattered around the. Around the battlefield. Then after the battle we go into, you go into actually what is a continuous.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6497.1,6511.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/452","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6512.23,6513.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/453","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Of running through the streets and cleaning up, you know. Yeah. Killing the people. Yeah. And where? It seemed very evident. You were aware that your style was. We're going to get away from you. If you started describing continuous events and that you were. You seem to be making more of an effort to break up the continuity through little things, like looking at the camera, cutting over to a to a side event. 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I'm not saying it's a big. I'm saying that I was much more obvious that you were for me, that that you were aware of the difficulty of that kind of a sequence. Now, whether you were consciously aware is another thing, you know. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6568.61,6581.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/458","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I you know, this is this has been done. I think I know what you mean, but the the film I'm doing now, I am it's very difficult really, because I the film I'm doing now, I try to play as though it were a newsreel for about a couple of days shooting and we let things. I staged a whole scene and let the cameraman film it on his own. So the thing was set up as a mass crowd scene for Medical Reception unit, and I gave people specific things to do. But then after six in a shot which now six minutes, you can't coordinate all those things and let the cameraman wander around while the result is a mess. And the result is that only 15 seconds and six minutes works. So I'm not doing. I'm never going to work this way again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6584.72,6630.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/459","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Had you work that way?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6630.79,6631.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/460","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I had no, I didn't work this way. I was trying a different I was trying a different feel in this nuclear film because I think it's a curious mixture of sort of stage stuff and stuff which you half believe is happening. Well, I want to get this believe that it's happening completely in the, in this new film. I tried it this way of of letting it actually happen unexpectedly, but this doesn't work at all. So now I've gone back to what I'm doing in the, in Clayton, which is to stage spontaneity. But this time now, from now on, I'm relating it much more to the camera all the time trying to get my next film I want to do. I'm going to go to dialog, and I want to have a complete dialog structure. That was I want to have the normal sort of drama structure, but then do with it things that are not done very often. I want it to look as though it's really happening and try. 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That's what I'm after.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6631.6,6701.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/461","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e When you stage something that look to make it look like it's really happening as opposed to and as opposed to a fictional.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6702.47,6708.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/462","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6709.82,6709.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/463","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What are you looking for.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6710.63,6711.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/464","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e In your station? Oh, well, this is this is a difficult I mean, there's no rule about that. It's. I just can't say it. It often doesn't work because, I mean, this is a very difficult thing to do, but it's it's all the little things, isn't it? It's it's the movement. It's it's the odd gesture. It's it's the odd look into the camera. It's the it was fairly easy in colored in a sense, because I didn't as you said, I didn't have any dialog. I didn't have a talking to B and B replying to A. This is where it's going to start getting interesting and start getting really difficult because then of course B won't reply to a straightaway. He'll think about it. We might talk over A, but I got a list to come here. I have a timing problem. I have timing problems and things and things and.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6711.62,6747.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/465","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, film and Gaelic. Yeah. Dialog made by young American.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6748.07,6752.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/466","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e It's no it's an art film. It's a young man.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6752.94,6757.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/467","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Obsessed with filming his own life. And so he, he is constantly setting the camera up and filming himself. Yes. Behaving and everything. And he films all through his marriage and films, clips of the death of his wife. No, no. And it's just constant play on the, on the look of on the look of authenticity and see and and and then the whole film was presented as a, as a staging of just an assemblage of this man's footage after he was shot Attacking a missile base in California. Throwing a hand grenade, he was shot by one of the guards. You see it all in the last shot. He sets the camera up and say.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6757.98,6798.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/468","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And then and.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6799.64,6800.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/469","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e One and then it. And then he goes up the hill to the Nike base and throws a hand grenade at the Nike explode, and a couple of guards come down and shoot him. He dies in front of the camera. I'm still grinding away and a guard comes down there and like, hey, this work is that important because he. Turns it up. You know, that's the picture. 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And, you know, the cheek of reality.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6832.8,6838.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/472","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e And I tell it I tell you one I'm sort of obsessive. That's right. But at the moment on this, I want to get a feature film going if I possibly can sometime in the next year or so, is because I think that films at least chunk of films inevitably, or will have to move into this phase where because I think that if you go into the normal cinema now and look at the normal run of films, let's say even the films which represent two thirds of the mental and financial output of this country, the absolute rubbish and the rubbish in the sense that they are basically, I mean, not only the subject matters trite in the extreme, not only are they cluttered with a series of professional, technical and acting cliches which deny believability right the way down the line. Yes, it is this really. It's because they are made in such an unrealistic basis. And I'm not saying you have to have authenticity said. You have to have people think that Bogart is being filmed this whole thing. But it's the basic concept is now going took me out of date and is old fashioned, I'm sure. I'm absolutely convinced of this. The basic way of films, of the basic style of films. The basic style of Lewis Gilbert, Lesley Norman, Sidney Box, all these other clapped out Harris. And they've got their equivalents in every country. The basic cut. Counter cut. He talks to be B replies to A the smooth run of dialog, the feel of actors, the feel of glossy studio lights, the feel of unreality. This, I hope, is going to die. I hope I'm it won't, of course, but I hope it's going to be relegated to a certain proportion of output.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6839.77,6940.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/473","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And rather than.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6941.07,6941.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/474","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e The majority output, we're just going to know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6941.99,6943.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/475","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e That you condemn the cinema then on the basis that it's not real.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=6943.47,6947.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/476","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No, it's not that. I think it's in the hands of a lot of technicians at the moment. Not everyone, but I would say the fourth 4/5 of 4/5 of most directors in most countries. I'm not going to really talk with any knowledge about Britain. These people, the directors want you. Yeah, I do technicians. I think, you know, you can make a film with Dirk Bogarde or anybody else. Doesn't matter if he's a star, which is an old fashion. I mean, this nonprofessional thing only goes in certain directions, but you can make it so that from beginning to end, you really care what happens to him, or you believe what he's supposed to be happening is happening. Now, you tell me the number of films you can see where you feel that. I bet you can count them on one hand per year where you don't know that it's a film where you don't know. There's the all star system where you don't win, you don't see the interminable cliche of tracking shots cuts into zooms, the usual palaver cut, counter cut montage cutting all the usual cliches we've got ourselves into, which we flog. Studio sets, studio lighting, lights outside and streets which are unforgivable. Post sync. Which is unforgivable. You know, you know you an hour and a half. Once you come out, it's gone. Well, except for five films a year at the very most. 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Many people will say that they don't go to see realism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7025.54,7029.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/478","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no I don't I'm sorry, I you're about the 500 person who said I didn't swallow that at all. This is this is this is a this is a bloody excuse. So many people say, oh, people don't go to cinema series and they go for an escape. All I can say politely is bad unless they don't. The the the the Carry on dentist films will be popular till till the day of the Last Judgment. Of course they will. 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And we have never seen one. The sort of Dirk Bogarde, you know, gunrunning of the Spanish border. This will go on being popular, but unfortunately there's no other. There's no real sort of school, if you like, of other thought of filmmaking in this country. And this country.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7058.81,7076.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/481","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Obviously is in country.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7076.54,7077.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/482","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yes, yes, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7077.65,7078.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/483","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But I mean, in this country.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7078.61,7079.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/484","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Even in France and Italy, it's very much a minority. You think of the number of films which use exciting techniques, which are not the convention, but which themselves are not about those frothy, glossy, superficial, often purely erotic subjects. And you start to get down to a very low minority number. You look at Mr. Truffaut's latest work, or Jean-Luc Godard, or people who who, you know, they're not concerned with making films for the normal public. They're consumed with a certain sort of intellectual band. This is the other thing which gripes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7080.6,7108.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/485","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Me as to what you are really saying, is that you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7109.07,7111.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/486","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Want I want to make do. I want to make film, I want to make films for Mr. Mrs. Brown. And the average street which which present life as Mr. Mrs. Brown lead it and as they lead it, and not as Sidney Box would like to have them think other people need it. I think you have an.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7111.62,7127.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/487","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Assumption that they really want to see that I do, I'm not sure they do, but I don't know. You have to you you can you can show on film. You don't like how they lead it, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7127.43,7136.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/488","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yes. But but you got, you got it. No one's got any basis for saying they think the people don't want to go to the cinema to see that. That's just an assumption on your part. Just as much as the assumption on my part. They'd like to see it, I grant you, but that this sort of unreality thing is the general sort of excuse, if you like, or reason, you hear for three quarters.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7136.7,7153.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/489","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Why don't you even want to adopt a cinema verité technique for shooting? Actually, what's going on other than stating a thing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7154.62,7161.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/490","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you try. You try filming a thermonuclear bombardment and see what you can get. It actually is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7162.48,7166.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/491","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What you want to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7166.29,7166.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/492","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Try doing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7166.77,7167.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/493","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e It. Because, I mean, you do want to make a realism. Alright, fine. But I mean let's.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7167.73,7171.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/494","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No, but you can't. That's physically impossible, I mean realism, you can go out and make a realist documentary about a Welsh family or a Welsh mining family or, or a whole, a whole mile. And, you know, shipbuilding pound doesn't really matter. But the point is, you're in a situation then, which you've got to accept what happens. And maybe you don't want to make that sort of film. Maybe you want to make a film, which I don't know, depends really what you want to do. But you can.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7172.26,7196.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/495","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But actually with these clicks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7197.35,7198.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/496","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e This can be extended into.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7199.57,7200.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/497","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Realistic science fiction.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7200.68,7201.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/498","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No, you're not making science fiction. That's what.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7202.3,7203.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/499","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Will happen. This is the thing, in a sense, the best in the best sense what science fiction wants to do. Very true to project what very likely will happen in a certain given a certain second class.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7204.04,7214.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/500","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e That's true not to this war film, but but you take it, you take a normal film.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7215.14,7218.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/501","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e With it and can.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7219.85,7220.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/502","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Repeat. And even a fiction film, you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7220.87,7222.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/503","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Haven't seen the newcomers yet. You know that laugh and boom and series after that. Is this this, or do you think this is really.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7223.0,7229.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/504","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No. Why? Well, I haven't seen. I haven't seen about icons. You must know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7230.23,7234.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/505","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Why do you think it is? Why are you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7235.0,7236.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/506","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Only seeing quarter of an hour of it? Yeah. That's all quarter now of one of them. And that was enough for me. I ran.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7236.41,7241.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/507","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And why?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7242.17,7242.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/508","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Because you thought it was great. I haven't I haven't seen the real life. Well, it wasn't that's the point. I mean, the point is. This this is a much more difficult thing to talk about. This is my own personal opinion, but a lot of people try and make films or like to make films about things which with which they are socially familiar or the environment in which they socially move. And this was right up, Martin, whatever his name is yet John Boorman Street, he was making about some friends. And the rather uninteresting couple I mean not worth 6 billion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7242.74,7275.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/509","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Mr.. Mrs. Brown.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7276.32,7277.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/510","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I definition this uninteresting couple.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7278.24,7280.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/511","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e That is not true. This couple, this couple were not so typically. I don't think you can say this is a typical example. This was very much if you look at the work of Boorman and you look at the work of Ken Russell and you look at this young couple, these this young. It's not different in a sense because of the social environment they work in. Is basically this, this slightly sort of offbeat. This couple weren't 100% normal. They were saying. Okay, listen, they were surprised that there was no but the walking Russell's people are not like this at all. They were they belong to that that strata of the population, which I don't think is representative of 100% of our population. They belong to that. Slightly intellectual, sometimes kinky, sometimes non kinky, but off.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7281.16,7322.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/512","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh oh kinky.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7322.57,7323.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/513","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Off beat. Oh when I do I don't mean that completely bizarre, but I mean offbeat, offbeat, overtly or inversely trying to rebel against the system category of people in which most directors themselves move. And you point to me, the number of films that move outside this social strata. And my got we got about 12 social starters in this country, and you can't count those on more than six fingers of two hands. And I got so fed up with that, because this fall into the trap of showing is a couple there and and I mean why the same couple for six episodes. 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I mean, I don't say that and I don't I personally don't I cannot do this film at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7388.34,7395.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/517","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I, I.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7396.02,7396.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/518","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Are you interested in any of that? I'm going to show him to a camera and any of the work of Leacock or May as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7396.83,7403.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/519","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yes. I like I haven't seen many things, but those I have seen, I have some more than others. But 1 or 2 I've liked very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7403.85,7411.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/520","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Because.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7412.22,7412.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/521","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, there are 1 or 2 other people making films like this now. It's difficult to differentiate. There was a film called San Francisco Detective.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7413.33,7418.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/522","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Because these are actually what I'm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7420.08,7421.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/523","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e What do you know, San Francisco detective? No. Well, this is really up. This is Leacock. Stand up completely. And it's a very good film. It looks amazing. I don't know, but it's an unknown person. But. But no, I really do feel this, Michael. This this total lack of concern with most branches of the society in which we live by the BBC and people who make films. But what do you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7421.61,7445.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/524","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Think about it? And I mean, I don't mean going to tell names that you but you then either do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7445.11,7448.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/525","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no, don't be smart about the subject matter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7449.34,7451.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/526","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e The range of subject matter is taken by someone like Philip Donovan.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7451.71,7454.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/527","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e And when you've got me that I must confess, because I have seen this transmission. Yes. Well, you know, you are rather picking on people whose output is not exactly typical or representative or frequent. 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Several hundred to six.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7479.55,7482.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/530","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Weeks running the last Sunday.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7482.79,7483.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/531","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e You know. And how long before that is AC had something out? That year, the year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7485.45,7489.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/532","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e We have it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7490.21,7490.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/533","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e When there's this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7491.23,7491.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/534","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e Kind of boom. And then the. Doing one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7492.28,7496.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/535","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e On the Irish Navy's in London.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7496.75,7497.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/536","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e You know. Well you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7498.28,7498.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/537","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Know, I mean what I.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7498.88,7499.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/538","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Mean I'm not saying exactly like whether these.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7499.9,7501.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/539","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Are good or.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7501.94,7502.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/540","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Bad, I know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7502.36,7502.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/541","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e This is all just. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7503.11,7504.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/542","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yes, I agree with you. I can with you in the middle. Yes, I agree with you. It is. Yes. I haven't seen the film, so I don't know the way he's done them. But this as subject matter, I agree. It is the sort of thing. Unfortunately eight films a year, I don't, you know, I don't know that all that push the balance a little. And when I say to, I don't make any difference in television or films and people keep splitting the two up as are they're totally different bodies. I don't know, I think we should we should have and could have a marvelous, a thriving documentary film industry in this country. And I mean documentary in the sense that it was in the sense it could be a doc, a documentary film, a documentary look at life, and it could be even a documentary look at a fiction subject, which is not the case, you can say, but I believe there's very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7504.73,7543.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/543","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No Let me get the in documentary here. Wait. What are you saying? When you say documentary, you mean just recording them? I don't really know what's actually happening. Yes. Oh, I don't believe there's anything. One, really. You know, everybody has his own view of reality. And I think that caladan is your view of Caladan and this other thing. And it is interesting because it's the style of the conveys the style that, yes, this is this smells authentic to me, but it's nevertheless, you know, you always thought that Godard said a thing that I thought was pretty, pretty important, that the effect of reality, sort of like a box of paints, you know, you use it like oil painting or something. It has a style. 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Because if you put that smudge of reality over a chocolate box, then which is in itself non-real, then you really want box bastardize your basic box.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7592.55,7604.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/545","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And I suppose that's what you're doing with coal. No, it's not really that dumb. No. Something has happened in the past. It's your interpretation. And you were saying you're sort of saying this. We're really filming this as it's happening. 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But then you're even basing yourself on something that's even weaker than the film. I mean, you know, it's somebody else's opinion of factual, of what happened. You're nevertheless in the box of your position on the thing. I'm not criticizing the film. I think it's marvelous. But I'm saying that I think your position is highly tenuous.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402#t=7627.99,7644.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262402/transcript/76735/annotation/548","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I don't. I do, I do not. Not in narration. No. I wish you were far more people in this tenuous position. That's all I can say. 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That's another problem, that's very, very...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399#t=6.71,14.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399/transcript/79351/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But would you not agree with me that apart from talking about feature films, apart from talking about overhauling the iniquities of the fiction feature industry, there could be a tremendous avenue for the more classic documentary film well-made so that people can go and, you know, as well as having a look at their weekly hour and a half ration of smoke. Of course. Thank you very much. Oh, cool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399#t=14.59,41.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399/transcript/79351/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That classic documentary film you're thinking of when you say classic documentary, you know, I mean, you...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399#t=42.07,47.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399/transcript/79351/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, you can take a film, like you probably haven't seen them, but you go and take a film. Actually, because every time I pick a good one, there are more that I've been going out and I'd like to give credit for. There was a very good one on Prisons, on Granada television. Did you see it? It was L. A. Graham, got this? 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A bloody good thing, and this is sort of on television, but you...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399#t=67.06,99.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399/transcript/79351/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you call this classic documentary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399#t=100.18,101.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399/transcript/79351/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e This is classic, I think classic, by classic I mean something that is very well made, that is made on the lines that the audience can digest and absorb, that is fair and impartial, that presents facts, and that can sometimes take a side at the end, all sorts of people So you mustn't take sides in doctorate, and I think this is nonsense.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399#t=102.14,122.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399/transcript/79351/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Be fair and not and take sides. That's a you know, that's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399#t=124.03,128.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399/transcript/79351/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I don't agree with it. I don- I don'- I do not agree with that at all. 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All I'm trying to say is why can't we have a modern equivalent of these things, that's all. Because I think you'd find that with modern, with directors today, other modern directors, young directors, they look at much tougher subjects as well. These were often rather sort of bourgeois subjects that were looked at. Well, and also...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399#t=168.19,186.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399/transcript/79351/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Very much uh... 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So you're very much an evangelic person like Measles. He is after, he's after, he is after realism, he is involved, not really, there's an involvement is the word, by the classic mean, by, he thinks, and I believe him, in fact I don't know if he's right, but if you make a film perfectly, you can have as much involvement as if you made it on the spot. A realist, correct. This is what Kevin believes in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399#t=235.7,262.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399/transcript/79351/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, then, actually, he would be very much more reticent to reject the techniques and style of the present cinema. He might reject the views and the aims of the producers, whereas you would learn them, and you seek out reality. Through camera use, to a great degree, as well as through detail, you're not looking for involvement. As a matter of fact, collabing does not involve you. It horrifies you in the sense that Brecht does, by giving you a distance on these things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399#t=262.59,296.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399/transcript/79351/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e It does both at once. It has evolved in the script and dialog distances here. It is exceptionally well done.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399#t=298.82,307.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399/transcript/79351/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But it's just that I've had a hell of a lot to do with the non-professional film movement in this country. And it's very difficult for me at this stage to divorce myself from the appalling conditions that there are in this country with regard to getting money for films and with regard to the whole atmosphere of filmmaking in this country and the subjects that are tackled and the way producers look at them. And the direct result of that. The sort of things audiences have now got used to and will probably only accept. 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And when, in fact, I see all this money being spent out on these nonsense things, I mean, these boxes, Sydney boxes, they command tremendous amount of budget. I don't know. Well, you know, he's just one of the people, he is one of the technician people. The people who go and do, I mean this sort of thing, Operation Crossbow and this sort of thing. I mean I would imagine the budget is astronomical, I think. It's an astronomical two hours worth of absolute cost, I would imagine. 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Whenever I open my mouth about it, there are all sorts of people. I liked Failsafe far better. Yeah, but Failsafes is much more conventional. Don't underrate it. I think it's a very well-made film. Have you seen his other film? I haven't seen 12 Angry Men, and I haven' seen The Hill, which he's got coming. No, I haven't seen it, no. But, uh... I think strange, I don't know, I thought at the time it was a well-made film, I keep hearing people saying how bloody awful they thought it was, I'm not... 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And that's why the film failed. I just have certain feelings about the present nuclear situation to not think it's awfully funny. And basically, this is an acceptance film. It is an acceptance. 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I mean, you know, I mean the Americans have got, you know, any other nuts and bolts, as far as the next bloody world war goes, mate, it will be your, it will be, your, your people and the Russian people who really be more particularly involved and we shall be there purely as a sort of crisp upside to it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399#t=460.21,479.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399/transcript/79351/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e This is why I'm saying this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399#t=479.92,480.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399/transcript/79351/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm more concerned with how the British people think about this at the moment. Yeah, but you're missing my point. No, no, I mean, you must remember, in America, you have a far greater decimation of public knowledge on the causes and effects of nuclear weapons. We've got nothing at all in this country. Mr. And Mrs. Boggs know nothing whatsoever about this, this is why I'm making this film. So consequently, so consequently, the effects of this film, I mean it hasn't had a very wide distribution, so... Which one? Strange, I wouldn't count. I think that's right, but basically it sends you out, if you don't know the ins and outs of the present development of nuclear weapons, you don' t know what they can do, you don't what the present stockpile is, what the plans for the stockpiles is in the next five years. If you don t know all these things, and most people don't, then it sends you out laughing about this, and that ain't on. How many people, how many ordinary people do you say all that film frightened me, as opposed to saying, either generally, or wasn't it funny, particularly, and they'll say, do you remember the scene with the COVID machine, they'll say? But how many people have said to you, I wonder if that could actually happen? Uh-huh. Oh, come on. How many?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399#t=481.54,554.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399/transcript/79351/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, well, almost everyone. In that sense, I think it did a good job, didn't it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399#t=555.49,560.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399/transcript/79351/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Are these people British?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399#t=560.55,561.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399/transcript/79351/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, we're not gonna do it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399#t=562.2,562.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399/transcript/79351/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, there you are, that's not winning, but that's the difference.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399#t=563.05,565.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399/transcript/79351/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I'm saying, you're making an attack on the film, which is legitimate based on your judgment of the British audience, but what you're talking about is a film in England.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399#t=567.54,579.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262399/transcript/79351/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e It's not that. It's also because there is this acceptance of thermonuclear war anyway, amongst a lot of people in the United States. And this seems to measure a certain degree of thinking, particularly top-level thinking. I mean, I know a little bit about this now. And I mean there's this whole limited face thing, all this whole business, this is just nonsense. 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It's a very extended business. There might be six hours in real life, five hours.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=48.44,68.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Any kind of pressure is fine too, and it is the rest of the program.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=69.39,73.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It has to be thought through reasonably, this is the point, that most dialog as it's written is fake. Terribly fake, especially when you see real recorded dialog, as you see in candid camera programs or certain documentaries. 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The actual dialog is specially faked, so that you can get the thing through a certain time. If we've had a shorter time, we've taken the bits out. 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We haven't stuck to the point, in fact, that the trunk, the logic of the conversation has completely gone askew, and this happened in all conversations, but it doesn't have English conversation, let's say. A businessman, say, ringing up on a telephone, can often go straight through onto the points he wants and make the points exactly as he wants. Still have all the emotional connotations of the contact with the person at the other end, but make the point very rapidly and quickly. People in emergencies do this as well. And lots of conversation can go without discretion if they're controlled. And this was all that we were doing, stopping the thing, branching off into some interesting branch which would take an hour or so, but come back ultimately to the real cause. In other words to be a decoration. 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I've noticed this with other directors, that they might not mention this, but this, finally what they're doing, they're kind of opening up a pore in which they can contact each other. I mean there are people with a, almost without ideas, but just with sounds, touches, things like that, and communicate practically in this fashion, you know. And what they'll say will be terribly banked. So you sense that this is kind of a rough port of being started here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=252.13,286.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, this was essentially what was happening. It's very interesting because I've done a lot of hypnotism and I found it was very close. Although I didn't use orthodox techniques of hypnotist, you know, starting in first state trance and so on. But some of these things were very, very similar. Now the idea was to carefully, how can you explain it? To explode the character into a scene or a series of characters. Sometimes I have to work simultaneously with two or three characters, you see. And this was quite difficult. Because you go away and you leave one of the characters dwelling on what you've just been speaking about and getting deeper and deeper into the part and you have to come back and get your timing exactly right and catch on and give him another job. What do you mean, get your time exactly right? Well, I mean, you watch the man. You watch every flicker, every expression of his face. You mean as the scene is going on? No, no, no. No, in preparation. 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We had this trouble, but...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=522.33,523.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e So your inner control had what identity was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=523.97,526.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, in building up the control, all I did was this. 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This is 35 mil. And in fact, this is what's really badly needed, is a 35 mil self-blimp camera. Well, the clerk's making one. It won't be out for five more years. Well, that's a bit hopeless. But this is really needed. We have to work with a blimp. This is a pain. 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This was work that we'd shot. Now what we'd have done was we'd arrived at this scene where he spoke the truth, as he knew it. This was the most difficult one, you see. Because the sort of faking and lying ones are easier. They're sort of playing around nonsense, you know, making jokes. Much more simple work. But this one was the truth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=862.33,881.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e He had to speak your truth. He couldn't improvise.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=882.68,886.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That's what I meant.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=886.85,887.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e He had to say what you had told him to say, the line of narration was yours.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=888.48,894.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. And this is what took the five hours. The inculcators? Yes. Now how long a signal is this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=894.59,899.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Spot is true.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=900.67,901.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, in fact we filmed all four minutes, we ran out of 400 foot roll on it, and recorded another four minutes of it after the run out. 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What you wanted him to say, the truth, the real reason.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=923.75,931.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e What i wanted to say","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=933.66,934.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e in the sense that this is the reason why I... Oh, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=935.16,937.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e He knew underneath all this, I don't know, it's very complicated to speak about whether the man knew it or whether he felt it, actually himself at this moment. He was so tied up and involved and enmeshed in this character that I don' think he was capable of speaking anything else but this character's real reasons and this was all gradually built up. I would talk to him and say, I would, I talk to like a conscience, like his mind working and he would, he would nod. At what moment would you talk to him? All the time. I talked to him for four or five hours.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=938.64,970.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm not doing this really now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=970.92,972.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Never previous to this shot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=972.54,973.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And could you give me an example of some of the things you've said to him?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=977.7,980.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That's impossible now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=982.13,983.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, all right, let's see what I'm trying to visualize in my mind, the kind of contact you were taking with it. You wouldn't come out and say things like, you think, this is what you're thinking or feeling.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=982.97,997.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh no, I would work like his mind. I would simply say to him, Oh Christ, this is useless. There's no point in us going on anymore. The whole thing, the whole room is so filthy and disgusting, we've got to get out of here. It's not good enough. I'd watch him, how he'd react to this, and then I'd just build up. Working exactly like his mind you see and so he would gradually superimpose on what I was saying and swing along and when I when I I would see him going slightly off I'd swing back onto some you know draw on some other thing I knew about him to get him back on if I didn't quite strike the right","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=997.58,1040.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e this about the room and so forth are you saying well this is just an example I didn't in fact use it but would you be giving it to him talking about so that his understanding would be that what you were saying applied to his character or would it just come in as a kind of a an environmental influence oh no","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=1041.78,1060.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh no, I'd call on absolutely everything, you see, the physical space is why we shot everything in location, because I wanted to employ the feeling, the atmosphere of each physical space we were actually in. And so I'd have called on everything, I would call on the sweat, the feel of the sweat in his armpits and the fact that he was dirty, that his hair felt oily and greasy, that he wanted to blow his nose, you know, I could call on purely physical. They're very important, because the way the mind feels depends on the skin that's all around it and what goes on. I'd call on this as well as all sorts of emotional things. 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So the voice of command, you remove the conscious altogether, your voice becomes the voice of motivation and command, and in a similar way you can do this with actors, you can remove their own volition to do things, to behave in their own way, and replace it with your own or that of the part.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=1149.05,1203.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Just to further this, I was thinking, perhaps our vocabulary is a little outmoded, as you suggest. Perhaps there isn't the old concept of the subconscious, and perhaps there isn' t the old concepts of volition and things like that. But that actually what the hypnotist is doing... Is something, it's just changing environment. What little hypnotism I have seen, generally the person begins responding realistically, I mean, as you would in everyday life, but to an imaginary environment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=1204.98,1234.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But this is very similar to play of course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=1236.87,1238.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But which he believes in intrinsically. The hypnotist, when he says, you're now out in the countryside and there's a running brook and the birds are singing and so forth, he's creating, through the mental apparatus, an environment. The person begins immediately to respond, and he doesn't have to act.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=1239.84,1260.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e This is a simpler way of doing it, see if you do it with an actor without putting it under normal hypnosis you have to produce a similar state but in a much more difficult way. Although the actors at the beginning were very dubious about this because, you know, it was striking right at the basic core of their work, of control, this thing that they've always been taught about. And I had a great deal of misgiving in the beginning of the work. And by the end the the main actor is very good","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=1263.37,1300.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But when somebody's under real hypnosis, and you photograph them in the character that you've hypnotized them into, do they look convincing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=1301.87,1311.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know, we didn't use really, no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=1313.11,1315.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I wonder if anybody had? Well, you know what I mean? People locked themselves up swimming or something, doing their thing. 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I think it's very interesting to see. I don't see much on the screen. 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The only thing that conditions you is actually that you are aware of the attenuating...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=1361.76,1370.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But if the cinema audience was not aware that the person was synthesized in the book, there would be nothing to betray.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=1371.93,1379.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I've never seen any difference, but I've really never looked extremely carefully at the eyes. But, you know, during any emotional upsurge and normal hypnosis, they look completely normal. Although they don't tend to move their eyes unless instructed in when they're first asked to open their eyes. They open their eye, but they don' t do anything very much with them. In other words, they don t take an interest in their surroundings and so on, until they're told. Until they're told what the surroundings are. Because, you know, the point of this is quite apparent. The whole point with hypnosis is you put them to sleep to begin with. You tell them to relax totally, and you put into a very deep kind of relaxed sleep. And then you ask them to open their eyes, and you bring them out again into various kinds of activity, and they won't tend to come out of this very easily or willingly. You can't produce by hypnosis anything which is against the basic personality of a person under hypnosis, except under extreme circumstances.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=1380.83,1445.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But you can go down and select within the personality characteristics which can be exaggerated at that point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=1447.28,1454.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Un-hypnosis, right? Oh, yes, you could, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=1455.52,1457.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Which is essentially what you're doing here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=1457.49,1459.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But I think there's quite some difference between this and real hypnosis, although they're very, very similar. In many aspects.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=1461.69,1472.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What's going on? Oh yeah, it's slow motion. I'm interested now in what difficulties came up once you began the rehearsal, once you got this emotional current flowing. 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Is that true, or had you planned it in the sense of shots as well?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=1515.14,1522.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no. I always had to do it chronologically and then repair it as best I could. This was the most difficult thing. You know, I threw filmmaking out the window rather than the acting in this particular film. 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This character split apart too far or somebody went out of focus or something like that. Now I would have to go and cover reshoot the scene in some way. 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Was it where they move, were there, for instance, scenes which required actions, or were there scenes which require introspection? And it seemed just off the top of my head that introspection would be, although difficult, the most convenient kind for this type of approach.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=1908.36,1940.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I think there were two scenes, two kinds of scenes. That were difficult, the highly intense emotional scene was difficult. Crying? 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We have to be scheduled weeks in advance. Everything has to go cleanly, neatly. Over a period of what? 30 shooting days. Have you worked for 100 and something shooting days?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=1984.67,2000.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I think our effective shoot, given that there had been no bad experiences which we did have you know by having all these camera breakdowns and getting pushed so we were trying to shoot exteriors in winter in color with an f4 lens. This sort of problem. I think that our effective shooting time was about 3-4 months effective, real shooting time. It's very, very hard work and you indulge the actors, no end.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2004.49,2030.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e This is, this is part of your relationship with the exhibition. Oh, yes, yes. You speak of indulgence, for instance. You know, you constantly are pampering them and telling them they're... No, not...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2034.08,2047.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, not pampering them as people. You know, I disliked working very much with spoiled actors or actresses. I did have one example of this, and this was not very pleasant. But pampering them from the point of view of their profession. Now normally, the studio, everybody buggers around for hours, putting up lights, pushing in this way and that, pushing the stand-ins around, measuring out their distances. And then they say after two hours, right, ready, and they push the actors in as they go on work. This is the normal studio method. The actors just prefer to produce it just like them. And as a result, they don't produce very good performances. I think the standard of judgment of performance in television and cinema is very low, that people are given rave notices for performances which aren't in fact very good. This is what we all set out to do. You know, this is the assumption we set out with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2047.98,2107.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But here you're talking about good performances being performances that are deeply felt, really, in your case.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2108.92,2116.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, we tried to get this behaviorist acting. Now, whether we can transmit this in a film, you know, whether people are going to be able to sit in the audience and get the intensity that we were producing on the set is another thing altogether. This is a problem with the medium.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2117.089,2133.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You speak of intensity on this side. This was highly noticeable. The crew was affected.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2133.87,2141.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I was telling Thorold about this one scene of a hysterical breakdown in a girl, which I actually showed Thorold. When this scene was being shot, there was a unit of seven working. Three members of the unit weren't able to work. The boom operator turned his back and wasn't able watch the scene. The focus puller refused to work, he said, you can't film that, you cant film that. And they had to push him out of the way. And the producer, James Quinn, rose out of his seat like that. And watch the entire scene in a position something like that with a look of shock on his face.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2142.45,2176.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e You're set about to create a historical breakdown?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2177.85,2180.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, this was the idea.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2180.99,2182.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e This was she.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2184.35,2184.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e This was the moral function of the unit coming in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2186.25,2192.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, it was very interesting though, great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2192.86,2193.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e The professionalism fell down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2193.8,2195.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, there were great arguments later among the unit, whether I should have done this or not. But the true professionals, you know, the cameramen, the well-experienced men, the cameraman and the sound operator, sound recordist, luckily were completely calm and unmoved, insofar as they were, had earphones over their ears and the other guys peering through the viewfinder, and they luckily had the presence of mind. There was no clapper, we couldn't put a clapper on it. I worked, it took me... Two hours. The unit's just sitting around. The lights roll on. For two hours we worked. I worked on this girl and produced it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2196.19,2233.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And you produced it to, now at first, had you warned your crew that they would have to get into action at a point when it could not be waited until they said ready action? and they were prepared to go in without any signal from you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2234.77,2247.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I guess I gave them a signal with my hand.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2247.669,2249.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Tell me how you, had you planned in your mind, your Evan will attack for this scene.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2250.43,2257.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e For this, yes, this was a very unusual...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2257.99,2259.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e That person to bring it out. What were the things that came in your mind you're going to consider in her, in the scene, in order to produce that effect?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2260.2,2268.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e This is an exceptional scene, this is not... This is not quite true, because every scene was individually different in a way, but this was a very exceptional scene in its technique, because the actress was not told what she was going to produce. She had no idea what to say. No, nor did anybody else. Secondly, it was a scene of interior hysterical guilt. It's not a normal narrative, it's not the scene which is perceived by people outside, it is a scene hysterical. Which is produced as a real act, but which is in fact an interior thing which is supposed to operate on the whole audience. A very strange sort of idea, you see. And it's filmed in a very funny way. It's all filmed on a great white wall with a little figure clamped right down in the right hand side of France. A very, very... It was a fixed shot. Oh yes, it had to be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2268.27,2321.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e She was simply on... What I understand is, was this meant to, is this in the film meant to be really happening or is this something she's thinking about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2323.08,2330.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, it's not meant to be really happening, it is something that is going on in her. I've just exteriorized it. It's not mean to be realistic, it doesn't happen as a thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2330.67,2342.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I want.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2344.98,2345.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, just not in the narrative, at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2348.19,2349.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But here you have a problem. You obviously produced something that was real, that was absolutely real, in a sense, a piece of behavior.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2350.2,2356.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, after this scene was produced, I've got a feeling she just had just, you know, she was an actress and must have let herself continue going to the scene, although she resisted for a couple of hours. You know, she did in fact produce the scene in a true professional way. When it happened, she let it go. In other words, she exploded into the scene and the scene ran its course and she finished the scene. And she knew at the end when she came out of it that she'd produced a performance. It didn't matter to her how she done it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2357.05,2388.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What were the barriers that you felt that you had to knock down successively in order to arrive at that explosion?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2388.35,2394.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, the first barrier in her case was the barrier of her training, her dramatic training, which is traditional English.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2395.0,2400.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You had to go through that, even at that moment in the scene, after all, you've been filming for a while, nevertheless, for this scene, you had to break down the professional barrier again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2400.94,2409.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, because this is very unusual. She said, what am I supposed to be doing? And I said, I'm not telling you what you're supposed to doing, we're just going to work and we'll produce it. And she kept saying, for God's sake, tell me what I'm supposed to do and I'll do it. You know, there was this sort of resistance. I just kept talking, this was very difficult, because in the mechanics of the actual performance I just commenced talking to her as the character. And she would keep slipping away and exteriorizing, and saying, well look at that unit all sitting out there waiting, it's silly, you know, just tell me what I'm supposed to be doing. I would attack her as a person, and I would attacked her personality, and she would slip back into the character to defend herself, and now I would attacking the character, and she will slip out again into herself, until there was no distinction between the two of them. And she finally PLEANED, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2409.29,2462.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And so she cracked on her own without you having said, that's what I'm after.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2463.29,2466.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh no, I didn't say that's right, go ahead.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2467.3,2468.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And what was her behavior when she cracked?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2469.48,2472.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, just crying, and screaming, and acceptance of guilt. It's a very strange scene. You can, if you like. That's not very good, you can't see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2473.67,2486.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Who spends more? Who can't spend? He'll go nuts.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2485.89,2490.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, this is very, I run into these things myself, especially at UCL, people tell me, oh for heaven's sake I'm a professional, you know, things like this, don't give me that, you know. Tell me what I'm supposed to do, and I'll do it. This is the attitude of almost every New York actor, too. Bob's wife is this way. I'll do it, you, know. It's my art. And so we're doing something that's highly anathema to these people for the most part.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2493.52,2525.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I found at the end of the film that the really good actors who'd been involved were really fascinated by this, and the main actor. And this was something I never suggested to him because I know this is, you know, removal of the art altogether by using hypnosis altogether. He's very keen to try it. Total hypnosis.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2526.93,2543.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Can you go off and commit suicide?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2544.51,2545.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, but we had some very strange things. We had to watch him like a hawk. He's a very good actor. He came up to O'Neill, which is the method school in London. So this is a great advantage to begin with, you see, because they've got away from this 19th century version of drama. You know, they've had the trouble from the central school, graduates and so on. And he was a student, all the others were well established professionals and well on the way, you know, in fact, Gabriella, the main star, has been starring in movies all over the place this year. 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We were talking about the acting studio train, and the studio train being more receptive to this kind of approach. I would have one hesitation to accept it. My experience at Actors Studio was that what they have done, the way Lee Stossberg works anyway, They have turned. The interior technique into a kind of crystallized calcified set of machinery, you know, which is just as stultified and difficult as the old 19th century exterior techniques, so that you get I don't know how it works in London, you see, but I see guys get up there and they go around, they mope around and everything, and everybody sits very respectfully for about an hour and a half and watches this guy. And then Strasburg, or in one case it was... I forget her name. She was substituting for Schoenberg, the woman who played Linde in Death of a Sailor. She says, all right, darling, that's very good now. What were you working on? He says, I was working on concentration. And so she turns around, she says, all right class, everybody judge him only on concentration, you know, nothing else. And so we talk about concentration for an hour and a half. So the guy's been spending his time working on his concentration apparatus, you see. 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And it might vary from group to group he works in and with producer to director he works with, quite clearly. And this is a very bad mistake. But characters like Mike, who realize this when they're being trained in the method school, who realize it's... Because of the tendency of the people who teach it to make themselves into little pundits and demagogues, you know, all terribly significant and all that sort of stuff, going straight against the whole idea that Stanislavski was putting up to begin with. And as soon as they started writing down the rules, they screwed themselves. And he knew this, and what he welcomed, but the thing that he came in with was the fact that people have been making fun of the rules of the method work. And so he was very open to all sorts of ideas. And this is what... 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Do you think it's adequate to see it there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2794.53,2797.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Functional camera.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2798.97,2799.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you get any effect from it when you saw it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2801.069,2802.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I want to know now something that you mentioned about the tricks that you employed. I'd like to have a few examples of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2804.62,2811.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, they were enormous. Sometimes, on the simplest level, say, we'd have an actress, a minor part, who, you know, we didn't have time to go through thousands and thousands of people to select. We just have to take somebody who was available and whom we had recommended. I'm having a bit of trouble with this. And so we just got the main character to give her a quick smack with a piece of wood at one scene when she didn't expect it and this produced the result we wanted. 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Because, you know, we're filming like mad, and she was only available for that day, and she wasn't producing a very good result. 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Well, if we'd say, this is quite an interesting one. We had a scene, we had very little film to shoot and we had to get the scene in one take, shot in three sections. And this in fact was a scene we were reshooting and we'd all been unhappy with the previous take. We got a new actress in to do the part. It was a beautiful little scene. And we worked and worked and work to this on rehearsal. 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Oh yes, improvising all of them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2955.38,2957.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But this is a very, very short scene of about six minutes, but which contains an enormous amount of interaction and meaning.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2958.59,2965.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Short scene of 6 minutes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2965.76,2967.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That's short for such a scene. It's a beautiful scene. And when it came to the point, they worked on it so much that I wanted to throw them off balance, but not very much. So what I did was I just got the actress to change clothes completely. When the guy came out and spotted her, she looked much more in character, you see. We'd done this deliberate switch, much more scruffy and dirty. That threw him off balance and he got his... He got his ideas around the wrong way, but it worked much better.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=2969.73,3001.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e After they've rehearsed on us, I see you finally need a refreshing. When they've rehearsed an improvised scene, when they come before the camera to perform it, what is the quality of their improvisation at that point? Are they just repeating? Are they repeating, crystallizing things they've already done?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3003.38,3023.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e What, from a rehearsal? Well, you know, I was explaining before, each of these, every one of these scenes is individually done, and each has a different, completely different technique, completely different way of getting it. This one was exceptional, because we had such a short-edged film, I used a completely different technique to get it, and I used the very low-key trick in order just to switch them, switch them about a bit, not balance, but on another scene. Wait a minute, I'm sorry, I lost your low- key trick. That's a low key. What do you mean the... 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Because it was different to all the other performances. It was still different to the other ones. All I had to work on was getting the emotional picture 100% just before we took. This is where I did the work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3064.92,3075.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But they were always in the same position whether they were rehearsing or taking.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3075.8,3078.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Not always.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3079.92,3080.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I mean, they were all in the same area. You didn't say, now, all right, now come on in front of the camera. Surely that breaks things. They were rehearsing where the camera was. The camera was watching them all the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3080.43,3094.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, we watched and rehearsed and we recorded a lot of the rehearsals. Oh, you did? Yes. Played them back and so on, so they could see how it sounded. This was an exceptional one. Oh. Well, another one, on another level, completely the other end of the scale, for example. I would use techniques of acting, having the director act just as much as the... So, um, scream at them or something, you know, just before the scene. You were set to go?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3093.98,3122.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Why don't you go on the side then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3125.24,3126.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e How do you spell your name, Levy? L-E-V-Y. L-e-V.Y. Donald, is it? Yeah. And what did you say the name was? Yes, working title? Herostratus. Herost-ratus, Herostatus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3128.37,3144.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e S-T-R-A-T U-S, Hilostratus. Alright, fine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3145.97,3152.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e What are you using for sound, a Nygros? I'm using a Nygro.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3158.43,3162.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And AKG DB24.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3163.72,3166.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. A.K.J. DB-24.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3168.04,3169.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Very useful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3172.16,3172.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3173.19,3174.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm probably going to do an article on this kind of thing, combining some of these things. Do you find that this kind, this style?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3176.31,3187.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Involves a complete reconsideration of structural aspects of the film as far as the plot structure, narrative structure. If you're dealing with another animal, let's say that, if you were doing Long Day's Journey into Night, which could conceivably be the same kind of film, you see. Long Day' Journey into Knight is...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3190.59,3211.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e It's a film where people tear at each other whether it's introspective or it deals with this But it nevertheless has a theatrical structure","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3213.55,3220.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think the actual narrative structure has to be very fluid, and if you were doing Long Day's Journey into Night this way, you would alter the story as much as the characters were changed. 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Are you altering your story?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3247.84,3249.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I didn't, in fact, have to alter it very much. I altered it, yeah, here and there. Yes, I altered quite some.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3250.41,3255.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e What were the determining things that made you alter here and now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3255.98,3261.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Character always character yeah the way the characters reasonably behaved given circumstances always was governed by character because it's really what makes a story function that's why I did it this way","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3262.12,3274.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e the action to demonstrate character. Do you mean that if you discover another aspect of the person, it becomes more obvious?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3277.73,3289.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Aspect of the character you're dealing with, you would invent some action to demonstrate that, or...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3290.98,3295.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, but supposing you place two people in given circumstances, and you say, OK, these are the circumstances. Proceed from here. Every group of people would proceed differently. Now, always, I wanted the... The actors to understand all the actions to be authentic, to flow from what they understood the characters to be. And if I then said stop, no, this is not quite what we want. Let's see if we can't produce this. And they tried and couldn't do it, then I'd alter it. Always, always, ultimately, the character that that actor was creating had to find this action authentic. If not with, it threw it out and the plot was changed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3296.55,3347.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e What was it that determined whether or not he found it authentic? 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I wouldn't have done it under any normal circumstances, but this was the one problem that this caused.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3382.27,3394.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e How much, what is the period of time the film is supposed to cover? What in terms of weeks, years? In its time. In its times.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3396.87,3405.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Uh, it covers about two months.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3406.73,3408.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Two months. There's obviously a depth or a deepening or a change, an evolution in the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3409.89,3416.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But it proceeds in a funny way. It goes in three movements. It goes in one continuous action which occurs on one day and then the second movement which is a whole series of small incidents spread over the months and then a whole, the third third of the film, one continuous action again in one day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3418.02,3436.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e If you were to sum up the film, what would you say about it, as you try to inform someone of what the film is about, what will you say?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3437.5,3446.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It's very difficult","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3447.08,3447.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I mean, is it a man's coming to terms with himself through a certain action? I'm not asking for necessarily plot details, but, you know, intrigue, but...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3448.27,3464.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, in fact, the substrata of the film are extremely deep and I hope we've got them. This is, you know, of course, what I was aiming at through the whole film. It's about... A society which can ask its members to simultaneously win, compete, beat the other man, get to the top, and then ask them at the same time simultaneously to exhibit pity, gratitude, decency, honesty. This is one theme. The other theme is the theme of egoism. In fact, the problem is not that people can't communicate, that they don't choose to. And there are many other themes that goes down as a sort of network, it's a very complicated basic theme and the narrative is all stuck onto this, you see. It's a sort tragedy of egoism, separation by egoism and tiny greeds which mount up to form gigantic injustices in the whole society and there are all sorts of funny film techniques that are used in this. Film by the way. Why these are funny techniques? Well, they haven't been used before. Because you know the narrative is just one part of the film and another part of it, and using... How can I describe it? A form of chorus, these whole sequences are cut into this film which have nothing to do with the narrative at all, but which merely echo the emotional quality of the film. The whole film proceeds on a sort of emotional level, although there's all this bloody intellect underneath it, the most important thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3465.5,3565.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e This would be one of the things you were talking about, the exteriorization.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3565.94,3568.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, that sort of thing. But that's a very simple one, because Adidas at least possesses one of the characters in the film, and a reason for a behavior and a logical thing. For example, there's a scene with striptease cut in among a slaughterhouse scene, and all sorts of bits of newsreel and stuff are cut into the film for this reason. But this is all the filmmaking part, not the acting part. Nothing to do with the acting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3568.96,3596.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e But to get that material, well, only in the case where it involves actors, then you have to deal with it. You did everything in the same manner, I mean, as far as directing the people involved, no matter what style or the way you were cut. Well, could I see you on that scene? I'd love to. Well... Whatever you want.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3597.77,3618.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Back in the main character, you see, and he was in a very bad state and he wanted her to come to bed with him and he'd asked her wrongly and there's this very nice scene. This is the one girl in the film, the one person in the movie who understands what goes on in this character and she asks him to ask her properly and things like that. She realizes the character is unable to ask properly and she has this very cynical approach. He thinks everybody is like this. And she's just proved it to him yet again that he's just like all the rest of them and so on. Anyway, and this scene comes from much later in the film. This is planted in among the action at the end, which is fairly tragic. In quotes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3618.83,3662.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e I have something going on, is that just the lamp?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3664.36,3665.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Probably. I can't remember anything else.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3666.59,3668.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e I guess it is. It smells like, you know, electrical thing. Go ahead. Sorry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3669.88,3673.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I can too. What you call non-actors is non-practicing professionals. People without the acting habits. Non-professionals, yeah. And I'm sure it could produce such performances out of them, but it would take much more work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3673.27,3688.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think you gave the most valid reason for not using them, and that is the length of time necessary. My feature I shot in Algeria, I shot it in four months, I used non-professionals. I had all sorts of enormous problems. I didn't... I sort of guided myself in terms of their difficulties, but I mean one of the major problems was getting them to hang onto the ship for four months.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3689.2,3714.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Try to, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3714.83,3715.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e At least one of them, my major character, he had a hard time, a couple of the fact that we were being blown up and machine gun and everything else was another problem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3715.96,3726.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, it would be interesting. The greatest battle I found with the actors was to remove their acting training and technique.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3729.9,3737.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Well then, Steve, what you're trying to do is you're trying to get back to the man, the sensitive human being that he is, you see, which is what I hope I'm finding when I'm talking about non-active, you know, but without the acting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3739.09,3749.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But they do, they, again, do have, as I said before, this want, this acceptance of the fact that they will have to be other people at different, if they're good, if possible at different points. Although I think, you know, the limits to which, in a very deep sense, an actor can approach thousands of different characters. I think that, in fact, the number of parts an actor really can play well is very one or two, but not an infinite number is. In the old school used to think. Not in a really deep, intense way. It's silly to expect a 19 year old boy can play full staff. The argument is that this can happen with a good actor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3750.11,3791.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Of course, part of the charm of acting as the old style of what we liked is the fact that we know that person isn't the person he's playing, and we kind of enjoy the outline he's drawing. Some people caricature in one way or another. When Olivier plays Richard III, we see the extent of the caricature, the inventiveness of it, and that's what we appreciate. But when Olivier plays... Of, what's his name, Heathcliff or something on that, way back in the old days, Jane Eyre, not Jane Eyred, but the other one, Wuthering Heights, you had the feeling he was much more, he was more close to nature to, I would say.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3792.46,3836.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e This is true. In fact, I went through, in casting, I went through quite a few non-actors. I tried models and students, various kinds of people. But the actors turned out to be best. Also, there's the point of giving them the chance. Having given them this gorgeous opportunity to be in a big film, it seems a bit crazy not to give it to an actor, if he can do it, if he could do what you want, to give this chance to him to go ahead, rather than to some amateur who has to drop out later because they haven't got the faculty or the guts to continue. And pick up on all the background detail I have to get before they can make a living out of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3841.85,3883.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you ever find that, uh... You were attempting to draw the character out of the person without letting him in on it. That you get better results if he was not aware that you were distorting the person that he was, you see, using selective parts. I'll tell you what makes me happy. One of the experiments we did at school, we set up a bunch of what we called reality experiments and set up situations where the people, we had people go out and improvise, play scenes as if they were for real, but taking the as if out in situations which brought them in contact with people who did not suspect that they were acting, you see. And in a sense, live out a lie, that's what we were asking. And commit them to the fact that they could not let anyone in on the fact that this was all set up. So whatever went was for real and went. One scene a woman was supposed to be playing She thought she was playing the man's wife And before she came in the people of the room were convinced by one of the other characters This was in a bar That she was The man's crazy sister who usually went around presenting herself as his wife You see And the people in the bar were absolutely convinced, and so she comes walking in and she says, first thing she says I'm his wife, he has to come home, you know. And the, the people of the bar take us for evidence, oh poor girl, she is, she's crazy, she is crazy, she thinks she's his wife you see. So the girl suddenly didn't know who she was. And the fact that we had asked her to play is why, really made her more important as the crazy sister.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=3884.22,4007.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e How did it work on?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=4009.62,4010.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Fantastic. We didn't film it. It was an experiment for my students, in fact. I was experimenting with this thing, still. And what we wound up with was a completely purandellum situation, you see, that showed that everything was just a shifting, sliding body of appearances constantly, you know, have assumptions that people make.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=4011.44,4031.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That's interesting that you come up with that idea, because I'd planned a film on this basis. Filming the whole thing with a few characters as actors and exploiting all the rest by hidden cameras. Mm-hmm. In fact, I've got the idea all out and it's just a matter of getting somebody with enough guts to pay for it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=4034.66,4053.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e You see, these things are in the air now, I think. I've been possessed with this idea ever since, well, part of the thing that got me on it was the Algerian War, you know, and the shifting allegiances, and shifting concepts. I was friends with both sides, and so I was constantly being badgered, you know, my point of view was being shifted all the time, you know, I lived in this crazy world where there was nothing, where nothing could be and done. 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We spent a long time in Morocco.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=4091.21,4105.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 7:\u003c/strong\u003e How are you doing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=4105.85,4106.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e To be down and out in any Arab community is really a unique experience, I would say. Anyway, I'll tell you what I'll do. I'll play this... I'll stick the light on and play it through rapidly, because it's a short scene.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=4107.5,4119.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e And you said that the situation was with a minor character who was involved in the later part of the film.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=4121.3,4130.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That's, uh, I think","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=4132.57,4133.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e And she wants to go, she wants, she in a sense sort of emasculates everybody that she goes to bed with because she does, she want to show everyone that they're just alike, is that it? 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And just exists and only makes money when she has to by prostitution because it's the simplest and the quickest and otherwise she just lives on and has no contact with anybody especially lives in this crummy dilapidated house up above this character now that's all but this is nothing to do with this scene fine","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=4144.18,4182.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Fine, all right. But one question comes to my mind. The first thing I would be bothered with in trying to direct a person would be to not give her a big, sharply defined person, character. 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Oh, you just said it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=4232.17,4235.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, she only had a small part. But we were able to produce it. She lives in a not much better place herself anyway. Is that what you say? Two days. 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I mean, you are a rather regressive person moving back, you know, you are timid, you're this or that. Or did you work...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=4268.1,4285.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I didn't work on detail, always detail of characterization, and I left to the actors. This was the point, you see, I don't believe that a man can sit down and write true dialog and true characterization for dozens of different characters over many, many years. No man can do it. All these people he creates are always extensions of himself and very inadequate so you don't get a fullness of a characterization, you just get a lot of people who are parts of himself interacting. I couldn't agree more. And this is what I said after I said... What I want is a whole group of different people working and this is why we always let them split and play around with the characters and so on. And to use always their own dialog. 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Say it again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=4396.33,4398.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e All completely natural, isn't it? Yes, it did be natural. No, I found that this was really fantastically interesting. The characters weren't able to separate their lives from their characters' lives. Truly, you know, you've heard these clichés about actors who have had this happen to them. You know, so you have the great dramatic thing about the Othello who murders his own wife. But in reality, this doesn't happen. But in this case, it DID happen. And we had the most peculiar things happening because the main star, the actress is supposed to seduce this young man and by accident fall in love with him. And by accident she fell in love him and they had this affair and there were all sorts of fantastic jealousies and so on going on from her boyfriend who is quite a prominent man around the town. And these two fell in and they fell out of love as the scene progressed as they supposed to fall out of love. They thought I was weird, very weird.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=4400.86,4461.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you at any time have the feeling that you dabbled too far, I mean, you know, like foused or something? No, I don't think you ever can. 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And people told me that I didn't have the write to dabble, to set things going, that I did have the training to set straight afterwards.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=4474.76,4488.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, with this","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=4491.21,4491.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e There is a moral problem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=4492.53,4493.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e This might be true. In this scene, which I don't know whether I can show you, the scene of the hysterical breakdown, I didn't in fact bring the girl up by hypnosis, by ordinary hypnosis. I put her under orthodox hypnosis when the scene was finished.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=4493.26,4504.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 7:\u003c/strong\u003e No you didn't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=4504.36,4504.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And calmed her down, and she went away very happy. And, but the wall later, we looked at the wall, it was just an ordinary painted wall. And for some ungodly reason, there were two handprints on the wall where she'd smacked the wall with such force during the scene. She'd just taken the paint off completely, very strange. She's quite happy on the night. Okay, well. Just get this tiny little fragment on the end, just which is, but you can get this, probably the tone of voice that was being used as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=4506.07,4539.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Why did you say, now, tell me softly? You wanted her to direct herself toward you and not toward the character. Yeah. This is strange. Did you enter into this kind of relationship constantly with your characters, even though they were supposed to be talking to someone else, they were actually talking to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400#t=4539.33,4554.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262400/transcript/79360/annotation/299","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, this was an exceptional scene because in fact she's by herself and represents an attitude to what has been happening. 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This has been my kind of speciality. For instance, I just did a... Last year I did a documentary which was three... It was in three one hour parts and it was about a young couple. Was this with Citizen 63rd? No, this was to call the newcomers. I've been checking Bye. This was about a young couple who were living in Bristol, and they hadn't long been married, and she was having a baby, and it took, it was made and transmitted over the period when she, over the last sort of four months of her pregnancy, culminating in the birth of the child, and was a kind of examination of their whole life, their friends, their","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=6.17,61.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e She wasn't pregnant, though.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=62.1,62.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Relationship with their environment, with the town, the way in which they fit into it, their attitudes, and the whole kind of, you know, it was a period of, for them, a kind of a period of change and reassessment, and I was sort of chronicling this, and and it was kind of diary of the life of a city really, in respect of these two people. And it was, you know, it was for me, I mean, I felt with it, I'd taken my kind of documentary, anyway, as far as I could go. So that's why I'm, mainly why I moved into features. And I made this, this feature is made with a mixture of actors and non-actors. I've got whole sequences which are done with non- actors.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=63.78,115.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e How can you explain your fascination for this? Whatever it is that happens with a non-actor, that somehow you're involved in making something real. The thing that involves...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=116.54,124.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I'll tell you what...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=125.92,126.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e First, as documentarians, we're faced with the problem immediately. We have to either swim or sink on the non-active, you know? So we get involved in this kind of fusion between fiction and reality immediately. That's right, yeah. Sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=128.479,141.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think it's a very...I think it is tremendously exciting. I think that, in fact, I think it has conditioned my whole approach to actors, really. My approach to actors has been to... I mean I can't deal with an actor unless I've formed some sort of relationship with him, unless I know a lot about him as a person. And I force, I try and force them to put themselves into it, into the part really, which I don't know, maybe he's sort of cheating with actors, I don' know, but it's, I think It's so, I think with film really, that an actor can only really give. What he has as a person. I don't think that he can be someone else really.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=142.95,196.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Why is it in the nature film that you think makes it so?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=196.89,201.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know, I think it's probably the fact that you see the face so clearly, and in the face is written the life, you know, and I don' think he can change that. See, I mean, largely because I didn't really, throughout all necessity, because I had a, I didn' have a complete script on this film, that we improvised whole sequences and it was a tremendously painful business, actually, with the actors, because they broke down and they couldn't, and I was, I was placed in a situation where I was forcing them to do something and say things, where they, and they didn't know what to do or say, and nor did I, but we sort of groped towards it. But when it happens, when it fuses, I mean, it's marvelously exciting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=201.1,251.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Can you give me an example of something like this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=252.03,253.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e ...Of a situation. We can kind of trace it through, you know? Well, um... In this particular film, there's one sequence where the central couple meet a middle-aged couple in Bath, middle-class couple, and they go into their house. And I didn't know, when we started to shoot the thing, I didn' t know, I wasn't clear about what their relationship would be. And so, there was an introductory scene where I just had a room and the four actors and we put them there, we had the unit and we lit it and we wait and we stood there and I just talked to them and we discussed it, what they would do, how they would respond to each other in the situation and then I got them to do things and talk to each Move about the room and and What we got in the end, gradually emerged, was a kind of edge, edginess, which partly came out of the confusion they felt, and I could see this edge and I kept it, I kept hold of it and retained it, and this edge became the kind of key to the whole sequence, a kind of edginess between them all the way through this whole sequence. It gave me the key to the whole sequence, and I knew then how to play the whole scene, the whole of this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=256.81,344.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e That was the answer to how they were relating together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=345.31,346.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yes it was, yes. But then I find, I mean, you know, a weakness in myself, that until I see, I see the actors in the situation, I can't, I don't know, I don't what it's about, really, until I actually see it, that I know what's wrong then. I mean I, I, to some extent I can see what's wrong with us, in this way, it's in a script form, obviously, you know, and you approve and do what you can, but until I, actually, I see them in situ, I didn't really know what was wrong, and then it's my, I communicates to the actors and they are forced then to do something about it, they are thrown back on them, they can't just say their lines and do a performance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=346.85,386.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e What about a non-actor who doesn't have the commitment that the show must go on?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=386.38,391.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, with a non-actor, I think what you do, really, is that, I mean, on the whole, you're asking him to be himself, you're not often asking him do something outside of his own personality. Well, there, you see, is, I'm mean... A performer who's not an actor, but... Yes, you have. Well, he's the most extraordinary example, really. Because he's a very inhibited person, and in fact, has less talent, less latent talent for acting. Than anybody I've ever met. I think that the whole of his life, really, of being exposed on stages and things, he's built up a kind of shell around himself which he can't get out of at all. It's extraordinary. I tried to break this down. I mean, I tried humiliate him and I tried sort of break him down and start from scratch and in the end I couldn't. I mean the way I handled him was that all his lines just were repeated after me. And he just got the intonation from me and did it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=391.85,455.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I know, if you turn to a mechanical...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=455.82,457.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and it looks actually very mechanical, it looks mechanical, totally mechanical.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=457.5,461.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Of the three.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=461.53,461.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Which was perfectly alright. But it's, no, it's a very mechanical sort of performance. I mean, he just, he doesn't have any reality in it at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=462.03,469.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e That's a strange thing, you know, that you couldn't find the thing that finally makes it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=470.75,475.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I completely failed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=476.99,477.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e What you've done there, what you run up against there, is the reason why I'm doing this, is because I've had this problem too, where I've","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=478.07,484.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm glad to hear that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=485.19,485.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, I just run BAM up against this perfect guy for the role as far as morally, spiritually, everything else, and just a big, and I get zero, you know, so I had to use the mechanical techniques, which worked.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=486.0,501.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, they work after fashion, but you don't get the kind of life, the depth of life which is what you get out of non-actors. So there's one performance in this, actually, which is quite extraordinary really. It's a sequence with some beats, and they're all non- actors, you see. And they were all stoned when they did it, you know, or partly stoned. And there's this one boy who plays this role, and he has a... I mean I knew him well before, but he has a tremendous sort of presence, this sort of vibrancy that some people have got, and it just comes over in a very powerful way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=502.05,543.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e How do you tap this, how do you key it, what do you develop in this, when the thing works?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=545.21,552.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think, I suppose, I mean, one of the things you do as a director anyway, don't you, is that you try and... You try and isolate the, you know, you try and force everything else, all the camera unit, everything else outside. You try to make an envelope around yourself and the actor, don't you? And you try, and by your own kind of will, you force everything out and you just make something between yourself and actor. You know, it's what the man said. You know, and I had director, oh, it was Guthrie said, wasn't it, that director should be... The ideal audience of one, which is what a director and particularly a director of a film is, I think, because in the end, I mean, all the actors can only rely on, they've just got to rely on the director, because in a sense, they must be lost, they can't hold their performance throughout the film, because they don't know how it's all going together. And I suppose that's what, if you are successful at doing it, sometimes you are, sometimes not, it's because you have achieved that. A strong relationship of trust and understanding between yourself and the actor, or the non-actor, and then he can do it. You're releasing it. There's a man... You know Dennis Mitchell, that's all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=552.86,635.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I shall see his stones, I've heard his name, I'm trying to meet him, but I haven't so far succeeded.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=636.46,641.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I was with him the other night, I was doing a program actually, a television program about documentary. He has this extraordinary quality about him in his face. And you meet him, and you feel immediate trust. And you find yourself talking to him. You find yourself pouring yourself out. You can't help it. He just draws people in. That's the quality that he has. There's this other man that you ought to see. I expect you've heard of him, Peter Watkins, who did this thing called, well, that was the most remarkable thing. I mean, there he took a whole group of non-actors and put them into roles. Let me just. It was a brilliant piece of casting, a fantastic piece of casting, and it achieved a reality which was completely staggering, quite outstanding. I don't know how he does that. He's the man who's got the knack.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=643.1,697.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e It is an accident. Who did that to him?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=698.66,702.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e The film.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=703.45,703.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Take Lester","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=704.12,704.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But it is a... I suppose, you know, I don't know if you've found this, but I think that the, to achieve, when you do occasionally achieve this kind of relationship with someone, where you're, which is something private, which you're then putting into a public form, it's a very delicate thing, and I find, I mean, it's the most, it is the most erm, erm... Satisfying thing of all, really.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=708.76,742.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But say you've got a particular scene to do now, you see, like, well, and it has to operate in a certain structure, a certain direction, things like this. You said you were improvising. How much improvisation was involved in the ballroom? This looked highly designed. It was, it was, yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=745.91,767.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Because of the mass problems. Yes, that was very designed because I wanted to do it in telling a story in a kind of mind. The","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=769.11,785.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e You let yourself be led by what you can develop. Oh, completely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=790.55,793.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, completely, I think. Oh, Completely, I Think. I mean that, that is sort of, the particular thing was sort of a little, you know, technical exercise really, but the, well, I mean, my method is to take a, is to, is just to get, get the scene. I mean you take the script as a basis, and you read it over, and then you, um... And of course, this is the other thing I've found actually, because I take a lot of time over building a scene up, I have to save it in other ways because you've only got a limited amount of time. I shoot the scenes very fast, but I spend a lot of time in building them up. For instance, I mean, I never shoot masters at all. I break the scene down, once I've built it up, made it, then break it down. Wait, we had a, there was one, at the end of this film, there's a scene, climax, the climax, very. I thought, I had it right in the script, and I just, I thought all it was was a question of timing. So I played the scene, rehearsed the scene the previous evening, and... You did rehearse it as much as the day before, then? In this particular case, yes, I did. I rehearsed it the previous even, and it didn't work, I mean, it just didn't work. I mean I didn't know why, I just knew it didn t work. I mean all the elements seem to be there. And yet it didn't work. There were three people involved. So I said so. I said to the actors, the scene doesn't work. And I didn't know what it was. I thought it might be what you say, or it might how you say it, or the timing. I don't know. So we did a lot of work. We worked on the timing, and then that didn't work, so then I did what I used to do, which is to break it down. Just go back to the basis of the thing and discuss what the thing is about, and then play it. In an improvised way, just play it, play the scene, we're using other words. What happens then? I think there's a certain point at which you get the actors into a kind of highly nervous state. They do it for you in the end. I mean, that's what I find, I mean they do it for you. I never tell them what they should do in that situation because I think that what the actor is looking for then is to be told and he gets to a point where he just thinks he's helpless and he just wants to be told and if you tell him then he just sees on what you tell them and he relaxes and he says alright well I've got something to hold on to and this is what I'll do but I don't and I hold it and take it further and further and I just sit there looking miserable and and get them that picture and then I start to encourage them and I say well yeah it's somewhere there you know they do something I say yeah that's something there's something in that just hold on to that and build it up and think about that and and then in this particular scene the man, he came this way and I said, well, he crossed past the girl, you see, as he said this particular line, he cross-passed her, and he said this line, and it had its effect on her reply, because she was affected by his physical presence, you'll see, so I said, that's it, there's an effect there, you said that line a different way, because he was standing near you, you could feel him, you know, you can almost smell him. I did it again. As I say, they were in a terribly nervous, highly emotional state. He did it again, he came to her and he stopped. And he said his line, and she did her reply, and he kissed her, you see? Well, he embraced her, see? And which was the thing that he couldn't do in the scene at all. I mean, this is the thing he wanted to do in the sea, but he couldn t do it in the same, I mean because of the nature of it. He couldn't it. Well, all I can say is that after that, I mean, it just fell into place. We went back and did the scene.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=793.48,1072.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Is there any more? No, no. Couldn't do it because of the scene, really. Yeah. Couldn't it because the scene.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=1073.6,1077.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, couldn't it? But this was, it was a recognition in them of what, what the tension should be, you know, and then they were able to maintain it after that. And it was, yeah, it's marvelous, really. It was a marvelous experience, to see it happening. And all I did really was to witness it happening, I mean I was just a kind of catalyst, and I think that... There's a big danger I think in films of the, I think that actors are often humiliated in film making because they have to hang about for so long and they just do their little bit and then they go off again and everybody's concerned with technicalities and they're told to move here and do that and don't move into that light and then their pissed about and it's something terrible aren't they? And I think, that in a way, I feel anyway, that it's essential to make an actor at at least believe that he is... Contributing and I mean but I believe more than that I think that I mean that's the way I'd like to work is to to make them to make the actor make make the film or help to make film","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=1076.2,1144.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e In this case you're using them as persons. Yes. But the scene you described in this thing seems to be something that a person without professional training would have... Oh yes, yes he would. Were these people actors or had they... They were actors in this particular video.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=1145.19,1161.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e But in the...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=1162.74,1163.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e With, well I did, in this thing with the newcomers I did there was a scene this girl. I went with her actually, I used to go for her, you know, and she went, I went to the hospital with her and she was x-rayed and they developed, we waited there, I waited there with her, and we had to develop the plate and went in and they put the plate up on the, put a light behind it, I switched it on and he, the doctor said, the radiologist said, look, I have to tell you that you're going to have twins. You were filming, aren't you? No. And, uh... He said, I'm sorry, I have to tell you, you're going to have twins. And she, I mean, the effect was, she was just knocked out, stunned, you know, by this. And he then went on this very quiet way, it was terribly interesting, he went on a very quiet to describe to her how... How he had very, very quiet voice. He showed her the twins on the plate. There's the head, and there's the other head, and the legs, and so on and so. And she just so much, because I hadn't got it. So I did it. I went back and did it again. And in that particular case. I witnessed it, I knew exactly what I had to reproduce.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=1164.96,1256.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e You knew the mechanical order?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=1256.26,1258.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And it had been such a powerful experience for her that when we actually came to do it, it was possible for her to completely relive it and do it. I mean she did it almost in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=1259.24,1268.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e It was absolutely identical","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=1268.96,1270.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, same man, everything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=1271.75,1272.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e What problems do you have to do to recondition this situation so to revivify it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=1273.53,1277.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that what I did I just, I mean I got her in an excited state really by, I went over it and how we'd gone to the hospital and what we'd said and do you remember what happened when we got here and we sat here and we were talking and we waited and he came out and he went on and you remember how you felt and how he responded and you know it was a very vivid thing for her and it came out, and she cried.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=1277.4,1303.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I should be talking to it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=1304.97,1305.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No, and we shot it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=1305.68,1306.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, really?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=1307.01,1307.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e She cried, you know? I mean, he showed her this thing and she went.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=1307.76,1311.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I know that her response was even stronger","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=1311.57,1313.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e It was genuine emotion, it wasn't something that she was simulating, and after we shot filming she was terribly upset, and I had to be very careful with her, she was pregnant all the time, and you know, she led off weeping.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=1314.64,1331.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you have any problem getting the doctor to do this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=1333.14,1337.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No, because all he was doing was a straight-forward mechanical bit of business in his own line. I mean, he was just describing to a patient what was on an X-ray plate, so he was quite happy about it. There was another very interesting thing, actually, on that... Because I had a scene, I wanted to do a scene when she was taken to the hospital in a taxi with her husband. And since this could happen at any moment, middle of the night or something, I was probably going to miss it. I shot it about two or three weeks before she was due to die. Camera and went in the car and went off. And they just chatted to the driver who was always taking women to the hospital and he was marvelous. He said how he was always doing this and how a woman had had a baby on the back seat once and how good they were at the hospital because the nurses always came and cleaned the car out and it was all gruesome stories he was telling her, and he did all this, and we, so I shot that. And then when she actually went to the hospital I was in fact, I did have a camera and then I shot it again, for real and the one I mocked up was in-fact better and more believable than real than the actual thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=1339.55,1427.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e What were the qualities that made him more believable?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=1427.44,1429.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e That's of course very hard to say, isn't it? I suppose...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=1433.8,1436.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e It must be something essential about the way it was apprehended that made it more believable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=1439.57,1444.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e It was... I think what it was really was that the...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=1445.05,1450.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think partly it was a different taxi driver who didn't respond very well. You mean the second time. The second time, he didn't response. And there's the interesting thing, you see, because for that taxi driver, I mean, it was, it was a real situation. I mean he was, wasn't it, in the first time, he was responding in a totally natural way. The second time, it was a different taxi driver, and he was, I mean, much more, everyone was rather more worried, I suppose, about the thing. And it came out very flat, there was no tension at all, perhaps that was more real, or maybe it was. But all I can say to you is it didn't look that way, it didn t come out that way. I shot the birth itself, and there were all sorts of incidents in the film which were totally real in a kind of cine-verite fashion. And so these were yardsticks against which simulated material had to be put. So there was a very high standard of realism which had to achieved. But, um...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=1457.04,1536.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e When you, uh, when you try to match realism, I mean the authenticity of a cinema verite approach, what, uh did you look for in staging? What did you try?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=1538.27,1551.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I suppose you look for a certain unevenness. I mean, you don't want to make things too well, too packed and too well composed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=1553.12,1562.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e This would be on the left of the image, but what about the structure of the scene itself?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=1563.06,1567.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that, um... Um... Yeah, I'm just trying to think of an example of how I'd go about it. I think that both... I believe very much that in a documentary you need a very strong underlying form, whatever style you're working in, so that the material sort of fits into the form, you make it fit into the form.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=1569.39,1609.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you say somewhere that style, that everyone should have a style and that a film should be very much as personal a style as a film-maker and that also the documentary somewhere between the personal style and the point of view and, on one hand, and formless.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=1609.15,1625.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well yes, well this is I think always the problem that you go and if you were to make a documentary if you've got If you've too many preconceived ideas about what you want to do. I mean you you you You cut yourself off from a lot of things that happen On the other hand if you just as most people tend to do I think just go out and shoot whatever they see And then try and put it together afterwards You know it becomes as formless as life itself And then there has to be a balance between these two. I think that, therefore, what you should go out with is a sense of style and a sense a form. And then, having got those firmly, really, in your mind, and they are kind of musical, probably, or architectural in shape, you then try and be as open as you can to whatever happens. And this is really what you're doing the whole time when you're shooting, isn't it? You just say something, you see something, and you say, well, that is right for what I'm doing. I want that. That's good. And that's not. And you're constantly making these selections. And one of the differences working with cameramen is that it seems to them that what you're doing is arbitrary, because you can't rationally say why you were doing it. But it is, I mean, all it is really is your particular responses to life that the director has, isn't it? This is what makes the style.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=1626.54,1722.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Then how, when you finally came to the feature film, so to catch as if you can, you must have felt this terrible problem. Having as a habit responding to things other than creating from the word go. Yes. How did you adapt your normal procedure to something which is essentially entirely fiction?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=1723.24,1750.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, in this case, yes, and well, what I often did... Well, you saw that thing there, it snowed, so I did that sequence, I mean, just went out and did that sequence. Instead of a scene, which was to have been a much more literary scene with dialog, which in which, which, I mean a sort of love scene with dialog, which is to try and establish their relationship at that particular point, which I was never happy with this particular scene and when I had this situation, I've been there, there was this snow, I did in that way. You know, just off the cuff, and it tells, I think, tells more than the other scene would have done. I mean, that's an example of it. And I often did this. I often, I mean I often did scenes, rehearsed scenes, and ran them, and found that they didn't work and couldn't get the right side. I'd throw them away and do something else. It was, um, it was very, um... It was very disruptive. I think the way I shot this film was very disruptive. It was only because the producer was very much behind me and supported me that I was able to get away with it because it meant that, I mean, the whole kind of organization behind a feature is such that if you don't do what you were going to do that day, I mean, everything falls to pieces, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=1750.9,1848.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think that, I mean, but essentially this kind of work can only be done in a very disruptive fashion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=1851.76,1857.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I'll tell you what I did in one scene, one sequence, I did a sequence in Smithfield Market, in a meat market, and I did this whole sequence and I didn't like the way it was going at all. And I knew it wouldn't bloody well work when we put it together, I knew that it was bad and it was awkward. So I... Before I completed it, I just stopped shooting it, and I went round with a camera and did a lot of shots, candid shots. With all the actors and people in there, everybody was standing, I'd just let them do whatever they liked, and went round and shot a lot shots, without really knowing quite how I was going to use them. And in fact... 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It was just a dope... 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That is one of the factors, of course, which you have to... But I mean, what is it, you know, I mean it's this whole thing with... I mean with this dub now, that... The whole... I mean I think the film industry and the technicians in this... In England now, it's a very interesting state because they've been broken right down and all the old... Rigid ideas of glossy surface realism have gone. 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You are, you're taking a chance with your time and you haven't got much of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=2096.83,2107.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But with time, tell me, do you shoot, from what you said, it seemed not, but do you often shoot without rehearsals? Shoot rehearsals. 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I mean, you know, it says a line. I mean what I often, I mean I interrupt a lot in the middle of takes and say, instead of cutting and say right, now let's do another take. They start the take off and I say, they start, and I perhaps say, what the fucking hell do you think you're doing? Start again, do it again, go on, straight away. And something like that, you see. And they stop, and they say, go on, go, go! Go on, we're running! And then they go into it again. 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I-I-I'd just say, uh... Or if you wanted it to be very easy, a very kind of casual, you know, I'd say, OK, well let's just run it through, let's run it though, just say how you like, just run And I'll shoot it, you know, and then they'd do it and I'd say, OK, that's it, and they're all starved. That sort of thing, you now. And also getting... 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And then I would say them in another way to her, which would give her... A fresh response. If I thought she was getting a bit flat, I'd say it in another way, and I'd use different lines, which would suddenly make her think about the scene again, you know, and freshly. 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I mean the thing I fear more than anything with filmmaking, because it has a deadening effect, doesn't it, all the equipment and everything, everything has a deadly effect, is of keeping, keeping alive a kind of nervous-tension going. And some, you know, I'd like very often to get, I Get things going in a very kind of crazy way so that everybody is in hysterics and everybody's laughing and falling about as they go into the scene. 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Because Renoir always got people drunk. For instance, Illinois and the man, you know this one with Ingrid Bergman that he did? Yes. That whole 14th of July celebration, everybody was absolutely loaded. 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He said, you have to have this, you see, if you want people to open up, forget it, not worry, it's hard, you know. You have to have this kind of a rapport built up. You, uh... Did you ever find yourself in a situation where you needed this relationship, this thing, and it just wasn't there, you know? Yes, I did. 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They couldn't relate to each other, but they could relate to me, so that was the way I did it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=2532.97,2537.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e This, of course, would have posed also the difficult problem. I mean, he had a problem that you're working with as a non-actor now. He was, was he able to, uh, to speak in, uh... I suppose these were imposed lines that he had. Yes. Yes, they were in the scene. 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And it was something, well I did, I mean I did fail with him really, so I mean, I can't really, and I didn't really, I never learnt really how to get past this thing, so I can really You know, it's not very fruitful to discuss it because I just really didn't succeed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=2600.28,2624.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Them succeed. It is because I think this is, I've run up against so many brick walls, one of the ways I've been playing with is to never give them the text. Yes. 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Yeah, I'm happy with that. And things like that, you now? And I was working with all non-actors, and I suddenly discovered that he had acted as a catalyst, and that the non- actors were helping me. Yes. They were doing me a favor, you, know? Yeah. They suddenly were coming to my aid, and then I was getting much better results than when they were... All we had to do was fulfill a function.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=2815.78,2847.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Mind you, there was a woman, there's a very good actress called Uther Joyce, in this film, and she's trained in theater workshop, General Wood, used to improvisation and all the rest of it. She got very involved in the film, because I was asking a lot of her and she got very involved in it and desperately anxious for it to succeed, and built up a very strong affection and loyalty for me. This in the end became a barrier. In the end, she was so anxious for to be right, to give me what I wanted, that she started to freeze up on the whole thing. And she became less able to do. This kind of thing than other actors who had never had no experience of it, of improvisation. It was the most... And in the end I mean I had to show her, I had to show and she wanted to... And as soon as I showed her, well just give her an indication. This is Gloucester Road, is it? Well it's... 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He, uh, in the audio sequence was just a serious bit. He's a very intelligent man, he'd never done any kind of improvisation before. I mean we made up whole scenes on the spot and he was, he was marvelous, he was, I mean it was a terrific release for him. 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Do you see that a little bit?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=3138.75,3153.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Uh, yeah, they, uh...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=3154.21,3155.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well that was...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=3155.37,3155.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e The chaplinesque girl.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=3156.18,3157.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that's right. Well, there was a little dialog scene originally between them, which had nothing to do with that at all. And I ran this scene and it didn't seem to be very good and I just had this idea to do this and I gave it to him and he did it. And that was just down on the spot at the moment, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=3157.55,3176.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I guess you tied it in with another girl dressed like Chaplin too, you see. Oh yes, that's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=3177.1,3180.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yes, that's right, but that was planned beforehand. That part of it was planned. I've got, I'm just going to meet someone here for a bite to eat, you know, you're welcome to join me, and I've gotta then meet someone at 8 o'clock.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=3180.16,3194.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, fine. That would be great if you don't think I'm intruding.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=3197.79,3200.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm just meeting a friend of mine. After I did this thing, this newcomer, it was really a very strong experience for me because I was deeply involved in it. I don't think it was wholly successful, it certainly wasn't wholly successful for the audience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=3203.569,3226.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e What?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=3227.16,3227.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean there were a lot of people who saw it, I mean it demanded so much of the auditorium, I mean a number of people I showed it to privately, who people, whose opinion I, who were, who thought highly of it, who were very strongly affected and sometimes moved by it, but it had such a, so much it was at such a kind of, well, sort of dull level.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=3229.5,3257.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e In a way. I mean, the level of everyday awareness. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=3258.02,3260.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But I thought I was putting it into a kind of form, which gave it meaning, the meaning that I'd found in it myself. After I did it, I did a lot of thinking about what I would do next, and I had one idea. I haven't done it yet, which I want to do, which was to take... Four young people, I know who they are, I mean I know they are and now as always I think that in this kind of documentary filmmaking that we are we look for kind of archetypes, we look for people also who are in some point of crisis in relation to their environment. I think this is very important.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=3262.93,3310.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Objected to Drew's approach with the crisis that Drew fabricated, in a sense, if it was there or not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=3312.62,3320.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think I look for a crisis, because I think that unless you have a person in some kind of...if he's in crisis state, he is uncertain and he's uncertain enough to reveal himself. If he's not, if he's too secure... You won't get past it and I think that what has to happen is that the making of the film makes a, is a sort of catalyst to the, to the man's problems and I think that in some senses it's rather like, it can be, rather like an analysis, you know, for a classical analysis, not classical analysis, but I mean some kind of analysis of the man. I mean he must find out things about himself as well as you finding out things out about him for it all to work. And I, I had this notion and I just pursued it a little way which was to four young people, two boys and two girls, and I totally isolate them in a house in the country. And cut them off completely from everything. Leave them there and to go there from time to time, over a period of two months actually, and to get there at intervals and film their behavior. And try and make, as the form of the thing, their changing relationships. In other words, what I was doing was to say I will make a totally artificial situation in order to examine these four people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=3320.52,3426.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Then it would be a chemical reaction. In other words, you're creating this fusion, like Ruch did in Pyramid of Man, in a sense.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=3426.99,3434.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yes, because it seems to me you've got to come to terms with the artificiality of the thing and you've got to get your audience to come in terms with it. The overriding problem is the presence of the camera, Very often you can do things so that the audience forgets that there is a camera. And this is, on the whole, what we try and do, don't we? We try and, we try to do this, show that nobody knows there's a camera there. This is why, in Leacock's, particularly in Leakock's big things, he, I mean, he says, doesn't he, that in order for cinema to work, you must have a situation which is where what is happening is more important and stronger than the presence of the camera. Once the presence the camera is the most important thing, then everything changes. But then this, of course, limits you to highly emotional, big events. I mean, if a man, you know, if you find a man whose wife has just committed suicide and you're filming in him, then, I mean he probably is unaware of the camera, because bigger things are happening to him. But this limits you, doesn't it, to the kind of, you now, the red end of the spectrum. And if you, in the end, this becomes... You want to go further than this, and how do you do it? And I think one of the ways I'd like to explore is to look at, is to create artificial situations where the audience can see that the situation's artificial, can understand it, let them in a bit, yeah. And I tried this a bit in this newcomer scene. I mean, I tried, for instance, from time to time of having these two people, this is one of things that people didn't like, having these people actually talk to camera. And then go back into other things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=3434.99,3556.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e That's what they did in mind. Well, it upset them. Yes, I think so. I think so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=3557.85,3562.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it's wrong. It seems to me that that's almost one of the ways of establishing the honesty, the truth of the day, is to start from the beginning premise that the camera is part of that. This is what Ruchta has been trying to do this summer. We established the fact that we're going to record, that we are going to shoot, and that the truth that we see is the truth of these people as they reveal themselves to the camera.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=3562.91,3590.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, yeah, I tried this once. I did a film about an art school, about four art students, Actually, there was really about four art students, and it was, I simply tried to show the effect of their training on the way they looked at the world, you see, in this place. And I started the film off with an empty hall, and there's a camera, you know, in the middle of it, the floor, with a camera unit, and all the students of this college file in and they gradually fill the hole and look at this camera. Then the principal stands up and addresses them, and he says... These people and he said you're going to see these people in this camera unit around the college for the next couple of weeks and I want you to help them if you can and what they're doing is they're making a film they want to make a film about force of view and he, I mean he said I mean I gave him, I don't know what to say really he told them and the audience what the object of the film was and also He said that these guys would be around, and I'd like you to just behave normally, you know, so that the thing was in a way set up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=3590.73,3671.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e I did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=3674.629,3674.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And I think this is what we're... I mean, Goddard has done this, hasn't he, really, more than anybody, I think, by standing back and revealing, reminding you that it's a film.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=3677.379,3685.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e He's become a little more subtle. Did you see Mary going...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=3688.229,3691.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I thought it was a marvelous film, actually.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=3692.89,3694.009"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I hear the fusion, I mean there's the feeling that this film is done in a little less obvious ways than in the earlier one, where you kept winking at the audience, things like this. Yes, yeah. Now we're reminded almost through the formal fashion that we're dealing in film. Yes. And in a sense this is film, but also these are people in real life, and yet they are actors, you know. And so we were...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=3694.75,3718.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But he, I mean, he more than anybody has, I think, found a way of moving from level to level. I mean there are scenes in there where there's marvelous sort of formal compositions of the love scenes with the music. Beautiful and you could just, yes they were, and you can just take them and accept them and then move to something else, to the improvised interviews. I thought that it was, I mean, the interview with the lover, the actor, where the girl was asking these questions, I thought it was fascinating because there was obviously a kind of relationship between them anyway and it was those, you know, when she says leave me out of this, you you suddenly got a sense of being there during the making of film. And you know, there's a...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=3720.89,3773.029"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e There's a marvelous thing. Oh, it's... It's not in that with the actors, it is in the conversation, the dinner conversation with the philosopher. Yes. She looks off and says, it was not that or something like that. Oh, yes, I'm sorry. No, that's not it. Ulldara's cut out all the off replies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=3774.08,3805.229"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=3807.359,3807.359"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, sure. I know that girl. Do you? She used to go with a friend of mine. Interesting girl. She's really not pretty. She's got an awfully proportioned body. Except that it comes off beautifully. And I'd almost say that she wasn't like she was then. So I had the feeling that here she was, playing a role. Yeah, and at the same time revealing ourselves. I mean, we were working on extreme different rubbles. Yeah, the Godard can do...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=3808.18,3845.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e The good art conditioners, conditioners. I'm making a film about, I was particularly interested because I'm making a film about adultery, on the theme of adultery which will take place and Well, which is, I'm making it, it's a feature and it takes the form, it'll probably be called Alarm Call, because it just simply begins with a man making an alarm, you know an alarm call, you phone and ask for a call for the next morning and they ring you and he does that and then the whole film takes place on this night, one night and these two. And it gradually reveals that you gradually come to realize that they're lovers and that this is in fact their last night, they just talk through the night. And they talk about what happened to them and their affair, they remember it and they can't remember it, the things they know differently and they fantasize about what might have been. And they, in connection with this, so that you see different phases of their affair... You see also all their different experiences, sexual experiences they've had in their lives is integrated into this thing. And also, I'm making a documentary about adultery, which will be part of the film. The whole, everything of the film will be around this theme of adultery.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=3844.509,3951.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e So you'll have this action framework, this sort of halfway picture frame work, and then the documentary within it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=3953.049,3961.089"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, that's right. And I think that this demands that you have to move from one phase to another, from one kind of style to another. And it's a tremendous problem to do it successfully. Because everybody's afraid of losing what you've got, which is the dramatic structure. Everybody's afraid. Once you let that go, once you... Let go of the story, of the development, yeah, yeah. Once you let go that, you had it, you lost the audience, you know. But I think you've got to take your courage and lose your audience. I mean, you've gotta be prepared to lose your audience and then find it again and bring them back again. Because film is, I mean all film is a manipulation of the audience isn't it? And this is what film does. I mean you use film to seduce and manipulate an audience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=3961.24,4015.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, finally, one of the interesting things, they're having a tremendous retrospective on Griffith at the Museum of Modern Art in New York. Yes. And I saw Griffith, you know, starting at the very first, starting with the...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=4016.399,4027.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Baby captured from an eagle's nest. Well this is a, I mean, marvelous thing about Griffith is that nobody, in fact, although everyone says he's the father of cinema in fact nobody's ever followed what he did. I mean... This is the point I'm making, is that...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=4028.169,4041.609"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Everyone up until the last ten years talked about Griffith as the father of parallel cutting of the development of the plot. Yeah. When in fact, what Griffith was doing was taking the most simple plots and then creating parentheses, constancy, which were improvised things, you know, on a level where you opened up a thing. Yes. And this is becoming very clear how Griffith is taking the same plot from the very beginning. I mean, he even has some of the same situations, somebody pursuing somebody and so forth. Where the films really become warm is where he opens up and lets this sort of character develop by uh by letting Maymarsh improvise yeah or uh in a tremendous film that looks like it's it added it did that inspired Truffaut to do Jules and Jim that's called Sally of the Sawdust I've never seen it with W.C. Fields and, uh, uh... Colleen Dempster, I think. This whole thing has all of this quick...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=4042.879,4114.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=4115.12,4115.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Uh sort of uh discontinuous cutting you know yes uh the the improvised sort of the the Griffith sort of affectionately watching people behave you know and having fun improvising and the thing is written up by the older critics as being a very awkward Griffith you know where he dashed off and didn't pay attention to his highly developed cutting procedures and things like that. Whereas actually, what he's doing is he's almost announcing in 1925 the new wave.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=4116.13,4151.519"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. Oh, you're absolutely right. I mean, I think this is... I mean this is, you can see this in all his films, the way that he... I mean the way of taking several different stories with the same underlying theme and putting them together. That was... That nobody's ever pursued at all, have they? Nobody's ever... No, I mean, in a way... In some way, all the seeds of cinema lie in Griffith, don't they?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=4152.08,4186.319"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Extraordinary mattering and it's very significant I think and it has to do with our problem that up until recently Griffin has been entirely concerned, I mean people have understood complimented on the level of plot, on the level of this sort of structural effect, whereas lately I think people are beginning to change, or at least our generation has begun to change this interpretation and the things that it retains from Greta. Yes, yes, yes. And it has to do with a whole new mental attitude, which is the mental attitude of letting the spectator be more free to find things, and therefore giving him some. Yeah, yeah","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=4187.67,4229.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e This is the whole thing, this awful thing that people have been conditioned to in film, of being told what to think, told what feel by the music, told by the way things are done, never letting them think or feel for themselves. And, and, and this is, I mean, this is the thing, you need passages which have... The audience can kind of reside, which you can hand over to the audience. I tried to do a, one of the things I wanted to do in television was, you see I've been, I've worked a lot in television and I've always been very concerned about the way the audience responds. It's a thing that bugs me a lot because, you see, people don't, people talk when they're watching television a lot. They don't look all the time. Now what do you do about this? I mean... What do you do? And they use the television as a sort of butt of conversation. Just, you know, he looks funny, doesn't he? You know, what a funny, his ears stick out. Look, you now, that kind of comment. Which in a way is creative. It's not passive. You know they're looking at this thing and they're responding. Not perhaps in the way that the maker intended, but they're doing it. Kind of response. And I said, we should have a half hour a week, which we hand over to the audience. We just provide them with the raw material. So we take them. We photographed some scenes. Have you done that? No, I won't do it, you see. I mean, at the simplest level, you go in the street and photograph faces, you see, and just put them on. No sound track, and you put them all on. And try and give to the audience some of that extraordinary, exquisite pleasure which we all know, we feel when we watch rushes. Shots will go on and on and they're repeated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=4230.93,4343.309"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Because in Russia's you never feel that it's long, you look at a 10 minute reel and you say by god it's long, but you can look 48 hours of Russia's and you never have the feeling, because you're not in the context of it. You look at that and you see every little individual thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=4345.15,4361.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Too often, you know, we shoot a film and then we impose a pace upon it and then that pace kind of kills, takes the life out of the film because it becomes dominant, the pace becomes dominant and we lack the courage to...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=4363.41,4377.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e To hold on to a shot. We have an important thing there because, in a sense, as soon as you have a film and not rushes, you have another thing operative, you know? I used to tell the students at UCLA that we'd go out and shoot stuff and let them shoot stuff, and then I'd say, no, I want you to find out what happens when you put the scissors on it. Yeah, yeah. And as soon they cut it, well, they'd be coming running to me to find what happened because it didn't work anymore. It didn't look real anymore. I couldn't believe it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=4378.049,4402.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that's true. Then they said to me, they said, what's the purpose of this? What can come out of it? And I think that it can make people look at it, it can sharpen people's eye and perception. Because they can, you see, if you take a... You must take away, it's essential, not that it shouldn't have any kind of form at all, that you should take away. Because as soon as they catch on to some kind of recurring pattern or that something is happening or there's some kind theme running through it, then they'll look for that and nothing else. So it's got to be totally arbitrary. I made a film once when I was a film editor. Which actually was transmitted, which was a kind of, it was a time when there was a lot of talk about tachist painting and. I got a piece of music and I marked up the beats on it on the track and I went through trims, you see, and I took it without looking at the film, without looking what was on I just took pieces and just measured them against the beat and cut them together without knowing what they were at all. I see, you're not going to be committed to it. I put this thing together, and because the effect was extraordinary, people used to come and see it, this film sometimes, because they found it, people use to come and see it over and over again, because it had a kind of curious, therapeutic effect, because it was so totally, there was a form of the music, I mean the shots changed in relation to the music. But in relation to each other, the shots had no meaning at all. And so you saw quite sometimes just runouts, or clapperboards, or... Somebody's face or, you know, you saw these things on the screen having no relation to each other and yet seeing them completely new in a sense is rather pop art really because you were suddenly seeing very ordinary, everyday things in a totally new context. And some of the things made you laugh. You saw two things put together and it was hilariously funny. This isn't a safari film, though, I mean... Of course it is. Of course it is, of course it I'm very much concerned about that. I think that is an indication of one of the basic qualities of film. Yes, I do, yes. He has been trying to manipulate this phenomenon. We don't know much about it, do we? No, we don't. It's an associated phenomenon. It's this power that what Andy Warhol is dealing with also, when he's just producing one thing to contemplate, man-eating for 40 minutes. But the effect is authentic. I mean, it's not a piece of shit. Most people will say, yes, it is a piece a shit, but it isn't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=4403.269,4573.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e He is manipulating or attempting to demonstrate a power of thought, that is, the power of speculation that can be induced on the audience, you know? Yes. What happens to the... This whole awareness, this has to do with Gestalt, with psychology, this is the whole new world of perception, you now? And I think it has to with the non-active myself. The things that come involuntarily. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=4574.34,4601.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e In a way, there's another factor that we haven't mentioned, which I think is very important, which is the stimulus that the camera or the tape recorder has. I think very often when you're working with a tape recorder they probably say something to you, they make a statement and they perhaps qualify, and then if you then wait and the thing is still running, there's a tremendous pressure on them to say something else, and they very often say the meaningful thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=4603.28,4631.599"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I've noticed that this was a thing, we were doing a thing on the Goldwater, a go-go, the teenage clubs for Goldwater in California. This is a fantastic, it's a great little film, it's 15 minute film that we did at the University of California when I was there, and we went out and shot these teenage kids, you know, but invariably, I was using student cameras and invariably they would turn off.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=4631.99,4656.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e The camera just...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=4657.2,4658.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e After the official event, and so I had to give them a big, you know, blowing up, saying no, I said, that's the moment when the thing happens, and invariably it was. As soon as they finished singing the Goldwater song, somebody would break out singing 99 Bottles of Beer on the Wall, and the juxtaposition, the natural juxtposition of the two was remarkable, and the thing for the cinema very big calendar is to wait for that beat, you when the things start.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=4660.61,4688.269"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, it sure does.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=4690.07,4690.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e No, wait, I know...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=4691.78,4692.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But I always love, you know, when you're shooting with a hand camera, you know, camera, most cameras last 10 feet, you know, they run the camera out. And they often just walk along with it. You must have seen this shot. It's a shot I love. He holds the camera, and he just runs it off, walking along. You know? And you just see his foot. At the time our sacks were rushing and watched a Dal Rio film and the last ten feet is of the cameraman's foot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=4692.58,4721.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e You'll have a non-actor, or an actor, or whatever you're doing, you have this performance going on, and then you say, all right, cut, and suddenly there's a kind of a... Yeah, and then all of a sudden you don't need character exposition dialog or anything the face come to life And then how do you get that Moment after the cut yeah when when the actor relaxes the person becomes a human being Wait a minute, let me...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401#t=4726.69,4768.16"}]},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141814/file/262401/transcript/79361/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/079/361/original/trint_Coll458_jb0065_Watkins_Donellan_02_p3_transcript.vtt?1746656461","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/079/361/original/trint_Coll458_jb0065_Watkins_Donellan_02_p3_transcript.vtt?1746656461"}]}]}]}