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I'm rich. But, you know, I feel excited. Me? A lot of things, I guess. Yes. And that has to do with his attention. When you talked about attention, you were talking.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=36.69,51.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I would get dead drunk. I hope not too much in the next.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=51.66,54.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But. But have you worked out in your minds at all what was just such a damn different thing going on? Which problem of, well, what are you doing inside? Look. What are you structure to them? I was supposed to give a class and structure at UCLA. I know to say, once I've gotten over some of these ideas of dynamics and things like that, you know, I couldn't talk about plot structure, like why Shakespeare did such and such or who was like this item or even plot. I think plot is an anachronism, you know? 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You've told me that you don't feel that you should look for this kind of thing in a single frame. And yet I had the feeling in Blinken that each frame also didn't suffice in itself, but it was operating much more strongly. It was one thing, maybe like it, each frame was operating much more strongly than the average communicating frame. You know, the line of communication, I'm not know, but.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=102.27,135.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm not looking for. I'm not looking for information in the frame. I'm looking for pointing out some subdued feeling. And the best example is, I think, which was a professional construct, a movie that you see the, the hands of, of a little boy, you know, which was was in the, in the first sequence was all the hands. Yeah. And you pan up and you come right on his ear. 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And when I came up on this year in maybe a fraction of a second, I decided that this was great. So I stayed on this year, you see. And I think this conveys much more of what what the what this have all meant to me. Then when I would have ended on his face, you know. So it's it's not, let's say, the information about here's a little boy trying to fit a piece into a, into a piece of material, into a whole which has a certain shape, you see. Yeah. The and the information is that they have to exercise themselves in recognizing shapes. You see. So you have to try to, To fit a shape into another, into another shape. This is the information. But while I was certainly I wondered in on his idea, and this takes on a quite a different sense, actually. And I think this is maybe an essence for for what you are looking for or what you are hoping to find in in framing your shot is to find something very something unexpected and maybe very, very small to happen within your frame. 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And I found that just while up and up. He turned his face away. But I decided immediately to stay there and find this. You. 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I didn't mean it at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=354.05,371.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm glad that I knew in advance that I would have to. The whole thing with the walking, with the cane. 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A sense of it here, which I have the sense of going the going in of life. And so this could be translated immediately is in someone walking with the cane. Going on. Yeah, but.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=388.88,406.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e What about the ear? What made you say. 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For a long time, I've been worried by the fact that I have some some things which were just there because of the information, the Braille reading. 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I have the responsibility to give, let's say, basic information about what's going on. I haven't got to write to isolate these things that are attractive to me from the whole, from the whole problem, you see. So. There are a couple of shots in this greatest town over here. And, you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=486.97,520.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Know, it was the needle was way up, stuck in the red. 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The core of the shot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=573.43,578.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And you just shot them. You felt nothing sensual.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=580.55,582.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And I didn't feel. No. These particular shots. That is, after you have the little kid with the bird. You come back and the kid with the bird close above the eyes in the interior shots. And then you have one shot of of of boy was a geography map. You have you have a shot of boy at the typewriter. Two shots actually, and you have a shot of the fingers reading. Tom, you have to go in the tub. And these shots, these two shots, the typewriter and the do the reading. I felt it were just set up for for the information and. Yeah. And they worried me a long time. I said, Jesus, this makes it. This brings the film down to ordinary in documentary. But still I felt I couldn't take him out because it's a link in the whole thinking Process of blind kids. You know, first they take objects and then they translate these objects into. Into reading. Into concepts. I felt I needed to do that. But now I see the film back and and they get another meaning. Because also I feel something. Something in the in the gesture of the of the hands and all that which escapes to me an information. So I'm very happy. 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You know, and he what I like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=687.75,690.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It's the one time in the whole film where you give me a will, you do give an ordinary frame, like I had the typewriter. 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It's funny that they use a kind of a utilitarian frame. You know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=703.2,712.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e It's very funny that. I mean, that is true.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=712.38,714.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That was a thought.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=715.83,716.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Incredible. Incredibly perceptive. Perceptive on your behalf. Because really there I had to decide intellectually how to frame it, you see. What is the best way to bring this off? And most of the time, I find you find the frame. I think everybody finds the frame. Every. Everybody who. Works the way you should find it. Finds the brain without. Without the.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=716.4,747.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Intellect. Rely on technique.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=748.53,749.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I had to rely on, on on reasoning. Which is the best? What is the best angle to to to bring this up. But still, when I see it. 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They're unhappily framed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=790.35,798.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And in this, in this film, I had died close up. No, not many, you know, recalling the whole film is shot in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=798.84,806.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Close up practically. While my feeling of it is not a it's not a long shot or a medium front or even a medium close up, but a kind of a blow up or shoot. I plan on watching. My feeling is that. Even large and sometimes going to a long shot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=806.19,823.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Still the film when you see it, it will be interesting maybe to see it on TV someday. Yeah, because it's all made principally in close up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=825.93,834.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But. But what about it? 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Know what? I'm old. I think I always keep the feeling of of what is going on outside.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=873.99,883.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Is he not one of his high? Do you can do that? I've been there all spin and every shot and a consequence of it on the baby. It was very good. He did it to make her prettier, actually. It brought her off. She's a lot less tomboyish than she is. She looks lovely on the screen. But that was part of the contract along with it. But then in the in the. That's a lie too, because in the Christmas party, he shoots ponies. But slightly. Slightly. But then you have dramatic bunny. But. You, as far as I can tell, a number of people. Yeah. And. Yeah. And and your. And there's a kind of a and you seek a middle ground. And you're a vertical relationship. And the vertical position of the camera, which makes it an inefficient affair. No way. Which means neither contact Leslie Knope laundry nor really dead center is there's a there's a kind of a activation of the shot. I can't explain what it is myself. It's something I see when I see it on the screen. That shot has a strength to it. That comes from an ambiguity that is not settled. I see, and something of what we were talking about position is that you're using that no longer with the forms in the frame, but you're using it by the way you place the thing. I'm thinking of the position you shot the little boys spilling water on themselves. Musician. You shot the guy walking in the street. 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Yeah. But there's a difference. For instance, when you. I was bothered when I had the Rollie Flakes, I could never take. Action shots because your, your, your tumor was in the wrong place. Is that your belly. And like, it's much better because it's at the eyelid.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1021.28,1039.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You're something's square on about like that makes. Is it a diamond. 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I never thought of somebody else's shooting as onto the blog. 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I never thought about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1079.92,1083.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Even you didn't know? I thought I noticed immediately I was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1083.52,1086.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Very sorry I took it for granted. Shoot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1087.51,1089.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e As if that's not about a Gerken shooting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1089.61,1090.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but I took it for granted. This is her shooting. It was fine. I feel a big difference between the two shooting in mind. That's true. But I took it for granted. But I think that, generally speaking, I would never want a cameraman to shoot my camera for me. Go to the vlog. I didn't feel this one as opposed to I feel he just shoot in her face. You see into her face.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1091.26,1128.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e He was littler.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1129.06,1129.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, maybe because of that, he just opens up the face. It's very, very nice. But I would never like a cameraman to shoot in in control. It is an effect. I hate that. Because that also it is tied up with all the old photographic shit, you know. And it's. There are a whole world of cinematographic language and cinematographic esthetics. We don't like the Blu ray. And no doubt later on we will we will be able to use it again when it is lost. That meaning? Maybe. But for the time being, the content is really designed with the square. Yeah, or the sign of the false hip. And I think the underground cinema and all that has uses a lot of fancy angles. It's fancy angles and plunging and still and this is, this idea is justified because even I think when physically I see something from below, I adopt the standpoint of, of of someone who is, who is at the same level. When I would, I would when I would be standing below someone generally. I would and I would look at him. I would make already a mental correction which put me about on the same level. No. Yeah. Just to show there's something very artificial about the plunger in that respect.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1130.32,1227.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, I suppose I mean, like Rudolf Arnim said in his book, film is art. It's for photo pleasure shows. Yeah, it makes the person dominate the same complete picture. He codified it in a very naive, very high qualification.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1230.04,1248.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e It was one interesting thing to say. That is if you want to be a person, to be really subjective, never use the subjective camera, but be as objective with him as possible and put the camera in front of his face just at his level. And not lower or higher. And but just look at him very well and it will be subjective as hell. But if you try to look to take his viewpoint all the time, and so you get a distorted view of what he at, at the reality which is surrounding him, you get no subjectivism. It is, of course, very true.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1250.23,1290.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that's true.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1291.32,1292.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e This is, he explained, how it comes that you identify to very high point. We with, for instance, Jean-Pierre Leo got some call.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1294.93,1307.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah. Because you write with it right on the low.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1309.66,1311.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And you look at him very well. And I think the attention paid by the director provokes an attention from the spectator to this little guy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1319.8,1329.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I wonder if this whole idea in the frame and dynamism and thinking can be applied to the dynamism. And the structure of attention. Temporal structure. So what I want to talk about now is the way you constructed then can embed it, you know. But first I want to take a leak for me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1330.93,1358.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Or do you feel like. Do you feel me for them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1359.72,1362.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Come on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1366.98,1369.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e We got a fun ski. Make fun of. Mr. Sennheiser himself. Yeah. Hello, Mr.. Sennheiser.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1370.43,1383.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, we want to talk about was the structure in the film in the temple? Of temple. God is good. And you haven't got any more?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1383.69,1397.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No. You know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1398.0,1399.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e They're terrified.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1399.71,1399.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That was delicious.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1402.26,1402.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e You want to get away.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1405.2,1406.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you know, I have a feeling there's something in the progression of Lincoln and the bad people to me. That has to do with his dynamic, special relationship. You know? No. Like what? Like in this picture here. There are things that make the thing go forward. You know, this is the thing. I've been drawing credit. That's what I was looking for on the march. I think I found to a certain degree that there are special relationships, you know, some relationships or rhythm or space. Really?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1411.65,1450.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e You should do that. But, yeah, I'm like your uncle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1451.43,1454.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, then you got another. Really isn't one or another. It's something to do with time, you know? That actually creates tensions, that makes the thing go forward and makes you watch it. You know, that isn't just the plot that makes it go forward. 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The non anecdotal drama, you know, or at least the non then the non plot twist up till now. And then trying to get even a plot in an anecdote has been confused. I don't think we should.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1480.62,1500.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, I think of my films. As of. Not of a, not a plot, but of a bunch of separate anecdotes going on and tied together in a In a general idea. Yeah. So let's say let's say in an indie games, I had the general idea of the, the perception, perception of reality, actually the general feeling in general.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1501.77,1538.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Of how they perceive, you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1539.18,1540.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Know, how we perceive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1540.52,1541.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e We perceive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1542.05,1542.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And the possibility to, to take to, to take a distance towards our perception of reality. And when you take out our perception of reality is a very subjective thing. No, it doesn't imply that this is reality. So. So I just take a couple of steps back from our perception of reality, and you find that reality, you know, is a thing which escapes us. And we tried to to grab it, but it escapes us all the time. And and this I tried to to make sense sensible by. By showing the blind the perception of reality of the blind. Which goes in in a different direction.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1543.4,1599.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e How did you try to make sense when this was something, a problem you posed for yourself? Yeah. And so how did you go about it? And you were watch. What were you saying to yourself when you watch what went on? Had you already posed this problem to make sense of all the perception of the blind? Because in fact, this is the the whole thing starts from one kind of perception tactile. It's all tactile perception.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1601.87,1628.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e So what I knew intellectually is this kind of reverse thing. They have, you see, reversed them. Yeah. Now I explain you. We have. I told you about this. We have we the seeing world have have have general images. General. Yeah. Overall images of things. And we detailed later on as we develop. Perception. And as we refine our perception we are able to locate and identify details in those overall images that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1630.04,1672.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm not sure that I know what exactly you mean by an overall image, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1673.18,1676.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I know when I look out, when I look out of the window, I see an overall image, and afterwards my attention is drawn towards the detail in this image. And and in the same way develops my whole thinking process. The the details. The relationships between things are always placed. Relationships between things. Between detail. Between objects. Between phenomena. Are always placed in the immediately or before they manifest themselves in an overall image, in general or in a general context. So the blind, the blind born people have no general image, no general visual world. Yeah. They have only isolated, isolated phenomena to deal with. And so starting from those isolated phenomena, they have to construct this whole general image. So it is entirely reversed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1676.51,1744.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And this was actually the way you built your film.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1745.57,1747.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And this was I, the way I build my film, because I started the way to show how how they identify small objects and slowly are able to to combine those objects into abstract patterns. You see a very intricate, intricate. Complete concrete patterns like like radio, which are very, very complicated. Or which is also very abstract because the, the, the shape of it doesn't indicate to the, to the to the field, to the to the field, to touch, to the touch. It doesn't the shape doesn't indicate the function of its uses. So it's highly abstract to the touch. I think the real no. And just the, the second phase was how to. Not to identify things to the touch, but to the to the movement. So in space to identify your own body in a spatial relationship. And the third which is that the walking and running. So how to conquer space around you. And the third thing. And then you had the short intermezzo, which was the music bit. And the third movement was how to. How to, to conquer the world, which is at, at one space with and and signs and abstract information. See, this was the way I thought up the field. I got a the guys were on the beat. The the kids are walking in in space, which poses all kinds of obstacles, problems in the in the form of obstacles. And at the same time, Walking through a world which has all kinds of information to give them, which they miss. And this was the hopeless side of the sea. Well, sort of the temporal, but it was also at the same time to symbolize our our own lack of communication. It was to show that these signs we have put up there only exist by the. Grace by the grace of of an agreement. It was a very arbitrary agreement we have made. Yeah. I don't know what question I'm answering anymore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1748.06,1915.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e We were talking about how you define the continuity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1917.34,1919.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But this was the film which was lying behind the images. See the the abstract idea which was giving shape to the film.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1921.84,1929.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e So you've decided to make a progression. But what was it in this progression that indicated to you that this would make a satisfying structure, rather than an informational one, that they deal with small things and they deal with larger things, and they deal with the general thing. Because surely in the realm, in and in the film itself, this information contributes a great deal. We'll see. And I agree, I mean, one of the things the film did for me was to give me a tremendous feeling of how much the world is made up of particular sensations that go to make a general pain. That I don't that I realized that this almost an inductive reasoning rather than deductive. But how? What makes it hang together as a film?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1934.11,1986.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Is it, I think, to feel information. Oh, no. At least the feeling of itinerary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1988.65,1992.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e What do you mean when you say that? When you going somewhere?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=1995.77,1999.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, of going through. Walking through. What is it? 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No, no, they don't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2018.61,2023.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Even the kind of information. No, no. Kind of an image of courage.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2023.32,2026.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm. This is an elusive film to listen to in Biffy or in Beppu.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2029.32,2033.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Ever take much to gain of that energy? Which goes on and on and on. 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Did I speak badly English also?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2068.92,2080.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No you're not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2080.92,2081.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Feeling of spending or in energy. Oh, man. Would you? Which comes out of a kind of a desperate courage. She. He spends his energy on his surroundings. And is he? Maybe I join your theme of hope. But it's not conscious hope. It's is a kind of animal. That his beauty is in the. It is courage and with which he goes on. And still nothing is much for him. You see, nothing motivates his actions. Nothing, nothing. It gives it a logical justification. And still he walks on because otherwise he would be defeated. And I think this, you know, is a basic tension also in the. Blinken and the Pepe film.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2083.5,2141.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Maybe also how do you think you pose that basic tension at the beginning. 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And then first, I think the process as it comes to me now in this moment is you take your, your subject, your your put your persona, and you isolate him first and you show that he has really he's caught like the blind kids in the, in the circles. And then the whole thing starts moving and it keeps moving on and moving on and moving on. And you feel the, the effort to get to get away from this composition. Maybe. Maybe something like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2182.05,2226.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Wolf Koenig, who did Lonely Boy Tommy, says that he felt that every film that worked reenacted the myth of. This is the man who taught man's struggle to. Fight and become something in life and then to fail. It was that it was man's struggle with his own death.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2231.6,2259.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And I talk to you about this. I think you I think I know what it's of. Yeah. So of course, he he works. He he works against death.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2260.58,2270.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And so I sense everything he does if he looks for some provision. Not a sticking up that looks for some fruition. And then he's defeated automatically by the. And he felt that this structure somehow was the structure of how the film was a world of event, although drama. There was some sort of underline I got that I may be wrong, but this is part of the underlying theme. 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No, but you're much of the place around.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2356.37,2378.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no, because for at first the environment was very, very pleasant in general. And and second. In the photo you have, you have to to stress other elements than in the film.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2379.1,2396.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2397.98,2397.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, in the film. The environment can can be just a couple people who pop into the frame or something, which happens in the photo. It has to be there. Oh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2398.54,2412.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm pretty.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2412.47,2412.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Everyone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2413.97,2413.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2415.0,2415.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm going to take that out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2416.07,2416.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No one. On the contrary. One.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2416.91,2418.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you turn it in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2420.12,2420.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No no, no. It's always both. But the.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2421.21,2425.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Let me go, let me go!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2425.97,2426.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Didn't work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2427.36,2427.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Camera yet?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2428.34,2428.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No no, no. Did you want to take it? I was about to say no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2430.59,2433.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e In in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2434.16,2434.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e In. But I'm afraid I've done something wrong.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2435.63,2438.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No way. There's nothing. Okay. Yeah. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2438.81,2445.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Right. Blah blah. There we go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2447.33,2453.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. I will say it was the best news. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2454.49,2458.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Nothing else to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2459.93,2461.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Do. Oh, now the little guy. Yeah. That's wonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2462.18,2466.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e That's great. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think it could be working on one of those books. You shouldn't. 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More than the role of the film maker.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2498.39,2506.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Why am I treading more of the world of critical? Because we should be able to express them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2507.9,2513.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e The guy in the Who is he? Whose job it is to study the means and the ways of the filmmaker? Yeah, but the critic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2514.17,2523.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Always does it without ever trusting the filmmaker now. Well, you know, you know yourself. The critic always forgets that. No, here I go. What do you say? The critic forgets that. He forgets his job, and he's got to do it because he's not cool. 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Do their jobs. First, they forget about it. 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You don't?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2568.72,2571.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh. Shit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2575.34,2580.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. 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Like what you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2602.12,2607.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Told about golf, Conor?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2608.09,2608.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah. A little wolf clinic didn't want to be interviewed. I didn't want to be recorded. No. You remember everything you said. 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It was just joy for.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2626.78,2630.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Corral and he knew it. He knew there was going to be a joy for every day. I'm not going to lie about it, you know. But you. Shouldn't fish. Yeah. But. If it's the V8, you know. Right. Yeah, I feel like V8. Yeah. You felt it. When you show it back, you know, it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2632.81,2659.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e It looked like an old fashioned film.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2659.9,2661.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Not about so much as being a the film was. A little with a kind of a I know study gimmick, you know? Yeah. That was tremendous. Everything down to music, guitar, music and the soundtrack. I mean, I just I just find you. Know that in this film of all consequence were. The first Canadian films in a way. You know, the first ones that really hit home the documentary. 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No. I had a private project and.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2710.0,2715.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Nothing to do. And this film got me. A confirmed. I don't know my interest in photos, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2716.72,2729.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e So those are for you. When did I know? I don't know. 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Who is this calling? Local news.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2744.02,2749.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e This guy. I'm going to give up for you right now. Blah blah blah. Yeah. You met him. You with him? Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2749.65,2758.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e So long. Who are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2759.85,2760.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e You.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=2761.89,2761.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e This much week? But he's still in the field, man. Yeah, because you don't hear about it. 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Oh, really? That's too bad. It's a beautiful. The present was beautiful. 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Rally trees. I got this lady to laugh and I had to clown around to get in her lap. I couldn't get her stopped. Yeah, and it was almost too much. But I was able to, you know, fish in there and get all the laughter. 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I like to stupid people there. Me? Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=3085.22,3095.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No, not particularly in Amsterdam. Collins. You know. Absolutely. 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I go in the interview with you. Oh, yes you do, Michael. So you doing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=3118.28,3123.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e It to. Me?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=3126.92,3131.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Good. Yeah. That's nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=3132.38,3133.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Good on you, James.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=3133.76,3134.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Good on you. 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Everything you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=3144.08,3149.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I hope you'll be the.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=3149.66,3150.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Best to come.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=3151.01,3151.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Here you. So you like Amsterdam? Yeah, I want to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=3155.01,3162.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Do it on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=3165.28,3165.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=3165.85,3165.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e You. 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As, for instance, Paris has many different centers. Yeah, it's a different, you know, but I think even with three inches in Paris, when you leave, you can in practice you have also limited living space because you have descend on where you were, maybe in the center where you live. And at the time when I was in Paris, the center was said to be in the center of the city. So it is it was as limited. As the center of the city here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=3265.3,3313.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e So, really, do you feel there's nothing outside? I remember, I remember us being. Outside a few streets. You. Know. 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And then near station, you have the whole hall or quarter and just a quarter of the new market, and that's about it. I think. But then. When you here long. You find a lot of places you wouldn't even think of the city where there's all kinds of people. 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Justin. Those eyes in the center. But you see, the tourists come. Come immediately. Put it in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=3517.17,3529.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Let me. You said there's nothing more than what was playing. 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When when when when you get to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390#t=3556.86,3558.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262390/transcript/76729/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Know the city. 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But you can find the many quiet places where all of a sudden, somewhere there is something going. There. Is, for instance, a guy like, hey, who knows Amsterdam very well. He knows a lot of places, I don't know. It's very funny. First, you have the impression when you walk along the skin of someone who has known many cities and many international city, you say, okay, I've seen it in two days. 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The Sunday at the Isle of the Grand Jatt by Frans Weiss and Atamara by Pindla Parra. About the first film, enough has been written before today. Unfortunately, it is still a solitary high spot which gave the jury the word undutch in the pen. And, badly enough, they were right, is this clear? Also a film with an altogether personal feeling and a film liberated of all filmic solemnness was the La Paira's film. An abundant, butterfly-ish and charming ode to friendship and pleasure with qualities that made up largely for the defaults. A film to be loved, but it stays a pity that one made that policy made was made with it which sent such a first film prematurely to come. So Atamara was buried under the problems of Dutch filming. Under all kinds of pedagogical restrictions, in short, under extra-artistic objections. But the way it was received was also... Lessened by people who spoke of the Goddard imitation, self-indulgence, no, self...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=10.39,152.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Like self-satisfaction? Self-suffisance?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=156.93,159.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No, self-adoration and theft of ideas from other films under which the Beatles film.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=160.6,170.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Among which the beagle fell.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=171.18,172.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Among which to be Beetlefilm. Still, for me it stays a film that is a new mile pole, a milestone in the changing climate in the Dutch film. In the meantime, the old traditions that have it that a Dutch filmer is more purely a cameraman than a witnessing artist still stand up. This was proved by the perfect assigned pieces of work, Interludium Electronium by Hattem Hoving, which we saw. And Flog der Anleine is another film, both very much worthwhile as models of film craftsmanship, both not showing any direction for eventual authorship in film. And with beautifully realized assignment films about electronics and gas pipes alone, we cannot be happy anymore. OK. The way... Oh yeah. When we look over the battlefield of the Dutch film, from Arnhem, we can recapitulate the situation as a transition situation. The way back to old glory has been shut off. The way to how we have to do it is definitely not yet very wide. Youthful brutality and paternalistic attitudes have been grouped around the Dutch film problem together with material professional interests. Even the state-priced jury Couldn't avoid paternalistic, antithetic objections. What was that? Antithetic. Thesis. Yeah. Antithatic. Antithetric. 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This was about Weisse. So using style figures of the new filming without stress but always motivated, in a motivated way. Johan van de Keuken was praised for his film Blind Kind, for what he had left out, for the things, for the dangerous and bad things he had to left out. So they reproached me, they only said, give me the prize for what I left out and not for what I did. Ehh... Good point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=335.94,403.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Is that what they put in their notice?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=403.65,405.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e They put one point that I could have made a whole mess out of this subject, but that I had such good taste, so that I didn't screw up the... Which is a very easy point, you see. Of course, you could have screwed up... You can make something horrible about blindness and about these subjects, but it's not the only merit that I didn't make something horrible. But still, I think this is a part of the whole cliché thinking. Out of such terms, we feel... We feel a prudency and a tendency to slow down, which has also taken over the people who give the subsidies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=406.19,461.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e What does this mean? Caution? Prudence? He's noticing that people are being prudent and cautious, is that it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=464.16,473.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e In the in the appreciations and this is also happening to the government who gives the subsidies however largely the spigot of money seems to be open at this moment the impasse at this point is hard to break through stimulation of film talent is an art in itself that has seldom been practiced in Holland. Among the counter-actors of the filmmakers is much incapacity, uncertainty, lack of film erudition and artistic insight. So they mean the government by this, I guess. There isn't, however, an alternative. The principle of subsidy forces the giver of subsidies to a passivity that has to limit itself to yes or no. How could it be otherwise? Before one notices it oneself... One would see high functionaries laboriously busy in changing scenarios, in grouping talents, in searching for markets and other activities that don't belong to the government, but by capable film publishers, and they lack in our country. This is the end of the article. Steldum has the largest part of the Dutch film critics have been so enthusiastic about the film from our own country. The spectator undergoes breathlessly and moved the violence and the penetrating power of this warm-blooded evocation of pieces of folk life. That put other categories of Dutchmen all of a sudden out as pale middle class people. That seemed to degrade other categories as pale, middle class, people. Weyman's film is sensational in the original sense of the world, centrally close to reality, made loose of an intellectual or esthetic elite. Disconnected from an intellectual, or esthetic, elite. Here we find no psychological... ...Psychological treatment or social message. Only... What is going on?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=474.91,672.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, everybody were eager for this video.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=672.84,674.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e An eager and gultig, like you want to eat, how do you call that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=674.61,679.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e It's not avarice, but... Well, hungry, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=684.48,691.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Hungry and everest observation of man that has its roots in reality. Voracious, you see all those sensual superlatives. Voracious and everes observation of men who has his roots in reality and still reaches to the other. Guirisson, how do you call that? Cure. Cure. Religious. Knowledge of holiness, a good bargain at an auction, or a good buck in the hand. A good buck for the musician. Good buck. Good Buck!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=691.33,740.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Button ahead. We'll be right back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=741.15,749.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it's the reverse of the same.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=750.02,751.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Is that the same rider as both the others?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=755.06,756.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No, this is a rubric which is called Presentation. Next week they will take my film, Beppi and Blintkin. They will give a couple of pictures, two-thirds of a page, and they write a little introduction, a characterization of the film. And they do this with every more or less important Dutch film which comes out. Or interesting films. So in principle it's always four, you see this, so it's no criticism, but still I think the feeling of the text is significant. The way the guy takes over the publicity phrases for Hermann Huss himself. This is all Freiman talk, typical Freiman Talk. Does that really mean no esthetic? No esthetic, no intellectualism, no political engagement, no human engagement, just guts, you see? What guts? Guts.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=757.79,819.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=819.97,819.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know. God, this is vitality.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=824.04,825.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e That's what Ryan thinks he's got.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=828.27,829.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And this is the whole image of which Karel Apple, for instance, is the holy god. Feynman did a film about Apple, and it was taken only as a beast, you know, we showed Apple, kind of superhuman force. God, I'm taking this. His canvas, you know, he's like a sexual act, he wanted to show it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=830.84,860.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Driving sounds a little timid for that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=864.03,865.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Hehehehe","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=865.99,865.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Let's see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=867.4,867.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e The two extremes between which the whole thing is playing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=874.54,879.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e There wasn't between one animal something another esthetic, but I noticed that the other one pretended to be intellectual in a sense of the They talk about the other as sunny and butterfly-like","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=882.63,892.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Mm-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=893.51,893.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 7:\u003c/strong\u003e Mmm. Do you want some more of that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=897.319,898.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I think as a matter of fact this whole conversation, although this whole conversation we have, you get a very very depressing image of what is going on here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=900.18,910.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, what would you say, finally, as you see it now that we've talked about it? I want to see if you get the feeling that I have.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=912.35,919.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e I have the feeling, and I have had this feeling for a long time, that I am really no part of what is happening here. That's all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=920.17,930.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Of this man, of this woman.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=931.13,932.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e No, of what is happening here in general in films.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=932.73,934.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Was that a pressure?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=937.25,937.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e It did, before.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=939.04,940.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Because I couldn't make out on my own, you see, but now that I have good possibilities for myself to work and to get people interested in what I'm doing, to get more or less my own little public. What is that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=942.06,966.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e It's a meat salad.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=966.9,969.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e What does that mean?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=970.719,971.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Thanks for watching!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=971.34,971.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Can I have some?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=973.03,973.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=973.62,974.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't want any cucumbers, okay? The rest won't work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=977.53,980.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 8:\u003c/strong\u003e You don't get anything!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=980.97,981.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, except for you, there are a lot of kisses and love, and so...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=982.85,987.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e You don't feel you don't","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=988.64,989.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Before I fell city","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=991.4,992.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e ago yeah when I had largely the same ideas I have now yeah you know this","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=995.35,1002.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, this is developed out of Star Trek, by the way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=1003.32,1004.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e How does the powder be, how does your... Fresh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=1006.61,1008.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Thing out of your friends out of you I think I have a lot taken a lot of ideas from you and book and from Petro Raggi more for me but a way of thinking from the French","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=1009.87,1021.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e in general. And it's terribly good, for instance, to go to Paris every half year, or every year and talk with some guys over there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=1021.96,1033.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e It's funny that these people think that they're the French ones.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=1034.27,1036.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And I don't think any Frenchman would go for what's happening here. But a couple of years ago, when I was defending the same kind of attitude and ideas, I didn't have yet the work which had sufficient power to give me my own position. Still I think at that time a film like Lucifer was, in principle, it was on the good road, you see. Yeah. But it wasn't powerful enough by itself, it needs other films with it to show what it's about, what the ideas are. So then I was very much in trouble, you know, because I couldn't bring off my own pretensions. And so it was a kind of a lonely situation, but now the work stands more or less for its own in this context. 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This movement, this whole sheath movement. I don't know, I think it's uh, I give it three or four years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=1113.899,1120.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And then...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=1122.44,1122.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e I think in-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=1124.11,1124.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Generally speaking, it's maybe not that bad, but it must be some kind of transition phase. So I think in three or four years we will probably have some guys with more mature ideas. But still what depresses me very, very much is that everybody who opens his mouth and tells any old stuff still is able to be accepted without making any effort, because sometimes it's depressing. It's not a very pure feeling.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=1125.68,1161.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e All you have to do is say it loud enough.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=1163.26,1164.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Say it loud enough, and especially those guys who have the most superficial ideas seem to make out best, because people understand them, this shit Freyman is telling. Also, on the other hand, we should see that Freymann is telling this kind of story, has been telling it now for 15 years, so it's about time he gets some success with it. Like the unintellectual beast, this whole image he's been selling that for. More than an intellectual beast, for more than 10 years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=1165.15,1198.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Kidding","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=1199.71,1199.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm going to have to go back to my family. I'm not going to stay here anymore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=1204.3,1207.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 8:\u003c/strong\u003e You don't have to hear me anyway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=1209.46,1210.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you can't let them down. If you want me to be slender, don't bring any good stuff on the table.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=1211.61,1219.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Or a slanderer? Slender. Wonder Someone who says bad things about me Slender is thin. Slenderer is someone who says awful things about people, and slender is something that you can sue. With the interview, so I thought I understood slander very well, so that's why I'm reading it. I've been saying bad things about it. But they've developed this whole shoot thing from 100 back school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=1222.96,1292.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think it's a desire to, you know, la joie de filmer. Before we had some... It's also a reaction. We had some old shitheads, you know, who were still going for this kind of nostalgia of the Eurosevens era and, you know, the motivation. Everything had to be motivated. It was very sad. It's a sad feeling about film, if it isn't motivated by it. Psychology it is nothing and the psychology was the old bit of a contre-cloche means that the guy is overwhelming and that it is a subjective shot of someone who is afraid you know, Rudolf Arentner yeah, all that shit and so it became kind of a reaction to put something more more happy against it, you see. So if you want to see it that way, I agree, that it's not so bad, but as a result and as a crisis of judgment, it is rather terrible, I think, on behalf of the critics, the old critics. You see, these younger guys have started to attack these old critics, you know. They attacked the critics? Yeah, they said they were just a bunch of shit, they were depressing. They were trying to keep out everything new. And so the other critics now are very much for the new thing, which is happy and gay and bright. 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I think they feel that I'm more articulate, so they appreciate me, but on the other hand I'm not so good an example for what they want, as these other guys, because they are very easy to localize, it's very easy to make out what they are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=1409.17,1456.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e There's something to pin a tag on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=1455.96,1457.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Duck, yeah, and this is of course what Freyman is also doing to a terrible extent His whole vitality bit He's trying to give himself a... The gutty beast, yeah He's all going for publicity He exploits it, he says that He says that he exploits He says it to every friend He uses it He thinks it's irresponsible not to use it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=1458.79,1485.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Not to use publicity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=1485.98,1486.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Not to build an image and he will do anything for it you know that's what he He thinks I'm a Marxist monkey when I don't want to. You think you're a Marxism monkey when you don't use it? Yeah, anyway, my whole way of reasoning is that of a Marxists monkey. You mean dialectic? Dialectic, but also, you know, the old bit of social responsibility and all this. And he says that I... He said a couple of years ago we had a big quarrel. Which is not for publication I think, but he said that I am a moral critic, that I'm for, finally I'm for the old moral criticism, morality criticism. 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Is that it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=1541.12,1545.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, which is not true, but I still think ideas are the... Can be done without ideas, without an attitude, a human attitude, and they think it can. Or at least Feynman has a human attitude, which is fuck'em all, you know, as long as I live and as long as people get a kick out of reality, everything is okay. It's a kind of anarchism, but I think the background of it is pretty bourgeois. 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His life is meaningless.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=1591.19,1610.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but they say, you know, life is full of meaning and what is the meaning of life is the kick you get out of it. Life exists for life's sake, and this is enough. You see, this kind of oval philosophy. 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Was it said someplace?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=1633.16,1636.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No, but he tried to make the point by this whole noisy set-up, you know, this... I mean, to give you incidental kicks along the way. To give you physical emotions, you see. Joe, physical emotion on people. So he said, his point is, it doesn't matter what the preacher is preaching, as long as his audience gets a kick out of it. And evidently they do get a kick outta it, so that proves his point. 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I don't hear it though, because what if his audience doesn't get a kick?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=1676.86,1681.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No, he supposes that his audience will get a kick out of us, because it's so powerful. But I think he makes one mistake, that by being noisy and vulgar, he will be powerful. Which is not true, because that just is deafening.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=1682.47,1699.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Actually, what he's doing is subscribing to a kind of Martin Luther County philosophy of filmmaking.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=1700.37,1703.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But then Mondokane looks for the kick in the evil, which would be a part of the same moral criticism. Mondokan, Giacopetti searches his subjects by means of moral judgements. But he has a moral judgements. He hates he hates what what he shows us. He condemned. He loves to hate Yeah, I love to hate it. He kept the kick out of condemning condemning what he showed us and And this whole thing has My opinion very much of the Roman Catholic background because by bigotry Which was shown to its worst extent in thing about the softening babies the softer known babies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=1704.96,1758.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e In the pig.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=1759.58,1759.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No, the kids. The babies who were deformed because the mothers took softening.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=1760.46,1766.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=1767.86,1768.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And he had a whole, he had the film All the Women of the World, Tutte le Donna del Nel Mondo. And of course the woman is mother, this was the whole Roman Catholic image which was behind it and so the film, but you see in the film of course you see a lot of horrors. And a lot of screwing, and all kinds of sex, you see. But it ends all up that this, of course, is nothing compared to the mother. And before his final sequence, you get a visit of the family, of the woman who killed her thalamide kid in Belgium with telephoto lenses. They shot her when she was going to the football game, when she wasn't watching the game. And it's at five months, or one year, or two months after this murder, she is already watching the football games, you see. And then they cut to parents who kept their deformed kids, so you get all kinds of shots of mothers with those freaks. And then these mothers say, well he's so lovely and by means of this iron, piece of iron and that other piece of Iron he will be able to move along quite okay, you know. And so it is shown, you now, just sugary happiness around this freak. And so there are also other mothers. And then to get a shot of the holy virgin. And a freak is stuck into the frame in front of the Holy Virgin, mother, and it goes along about mother, mother and it cuts to Lourdes where you see mothers with hundreds of other freaks and you cut back all the time to the Holy virgin, you know, and on that ends the film. You see, so this is a whole kind of fantastic, dislocated morality which, fantastic, I is absolutely... I think I hardly ever saw something so disgusting in my life. It's really... But Freyman is still... Frey-man thinks... So... But in any way... Giacopetti has a judgment which is very, very strong and incredibly fucked up. But still it's a judgment or at least he thinks it's a judgment. 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I wasn't getting any sleep.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=1951.42,1953.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No, you can, but the way it's done of course is by looking for funny angles, funny lines, funny happenings and strong, so called strong images, like getting close up into this. Destroyed face of this musician.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=1955.11,1977.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but that doesn't apply to moral... That doesn' t apply to hate, it doesn't...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=1978.37,1982.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e It is a choice, but he thinks it is not a choice. He thinks it's just strong and vital and living. But, I mean, why the film fell apart was because there was no judgment other than a look for strong themes in one sense or another. In the sense of the funny or in the sense of the brutal. And he had some funny lines, of course. And the only moment when the brutality took on the quality of its own was with the horses. When we ourselves put in a judgment, I think. Because we feel some kind of pity for those horses.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=1982.89,2022.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e But there, the whole thing may have actually been a social comment on the society and everything. We go to the museum?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2025.69,2037.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I've been in London, I was in London just last week, well I just got here a week ago.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2055.31,2062.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e And interviewing some people. It was kind of a...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2066.95,2070.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It was kind of a new, new group in London, a new movement. 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Who think that Tony Richardson is a mess, who think that Schlesinger has nothing more to offer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2081.73,2091.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Lindsay Anderson, you know, is the mask. 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I don't have it transcribed yet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2108.72,2112.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 8:\u003c/strong\u003e And what can I say?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2117.919,2119.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Peter Watkins, who did Collatin, which was just shown the night before last on TV, on the P.R.O.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2119.16,2125.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e What's the name of this thing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2126.1,2126.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Culloden. C-u-l-l...o-e? Cullodon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2127.04,2132.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What is it, man? It was a battle","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2133.9,2136.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It's the name of a Bible, or the name a place between the Scottish and the English border which was fought over about two hundred years ago. And he re-staged it in newsreel style. He gave it, and I saw it, has a tremendous feeling of authenticity and brutality about it. It was made for television? For television, yeah. 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I'm coming every time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2164.35,2172.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And I'm going to end with all the rest, so feel free to leave","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2174.509,2176.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e He's a, he is one of these realists, he's doing a thing now on the atom bomb. 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And this guy played in Sid Fury. Fury, yeah, I saw his latest thing. The Ipkris file, which doesn't come off. I don't dislike it. But it doesn't come off, you know? It's sort of a James Bond, anti-James Bond, you're not...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2195.67,2226.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e Have you seen the previous films by Puri? He looks like an interesting guy. He makes interesting films. He makes everything. He has made Wonderful Life with Cliff Richard. He has a fantastic, well fantastic, a very good war tale about a young pilot who flies and has an affair with a young girl. What was the name of that? You're One Night. You're On One Night? He made the letter boys, which I haven't seen yet. But they will show it within two months, you know. And... We made note of the budget. Yeah, I missed it too. I haven't seen it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2226.2,2266.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But this was, you know, it's one of these interesting films, it has a positively delirious end to it, to the oppressed part. I don't know if you've seen it, I shouldn't tell you, but the end is fantastic. I mean, it is full of visual ideas, you now, it almost obviously visual. Is this a film of color? It's a film, yeah, and very well shot. It's just too heavily, for my money, too heavily. Worked out from the point of view of Hitchcockian angles and things like that, you know, or almost Willsian angles. And to the point where the thing doesn't really make it, you know. The angles themselves are becoming the start.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2266.9,2304.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e Wooo, look at me! So what's the scene anyway? They've got only the cluster. I think they've got the... Well, you must try to see some films by a secure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2307.65,2317.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I haven't seen anything else by him. I think he's pretty interesting. 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Did you see A-Snap? And the other one. And the one from the curfew.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2336.12,2342.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, well this is a thing in England they've got. I had a very hard time, I spent a long time with the Sight and Sound group there, and I was there for a month, you know. But it's a very funny situation in England. Probably Watkins and Kevin, the guys that are... When you break through, just by this, I mean, they have an untenable position. They believe that reality, you know, the effect of reality is the only thing that one should shoot for in films. 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Uh, hey, he's, he was young, very young, you know, but very informed. And he's got a reputation in Britain of being the new Paul Rother, uh, as far as information is concerned, you know, and he hates Paul Rothers himself. But, uh you know the man who's fulfilling the position of historian, you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2425.41,2452.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e But what films did he make before he made it happen? What did he do before that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2452.66,2459.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e He worked with the BFI, the British Film Institute, as a kind of historian, or a cataloger.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2459.9,2466.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e We always specialize in some depth solos.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2468.03,2471.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That's how we kind of got into the whole thing, was in fact, most almost the whole British cinema has come through the BFI, you know, Schlesinger wasn't, but uh, Kyle Wright was at the BFI for a long time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2473.89,2485.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e You know one man named Anthony Simmons?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2488.45,2490.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 8:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I don't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2491.05,2491.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e Because we just saw a film and it was also at 4 in the morning.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2492.26,2497.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know what I missed or how was it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2499.47,2502.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I liked it. There were several people that liked it and there were several that disliked it. How normal. It was something about four or six people doing different things between four and six in the morning.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2503.27,2523.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2526.51,2526.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm not sure if it's in my picture.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2529.089,2530.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e The general impression is that things are peaceful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2533.24,2537.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e You will take a cigarette after this conference.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2538.22,2539.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Alright, I will have to go. Just to prove to you I...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2540.44,2543.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 8:\u003c/strong\u003e I can, without hurting anything, without giving up not smoking.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2544.04,2549.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I hope so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2550.0,2550.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 8:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, we need to have an x-ray though, you know? Oh, it's here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2550.81,2553.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, yeah. Do it again. Yes, I will. Do it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2553.79,2557.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you want a big file or a small file?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2557.34,2558.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 8:\u003c/strong\u003e Bye, have a nice day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2560.0,2560.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, good. Ha ha ha.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2565.66,2566.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 8:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't think that's what they're up to, but I might guess.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2567.51,2569.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e There are, curiously, if there was any common denominator to the new work going on in England, it's the common denominator of improvisation. And either improvisation or care for a surface look of real realism, you know? Not just studio realism, but an authenticity. This sort of, you find the the disciples of, uh, Leacock and Maisels. Everywhere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2573.7,2608.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e The League of Mesa's films are known in England?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2610.089,2611.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Very, very well liked by these young guys. Outward appearances are being taken by people like Ron Lowe and Watkins, you know, to use the way reality looks on screen, to use that as a style. Although they both tend to object to the fact that they are just using it as a style. They tend to feel that what they are doing is making it accessible to the audience. Because they posit the fact the audience wants real.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2613.17,2661.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e I can understand that as it goes for England. I mean, I can't understand that. It's a probabilistic kind of thing, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2662.23,2670.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It's a Calvinistic kind of thing, you know, it's a very Protestant attitude of let's get down to brass tacks, let's have something that is real and none of this studio nonsense, you know. Then on the other side, connected with the same thing, among more admirers of... Leacock and Maisel are mostly Leacocke, by the way, in England, it's not so much Maisel. They tend to find Maisel's films a little bit lacking in structure. What? 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I'd have to refer back to my tapes to give you the exact quotes and things, but... On the one hand, we have this outward appearance, but highly structured, everything written out, everything controlled. But the outward appearance of spontaneity. And then, on the other side, there's the guys that are working on spontaneitiy. 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It's about time, actually.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2750.29,2752.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e Don't leave it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2753.76,2755.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e L-E-V-Y, he is making his first feature now, shot in color, in which he's using entirely based on improvisation, story, scenes, everything was written but he worked at it through improvisation and almost cycle analysis. He is considered, at the BFI, as being a little lunatic yet the BFI put money in his film to help it be produced, you see. And he's doing it a little bit under the auspices of Thorold Dickinson, who is teaching at Slade School at the University of London. And Dickinson says that he thinks he's the brilliant talent. But Thorold Dickinson was the head of the United Nations Film Service for years. One of the, an early name in documentary. He was one of the early group, you know. Although he was a feature film director who did, he shot, for instance, he He shot over you after his first movie.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2756.03,2836.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 7:\u003c/strong\u003e Which one?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2837.88,2838.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I forget the name of it. She played a resistance girl or something. I don't know what the hell","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2838.6,2843.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 7:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I thought the first one wasn't in the most shoddy form of the movie.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2842.83,2846.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e He told me it was her first movie in England anyway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2847.45,2851.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e Who produced this, if it happened to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2854.589,2856.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Brownlow, I don't know, I think he got support from various and sundry areas. I don't remember now. It's on the tape.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2859.97,2867.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, what sort of... What's not...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2869.1,2871.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It wasn't for TV, he started it when he was 17, and it took three years to make it, you know. And Peter Watkins worked on it too. But anyway, so Don Lilley is working on this psychological thing, you see, he's trying to get people to... He chooses people, he chooses actors, but he chooses them for their characteristics which resemble the part he's after. And then he tends to draw on that part, he seeks to find that part of their experience, which is like the character, and enlarge it, somehow feed it, you know? And and then let them improvise their text on that and he worked for hours and hours with him before he shot and he and he the scenes he showed me he had driven some of his women to hysteria you know hysterical scenes uh i don't i told him i i says this may be an awful movie but it'll be pretty interesting anyway you know because it's uh uh I've never seen this on the screen, you know, just sheer, he said that his camera crew, some of the people were trying to stop filming, he says it's indecent to take shots of this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2873.09,2954.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't understand, but tell me something about...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2955.78,2957.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, the movie has to do with a crisis of, I don't know, crisis of a woman who's in love with a guy and everything and she's thwarted and she goes and he's dealing with, at the same time, the outward reality, I mean the action, you know, and the mental action which is going in and he is filming the mental action as well. He stages mental action and cuts it in with outward action as I understand. He was very hesitant to explain very much about it, saying it was terribly complicated. But in the scenes I saw were depicting interior motion, and to depict interior motion you want to drive this woman to hysteria, and so you get a shot of her just absolutely, you know, outside herself completely. And he drove for two hours, he worked on her and drove her to hysterium, and then felt it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=2958.17,3014.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e The British Film Institute put money in it, but they're a little worried about the whole thing. 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Regulations, how you call them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=3028.28,3039.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, you mean the Syndicat, the Union? The Union. I don't know what he did on it, actually. I wasn't particularly interested. I was mainly interested in his techniques, his psychological techniques, which is the reason I'm doing this study. 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They have not to use, they don't have to the union things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=3072.36,3081.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I would hesitate to say, I don't know. He had a very small crew. It was professional because since he was using a tripod camera, he wasn't using a light camera. And it was color. But he was working in natural surroundings. I don t know whether the BFI only puts money in film, but we have to have a union. 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And then there's another guy, there are several other people who are using this improvisational thing. One is John Boorman, who just completed his first feature with the Dave Clark Five. It's kind of an imitation of Beatles film. I don't know whether it's good or not, I saw one reel of it, which was perfectly professional, you know. Who was he? Boorman. B-O-O. I see. B- O-O R-M-A-N, John. And, uh, the name of the film... Oh, damn, what the hell's the name? That's the trouble when you're working with a tape recorder, you tend to...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=3119.66,3159.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 10:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I can't even tell you what. Big black. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. I've read about it. Yeah, it's a film of the day time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=3158.69,3163.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And he used, although he had a written scenario, he used a great deal of improvisation constantly to build the scene. And Borman had worked in a cinema verite style in television and made some success in a series of films called The Newcomers, which dealt with the sociological study of a young couple in an environment in Bristol. Trying to find a home. They're going to have a baby. Oh, it was a serial dealing with social problems that a young family encounters you see and he had a series of six-hour films on the thing and Which he Sometimes shot improvisationally sometimes scripted They worked it out that way and but generally he was actually following this family. You see this this young couple through the birth of their child and so forth and he had made quite a success with this. I saw one of them and I found it it was very timid when you compare it to Leacock or he dealt with a lot of in fact he was one of the first in British television to use the interview technique for narration you know and then play the interview over the images and uh evidently that created quite a sensation in 1963. And, uh, I made his reputation that way. 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He plays the interview over the images.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=3257.02,3263.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But you know, you get a narration by interviewing the person, interviewing, interviewing and then pulling out what you want, putting it over images, you know. And then using some same sound. 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England's rather difficult.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=3287.01,3294.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e How long have you been here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=3295.93,3296.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, actually about a week. I was here a week doing nothing, because I didn't know who did it. Johan wasn't back from France yet, and I just sort of popped in. And I've been a week here, seeing Johan and other people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=3298.7,3313.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e You won't stay too long. No, I'm going to have to go to France pretty quick. But what's the idea of this Ford Foundation... 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Not to say that I should I'm not really trying to prove anything I'm trying to look at it almost dialectically as a problem as a condition of film that you have to somehow deal with the realness of the image and I don't know what my thesis is going to be at all it's probably going to very informal book just dealing with my own Speculation. Insights and things that other people have said. I want to call it, I want call it in search of a walrus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=3390.21,3427.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e In search of what? A walrus. A wal? A Walrus. You know what a walrus is? A big animal, a sea animal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=3427.6,3435.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And the reason for that is that Nanook went on a walrus hunt, you know, and taking Nanook as a, I'm sorry about that, I am a big fan of Flaherty's, as many of us in my generation are now in America, we are quite inspired by Flaerty. We, especially since the Flaherty seminar has begun, you know, and we go every year. The thing was, the walrus hunt in Nanook is something of the problem of the non-actor. Is that... Is that Nanook, you see? Said to Flaherty, I don't know what his real name was, but it wasn't my name, but he said to Flaerty, why don't we go out and shoot a walrus hunt? Because Flaierty wanted constantly to have the people collaborate, you see, with them in the film. And so they said, let's go do a walrus hunting. And they set up a walruses hunt, but they found the walrusses. And the thing that makes it work, of course, is the fact that it's a real walrus. Even though the whole thing's set up, you see. And so this is sort of the key to the whole problem with non-actors. I was talking to Arthur Penn in New York, and he says, yeah, that's the idea. He says, what we want to do is put a water risk in every scene, you know? So I said, that is right. So what my book is about is how you get a water-risk, you now? And it's all of the problems of getting a water rest. You know, how do you make the thing... 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It's just a group, but it's the best way to... Well, what it is is you meet them and they show you some of the films they've made. 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Have you seen the 1, 2, 3?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=3604.96,3614.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e We'll see you in the next one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=3617.54,3618.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e They made a new film. They made it in one and a half weeks. A picture in the half report. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=3619.61,3628.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e One of the things, one of the subsidiary things I'm doing with this, because I do work with film comment every now and then. I don't know if you've seen the latest ones, but I have an interview with Maiselsen and a new one coming out with an interview with Leacock, and I sort of did interviews in en profondeur, you know. Eh, but, uh... 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So I felt doubly bad about it. What does his son do? Well, he's the head of the USIA Motion Picture Service, and he's doing a damage job. He's probably the first guy to come along since Per Lawrence that has given a shape to American documentary, you know, outside of the TV field. And he has a lot of good taste. Sometimes I don't agree with him. And he especially has the courage to fight bureaucracy, you now, and that's been the big thing. And he's helped a lot young guys get started. 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You know, Stevens Jr. Does, you know. Because he knows how to play that game there. And, for instance, with the March film that I made, I was investigated twice by the Senate, you know, for having made an anti-American film. And... 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But it was a film which created a big stink in Washington when it came out. The United States government shouldn't be putting money in for making films that would please China and Russia.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=3802.79,3825.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e Hasn't really been shown about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=3829.53,3830.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well what happened was that Stevens, Jr. And Carl Rowan, the now head of the USIA, who was a Negro, defended the film. But they had to defend it in front of the Senate, in one of the investigating committees. And twice, as a matter of fact. Rowan when he was appointed head of USIA after Murrow left. Because Murrow, you know, took sick and died later. And Murl was all for the film, but Rowan was for it, and then he had to defend it in front of this sign. And then, just then, about six months later, he had the defend it again, after some big wheel had written a big letter saying what an anti-American film it was. And that how, that if America... 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Since then I've-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4111.52,4113.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e What happened with this...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4113.91,4114.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Les Justices de l'Olivier was shown in festivals around the world and shown in France. Shown in 16? No, it was reduced to 16 without subtitles. So it's never been shown in the United States. The distributors there were not interested in it except for non-theatrical distribution.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4117.13,4141.069"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e Who financed it from?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4143.19,4144.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e A guy named George DeRocque, who was a producer in Algeria at the time. 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The problem that a small country, and especially now a country which has lost its colonies, lost its, you know, and suddenly finds itself confined. You come from a Suriname, yeah? You come from here or not, man?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4195.66,4237.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e He comes from the US and police. Where you come from?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4237.61,4239.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Until it's yeah until the sun yeah and uh so uh i find this is a so they haven't both are calling this you see not all are still here But, I mean, a nation which suddenly finds itself confined to its European boundaries. You know, in the sense that the... I've already... I hear people talk about the last grand tour of Holland. And it's very interesting that in the picture of Europe, Holland is really in the typical position of the interim country. And what happens to it? What happens to an art in this country? What happens? To an art, or a film? 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Well, I think, have you, have your, I'm very interested, you now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4310.15,4319.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know how many... No, I've talked to...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4320.67,4326.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e We started talking to Breiman, but we didn't get very far.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4337.64,4340.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know. I think, I think... I'll tell you something. 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You never know when he's there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4354.79,4376.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 10:\u003c/strong\u003e He's always eager to talk. The first five minutes are very difficult, but then he's... He knows you? Well, it's possible, of course. He never likes to talk, but after five minutes...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4383.89,4395.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I wanted Hanstra from one viewpoint, you see, because he represents everything that is classical Holland for us, you know. Van der Horst and Hanstra are the only things that people in America know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4397.99,4409.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Welcome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4410.46,4410.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e I'll write down for you, I hope, will you be in home after you go to Paris again?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4412.84,4417.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I may come back in September, beginning of September.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4417.71,4419.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e I'll write down the names of some Dutch, most of them are young, just starting from makers, whom you should try to contact and talk with and if you do so, you will find out exactly what's going on here. If you don't do so...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4419.92,4442.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I want you to try to give me your point of view, though, because you're a young Dutch filmmaker, there's maybe a lot of noise around here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4443.09,4448.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no, no. There's a magnetic thing going on here in Amsterdam. Well, we try, we think that what's going on in Amsterdam here, and we've been looking at it from this point the last one and a half years. What's going in Amsterdam now, and in the near future, is you can't find it elsewhere in Europe. It's well it's getting it's starting to getting known it has just started getting known in Germany and Belgium, and even the new American cinema group, Jonas and all the others. 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Some are sitting, some are sitting more than a few. Well, yeah, it looks like shit what I talk, what I'm doing, because you can think, you can think well, what sort of sales talk is it, but... No, but I don't really answer, it's six minutes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4509.07,4531.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, but I don't really answer that. It seems to me that Holland is in that point where you see where you pose the problem of a different, a problem that France doesn't have, that Italy doesn't have, they have their problems. Spain has its own problems, but they are all pretty much cultural identities, you know. Sweden is a cultural identity. 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Holland is not going anywhere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4529.88,4551.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e How is this not going to have all the advantages of a country that doesn't have, that never had an active film production?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4550.93,4559.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And what would be those advantages?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4561.35,4563.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e Those standards it will be that you will have an outburst of different people making all sorts of different styles, really interesting. You feel it'll happen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4563.83,4578.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You feel it'll have nothing to do with any kind of Dutch tradition.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4577.93,4581.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e From what I... Of course it will have, but from what I've seen now... 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He made it be a home. And he said, well it's this tradition, he said. Well, and now, I can't understand him, but he said well, it's just, well he... But Canadian was this. No, this was a Canadian. What Canadian was this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4603.66,4631.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e No, this was a Canadian of Peter Morse. Some guy from the... You have two archives in Canada. You have an archive... Thank you very much. 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In the editing. In the other thing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4693.15,4696.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e Any other thing, but also in the... 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Dutch tradition is no tradition. No, Dutch tradition, that is Russian editing, I mean, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4718.04,4727.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 10:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, but why are they doing Russian editing? Just because they don't understand the actors. This tradition is one, well, really the old Kudyshov stuff. They don't like actors, and they never liked them. For centuries we have, since the golden age, since Rembrandt. Well, even he didn't use actors. No, Rembrand was since, well what, he used, since others he couldn't get actors. And there is no Dutch tradition in drama, and that's... Well, I think it's the Calvinism of Holland. 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Hanstra is pretty pictures, you know, Hanstra, everything is based on a kind of a rhythmic primordial, the primary rhythm, you Whereas and and it's a little more complicated and vices","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4768.18,4799.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 10:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it's more complicated, but it's in the line of tradition, and it is more complicated because Franz Weiss, he loves acting, he is an actor himself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4800.02,4809.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I would be, I would hesitate to say that that label really happens. Well, uh, I find it, well, I don't know, it's interesting to hear that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4812.12,4825.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 10:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it's even part of the success in Holland, of course, because it has been a very commercial success. It went with La Produce, and I think, well, anyhow, the advertisements at first...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4830.61,4847.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e What we would love for this","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4847.37,4848.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 10:\u003c/strong\u003e Grand Yard. And at first it was La Produce, and then it was very small, but at the end it was, the other way around, it was the La Producer. No, it's a smash hit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4848.79,4866.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It did have a public success.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4869.12,4870.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 10:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4871.53,4871.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e As well as a critical.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4872.26,4873.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 10:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't quite get why it had public success, but it had it. It's not... It's strange. I thought people would never understand it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4874.92,4885.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Maybe they didn't. Maybe they misunderstood it, nicely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4885.83,4891.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 10:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4892.27,4892.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Like when two folks","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4894.62,4895.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e We've got the Catholic award for 400 votes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4895.66,4897.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 10:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4897.82,4897.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e Jesus, I'll never understand why I got that. Jaglu Du told us Oslo last week, Truffaut, he met Truffau at Cannes, Trufaut talked to him and he said, Trufo has the idea of making, what do you call it? Remake. Of making a remake of Katz\u0026 Coop, but now he wants all the copies and all the machetes of Katzz\u0026 Coops destroyed. 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He started disliking it at the moment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4927.82,4931.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, he got, he had a nervous breakdown in New York last year, truthful death. It was very, very bad scene. I don't know what happened. He was trying to finish up his book on Hitchcock.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4934.78,4947.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e What he went to New York to ask money for","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4951.04,4953.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/303","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Very nice. But I don't know, I didn't see him there, but a friend of mine who knows him, I've met him before, a friend from Steve's, he really went to pieces. I don' know what it is about New York for French movie makers, but Godard practically killed himself there, you know, he committed suicide practically. Godard? By doing what? By trying to cut his wrists or something, from what I was told, Maysles told me. When was this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4954.14,4985.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/304","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I wouldn't print it, I would print it because it's very practical, but you know. Just for the general scope, English words. Don't say that I said it, if you put it that way. Don't say that I said it, if you put it out there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=4993.19,5003.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no, no. I just want to have fun. But this is what Maisels told me. It's whether or not it was in New York or whether he did it. It was just after he went back. He went to see Maisels, and I was supposed to meet him at Maisels. I had met him in Cannes in 1962. I told him we were going to meet in Maisels and I'm going to interview him. Maisels got a letter from him saying, I'm sorry, personal reasons, recall me to France. And this is right after you finish, let me play you. This is, what, 60? And it was around this time that it happened. I'm very vague on it because I don't know that, that's for me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5003.22,5048.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 10:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, but he wasn't in it. Yeah, it was... Everything went wrong then. The film went, and the narrative...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5050.16,5057.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/307","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And uh... But you know the funny thing is that if you see the may play, you can almost predict it because it's made by a guy who's going to annihilate himself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5063.37,5070.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/308","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you think so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5071.02,5071.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/309","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e I made my guy home.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5072.67,5073.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/310","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Who's going to annihilate himself. That is, from Viva Saevi through the May point, it's the death wish. Strong to that film. And through the may point, I just felt fantastic. When I saw it in Montreal, and I knew these things, because I may have conditioned it, but boom, you know, when I was on the jury.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5073.63,5096.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/311","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, it struck me as a very formless thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5097.61,5100.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/312","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But I mean, this is it. He was killing himself. Just putting himself down. And then at the end, he just poshers it off with that nothing. Sort of, life is nothing sort of thing. You know, strong.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5100.78,5118.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/313","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that sounds like, uh, a little bit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5119.66,5122.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/314","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Mythologique, and it might be, but I got a very strong impression.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5126.52,5130.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/315","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e It's a good shit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5131.4,5132.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/316","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 10:\u003c/strong\u003e What sounds do you like me to do?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5138.08,5139.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e That's the myth of the artist, you know. At that moment, he was like, I don't know what to do with this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5139.47,5144.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Cool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5145.21,5145.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/319","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No, but I, I, you know...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5146.31,5147.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Godard has constantly created a world that is nothing but appearance now, you know, for himself. Appearance, the myths, enter in that if you want, but I mean, it's a world without substance anymore. A world without ties. And I can believe in it, but, I can also see how far I've been taking my end to just say, turn it off. And the kind of cold debts he has in both the Mepri and the Osavi is kind of impassionate, or without passion, you know. In person, just like... And the dividing up of life into little compartments, little bits and pieces. Anyway, just to get back to Dutch films, I'm uh... I was talking to Nikolai, you know, and I had the feeling that he wanted to get rid completely of anything Dutch himself. It was almost like a kind of a suicide here, too, you now, to become French. When I read the critics, or when I got you on to translate certain critics here in the papers in Filmkrant, you, know, there's that, there's, and then what was it else? Yeah. The wish is for something that is not that... In a sense, you get the feeling that we don't want, unfortunately, the best things are not Dutch. We therefore, you know, in a sense we don' t want Dutch things. The prize was given to Franz Weiss because it was non-Dutch. There was this wish to just obliterate anything, you see. And of course, and then Nicolai said something like that there was this désenchantement, you and that Nikolai isn't a cheater.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5150.68,5285.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 10:\u003c/strong\u003e No, he's Russian. He is? His mother went to Persia. She fled for the revolution. Pardon me, a Russian? Yes, his mother is Russian. But he left Russia in the 80s, at the revolution, went to Paris, and there, his father met him. He prays in Russian, he says his prayers in Russian and he... Nikolai, he say his prayers, in Russian.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5286.44,5318.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e His, his, his...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5320.06,5320.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/323","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 10:\u003c/strong\u003e His prayers. You know, Lord, Lord. He says his prayers in Russian. Are you playing or...? No, but when he says prayers... He says them in Russian! I think he was educated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5320.61,5334.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But nevertheless, he's very tough to me, in a sense. Oh, great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5337.04,5340.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e These are, there are 20 more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5342.48,5344.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 10:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5346.68,5347.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/327","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e If he wants to get a real idea of the big words I used when I said that the great things, that Amsterdam is going to be the most important city for films and actors filmmaking around 1920s, he must try to speak, try to contact all these people, or some of these people. I am a little bit jealous that you spent one month in London and you met a lot of people there, younger while I feel that the things that are happening here and well in the first place I'm sure first place it is so that anything with films you want to do here it's far more easier than in the greatest difficulties doesn't lie in the fields of the active production thing you don't have troubles with you know all the unions things and everyone","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5350.81,5406.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/328","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e So, maybe you can stay a couple of days longer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5409.38,5411.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/329","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e If you can tell me for instance, it was a pity because this morning I showed, for instance I want to show, I arranged for this Canadian the showing of three films. I wanted to show him more, he's going to have a program, I nominated your film, he is going to a program Blink Kent, our film, Francis' film, Jan Ong's film and Paul van Hoofens film. This will be in November. For Canada. For Canada, yeah. But you see, for instance, if you could tell me now when you would be back here, since you're leaving Sunday and we are now on the weekend, which week of August or September would you be back? I could arrange, together with the private people who own it from privately, and that's... Is there any way of getting...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5414.22,5461.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/330","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Is there any way of getting it for next week, if I stay?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5460.47,5463.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, but I can start arranging only monday, yeah, so you must","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5463.58,5469.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/332","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e The only thing is that I have to start working on it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5470.42,5474.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/333","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e And another difficulty is the man I must have is in Berlin, because Francis's film is going to be shown there on Sunday. If I want to have films from The Hague, it takes them two days to ship the films to Amsterdam. And then we get shot at a very nice place, at Jan Foul's place, in the film industry. So if you could, for instance, if we could have a... It would be far more easier if you could, for instance, if you would be back here in Amsterdam during August or something. Well, alright. Maybe I should do that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5473.45,5510.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/334","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, that's good then, I have to go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5512.29,5513.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/335","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e Because I feel it's a lot, it's pity that you go back to the States. And you haven't seen, well, most of the things that I've had, that I have, some films, you know, and talked to some people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5513.36,5529.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/336","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Good. Then alright. I'll tell you, I'll just come back before I go to Rome. I will come back here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5530.74,5534.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/337","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, you'll let John know when you'll be here. And John, you will let me know when. 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I don' think, I just haven't got the feeling anything else is going on there, you now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5543.33,5560.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/339","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e The break throws on the greatest scale you will find in Amsterdam by this time next year. What did you say? No, no, really. No, really, no really. What's going on now, the difficulty with it is that you have a lot of names there and I can mention and write down many more. Oh, no no no. The difficulty is that... You could meet these people and still have an idea of, well, it's just the early beginning, you know? Well, that's what I want to see. 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But I think this is gonna be the interesting thing, is what has happened in Holland, because we've always, in the States, we have a tremendous respect for Hans Trelland of Oosten-Jorssen, you now, and everybody talks about that in Let us know in the comments. And everybody in the cinema, you know? Religious stones? Religious homes, not rolling stones, no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5597.85,5656.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/341","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e It needs a lot of tactics, you know, how to change, how do you change slightly every day, how your governmental firm service, attitude, how you call it, propaganda and all the kind of things, how we change it slightly and how to point out to them that what we are doing now, these 20 people, most different things, what we're doing now is not something different but it's a logical, you know, it's very important to what happens. 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Because at the moment I'm not interested in what's happening. I'm working all day to get things organized. Just to get them winning and so is he.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5706.59,5720.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e What? You mean your problem is getting, just getting things organized? We have... Well, well, well... 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Yeah, the old good quality film. Yes, but not only that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5736.6,5749.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/347","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It's sort of like electronicum, what is it, luvicum or what? No, no, no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5749.46,5757.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/348","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e It moreover deals with you're a filmmaker and now you got your money as subsidy or I don't know what to make this film. Then it's a lot of work. You've got to arrange several things. And then you look for just someone who... Lopioma. Someone who... An Alan boy. And you call him prediction man. You know, it's... 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Do you know how many people, how many peoples things were refused?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5836.6,5845.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/353","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Many people's things were refused. Peace and quiet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5843.9,5848.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/354","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e He sent one, was refused, but in a dollar sent one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5847.18,5850.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/355","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, he was refused first. Yes, he wasn't refused first, no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5852.02,5856.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/356","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No, it's fine. I'm at the office.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5857.559,5859.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/357","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 10:\u003c/strong\u003e Are you feeling this? Your voice is just like... It's just like what? Yours. Like mine. No, yours. George Stevens. Oh. George Stevens, please.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5861.76,5871.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/358","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Somebody in the way, or somebody in the other.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5875.79,5877.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/359","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e One of the things that fascinates me though is this rejection of Dutch background. 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Johan's not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5888.67,5896.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/361","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Nikolaj is, no, Johan's not, no Johan is rejecting what he feels were not Dutch in the first place. Hans Strahn, Hans Strahan and Joris Stevens were not, well Joris Steven is a different case, but van der Horst being typically Dutch filmmakers, but nevertheless very much tied in with the Russian, the old Russian montage, the Old Russian attitude of filmmaking. And, in a sense, we were talking about... Almost all of the history of Dutch filmmakers associating themselves with something outside the country.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=5893.4,5929.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/362","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 10:\u003c/strong\u003e No, but I told you why they are associating his vision. Look, look at, he can't direct... No, neither of them. Hansewijk can a little bit, but Roos can't at all. No, they just don't get him. It's something completely... 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You see, it flops the moment he shows people. It's completely, everything is wrong. The film goes... It's not, it is not a good film. It's very interesting to look at. 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No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=6012.59,6013.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/369","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e One thing, Fassade is a film by a so-called pupil of another great master of that short film, Charles-Huguenot van der Linden. Well, he's a pupil of Huguenot's Dixieland viewers and all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=6014.19,6027.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/370","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Which one was it, Big City Blues? The one I'm showing in Canada, 62. 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You've learned a lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=6100.98,6104.559"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/377","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I just wanted to ask if we could film it one more time. 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It's my pleasure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=6393.62,6395.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/397","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e I think if you really want to get a good answer to some of these questions, you've got to try to contact them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=6397.29,6409.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/398","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e What about yourself? You've created quite a storm here in Amsterdam, apparently, from the few things I've heard about you. No, it's also in the paper. It's also on the paper, it is in film crap. They talk about you re-establishing yourself. What do you mean, re-establishing? Well, re estate yourself after 10. Oh, no, no. Evidently, this was a big, big thing that was created here through the government. They jumped a kind of a difference of... Of, I mean, this immobile, governmental idea, you were attacked, evidently, in scope. Is that right? And then suddenly they took your incentive to can, and then it didn't work, or something like that? No, no, no. 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I mean, the only French filmmaker who is not in trouble is Godard. Yeah, and he just wants to commit suicide. To commit suicide.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=6551.61,6560.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/412","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e That's really funny.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=6564.26,6565.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/413","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e He already overcame. Yeah, I agree with you. The Buddha is...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=6565.74,6571.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/414","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e If I see an Anam alpha field and I see this it starts with le neufième film This man solved, he solved the problem to the roots, you know, making films in the next 20 years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=6572.9,6591.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/415","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Make them flow. 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I think it's very nice that he's doing that, Tom. I'm not going to knock good art with it much, you know. I think La Femme Magne is one of the finest films I've ever seen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=6661.6,6702.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/421","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 10:\u003c/strong\u003e How come you call it La Femma G? All Americans call it la Femme G, somehow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=6702.42,6707.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/422","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e No, it was a switch with a title. They had to... I saw this, but why? It was in Femmerier. No, but it was love Femmier. 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When was that? Seven years ago seven years ago more 50 out 58 this film Academy had the film academy Started Thanks to for instance hamster and all these old film makers who wanted to End it and the whole industry who were First, look at the continuity in a way, like what's going to happen. It was just stages. It was for stages. Okay, but the first three, four years it was, you could say, unofficially for Maccadamy. It didn't have state subsidy. People would come to school three days a week. They had only three days per week, lessons or something like that. 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No, no, no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=6966.13,6969.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/438","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no, some minor second grade, some of them first grade too, people who worked in the industry. So the beginning of 1962, they started to become an officially film academy with sitting and they still do five lessons, five days a week, lessons, 25 hours or so a week. And well then, some people came at this film academy and they wrote something with a film magazine called Scope, you see this is the second number. This was the second number? This was a second number. And it's out of the group from the Academy, is it? Yeah, this was out of a group from Academy. 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Is it only, was it only a one-year course?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=7025.78,7028.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/440","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e One year? Three years? Two years. It's now four years. It's going to be three years. Which, well, I'm glad I... It was two years when you were there. Yes, I said one and a half. So this thing was against the Dutch, the situation of Dutch film criticism. And it has everything to do with the... In the first place, well, on the same scale, American cinema and French cinema. American cinema, Wim and me, you could say, we could say it that way. And, well anyhow, it had something to do with... And French cinema and Nicolay and... 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No, no, Claire! Yes, it's too late. I'm out of here. Don't apologize! You shut up!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=7110.75,7118.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/445","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e You'll be shot at dawn, but never mind. You really shouldn't be ashamed of what I had learned. That's why I went to France. Hey, can we get it from there? Give it to me. 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Yeah, I'm on my way to France. I'll tell you the reason I went to France is because of Ronnie Clark.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=7140.66,7148.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/448","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e I went to practice because I thought that Willie Clare was teaching me that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=7151.68,7154.559"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/449","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 10:\u003c/strong\u003e No, he thought that Niklas was teaching it to you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=7161.1,7164.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/450","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But it wasn't true. Nobody taught Edek. But Edek was a marvelous place for us because it was a center. It was kind of a foyer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=7164.67,7172.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/451","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e That's about the main idea. I mean, that's the whole thing. We visited film academies and circus around film academys in Moscow. Two German things. Well, I know everything about the Italian experimentality, Other day, but I know some things about the electric situation. I don't know, the difference with this film academy here is that after four years they had a group of people who founded the magazine and started to arouse all sorts of things in a climate that was totally, well, I don' know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=7173.2,7221.429"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/452","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 10:\u003c/strong\u003e No, it's because we lost our colonies and we are always 25 years behind times. Are you joking? No, I'm not. You're not joking. The first is not a joke, the second is a joke. It's a Heine joke. Heine says when the world collapses, I am going to Holland because they are always 25 years. 25, 30 years too late. Who says that? Heine, Heine. German name. Heine Goldblatt. AHHHHHHHHHHHHH AHHHHHH","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=7221.73,7247.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/453","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Cut, cut, cut. You guys are not there? No, no, no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=7250.519,7254.179"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/454","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, somebody came and nickelized, yeah. No, but heineken, I have a very personal attachment to it, because when I was... I just first arrived in Holland, I had some dirty laundry. And I believed in this myth that everybody spoke English, you know? So I took my dirty laundry under my arm and went out into the street and tried to find out how I could find where there was an automatic laundry around, you know, before you put it in and put money. And I finally got the word, and it was Wassere Automatrie, or something like that, Wassere Automatrice. So I spent all day trying to find the Wassere Automatrie. And I finally got to one lady, who was in a cigar store, and she says, It's the Brammer Rye, Bramber Rye. Yeah, it's the brammer rye. No, but what's the name of that thing? Oh, yeah. So there's nothing wrong. I thought I was going to be putting my He's wandering into a brawler here now! So I finally found the bathroom area that I did behind Hannigan's, you see. 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Right on time. Oh, hello!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=7352.05,7360.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/457","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e It's really, really, uh...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=7365.98,7367.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/458","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you think that you have a particular point of view in... I mean, in Cahier, it was the Politique des Hôtel, which was later taken over by a movie and pretty much adonerated by film culture.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394#t=7373.76,7390.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262394/transcript/79654/annotation/459","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 10:\u003c/strong\u003e The main difficulties with scope is that it has two points of view. You could say two. Yes, you could say it has, well, it has one of, it, it has a semi-docteur point of view, and that's mainly Nicolas Robimé-Rengu. And I don't have a semi docteur point of view at all. 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Our parents and the whole situation at the educational system in the school, which was and is the daughter of Ibrahim. Was like going to an American movie. No, that's cheap. I mean, it has nothing to do with the real cinema, culture, art. It's just entertainment, you know. So, it was part of a... If you... Everyone went to American movies, they enjoyed it tremendously, and they could follow it, and they understood everything. Everyone speaks English. It was obviously bad. We came here, we came here to Amsterdam, I came in 1960, he came a couple of years before, to We both started studying at universities and we discovered that, well, you know how it goes. American movie was really, well how do you say it, one of the best, the best. 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Testing. Testing, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6.8,10.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e So in the beginning of our talk I talked about the kind of malaise, this whole kind of positive expression in cinema had met, but now we have pointed out that this malaise probably has to do a lot with our loss of position in the world. And uh... So In general, you might say that this kind of heroic attitude of building dice and all that stuff and sailing the seas has lost its frame","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=13.539,52.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You were saying-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=53.66,54.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And I think this feeling of malaise is something which... Which has had a great influence on Dutch life now. We realize that we are a small country. And also there's another thing of course that people are getting come this is another phenomenon the traveling facilities are bigger many people come abroad now and then Europe is developing and all that. The whole range of problems is completely different.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=54.57,87.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you think this means now that there can't be a Dutch cinema? Are you in agreement with Nicolai?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=89.16,94.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no, I think I pointed that out sufficiently, but...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=94.67,98.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Mentioned you mentioned I think we should read","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=99.78,101.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and we should, still we have elements in our society, which I can't enumerate on the spot, but we have all kinds of interesting elements and scenery and attitudes. And I see no reason why we shouldn't use them. I see not reason why should have typical French people and typical French attitudes represented in our Dutch films. Without being able to have the French precision and the French neck for working out intellectual patterns.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=103.61,141.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e You feel that trying to adopt a surface, the sort of European surface, which is a kind of a composite of Italian, French and Swedish, you feel that that's a dangerous thing for Dutch filmmakers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=144.7,157.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, but the only thing I think is that nobody knows what is in European surface. It's very undefined and I think if you are tied up with European problems and European thinking, you should start to look for a definition in films, in forms, of what that is. I mean that is a very that is very legitimate point if you say well I'm not interested in interested in the national thinking i'm i'm not a national thinker and other not interesting home destination but uh... But still when i'm still right when i am talking about europe that to me that is not to just uh... Imitated young people that and i think that That should require a closer definition.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=157.78,212.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e The only thing you have to draw on is your own background and you can't particularly identify with Europe, can you? Do you identify with your Europe? Is there a sense of Europe?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=217.34,228.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e There is starting a sense of Europe. But, yeah, I cannot say much about that at the moment. But I think it is only valid to think in terms of Europe when we can bring our background and our character over our borders, you see. I'm very much, personally, I'm very, very much interested. In getting my films to be shown in other countries. And I'm very much interested also in the problem of what of all this can be understood abroad. We talked a lot about that also, and it's a very important problem. When something is very humoristic to me, and you cannot laugh about it. So what is wrong? What is happening? And this is an interesting line of thought. But I think it's avoiding this problem when you just imitate what is done abroad. Because this kind of imitation shows very well that we don't get some bits of the Godard attitude, that these guys who imitate only get the surface without being able to understand what it might represent in a French context. 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I don't think of Holland as a nation, but this environment, this kind of landscape we have here, this plastic. The plastic setup of the whole thing is what I have to work with and why should I try falsifying it by making it look like a French landscape? Doesn't make sense. In that case I can better go emigrate to France.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=336.23,376.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you think it's possible for a man to change his route so much?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=378.86,381.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know, maybe it is. I don´t see it very easily for me. I like very much, I would like to have in my life the possibility to travel a lot more than I do now. And I enjoy enormously being abroad and seeing all that and making contact. But of course at any rate you need a long time. In order to be able to start understanding a little bit of it but of course you could probably make something i did a photo book about paris and i think it's a valid book because my personal viewpoint was strong enough so that i could use i could bring it out while knowing only a part of paris while only knowing a few aspects of Paris. I could already give that viewpoint.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=384.48,442.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e So it depend yeah, you tried to make a you made a photo book which wasn't Which wasn't a Frenchman's view Fred no, no, it was a personal viewpoint Yeah","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=444.24,454.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And I think you can also do this in films, why not? If you have a strong theme, why couldn't you express it in another country? But still, I think in your way of handling your theme, you will have a different quality from what is made in that particular country. I don't think it will be easy to make French films under the French conditions and please the French and show a French mentality, but maybe you could make something very very different.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=455.45,497.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I think we better go because it's almost 4. You've got to show the pictures if you want to see those pictures. Get out of here now before we get blocked in again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=500.26,509.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm a little bit deeper in that, huh? Oh, yeah, we can... It looks very flat to me, what I said about it. Well, we could get in there... I have no ideas about it now, what you said.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=512.47,521.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Could mean something to me. That's important, you see. That's really a part of this whole thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=522.03,527.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you're a busy one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=528.03,528.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, how do you fit into Europe, you know? Yeah, I cannot say much. And I think you've pretty well said what has to be in a way. Do you think I said something about Europe? Yeah, because in a sense, in a funny way, you... Said things that I would have said about how can I be an American filmmaker you know. There's a certain basic culture but I could not. Part of American filmmaking's problem is it comes from two areas. It comes from the California thinking and comes from New York thinking. And rarely do we get people think differently you know. And these films hardly represent the with the Midwest, you know, rarely. Yeah, this is of course it. And there's a whole rich area of expression.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=530.31,580.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Of course, we never figure that the Americans have this range of different local feelings. In Europe, we can never figure it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=582.57,592.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Of course, certain films appeal more to one part of the country than the other, but to have a Midwestern film, you know, it would be rather exciting because the Midwest, for me, is really what is the most original of America. It's probably the one that's the most like Holland, in a way, in its attitudes, you now, although it probably has a sense of boundless space, whereas Holland keeps bound. Uh but anyway uh you know picnic was a mid-western we have mid-westerly playwrights picnic yeah uh mid-Western playwright mid-Westerly musicians a few Midwestern it has to be sauced up you know to New York I'll say it, it's juicier, it seasonings But one thing, you know, that's really funny is that the film, the creative film, you know, the man says, or like Nikolai says, we can't make films about these hard people and about this thing. This country that have produced these conditions, that have produced these mental attitudes of people, that have produced a feeling of instability and a feeling of desesquire, in a sense, or just second rate. For a sense of just probably helping the businessmen and wash our floors has produced a very distinctive school of art of the art of the colonial period is...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=593.34,713.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, this is, but I think what happens now in film is kind of a... Retarded reaction, you know, that these guys had sensed this shift of attitude already maybe in the war, you see, during the war or right after the war that sensed and felt that this was happening, you see, and so that this... What Nikolaj is doing is an expression of this kind of malaise. Where are we, what is happening, what are our cinemas representing. But in painting and in poetry, they have right away... Cut off this kind of mystification of the great Holland. Cobra, yeah, this with this whole, this, no, no no, 45, these guys started right after the war and they showed themselves around 1950, you see, or 1948, they started to manifest themselves. But right after the war, they destroyed the great colonial image. Anyway, they were very left-thinking, and so they give this a kick in the ass. And I think the significance of these guys is that they felt immediately that Holland wasn't the thing. They knew that Holland had lost its importance. And Holland wasn't the standard for them and Holland was not where they would have to sell their works and where they would have to become known I think in, so many of them left for Paris, Apple was made in Paris, Grenay lives still in Paris. But I think, in doing this, they didn't deny the Dutch background, you see. So they No, these guys just, in a way, inserted their background, their Dutch talent, in an international context, you see. I fucked up, I think. Oh, no, no. You see what I mean? So they didn't try to...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=714.0,888.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm not going to say I'm going to be friends.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=888.97,890.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, they tried to make something... Yeah, it is more complicated than that, you know. The whole thing, I think the whole innovation in painting and poetry had much to do with the German expressionism and with Dada, you see, the Dada movement, which I think in its origin was also German and Eastern European. And uh... So in their background, the painters had much of this northern expressionism, they had already. They didn't have to deny this. This was their school. The school they discovered, you see, and which they remodeled in a Dutch size, in a dutch form, you see, in dutch shape. But they didn't have, sorry, I wanted to be more precise. Of course, I mean this, if you want to make dutch films... And at the same time, you are very much inspired by the French Esprit and the French innovations. There's a contradiction going on. But if you want to innovate Dutch painting and you are inspired by German expressionists and all this, there's not so much contradiction in it, you see. It goes along very well because we have much of this. This violence and of this introverted, this outburst of introverted tensions which was already there in the German expressionism, you see. So there is not, there are not two contrary moods or two contrary ways of thinking going on at the same time. So, there is no frustration. They could make one thing about it, which was one block. And I think This is a valid attitude. This was a valid thing. And because they had this Eastern European background, or this mid-European German, Germanic background in their expression, they could also bring this out internationally without losing their particular, their proper background, their national background. I don't know, it sounds a little bit confused.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=891.37,1052.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no, no. It isn't confused. They're just leaving one element out, and that is, what is it that... Although it is linked to the Cobra group and the things that grew out of it, are linked with Northern Expressionism by their violence, by their introvertedness, by their abuse of colors and palette, what it is that makes it particularly Dutch? You say they adapted it to a Dutch framework?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=1052.95,1085.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, no, that I don't know. What makes it particularly Dutch?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=1087.97,1093.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Or do you find any general characteristics that say it's a dashed truck?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=1095.99,1100.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think that the Dutch have much more humoristic notions, the sense of the absurd, the sense of relativity which the Germans miss at all, completely. The German doesn't have that. So I think it is already significant that they applied their violence and their revolt to the technique of children's drawings, which I think this is a thought which comes to me right on the spot, but I think it's interesting, you see, that of course this has not only been done in Holland, you know, it's also a matter of the language of the moment, but still it might be significant that they... They didn't reach out for great symbols to make their revolt, but for the most simple and pretentious settings.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=1102.64,1166.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, Dutch poetry has not gone very far, overall, and yet, you say, at the same time, in the Cobra War, but the painting, Dutch Poetry tended to rejuvenate and take on...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=1169.22,1181.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Ah, but this has also been due to the problems of the language, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=1185.55,1189.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm not saying that it's wrong, I'm saying that nevertheless there's something indigenous in the poetry that allows it to grow, to the people here, that allows them to develop poetry, whereas a Dutch poetry rather than a French poetry...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=1190.16,1204.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You might say that in literature, the post-war poetry has been more significant than the postwar novel writing, prose writing. I don't know if it would be confirmed by other people, but I think that it has been the most pure expression.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=1208.42,1232.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e And this has been a kind of expression as of also.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=1234.64,1237.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It has been linked to the Expressionism, yeah, and it was also a kind of... Two things at the same time, you can say, it was linked to expressionism in its, in its accusing attitude, you see, and at the other hand it was preoccupied with breaking down the existing, the existing structure of language, you know, and this probably has to do with disenchanted attitudes, you now, which corresponded on the, you So they were breaking apart language and building it up in different shapes, different combinations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=1238.62,1282.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e This might also be a clue to the uh, more uh, culprit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=1283.39,1287.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, they were breaking down the easy...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=1288.66,1290.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e It is not simply a stating of an expressionism from Germany, but it is from Deseroy also.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=1290.88,1298.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, they broke down the language of painting by breaking down the subject. And they broke it down so far that they didn't even go for abstraction, you see. For abstraction would mean that there is something better than a subject, you see. That the subject isn't enough, so we make something which has more eternal value or Meaning than a subject, we make an essence. And these guys said, no, we just make children's drawings and we make that. It's a kind of fantastic understatement, you see? We just go back to this world, to this kind of inarticulate world where things are full of possibilities, you know? And we don't want to fix ourselves. On a level we don't want to to make an agreement beforehand you see we will see what happens afterwards but we think they put this kind of a freshness and ingenue and inarticulateness as a thing which was highly superior to established values even even to abstract values you see And from that idea was developed, for instance, in Apple, the whole concept of the violent act of painting and all this, which led him into abstract expressionism, though he would never think of himself as an abstract painter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=1301.39,1399.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Any move from COVID to abstract expression? Yeah. Abstract expression.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=1402.16,1406.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e The act, yeah, but no, I think he was one of the, you know, one of the chiefs of this thing, and he introduced the act of painting as a reaction to what happened to him, or what happened to the world, you might say. And later on, yeah anyway, he's a guy, you know, that is a very, can talk up any, anything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=1406.97,1431.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I am.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=1435.28,1435.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think I'm interest... I think it's interesting, it's something...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=1435.77,1438.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e And so what we've established here is that genuinely Dutch art can flourish in a sense that art reflects the problems of the time, and not the character of a country, and art that is vital can flourish, in Holland.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=1441.51,1462.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e The only thing is, it can't flourish if not everybody is out to kill it, you know. It needs, in a context like ours, it needs support, there is no easy, easily found national function for it, there's no large market, so it needs to be supported and it needs to be recognized by the officials, you see. And there's much lacking in this respect, I think. Has it been recognized? Too late, yeah. After Paris and after New York, the Dutch felt that it was time to recognize these guys. Only there's one guy who is Sandberg of the Amsterdam Museum of Modern Art, who has very much pushed all these guys, you see. Sandberg. Yeah, Sandberg, but with an E.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=1465.969,1518.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e ERG, yeah","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=1520.34,1520.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Who is a kind of extraordinary old man.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=1521.97,1524.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but, uh...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=1528.7,1529.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But these guys didn't want to be Dutch at all, in the sense that they didn't want to express a Dutch feeling. But somehow by adopting this investigation, or this examination of their language, you see, and by breaking down their language somehow automatically they found some of their roots. In the poetry and in painting, which was the same kind of destruction. Because when you see the older paintings of Cobra, there's really none of the esthetic notions of painting do exist in it. It just looks like anyone could do it. Well, and it's maybe after all that you can find something which appeals to us as Dutchmen or as Northern Europeans that you could find there. Maybe they didn't at all want to... Because of course, everybody who wants to make something, you know, who wants to do creative work has to face the problem that we live in Holland, you know, and that we're living in a small country with very limited possibilities mentality which is may feel of uh... You know innovations and may feel of people that are different you have a very mafion of of things that aren't useful i think this is a great difference with the french who in their thinking recognize the the value of uh of the spiritual for its own sake i think and we don't do that for us it's uh it's a sin you know it's sin to uh to to be preoccupied with pleasure, and also the pleasure of thinking, or the pleasure of beauty, or anything. It doesn't go with our Calvinist background, you see. And so everybody who wants to work has to face this, you know. And everybody in one or more phases of his career will hate this country.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=1530.31,1674.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e The idea that what you're doing is not serious, is not set, is set.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=1678.67,1681.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No no, I have no sin, no, but I'm talking about the national setting, you see. But in general, yes, you feel that you are... At any moment, if you don't have success, that you are considered as an outcast in this country. I think that must be the same in many countries, but it goes here. You feel very well that people are very, tend to conform immediately.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=1682.47,1711.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e And one of the things that's surprising about this is that you still say you see, and it seems to be much more, it's kind of natural. Apple and many other things all over Amsterdam. A very, very strong sense of modern abstract, abstract expression.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=1713.71,1732.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Where do you see it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=1733.25,1733.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Right now, they're close to the bottom.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=1735.28,1736.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but this is the policy of the museum, a guy like Sandberg introduced this way of just blurting it out on the people, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=1736.91,1751.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Look, right there on that building, there's already the signs of the fruits of that, you see? Yeah, the shitty fruits. Yeah, I'm gonna have a look and see how it's become this time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=1751.81,1760.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but there it's adapted. That is maybe terrible, you know, for there it is brought down to its integrated, socially adapted level, you see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=1763.15,1772.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e What are you telling me about after the meeting with post office?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=1774.62,1777.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e The town hall, he painted the wall, and there was a big riot, because people hated what he had done. He did it in the style of the child's drawings, you know, very simple colors. I think in 1950 or 50, 49? No, it was just in his young days. He was known for being a scandal, you see. Yeah and then So the press was furious about it, you see. Everybody, and this is what you find all the time in Holland, the kind of intolerance you see they have for the difference. They found it was unuseful, it was not, the guy wasn't a craftsman, it wasn't useful, it was playful, so it was sinful. And it was made by a guy who didn't take society seriously. That's what the press said. This is what the, this is what press felt. And so it was more or less voted in the Conseil Municipal, the city council or something, that they cover it up. So they stuck wallpaper over it. And now I think two years ago it was uncovered and it had to be restored. And so they had asked to ask a couple to do this And he asked a lot of money for it. An interesting scandal was also made by Lucebert in 1953 I think, he was the most famous of these poets, the most scandalized and most notorious of these new poets and he is also I think far out the most important of these guys. And He had nothing to live on, and they had a kind of arrangement that you give a certain percentage of your works, I think most of your work, of your paintings, or your drawings, to the city, and you get an allowance, let's say 300 guilders a month now I think, something like that. You see, which is really... Which keeps the guy alive, but it doesn't make him live well, and it does make him lose many of his paintings, but this is a way, a paternalistic way of... But this is a paternalistic way of keeping alive the artist, you know, and keeping them work. Giving them a small amount of money and of course the artists have exploited this because many of the guys who have a lot of money manage to get their worst works there and make a supplementary buck, you now. It works wrong from both sides, you can imagine that. What's so Lusenberg? Was known as a painter, as a poet, but unknown as a painter by that time. Asked to be put in this system, because he had nothing to eat and he had two kids. And so the guy said, well, you know what you do. We don't want you to have you here. We are not interested in your work. I think it would be very good for you if you went to work in a factory. And we can offer you a job in... In a factory of doors and floors, you see, wooden where you could pack in the packing department or something. So of course he refused and a couple of months later he got the Amsterdam poultry prize for his poultry. And then which is the same kind of, when I think of it now, Toute Proportion Gardée, the same double thing, you see, which has been going in my relationship with the government. They give you a prize, but on the other hand, they don't recognize that you are there, you See? And so he got the prize, and then he dressed, he rented clothes at the theater clothing shop, you know, and he went as an emperor. And all his friends dressed up as knights, you know, costumes. And so, at the giving of the prize, they all arrived. He arrived as the emperor of the experimentals with his bodyguard, and all these guys in the crazy costumes. And when they came there, they were kicked out by the police. This is one famous thing and he dated did it to fair she ate the the officials And you have some marvelous photographs of that too, all dressed up, the guys, all these guys who are well known now, made this riot, you see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=1779.98,2119.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Who are some of the big names? Eh, interesting, huh?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=2120.31,2125.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Interesting names. Maybe I'll write them down for you. Remco Kampert, who is, I think who was a minor character, but still, oh he was one of the boys, but he was, he made the most understandable, the most simple. And then you have Jan Elburg, Gerrit Kouwenaar, an important guy is Hugo Klaus, who is Belgian. He lives in Belgium, but who publishes here, because most of the Belgian writers publish their work here. Because somehow the Belgians don't read. Hugo Klaus, Simon Vinkenhoog. Becht Schierbeek, these are the most important. Apple, lucebeer, cornea, let me see, constant, I think these were the most important at that moment. No, at that moment, we are somehow still important. Apelkorn, Eliezerberg, Constant... The Koning is American and recent Moi Wagenmaker And then there's a guy, Engelman. Oh we have so many painters, hell I don't know anymore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=2127.14,2235.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Those will be the names of your sails.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=2237.23,2238.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Of this movement more or less, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=2240.58,2242.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Those were the names of the people in the...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=2244.06,2245.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=2246.73,2246.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you very much. Well, I think we take a break and see the film. We'll get back to those things we were going to talk about the other day. This was very important, I'd say. This whole play-in was pain.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=2254.02,2267.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But of course, you shouldn't make the error of tying it all up with Cobra. Because that would be limiting. You can name that as an example. Because I have no overall view of things. There might be many more people who are working at different things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=2268.54,2285.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I love it. These were examples of Cobra and in the fourth, examples of strong, creative search, you see, it came out of Pollock, almost in spite, and because of the drop, whereas the film... This, in a sense, drop can no longer be what it was and it has not found what it should be. And because it's running away, in this sense, profiting, rather than expressing the problem of the country at the time or growing out of some kind of reaction against it, the reaction is actually running away from it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=2286.27,2328.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But I think this has also to do with the genera- I don't know why in, why after the war we had no new filmmakers coming up. Like Poland? We have no, let's say of the generation, which is 40 years now, there are no movie makers. None at all? No, and the ones, the ones that are, the guys of 40 years, who are making films, aren't considered the generation in themselves because they are just imitating the older guys, you see. That is to say, the guys who are 50 or 60. But I don't know why Why there is no member of this generation who has gotten interested in film? Maybe it is because the revolution was so basic that they were more interested in the direct means of expression, you see. Maybe this is a... No, I mean like language and painting is our prolongement direct. Bodily are much more part of the body. Than a mechanical art as filming. So I think maybe painting and writing were more... To, as a vehicle for this, this re-estimation of reality they were making, re- estimation of the mater. Maybe that's the reason but I don't understand why none of these guys have been interested in filming they are now these days they have become interested but in a completely different optic He was not a member, but he was of the same age. Yeah, but also some of these writers are interested, but what is strange about it in general, they seem to like guys like Frans Wijs. Very funny. You see, so I have really the impression that this... This creative upsurge is a little bit over now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=2331.09,2469.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e The riders and the inflators.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=2472.08,2473.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e The guys now don't operate as a group, but everyone for themselves and they have put up with the fact that... Society is very diversified and you know there's no not this alarm behind them that you have just some individuals who do very different things, and for instance, Campot has become quite a slick writer of vaguely humoristic, hip novels, you see. And he has left his poetry, you know. He has left poetry for a big part. And there is only a part of Campot which is interesting to me nowadays. Which is his nasty, revolting, kind of violently humoristic side. Which at the same time was very understated, it was very interesting. But nowadays he uses this in the context of hip novels which are sold very well among teenagers and younger generations. Shall we stop it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=2476.24,2556.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But you know, it's funny that hip has become so important here. I think that that's, of course, that's part of the strong part of why the films are running away, to identify with outside.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=2564.83,2582.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e This past three, four years is Francis Bacon, an English painter, who is, you can say, who has at the same time the flavor of pop art, but a very, very violent and violent realism. I don't know, we will look if we can see some paintings by Bacon, because I think the younger painters now in Holland are tremendously influenced by him, you see, this is more or less the reaction that came from Koba.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=2591.91,2631.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e It's hard, really.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=2634.37,2634.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, back to realism. But also, let's say, also in painting you find this cooler mentality of Popeye and all that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=2635.87,2645.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But this corresponds a lot to the friendship between films.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=2650.84,2652.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but it is of a different origin though, it is much heavier and it is more connected to his expressionism and brooding about death and all that, you know, subterranean feelings to our life to our perception of life to our guilt feeling all that shit to our fatal","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=2655.26,2678.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But you know, it was so symptomatic when Nikolaj said, how can I use Dutch actors? They can't improvise, you know? So I used French actors to improvise French things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=2680.46,2691.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e He's probably right, I don't know anything about actors, but still...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=2694.29,2697.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But I mean, the point being is that...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=2697.67,2699.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It's evading, it's evasion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=2700.35,2701.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e He's putting himself in a French problem, so he shouldn't improvise, or he should improvise in another way. Or not get anyone from the street. What he was really saying was that I'm not getting anyone and I can't find any Dutch actors that can improvise French roles, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=2702.55,2724.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=2724.96,2724.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, this is not for the tape. To me personally, it would be alright if you... It would be interesting to see what you could get out of him if you really pushed him. That was also nice, when we talked about Dutch production and the government, that was interesting too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=2729.95,2756.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and I think that's very, and there's still a lot of good stuff, a lot is, the tie-in was the, the character of the Dutch, you know, and the, and a problem, all that sort of things, I thought. Very valuable. Really getting into the, kind of the national psyche.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=2757.18,2771.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But still, friends, it is very hard to pin down the character of a nation. Because when I was listening to the tape, it came to me that you have this one phenomenon. That is that we have a kind of sense of humor, sense of the absurd, and a feeling of relativity. Which you find also in those pictures of Eddie. You know, of Eddie's yesterday. You can take the shots of the abertide and all that shit, but on the other hand it can happen in Holland that you get a big right out of somebody doing something which doesn't correspond to the general pattern. You mean if somebody made something different from Apple, they would scream? No, but when Apple came out with this stuff, they screamed. And it becomes almost... But now, are you obliged to do something like Apple, or they'll scream? No, I think our national mentality of the people as a whole has this kind of dangerous hate of those who are different. Very much. And they can react as a mass without any sense of the absurd sense of humor. See, and that's what I was thinking when I heard the tape back. They can react, but they don't have that. Like about the apple thing, which is a very small issue in a way. They had maybe ten painting, ten walls painted in this. In this building, and one was by Apple. 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It would be too bad for you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=2773.49,2924.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e You're a curie, and you're a curator, and he has a particular kind of humor that I don't know where else he would find it. Maybe it's his own person. Yeah, but there's no extents. An absurdity that isn't really a big gag.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=2924.03,2937.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, but I think, as a human, it is linked to what Eddie is doing. But Eddie has a kind of mild, disabused look at things, you know. Desenchanté, disenchanted look, but mild. Sad but mild, and Ira is biting. Ira is really... 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I would say, yeah, whereas American humor tends to, absurd humor tends have a very different point, and it just joints you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=2975.91,2986.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But I think Eddie has pushed to a very high level, where there even isn't any joke anymore. But there is just maybe the shape of a building, which doesn't go very well with the shape of the tree in front of it. Of the spectator to get you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=2988.64,3018.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, why is it you can't get funny Dutch films then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=3018.83,3023.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Why doesn't he?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=3024.23,3024.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e In fact, why isn't Dutch people, why is it such a heavy humor, the folk humor that you said thought about? That there's an innate sense of absurdity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=3024.98,3035.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e What's his name? What's their name? Pickenpac or Spickens Bay or I don't know, a comic team that they...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=3041.85,3049.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e It never says around town.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=3049.97,3050.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Snip and snuff. Yeah, this is very bad taste, you know. Very shitty humor. But we have some marvelous humorists. You just marked your nose up. We have some fine humorists, thank you, Jen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=3051.12,3065.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e There's one thing I want to know, how does all the evangelists and these cults and religions talk about this? I don't know. It seems to me that they do, somehow. 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Frankly, I'm a little bit too tired to go on developing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=3104.319,3114.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e That's pretty good. Very nice. Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=3125.38,3127.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But I can't get over the contradiction of, let's say, humor, a sense of humor. I have always felt when I was in France, that the French have no sense of humor. I found it, because they have no idea of the absurd. 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They're not French, but all you got is French.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=3152.5,3156.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm not sure either.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=3156.58,3157.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Came from. Yes, coach.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=3158.95,3162.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e UNESCO is from England? Romanian. Romanian. And Beckett? He is American. Irish. Irish, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=3164.58,3173.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e So I guess there's something in the fridge at this point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=3175.69,3177.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I don't know, but still. Not regarding that, I always noticed in France that they have no sense of Europe. And not a sense of humor as we have, which is weird. What they have is wit. What we have is very different, it's not outspoken, it is not maybe, you know, no French for color.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=3178.049,3210.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e They call it? Alright, well, the left sense of humor is probably closer to the right sense of humor. I think so. It's humor. You can laugh over a fat man. 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But publicly we have no sense of human. And that's maybe one of the reasons why we have been dupe internationally. Like if the politician would have had any sense of humor, they would have gotten out of New Guinea just a little bit earlier, just in time. But you know, then all of a sudden, at a certain point, they start believing in what they are doing again. I don't know. But I cannot figure out how this goes together, you see. Maybe this is another dialectic which is in the character, in our character. Fundamental duality.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=3235.98,3292.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you feel that in there? That there's a...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=3293.98,3296.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you know, I have not been noticed, but the first time I realized this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=3296.98,3305.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e That there's a...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=3306.97,3307.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you have a sense of humor?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=3308.97,3309.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Probably. No, no, no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=3310.06,3311.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e There was a big scandal one and a half year ago, I must tell you that also, because it was very, very important in our society. On the TV, we have a program, which is inspired on, that was the week that was. And so what they did, they had a guy on the screen saying a prayer, but not to God, but to television. Give us our daily image to the God of the TV, give like we will reflect your image in our eyes and shit like that. They imitated the whole prayer, but only TV antennae and you see. And so this became a national riot. The next day there was one guy who began writing about it, that it was a to graze in the shade. And that the majority of the people had been insulted in the deepest holy feelings. This is the way they talk, the deepest, holy feelings, by this degrading of the holy world of the Bible. And so the day after that, all the papals were full of letters. Preachers started thundering in the churches about this. But the national disgrace which has come over it. And because there were, I think, in this panel, there were seven people and three or four of them were Jews. 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The program of that was the way to write it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=3429.77,3435.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, the people received shit, though, individually. And they got letters, you dirty Jew, we will kill you, and they have forgotten to bring you to the gas chamber. And also, count on it that when you go out in your little sports car, we'll be waiting for you with our guns outside, or we will club you to death. And not one, but this was a national. You know, or 50% of the nation was reacting this way, you know. And not only Madden, but also the religious leaders in 63. It was terrifying. The religious leaders, the right-wing papers, the religious papers, the confessional papers, political parties. There was a... There was founded a society which had... Which was more a pressure group which had for an aim to end this television show in the in the chambers in the how do you call that in the parliament the congressman demanded of the minister to forbid this program the minister already promised that he would take measures against it This whole thing happened in one week, maybe, and nobody showed much sense of humor. Of course, after that came the more quiet voices of the people who could see this in a different light. And finally, nobody had been insulted. Finally, all they had done was take a thing out of context and make humor out of it. But they didn't say the Bible is shit or something. But they said this television is shit. And for that they borrowed another symbolic language. So this was terrifying and a book was published about it. Which came out a couple of weeks after the scandal. I think 14 days after the Scandal. 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Well, well, and now that he is accepted, they are just, ah, great, fantastic, and there's no shade, you know. 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You have the way people are when there's no mic and mic or camera around. One approach seems to be to do your best to cover it up, you know? Cover up the camera and make it as unobtrusive as possible, but then there's another forage, which may be the more interesting one. To integrate the mic and camera to the point where it's no longer considered And, what do you like to say? Foreign matter in the scene, you know, but as a part of the whole thing. And then stimulate the person beyond it so that he doesn't care, you know, which is what we've gotten to for the end of the interview with Nicolai, you know. After having said, oh, can't you take that away, please, and all that business, all this coy stuff. Finally, he didn't care and then he says, it's too bad, I'm interested in him going on, it was alright now. So what are the turning points, you know, to make this thing work like that? Because that's the best kind of thing. That's the way to get with an actor or a non-actor, too. 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And it makes them talk more about themselves. But then you've got a different, that must be a different kind of relationship, but even at that, huh? When you know you're in front of the camera and then you're swinging, you know? And you're doing it for the camera. That's another kind of truth, or whatever you want to call it. I don't think it's true. I think it was something else, just another appearance. Because I don' think truth really means anything. Is there more tea?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=3986.46,4021.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e We have a very well-established engine here. It's a very good component.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=4026.129,4033.009"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Did I tell you what happened in this, uh, I'm sorry, I didn't. Did you put the record off? Yeah, I guess I did. Do you want me to keep it off? No, turn it off if you want. Um. 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Have a conversation, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=4074.169,4079.089"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e No? It's a little bit, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=4082.47,4083.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. But this is what you heard? There wasn't? I don't know. 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Whereas a real conversation, which a rioting... On its own to that sort of contact, you know? Everything's just going, ooh, we're both interested. And it's the interest that pulls you along rather than you forcing the thing along to keep it interested. And your participant sort of just going along, you know, talking because it takes care of yourself. THE NORMAL HONOR Willycock, I got very much kind of interview conversation which It works because I knew all the questions happened. And so he thought of me as a bright boy, you know, and he was able to inform me on a lot of things. And I kept posing problems to it. And you knew what to ask him? More or less, yeah. Because I, this whole cinema very tech problem, I've worked out in my own mind quite a bit, you now. But now, I mean, I've gotten enough satisfying answers from other people. 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Because the guy never pretends that he even might have an idea about what is going on in the guy. He just shows you what is happening. And the public knows that he doesn't know more about it than what he is presenting there. What do you mean? 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How so, though? I think before people could be more assertive about values and about things, about certain values and ideas. And now people are more apt to reason if there are any ideas, they will come out of the work. But we don't know anything in advance. We don't anything in advanced about the anti-suggestion. 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Of course he knows this and he has included this in his directing. This is, uh, sometimes he, no, sometimes, he refuses to... To have a complicity with the sectors. And he gives you only outside information and he makes it clear that he doesn't know more about them than we do. 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So he can very well have an interpretation of what happened. But he doesn't have fixed ideas when he starts. I'm not very bright at this moment, but it is a thing we could work out, I think, maybe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=4456.76,4486.309"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it's not a small problem, because it's the whole key problem to tell you, you know. Oh yeah, thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=4486.15,4493.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That in the subtitle of the buying time, just some of the abstract stuff will fall off, eh? Will fall off.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=4494.46,4503.059"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know what you mean, Paul.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=4503.82,4504.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e When we come to a United...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=4505.32,4507.099"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, you mean the underground stuff? Yeah, that's too bad. I didn't realize it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=4509.309,4515.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But couldn't, I didn't know, but couldn't we just leave in one more title?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=4516.36,4521.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, moving into that second, what section is the follow-over? We'll translate some of the other stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=4523.25,4526.809"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Now that's why, maybe one more subject.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=4529.05,4531.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e This is van der Kerk in reading from the Free Netherlands newspaper, page 17, 15th of May of May 1965. This dates way back, doesn't it? Yeah, how do we get it out of the shithouse? Ha ha ha, yeah, we get that out of shithouses. The brus is, uh, Baruchaluk, Blikken, Hit Park.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=4535.5,4554.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Delightful look into the park In the middle of the last year One has been able to read Largely about the young Dutch Filmmaker Frans Weiss it was Then about heroes in a in a rocking chair a film of half an hour That was on the point of coming to Holland as a part of an Italian triptych. But that, badly enough, never has made it, unhappily. In this article I wrote, it seldom happens that when one is looking at the film, at first images one has the feet one has All of a sudden, the jubilant feeling, oh, this is filming. For this enthusiasm came upon me at those first images of heroes in a rocking chair, really. And after this year, I'm still enthusiastic about it. Of course, it is very well possible that in this also some chauvinistic motives have played their role. 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The film is primarily meant to be shown at the National Book Fair. With a premiere on the opening gala. And after that, it will be shown in the cinemas, as it is said. Mastery, of course, doesn't mean masterpiece. That was already included in the subject. Books are, in themselves, uninspiring things and propaganda for reading. Is almost anti-film the commission for the book was a very uh super uh supple commissioner how do you say uh suppo commissioner There was a worked-out idea of Anton Koolhaas that indicated how writers are in search of readers. The video worked out by who? Anton Kcoolhaas is a playwright. And the location of the action was a castle and a castle garden. Weiss has had the liberty to work this out. And he started in doing this from the atmosphere in a painting of Sarah, the French neo-impressionist. A Sunday at the Grand Chateau, a Sunday in the summer at the grand chateau. One Sunday on the island of the Grand Jatt. It's one Sunday, right? The Sunday. 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I read it, I read","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=4827.969,4834.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e No, because it prolongs it, and then it becomes stronger.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=4835.08,4839.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e It's fine. A painting doesn't provoke the same kind of emotion at all. I read you? Yeah, alright.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=4840.969,4846.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e So I talked about the painting by Chirac, and now I go on to the second part. So he based himself on the painting of Seurat, the French neo-impressionist. The painting Un Dimanche à la Grande Jatte, Un Dimange d'été à la grande jatte, Un Dimage sur l'île de la Grande jatte.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=4849.469,4869.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh dear lord.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=4870.2,4870.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e For the rest, it is all the work of Weiss himself, so there is no question of jatte, which means, in Dutch, stealing. La grande jatte.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=4873.299,4883.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Ha ha ha ha!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=4884.84,4885.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Quote, ever since it came out, I have planned to make a film out of Remco Campert's book Life is delicious! Het leven is verrukkelijk! Weiss has said in many interviews, and one will remember that this book starts in the Vondelpark on a Sunday morning. So now we get a quotation, you know, an atmospheric description of the park. I don't think you will need it. Needed. Quote-unquote. That park, Tinkering and Twinkling, and Pointier by Seurat","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=4888.73,4934.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Ha ha ha ha!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=4937.91,4938.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Weiss brings it to life very bright because the black and white, which I expressly stressed earlier, is an understatement. Weiss shows with it, through it, all the happy colors of the park. In this park life... Appear suddenly the writers, somber figures beside, at the side, well dressed, noticed by nobody. This was the assignment of the commission, the book commission, nothing can be done about it. The writers don't even bring in good weather. People withdraw in the castle and they exclude the writers that can look at it through the windows how people do everything with books except reading.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=4939.48,5013.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Great idea. Is this an idea, Brian? What? This is an idea. Some friend of his wrote it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=5016.1,5023.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I call us. No, have the basic idea. They react to this by getting to work in a grandiose scene in the royal library. Writing is a hard job and at the end of every typescript line rings the bell like a cash register and not without result. In the city people are already reading with taste in scenes full of little jokes and in scenes of little joke and uh... Yeah how do you say that uh... Reconforted by this uh... The writers once more go to the castle uh... To see uh... How at least in one young man the will or the desire for reading becomes so big that he breaks away, leaving the door wide open behind him. So you see this guy, this is funny, this guy sees us all in time, you see. It's very funny, he sees this as a story. This happens to the writers, they react and this is the result in the city. And this makes that they come back once more. It's very funny that he sees it in time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=5023.719,5120.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Are you sure? Maybe that was the way it was supposed to be seen. I didn't see it. In any way. These are...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=5121.059,5124.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e These are separate statements, except that they aren't statements.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=5124.25,5128.969"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e People like this where they do this. You've seen cause and effect.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=5129.46,5132.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Maybe it's funny because... This is not a movie critic, this guy, he's a journalist, who is also as a cabaret, which is very, very funny. The guy himself is very very funny, he has very sharp political comments, and he also is on the That Was The Week That Was panel, where he does a pretty good job. He's an interesting guy, but about movies, he doesn't seem to be able to write anything. Okay? You're shit what you're gonna do. Okay, folks, have a good one. This is my version of the story and other spectators will do it differently. Also, the role of the writers can be interpreted in various ways. Man has to leave this to the spectators and also to the readers. This is all an effect of the assignment, or a consequence of the assignments. Literature is not an industrial process. Reading is not a outwardly act. Weiss has had to put up with a meager scheme that has little to do with logic. And he has saved himself out of it he has gotten away with it by making it delicious he uses the same word spectacle spectacular at first in the first place by the rhythm he is not in love with pretty images Just because they are pretty. No, he is not in love with pretty images that just because they are pretty Have to be seen a long time. He tries Neither tries to accentuate sentiments By by pointing at him and besides that because he has a pure sense of atmosphere There were numerous possibilities to have the jokes take the better part, to use all of them, to give them all kinds of stress in order to have success. But they would have... They would have diminished the light-feeted charm, the light atmosphere of the Grand Jatt. The writing scene, for instance, starts with Jan Kramer, who is a very controversial young writer, who attacks suddenly his typewriter, and in the sound we hear Machine gun It must take a lot of self-discipline not to repeat such a thing, unless one is a filmmaker. Like in the same way, it shows an own vision not to use those writers as famous public persons. Okay, we're done. The same way it shows an own vision not to use those writers as well-known public persons. It will be a shame for some people, but nowhere in this film it's who is who in Jat Land. Frans Wijs hasn't done all of this alone, of course. Speaking about heroes in a rocking chair, he has pointed out many times how important it is to him to work with people that like to do the job. His cameraman was Gerard van den Berg, a genial craftsman, also a young Dutchman. But already with a big name abroad. He has given the charm to this park that Weiss wanted. The same narrow cooperation one feels in the montage, Atris Astrid Weimann, and the music, Robert Heppener, that sound as if Weiss hummed it during the directing. This is all terrible shit. The production was in the hands of Jan Vrijman, who had already, who has taken already more young filmmakers under his wings. And To judge on the grand chat has started in with this is so many his so so many And so feels his Tom Jim So many successful career, not his 10th not his 12th.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=5133.28,5503.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e So successful. No, no. Emptym.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=5502.82,5504.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e How do you say it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=5506.18,5506.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e In the end","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=5507.33,5508.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e a really successful career. Altogether is a lot of praise for a short Dutch commanded film, that I admit wholeheartedly. Fantastic. This is fairly interesting because it's so provincial in it. Especially when you translate it, when you run through it very quickly, you say, well, good review. But when you have to translate it with difficulty, you feel that this is provincialism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=5509.08,5541.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Please look for a bench for me, and it's really...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=5542.01,5544.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It's like le courrier de Roubaix, or something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=5543.88,5547.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and I mean he's trying his hardest and everything he says makes it sound terrible, you know. I don't know. I try the one underneath now. That's interesting too, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=5547.78,5562.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Now this is just a report on an evening of scope.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=5563.639,5567.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e On scope, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=5569.309,5570.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e The scope came out in print.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=5570.07,5571.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e And he gives the spirit of scope and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=5571.17,5572.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Scope came out in print, you see. He's the same guy who wrote this. Scope come out in prints. First it was a Romeo, you know. And then it was in print at some editor, and then they failed. Now they found a new editor. The new film magazine in the meantime in its third year has a new publisher. The Busy Bee and Merlenhoff together. The busy Bee is a publisher here who works more like Grove Press, you see. He is the greatest publisher in Holland and he works more or less like Grove press in New York. They publish fine stuff, they publish much. It's a big business. The first issue of this year has been inaugurated Saturday. The magazine states in a redactional piece that the Dutch film all of a sudden has acquired possibilities for the future. Quote, large numbers of scenarios, many more or a fail-filed year, multiplication of those seen in previous year go through the hands of the art council of the government and are realized. New production possibilities show themselves. Film clubs are being A new theater is being opened, a phase breaks through, scope puts itself in the sign of this own phase and indicates the vital traits of it, traces of it. How do you say that? Le tres. The vital trick.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=5573.04,5691.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e How do you develop tricks?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=5692.87,5694.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e The vital trait.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=5695.77,5696.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But what...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=5696.719,5697.059"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Is a symbol of this new face of the Dutch cinema and indicates the vital traits of it. So unquote. This is not all self... Self... How do you say? Self-sufficient. Self-Sufficiency, no?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=5699.32,5717.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=5717.52,5717.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Scope is a magazine that, besides violon d'ingre and small talk like we find in every magazine, gives its attention with much force and fever to film making. This, for instance, is a very, very large difference, which, with the... The Greek film forum, which puts the stress on film looking. This difference, among others, shows itself directly in the documentation. Scope gives the names of cameramen, decor builders, or decorators, music makers, et cetera. Etc. In short, everything. Cretis Film Forum, which is the other magazine, gives besides production and distribution people also the central and catholic film censorship. The Critics Film Forum is edited by recognized critics who sometimes dig deeper into films than in their own daily papers. Scope is filled up by young people with other ideas that are sometimes not, sometimes Alright. Realizable, how do you say it? Realizable. Scope is a magazine which requires interest, otherwise you will do better not to buy it. Scope is due to its multi-colored reduction, often a bunch of contradictions, but in any case very living and crazy enough to act crazy. Their party was then also, it is not surprising that their party was in the cinema Parisien.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=5719.83,5877.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 7:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. This is, you know, so this is, I have to explain, the part here is a theater where they only show, you know, not B pictures, but Z pictures about sex, you see. And so these guys have discovered this, you see. This one of the very... This is the one that happened in the morning. Yeah, this is the kind of people that might not want to be in the video, you know what I'm saying, right? No, no, no. No, this was the kind they did, too. They discovered the B picture. Uh, the, uh, the speaker was Phil Wilberhauser, the boss of the Bazy B. He said, Scope, uh is amazing, uh that he occupies himself with the better film and also with the worse film. In short, with film. This guy is quite funny. The funny guy is the boss of it. He is kidding. No, yeah, he's kidding. He's kidding all the time, is that it? And so, we managed, with the help of young Simon and helpful Kamper, to get the DCB and Merlin off to publish the magazine. We immediately, we decided to nominate him as the advertisement acquisitor. I believe that with that cinema, it would be possible that it could go in the right direction. This is what the guy said, you see. Something very, you know, it could be possible it could possibly go in right direction, you say. This is he said. In the numbers to come, among others, an interview with Holland's greatest talent, Franz Weiss. Hello, Franz. And with Eddie Constantine. Applause. And he said some more things which I wasn't interested in. About the program, about the program they were showing. And this is all about the program, you see? Because obviously they showed some more or less shitty films which got some functionalised pop-up, see? In this context. You see? No, there's a film about Judo. And it was a Japanese film about judo. And of course it couldn't interest anybody. But, you know, just to look at a weird thing like this. You see, it all came. Okay, that's all I wanted to tell you. That's all about you, though, isn't it? But now I need to do something. Obviously, the press record is vital. Absolutely vital, actually. I referred an analyst. Have you said the numbers in the second article, too? What's the first name? It is. How do you spell that? It is, A-I-N-U-S. F-E-R-B-I N-A-M-D-U S-S-E. Thank you very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=5878.389,5985.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it was interesting to hear that, because it really indicates an attitude, you know? General, you see what's... Pretty much the attitude of the general critic has been, hasn't it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=5987.42,5995.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That's mean to be with it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=5996.33,5997.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e with vice. Jump on the bandwagon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=5998.17,5999.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e To be hip.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6000.84,6001.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e And on this whole thing, I hope he asks me tomorrow why I didn't do it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6002.83,6005.549"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I think Lappara must not like it very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6006.879,6011.459"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But I mean, it'll be a good chance, you see. I can read.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6011.76,6015.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you see, oh, for your interview.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6018.99,6021.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I am.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6022.02,6022.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It might be interesting to see their films.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6024.28,6025.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e What you tell me sounds interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6027.35,6028.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I would like them to see it. Also, I miss it, you see, all the time. But so what is funny, you see, is that this is a kind of esoterism, you see, in the film thing. For instance, no, I don't put the... Oh, you have the tape on. That's all right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6029.29,6050.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e You know what it strikes me is, it reminds me of the time I was five years old and we all used to go out and take our pants off and look at each other, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6056.959,6064.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Mhm","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6064.809,6064.809"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e That's what it reminds me of. That's what Franz Weiss's film reminds me, that's what the whole critical attitude is. Everybody going out behind the garage, smoking cigarettes, and taking their pants off, and dancing around.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6065.32,6082.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Very funny.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6092.51,6092.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Make it a film.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6094.4,6094.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But still there are two things going, you see, because I don't know if this is wishful thinking, but you get one thing which is the official criticism, and then you get another thing which is people who have no official position, you know, but who don't run so hard for the film. I noticed that, you can see. So don't No, just like guys like Ira, for instance, who said, well, of course, I don't know. And this is a fantastic attitude. I don' t know much about film. He was more or less ashamed of saying this. I don t know anything about film, you know, but well, I thought, it is not as good as that. And this also an attitude I found with many people. That they find, if I take myself as an antithesis to this stuff, that they find this kind, what I'm doing, much better.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6095.03,6156.459"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e You said something, I don't know, I sense that it's film and I can't explain why more than, why it's more film than Franz Weiss. I just think that...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6157.41,6165.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, but it's just...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6165.28,6166.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I just have the feeling it's this. Here's the thing, having seen the Apple Exposition, and having seen these other guys that copied Apple.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6166.059,6175.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Mm-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6175.92,6175.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Whether you're painting realist, or what, or whether you're doing abstract expressionism, or co-breadth, what's your position? You have to have the knack for the tension, as you'd call it. The tension in the color, the tension in spatial arrangements. To play it once, so to say. Uh, Apple, the better way, yes. There was some of the stuff on the table, I don't know if you saw it, it was more of calligraphy, calligraphic, calligraphy, and it was right. It was right because you sensed that everything depended of everything else, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6181.09,6223.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6223.15,6223.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e And the space became alive in an entity. Rene does Merriam-Basin. The temporal space.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6223.98,6233.969"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6234.809,6235.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Becomes an entity and it works you hate it or you don't I are you think it's an end or the voice sounds issue, but you come out saying, yes, you know, this is an artist, but with Franz Weiss, what do I see? 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I mean, this idea about kind of pure visual beauty, you know, I had it when I, and they sound shitty, but, I hadn't when I was 15 or 14. I tried to make beautiful photos.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6269.57,6296.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But now, you see, what you're talking about is why we, as people who depend on reality as our material, or life around us as our materials, you're taking about a different school here. No, no, not the school. No, that's not the School. I think that this esthetism is fine if somehow we use sense. The man who has the spatial relationship behind it, you know, this temporal-spatial phenomena. 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I think there is a strong sense of a reality in the painting of Apple, this is not a joke. And vice, there's just no sense of reality, he has never posed himself a question of how people live together and all that shit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6361.54,6397.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e What you see in Apple is really, if you can get down to the basic things, is a sense of spatial relationships, even in his improvisational stuff. Which grew out of, you know, the period, 1950, 1956.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6398.07,6413.139"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Mm-hmm","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6413.7,6413.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e where he was working on the parts that you didn't like as much. He was studying spatial relationships, practically. 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Where every, well the freeform has this, nevertheless, always has a sense of rightness somewhere in a kind of underneath structure. If you go back in time in Apple's, in Apple development, you see structural studies and a sense of constantly, when you place that thing, it continues attention, you know. 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And they use this a lot, tension. Well I think that's the perfect thing. They say also tense, tense painting. Well, nice tense painting, like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6467.45,6482.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But I think it's the perfect word to describe what we're after, really. Yeah, and then rise is no tension, right? When you talk about balance, balance is a static word. You talk about, see, this balances that. 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I think that the word balance is a word that grows out of our language, but does not have any real application in art. Art is art being kind of constantly a dynamic process. And I think really what we're talking about has to do with, the word balanced just doesn't mean it. It means if you place that, it balances this. And so then everything comes to rest. But that's not what we're talking about. We're talking things that activate all the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6517.379,6551.469"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but... Balance means rest, you see. Yeah, what it has to do is rest. But I don't think we're resting. No, but it has do. I think... Ah shit, I don't know, but no, I think you have a balance element and other elements which go against this balance, against this given symmetry or equilibrium and which just screw up enough, the thing, for us to strive towards a new balance, you see, and what's happening then is tension, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6553.12,6595.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think that the balance is not in the painting, but is in the man's mind. This is the one thing I was noticing today, was that, and also I noticed it in your photo over there of the people in Sardinia, in this kind of bullfight ring where they've been dancing, and you've got the two guys in black jackets in the foreground center, just to the right of center. He's a sort of splitting center, and they have these white shirts, these two dashes, just down, you know? And then these three guys, which balance it over there, who have white shirts open on, with no jackets, and then they're dark pants. And then this one guy over here, you've got, actually, you got a tremendous amount of tension in here, see? Uh, going on constantly, because first, no one is perfectly placed on dead center. No one is placed on any of the subsidiary centers. Everyone is just cutting the difference, and so it constantly keeps the photo alive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6595.66,6653.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6654.02,6654.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e And, in a sense, this is what we've been talking about, or trying to talk about, when we talked about tension in the photo. And when we talk about it last time, you kept talking about material elements. You kept saying things like, I saw the criss-crosses of the chairs, and this contrasted to the fleshy meatiness of the person sitting in the corner. Yeah, but there's also a tension. It is an element of tension. But the real thing is, what makes your 14th of July photo... 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Like your blue and green t-shirt here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6701.23,6707.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But I think in that particular case, tension would come from the contrast of the structure of the chairs or the texture of the chair.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6709.299,6721.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e It wouldn't have come if you didn't place it somewhere visually, visually!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6722.28,6727.139"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Significant.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6729.6,6729.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e The material itself, the material can only work, no, because, because","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6730.23,6738.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, that's not true, because the chairs have also a shape of themselves, and the shape means that it is put out in space somewhere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6737.209,6748.209"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But material doesn't really determine this placement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6748.28,6752.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, not there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6753.53,6754.209"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Can this materialize? I think, yeah, I don't know, all this stuff, yeah. But not the material.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6755.299,6758.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, no, the shape indicates the texture in that wall. Well, it is very, very important in the picture. If that would be, let's say, a cement wall or just a modern building behind it, or just the neutral surface behind it. A smooth surface. I think your attention would be fucked up altogether. 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They tell us something, we get a feeling about our immediate reaction, if you say, react to this photo, just to react about the anecdotial aspect. These three, these six guys who are at this dance or whatever, you know, and we get some sort of feeling about them, and a feeling that they're alive, and So what I guess I'm saying is that somehow, between the anecdote and the material you've got, that is to say the texture and the special tensions, you have to have some sort of relationship. Do you feel that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6812.91,6880.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It's all the same, it goes all in the same.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6882.799,6884.799"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e In order to make the anecdote That's sort of the substance of the kind of thing I want to put in the book about photographing. That there's this complicity between the etiquette now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6886.57,6901.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I think the anecdote is the thing you have to overcome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6905.129,6907.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But do you think it's necessary that it be there? I hate you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6909.49,6911.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you have to accept it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6912.07,6913.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e You don't believe, like Madame Lagrange, that you should get rid of the anecdote.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6913.42,6918.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, because that is aestheticism also. I think the main problem of art is to reconciliate the anecdote with the forms that are in your mind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6918.99,6933.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Why must you reconcile with that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6934.379,6935.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And I think this is the main error of Weiss, that he has some hollow forms in his brain and the anecdote, which is his confrontation with reality is absent. So the anecdote takes on a very large sense of course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6935.809,6954.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e In his film, is that it? No, in the...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6955.809,6956.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/299","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, the anecdote, in my view, is all which is there to screw up our notions about perfect art.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6956.49,6966.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/300","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e So what place do you think it plays? It isn't there just to screw things up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6969.45,6974.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it's a fighting element in the image.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6976.2,6983.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But don't you think that the anecdote has to be there to the degree that it allows us to relate to it. And it's the way, but then the formal aspects must be there back it up. I was thinking that even Apple, Apple has almost never abandoned an anecdote. No. Except in that one period, you notice, but what, about 58 through 60. 58 through sixty, you very, you vaguely saw anecdotal aspects of things. Vaguely, vaguely. But, and for the most part things have become what you'd call abstract expressionism. You know? We're answering some questions you took out. Up till about 58, and then after, after 60, he got, he was back with the Antico again. I mean, he's back with his cat. Or actionistic expression, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=6984.059,7046.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/303","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, but I think the antidote should stay there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7052.03,7055.469"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/304","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Is that what you think? You know, a lot of people in taking paysage are looking for a kind of elimination of the anecdote. And then of course, what's your name? Why is it then that a photograph like what's his name? Duano?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7057.95,7079.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, this is the mere anecdote without any form. This is the anecdote without an attitude towards it. But I found out, I'm not very articulate now with all this brandy going on, but I found out, or I found I realized once more in talking to you, that my feeling about things is mainly dialectical. And so the anecdote is one fighting and one fighting thing and now in our sense of form our sense of giving shape to things is the other, the opponent, and from the clash of these two things comes a work of art or comes a piece of work which is moving or interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7079.959,7136.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I've always felt that, you know, I'd see abstract art, and if there wasn't even the slightest hint of suggestive anecdote, you know, I have this friend, Dick Tamsudan, who's a painter, who I think is a very interesting painting in the States, he only uses shapes which suggest, are suggestive, but nonetheless they suggest things, you meaningful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7140.09,7170.059"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/307","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but even in an abstract painting you may put the anecdote in it yourself, but you need it as another element of identification. That's it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7171.08,7182.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/308","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e It seems to me that poetry is not poetry, until it suddenly suggests something in the real world, which is the key, then, for transposition. Because if it isn't transposed, it is no longer poetry. You know what I mean? Is this what I meant? And I've had that watching abstract art so much. I prefer pop art because it's much more poetic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7183.95,7208.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/309","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Bye-bye.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7209.92,7209.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/310","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, part-part, suddenly...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7210.47,7211.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/311","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, but it's a very limited, yes, but pop art, it's very limited mechanism, I think. Because there you take the anecdote and you take one step back from it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7212.73,7226.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/312","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But you're doing well. And we're doing film with Popeye.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7229.16,7231.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/313","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no. No, but you add things, still. You are connecting things. You add things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7232.34,7238.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/314","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e We're being very dangerous talking about pop-up, because it's so...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7238.48,7241.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/315","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, but it's a significant thing. I think pop art is an easy solution, you see. It's just, what they do is tie two things together and never more, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7241.41,7250.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/316","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I found it interesting to the degree that It is a turning back upon our culture.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7252.91,7259.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, but first I must... The technique is not at all new. The technique is dada, eh? Or...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7260.77,7266.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Some of it's data, some of it is strictly 1930s realism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7267.5,7272.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/319","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7272.92,7272.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e The technique you can't even talk about, it's just imitating.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7274.37,7276.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e The technique is nothing. So what's interesting behind it is the mentality. And what is the difference between, for instance, Dada and Pophard, is that Dada wanted to destroy the forms, the expressions of society. He wanted to annihilate it, in order to find some truth behind it. And Pophard goes along with it. Oppa, this is a kind of super expression of this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7277.98,7306.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e So does that glorification.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7306.27,7306.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/323","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It's a glorification. At least, no, not a glorfication, it is just an acceptance. These are the forms of our society and we don't comment upon them, we just show them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7307.5,7317.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e We just showed them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7317.35,7317.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e So it's only the attitude behind it which is interesting, but not the creative act, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7319.09,7324.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But then you just have a great attitude and a great effect. What you just said is the conventional attitude of painting, of course, is that there is an action and there's, you know, with ability and so forth. Actually, you're doing something that corresponds to what one might have reproached Apple at 15, 20 years ago, being a dessinateur.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7327.06,7347.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/327","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no, because the results are very, very meager, you see. 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There is a different attitude, okay, but what do these guys have to say? Very few things, I think. They have made one consultation, which is that society is getting quite fucked up and quite mechanical, and so they take all the items of this mechanical world. And they enlarge them, or they take them out of context. So you can take a tie, or you can take a neon sign, and you can go on quite a long time. But I think once you have made this point, it would have been fine to make one show of pop art and then stop it, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7368.62,7415.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/330","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7416.27,7416.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Because there's no real, there's not real constant, how could you say, there is no voice in time behind it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7416.8,7426.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/332","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e You don't feel that the artist's expression is of particular importance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7428.2,7434.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/333","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It's not open to it. It's a it's of its provincial is more so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7435.51,7439.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/334","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Why? It's a leech.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7441.37,7442.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/335","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It's of local interest.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7442.35,7443.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/336","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e And what about the cameraman, the photographer, who is actually selecting moments?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7444.54,7449.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/337","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I think a guy like Robert Frank pointed out all this in his book, if you can look, but he showed much more of what I would call the American soul. When I have seen this book, for me it's not at all necessary to see pop art, which doesn't mean that I'm against it, I like it, it's nice, it was a good idea, a good gimmick, to paint one drawing of a comic strip, to enlarge it two by two meters, very nice idea. Maybe it would be nice to have it in your house as a piece of decoration, but what Robert Frank does, he takes that, this feeling, this attitude, and he relates it to something else which is the anecdote, which is to live in reality. Because in enlarging it that much, they have destroyed the anecdote.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7451.16,7519.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/338","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e You think they've turned it into something formal. Well, but it's not in the sense that... It's not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7521.1,7525.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/339","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It doesn't hit anybody, it doesn't make anybody change his mind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7525.27,7531.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/340","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I was at the Marlin Art Museum before I came over and I saw a thing by, I don't know if it was Warhol or Rauschenberg or whatever, but there was a parking meter, it was a painting, an exact painting of a parking meter, but it was terrific in a way. I can't say that, I wouldn't say the guy's a great artist for having done it, but the fact that he distanced the parking meter. He made us look at it as an object. I mean as an art object, this is fantastic, because in a sense, what he's saying is that our world around us is also worthwhile considering, and in a sense what he is saying is Our world is no longer just the parking meter, but it's also the information about a parking meter, if you know what I mean. What Pop Art is saying is that this environment... Parking meters, hamburgers, camel soup cans, eat signs, comic strips, is all a part of of our environment. It's all part of the things influencing us, and in fact, they are no longer influencing us. They are a part of a past. We are conserving them. And that what is now our environment is the conservation of these things, such as films become part of our environment, or TV. I read a book, Marianne Marshall McClellan, called Understanding Media. His thesis is that all environment... Is made up, has for its content. Uses as content the environment of the past. And he said, for instance, the Renaissance used for content, the medieval age. Uh... And that the machine age, that is to say the 19th century, the end of the 19 century and the early 20th, used for its environment the agricultural age beforehand.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7531.66,7695.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/341","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e How do they use it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7697.53,7698.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/342","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Malays, the Angeles, and things like that, you know, for its art. And that our age... Which is basically an age of information he says our environment is an environment of information is using the old environment that is to say machines things like that as a part of its art We are growing at it and we're becoming a communicative environment. That's very simple.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7699.63,7738.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/343","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e What is a communicative environment? What does that mean?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7740.99,7744.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Television, radio, newspaper. We are living in a world...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7745.17,7751.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e We still have.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7751.8,7752.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/346","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. But we are living in a world which is much more effective, I mean, which is really a world of just information. We have become, in this day and age, data processes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393#t=7752.44,7766.3"}]},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141810/file/262393/transcript/79652/annotation/347","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/079/652/original/trint_Coll458_jb0061_VanDerKeuken_02_transcript.vtt?1747153804","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/079/652/original/trint_Coll458_jb0061_VanDerKeuken_02_transcript.vtt?1747153804"}]}]}]}