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And and and and and then you know Jen. No no no I think she, I think he everything I've been I've been listening that you know who was it. Just that. Yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=6.3,21.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e It's me. No no no Richard that you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=22.08,24.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e You just kicked into it. But, I mean, I don't need any of that. Oh, you have to include me or anything for. I know he's friend of my husband. No, I'm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=24.75,33.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm I'm going to do the thing that he's traveling.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=35.19,38.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e For me. That traveling around and someone else. And we're not very like snow. Yeah. We're like what? We have it. It's boiling. Ready to boil?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=38.76,49.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What? Have we not said anything?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=49.8,50.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e I can walk around for so that it's not for fun. For both.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=54.24,57.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But that last is great. I mean, the, like the idea or the or the denial pill gate or the other denial.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=57.99,63.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But then that. So it's a sort of being in Yang. I'm only saying that because you. But yeah. Chang said he had a take. But of everybody, you know, you desire publicity. You want to be recognized for what you do and then you want, but you know, and you don't want people to ask you to make speeches about it. I mean, as far as I'm concerned, I hate that, you know, the kneecaps. The mayor's was like going around, you know, instead of giving talks. 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And I really think that you'd have the.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=93.25,95.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I mean, I don't mind working with people, you know, teaching them something, but I hate giving, you know, giving talks. And so you have the thing, the whole thing between wanting to be recognized, probably wanting to be recognized more because other people are being recognized who deserve it last. You know, it's a sort of perverted sense of that. A patty lays out film the test or whatever it might be. City and that. You party of the city, it. 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No no, it. I live in a society where wit isn't appreciated, that's for sure. I mean, it's a shame, because I just find how blessed we Americans are. You know, I think there's many witty Americans, but they don't have to work in the film business. There's people with great 18th century wit in the United States. It's the thing which always fascinates me. Why 18th century? I don't know, because the Americas of two, the sort of 20th century California. And yet people who don't belong to that. I was in the National Gallery today, and it was just the most fantastic shot. 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I thought it was a hippie when he came here. How do you criminalize aged Amish guy. And I thought, what a beautiful shot. And I was in the Italian paintings, which I have, you know, Renaissance in period. And there was this Amish guy. But so that's sort of in a sense 18th century. It's actually 19th if you want to be literal. I mean, there was a beautiful confusion there, but it was a beautiful confusion. But the thing is, I was delighted in the various there's so much debate in the West to witty Americans in sort of 18th century patrician wit. The rest is wisecrack, you know, which is sort of proletarian 20th century the wisecrack. But there's that. But witty people don't look at the film. Where did you pick up your wit? I don't know, you don't pick up the comes from you. You're not born to it. I mean, everybody's born to, you know, to I mean, some one man's sardonic another. 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And I had to remove the necessary from your family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=228.14,232.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e That is the.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=233.34,233.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Reason we don't have it isn't because we're less.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=235.04,236.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Intelligent or less. No, no, it's nothing to do those things, you know? I mean.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=236.87,240.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but we're not exposed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=240.56,241.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Here. I mean, why did coming.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=242.12,243.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Out and Adrian and and the Any interest in that? Just.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=243.89,247.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, it's probably because I say things to them. I know within a high school, you know, maybe pheromones within the family, I suppose. My father can make run home. But was it your father? I don't know, you know, I don't know. You have no idea. It was a, you know, an old grandmother, I suppose. But what is it? Is a formal way of life, of protecting yourself within a society. You know, if you take periods of history. Well, which has been important, they've always been rather decadent periods of society with formalized. And it's been a way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=247.58,278.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e Of protecting oneself. You know, simple, open people don't go anywhere where they don't have to. They're honest and good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=278.39,287.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But I think. 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You know, it's just fashionable here because the Milan hasn't bitten into the society yet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=295.76,311.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And don't you find that your your.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=312.84,314.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Devotion to wit and you're a bit devoted to. Well, I'm in Europe. I make fun of. I couldn't find it here anymore. Like you, I can go down there bricks because you say them to some guy, and an hour later he's realized he's been insulted or thinks he's been insulted. Instead of accepting it and being able to kick it back to the level of the television. Well, that was a blast. What was that? You can only insult the man to the level of my father. When? Morning when I woke up. News the crack me, I mean, but I do you do to amuse yourself or do you do? Well, how did you get that one? To amuse? I just comes to my mind. Just like that. I mean, came to me when we were sitting around the table. Oh, it's like when we were drinking and and coke. And I've been talking to you the night before and said, you've got to do the Navy Chapel, get married, which I love. You should take it up as well. Now, I think this is great. I mean, what about I can get cocaine to do it? Now that's just beautiful, the whole thing. And then I was shouting as I woke up with my hangover. It can only be Arlington that I can work. Oh yeah, I'm used to it and I bet you appreciate it. So I'm in it. Then it starts to go back and forth. But if you work with people who doesn't, who don't have. But it's very you can appreciate it. But then when you can't reciprocate, you just feel you so would listen. I never felt.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=315.96,389.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e Like I came away feeling I had no sense of humor, no what? 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I had this back, but it's no improvement coming back. Oh, no. No, it's kind of weird. Yeah, but I mean very adequately. But it's, it's it has to be a two way thing. If it's a one way thing, all you're doing is and we're our own amusement because the other person doesn't realize it. That's interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=406.86,427.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But this said, I find a quite a relationship between use of wit and lack of commitment. Whereas people today with commitment don't have.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=428.04,437.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Wit with a lugubrious rebellion. I don't think you can afford it. I think you have. In the modern world where somebody maybe, I don't know, sitting in either Moscow, Washington, I'm not certain which, you know. 25 keys in a large green machine made by IBM or a bicycle, or the equivalent value, which only means the way twice as much as, you know, maintaining five keys and pressing a button, you've got to keep your options open. You know, you I thank you very much on this sort of thing of floating up down in the Bosphorus. Someday, maybe even with what you've got and all these people with commitment. If the, if I keep on using the word and this is again here they because they never read that they never read the text. The Bible is I keep on going the gathering these swine when Christ cast out the devils, or the devil, and the man and the devil said, where the devil said, where can we go? Can we go to the head of swine? And he said, yes. And that was when I just wanted to be rushed into the Sea of Galilee and drowned themselves. You know, the gathering swine is just the most wonderful metaphor for modern civilization, because people rush this way and they rush down to drown yourselves. Not like the lemmings in a sense. You know. Lemmings is another because they follow a lead on the lemmings. The lemming. You know, in the valley where I live in reality mythology, every ten years the lemmings in Norway rush to the sea and drown themselves. So many of the lemmings, a sort of rodent like a squirrel. Oh the lemmings!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=437.35,522.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e How do you spell lamb?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=523.36,524.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e One time I come down and look at that thing. But it says like a lemming. It's an inescapable quotation. The lemmings are following a leader, you know, leading lemon. But the gathering is fine altogether. Pam. You know Sam, that's the gathering. This way. I know it's sln fairly tough, you know, kicking polo and everything. Well, you're not just about swinging. I don't know what's going on there. Yeah. Aslan? Yes. Yeah. Well, you look at it like I was talking about about, you know, the schools were, you know, and so touched there on the news, you know. Okay. Well, we call it. That's a pity. That's terrible. But I mean, you know, there's a gathering, you know, a wash up rush off that. Hey, you know, it's this when politically it goes to saying.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=525.04,572.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, then back to our a little bit where we started with about the committed Negro blacks in the whites and the white leftists.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=574.67,581.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Same thing. Did they wonder, was so committed to bloody causes that I'll have a pause for thought somewhere. And everybody's it's fashionable now because it's a whole project of mass literacy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=582.17,594.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you find the commitment, the commitment to never make a film? Or would you say commitment can make a film?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=595.16,600.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But I don't think it. My God, look. Look at all the dreary bits and go down. You assume he's in a committed sort of French Marxist, which means some sort of wooly, wooly thinking. But I mean, what are the various parts of his films. Those guys giving you bits of fun out, staring at the camera in the garbage truck, the nepro, you know, his remarks, all that sociological political thing. Yeah. Mr. Lee's pulling that out. A weekend of the dreariest things. And yet that's really his commitment. He probably thinks that's the most important thing he's saying. That's the part, you know, is that as human as Simone de Beauvoir, or when the Webbs all got in love with the Soviet Union or Carl Sandburg, you know, mighty Chicago muscle, but it's all really that stuff, that sort of business, because it's nothing to do with that. I don't think, cos I'm pretending to do what I wouldn't have had to do, though. I mean, why not? Because it's nothing to do and it has nothing to do with that. Wicked people make art. So I'm a great artist, a horrible, nasty people and just found in their beds and that's, you know, they kill people or had been assassinated and things. What about you write this down. Yeah. When you see a film by how you think sort of packing up and going away, the hell with it, you know, why should you be able to make a film again? I mean, if I could make one thing, it's like she could make and track and the will talk about control and commitment. You know, there was commitment, control in the whole works, but she had that behind it. Yeah. Fantastic. Well, I mean, that's what I call documentary. But you can't have the. Will you sit there and you're overwhelmed. You really are technically.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=601.13,698.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But you documentary then as far you've not really related to a kind of secular like daily truths, but to getting it something out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=699.78,712.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think she got at something and she got to it. I think the truth in her film is not the truth about Hitler or anything. It's the truth about the incredible visual things, you know, really visual things can say. It's a sort of perhaps some truth, but it's the artistry of appealing to the eye and the senses, you know, very real way. And But there was an artist of commitment. But who had taste. But have you seen any good films and hearing bomb films? Was that English guy Peter Watkins? How do you make shitty stuff? You know, war games and things. I mean, why would you disagree? It's a shitty, I guess. You know, I just really think it's him. It's only because he made it about that subject. As soon as he made a subject for privilege, which didn't have that knowing he wasn't. You know, you see, I think is a very minor, top loaded sociopath. But, boy, you know this. He comes out because of time and in people talking about commitment. And I'm a believer in Sarah Connor. Louisiana is a promise and I keep telling people to read it. How do you spell the name? Sarah Connolly, Esquire I don't see why most people go through what it's about when they say, I could never set for square. Only with you. I don't even think they're cute. I never like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=713.82,787.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=788.11,788.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Cyril Connolly comes to you in an AA double, a double life. Connolly wrote these essays during the Spanish Civil War, which are published in the States. Okay. And I was discussing and finding that for somebody here in Washington the other night got enemies of promise, all the things that destroy an artist money, sex, success, political commitment, commercial commitment, trying to write the best seller, you know, trying to make a political polemic because he's an artist, he feels he must go out and make an anti-war film because he doesn't believe in war. And then when he's done all that is political commitment, there's no more art left. Oh, he's got no more time left. And I think this is a real plus here. People feel they ought to make a war to help the black, you know, I mean, sort of something about the blacks and the whites.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=788.98,836.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Rather than really reacting to themselves.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=838.0,839.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e To themselves in their art, whatever their art has, if their art happens to say that non-person.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=840.13,845.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But you wouldn't deny that their art might say something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=846.4,848.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e So absolutely it might. It might be their art. But the point the people who feel that up to this is commitment. I am a filmmaker and all the things I don't like. I don't like war. I don't like poverty. Therefore I ought to make films against war and poverty because of my commitment. But I know this is not my interest. Making films against war and poverty. And I think it is dangerous, I really do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=848.86,869.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And you feel that if you were committed to making the film.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=870.11,873.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm forcing my art into a model that may not suited. It might suit 1 or 2 people. So I happen to write great sociological novels and it all worked. But if but you've seen all that socialist realism of the sort of writing of the 20s in the 30s in English or painting the Soviet Union, how much good paintings come out of the Soviet Union, you know? But their best writing has not been committed writing. But sometimes it's been committed in a sense, like sonnets. And, you know, the 20, was it or Gorky or oh, Gorky or.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=873.74,904.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e This was the things that happened on their.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=904.62,905.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Own. Yeah. But I mean, this is like, you know, it was a sort of part of themselves. But I also think of the commitment is that what is something that you feel ought to be a part of yourself? And I think commitment lies within the political sphere. The social actions. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=905.99,920.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It's whatever it happens to take without you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=920.45,922.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Without our actors who who you could say. But I don't know how much was done here, you know, committed to social change. He may have been he was appalled. He did all those drawings. The London poor, you know, those dirty etchings of the late 19th century Delica guy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=922.76,938.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, the horrors of war.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=939.83,940.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, this is this works. And this was their showing. You know, this is their thing, the thing. But I can't imagine Renoir in commitment. The painter painting terrible things of the Franco-Prussian War. Say, can you imagine going out like a modern artist saying, I'm going to put to show the brutality of the Franco-Prussian War, the commune. He was, you know, he would have been destroyed. You know, he had to destroy his economy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=942.17,964.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e Says that's nothing to do. Doesn't mean you don't have political views or speak up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=965.48,971.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e We must.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315#t=972.62,972.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141781/file/262315/transcript/76671/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Go on. Must go. That's great. 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