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Her grandparents had emigrated from Russia and she had extended family in the area. She remembers a \"sweet suburban life\" growing up. While in high school and college, Judy knew about lesbians and gays, but otherwise was unaware. She recalls significant historical events of her childhood: The televised McCarthy hearings, the Cuban Missile Crisis, the assassination of President Kennedy. Judy studied psychology in college at SUNY-Buffalo. In 1964 she remembers SNCC marches and registering African Americans to vote. After college in 1968, Judy moved to Manhattan, where she became further politicized. While working for the City of New York, Judy participated in the anti-war movement, and became a feminist. She did consciousness-raising groups, and became interested in lesbian relationships. She felt positive about affecting change, working towards peace and justice, sharing resources, and \"smashing the patriarchy\" and capitalism. She became a Maoist and had dreams of going to China to help the people achieve their goals. In 1972, she spent three months traveling around the United States in a \"hippie van\" with her boyfriend. They stopped in Eugene, where Judy joined the lesbian community and became very involved. Judy discusses community politics, culture, and spirituality in Eugene. She worked at Jackrabbit Press and Starflower Natural Foods \u0026amp; Botanicals. She discusses the purpose and mission of Starflower and the eventual demise of the co-ops in Eugene. Judy was a part of self-defense and Amazon Kung Fu. She discusses the anti-gay political ballot measures. Judy was diagnosed with breast cancer and discusses her experience with medical care and the powerful circle of friends who helped her at that time. She concludes her interview by discussing aging, retirement, and the possibilities of residential retirement communities.\n\nKey terms: Baleboostehs; Black Panther Party; Cooperatives; collectives; Cormier, Margaret; Cormier, Thomas; Detroy, Susan; Gibbons, Jane; Glass, Charlie; Glass, Debbie; Growers Market; Marxism; Non-monogamy; Riviera Room; Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (U.S.); Thompson, Kate; Trucking; Vietnam War, 1961-1975  --  Protest movements  --  United States"]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Judy Goldstein (Interviewee)","Judith L. 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The interviewers are Linda Long, Curator of Manuscripts in the UO Library's Special Collections and University Archives, and Professor Judith Raiskin of the UO Department of Women's, Gender, and Sexuality Studies. Judy, please let us know if you agree to be recorded for this project, and that you give your permission for the University to preserve and make available your recorded and transcribed interview.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=15.51,50.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: I do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=50.39,51.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Thank you. Let's start with a basic question. Please tell us when and where you were born, where you grew up, and something about your early background.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=51.42,59.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: I was born on December 12, 1946 in Manhattan, New York.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=61.13,67.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Apparently, it was a very snowy day. And my parents, we then moved to Queens, and then did the big move east—it was kind of the opposite of what I did when I moved to Oregon—to Long Island. And I grew up in Long Island, in Roslyn Heights. And I'm the oldest of three children. I have a brother and a sister who are, obviously then, younger.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=68.47,102.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was a development, we lived in a development that was built by Levitt, of the famous Levittown fame, but it wasn't Levittown.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=102.21,112.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kind of a few iterations after. Pretty sweet suburban life. One of my mother's sisters lived next door to us, and so my cousins were there. We rode bicycles wherever, played in our front yards and our backyards and the driveways.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=113.57,136.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If I took a fall on the sidewalk, I remember this one time, other neighbors that I didn't necessarily know would come out and bandage me up and walk me home. It felt very safe. It was very white, and it was predominantly Jewish.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=136.81,154.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was your temperament as a kid?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=154.58,158.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: I was happy. I was happy. I felt loved. I don't know. I liked school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=159.73,173.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had after school activities, and life seemed really sweet. My parents were liberals, and actually, my father's family— my parents are first generation Americans. All my grandparents emigrated from Russia in the early 1900s, through Ellis Island.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=173.88,202.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And my father's family were involved with the Bund in Russia, which was a socialist organization. There is a story that wasn't told often, or referred to, but I know that my father was arrested in a socialist march in New York in the '30s, and it almost prevented him from passing the bar.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=206.72,236.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But we were raised more as liberal Jews, and I do remember— I don't know if this is when we first got a television set, because my cousins next door had one before we did, but we had one for the McCarthy hearings, and I was allowed to stay in the room if I didn't say a word. And it was really serious. They were very upset, of course, I'd say.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=238.05,268.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Did they know any of the people who were brought up before HUAC?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=268.44,273.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Personally?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=274.15,274.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=274.78,275.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: I don't think so. I don't think so, but they were well aware of the subtleties and non-subtleties of what was happening. I don't remember going to marches or protests with my parents. I do remember that my high school was— the football team, and my circle I guess, weren't the big heroes, but there were kids that went on SNCC marches, and older kids. This was a junior/senior high school. And those were the heroes to me and other of my colleagues.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=275.35,326.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: So, during the civil rights movement?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=326.3,327.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Right, right. I went to a state school in New York for college. There was no question about college, in my mind or my parents' minds, and I went to the State University of New York at Buffalo, SUNYAB, when I was seventeen. It was the best state school at the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=327.2,355.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you go with friends? I'm trying— your social scene in high school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=355.03,361.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Oh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=361.12,361.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was that like? And did you have to leave things behind?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=361.89,365.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Very connected, lots of girlfriends and boyfriends. And it was very hard to leave my high school boyfriend. He went off to Wisconsin, and I went off to Buffalo. I think I wrote him letters often on femme-y stationery and bought books of poetry to copy into the letters. But, thinking about this interview and what I was doing, I did register voters in Buffalo, that very first semester there. This would be the fall of '64.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=365.92,407.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I just remember being— I must've gone downtown. We went to an area of town that was predominantly Black, African American, and I must've gone there with people, but I was definitely on these floors by myself. And I felt a bit brave, but I felt it was doing the right thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=410.31,432.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What did you study in college?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=438.33,439.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Oh, psychology. I went in thinking maybe French or mathematics, and before the first term was over, I knew those weren't going to be my majors. I wound up majoring in psychology. It was the course that didn't feel like doing homework. It felt like it was just fun to study, so that's where I studied.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=439.59,465.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was a plan at some point to go on to graduate school, but it never happened. I did— well, sometime later, when I moved back to New York City, which is what I thought was the center of the universe at the time, literally, I checked out Hunter College and I took a class at the New School for Social Research, which I think is still in existence. But I never pursued furthering my education formally.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=466.85,504.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: In high school and college, did you know anything about lesbians, or any language or crushes or anything?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=505.01,513.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: No, I would say, except this really negative thing about— something people were teased about, something like, if you wore green and yellow on Thursdays, you were lesbian. And it was like, \"Giggle giggle,\" but I kind of knew what it meant. I knew what it meant, but not really. And in college, I was still very focused on guys. I do remember though, when I was the very end of my last term, a senior, people knocking on the door of where I was living to interview me for a friend who was wanting to be in the Peace Corps. She had to be interviewed by the FBI, and one of the things they asked me was if she was a lesbian, if she were a lesbian, and I was like, \"Well, what a horrible thing to say. And even if she were, what difference would that make?\" I was just rejecting their implied negativity to that. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=514.2,583.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you know any gay men in college?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=583.61,599.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Not, no. I don't think I did. My mother's hairdresser, I think, was a gay man. And on TV, the ice skaters, we would know were gay men. I don't think I saw any images or knew of any out lesbians.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=599.9,618.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was maybe the— back to high school, Miss Erickson, she was a nationwide women's hockey player, and it was like, \"Hmm, Miss Erikcson. And what about Miss Wilson?\" Kind of like that, but it wasn't negative. It was just rumor, but we liked them so much, and everyone did. They weren't the source of any negative feelings that I was aware of or attitudes. I think eventually Miss Wilson did marry a man, but I'm not sure about Miss Ericson.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=618.65,666.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was pretty isolated from gay and lesbian communities. Of course, growing up in New York, it seems to me there was always Christopher Street. And this is, of course, before Stonewall, so there was always Christopher Street, and you'd go there. And you would see gay men being out, but I didn't know them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=670.2,699.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you move back to New York after college?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=700.08,702.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Yes, the center of the universe. And first, lived with a woman that I met at work the first week. We were fish out of water in this situation. And loved living in Manhattan. We lived on East Twenty-third Street, between Second and Third Avenues, on the first floor apartment. With bars on the windows and garbage cans outside. I had a bedroom about the size of a closet, and I was on the air shaft. It was heaven.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=702.89,744.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then, her boyfriend moved in. And then, they wanted the place themselves. It was her uncle's building, so I moved to another sweet scene with a friend from college. During that time, I became more and more politicized. It was impossible not to be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=745.45,766.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is now '68, and of course— the assassination of JFK was my senior year in high school. And the assassinations of RFK and Martin Luther King were my senior year of college.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=767.22,785.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the war was continuing at its horrible pace. It was impossible not to be involved in different ways. And then, I got a job at the City of New York, in the Department of Personnel, when John Lindsay was mayor, and met other like-minded, young professionals. We started watching anti-war films and other propaganda from the left. I don't know. And we formed a group, I was just remembering this last night, called “PEWARE,” Public Employees Against War, Repression, and Exploitation. Which I still love the \"war, repression, and exploitation\" part, because it covers a lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=786.54,852.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we'd march on Washington. We made flags. I was very involved in anti-war activities, connections with the Black Panthers in New York. We would go to their events and rallies and meetings. I remember being frisked at the door for weapons, and it was a bit intimidating. It was very intimidating, actually.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=853.66,880.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We marched with Puerto Ricans wanting independence, and connected with the Cuban revolution as best we could from Manhattan. People tried to go on this program called the Venceremos Brigade, to go and help the Cubans cut sugar cane in Cuba. I never got there. And I do remember also going, at this time, with busloads of women, down to march against the Pentagon. We all had shirts with the picture of— now I'm not remembering her name. Madame— How embarrassing. Cut.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=881.25,940.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: It's okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=940.7,940.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: I think she was Ho Chi Minh's wife, but she didn't take his name.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=940.81,943.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm forgetting her name. And that was incredibly powerful, these women circling the area of the Pentagon. I felt very energized and proud and strong.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=944.23,959.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Would you mind just going back to high school for a second? Did you—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=961.26,964.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Not at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=964.51,965.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay. Nineteen sixty-two, so you were relatively young. Do you remember the Cuban Missile Crisis?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=965.16,971.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Yes, I do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=971.84,972.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Can you explain what people felt like during that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=972.66,975.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: I was scared. I remember, again, TV in the den with my parents. I was scared. I think I was scared about, in this very romantic way, that, \"Oh my God, my boy friends and—\" Boy friends were going to have to go and fight there, and they'd be hurt and die.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=975.47,998.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: When Kennedy did this public announcement on TV about it, people were tense and afraid.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=998.2,1007.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Yeah, yeah. When—staying with high school—I said that I don't remember going to any marches or protests with my parents, it would've really been with my father. But when Kennedy, when the president, Kennedy, was shot, he took— it was November. It was the day after my sister's seventh birthday or something like that. Or maybe she was even younger.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1007.52,1036.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He asked my brother and I to go down to D.C. with him on the bus, and my brother got to bring a friend. I don't know why I didn't. That friend lives in Eugene. It's very funny, but for eight hours in the November snowing day, we stood on line, tried getting in to the Rotunda. All through the night, and we wound through a Black neighborhood that I remember mostly. People came out and gave us food and hot chocolate and sea biscuits or something. It was pretty moving. Certainly, when I wrote my first essays in freshman English, \"Tell me about a memorable thing you did.\" That was one of the subjects I wrote on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1038.91,1095.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1095.4,1096.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Yes, of course. Where was I? Manhattan, City of New York, PEWARE, all these public employees. I then met a man, who I eventually moved out here with. We may get into him more, but he's still family. He doesn't live in Eugene anymore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1096.76,1129.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Where did you meet him?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1129.07,1132.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: I met him through one of these political movie nights or lunch hours. People then would go out for something to eat or a drink, and then have meetings. We were going to demonstrate and join with others, or create our own. And I was in consciousness raising groups with other women, who all identified as straight, but all of us also were getting curious about having a lesbian relationship.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1132.67,1173.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And also were non-monog— smashing patriarchy was very motivating, and so questions and concepts, and how do you do that within a heterosexual relationship, definitely arose.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1175.13,1198.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you remember what you were reading in those days?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1198.17,1200.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Well, ultimately, I was reading Mao and Marx and Lenin. But in terms of literature—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1200.01,1209.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Just as the world's opening up about feminism or the possibility of lesbian relationships, where do you hear about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1209.63,1216.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Simone de Beauvoir— I'm blanking. I had her there for a minute.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1216.66,1229.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: When you say that the women were getting curious in your circle, were you going to feminist talks or hearing about these ideas?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1230.18,1240.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: I don't remember going to big name feminist talks, but we must've been reading something, because we weren't just pulling it out of the air. It was sort of in the air, like the spores of all these movements. It was the air I was breathing, and ultimately, through PEWARE and other of these groups, very energized. It seems like we were always making posters for marches or coordinating with people about demonstrations. I felt positive about affecting change, and I also thought, this sounds ridiculous, that I would die in the revolution by the time I was forty, and it would be fine. It would be fine, and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1240.13,1308.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What did the revolution seem like to you? What was its goals?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1308.68,1312.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Peace, equality, justice, smashing the patriarchy, sharing resources, a different whole paradigm from capitalism and patriarchal structures, nuclear families.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1316.24,1350.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: If you were to die in the revolution, who was the perceived enemy that you'd be fighting?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1350.71,1357.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Well, the chauvinist pigs, the banks, the military industrial complex, the anti-woman-and-child medical system, imperialism, colonialism. Put an -ism on it, I'm fighting for or against it. And I did become a Maoist during this time, and met and studied with a cadre of friends. We had a dream of going to China, but not as tourists.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1357.71,1409.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Of course, at this time, the U.S. had no relations with China. We had dreams though still of going to China, not as tourists, but to help work in the fields with the Chinese people, and help them achieve their goals. We met with an author named William Hinton, who wrote a book called Fanshen, who lived in Pennsylvania. He encouraged us to work with the Canadian consulate, because Canada had relations with the Chinese.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1409.4,1453.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we did. We'd buy, whenever we could, things made in China that somehow appeared, I don't know, in Canada or, ultimately I think, in Chinatown in New York. And when the People's Republic of China's representatives were first arriving to the UN, we met them at the airport with red flags and welcomed them to the U.S. Some people had sticky buns for them. I felt, I think, a bit more of a world citizen than I do now in Eugene, all these years I've lived here. A very long time, forty-six years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1453.57,1504.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How did you come to Eugene?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1505.98,1507.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: In my hippie van, in 1972. My partner Charles worked for another part of the city government from where I did. And he, by the way, knew lots of gay men, some of whom were friends of his and some were students of his. He and his brother outfitted this hunk of metal. We took off the first time in '71, in '71. It was the first time I ever was west of Chicago, and that was a really big deal for me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1507.96,1552.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Before we crossed into Wisconsin and across the Mississippi, I had to sit by the edge of the river and go, \"Okay, I'm having a new, new adventure.\" And it really was. We traveled for three months around the United States. His father was then living in Texas, I believe this was— yeah, in Texas, because of his pulmonary health challenges, rather than in Cambridge, Mass, where Charles grew up. We stayed quite a long time there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1552.06,1586.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And just met amazing people on the way. It was the time where you'd go to the food co-op, and you'd see other people there. And they said, \"Yeah, that's your rig? Come on. Stay here. Stay in our house.\" Or would point us in the right direction. It was very mellow, groovy, peace signs, and exciting. Exciting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1587.52,1619.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it was definitely a road trip. We had very few— like we have to be at a certain place at a certain time, or what place that was. It was great. It was really great, and driving this van was great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1619.84,1633.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then, we had made commitments to this group that was trying to get to China, that we would all try for one more year, and if that wasn't going to work, then our commitments to the project, we'd be released from that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1636.26,1651.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We did stay for another year, and it didn't work with going to China. We wanted to leave New York City. We were living in Brooklyn then, and actually, I wrote down that we lived with another couple who were married, a het couple, but it was great that we weren't just going to set up our own little nuclear family, Charles and I. That was already a cooperative sense of being in relationships, even though it was definitely het and straight.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1652.85,1694.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And why did you want to leave New York? The center of the universe?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1695.38,1699.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Right. This was four years later. New York was going bankrupt at the time, and Times Square was very seedy, which wasn't necessarily bad. There wasn't, \"Pick up your poop,\" laws on the books. It was dirty and stinky. We wanted to be with some other Americans, not just with East Coast Americans. There was a little thought of New England, but that's where Charles was from, and I just didn't want to be walking over his family graves. I wanted a whole new life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1700.25,1748.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We wound up in Eugene because, the second trip— I'm talking so long about all this old stuff, but the second trip, we went with another couple who had a child, and we zigzagged north in U.S./southern Canada. In Vancouver B.C., the city of Vancouver, they met up with an old college friend who said, \"Oh, we have to go over to Vancouver Island. You have to meet these wonderful people who just immigrated here from the U.S.\" Those were the grooviest people, I think, I have since ever met in my life. They had lived in San Francisco and had been poets and artists, knew Ferlinghetti. He taught here something like political sociology or something, and taught about we were in Vietnam for the resources and that connection to war and imperialism. Which I just thought they were the grooviest.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1749.51,1811.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They suggested checking out Eugene, because the year before, when Charles and I traveled through Oregon, we didn't want to stop here. It was a college town. I was out of college three years at that point, and he maybe five, and checked out some communes in southern Oregon, but I thought they were so sexist. I guess there wasn't women's land, or I didn't know about it yet in '71. Anyhow, wound up in Eugene, and then felt like it wasn't home for a long, long, long time, but didn't know where to move.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1812.62,1846.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What did it look like to you, when you came to Eugene?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1846.93,1849.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Small town, rolled up its sidewalks, I'd say 6:30, 6:00, 7:00. But there were lots of hippies and anti-war, and we knew that there had been demonstrations against the war at the U of O. That was good. It was getting cold, the winter was coming on, and we didn't want to live in the truck that much longer. It was in August— I don't know. It wasn't getting cold, but it was going to get cold.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1853.87,1886.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was a hostel here, and we were able to keep our van outside of the hostel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1890.36,1894.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Where was the hostel?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1896.44,1897.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: It was on Fourth and Jefferson, I think, or Fourth and— Yeah, Fourth and Jefferson.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1897.53,1903.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Might still be there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1903.22,1906.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: I don't—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1906.23,1907.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: The building.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1907.97,1908.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Well, there's a different building there. And then, there were signs— this one night, within the first three days we arrived here or something, there were posters on the lampposts and the utility posts about some friends having an anti-movie at their home on this particular night. I went, \"No, no. We're going to go to the laundromat.\" And Charles was going, \"No, let's check them out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1908.08,1938.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Let's check them out.\" I met my first friends at Fourth and Adams in Eugene, and some of those— one of those gals is still around.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1938.85,1948.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Who's that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1949.05,1949.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Connie Newman. And of course then, \"Stay here. Park in front of our place, and come in and use the bathroom.\" People kept their doors unlocked them. We did, except we parked at the wrong house and walked into this other house in the morning to use the bathroom. The doors were open, and it was a very straight, conventional house. Instead of Fourth and Adams, it was Fourth and Madison or I don't know what. And we just walked in to this other house, and then backed up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1949.29,1983.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: For clarification—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1983.96,1988.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1988.13,1988.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: The house at Fourth and Adams, was that a lesbian house yet?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1988.31,1992.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: No, no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1992.47,1992.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: It was just people who were hippies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1992.78,1994.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Yes, yes. There were men and women living there, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=1994.62,2002.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was your entry into the lesbian community here? What was the transition that happened for you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2002.08,2016.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Well, of course I was in a consciousness raising group or some group of women. I don't remember what we called ourselves, if we had a name. And we all identified as straight then. But all of us were interested in being with women sexually. And years later, was like, \"I know all of you felt the same way as I did. How come I came out and you didn't?\" And I still don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2016.09,2051.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So they're still straight?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2051.37,2053.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Well, some of them have moved away, but before they did, they still were straight. They expressed their dreams, sexual dreams about women, or having crushes on different women and stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2054.69,2068.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There were things that, even when I was in elementary school though, I did feel— or junior high. Now I look back and I go, \"Was that about budding lesbianism?\" I remember when my best friend Joan and I were developing breasts, and then there was going to be some dance or party, and we'd be dancing with boys. And what is it going to feel to them to have these little breasts if we dance close? She would stand behind me with her breasts on my back, and I'd do the same to see how it would feel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2068.2,2109.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Other things later in New York where— but it was always placed a male lens over. \"What is that woman's body like? What does it feel to be her to a guy?\" It was always this male lens. I didn't say, \"Ooh, I wonder how she would feel to me.\" And in New York even, Charles and I talked with our various cadres about non- monogamy and male sexism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2110.13,2162.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I remember— I don't want to get into all these details. It's sounding so boring, but Charles was dating another woman, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2166.44,2175.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we said, \"We're not going to be upset with each other. If there's any upset, it's him not being honest with both of us.\" And that seemed radical at the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2175.44,2185.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How'd you know these other women were interested in women sexually, even if they didn't act on it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2186.33,2192.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: In Eugene?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2192.94,2194.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Mm-hmm [affirmative].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2194.17,2194.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: How did I know they were? Because they talked about it. Yeah, we all talked about it, and ultimately, some of us went down to the Riv Room. There's so many different pieces of my long coming out story, because it was years. I was probably further along, but flirt with the dykes, the lesbians there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2194.33,2220.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And that wasn't scary to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2220.14,2221.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: No, it was fabulous.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2221.91,2223.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you describe the Riviera Room from your perspective then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2224.09,2227.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: They had booths, a big mural of the Riviera in the back, loud music. Kind of small dance floor at that time, and there were stories that I know are true about— there always had to be an equal number of men and women on the dance floor at all times, in case the police came and took for a raid. They would switch partners, and appear to be het partners.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2229.93,2266.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Were you ever there when there was a police raid?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2267.83,2269.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Never, never. I think that it was a little behind that. Thursdays were, I think, women's nights, and you couldn't go there before 9:30 at night. Which now, when I think about my aging process, that seems crazy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2269.55,2292.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And so what did the lesbians there look like to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2294.65,2298.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Adorable and strong and free. They were women that I knew.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2298.47,2309.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Some I didn't, but they all were within a spectrum of lesbian expression that was comfortable to me and enticing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2311.36,2326.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How did you come out?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2326.72,2328.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Well, I had this friend, who was one of the other women who lived with Connie Newman on Fourth and Adams. And at some point— she was dating a man that lived in New York or something and— Excuse me. We told each other we loved each other, and not just as friends. It took us two years to—as ready I guess as we thought we were—it took us two years and a Halloween party at her house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2329.52,2368.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What do you think the brakes were?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2368.94,2370.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: The brakes?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2370.48,2372.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Mm-hmm [affirmative].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2372.89,2373.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: I think just— I don't know, apprehension. It's hard to picture it. I guess some kind of fear? Also, she was such a good friend, but I think just classic, \"How do you start a relationship, let alone a sexual relationship, for the first time with a woman?\" And I think different times, different ones of us were a little more assertive and the other person wasn't ready. And then we were. And actually, it wasn't great. It wasn't great sex that night.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2373.28,2430.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What year was this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2432.93,2433.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: I was trying to figure that out. I thought you might— looking at the chronology form. I'm not sure. I was twenty-seven or twenty- eight, but I didn't move here really until twenty-five. I mean, I was twenty-five, if I did my math right, so I think maybe I was twenty- seven, maybe about to turn twenty-eight, because my birthday's a few months after Halloween. Yes, Halloween was a big deal for the women here, and we all had to be witchy and howl at the moon and have creative costumes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2433.44,2475.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And was Charles gone at this point?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2476.76,2479.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: No, Charles was not. And he was aware. We were very open.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2479.77,2483.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Matter of fact, he was involved with a men's group and men, and one or two of them were gay. And there was a certain time he said, \"I think it's getting real with this other guy.\" And I said, \"If you come out before I do, I'm going to be so angry.\" And he did, but he now identifies as a straight man. He wound up marrying a woman, and was with her for over thirty years. He's been with other women since. But I didn't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2484.01,2525.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What did it feel like when you came out?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2526.1,2532.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: It felt great, it felt great. It took me awhile. Barbara and I, we didn't continue that very long. She wound up taking non-monogamy quickly to another level, and slept with a man who was an old friend of mine. And I thought— just within weeks after Barbara and I have this two year courtship, within weeks. Both of them, this was a man I knew in New York and lived with in a communal household, and so I just loved both of them. They told me way after, and it was like, \"I'm not doing this with you, Barbara.\" I'm friends with the man again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2532.23,2580.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I don't know what kind of timeframe, but Nancy Burbank was teaching a woodworking class at LCC, and I was very interested in that, partly because Charles was a cabinet maker, and I just really loved it, so I wanted to learn more about it on my own, and not from him. And I took the class. There was a woman in it who was already out who I crushed out on enormously. And we eventually became sweethearts. It was great, it was great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2582.48,2629.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you live together?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2629.06,2629.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: We didn't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2630.09,2631.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: No?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2631.12,2631.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: We didn't, but she and Charles became very tight, because she was also into the building trades and building arts, so she, years later, became an architect. Moved to Portland and became an architect.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2631.2,2642.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They would do work projects together, and she'd be at the house a lot. She lived with a lot of women in the house next to the original Women's Center, which never really happened. On Jefferson also, and Third or something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2643.31,2660.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: When you were involved with her, you were still living with Charles?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2660.32,2663.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Yeah, yeah. And then, a woman intervened and suggested, advised Kacey, \"You should tell Judy to stop sleeping with Charles.\" And that woman is now married to a man, but she did, and I said, \"Fine. I just wish I— needed another five minutes to do it on my own.\" And no regrets on that. And he was still seeing this fella who— And Kacey was definitely into non-monogamy, especially when she got a crush on this straight woman, who she thought maybe she could lure. And another woman decided she was interested in dating me, and it's like, \"Kacey, I'm going to go with it.\" It was non-monogamous. And, but—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2663.68,2727.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And where were you working?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2728.87,2733.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: I think I was working at this place in West Eugene called Western Graphics, and they made flock posters that you color in, and they also were one of the people that were licensed to print the Farrah Fawcett poster. I worked in their art department, assistant to the two artists, one of whom was a gay man friend of Charles', who eventually moved to Seattle, and then San Francisco, and died of AIDS. Fabulous, creative person.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2733.13,2779.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then, I guess I got a job— well, there was also the Growers Market, and everything was done collectively. Charles and I lived with a household of other men and women and a baby, and it seems like our lives were very much in groups. There was an effort to do a— I had gotten some carpentry skills and woodworking skills, and there was an attempt to develop a builders' co-op. And I did some roofing. I built big staircases, with women.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2780.43,2829.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Did you know about Crescent Construction?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2831.19,2833.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: It wasn't around yet. It wasn't around yet. And so then, from this Western Graphics place, I then worked at Jackrabbit Press, which you've heard about, and which—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2833.3,2846.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Can you tell us about it from your perspective?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2848.69,2850.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Well, it was a political press. There was one man involved initially, but he more-or-less gracefully backed out, I think with some pushing, some nudging. And it was run by women. We printed everything from menus at Wild Iris and business cards, to political literature and women's programs, information about women's programs, and Grand Jury comics, and was involved at some times— We couldn't print Women's Press, but we were involved with them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2851.95,2909.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We were on the second floor of the Growers Market, and there was another collective called Amazon Reality, which was— it wasn't a book store, but it was a place you can order political books, feminist books, or banners and buttons and decals. Laurie McClain and Maryanne Gould owned that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2909.99,2934.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was so exciting at Jackrabbit Press, because you never knew who was going to come in and ask to have their poetry or their didactic printed. We printed labels for Genesis Juice then, which was a big deal— four color separations, and Kate ran it. And Jane Gibbons, also. And then was her co-pilot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2936.1,2970.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How long did you work there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2970.14,2974.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: I don't know. I'm going to say no more than two years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2974.78,2980.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can we— I want to fast-forward a little bit to when the lesbian community was up and thriving. Can you describe what that scene was like, and where you were working, what you were doing, and what years we're talking about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2980.08,2997.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: It's hard for me with the years, because I've just lived here so long, and I mostly lived in the same house in West Eugene for so long.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=2998.49,3008.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I do remember when I started at Starflower, which is February of 1979. So long ago.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3012.24,3021.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Was that near the beginning of it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3021.92,3022.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Starflower started, and I have some information about this, in '82.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3022.98,3031.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, '72, excuse me. '72-‘73, incorporated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3031.1,3032.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So it was up and running?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3033.82,3035.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Yes it was, and when it first came to town, there were two married couples, straight couples, who were the owners, and it was like, \"This is just too straight coupled for me.\" And of course, I didn't have the foresight of what it was going to become. The lesbian community, as far as I was concerned, ran the town. I mean, we had lesbian— I don't know. Lesbian restaurants and doctors and Jackrabbit Press and Starflower. And bands, zillions of bands, none of which I was in, but all of which I danced to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3036.55,3091.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I think I shared with you once the story that during working hours— at this point, I worked at Starflower and bicycled to work, and then after work, I'd bicycle to the kwoon, the Kung Fu school, and work out for a couple of hours with my sisters and the children. And go home, take a shower, and then go to the bar and dance until, I don't know when, very late, since you couldn't go there before 9:30.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3094.77,3135.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was perfect. It was heaven, being with like-minded people, being with strong women trying to be stronger, being active physically and politically. I felt pretty powerful, even as we were trying to still smash the powers-that-be. I thought we were affecting change.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3136.99,3173.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Can you tell us a little bit about some of the other women in the community that had an impression on you that you remember from those old days?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3177.03,3189.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Wow. Well, the lesbian that I crushed out on at LCC, her name was— is it okay to share these people's names? They haven't given permission.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3191.9,3207.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Mm-hmm [affirmative].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3207.26,3207.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Her name is Kacey Jurgens, and as I said, she used to live— she has lived in Portland for a long time. Margaret Cormier, one of the founders of Starflower, Kate Jackrabbit, Kate Thompson. Oh, I guess our Kung Fu teachers, whose names I don't think have been really shared that much, Barbara Bones and Joyce Towne. In terms of political— I was in a political study group with Shoshana Cohen. There are certain parts of the community— I didn't feel antagonistic particularly, but there's certain of us who are maybe more into traditional politics in terms of Marxism and Leninism, if that's traditional, as opposed to perhaps moon witch—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3207.42,3285.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Spirituality.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3286.91,3287.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: That, that piece of spirituality, but I always felt you have to combine a political leader that doesn't have a sense of spirituality, and for me, I think a spiritual leader that doesn't have a sense of the material world and the needs of human beings— I don't think they're in the right direction. Where are we on time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3287.77,3322.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Starflower, you were going to tell us about, when you're looking through your records, about the nuts and bolts of things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3322.01,3327.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Well, I did find this personnel policy manual. I read the whole thing yesterday, and as I told you, I got a little depressed, because it was so bureaucratic, and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3327.72,3343.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Your memory of it was more free-flowing than this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3343.41,3347.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Yes, and I joined, as I said, in the beginning of '79, and it had been going about five years, four or five years then. I don't know if you've heard yet, but you will when you interview Jain Elliott, who was one of the people that moved up from San Francisco. The folks that started it all moved up from San Francisco. She can tell you stories about that. At one point apparently, there was an envelope on the wall with money in it, and you took what you needed. That was how people got paid. You were expected, if you had children, you would take more, and that was totally expected and supported.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3347.07,3389.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I don't know, it got different, and a lot of this was developed in the last two years of Starflower. And so I think there was a different need at that time. There were other policies and procedures, and there were different changes in the structure of the business, from collective to cooperative, which has an actual tax code related to it. I wasn't there— I would substitute and label herbs or cheeses, but I really wasn't there in those wild, loose days.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3390.81,3430.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Can you remind us the years that Starflower operated?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3431.07,3434.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Well, and I'll check here. I'll say ‘72 to ‘73, and it ended in December of '86. A lot of the women that worked there, over those years, didn't know each other, because there were shifts, and people went off to college, just like in a family. People that were there the early five years, I'd say, it was really different folks. Very few were there the whole time, if anyone, other than maybe Jain.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3434.57,3469.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She might've left a year before it fully closed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3472.23,3474.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: It seems like there were a lot of experiments in different kinds of work and pay that either worked or didn't work over time, and then Starflower kept developing in how it functioned.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3474.69,3486.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Yes, and for a very, very, very long time, most of those years after the “envelope days,” which I guess someone realized they had to do timesheets, by state law or something, everyone got paid the same. And then ultimately, there was something like fifteen cents or twenty-five cents or fifty cents per hour differential, if you did certain jobs. And then also, if you were a mother or a father, though I don't think we had any men who were raising children at that time. They might've been donors, but they didn't raise the children.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3486.54,3531.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Can you tell us about the founders, the Glasses?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3534.27,3537.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: The Glasses and the Cormiers, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3537.54,3540.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And the Cormiers. Can you tell us about them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3540.66,3541.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Tom Cormier and Margaret Cormier were married, as were Charlie Glass and Debbie Glass, and I came to know the Cormiers better. I think every one of that group, other than Charlie, eventually came out. Tom, for sure, Margaret, for sure, and Debbie. They were smart. Charlie wasn't around when I started Starflower, was barely around. Debbie was barely around. She was there a bit. I don't know. Everyone was smart and kind and, I guess, visionary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3541.95,3603.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And can you please describe what Starflower did?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3603.73,3613.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Well, we were a natural foods distribution company, that served smaller businesses, restaurants, food-buying clubs, bakeries, natural food stores, all in the Northwest and to California, and then we also trucked items to Seattle to be shipped to Alaska, and items to San Francisco to be shipped to Hawaii. And there were other natural foods co-ops, that we had gentlewoman's agreements with. \"This is our territory, and that's yours.\" There's one that I think is still going, Mountain Peoples out of Colorado, and there was another one in Seattle. We didn't sell in Washington. We just trucked our products to Seattle to go to Alaska, because the cooperative natural foods business in Seattle, it was their territory. And we had herbs also and spices.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3613.77,3689.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And through the work of, I understand, not just Margaret Cormier, but maybe predominantly Debbie Glass, a cheesemaker in Southern Oregon was willing to try this rennetless cheese that those two women were really wanting to produce, so that people who are then vegetarians but not vegans, I don't think we knew about veganism then, could eat cheese that wasn't made with the lining of a cow's stomach, which is what rennet is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3689.56,3729.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I was going to— there’s a bit of a history of Starflower in this manual, which I think you'll find interesting. And I have another synopsis of the history, or another history that's a couple of pages long also, that I wasn't able to locate, that wasn't in here. I will locate it eventually, but I do have a mission statement from April of 1983. Should I?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3732.0,3762.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3762.55,3762.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3762.63,3762.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: It's not too long. \"Mission Statement: To succeed as a feminist cooperative business, supplying natural foods and related products primarily to the Northwest. Goals: One, to increase profitability by responding to market trends and shifts. Two, to increase profitability by increasing productivity of our workers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3762.71,3786.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Three, to provide humane working conditions. Four, to provide worker control of the workplace. Five, to make a positive impact on society by promoting people, taking power over our lives through, A, what we eat, B, where we work, C, how we affect the Earth ecosystems, D, humane business practices among customer, worker, and supplier.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3787.53,3813.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3813.89,3816.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: And then in here also, we did write about cooperative principles, which are, \"Co-ops operate according to six principles, the so- called Rochdale principles, named for the twenty-eight weavers in Rochdale, England who, in 1844, opened the first modern consumers cooperative.\" And I don't have to read all of these six points of the principles of cooperation, but openness, economic— I can just read the part: \"Open membership, economic democracy, limited return on invested capital.\" It would go to the co-op. \"A patronage rebate, education, and cooperation among co-ops.\" I don't know, at a certain point I think, for a lot of women over the years, that became less emphasized, and more the empowerment of women primarily doing these non-traditional jobs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3817.04,3889.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: We've talked to a number of different women about Starflower, and their experiences working at Starflower, and my impression now is that Starflower had a major influence in distribution of organic food and the organic food movement. Can you talk a little bit about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3891.21,3912.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Well, I think one of the reasons— there were many, and I don't know if I really want to talk about them all, but one of the reasons that it eventually had to go out of business was, we'd succeeded in the mission of bringing natural foods, bulk foods, organic foods to the people. And, \"Oh, what do you know? Fred Meyer's and Safeway is now having bulk oatmeal and rice, and maybe some brown rice, and other healthier alternatives.\" Everything wasn't packaged.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3912.1,3947.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Bi-Mart— No, WareMart, which was around the corner from us, was doing the same. It was like, \"Wow, they're competing, but it's wonderful.\" I think that goal was one of the most successful, and we achieved that more successfully maybe than some of the others. And we had the Starflower label on our cheese. That was a big job, to label all these packaged cheese. Sometimes we had to cut them, but we had to label them all. That was a way we could hire or work with temporary employees, and it was a foot in the door for a lot of folks to come into Starflower.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=3947.34,3999.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was going to share this one memory that I have. I was on the warehouse team, where we unloaded trucks of fifty pound bags and cartons of four gallon juices or eight gallon juices. I don't know how— I couldn't do it now, but I was young and strong.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4005.03,4027.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then we also loaded the trucks with the orders from the different customers, but this one particular— I would go on different trucking runs with the drivers and help with the deliveries.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4028.13,4040.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But this one particular time, I was on a trucking run, I believe, with Gail Pyburn, who was a contract Starflower driver, and Kate Elliott, who's deceased, who was a Starflower member, as was I.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4040.76,4055.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we're riding down I-5. I guess I'm in the middle, in the front, in this huge 18-wheeler, filled with natural foods. We're hauling this down to San Francisco, and I'm just looking, and I'm going, \"This is so not my script.\" I just felt like we were so powerful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4056.06,4082.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Growing up in the suburbs of New York to my family. This wasn't going to be part of my story, and it was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4082.16,4100.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then, I remember also that same trip, after we did whatever work we needed to do for that day. I guess, delivered all of the Nancy's Yogurt to the dock and picked up whatever we have. We, of course, were going to go to a bar, a lesbian bar, and on the way there, we were hassled by some guys. And I don't know, I brought my Kung Fu with me. I didn't have to fight them, but I got to confront them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4100.89,4135.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Of course, you don't want a fight. You want to avoid that. I don't know exactly what I did, but whatever I said and did, it totally worked. And later, I remember particularly Kate was going— who I knew longer, she was like, \"Thank you. Thank you. You were so strong, amazon.\" But there was another time in Eugene, where I felt like I needed to protect my girlfriend and I, and again, without fists but still using my martial arts. That was great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4135.78,4174.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so, I started Kung Fu the week after my thirtieth birthday, so that would've been December, the last weeks of December, of '76. I wasn't at Starflower yet, and that also really is off script. Working out like that, I think the only other work— I took ballet dances or dance classes, and PE for women, before Title IX, and it was pretty awful, even with Miss Erickson and Miss Wilson. And maybe some swimming, but nothing like martial arts, nothing like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4174.83,4223.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And working out so hard, and really learning how to sweat and not hold back and just glisten. It was totally empowering. It was getting—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4223.07,4234.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Could you tell us what the focus of Amazon Kung Fu was then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4234.54,4239.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Well, I happen to have another document. May I read from it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4239.24,4242.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4242.66,4242.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: This is “Commitment to Social Change,” from a document called “Welcome to Amazon Kung Fu, Sisters.” That's at the top of the sheet. It says, \"Amazon Kung Fu participates in a number of ways to changing society and fighting oppression. We recognize that women and children are oppressed in this society, and we train them to defend themselves. We also do demonstrations and workshops, and have provided security for demonstrations and events.\" Did Linda Mac share the same thing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4242.9,4277.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Uh-uh [negative].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4277.44,4277.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Okay, Linda Mac. \"Our principles of unity and bylaws will be available in written form soon. We have been working on them for a long time, and they represent our commitment to refining our understanding of our place in the various movements for change.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4277.92,4293.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We recognize that martial arts have the potential for misuse, and we dedicate our skills and training to ending, not perpetuating, oppression.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4293.74,4302.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And where was it located?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4302.29,4304.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Well, we moved around a lot. We worked out of Gerlinger when I first started, on campus. It was a beautiful space, but I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4304.95,4315.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Maybe we didn't have enough access to it enough times. I think that was an issue. And then, we'd find these weird spaces and— probably Crescent Construction women put in a wood floor for us and hung mirrors. We moved around, mostly in the west part, West Eugene, Whiteaker neighborhood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4316.5,4343.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I remember when this one woman, Kitty Reilly, who's head you can see here, who went by Crow then. No, she went by Raven.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4345.07,4354.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Her girlfriend was Crow. She said something about— at a certain point, after training for whatever period of time, she said, \"You're a martial artist now, Judy.\" I was like, \"What?\" It was— I thought she was wrong. I wasn't there yet. And I studied for about seven years, seven and a half years, until the demands of my straight job became too demanding, and I couldn't keep working out as much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4354.21,4391.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It slowly tapered until this day, when I don't ever work out, but it was great. It was great. I became very strong. It really helps with focus; discipline in its most positive actuality or reflection. I loved the connection, the world, international connection, and the connection to China and the Asian roots, which were definitely always do all your teachers back, and then you always knew what lineage we were.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4391.36,4455.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I loved that, and became a teacher there for the beginning students and for some of the youth and children. That was very challenging in a different way, and I remember specifically at this one class, where I'm going— this is with the women, \"You're all choosing to be here. If you don't want to be here, leave and let the rest of us do our class.\" I was— I don't know that strict was the word, but I just felt like, if you were there and you were adults, and no one was forcing you there, your parents or the state, you needed to focus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4457.33,4499.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was challenging, and I also did tai chi and taught tai chi for a little bit. And I'm supposed to mention, I spoke with a dear friend yesterday. We also interacted with all of these other women's martial arts schools, including one in Portland that did karate, and my friend Chops said— You have to get her name in here at one point. She lived here for a year or two in the '70s, but I didn't know her then. We've remained friends.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4500.28,4530.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What's her name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4530.99,4531.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Chops.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4531.15,4531.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Oh Chops.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4532.06,4532.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: All these years, even though she's lived as far away as Chicago in these decades, but she was in a martial arts school, and we knew a lot of the same people. We eventually met each other and stayed friends, so Chops, I got you in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4532.62,4551.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You know, Judy, when we started this project, we couldn't have started it without you, because you knew so many people and have kept in touch with so many people. And so we have thought of you as a hub of this network of people. I'm wondering how that felt, or how you met so many people and how you stayed connected.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4551.7,4575.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Well, it's felt a tremendous honor to be assisting— I say it like, \"Oh, I'll bring the paper plates to the whatever, a meeting.\" That's how I've assisted. I'm so grateful for the work that both of you have done on this, and your vision of this project, so I feel honored to be the smallest bit helping you both, and hope I can continue, although I don't know what Linda's up to. She didn't take me up on my offer to volunteer as—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4575.86,4614.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Not yet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4614.43,4616.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Not yet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4616.67,4617.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Not yet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4617.69,4617.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: And I feel that I didn't adequately do my job and take on— I didn't do everything I said I would do. In terms of staying in touch with all these people, I think the electronic age has helped a lot, of course, for all of us, but I've lived here for so long and lived in one house for so long, that people knew how to connect with me, maybe. And there are a few other gals who've been here through it all. I'm thinking of Susan Detroy particularly, but I don't know. I'm a Sag. I like connecting with people. It's been a joy, reconnecting now and the party last Saturday, on Julee's birthday, was wonderful. It feels so special, being a part of this project, and the validation for more of our efforts and just our way of living back in the day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4617.81,4711.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Maybe I shared with you, Julee, or both of you, about how there was some talk, at one point, at Starflower, that Ms. magazine was interested in doing a little blurb about us. And it was like, \"No way, Gloria Steinem works for the CIA or FBI,\" or something crazy. We were very— I think we were brave in many ways, but afraid also of what the FBI would do with us, or the government hurting us. So the idea of now documenting and trying to find the women, the stories, the notes and pictures. 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I was afraid, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4713.41,4786.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: It's interesting, what you say about fear, and so many people coming together and working towards something, but also coming with a certain amount of individual trauma.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4786.21,4798.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Absolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4798.95,4800.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: That affected maybe the relationships and the organizations that you were building and rebuilding them. I don't know if you have any reflections on that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4800.14,4810.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Well, I think that's very insightful and true, that particularly in the group of Starflower, where at some point, with temp workers— I don't know if we got over 100, but we got over eighty, so there was lots of opportunity for individual drama to raise its head. And also, we were mostly women in our twenties and thirties, we weren't that mature. Some more than others, and didn't— we tried, I think that's part of this book, to contain all the energy and all the reactions and all the responses to whatever, that this procedures manual is very bureaucratic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4810.34,4876.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But again, most of it was in the last few years of the— but I think it was in part because people brought so much of their lives with them, and because it was feminist, and we were all supposed to be respected for who we were, we didn't know how to funnel who we were appropriately in the workplace at all times. People kicked down walls, chased after people with forklifts.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4877.62,4921.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mostly, this was around not about policy stuff, sometimes, but more about relationships and who was dating whom. But there was policy-related frustration and anger and discourse, too. But, for me, it was still— I look back on it fondly, absolutely. I was injured as a warehouser and had to become an office worker, but I still had very strong, determined feeling that I was contributing to the betterment of our community and beyond.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4922.85,4979.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You've been here a long time to see people grow up, and I have their visions expressed in other ways. At one point, you said you felt like Eugene was run by the lesbians.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4979.37,4991.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4991.94,4992.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Could you reflect a little bit on, as you all were older, and the connections that remained, and your place in lesbian community in your forties, fifties, and sixties?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=4992.61,5004.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Well, I'm not sure of the demise of the whole cooperative business world of Eugene, but slowly over the period of time, we were forced to look for straight jobs. I went back to a serious career in human resources, back to my New York roots, even though I did also wind up, prior to that at Starflower, doing personnel administration after my warehouse injuries.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5009.31,5043.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And a lot of gals went back to school to further their education, either in a field that they had already studied or something brand new. Jain Elliott, for example, became a teacher in Oakridge for many, many, many years. Some stayed in the political sphere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5044.5,5075.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sally Sheklow, in terms of working at Willamette AIDS Council.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5075.6,5079.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And also, the organizations, such as Womenspace, became more— I don't know. Traditional isn't right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5081.07,5093.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Established?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5093.03,5094.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Established, I guess. Yeah. Some of these other programs and activities, they started more loosely. You have to have some structure also to continue forward. And then there were certain other businesses that were never cooperatives, but they're still around, that Starflower was a part of. I don't know. This is not really addressing you, but Nancy's Yogurt, of course, is a family business. And Down To Earth has co-owners, but we all worked together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5094.65,5133.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But Zoo Zoo's is gone, this cooperative restaurant, and Country VW is gone. Burley Design is not a cooperative anymore, which did bicycle trailers and bicycles. And 4,000 other— Amazon Kung Fu is gone. There are plenty of martial arts schools, and many that have women teachers. Or some, I think, that have women teachers, but not the same.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5133.58,5163.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But it was hard for me. I, at one point, worked for the City of Springfield when, I don't know if it was Measure 9, was up on the ballot or some other hateful ballot measure. I think there were fewer Jews in the City of Springfield than there were people who I knew who are gay. And I wasn't out in Springfield. Different of my friends, I told, co-workers, but I wasn't out. It was very hard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5164.12,5199.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I had, cleverly though, planned to take the day after the election off anyhow. 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Yeah, the Oregon Citizens Alliance and the city ordinance. I'm reminded by Judy Boles that the City of Eugene officially had anti-gay language in their charter longer that Springfield did. I don't know, and then, as I mentioned, Susan Detroy, she organized, more recently, in terms of connecting in different ways, a group called Lez Dance, and we hired ballroom dance teachers to teach us all how to do the two-step or the samba or the foxtrot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5219.25,5265.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We had to teach the teachers, \"No, it wasn't male and female. It was lead and follow.\" And they got with the program. 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Personally, for me, I've mostly had doctors that were fine with me being a le— I didn't feel traumatized by the doctors, because I'm a lesbian.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5310.64,5374.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I went to women doctors mostly, some of whom were lesbians. I have to say, I guess I should mention— I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5377.5,5387.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Linda's looking at her watch, but I've had breast cancer on two different occasions. First in '95, and then again in 2012, and my oncologist, Dr. Benjamin Cho, couldn't have been more supportive of me and all my lesbo friends, and my other women friends.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5388.13,5410.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank goodness for that. Thank goodness for that. He was recommended to me by a naturopath, a woman naturopath in town, and I guess I wouldn't known right away if it wasn't going to work, but she made a good recommendation. He helps me to this day, and welcomes all my friends. Because I'm single, I was single at the time of my cancer in 2012, it wasn't like the one main gal that came with me to different appointments or to chemo treatments.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5414.52,5453.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And he was just going, \"I'm amazed, and your friends are so wonderful.\" He and the other staff were very welcoming, and that was a very, very positive experience for me. I know for other lesbians, it's been harder interacting with medical staff. I've been blessed in that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5453.89,5489.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In terms of aging and community, I think issues of poverty are still pronounced for women, and it's scary for many of us about, \"Oh, are we going to have enough money for our lives?\" As it is, I think, for a lot of people, but of course, women get paid less than men.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5489.89,5518.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And lesbians weren't married to men often.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5518.4,5521.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Right, so there's the social security benefits, the spouse benefits.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5522.2,5527.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's, for us, a new thing that, hopefully younger lesbians or women who were able to marry in the beginning of marriage equality, will have those opportunities. And also, many businesses, at different times, didn't cover your same-sex spouse.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5527.35,5545.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was great that I lived through that in my human resources career, to see that change. And then, of course, we were taxed to have our partners on the plan, even when we were allowed to have them on the health insurance, in a way that heterosexual couples weren't taxed, unless they weren't married. But of course, we couldn't—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5545.67,5576.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: All the cumulative inequities, by the time you get to older age, add up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5576.42,5581.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Absolutely, absolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5582.11,5584.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And contribute to poverty.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5584.45,5586.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: And working at Starflower, when I look at my social security statements— I don't know if you gals get them yet, but I don't know. It was a long time ago, but we really— I'm sure we paid minimum wage, but not too much above that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5586.76,5601.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What are your thoughts about that you retired fairly recently really, and your thoughts about retirement, about living situation, and staying in Eugene or not?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5604.71,5617.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Well, my retirement was different, because of the age I was when I got cancer. I was pushed out the door by my employer, but after the trauma of that all subsided, and I became healthier and my treatments for cancer stopped, I'm very happy not working. I was in a— I'll say toxic environment, two times in particular in my HR career. And actually, after both or— I don't know— there was some link with how I responded to those toxic situations, my immune system and cancer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5617.53,5676.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's not a direct, dark, clear line, but it's some line. Anyhow, I feel much happier with who I am than I did when I was working, because no one's telling me that, \"You're inadequate and were too pushy or—\" other negative things, on a regular basis.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5677.07,5703.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In terms of living situations, it is interesting to me that my first years as an adult, living with women friends and living with male friends in households of people, has evaporated, and I've lived by myself for a really long time. And it would be wonderful if there was an opportunity to change that and have a community, residential community of some kind, with others.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5703.88,5754.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm not sure if— on the one hand, all lesbian sounds great. I'm not sure if I need that. I think Enid expressed maybe a priority for her was to be among other Jews, and that would be important to me as well, because I don't want to be subsumed in the dominant culture in that way either.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5755.59,5795.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm excited about meeting with Jean Tate. There's different friends in town, some of whom you've interviewed, that we've talked over the years. \"Oh, buy that property. Oh, you did, and we'll make a compound of some kind,\" but that particular thing isn't happening. Eugene isn't— we don't have cooperative housing in Eugene, of any kind. It's always stumbled and evaporated, though I think the people out at River Road—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5797.78,5833.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: River Road?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5833.31,5833.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Yeah. I forget the name of what they call their project. I think they're able to move forward again, but they've been horribly challenged by people. I'm open. I think about inviting people into my home on a more regular— to live with me, but I'm not sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5833.71,5861.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The way my house is laid out, whatever. I make excuses. It's exciting, and I thank you for following up with Jean about that, who actually— Jean and Wayne Tate, were the first, to come full circle, were people that are— the groovy people we met on Vancouver Island said, \"Here are Jean and Wayne Tate. Definitely connect with them right way.\" Which we did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5862.74,5891.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They're wonderful. They know a lot of people. They're non- traditional, because Wayne had quit his teaching job, and he was the house husband. And Jean was doing her real estate career. This was before she had her own business. We painted houses. I still look at a house on University that we painted the inside of. And then, Charles worked with Wayne on different building things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5893.16,5915.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean and I have been on panels together, although apparently, I don't know where I was in my path to being an out lesbian, but— it will be great to reconnect with her. We were at their daughter's wedding. I haven't stayed in touch with her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5916.63,5937.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think there is a lot of energy that you two have stirred up in the most positive way, for at least taking steps and learning more about what could be possible. So, as I think, mentioned earlier, Eugene didn't feel like home for a really long time. And I don't know, then I got used to it. I would consider moving somewhere else, but I couldn't just, by myself, go to Taos or something. That doesn't sound appealing if— I don't know. Maybe I could, but I don't have that initiative right now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5938.06,5996.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You know a lot of people here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5996.14,5997.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Yeah, I do, who I trust.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5997.43,5998.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Which is very lucky for us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=5998.78,6000.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Oh yeah? Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=6000.49,6002.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: We've been asking people who have gone through this very vibrant time, things have changed. And maybe there's other kinds of revolutionary things that are happening, but for a young person, listening to these stories, and you looking back on your life and creative work you did, is there something you might tell a young person or some advice you would give about living or community or something?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=6002.18,6028.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Well, I think I would say, make every effort. Make efforts, as much as you possibly can, to find like-minded people, to talk about your dreams and what you want in your own life, and how that ripples through. And try not to be isolated and cynical. Be strong and— I think connecting with others, and continue learning and challenging things maybe you were raised to believe, or the dominant culture professes and sells you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=6028.63,6101.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's amazing to me, when the marriage equality movement started really gearing up, I was cynical. I didn't think we were ready yet, and so wrong. So wrong. I just thought, It's too soon. Society's just getting use to lesbians and gay men. And I was, thankfully, really wrong. It's amazing the changes in a life, and it's been so great, with this project and connecting with different women, and hearing from them, some things they shared or remembered, or things that I didn't know about them, and just how much change there's been for women. Of course, tons more to go, to say the least, but it's different. My mother used to get mail, \"Mrs. David Goldstein.\" And she would not like it, but she didn't have a first name. And, of course—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=6104.17,6175.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Or a last name.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=6175.87,6176.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Or a last name, right. Also, I don't think every old person— I would tell a young person every old person isn't their enemy, and maybe there's certain areas— there are areas where you'll have to push us to understand what your goals are and where you're coming from, but don't write us all off. Although, I definitely understand the saying, \"Don't trust anyone over thirty.\" I still do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=6176.62,6216.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Is there anything we haven't covered that you want to make sure you say something about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=6217.24,6233.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Let me see. Oh, I didn't talk about Baleboostehs. I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=6233.12,6236.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Baleboostehs was a group of Jewish lesbians who started meeting in the '80s, when we didn't feel especially welcome at the Temple here in Eugene. And didn't feel comfortable with only going out on the full moon and dancing in the full moon, in women's circles or— I don't know what. Women-centered spirituality or that kind of women's— I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=6237.07,6273.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You didn't feel part of that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=6273.72,6274.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: This group, we didn't feel like that was our only spiritual— that would satisfy our spiritual needs, so we formed this group that met once a month, and very loose. Potlucks, but we tried for a while to have topics that we would discuss, or someone could do a ritual if they wanted. And then we learned, \"Okay, we need to remind people that it needs to be a beginning, middle, and end.\" We had to go through all that. And that was very affirming also and validating, in a similar but different way than this project is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=6275.0,6315.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ultimately, I think both the synagogue became truly more welcoming and our perception of that, of how welcome we were as lesbians in the Jewish community, also changed. And now, a lot of lesbians are very, very involved in high places, and have been for decades, at the Temple. Yay. And Balaboosteh, just for those of you who don't know, is a Yiddish term, and maybe you can help me, Julee, that has two meanings, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=6316.02,6357.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One is a strong, very accomplished homemaker like, \"Oh my gosh, she makes the best pot roast,\" or, \"Her home is so beautiful,\" or, \"Her children are always well kept and well dressed.\" And it also means a ball-breaker, so we put them together, and we reclaimed it, just like we've reclaimed other words. Yeah, yippee for all these brave women and creative women and brave— and brave.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=6359.04,6401.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Thank you so much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=6401.62,6407.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=6407.63,6407.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/299","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Goldstein: Thank you so much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=6408.85,6409.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/300","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[END OF INTERVIEW]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310#t=6409.22,6409.32"}]},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56098/file/130310/transcript/92583/annotation/301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/583/original/771_Coll520_do021_aligned.vtt?1776852355","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/583/original/771_Coll520_do021_aligned.vtt?1776852355"}]}]}]}