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She graduated from the University of Minnesota in 1969 and studied at San Francisco State University before getting her master's degree at the University of Oregon. In San Francisco, she was involved in feminist sex education. She had her first lesbian experience in 1973, but didn't come out until she was living in California in 1975. In Eugene, Janet worked at Lane Community College, became involved with Women's Action for Nuclear Disarmament (WAND), led fifteen trips to the Soviet Union with Women's Journeys for Peace, and became co-director of Womenspace. Subsequently, she worked at United Way of Lane County. In 2000, she became director of the LCC Foundation. She retired in 2013.\n\nKey terms: Domestic Violence; Gearhart, Sally Miller, 1931- ; Lane Community College (Eugene, Or.); Rape Crisis Network; Sex instruction  --  United States; Social Welfare and Social Work; Soviet Union -- Description and travel; United Way of Lane County; WAND; Women's Action for Nuclear Disarmament; Womenspace (Eugene, Or); Women's Shelters  --  Oregon  --  Administration."]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Janet Anderson (Interviewee)","Judith L. Raiskin (Interviewer)","Linda Long (Interviewer)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["In Copyright"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["https://scua.uoregon.edu/repositories/2/archival_objects/606984"]}},{"label":{"en":["Type"]},"value":{"en":["Moving Image"]}}],"summary":{"en":["The Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project Collection consists of interviews of 83 people for the Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project, conducted by Professor Judith Raiskin and Curator Linda Long at the University of Oregon starting in the summer of 2018."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["In Copyright"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/029/original/uo-logo-hires.png?1580744881","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/130/244/small/Coll520_do003.jpg?1636980469","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - Coll520_do003.mp4"]},"duration":5810.85867,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/130/244/small/Coll520_do003.jpg?1636980469","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-universityoforegonlibraries.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/130/244/original/Coll520_do003.mp4?1636980469","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":5810.85867,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["754_Coll520_do003_aligned [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: This interview is part of the Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4.25,8.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The recordings will be made available through the University of Oregon Libraries’ Special Collections and University Archives. This is an oral history interview with Janet Anderson on September 11, 2018, taking place in the University of Oregon Libraries’ recording studio in the Center for Media and Educational Technologies. The interviewers are Linda Long, Curator of Manuscripts in the UO Libraries’ Special Collections and University Archives and Professor Judith Raiskin of the UO Department of Women's Gender and Sexuality Studies. Janet, please let us know if you agree to be recorded for this project, and that you give your permission for the university to preserve and make available your recorded and transcribed interview.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=8.06,50.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Yes, I do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=51.14,52.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Thank you very much. Let's just start with the basic question then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=52.04,55.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Can you please tell us when and where you were born, where you grew up, and something about your early background?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=55.9,61.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Okay, I was born in Sauk Center, Minnesota in the middle of the Scandinavian belt. My mom was half Swedish and half German, and my dad was of Norwegian immigrants. Grew up in Minnesota and South Dakota. The favorite childhood memory is going to the lake, because my grandparents had a cabin on Eagle Lake. It was this wonderful two story cabin, and the second story had a sleeping porch. And that's where it had five beds in it and a crib, and that's where everybody slept. My grandparents, my parents, me, my aunts and uncles, my cousins. And then there was a little cottage right down by the lake, and there were more beds in that. But it was a wonderful childhood in terms of growing up there. I was an only child, but one of the biggest influences in my childhood was my grandmother. It was a very Republican household. My grandmother was very active in Republican politics, and she became the national president of the American Legion Auxiliary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=61.47,137.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was part of her whole life. And then she was— I think she was on the Republican National Committee.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=139.34,143.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She was very active in politics. My grandfather was a pharmacist, so he stayed home and by that point, there was just one child at home. But she was a very strong influence in my life. She was a very strong woman. She was born in 1886. And so here she was, this woman who became the national president of the American Legion Auxiliary. I have a picture in my home of her giving a poppy— on Veterans Day they give poppies— to President Roosevelt. He was a Democrat, but she didn't care. She had given a poppy to the President of the United States. It was a time when it didn't matter whether he was a Republican or Democrat, it mattered that he was the President of the United States. And I wish we could get back there. I don't myself don't think I would be that impressed by giving a poppy to President Trump. But then, nevertheless. It was a time where being a moderate was prized.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=144.12,208.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anyway, I guess when I was in fifth grade, my parents moved to Sioux Falls, South Dakota, and I finished my growing up in Sioux Falls. When I was in high school and junior high, my best friends were all girls. And when other people were dating, we'd have girls’ parties and there would be four of us that would get together and play cards, or play games, or whatever on a Friday and Saturday night. I did date every— oh, I know. Following in my grandmother's footsteps, I started taking leadership roles in high school. I was in Job's Daughters. Do you know anything about Job's Daughters? It's a Masonic organization for girls. Like the Eastern Star, or the Masons' DeMolay. I think the high school organization for boys. You wear white robes with purple capes, and I became the Honored Queen of Job's Daughters. We would have dances and parties and stuff at the ballroom, and I'd have to invite boys to go with me. I actually was even nominated for the homecoming queen. I was in the court, and I had to invite a boy to that because I wasn't dating.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=208.94,293.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One of the boys that I would invite was a guy named Jim Mucko, who my dad just loved because he was a farm boy and he had red hair. And he was tall, and gangly, and sort of a gee-whiz kind of guy. My dad just loved him. That was my dating history in high school. I did have one boyfriend, Charlie Terry, and I'm still in touch with Charlie. He lives in Santa Fe, and sends me jokes on the computer. I plan to go visit him when we start traveling after the first of the year. And my memory of him was making out on the couch in the basement while my parents were away, and all of a sudden realizing, \"Uh-oh, this could go someplace that I don't want to go.\" And breaking up with him right then. It was like, \"Uh-oh, that's too much.\" So I graduated from high school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=294.75,349.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What year did you graduate?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=349.14,350.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: I graduated from high school in 1965.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=350.16,352.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And you were born?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=352.71,353.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: In 1947. Okay, I graduated from high school and went to the University of Minnesota. And the significant thing about the University of Minnesota was— well, there were lots of significant things. But I met Bonnie my freshman year, we lived in a dorm and she lived across the hall. I just visited Bonnie, she's still my best friend. We would sit in the halls. I remember sitting on the stairs on the hall, and talking about all the stuff we were learning and humanities and stuff like that. Oh, it was so exciting! Things we were reading, and what it meant and what it meant for our lives.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=353.84,398.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we would take naps together, and cuddle up on those little single beds you have dorms and people thought we were lesbians.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=399.79,410.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we thought, Well, that's ridiculous. Of course, we're not lesbians. We just love one another. Second year at the university, I met Bill, Bill Mittendorf, and Bonnie met Hugh. And the four of us became inseparable for the rest of our time at the University of Oregon— University of Minnesota, excuse me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=410.38,434.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We're still in touch, the four of us, and we get together every couple years. There were Bill and I, and Bonnie and Hugh. And here we are, fifty years later. That was '65. Fifty years later, I'm a lesbian, Hugh's gay, Bonnie's bisexual, and Bill's married and has a couple of kids. Isn’t that funny? It was the whole spectrum. The whole spectrum. Anyway, we dropped acid and smoked dope. It's a wonder that I graduated from college, but I did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=438.28,480.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Were there anti-war protests that you were involved in?.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=480.33,483.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Oh, absolutely. University of Minnesota. Bill and I actually went to Milwaukee, Wisconsin and walked in an open housing march with Father Groppi. I think his name was Groppi. He was a Catholic priest who was leading open housing marches in Milwaukee. We did that, and we were also involved with anti-war stuff. I remember being at home and watching TV when Kennedy was killed. That was a really incredible time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=483.86,518.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Robert Kennedy?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=518.9,522.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Yes. Robert Kennedy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=522.53,522.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was taking acid like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=522.72,524.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Oh, it's fun. I would do it again but I— here I am retired. I could do it again, couldn't I? But it was really fun. At the end of college, it was the Vietnam draft as well and Bill knew that he didn't want to go and serve in the military. So, he became a Peace Corps volunteer and spent, I think, three or four years in Afghanistan as a Peace Corps volunteer. He and I had a very long distance relationships through the mail. It's amazing. I still have packs of letters that he sent me, and I don't know if he has packs of letters that I sent him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=525.15,583.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I shared them with him recently and actually passed them on because they were stories of his experience. But while Bill was in Afghanistan, I was in the process of figuring out my sexuality, which didn't help him one bit. Because he was missing me, and missing the United States, and missing his life. And here I was coming out and being kind of mean to him because of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=584.3,612.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Were you lovers with Bill?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=613.5,615.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Oh yeah. We lived together actually. It was a pretty good, it was a positive relationship.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=615.87,626.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Why were you coming out?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=626.26,630.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Well, okay, that's part of the story. I moved to Oregon, after a couple— I spent a couple years in Minneapolis, and then I moved to Oregon. Oh, I worked at the Mount Hood Community College Daycare Center.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=631.3,651.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What brought you to Oregon?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=651.76,652.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: My parents had moved to Portland between my sophomore and junior year, and they had really wanted me to move at that point, being the only child. But I had these strong relationships with Bonnie, Bill, and Hugh, and I wasn't about to leave the University of Minnesota. But a couple of years after we'd graduated, Bonnie was off to Europe, and Hugh was going to graduate school in Massachusetts, and Bill was in Afghanistan. And so I thought, what am I going to do? I moved to Portland to be close to my parents. I was living in Portland with two women, with Jan and Barbara. We lived in a house on the southeast side of Portland, a little bungalow with three bedrooms. I had the front bedroom, and Jan was next to me, and then Barbara had the back bedroom. We had a nice time, we were involved with— that was to the point when women's health issues were really a big deal. We were volunteering at the clinic. Two of us were. I was, and so was Jan. I was wearing contact lenses at that point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=652.91,729.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And at one point, I'd worn them too long, and I got a corneal abrasion. I had to be in bed with a big patch over this eye. And I realized that when I went to bed, we were all on our own bedrooms. But when I woke up, Jan was in Barbara's bedroom.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=729.26,748.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I thought, Huh! How about that?! And it was like, \"I think they're lesbians.\" I thought, Oh, what a good idea. Literally, I had never really considered it for myself because I was on this heterosexual path. And it was like, \"Oh, isn't this cool?\" That was really something. I moved to San Francisco, and Bonnie—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=749.69,781.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you ever talk to them about it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=781.04,782.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Yeah, we talked about it. It was— when was that? Let's see. That was probably between 1970. And feminism, it was the second— what was it called? The second—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=782.27,801.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Wave.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=801.87,802.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Second-wave of feminism, that's what it was all about. That's what we were reading about. That's what our activism was. That's what we talked about. I moved to San Francisco. I don't remember why, but I did. And sure enough, so here comes Bonnie. I was telling her how cool it was, and how she should really come out. She moved to San Francisco as well, and we were living together. I took a class and became a professional masseuse, and really enjoyed that work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=802.62,842.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I worked for this woman, this German woman who— it was a clinic. It was a massage clinic and we all wore white uniforms, like nurses' uniforms, and white shoes. It was a really fun job actually, because people were coming in feeling like this [gestures: shoulders close to ears], and they go out feeling like that [gestures: shoulders relaxed]. And that's very satisfying to give someone such immediate gratification. And of course, there were a couple of men who wanted extra favors, which I never granted. There was this one old guy who'd been a colonel in the army, because there's the Sixth Army headquarters are in San Francisco.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=842.48,884.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was a cavalry guy, and he still took care of the horses on the coast of San Francisco. So, he'd really like his butt massaged because had a sore butt. Anyway, that was a fun job. But I thought, there must be more to this intellectually, because it was a little intellectually not very challenging. I decided to go back to San Francisco State, go back to college, and start taking the classes that I never took. I hardly took any science classes when I was an undergraduate, because I was majoring in English. I started taking biology and physiology, and stuff like that, physics. And I just discovered, \"I love this. This is so interesting.\" And I got a job in physiology. Kinesiology was taught in the PE department. I got a job working for Bobby— no, no. I got a job working for a faculty member. I can't remember her name right now. If it comes to me, I'll tell you. In the PE department, and she was living in Half Moon Bay with her lesbian lover.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=885.36,958.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the meantime, I got involved with the Women's Center on campus. And there, Jamie Ramirez was the student director of the Women's Center. And, I started taking classes from Sally Gearhart at San Francisco State.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=960.12,975.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was that like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=975.91,976.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Oh, she’s funny. She was incredibly bright. She's challenging. It was just so much fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=976.71,986.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And what were the classes that she taught?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=986.5,988.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: I have no—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=989.18,990.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Speech or theater?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=990.64,991.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: No, I think it was women's literature, or speech, or exploring feminism. God only knows. It would be really nice to know that, I wish I knew that. Actually, Bonnie ended up owning land with Sally Gearhart in— .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=991.48,1009.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Willits.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1009.21,1009.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Willits. Willits. Yeah, she still owns the land. And Sally, sad to say, has got Alzheimer's. But they've recently made a film that she's featured in. It was just shown at the Gay Pride Festival in San Francisco, I don't know if you've seen it. But I saw a little clip, it's when I saw Bonnie last week. Anyway, I remember there was a woman in my class though, with Sally, who had just left the convent and she was coming out. It was like we're all coming out at once. I started having this hot affair with Jamie Ramirez in the Women's Center, and I ended up having an affair with her girlfriend. It was just like everybody was— it was so much fun. I just want to tell you. Bonnie decided that— well, she had a couple of affairs with women too, also was having affairs with men. And I moved over to Noe Valley. I've always had a weight problem my whole life, and I started going to Weight Watchers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1009.65,1094.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I met this woman named Cheron at Weight Watchers, and she had just been very successful. Cheron, I think she was working in a dental office at the time. I just totally— that was the first time I really fell in love with another woman. I don't know. It was— I don't know how to describe the affair other than we were together for quite a long time even after I'd moved to Eugene. Probably five years. But she'd been identified, self-identified as a lesbian for a lot longer than I had. Probably since high school or maybe before. She was just ending a relationship with another woman. I don't know, we just had a wonderful time together. There you go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1096.3,1161.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What kind of things did you do socially together?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1161.73,1163.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Well, we were still doing drugs. The psychedelics stuff. Not anything bad for you [laughs]. What did we do socially?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1165.86,1177.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you go to any bars?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1178.42,1179.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: I did. We did go in bars. We did go in bars. Not very much, though.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1180.41,1186.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I wasn't much into bars. I've never been into drinking that much, and so we didn't go to bars. But there were lots of women's music back then, Holly Near, and Alix Dobkin, and Margie Adams, and all of that whole crew. We would go to women's music things together, and we'd hang out with other women.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1187.05,1211.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you remember what you were reading then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1211.87,1214.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Mm-mm [negative]. You got some suggestions?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1219.5,1221.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: I was just thinking about how much lesbian publication there was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1222.33,1227.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But what year is this though?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1227.76,1228.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: This was '73, '74, '75.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1228.55,1228.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So it's mostly feminist.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1228.79,1233.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Mostly feminist. Yep. I remember all that, and then it was also crudely done in terms of how it was published. It was like hand drawings on the front and big print. I don't know. And there was a lot of lesbian sexuality stuff back then, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1233.6,1258.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you know gay men there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1259.46,1261.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Yes, I did. But we didn't hang out much. Mostly it was the women's movement thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1261.72,1270.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And you are still a student at this point?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1270.11,1274.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Yep. My goal was to be a physical therapist and I ended up, because I had this job at the PE department, discovering Athletic Training. That was very close to physical therapy, except that you are with healthy people in an athletic setting, rather than sick people in a hospital. And I go, \"Oh, this is sounds a lot more fun.\" And discovered that the University of Oregon had a graduate program in Athletic Training, so that's what led me back here. But going back to Cheron and my parents. All of this time, I was not out to my parents. I'd been formally out, probably from '72.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1274.07,1326.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Nineteen seventy-eight is when I moved back to Oregon. So, [I was out] for five or six years. And at one point, Cheron drove up with me to Portland to visit my parents. And in my bedroom at home, there were twin beds.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1326.44,1345.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And similar to my experience with Barbara and Jan, my mother opened the door on us in the morning to wake us up and we had gone to bed in two beds, and we were now in one bed. Cheron left the next day, so my mother was humphing around. And she said, \"I hope you're not expecting me to be shocked.\" And I said, \"Okay.\" I said, \"But you know that we know lots of lesbians.\" And she said, \"We do not.\" And gay people, and I said, \"Well, what about Rock Hudson?\", \"Well, he's not gay.\" And I said, \"Well, what about so and so.\" And this woman who was a friend of my grandmother's in Willmar, Minnesota, who was the PE teacher. \"Well, she wasn't gay.\" Well, if she wasn’t gay, nobody was gay, ever in the whole world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1346.42,1409.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She was such a dyke. And through my newly opened eyes, I could tell that, but my mother couldn't. Anyway, she said, \"Well, don't tell your father. You may not tell your father.\" And I never did. For the whole of his lifetime, I never told him. But I'm sure he figured it out. Because twenty years later, thirty years later, Evelyn and I got married and we told them. What’s he to think? But I never said the “L word” ever in front of my father. But it was interesting. A couple years later, I think I was— my mother was very social, and my dad was a manager of a branch of an insurance company. It was a Minneapolis company, and he was the manager for Oregon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1409.79,1465.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they were having a cocktail party for all the people that work for him. The door into the hallway where the bedrooms were was closed, and I was sitting behind it listening to the party. I didn't want to go to the party.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1466.09,1480.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And my mother was standing outside the door talking to someone, and she was telling them that I was a lesbian. And that it was okay with her, and that she was proud of me. So, my mother really got it, and she knew that I was okay. But she worried about me. She really worried about me until I got together with Evelyn. And then she stopped worrying because she knew that I had found the love of my life. It was really– ah, it sort of makes me cry. But I was really lucky that way. I think other people weren't so lucky. I haven't gotten to the Evelyn part of the story. I arrived in Eugene, this was in 1978, to go to graduate school at the University of Oregon. The deal about getting a degree in the PE department is it is the most closeted department on campus. The PE department is full of lesbians. It's just packed with lesbians. Almost all the women there are lesbians. But do you ever acknowledge it? No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1481.45,1562.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My friend Kate and I were both in the graduate program. She was from Seattle and come down to get her degree. We would go to the Riviera Room, and we would— all that kind of stuff. We would be involved with local women's issues, but we never talked about it at the University of Oregon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1565.51,1583.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you know any faculty who you thought were gay or lesbian?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1583.6,1589.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Oh, yeah. But I don't want to say their names because I don't know if they would appreciate that, but all these unmarried women. I mean, really. But before I met Kate, and before I got really involved, I remember moving here and I lived in a house on Twelfth and Washington. It was with easy walking distance to Gertrude's. You remember Gertrude's Café?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1589.28,1618.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What did they have at Gertrude's?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1619.11,1621.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Gertrude's was a women's cafe that had coffee and meals, but it was mostly a gathering place for lesbians. I remember going there in jeans and a T-shirt and feeling overdressed [chuckles]. Really, people were so into being dykey, it was just incredible. Anyway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1621.9,1650.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What did they wear?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1650.79,1651.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Oh, boots. They were Hoedads. There were Hoedads, which were people who planted trees in the forest, which is a heavy duty job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1651.65,1662.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, they wore boots, and they wore jeans jackets, and they wore shirts that were that tatters that had \"Dyke\" written across. I don't know. Here I was probably in a little flowered T-shirt and jeans. I don't know. But it was funny. There were hardly any femmy dykes at Gertrude's. But there were all these gathering places. The bookstore at Mother Kali’s was owned by two lesbian women.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1663.24,1693.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Although I think it was a collective. I don't think it was actually owned by anybody other than the collective. But there were lots of gathering places, and the Riviera Room. Here I was at graduate school moving past this, and Kate and I would go to the Riv Room.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1693.55,1710.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She had a problem with alcohol at that point, which I didn't really figure out until later, until she stopped drinking. I remember being there one night, and Russ Cagle, who was one of the faculty in the athletic training PE department, came in and sat down at the bar and had a drink.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1710.08,1732.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, my God, we were out. It was just— I was terribly embarrassed to have been found out by this faculty member.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1732.11,1744.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Even though it was mutual.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1744.9,1746.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Well, I don't know if it was mutual. I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1746.47,1748.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Why did he go to a gay bar?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1748.69,1750.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: I'm not sure if he was— I don't know. I don't know if he was aware that it was a gay bar, if he was seeing if any of his students were there, or if he was gay. But he didn't act very gay. He acted really macho kind of a guy. But I didn't know much about his personal life, so he might have been a macho gay guy. Who knows? Maybe he was just as embarrassed to see us, as we were to see him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1750.15,1777.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you dance at the Riv Room?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1777.16,1781.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Oh, yeah. Oh, dancing at the Riv Room. There was— this is one of these things that keeps coming up, I bet. Yup, we danced a lot at the Riv Room, it was fun. It was way fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1781.66,1794.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Were you ever there when the police came?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1794.38,1798.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: I never was. I never was. Did they come?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1798.3,1801.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1802.2,1802.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: No. At that time period, they came?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1803.85,1807.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1809.05,1809.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: I never even heard about that. Huh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1809.37,1812.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And assaults.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1813.0,1813.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Really? Huh. [affirmative].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1813.99,1816.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So you were studying to be now a sports—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1817.27,1822.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: A sports athletic trainer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1822.56,1824.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: —athletic trainer?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1824.38,1824.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Yeah. Certified Athletic Trainer. I graduated and I got a job at Lane Community College, often referred to as LCC. And again, it was in the PE department and there's a bunch of lesbians that are still around that you could talk to who have a whole different perspective on being a lesbian or being gay. Because, I think they were gay for a long time. Oh, dear. Okay. Do you want me to go into the awful stories?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1824.95,1859.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1859.36,1859.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Okay. When I was in San Francisco feeling sexually free, there was a bookstore, Good Vibrations. Actually they sold vibrators. Joani Blank was the owner of it. And somehow, someone asked if I would be willing to be in a book about masturbation. And I said, \"Sure\" [chuckles]. And it was a photography book, it was a picture book. I can't remember the name of the photographer, but she came to my house and I masturbated with this vibrator. And then the end— I started with my clothes on, and ended up on the bed with my clothes off. That was years before, that was three or four years before and I got a job at Lane Community College. I was hanging out there and the sex education class had a visiting professor who came in with all of these books, and one of them was this photograph book with me. And I even used my name, I said, \"Janet.\" I didn't say, \"Janet Anderson,\" thank God. Although I don't know what happened. One of the women on the basketball team went, \"Hey, here's Janet.\" Oh, no! Sue Thompson was my boss.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1859.45,1955.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The head of the department was Judy Drescher, Sue Thompson was the head of the Athletic Department. She called me into Judy Drescher's office, and they assumed that it was like white slavery, like I had been forced to do this and I did not disabuse of them of that notion. Here was my job on the line because of some stupid thing that I had done. They sympathized with me, \"Poor Janet, having been— “","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1955.97,1987.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What did they call you in for though?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1987.43,1988.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: The fact that I was in this book and that it had been revealed, and that was a problem with my job that I had been in a pornographic literature. It felt like it had been resolved, at least on that level. And then I went into— I had been asked by Bob Radcliffe, who taught strength training to come in and talk about sports injuries as related to strength training. And here's this girl, young woman in the class— who was also a lesbian, by the way, who had discovered me in the book and pointed it out to everyone in the department. She was just sitting in back like— [mimics quiet chuckling]. Bob Radcliffe introduced me and said, \"This is Janet Anderson. She's our athletic trainer and she's agreed to come in and give us a hand.\" The whole class just broke out in laughter. That's my embarrassing—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=1988.97,2059.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What was the title of the book? Would you want to say?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=2059.88,2064.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: What was the title of the book? It might have been Good Vibrations. I can't remember. I should go home and dig it out of this box. The bottom of the box in my closet. I don't have it on the shelf.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=2064.83,2075.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And put it in this collection.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=2075.82,2077.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Yeah, okay. I will. Something good to do. The other thing is that the back of the book, here are all these photographs of people masturbating. And then at the back of the book, there was a whole color pictures of people's vulvas. And of course— well, anyway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=2077.0,2099.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Was it by Tee Corinne?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=2099.72,2101.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Yeah. As a matter of fact, of course. She was the photographer, right? That's who it was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=2101.12,2110.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: She was the one that photographed you masturbating?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=2110.41,2112.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Uh-huh [affirmative]. So, am I famous for that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=2112.5,2115.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Such a rare privilege to be photographed by Tee Corinne!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=2115.6,2119.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: In a compromising situation. Oh, dear. Okay. I actually became a faculty at Lane Community College because I had a master's degree and the Faculty Union came and actually helped make me a faculty. And in the meantime, I was having a long distance relationship with Cheron. She was having other relationships. She not one to be— I was about to say monotonous, but I meant monogamous. She was having other relationships, and it just became clear at a certain point that this wasn't going to work out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=2119.06,2167.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She wasn't going to move to Eugene, and I wasn't going to move back to San Francisco. So, we broke up, and it sort of broke my heart because she was the first person that I've ever really, really been in love with. And so it took a long time after that before I found somebody. In the meantime, I was doing really fun and interesting work. Because being an athletic trainer was interesting and fun, mostly because of the relationships with the athletes. We would talk about interesting things and with both the men and the women.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=2167.92,2204.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They would come in to get their ankles taped, and watching people who were twenty years younger than I am growing up was just really fun and interesting. But as a job, there's only so many ankles you can tape, or people to send them to the whirlpool, before it gets kind of dull. And, traveling with teams going to Pendleton to watch a basketball game and tape ankles— that's really, really dull.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=2205.23,2233.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so I got really involved with Women's Action for Nuclear Disarmament, and I was one of the organizers locally. I actually even got on the national board and went back to Washington D.C.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=2234.52,2254.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to be on the board back there. But what came out of that was when talking about nuclear disarmament, basically it had to do with our antagonism to Russia, and the former Soviet Union. There was a trip offered, people-to-people trip from a group in Seattle called Earthstewards Network, and I decided I wanted to go on that. I think this was in 1985.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=2254.65,2283.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I went to the Soviet Union, and it was organized not by Intourist, which would have taken you to St. Basil's Cathedral, and the Hermitage, and all of those places but never have the opportunity to interact with people. This was organized by the organization that organized Soviet travel. We stayed at really tacky, awful hotels that Soviet citizens were staying at. And the food was just awful. But we got to go to labor union meetings, and we went to daycare centers, and we went to health care facilities. We went to collective farms and talked with collective people. We went to the women's groups and talked to the Soviet organizations for women that were organizing women. It was fascinating, and I decided that that's how I wanted to work for nuclear disarmament. Is that I wanted it to be a people to people thing, where we broke down cultural barriers and actually talked to the enemy. Because they kept going, \"Oh, Americans. We love Americans.\" I started taking groups of women.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=2286.4,2362.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"“Women's Journeys For Peace” is what we called them. I was working for Earthstewards Network at that point, but basically taking trips of groups of women to the former Soviet Union. I was doing this in the summers when I wasn't being an athletic trainer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=2362.59,2380.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What year was it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=2380.27,2383.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: This was an '86.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=2383.28,2384.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And still Soviet Union?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=2384.18,2386.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Uh-huh [affirmative]. It was the Soviet Union until '89. In '87, I organized an exchange. An exchange of track and field athletes. We took thirteen track and field athletes from the community colleges in Oregon and Washington, the Northwest Athletic Association for Community Colleges. We took them to the Soviet Union, and they were in some— we went to some athletic camps where Soviet kids were training. And they were in a couple of meets. We stayed in youth hotels where Sputnik— we were traveling with Sputnik as opposed to Intourist. That was the name of the organization. We stayed in these youth hotels where Soviet youth would go on vacation, and that was just fascinating. We were taking kids from Pendleton and Eastern Washington that had never been to— I don't know, California, and here they were in the Soviet Union. Their experience of cultural differences was huge. It was really fun. And then the next summer we brought Soviet track and field athletes here. And of course, they weren't going to send their losers. They were really quite good athletes. They were in the appropriate age range, but on their way to being Olympic athletes. And my favorite person on that trip was a guy named Yuri Repnikov. And Yuri, was a folk singer. They had sent him along to keep up the spirits, so that people could sing together. He and I developed a relationship and then I went to visit him several times— he lived in Kiev, he and his wife. And then he— Chernobyl, which was a huge nuclear disaster that happened around that time. He was sent to Chernobyl to cheer of the people who are cleaning up Chernobyl. He's gone now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=2386.57,2525.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But he was a wonderful, wonderful soul. I decided to— well, my job got cut in half because Lane Community College was having financial difficulties. And one of the ways that they thought they could save money was by making me instead of full-time, making me halftime. I decided to leave at that point and start my own company, which was a track and field— which was an exchange program between USA and USSR. It's called Link Up International, and it was a nonprofit. It was extremely nonprofit because I wasn't making any money I was— I was just making fun things to do. I did two more exchanges, bringing people there and bringing Soviets here. Altogether in between '84 and '89, I probably traveled back and forth to the Soviet Union about ten to fifteen times. It was really fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=2526.67,2592.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you speak any Russian?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=2592.76,2594.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Yes, I came back to the University of Oregon and took Russian from Fred Beebe, I think his name was. He was an odd duck, but this talk isn't about Fred Beebe. I learned some Russian and so I could have a conversation with someone that was like on a third grade level. Russian is a really complicated language, and I never got very good at it. But I could say greetings, and I could have conversations. I remember trying to have really serious in depth conversations that a three year old might have, and not having the resources to talk about anything more in depth. But a lot of the exchanges ended up being with what's now the Ukraine. It was people in Kiev, and Lviv, and so forth. It was very cool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=2595.02,2650.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And was there any space to be out in this work?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=2650.56,2654.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: I remember— it wasn't as through the Soviet Union wasn't creepy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=2655.4,2662.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The same kind of state that tries to manipulate you. As a matter of fact, I probably have a State Department file and I have always wanted to ask for it because it would be really interesting to see what the State Department was looking at. Because at one point when I was living in Eugene over by Monroe Park, we had some muckety-muck visiting us from the Soviet Embassy. I remember giving him a ride in the car, we drove up to Portland together. I'm sure I have a—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=2665.54,2707.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Background check.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=2708.24,2709.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Background check. But I remember someone confronting me about being a lesbian in the Soviet Union. It was a woman, she was Jewish. I remember getting furious at her and taking her aside and saying, \"Listen, you're Jewish, and I'm a lesbian. So what? You have no right to be calling me on the line for being a lesbian.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=2709.37,2732.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: She was American?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=2733.0,2733.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: No, she was Soviet. She should— here her people have been just incredibly discriminated against in the Soviet Union as being Jewish, and she was calling me up for being lesbian. Are you kidding? Anyway, I said, \"Layoff, lady.\" And she did. Okay, where am I in my story? Okay, WAND, Soviet Union. In 1986 in the midst of my getting involved with the USSR and still being at Lane Community College, there was a women's celebration on the sixth of March, International Women's Day. It was in the basement of the Presbyterian Church, and it was organized by this woman who was the president of the board at Rape Crisis Network. Her name was Evelyn Anderton. I was there to advertise Women's Journey for Peace and to get people to go with me. And Evelyn was at the Rape Crisis table and I had actually— she had caught my eye before at a party that I'd been to. But she was with somebody else at the time and I remember saying to somebody, [whispers] \"Who is that woman? And who is that woman?\" And they said, \"Well that's Evelyn Anderton, but she's with so and so.\" And I can't remember her name, I'm sorry. So I said, \"Well, she's with somebody else.\" I approached her and asked her if she'd like to go the Soviet Union, and she had just been traveling. She'd been traveling, went to China, and then she went to Australia, New Zealand. She just spent all this travel time and money and wasn't about to have the time and energy to go, but we connected. And my friend Kate, who I referred to earlier that we'd gone to the Riv Room, she was back in town because her partner, Deborah, was in graduate school at the University of Oregon getting her Ph.D. in counseling or psychology. And I asked Evelyn out. I was living on one corner at Twelfth and Monroe, and they were living at the other corner opposite the park.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=2734.22,2898.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I remember going over to their house and going, \"What should I wear? What if she doesn't like me?\" And then I said, \"What if she does?\" We went to— there was a concert at the Hult Center, and then we kept dating and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=2898.97,2922.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What happened to her girlfriend?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=2922.5,2924.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: They had broken up by this point. This is about six months, a year later. And then our next date we went to the Eugene Celebration crowning of the S.L.U.G. Queen, that was a-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=2924.44,2938.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you describe that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=2938.11,2939.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Oh, the S.L.U.G. Queen. City of Eugene had a festival every year called the Eugene Celebration, and it was full of frivolity and silliness. And every year they would select a S.L.U.G. Queen, and the S.L.U.G. Queen would wear ridiculous costumes and be outrageous, as outrageous as they possibly could. And sing ridiculous songs and do comedy routines as part of their selection process. That was the S.L.U.G. Queen, it was a very cultural experience. Of course, this was in the summer of 1986 and I wanted to move in. I was in love with her. This was it. I found the woman of my dreams. I wanted to move in, because it's a typical—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=2943.68,2994.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was it that made you fall in love with her?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=2994.93,2997.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Oh, she was smart, and she was funny, she was interesting. She's a wonderful woman, she has a kind heart. She had had interesting— she was a feminist. What's not to love about Evelyn? She was a totally different background than I came. Here I, a Minnesota Scandinavian single child. And she was San Francisco Irish Catholic, six children in her family. It was totally different backgrounds, that really attracted me to her. She loved cats, I love dogs. I don't know what attracted me to her. She was wonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=2997.27,3057.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anyway, I wanted— this is the lesbian thing, you meet somebody, you fall in love, and you move in. Like that [snaps fingers]. And she said, \"Uh-uh. No, absolutely. I've made too many mistakes in relationships, we're not going to move in together.\" She said, \"I wouldn't move in with you until we go through counseling.\" I said, \"All right.\" And we started seeing a lesbian counselor. She took us through all this relationship stuff. We probably saw her for a year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=3058.75,3093.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Although at the beginning we saw her every week, and then we saw her every other week, and then we saw her once a month. I remember me saying— I remember I'd be questioning something that had happened, and the counselor said, \"Wait a second. Wait a second. We talked about that months ago, remember?\" She was a really good counselor. She would actually remember what you said. She was really good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=3094.07,3126.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was her name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=3126.94,3128.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: I can't remember [Mary Ann Klausner]. It would come to me if I thought about it harder. I'll let you know if it pops up. Anyway, it got to the point where we were talking about things like where to put the TV. Because Evelyn didn't want that to be prominent in the house, and I sort of wanted to have it available to watch. Down to that level of conflict resolution, which is so miniscule and small, but I think can really ruin people's relationships, because they're not used to dealing with the conflict of everyday life. It was so valuable. Oh gosh, I wish I could remember her name. I'll have to call Evelyn and ask her. Anyway, after a year, in June of 1987, we moved in together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=3128.07,3185.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How long have you been together now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=3186.83,3188.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Well, we've been together, it's thirty-two years, right? '87, '97, 2007.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=3189.2,3199.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Almost thirty-two years. Well, thirty-two if you count when we met, which was in '86. And we've had a wonderful life together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=3199.86,3213.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And as I said, when I first introduced my mother to Evelyn— Evelyn to my mother, and when I moved in with her, my mother had a sigh of relief and she stopped treating me like a child. Here I was forty years old and my mother finally stopped treating me like a child. I think, lucky for the people that get married young, they can have a different relationship with their parents. But my mother also loved Evelyn. As a matter of fact, she would introduce her as, \"My other daughter.\" And my dad loved Evelyn, too. My dad would be in his chair, and Evelyn would lie on the sofa and they'd watch baseball together. He really liked her, too. Obviously, he figured out that we were life partners, so there you go. That's the story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=3215.23,3283.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, I know. I'd been doing Link Up International, and Evelyn had still been volunteering. She'd gotten a small inheritance and she could live on that for a while. It got to the point that every month when we'd pay our bills, I'd break into tears because— you didn't make any money doing nonprofit exchanges with the Soviet Union.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=3286.3,3313.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We were looking for a job, each of us. We saw this job advertised at Womenspace, which is the battered women's or domestic violence program in— serves Lane County, Oregon. We applied together and got the job as co-directors. It was a very small organization at that point, the offices were in a garage in the back of the shelter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=3315.41,3344.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There wasn't a program in the schools, and there wasn't a program for people who were leaving domestic violence situation and transitioning. There was no transitional program. It was this tiny little office in the garage. And we did that for a couple of years, about a year and a half. I took the fundraising part of the job, and Evelyn took the operational part of the job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=3345.99,3378.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was going to United Way meetings and so forth. What ended up happening, was that we were all consumed by this job and this issue. We couldn't talk about anything else. We never got away from work, because we were talking about employees, and women, and whether or not— we'd been donated a Cadillac by somebody.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=3380.09,3403.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This old big Cadillac, which is we would drive out to the restaurant where people would go when we would meet them. We'd drive this great big Cadillac out to pick them up and their kids. I really enjoyed the United Way portion of it, and so I ended up getting a job at United Way and Evelyn became the full-time director. She was the director at Womenspace for about eleven years. It was an incredibly stressful job, as you can imagine. Because not only is the work stressful, but it affects employees. It was stressful for everybody. And being a supervisor of employees that are under stress is not fun. I would help out, and we'd do a lot of jigsaw puzzles.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=3403.61,3458.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because when you're doing a jigsaw puzzle, all you can really think about is, \"Where's that little green piece that goes in the upper right corner? That has three ”innies” and an “outy”. It's perfect medicine for stress relief. Anyway, I loved my job at United Way. I'm a natural extrovert, and so being at United Way— first I was working in the part of United Way where you work with the agencies. And then I transitioned from that into the part where you're actually doing campaigns and businesses, and that was fun, because I got to know all sorts of business people and all sorts of work situations that were really interesting. Weyerhaeuser was really an interesting company. I have a lot more tolerance than a lot of lesbian feminists for capitalism, because of my experience with United Way. Because I met some really fine people. I just had a discussion recently with somebody who's a young dyke working in the Forest Service, who is just so antagonistic towards lumber companies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=3458.7,3538.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it's like, I actually don't mind tree plantations. This is terribly politically incorrect. But I live in a wooden house, and I have wooden furniture, and people are making their livings doing this. If they want to have a tree plantation where they grow fir so it meets our needs, I think that's fine. And the Forest Service, they don't have to deal with national forests. Stay out of forests. We don't come out against corn farmers— although maybe we do. Or hazelnut farmers. Anyway, I digress.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=3539.51,3577.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: These people, they were on the board? Or they would donate?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=3577.52,3580.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: No. I would go into companies and speak to the employee groups.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=3580.9,3584.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: About?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=3584.81,3586.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: About social service agencies and about how they could help feed people, and clothe people, and help women in domestic violence, or help kids at Parenting Now!, or Birth to Three as it was called then. Basically what happens at United Way is that you give a portion of your paycheck every paycheck to United Way, and then United Way divides among the agencies. It was the exposure to businesses of actually meeting with the workers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=3586.74,3617.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How many organizations were under United Way?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=3618.8,3621.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: I think there were twenty-five to thirty. It was a nice— it included things like the Boy Scouts, and Girl Scouts, and Camp Fire. It was the youth development organizations, and then there were the food, housing, medical care, White Bird Clinic, all that kind of thing. And then it was people with disabilities, Pearl Buck Center, Direction Services, Alvord-Taylor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=3622.56,3651.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Mobility International?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=3651.56,3652.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: No. Nope. Mobility was never— no, huh-uh [negative]. But that's the other thing that we like to do in our relationship, which we love to host international visitors. We've hosted tons and tons of people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=3653.52,3666.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You mean when women come for Mobility International, they stay with you and homestay?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=3666.23,3671.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Yeah. Mobility International, we do it with— Evelyn today is picking up Filadelfia. Filadelfia is a woman from Uzbekistan from Tashkent, who is going to be studying at the University of Oregon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=3671.27,3685.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She's going to stay with us for two weeks before she moves into the dorm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=3685.44,3689.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How did she come by the name Filadelfia?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=3689.42,3693.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: They have six kids and her father— all of them are in the medical field. And I think her father had aspirations for her to come to America, and he named her Filadelfia. It's F-I-L-A-D-E-L-F-I-A, Filadelfia. We get to meet her this afternoon. Evelyn's picking her up today. Those two places, Mobility. Oh, and we have hosted people from the Eugene Opera who come to visit, and that's been fun. We've actually visited these people we hosted. We went to Bahrain, where we had— Faten was one of our homestay people, and she said, \"Come and visit.\" And we thought, Really? Bahrain?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=3693.02,3742.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know where Bahrain is? It's in the right hand lower part of the Saudi peninsula, and it's right on the Persian Gulf. We said, \"Yeah, we'll come and visit.\" I don't think she ever expected that we actually would because Muslim families are very close. It's one of those cultures, and they don't have— their homes are very family oriented, and they don't have parties and invite people over. If they have a party, they have it outside their home, but not inside.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=3742.92,3774.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We went and spent two weeks with her. You don't like to go someplace and come back home— actually, we spent a week with her. We looked at the map and there was Iran right across the Persian Gulf. And we thought, Let's go to Iran. This was about five years ago. In about 2013, we went to the organization that I had worked with in Seattle organizing Soviet trips and said, \"Can you get us into Iran?\" And he did all the research and found the organization in Iran that was the travel agency. And we went through him and bought the tickets, and we said, \"We want a woman guide. We don't want any male guide. We want a woman guide.\" The trip was the two of us and the woman guide, and we went to three different cities. We had a driver who supposedly didn't speak English, although when we asked our guide a question that she didn't want to answer, she would answer a different question. So, I think that he did understand English.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=3774.53,3857.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we wore scarves, and it was in the winter and so we wore long black coats. Anyway, where was I? United Way. Okay, so I went from doing the business part of United Way to doing major gifts, and in that case I was asking wealthy individuals in town for—it started out being a $1,000. We started in leadership giving society of people to give $1,000 a year, and then we started a different society for people to give $10,000 a year. I met a lot of the movers and shakers in Eugene.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=3857.24,3900.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How do you cultivate those relationships?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=3900.05,3902.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: How do I cultivate those relationships? By being interested in people and getting to know their families, and memorizing the names. I used to know the names of lots of wives and children. And then I got to know the wives, and there are social events. And you get to know their business and you ask them about their business.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=3903.54,3929.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's just being social, and appreciating them, and thanking them, and then telling the story. Because people are interested actually in the story of what's going on in whatever it is at Womenspace, or at Birth to Three, or at Boy Scouts, or whatever. And so telling them stories about what their money is doing, and what a difference they're making in the world, and how grateful you are for that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=3930.93,3960.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"From United— and then I was out. After I left my community college as the athletic trainer, I've been out the whole rest of the time. I was not ever going to get a job where I had to lie about who I was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=3962.6,3977.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How is it coming out? How do you come out? And what's the opportunities to come out in this kind of business relationship?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=3977.34,3983.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: I would introduce Evelyn as my partner. Bonnie— going back way to Bonnie. Evelyn and I are planning a trip to the deep South after the first of the year, and we want to do this because for a bunch of reasons. But Bonnie made me promise that I wouldn't come out to somebody the first thing, \"Will you please not tell someone that, 'This is my wife and we were married three years ago.'?\" I'm not hesitant about coming out to pretty much anybody.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=3984.58,4025.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: It is hard to come out. And if you're— you have to do it some way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4025.77,4029.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"By introducing Evelyn, you can do that. When you have the women coming to homestays from Mobility International, are you out to them from different parts of the world?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4029.75,4039.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Well, we go to bed in the same bed. And we don't necessarily talk about getting married or being lesbians, but I think they figure it out really quickly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4039.34,4051.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: I wonder what they think coming from some of the countries that come from where it's illegal?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4051.47,4055.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Yeah. One of the people— okay, so our current people in town, because you host somebody from the university one year and then they stay for the next five. And then they come to Thanksgiving, and they will come for the birthday, so we maintain relationships with them. And the people that are in town right now are two young women from China, both undergraduates at the University of Oregon. They're not very curious. It's interesting. They just accept it as the way it is. And the other two is a woman from Iran who's who finally got a G.E. Is that what they call that? Graduate employment?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4055.63,4105.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Yeah, graduate employee.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4106.29,4107.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: A graduate employee so she can stay. She got a graduate degree in Italian, and then she got a graduate degree in International relations. And now she's entering the business school to get an M.B.A. She's just really doesn't want to go home. Marzieh is her name, and she's very international. She's very sophisticated and she got it right away. Farah is the other student and she's from Pakistan, very wealthy family in Pakistan. Getting a Ph.D. in journalism, and she's sophisticated enough, too and they both celebrated our anniversary. We invited them to our wedding. I don't know. Nobody's ever gone, \"I'm not going to stay with them because they're lesbians.\" I think they're just so grateful to have two friendly people welcoming them to the United States.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4107.74,4174.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you tell us something about your weddings, or wedding?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4174.59,4179.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Well, we got domestically partnered when that became legal. We were one of the first fifty people in line. And our best friend Jan and Penny— Penny Palmer and Jan Becker, do you know them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4180.58,4195.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No? They came down to help us celebrate and then they thought, Well, let's do it, too. Sally Sheklow was there giving away pie slices and stuff, it was really fun. We did that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4196.71,4208.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: This was a domestic partnership?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4208.95,4211.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Domestic partnership.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4211.12,4211.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What year was that? Do you remember?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4211.96,4218.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: No. Do you remember? It was in the '90s, wasn't it? It wasn't in the 2000's. I don't think. I would think it's in the late '90s. Or was it—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4220.82,4228.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: I don't know. It was after the ballot measures.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4228.13,4231.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Okay. It was—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4232.2,4233.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: It was in the twenty-first century.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4233.15,4234.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Okay. In the twenty-first century. There you go. If I had my phone, I could look it up. But then, marriage got legalized by the Supreme Court, gay marriage. And that was three years ago.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4234.8,4254.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: 2015.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4254.47,4255.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Yeah, 2015. And it was legalized in June, I think. Or May or June, sometimes like that. We planned our wedding for August. We were not going to be sitting around. The other thing that happened that's interesting in terms of our life is that I had been raised Episcopalian, and Evelyn had been raised Catholic, and neither of us had been to church since college. We went to college and we graduated from Christianity. And my mother— my dad died in 2003, and my mother moved here in 2005— my dad died in 2001, my mother moved here in 2003. And she was still an Episcopalian.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4255.22,4305.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Had been staunch Episcopalian, very involved at the church. She was one of the people that counted the money, my dad mowed the lawn. He was on vestry. We started going to church with her at the Episcopal Church over on Coburg Road, St. Bartholomew's. We would sit in the pew and we'd listen to this service and both of us would be weeping by the end of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4305.9,4332.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was like this whole spiritual part of ourselves that we had been totally ignoring all this time. We're not the kind of people that get into Buddhism, or the other non-Western religions. I think that there are people that find solace, and comfort, and enlightenment there. But, we're kind of ordinary mainstream gals. Going to a Christian church just felt like the right thing to do. We started going to church there. My mom got too sick to go and we continued to go. And one Sunday, the minister who was English preached a sermon against gays and lesbians and called it sinful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4332.89,4382.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we were astonished. It was 2004. And what on earth was he thinking? We went in and talked to him and made an appointment and said, \"What are you talking about?\" And he said, \"Well...\" It was in the Bible. It says that marriage is a institution between men and women for the purpose of having children. And we said, \"But we're fifty years old, we can't have children. What are you talking about? That that doesn't apply. That doesn't apply to human beings. Not everyone wants children. Besides, it has to do with love and not about having children. And the Bible doesn't say that anyway. And even if it did, it's wrong.\" Anyway, so we stopped going to that church and we started looking around for a church that we could go to because we wanted to experience Christianity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4384.37,4449.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, we found First Christian Church, Twelfth and Oak. Dan Bryant was the minister and we'd known Dan Bryant for years. Worked with him, he's very involved with Health and Human Services and with helping the poor. We started going there, and it felt like home.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4450.12,4469.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We've started doing that. Back to the wedding. It wasn't a problem finding a place for the wedding. We called up Dan and April— there’s now a woman minister. We wanted them both involved because April was wonderful. We started planning in June and by August, the end of August, the thirtieth of August is our anniversary. I think we had 150 people there. It was great, it was so much fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4470.59,4512.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I've gotten involved in the meantime volunteering. I've retired, and I've gotten involved with the Assistance League of Eugene. I found my dress at the Assistance League, I paid $8 for it. Evelyn went to the Folkways and spent over $100 for hers. But she doesn't wear dresses, so she needed the practice. But the church has miserable space for a reception. It's just— the church is over 100 years old, and the basement of the church is where homeless people sleep all winter long. We didn't want to have the reception there, but Lane Community College had just built a lovely new downtown building that had these conference rooms and meeting spaces that were just lovely. That would seem so appropriate, because here I was a former employee of Lane Community College. We arranged to have the reception there. Well, that is about four blocks away from the church. We thought, Here's an opportunity. We bought everyone in the congregation a purple pom-pom.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4513.77,4591.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we hired the One More Time Marching Band, which is made up of men and women who played in bands when they were in high school, who are now in their forties, fifties and sixties. They led a parade of all of us from the church over to Lane Community College Downtown Center with purple pom-poms. My friend Steve who is a straight as straight can be who has joined Rotary the same time I did, he got up at Rotary the next Friday and said, \"I just want to tell you, I have $5, a happy buck, to tell you that I spent last Saturday at Janet Anderson's wedding.\" He said, \"I never thought I'd go to a lesbian wedding and march down the street with a purple pom-pom.\" Because of my experience after I was at United Way, I got to be the director of the Lane Community College Foundation and I spent the last ten years of my career there. Because of both of those situations that United Way and at Lane Community College, about half our friends are lesbians. Our closest friends are lesbians. The people that we spend most of our time socializing with. But a whole bunch of people that I know and love in this community are straight, and I like that about our life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4592.53,4679.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: When I think about the kind of education that you've given to a good swath of Eugene that isn't gay. Yeah, it's interesting living.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4679.86,4689.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Yeah. The people that didn't think they knew any gay people, now do. Earlier in this conversation, I alluded to the fact that I've always had a weight problem. And when I left LCC and retired, I decided it was time to start paying attention to this. I decided I wanted to kick it off by going to a spa. I did all sorts of research about spas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4689.94,4726.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You sit at the computer and you look at the pictures of all these different places, weight loss spa. And every single one of them, the pictures that they had online were just of thin people. And I thought Who wants to go there? I'd be the only fat person there, I don't want to go there. And then I found this place at Duke University called the Duke University Diet and Fitness Center, and they have pictures of fat people. And I thought, There's where I want to go. And I went for the first time when I retired in 2013, and Evelyn went with me. It was a four week program.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4726.46,4764.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And every week, besides— you go to classes all day long, they feed you three meals a day. You get there at 7:30 and have breakfast, and then goes to the water aerobics class. And then you get dressed and go through nutrition class. Plus every week, you see a nutritionist, a counselor, a therapist, the medical people, and a fitness specialist. And we were there for four weeks. Evelyn was there as a support person, which is how she is. She's just so wonderful. And within the next year, I lost ninety pounds. I pretty much managed to keep it off. I gain back ten or twenty, and then I lose it. I don't know why I'm telling you this story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4765.23,4812.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You found a new phase of your life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4812.3,4815.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Yeah. Retirement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4815.83,4817.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You have time to attend to things that have been on the back burner.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4817.18,4821.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Exactly. Exactly. Oh, I know. This last time I went— I've been the first time for four weeks with Evelyn. And then I've been back twice more. And the last time I went was in May, and my friend Bonnie, my best friend, she went with me. And that's where she's said— it’s about coming out. Pretty much I came out to everybody there, and I came out pretty quickly. Because why beat around the bush? Plus the fact that there were two other lesbians there who weren't coming out to anybody. And after I did, they did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4822.02,4858.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You had sensed that they were.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4859.09,4862.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Oh, yeah. We know. We were at a memorial service last Saturday, and there were two women there. I said to Evelyn, \"Look, we got some more lesbians over there.\" And she said, \"Yeah, you can tell by their shoes.\" You know, sensible shoes that we wear. Anyway, that's when Bonnie said, \"Janet, if you go to the South, promise me that you aren't going to say, 'Oh, this is my wife lesbian ...'\" my wife lesbian. \"... my wife Evelyn.\" Within the first three minutes when I meet someone. She's worried about my safety in the deep south, and I guess we should worry about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4862.21,4908.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Where are you going?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4908.66,4909.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: We want to go to— we’ve been to the big cities. We've been to New Orleans, we've been to Atlanta. Been to Durham and Raleigh. But we've never been in Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia— well, Atlanta.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4911.71,4925.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4925.04,4931.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Would you look up gay organizations there? Or gay hostels? Or— I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4931.15,4935.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Yeah. A lot of the people I went to Duke with live in the South, and so looking up them. Looking up gay organizations. I'd like to go to a black church or a bunch of black churches. We keep saying, \"Oh, let's do that. Oh, let's do that.\" How to connect with people. We're reading some interesting books. I'm reading a book called Deep South by Paul Theroux. Some of it sounds pretty scary. Then there's going to Graceland and seeing Elvis Presley's home. Going to the Grand Ole Opry, going to the stuff like that. Evelyn's a horse woman, she's ridden horses. Going to the Kentucky horse places. I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4935.82,4985.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So you both have traveled a lot, and so you're planning to travel more in your retirement?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4985.54,4989.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: We have. We've traveled a lot. And a lot in the Middle East, which has been really interesting. We traveled to Egypt, and Turkey, and Bahrain, and Iran, and Jordan. We did that part. And we've traveled in Asia, we've been to Thailand, and Vietnam, and Cambodia, and China. But we like experiencing places with different cultures. And so we thought, there is one right in our own country. I started on this before. But part of the reason that we want to go is to experience a different culture, but also I want to learn how to be more tolerant. And I want to learn how to be able to listen to someone and maintain a relationship. One of the things that happened the last time I was at Duke is that there was this couple from Texas. It was Maria and Larry, and we had the best time. We'd eat meals together, we went out to dinner together. You get to go out Saturday and Sunday night, and that’s your free meals. We'd laugh a lot. We had the same sense of humor. We just had the best time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=4990.05,5070.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But twice, she was— they're both well educated. He was an engineer. She had executive positions with Exxon, internationally.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5071.65,5082.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She was in charge of human resources for Exxon in Palau. And then in China. I can't remember where exactly. Anyway, one day we had a conversation on gun control. They were here and we were here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5083.34,5103.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so we went on. And then, a couple days later we had a conversation about immigration. We couldn't have been further apart, and it really upset me. At one point, Maria said— and her background, by the way is that she was a Cuban refugee. And I think Cuban refugees tend to be really, really conservative. She said, \"Do you know— \" And her son had married a Latino and was living down in Brownsville, Texas. She said, \"Do you know that in Brownsville, they give free meals to children and they aren't even citizens?\" I was like, \"We don't want people starving in America.\" I was just—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5105.47,5150.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And you'd come from United Way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5150.7,5152.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: I know. I was just furious and upset. I went home. And here's this woman that I really liked having this horrible point of view. I went in the next morning and I said, \"Maria, I really don't want our conversation yesterday to interfere with our friendship, because I really like you guys.\" She said, \"Oh, that was just politics.\" And I want to be able to call on a reserve like that so that— it just makes me want to cry [Janet tears up]. That I can be different from somebody and still have a conversation with them. That people cannot be a lesbian and still love me. That they can be Republican and I can still care for them. And if things have gotten so polarized in the United States, that is really hard to do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5152.19,5210.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Most of your lifetime work has been about connection, and things are so different right now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5210.18,5218.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Yeah. And I don't think it's just their fault. And you know who they are. I think it's our fault, too. There was an article in The New York Times today about the economic crash in 2008, and what happens after the economic crashes often is there's a rise of populism. And that both on the right and on the left, people are more confrontational and unable to hear each other. I think that's what's happened. And the scary thing is— they've done this research all over the world. In economies in Africa, and South America, and Asia, and Europe. That what happens after this populist uprising is that it often leads to war, and they likened it to the Great Depression. And that there were populist uprisings then, and where did it go? It led to World War II. There's something to be scared about. Anyway, that's why we want to go to the South.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5218.7,5295.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What sounds like a lot of what you do for entertainment or—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5295.14,5301.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Entertainment—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5303.57,5304.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: —or the things that you want to do in retirement, you're still learning. You're still wanting to learn, and change, and grow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5304.04,5314.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Yeah, absolutely. And buy cheap clothes at thrift shops. I want to visit thrift shops in the South.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5314.21,5322.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you think about particular issues about aging?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5322.77,5328.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Gosh, we don't have very many years left. It sounds kind of scary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5328.42,5333.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One of the things that's positive about my losing weight and having two knee surgeries is I'm more active than I've been in twenty-five years. And that's a good thing about aging. Because I don't have siblings, and because we didn't have children, I worry about aging and who's going to take care of me. Especially if Evelyn dies first.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5337.5,5363.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you have any ideal images or ideas about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5364.07,5367.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Ideal images about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5367.73,5375.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: About where you might want to age. Or if you were to go into assisted living, what that might be like as a lesbian. Any ideas about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5375.44,5386.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Yeah. I'm trying to get everybody I know to agree to go into senior living together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5386.49,5393.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Have you chosen one?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5396.95,5397.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Huh?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5397.8,5397.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Have you chosen one?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5398.26,5398.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: No. No. I like the notion of going into senior living that has levels of care. Cascade Manor makes sense, but it's so expensive and not everybody I love could go there. My friend Barbara has just moved into Washington Abbey, which doesn't have levels of care, but boy, is she happy. Her partner, Jean, died of cancer and they were very isolated. I think I'm her only friend in Eugene that she still sees.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5398.84,5437.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She's very close to her kids, who all live in Washington. She's got this huge Facebook relationship with them. But literally, I'm her only friend in Eugene. And now her social circle is expanded to the other people that live at Washington Abbey, and she has dinner with people, and she goes to groups and does yoga. And I don't think that she's in the closet there. I think she talks about Jean. She said, there are some people that are very intolerant, but I don't think that's— and there's another gay man that lives there. But I think that she's found acceptance there as a lesbian.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5438.28,5481.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't worry about being around straight people, because I've been out for such a long time. I don't worry about discrimination. If people discriminate against me, it’s like I told the Soviet woman, \"Get over it.\" My doctor is a lesbian. My dentist is a lesbian. What I do worry about actually is more of the lesbian movement going away, and the new focus on gender/transgender stuff. It isn't as though women's issues are totally resolved and we're free at last. It bothers me that there isn't a place for lesbians anymore other than the Women's Studies Department. At Lane Community College there used to be a women's center, and now it's a gender center. I guess my focus has not so much been on lesbian issues politically, it's been more of a feminist perspective for all women. But I don't even see that being very— we need a third-wave of feminism, and who knows when that's going to happen? Maybe when this one has gone away.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5483.84,5576.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was a great quote by Warren Buffett in the paper this morning about the articles about the populism, and it was, \"You never know when someone's swimming naked until the tide goes out.\" And it was in response to you never know when somebody's swimming naked— it was talking about the companies that were being leveraged to the “nth” degree, and then the economy— so it doesn't have anything to do with this conversation, but I loved it. I loved the quote.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5577.77,5616.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: I'm wondering. I was thinking about are we in the midst of a change from a kind of feminism to a new kind of feminism? And the #MeToo movement, and that things might be happening. It's hard to see when you're in the midst of it, what change is happening in terms of feminism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5616.05,5633.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: The #MeToo movement is wonderful, it is. Well, and all the women that are winning these primary elections, or might be in Congress, or governors, state houses. That's really exciting. I know yesterday we got back and had all this mail from being away for ten days, and we haven't really made any political donations this year. We got one from Jean Tate, talking about the commissioner, the woman that was running for Lane County Commissioner seat. She got most votes, but not 50 percent. So, she has to be in a runoff. And so Jean said, \"Wouldn't it be wonderful if in the fall after November, there were four guys and one good woman on Lane County?” We thought, we'll send her money for sure. And the other was Emily’s List. And we thought we're— because I don't like giving to the Democratic Party because they call you every five minutes and send you stacks, and stacks, and stacks of mail. Emily’s List is going to support women candidates, so we're going to send them money. And the other was Southern Poverty Law Center. And after reading this stuff about reading Paul Theroux what's going on in the South, we're going to send them money.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5634.09,5715.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And in the Pacific Northwest.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5715.74,5718.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Huh?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5718.64,5719.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And in the Pacific Northwest, the history of white nationalism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5719.16,5722.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Oh, well. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5722.64,5723.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: That Southern Poverty Law Center follows.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5723.41,5726.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Do they?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5726.5,5727.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Mm-hmm [affirmative].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5727.39,5727.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Oh, I didn't know them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5727.81,5728.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: We're in the midst of change and you've lived in Eugene a long time, and you've done a lot of work, both in lesbian community and in the general community. I'm wondering if you have any thoughts or advice or comments to a young person who might be watching this video?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5728.9,5749.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: That's hard and easy. I guess it would be to follow their heart, and to trust other women, and to work hard, and to be open. Oh, and to give back. Do good work. Find somebody to love.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5753.02,5791.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Find an Evelyn.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5791.7,5792.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: Find an Evelyn. You'll be a lot happier. Get married, and get a dog.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5792.84,5802.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Thank you very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5802.8,5806.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anderson: You're welcome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5809.11,5809.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5809.74,5809.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[END OF INTERVIEW]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244#t=5809.86,5809.96"}]},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55963/file/130244/transcript/92565/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/565/original/754_Coll520_do003_aligned.vtt?1776852341","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/565/original/754_Coll520_do003_aligned.vtt?1776852341"}]}]}]}