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She had a large Irish-Italian Catholic family. She describes her neighborhood, which was populated by many of her relatives. Barb was a tomboy growing up. As a young adult while living in Pennsylvania, Barb came out. Around that time, she heard about Mother Kali's Books and the lesbian community in Eugene. She came to Oregon in 1980 to attend the University of Oregon. She describes the lesbian community. She describes the character of the Riviera Room, and she describes the Riviera's women's night on Thursdays. Barb talks about the various student groups at UO and the process of building coalitions among them. She describes homophobic harassment directed at her and others while she was director of the variously-named LGBTQ student group. Barb describes the different classes she took at UO, which emphasized cultural diversity. She also talks about having a baby and the community of friends who helped when her child was growing up. She and others were a part of a lesbian parenting group. Barb and her family protested the Oregon anti-gay political measures. Barb became a counselor. She talks about the support groups she created for lesbians. She concludes her interview by discussing aging in the lesbian community.\n\nKey terms: Alternative insemination; Artificial insemination, Human; Associated Students of University of Oregon (ASUO); Bars (Drinking establishments)  --  Oregon -- Eugene; Berrigan Brothers; Bomb threat; Camilio, Cheryl; Catholicism; Children of the Light; Communal living; Counseling psychology; Diversity and inclusion; Domestic abuse; Feminist bookstores; Funk, David; Foster mothers; Gay People's Alliance (University of Oregon); Hate crimes; Lesbian community; Lesbian mothers -- United States; Love Loves Fear (book); Midwifery  --  United States; Nudity; Oregon Citizens Alliance; Oregon Social Learning Center; Pacifism; Parenting; Parents \u0026amp; Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG); Philips, Laura; Pope, Barbara Corrado; Rape Crisis Network; Reading (Pa.); Riviera Room; Self-insemination; Sexual Assault Support Services; Socialism; Spirituality; Suicide; University of Oregon. Women's Studies Program; Waechter, Erika; Womenspace (Eugene, Or.)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Barb Ryan (Interviewee)","Judith L. Raiskin (Interviewer)","Linda Long (Interviewer)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["In Copyright"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["https://scua.uoregon.edu/repositories/2/archival_objects/607037"]}},{"label":{"en":["Type"]},"value":{"en":["Moving Image"]}}],"summary":{"en":["The Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project Collection consists of interviews of 83 people for the Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project, conducted by Professor Judith Raiskin and Curator Linda Long at the University of Oregon starting in the summer of 2018."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["In Copyright"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/029/original/uo-logo-hires.png?1580744881","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/130/379/small/Coll520_do051.jpg?1637320820","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - Coll520_do051.mp4"]},"duration":4958.99733,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/130/379/small/Coll520_do051.jpg?1637320820","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-universityoforegonlibraries.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/130/379/original/Coll520_do051.mp4?1637320820","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":4958.99733,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["844_Coll520_do051_aligned [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay, we're going. This oral history interview is part of the Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project. The recordings will be made available through the University of Oregon Special Collections and University Archives. This is an oral history interview with Barb Ryan on Monday, July 9, 2018, taking place in the University of Oregon Libraries’ recording studio in the Center for Media and Educational Technologies. The interviewers are Linda Long, Curator of Manuscripts in the UO Libraries’ Special Collections and University Archives, and Associate Professor Judith Raiskin of the UO Department of Women's, Gender, and Sexuality Studies. Barb, please let us know if you agree to be recorded for this project, and that you give your permission for the university to preserve and make available your recorded and transcribed interview.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1.08,66.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Yes, I agree and I give my permission. I'm excited.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=66.59,69.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Thank you, thank you. First up, a basic question is: Can you please tell us where you were born, where you grew up, and something about your early background?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=69.33,79.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. I was born in upstate New York, in Schenectady, New York, 1953, and I lived there until I was twenty- one. And what was the other part of the question?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=79.65,90.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Oh, just something about your early background.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=91.28,94.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Right, okay. I was born into an Irish and Italian Catholic family, and I was very much a tomboy, and there were early signs that I was a bit rebellious, also.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=94.78,109.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And how was that demonstrated?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=110.39,111.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: That I was the one who would climb the tree the highest, especially if my dad was chasing me because my sister blamed me for something. I was the one that they'd go, \"Yeah, go catch her,\" because I was the fastest runner and the highest tree climber, so I'd be the one that would be chased.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=111.85,129.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What brought you to Oregon, and when did you come?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=129.71,132.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: I got here in 1980 and I first traveled to Oregon in '72 and '74, but I didn't make it to Eugene at that time, just southern Oregon. And at that time I was hitchhiking around the country, looking for a place to live and just feeling things out, and I loved Oregon. And when I went back east, I then lived in Reading, Pennsylvania, off and on for about six years with some time in Massachusetts, also.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=132.96,157.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And when I was in Pennsylvania, there was an independent bookstore run by a woman who was a lesbian, but nobody would ever say it out loud. It was a very small community, very— actually, a large city, but a small community and very conservative.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=158.29,171.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I'd heard about Mother Kali’s and I'd heard about lesbian land in Oregon, and all of a sudden the West Coast and Oregon had a whole new meaning to me. And I also heard how radical it was, and that old hippies didn't die, they moved to Eugene, and things like that, that were dear to my heart. And I was back in school. I went, in my mid-twenties, back to a community college in Reading, Pennsylvania, and from there I applied to one school only, and it was U of O.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=173.75,204.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: U of O?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=204.78,204.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=204.95,205.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And you identified as a lesbian at this time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=205.98,209.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Yes. Yeah, I was just getting comfortable coming out publicly then, and I belonged to a group then that was called— let’s see. We named ourselves after a group that was at Penn State, and it was Gay— it wasn't Gay and Lesbian Alliance. Gay Students Association, GSA. I tried to start one in the community college in Pennsylvania, and there was a history professor and a English professor who were living together and lesbian, but they weren't out publicly, and both of them convinced a straight woman who was with the ACLU to be the professor that we needed to have a new organization on campus. So they were truly our advisors, but she was our advisor on paper. I started that before I left.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=209.48,263.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Wow. And that was in the late '70s?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=264.03,266.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Yeah, would have been. I moved here '80s, so it would have been in the '70s. Seventy-eight. I think I was in school there from '78 to '80.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=266.6,274.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And what had you heard about Mother Kali’s bookstore and the lesbian land, and what did you know about it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=274.41,279.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Just that they existed. Heard that there were feminist bookstores, right? And there was a women's studies class that some of us signed up for, and there weren't enough people signed up, so they canceled it. And I went to that history professor who was teaching women's studies, and she said they do that every term. They say, \"Oh, it's closed,\" and then people don't sign up, and then there's not enough.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=279.4,302.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There were things like that going on, and she was one of the people who told me that there was a bookstore, and I asked [inaudible 00:05:11] the woman who owned the bookstore there, and they said, \"Yeah, one of the feminist bookstores in the country.\" There's maybe a gay or lesbian one in New York, maybe a feminist one in Madison, maybe San Francisco. A couple places. But she said, \"There's one in Eugene, Oregon.\" I was like, \"Oregon. Eugene, Oregon.\" And then they said, \"Yeah, and there's lesbian land.\" And I said, \"Oh, I was in southern Oregon, but somehow I didn't see that while I was there.\" I was traveling with men, so I didn't know about that, didn't hear about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=303.49,342.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And at about that time I read an article somewhere, it must have been in a feminist newsletter or something, where this woman got a job because she was a lesbian. She was out as a lesbian and got a job, and it had to do, maybe, with lesbian research, or a lesbian center, or something like that, and my eyes got even bigger. I have no idea where in the world it was. I think it was in the States. But just that people were doing that. And so I became more and more radically out, and really needed to go to the “Left Coast.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=343.59,375.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: When you first arrived in Eugene, what was your experience of the lesbian community?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=377.82,381.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: When I first got here it was August of '80, and I started school in the end of the September in '80. First, I had sent some other friends of mine ahead to get households and stuff here, and so I already knew of women and lesbians living in households, and I was looking at the bulletin boards, Sundance, I think, a bulletin board, and I found a household that said wanted a lesbian roommate. I was like, \"I am in the right place. I think I qualify.\" Then, at things like no smoking, I went, \"Okay, I'll smoke outside. I mean, whatever.\" No dogs, \"They'll love my dog.\" And then I realized there were a whole bunch of them. None of us had to settle, there were choices. I moved into a lesbian household.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=381.31,426.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was with Isbel Ingham and a woman named Joanne, who changed— anyway, some different people whose names, I don't remember all of them now. Most of them are in Portland or out of the country at this point, I think. Some of them worked at Starflower, some of them were into— I'm not going to remember that one either. Re-evaluation co-counseling. There were different things like that, that I began to know people about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=427.02,454.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then I discovered the Riv Room, which was owned by straight people, but it was a gay bar, and it was important to me that there was a women's night. So, myself and a couple of friends went down and asked them about that, and they gave us Thursday night because they said, \"Not many women are going to show up,\" and they said if it was packed enough they'd give us a Friday night sometime, but that didn't happen. Anyway, it was packed every Thursday night for as long as it remained open.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=454.29,481.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Where was that located?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=481.87,482.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: It was where the Actor’s Cabaret is now, Seymour's Restaurant.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=482.67,486.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was still a restaurant there, and the bar was next door, but the bathrooms were the same.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=487.04,491.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you describe that scene on Thursday night in the Riv Room?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=492.3,495.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Yeah. It was a place to— sadly, one of the only places, but it was a place to go and meet other women, and meet other lesbians. And not everybody who went was lesbian, but they all felt safe just to be there. And sometimes we'd get in trouble because Eugene has a law about— I think when you're outside you don't have to wear your shirt, and so sometimes we would think, \"Oh, well, the guys get to take off their shirts when they're dancing. There's no guy here,\" so we'd take off our shirts when we were dancing, and then we'd be asked to put them back on. But it was something we quite often did. I think it was after a few drinks. I did drink back then, and I was one of the people who did that some of the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=495.16,538.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And speaking of that, just for a off thing, we also— There was a— I wouldn't even call it a magazine. There was a small paper, leaflet called Closet Space, and in the back of it we'd get to advertise what we were doing, and so we would say, \"We're having a lesbian potluck at Skinner's Butte Park, and ‘A through M’ bring main dishes,\" and this through that bring these dishes. And then we would have baseball games, shirts and no shirts, and the women that were bigger breasted decided to wear shirts, or at least bras, and the rest of us didn't, and so it was a fun game. And then—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=539.71,575.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Where did you play those games?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=575.6,576.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: In the park, yeah, in the public park. People would drive by on their bicycles, and they really didn't want to stop and gawk, but they'd ride by again, or they'd walk by a few times, and we were just playing games. And one time there was a guy who came and sat at a bench and was watching us, and so a friend of mine went over, and sat next to him, and said, \"You're really not welcome here if this is all you're going to do at the park today.\" And he left because he was noticed. He thought he was invisible, right? And he realized that he was making people uncomfortable. We never had any problems with that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=576.39,616.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, back to the bar. Then we thought we'd take it inside sometimes, but that didn't happen. And there was always really good dance music. There was always non-alcoholic drinks to drink. There were always tables full of women planning the next meeting, or the next book club meeting, or the next class that they would take, or the next gathering that we were having, or— it became a real meeting place. I remember going at 2:00 in the afternoon and meeting with people, so it wasn't just a bar. 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I took a women's studies class and I met one of my best friends, Sue DeWhipage, to this day. She was the first lesbian that I met in town, and we were buddies. And she was part of the GPA, the Gay People's Alliance, and one of the things that they did, that they were known for, was going to health classes and talking about what it was like to be a lesbian, or a gay or lesbian. There would be a panel of us, and not many people wanted to be on them. Not many people were out, or as out, or they didn't want to get asked all those questions about their private lives.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=660.65,694.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then we'd get asked to go to women's studies classes, and that was much more fun, and people were like, \"Oh, no, no, no, I want to go.\" \"No, I want to go. You did a panel at the health class. I'll take the women's studies class. That would be much more fun. I'm sure a lot of my friends are in there, and they'll have better questions.\" And it was a little office upstairs in the EMU. It was across from what was then the Women's Resource Center, and half of that was Women in Transition. Downstairs from us was the different student ethnic groups, and we were all building coalition all the time, checking in with each other, and seeing how we could work together, and trying to sponsor things together, and really trying to build coalition.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=694.95,734.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Was the group that you worked with called Bridges?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=734.91,736.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: I don't think so because I'm not remembering that name.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=737.99,740.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: —panel. —was called Bridges, but you were probably in the group that was before that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=740.43,745.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Right, yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=745.84,748.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Before that happened.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=749.09,749.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: And I mostly remember it being Sue and I, and one or two gay men that would come over from Gay People's Alliance. Then we changed the name to Gay and Lesbian Alliance, and then it was Lesbian and Gay, and that was LAG, and so then it became LGB, I think, and then the letters grew. And one of the things that we did in that first year that I was there, I think I was a co-director a year or two later, is that we decided that every year we would switch co- directors, and we'd have a committee of people, and we would have a gay man and a lesbian as co-directors, or man and woman.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=749.6,782.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Didn't matter if they were gay, or bi, or lesbian, but we'd have a man and a woman who were co-directors.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=782.35,786.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we wrote up all this stuff about that, and it went on that way probably at least for a decade, and I knew most of the people who then were the next person, and the next person, and the next person, so that was pretty cool. And it went through all these changes. One thing I do remember when I was the director, which might have been '81, '82, is that it was also the time during the OCA, or one of the conservative citizens’ alliance measures that were coming up, so part of me says '82, '83.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=786.92,818.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But, anyway, during my involvement there we were having a— it might have been during Pride Week or something, and we were having a conference in the EMU Ballroom. I don't remember who we were going to have as the speaker. I want to say Angela Davis, but that might just be because I want to say Angela Davis, right? I mean, I've sponsored her for other things. I don't know that it was that, but I don't think so. I think that was the Women's Symposium.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=818.22,841.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anyway, I won't try to remember who was speaking that night, but they called in a bomb threat to the GPA and they got our home phone numbers and were harassing myself and David Funk, who was my co-director, and that was pretty scary. It was probably the most scared that I'd been because it seemed on a bigger level. We'd certainly had things yelled at us, and, anyway, lots of other intimidating—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=842.89,877.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Intimidating?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=877.19,878.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Yes, intimidating, uncomfortable. But that was pretty scary. And we were so disappointed that we just had to cancel the whole thing, and the building was evacuated. There were, I don't know, three to five hundred people in the EMU, however many it held at that time, and, yeah. And it might have been— one year there was Linda Tillery, and Pat Parker, and different people like that we had.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=878.13,898.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And some people would come down from Salem, and up from southern Oregon, and all over the place to be a part of what we produced.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=898.53,905.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Sounds dynamic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=906.01,906.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Yeah, it was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=906.17,906.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you remember other people that you brought in?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=906.79,908.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: I'm not sure. I might have to email you about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=908.88,914.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: I’ll make a point about it later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=915.21,915.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Yeah, those are just who I remember at the time because I remember them going to the Riv Room with us afterwards, too, when we finally did the show.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=915.93,922.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Oh, wow. Yeah, cool. Can you tell us a little bit more about David Funk? Because he figures large in the establishment of the Gay and Lesbian Alliance. He was a prominent figure, as I recollect.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=923.0,938.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Right. And what's interesting is I believe there's two different David Funks, right? And one is a straight man, and when I interacted with him he was on the board at Womenspace, I believe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=938.15,952.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Might be a lawyer, not sure. This David Funk that I was co-director with, he'd been involved with GPA for quite a while and his mom was the person who started the first PFLAG here, right? Because he had been a suicidal youth and she didn't want to lose her son. And then he became real proud, and almost strident, if you will, and organized lots of things, and he and I decided to be co-directors together the year that we did it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=953.22,983.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I didn't know him really well outside of that. I got to know his mom more because she was so involved in things, and she wanted to call the organization FROG, Friends and Relatives of Gays, when she first started it. She didn't even know there was a PFLAG.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=984.34,998.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because she really liked frogs and collected them. And that was a great name and we all liked it, but then there was an official PFLAG, so it folded over into that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=999.38,1008.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yeah. Do you know where he is now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1008.76,1010.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: No, I've lost track.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1010.64,1012.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yeah?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1012.45,1012.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1013.0,1013.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Well, interesting. Yeah. You came to UO and you studied. Can you tell us what you studied, the kind of classes you took?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1013.08,1021.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Yeah. I was a psych major, and so I took some psych classes, and I took sign language, and I took Spanish. I'd taken those unofficially in the community college I was at, and was really much into diversity, and equality, and wanting to know things outside of my own experience. I took ethnic studies with Ed Coleman, and took women's studies, and that might have filled up my schedule that first term, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1021.19,1049.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I took three years to get my bachelor's just because I loved school so much. And then I applied for graduate school here and I took another three. So I went six years, including summers. I thought, \"Really, after this I have to go get a job somewhere? This is so much more fun.\" I was quite the academic, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1049.61,1070.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What was campus like back then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1070.83,1072.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Let's see. Well, one of the stories I had written about when I was the director of the— I think we were Gay— maybe it was LAG then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1074.15,1088.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anyway, when I was the director— Maybe it was GALA. I think that's what we were then. Anyway, a friend of mine, Sharon Elise, who was then Sharon Claeyssens, she was a sociology person, and also women's studies, and her and I and a bunch of other people had made commitments that whenever there was a Women's Symposium— Because the Women's Symposiums had started up at about that time, and whenever there was a Women's Symposium there needed to be women of color on the steering committee or on the organizing committee, whatever that committee, administrative committee, whatever the committee would be called.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1088.29,1124.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And whenever they wouldn't do that, we would boycott the whole symposium no matter how many lesbians or women of color we got to come do stuff, and what we were doing, but we'd cancel it in time, or still pay people if we were boycotting it, but we would cancel them because we kept making the point that we needed to have more than just us, and Sharon's point was, \"Well, you can't just have one woman of color representing so many different ethnicities and cultures.\" Then we'd get on the committee and we'd work on it more, and I was really more of a background worker in all of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1124.91,1166.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the symposium would happen, and it would be wonderful, and we would have the Women's Symposium just before Gay Pride Week so that whoever was the big speaker would be at the end of that and would be a lesbian of color who was really well known.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1167.16,1182.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so that's how we got Angela Davis and people like that, because we had monies from both programs to put together to get somebody pretty amazing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1182.74,1192.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What was it like on campus to develop friendships or relationships with other people or women?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1196.18,1204.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Right. The place to be was women's studies classes, right? And Women's Resource and Referral. I mean, I formed a pretty good network of people that many are still in my life or were friends with, or now we have found each other on Facebook. And I remember a couple of women came into the women's studies class that I was taking and talked about creating a baby through alternative insemination. Again, I was like, \"Wow!\" All kinds of things happen in Oregon. And, anyway, within a couple of years my then partner and I decided that we had wanted to do that. But I first heard about the idea of not doing it through a medical procedure, but in your own home. Also had a home birth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1204.71,1257.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When my baby was born I was a graduate student and I was teaching women's studies, teaching pioneer women in the summer, teaching some different classes, and all these different people would come and grab the baby while I was teaching and then bring her back, or if my partner was off in a class. And so there's a whole community of people that would just cycle around Shalan and that would hand her off, and I trusted all of them, and she loved all of them. Some are still her aunties to this day, or at least people she knows. And when they say, \"Oh, I knew you when you were a baby,\" she goes, \"Yeah, I remember.\" And the pictures, the stories, and all of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1260.1,1299.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Again, it was a community that I formed myself around me, and we also formed a moms group way back then and Erika— not remembering Erika's last name. She's the person who founded the counseling center.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1300.67,1321.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Erika Waechter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1321.82,1321.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Thank you. Erika Waechter was in that, and so were— boy, there were doctors and lawyers. I can't remember all their names right now. I can write them down. And all the graduate students that I was in school with. And we had a group of lesbian moms with our boys and our girls, and I was new to the group, and the other babies were maybe two. That was pretty amazing, and we got together, I believe, once a month for the potluck. And some of the doctors would check the babies' ears and coughs, and the lawyers would go, \"Have you written something about this?\" And, \"Do you have a will?\" Anyway, we were—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1321.93,1362.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did the group have a name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1362.74,1363.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Lesbian moms getting together. It was all word of mouth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1363.19,1368.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What year is this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1368.16,1368.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Shalan was born in '86. They probably formed in '83 or '4 because some of the kids were about two. They were birth to toddler at that point, and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1368.64,1380.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And the doctors and lawyers, they were part of the community?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1380.04,1383.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Yeah, they were part of the lesbian community. I just couldn't remember their name right now and didn't want to get it wrong. I can picture them, yeah. And they didn't start it any more than the rest of us, it was just— and some of the women were single, some were partnered, some had switched partners, but we just prioritized the kids and they grew up together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1383.56,1407.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And how old is Shalan now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1408.67,1410.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Thirty-two.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1410.33,1411.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Thirty-two, wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1411.26,1412.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Yeah. And she used to say, \"And a half,\" but I'll just throw that in now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1412.1,1415.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What would you describe the attitudes towards sexuality in the community at that time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1418.11,1422.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Yeah. What was interesting, it seemed like the two big debates around sexuality, or sexual expression— Or, two or three debates about it. One of them was about bisexuals not feeling supported by the lesbian and gay community, or the straight community, and didn't feel like there was a bisexual community, and it seemed like most of the people who identified as bisexual were primarily with men. And then, in the women's studies class, this woman who was primarily with women came in and talked about identifying as bisexual, and it opens everybody's eyes that there began to be this range, that it didn't have to be one, two, other. That was one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1422.16,1469.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was another piece that went on about if somebody was truly a lesbian if they hadn't been sexual with women yet, or if they weren't in a relationship, or if— you almost had to be partnered to be recognized as lesbian. It became part of the identity, right? There was another one that the DS community— dominant, submissive, SM community, had a voice in the papers and have a voice in the community, and just talking about sexual freedoms, and permissions given, and safe sex, even back then, and healthy relationships.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1470.06,1515.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the more that people talked about things, again, the more the stereotypes were broken. And myself and a woman named Julie Porter, we started a class in '82, '83, I believe, called Lesbians: Myth and Reality, and it was through either an Escape Program, the initials were, or Search Program. Those are both programs in the EMU that students, undergraduates, could offer classes through, so it was one of those that we did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1515.55,1549.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And at that time it was about half students and about half community members, and the community members called it, \"Lesbians in the midst of reality,\" and just cracked us up. And I hadn't taught anything before. Julie was one of my housemates and wanted to just do this with, and we often wrote papers together, and edited things for each other, so we decided to do this. And there'd been a gay and lesbian class that I took, that a woman named Leslie, who obviously used to live in Eugene, she was the editor of Closet Space, and she moved to Portland and worked on one of the papers up there for a while. I have her last name, but not in my mind right now. 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One of the things that we did is that we used the library here because we knew that people could get books from the library, and so we put all those lesbian cassettes of lesbian music in the library. We put lesbian movies on hold in the library, we put lesbian books, there were so few of them out there, on hold in the library, in this library right here. And people would come in, and check things out, and write little papers on that lesbian poet or that lesbian musician, and it was pretty amazing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1615.01,1650.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then, in order to really teach the class, we did panels all the time, kind of like Phil Donahue's style, and I think I learned that in taking women's studies classes, that panels worked great. And so we would have panels on different religious and spiritual expression in the lesbian community, we'd have panels on sexuality expression, we'd have— oh, the other big controversy was monogamous or non-monogamous, which then grew into the whole poly concept and idea. And so it was this whole— that monogamy seems so heterosexual based, and seems so much about part of the dominant culture, and didn't really seem a choice. And so if it was a choice, there had to be other choices. And if there were other choices, we had to talk about them, or act on them, or meet about them, or however all that meant.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1650.45,1698.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so those were the different things about sexual expression, or more about relationship expression, I guess. And there were people, lots of people, who were fairly closeted and very closeted.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1698.92,1715.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was lots of political things going down, and some of the conservative church things going down that people often came to us as teachers, or came to women's studies, or came to women's resource and referral, or came to the GALA office. Not often there if somebody was going to see them there, but it was on the same floor so we'd wander over and talk in the women's resource.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1715.31,1740.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they were curious about how to have support. There was then a gay/lesbian hotline that was an 800 number. I think it was nationwide, but there were people here that were friends of mine that were volunteering on it. And it wasn't 24/7. It was certain times, mostly overnight, and so many of the kids who called, people who called, were concerned about being out to their families, to their churches, to their communities, to their jobs, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1741.92,1774.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: So it answered questions about sexuality, not necessarily about sex.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1775.74,1779.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Both, both. More about sexuality. Some about sex, and there was also this thing around sex and sexuality. One of the other controversies, there was this— I think the group was actually called Man/Boy Love or something, and they very much thought that the age of consent was way too high. And they would look back at Ancient Greece and other kinds of things. I mostly was reading about this because I was teaching and learning. And there was lots of concern in GALA about if we included underage kids from campus or from the community into things, how do we keep them safe? How do we keep them feeling safe? How do we teach them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1781.15,1827.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How do we talk about these topics?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1827.55,1830.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mean, it was barely that high schools were having talks about sex and safe sex. Nineteen-eighty, the whole AIDS crisis was just opening up, and they thought it was mostly gay men, and so we were having lots of discussions about that, but mostly discussions about sex. We're like, \"Oh my god. It could kill you.\" It's like, no, there's things called safe sex, and not only gay men get it, and, remember, some lesbians sleep with men, and so your lesbian partner could be at risk. Lots of different discussions like that, that we'd also have, so all those concerns were brought in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1830.36,1868.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, obviously, whoever was speaking, whether it was in a class, or whether it was in a small group, or whether it was a group at the bar and there's things we need to talk about, or if it was in a coffee house, or at Mother Kali’s— it was always a matter of keeping people informed, and keeping people safe, and keeping people— what I mean by safe is safe in their freedom about how much they wanted to be out. There began to be a big thing about outing people, and outing public people, and, \"Don't you think so-and-so is gay? We should tell everybody.\" And then it began to trickle down to communities, and it was like, \"No, that's really their information.\" That was a lot of the discussions, too, that we would have, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1868.84,1915.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: When you here as a student, and then doing this teaching, is that how you supported yourself? Or did you support yourself in other ways?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1917.6,1926.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: When I was here as a student I supported myself on student loans, and I supported myself— I was a psychology student, and so you could always go in for a psychology experiment they were doing. I think they paid five bucks an hour, and you'd take some kind of test, and come back and take another test, or look at something and flick buttons and switches, and whatever it was, so I did as many of those as I could because it was always fun, and I always wondered what they were doing. And wouldn't find out until years later, of course, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1927.14,1959.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I also did some phone work for— one time I found out I was doing it for the Republican Party and I quit, but people would just advertise saying, \"Do you have a good phone voice? Give us a call and you can sell rainbow vacuum cleaners, or you can have people come to meetings,\" and I'd get paid for that. As a GTF when I became a graduate student— I was a GTF for the three years that I was a graduate student, and most of them were in sociology, and we, they, did this pretty radical thing of saying, \"If we teamed up, we would all get free tuition,\" and we'd get half the pay, but we'd all get free tuition.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=1961.75,2002.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so we would do those kinds of things. We'd find somebody to buddy up teaching with and splitting the salary, getting jobs on the side anyway. I had some different jobs on the side that— my internship as a third year graduate student— It was a two year program, but I decided to go for three because I could. Most of that year was spent at what was then called Rape Crisis Network. And Nadia Telsey, because she had a master's, was my supervisor and she was the director there. That's where we became fast friends, and a lot of my teaching is about community, and trauma work, and anti-violence work, and community work came from there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2003.19,2052.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I got a job right afterwards there, and then at Womenspace, and then at the ASUO Women's Center. I was the first director.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2054.79,2062.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Can you tell us what Womenspace was, or is?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2062.98,2065.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Yes, is. It still is. Womenspace is a battered women's shelter, and I believe the shelter itself is for women, but they also take calls from men and direct those. And when I was there, we had started a battered lesbians intervention program called BLIP because that's how the words fit together, but I almost never said that. I always used all the words, Battered Lesbian Intervention Project. That's where I was from, not BLIP.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2064.91,2094.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But, anyway, and a lot of that was also about learning and educating people how it happens in same sex, same gendered relationships, and that it could happen, and we can't really take the other model and just lay it across there. That was interesting work, too. And Womenspace still exists to this day. And Rape Crisis Network, when it folded, out of a phoenix it was rebirthed as SASS, Sexual Assault Support Services, which is still going on to this day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2095.67,2128.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Is that campus or city?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2128.26,2131.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: City, and they have a campus rape crisis. We used to do that too, where they'd have a campus student group that was affiliated, so I believe SASS does that, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2131.47,2141.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: So you moved to Eugene at a young age, relatively young age to go to college.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2142.58,2149.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Saturn return.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2149.36,2150.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Uh-huh, and you've been ever since then, basically.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2150.68,2151.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Yeah, thirty-eight years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2151.9,2154.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Wow, yeah. I'd like to backtrack, if we could, to talk a little bit about your growing up years, the family you grew up in, and your community, and how that might have affected who you are, or—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2156.08,2168.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Sure. One of the things about the community that I grew up in— I was in a Irish-Italian family, and most of the neighborhood seemed to be Irish or Italian. A lot of them were my relatives, right? It wasn't very diverse. It became more and more diversified as I grew up. Anyway, so in the Catholic part of all of it I had this desire as a young kid maybe to be a nun when I grew up. That seemed like a good thing. Later, that become one of my first clues about— so you just want to go live with a bunch of women, and do really spiritual things, and hang out all the time, so when the book Lesbian Nuns came out and I met former lesbian nuns— Anyway, so that was just a little interesting kind of a twist there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2168.88,2228.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And one of the things about— I think I had a delayed coming out to myself because of a Catholic upbringing and family beliefs. And so I certainly dated boys, and had boyfriends, and all of that because it was the thing you did. And they were my friends, and so that was just an interesting twist. And when I came out, some of my male friends came out as gay, too. And we're like, \"Well, geez, now that we know that, that makes life so much easier.\" And the other guys were just supportive, and going, \"Yeah, I could have told you that,\" or however that was. And I began to be much closer to women.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2228.58,2276.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And one of the things that I got from the Italian side of my family, almost stereotypically, was a really big family. My mom and her twin sister were the youngest of twelve kids, and I had thirty-three first cousins, and probably about ten of them I went to school with, or they lived in my neighborhood. And so we all grew up together, and if you wanted anything anywhere there was a relative, or a friend of a relative, or a neighbor, or somebody dating a relative.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2277.32,2306.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so the way this plays out with when I moved here, and also lesbian community, is that I always search for community. I'm somebody that has lots of people around me, and brings people together, and knows that you can trade this with that person, or you can ask somebody, because then they know the acupuncturist that they went to, or they can refer this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2307.54,2326.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Interesting, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2328.21,2328.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Big referral community, potlucks. And I think that was part of the culture that I was brought up in, is that you're surrounded by people. My dad was much more introverted, and I don't know if that was part of his Irish background or not. We weren't as close with his family, we didn't visit them as much, they didn't live as close to us, but there wasn't any bad thing about it. It just wasn't as close. And they didn't hug the same way that my Italian relatives did. That kind of a thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2328.51,2365.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And there's many cultures and many personalities that do both of those things. That was just my understanding as a little kid, that if you wanted a really good hug, you went to these relatives. And the relatives we lived around didn't lock their doors. We'd walk in and use anybody's bathroom, anybody's kitchen, anybody's teapot, probably anybody's stove. There was always food, there was always— And when I was really little, my mom— When I was born, my mom was raising twin two and half year olds, and so I spent a lot of time with her twin sister, who had a baby a month before me, but also with her also sister just three years older. I spent a whole lot of time with her. And when somebody told me that when I was a little bit older, I thought, \"Oh my gosh,\" and then I realized later, when I was taking women's studies, \"Oh my gosh, how cool is that?\" And when I raised my kid she was over here with this person, we breastfed each other's babies. I mean, it was totally forming that whole community again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2366.84,2426.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's all a matter of perspective. I grew up in this very wonderful loving community, and then I don't know if this is typically Irish, but with my dad they would say he had an Irish temper and liked to drink like an Irishman. And what was true for a good part of my life is that he was pretty violent toward my mom. Toward us kids it was spanking. That's why I ran so fast, right? It was like that was the typical thing to do. There was not a Womenspace, there wasn't a child abuse line to call. There was a relative to run to, neighbors to tell, neighbors who would hear things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2427.45,2468.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was this interesting thing about being safe, and things you could talk about, things you couldn't talk about, wondering why they stayed together. And part of the reasoning that I would hear is that Catholics married forever. And, anyway, as the years went by, things changed. I believe the story is that my mom's older brothers had a talking with my dad, and he stayed in the house and treated us all much differently after that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2470.06,2506.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then, when he got to be an old man and got prostate cancer, which lasts for a very long time, it seems, he didn't drink as much anymore, and he was a kinder person. And my parents used to argue about whose favorite I was. When they were arguing about if I did something bad, they'd go, \"She was always your favorite.\" Right? But if I did something good, like got As, \"Oh, she's my favorite.\" And they might have done it with my other sisters, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2506.72,2535.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And one of the things that I learned from— well, so I felt special to both of them, but I also learned that now with my kids and my grandkids I'll say things like, \"You are my special ten year old. You are my favorite ten-year-old. You are my favorite fourteen-year- old. You are my favorite curly haired one. You are my favorite kinky haired one.\" And I just say they're my favorite whatever the specialness is, so I just turned it around because that's what I do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2536.16,2563.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you see a relationship between the spiritual upbringing, religious upbringing you had, and the spiritual life you've come to lead.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2563.63,2573.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Some. One of the next things that I did in my life is I moved to Pennsylvania for six years, and it was a really conservative place, but I moved there because I had friends there, and that's what you did. And I came out. I was living— okay, had a friend there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2573.04,2599.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Through her I met other friends, and it was this Christian household that I was living in. Most of them were Catholics. And not ex-Catholics like me, or recovering Catholic, but they were practicing Catholics and they were following the Berrigan Brothers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2599.85,2613.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Berrigan Brothers were these radical Catholic priests who— I believe one of them left the priesthood. I believe the other one, the priesthood left him. They were part of starting— with a woman whose name I can't remember. Sorry that I can't remember a woman's name. Anyway, Berrigan Brothers and a woman who might have been a nun were really radically against the war in Vietnam, and so they would do all of these wonderfully pacifist things. And I was a strong pacifist, and I thought, \"My gosh, you could be a Catholic and a pacifist? You can be a Catholic and a radical, you can be a Catholic—\" I was going to say, \"and a nun.\" That goes together. But, a nun who's radical, right? And so started— I think it was called the Catholic Workers newspaper.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2614.4,2663.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anyway, so I lived in this community with people who did that, and we all had jobs if we chose, and we volunteered at places, and we lived in this socialist— now it might be social democracy way of that everything we made went back into the household. We shared our cars, we rented a big house on two and half acres that somebody went on sabbatical for a few years and happened to rent to us because we were who we were. We called ourselves Children of the Light, of all things. I'm sure if you look it up there's probably other people who called themselves that. We weren't any of those other people, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2663.19,2701.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And people lived there who were— the youngest was fourteen, I was in my mid-twenties, and the oldest was old enough to be my mom, so she was probably forty-five or something. It was her grandson who had lived with us. And we'd have community meetings and do all these radical things. I worked then for a suicide hotline, that was my volunteer work. We all volunteered, and every Wednesday we all ate almost nothing and donated all of our money to the food bank that day. I mean in a healthy way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2702.36,2738.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anyway, and then that's where I came out. One of the guys there who wanted to become a priest came out to me as a gay man, and I was like, \"Wow, and you're going to be a priest?\" He goes, \"Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2742.28,2751.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm going to be celibate either way, but I'm a gay man and I'm going to tell everybody.\" And so he brought the concept. Wow, you can be lesbian and gay? You can be gay, lesbian, radical, and Catholic? So all of that was just so amazing to me and eye opening to me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2751.21,2769.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And during the day I worked at a third largest head shop warehouse, meaning that they made things that you smoke pot with, and pot wasn't legal then. And at night I volunteered at a theater that was, as you can imagine, mostly gay people. And so I just had this most amazing supportive life, and all of my queer friends accepted that I lived in this community Christian household because they were so radical. And all of my Christian friends liked that I did the thing with the theater, and they accepted my gay friends, and so I had this little bubble. And then, as I met new friends, they had a hard time putting any of that together. And, anyway, so that's when I came out and fell in love. It was just such a safe place to do that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2771.22,2824.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: That was in Pennsylvania?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2826.71,2827.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Reading, Pennsylvania.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2827.14,2828.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Reading, uh-huh. And you left that to come to Oregon, so that's an interesting choice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2829.49,2834.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Yeah, because I was only in that little bubble. The town was very, very conservative. And when we would go out at night, my sweetie and I, we would go out with a gay male couple. And we'd walk into this gay bar or gay restaurant, but we'd walk in man and woman, man and woman. And you'd have to have a secret knock, the whole thing. And it was in the mid to late '70s, and that's what was happening. That's why, when I was then taking the women's studies classes and doing all that, I was like, \"Wow. It gets better from here.\" In between, I'd gone to Massachusetts for a year, and Simon's Rock.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2834.23,2877.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anyway, I was in Berkshires, Massachusetts, in a community of lots of lesbians. And I was only there for one year going to school at a— It was a school for animal science. I went to be a dog kennel, dog communicator, dog— I took dog psychology, I took grooming, I took kennel management. The most famous part of it, though, was that I taught dogs hearing ear. I raised hearing ear dogs, and we were the second in the nation to do that. That's what drew me to the program. And it was a point in my life where I liked dogs more than people just for that summer, right? Anyway, it was there that I met my sweetie, and we moved down back to Pennsylvania again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2878.05,2926.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then we were like, \"Ugh, can't do that.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2927.69,2929.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you consider coming out to the Oregon land, the lesbian land, given your communal—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2929.31,2934.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Well, except for I wanted to go to the U of O, so I thought I'd visit it more, I'd be a part of it, but I just wasn't that rural yet. And I wanted to be on a campus. I just thrive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2934.54,2949.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Were you at all attracted to the spiritual practices of those communes? The goddess worship.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2949.34,2951.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Somewhat, yes. Yes. And I didn't know a lot about that yet, but that's part of what I discovered. By the time I moved out here I was no longer— even when I was living in that household, no longer identifying as Catholic. Much more eclectic. But I discovered Wicca when I was here, and I discovered so many more aspects of spirituality. I think Eugene is a hotbed of lesbians, hippies, and spiritual people, so it's the place to be for me. As you can see, with the tie dye, the haircut, the smile, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=2951.93,2998.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anyway, so in my own personal evolution I just kept finding things that fit for me here. And when they didn't fit, I just kept redesigning my life or teaching other people how to do it, like teaching a lesbian class when there wasn't one yet. I mean, there were lesbian literature classes, but there wasn't an intro to lesbians, and myth and reality. And being really public about having our baby, and how we were doing that, and for me everything I did was about community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3000.63,3031.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: I have a question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3032.48,3034.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3034.03,3034.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: When you decided with your partner to do the alternative insemination, what was that like in Eugene? Did you turn to friends? What was—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3034.39,3046.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Yeah. Well, one of the women who had come to the women's studies class to talk about it, we sought her out and found out who her donor was. I mean, it was, uh, public information. And we met with him and asked him what it was like to be a donor, and what it was we would need to ask or tell any donor that we had, because we didn't know anything about that part of it. And that was really interesting and kind of fun, that you could have a known donor, should you choose, and what that role might be. It was also a time in the community that a lot of women would not do the legalities around getting donors, and later the guys would want more involvement, or they wouldn't do legalities with their partner around— didn't matter who the birthmother was, that you're both moms.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3046.02,3095.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And there was so many custody fights, and there were so many women who had had babies in their marriages with men who then left, and they would lose their babies because they were lesbians.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3096.13,3106.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So it was this really risky, radical thing to do, but we were up for it, right? And then there was a woman in my graduate class in counseling psychology, her and her partner had had a baby, and so I talked to her about it. And they did a— not a medical one, but they did a sperm bank, so they got an anonymous donor and inseminated at home.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3106.59,3139.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we decided, I decided— my friend, Sharon Elise, was part of it too because she was my best friend, right? Decide things as a community, as a family. It's funny. Anyway, so Cheryl, my then partner, and I, and a couple of friends in different conversations decided which men we would ask. And they were some of the men that I'd met at GALA. And because some of them— back then in women's studies, when men took the classes, there would be a male facilitator for the men's group, and there'd be maybe one or two men with it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3139.61,3173.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So we were looking at who the men facilitators were, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3173.26,3175.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because they took women's studies. We were looking at who the young gay men were, we were looking at these things. And so, anyway, we narrowed it down, and my friend Sharon and I wanted to have a baby together, and she'd just found out she was pregnant.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3176.1,3192.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So she goes, \"You guys got to get on this,\" and so, “Oh, Okay!” And so we asked the known donor. I just don't want to say his name.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3192.95,3200.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yeah, it's okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3201.75,3201.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: But we asked him. He was twenty at the time, I believe, and we asked him if he wanted to be the donor, and he was so honored, and flattered, and excited about it. And he and his partner came to our house probably a few nights later, and did whatever they did, and his partner transferred the baby making substance, right, to my partner. They were in an upstairs bedroom and they came down. It was so— minutes away from— totally fresh and moments away. It was all so exciting, and very much about being made with love.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3202.11,3245.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anyway, so we did what we did, and then he came by again on— That was a Monday night. Came by again on a Wednesday night, we did the same procedure then. The gay man we had talked to said, \"Wait a couple days.\" We were like, \"Okay. What do we know?\" But we told the guy that, and he goes, \"Okay.\" So that was one of the hints. And, miraculously, totally miraculously, eight months to that day later, to that Wednesday, my daughter was born. We just got pregnant on the first try.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3247.43,3279.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So my whole pregnancy, of course we were telling everybody as soon as we found. And there wasn't Facebook, but there was the tele-woman, right? Besides the telephone. Yeah, so we were just telling everybody, and it was pretty amazing, and I got lots of support. I was in graduate school and I'd already really finished just about everything I needed to do, but I was still doing my internship, and I had talked to Barbara Pope about teaching women's studies some more the third year, and Shalan was due in January, and what could I do that year?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3282.65,3320.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And she said, \"Oh, I've got something great you can do that year,\" and whatever independent study it would have been called in graduate school. She said, \"You can do an annotation of books about childbirth,\" or books about a new baby, or things she knew I was already reading, right? And just annotated bibliography, and that will be your work for that term. And I taught spring term, and, as I said, I brought the baby with me. And I graduated, and I brought her up when I graduated. And fall term I was very pregnant when I was teaching, so got to talk about it all the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3320.56,3355.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And you had a home birth?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3355.27,3356.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Yes. Had a home birth. And my water broke on a Monday night and she wasn't born until Thursday night, so there were certainly people recommending that we go, but we went to the midwife, and they kept checking things, but I never even registered at a hospital.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3356.66,3375.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Was it a lay midwife, or—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3375.51,3378.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Yeah. Nurse midwives were just coming— Lay midwives were actually just getting into the scene more, and there was a birthing center right across the street from my house. If I could make it to the birthing center right across the street from my house, they felt satisfied that they could be there. And if they needed any of the medical things from there, that kind of thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3378.96,3403.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I went into labor on a Wednesday night, right? Eight months later. And she was born on a Thursday night, so twenty-four hours of labor, and Shalan was born. And because it was a Thursday night, we called the bar and announced it. And the DJ was in the band with Cheryl, and so she announced it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3405.44,3425.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: That's great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3426.59,3427.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Not that that was her only community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3427.15,3428.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And what was it like parenting in Eugene?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3428.73,3432.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Well, we had a lesbian parenting group, which was great. And Shalan, when she was little, really thought that women had short hair and men had long hair. She thought she was radical at about three for having long hair. Ah, long hair. She loves to tell her stories about being raised in our family, right? I had her in a couple different daycares because Cheryl and I were both working or going to school, so she'd be there part time after all the other little aunties were picking her up in women's studies and stuff. And all of them were totally fine about being a lesbian couple with a baby.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3434.06,3485.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Cheryl wasn't as comfortable as being out as I was, but she chose me as a partner. And so I often tried to not say her last name, or some things like that. I mean, people who knew, knew that we were together, but she was not the one that was just out there claiming it on the stage and stuff, or telling her family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3485.52,3505.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, anyway, Shalan was at the YMCA program as a baby, and— not as a baby, I'm sorry. Three, four years old, right? By then she had three moms now, because Cheryl and I had split up when she was about three and a half. And a year later, Cheryl got with somebody else, and they were together just about twenty-five years before Cheryl died three years ago. And so Shalan was really comfortable with having three moms.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3505.88,3542.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so one time at school she was saying to one of the kids about having three moms, and Cheryl walked in to pick her up, and a little girl is going, \"How do you have three moms?\" And Shalan is going, \"Well, first Mama Barb and Mama Cheryl were together, and then they weren't, and now Cheryl is with— and so now I have three moms.\" Cheryl walked into that and was like, \"Oh my.\" Shalan runs over to her, \"Hey!\" And everybody knew. Everybody was fine with it. She was the only person who was a little bit devastated, and then she realized that her kid was going to out her all the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3542.18,3584.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we were, the three of us, the three moms were the best co- parents ever. We always prioritized our kid. Everybody looked at us as, \"Wow, you can be exes and family?\" We did every holiday together, we were just— And it was the Shalan family. And that's what was one of the best parts about that. And Shalan, even all the rest of her life, would say things like, \"I'm so glad that you guys split up, and I'm so glad that she got with other mama.\" And she was glad because Cheryl was also Irish and Italian, and so it was very loud at our house sometimes. And the band played in our basement, which was okay, but everything was just a little bit intense. Anyway, so Shalan liked that she got to have three moms, and then they had a son. Anyway, it goes on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3586.31,3641.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And how was it in the schools, and with doctors, and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3641.08,3643.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Yeah. Well, our doctor was— we got the name of the doctor of the lesbian couple I knew had a baby, and I said, \"Okay, we're going to go to him.\" And so we went to that doctor and he was fine because he already knew a lesbian couple that had AI baby. And in school we had her in Magnet Arts, and some other classes, and most of her teachers knew us. And her first grade teacher was a gay man, and second grade teacher was a woman of color, third grade teacher was an artist. I mean, everybody was just so into Shalan having quite a few moms, and so she didn't get any hassle there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3643.07,3684.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Where she got hassle, though, back to the YMCA just for a moment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3684.0,3687.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They played out in one of the playgrounds behind South Eugene School, and one day when she was there— Shalan is a quarter— Sorry. Yeah, a quarter Native American. Her dad is half Pueblo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3688.85,3700.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And kids would say, \"Well, if you were really an Indian, if you were really Native American, you'd have a horse. If you were really Native American, you'd,\" this, this, and that. And one of the kids just really harassed her, and somebody punched her in the belly one time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3701.22,3717.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And she got a little older, and she was actually riding horses and stuff, and she was in a— so, anyway, she told us about that and we talked to them about it, we talked to the parents, and things got worked out. And Shalan would tell the story a lot as part of her healing. But then, as she grew a little bit older, she began to believe that some of the kids didn't think it was so cool that she had lesbian moms.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3717.08,3742.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And when she was about eight, maybe third grade that would be, eight or nine, she was taking horseback riding lessons and cleaning stables, doing all that stuff that they do, and the other girls wouldn't sit next to her, and she has no idea why. So she'd go sit next them, they'd move. This one girl would move every time. I think Shalan asked her, however all that worked, but the girl told her or she figured it out. I think the girl told her that it was because she had two moms, and that was a sin, and that wasn't okay, and all this kind of stuff. And Shalan was like, \"I don't have two moms.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3743.35,3778.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I have three moms.\" Kind of, \"Your loss.\" But she came home crying about that. She was mostly sad that that happened in the world, and that it was happening to her. But, since most of her experiences were so great, she had lots of resilience and she had lots of support. And there was a boy in her class, a couple of kids in her classes in Magnet Arts, that would go, \"I think it's cool that you have a couple of moms,\" or, \"I think it's great that you have this or that.\" I mean, they were, \"I want to be your friend.\" Because they would just do the opposite, and their parents were really into— that that would be a great family to hang out with. So we didn't really have too much trouble because we were in a smaller community and a bigger community that was then surrounded by the rest of them, right? Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3778.19,3827.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: In your notes I thought you said you also raised some other children?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3831.31,3834.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Yes. Yes, I did. I have two other daughters, Stephanie and Jasmine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3834.51,3841.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm just thinking of how much of their names I want to say. I do remember their names. That's a funny moment. Anyway, and they're thirty-six and thirty-seven, and one of them has five kids and lives here in Eugene, and the other one has one child who lives in Portland. And they came to live with me unofficially through just some circumstances that were happening in their home life, and I didn't ever actually foster them. By the time the older one came to live with me at fifteen I tried to foster her, and the foster system, just for that year, didn't have room for fifteen-year-olds or sixteen-year-olds and couldn't do that. And you can look it up. It's very odd, but it happened, and so I couldn't do that. But, anyway, so I raised them both, but I didn't bother doing it through the system and raise them as— I met them when they were ten and eleven, and came to live with me at different stages, but all of their kids call me Grandma and know me as their Grandma, and Shalan as their Auntie Shalan, and them as cousins, and all of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3841.98,3917.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, and both of them, and therefore all their kids, are kids of color. And so when I was raising all of them at various times I was really the only white person (some of them are perceived white)— in the household, but the only lesbian in the household, and so we'd have all those great discussions about social political things without ever calling it that. How was your day today? Is all it took to talk about what was happening in the world and how it affects people, and what's happening for them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3918.82,3954.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: I don't think we ever talked about your profession and what you did after graduate school. Could you talk a little bit about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3955.24,3965.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Sure. Well, I did mention that after graduate school I went to work at Rape Crisis Network. And the only reason I left there was I got an offer from Womenspace that simply paid more because they had better funding, and I was a single mom by then, and all of them were like, \"Yeah, go do that. That's the best place to go.\" And then I worked there for a while, until the ASUO Women's Center started and a job opened up there. And the people at Womenspace were going, \"Oh, you got to do that. The bennies are better, even if the pay— you got to do that.\" It was a non-teaching faculty position that was renewable each year, and so I went and did that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=3965.12,4002.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How long did you do that for?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4002.7,4004.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Less than a year. My contract wasn't renewed, right? And it was about a month or two before the end of the school year, and so they reassigned me to a room without windows in— did they close the Women's Center? A little traumatic memory loss here. I think that they put in new rugs or something and had to close it for a while, or something, or maybe some of the student groups are still using it, but I don't think there was an acting director or anything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4004.6,4039.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They put me in the smaller room over by the Survival Center, across the hall by all these other groups, with a desk, and a chair, and a lamp, and a file cabinet, and no window. And the compromise, the compensation, was that I was researching— a lot of the research came out of Rutgers and I was researching campuses having somebody on campus who was an advocate for queer students, and that job was born from the research that I did, that then I couldn't really apply for. It was the interesting way that that happened.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4040.5,4083.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the reason that it was not renewed is that I insisted that women of color be really involved in more ways than they were, and the ASUO is set up where it's very student-run, which is great, but so students were my bosses, and then I had a supervisor who was the supervisor in the ASUO. It was a funny thing where nobody really knew exactly who was supervising who, and who you were accountable to for what parts of your job. And it was an experiment as we were doing that, so we modeled it after an experiment that was working, but it had difficulty working in this way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4083.54,4132.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What it came down to was there was a woman named Nyla, who was a student, who was Latina and Native. I'm not remembering her tribe right now, sorry. She was a few years older than me, she was a single mom, lived in Westmoreland Student Housing, and we were looking for a student representative to go to a women's— women's student representative. It wasn't women's studies conference, but some conference of government student association, women's centers, maybe. Somewhere. And we were looking for a representative, or two, or three to go and then come back and report back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4135.57,4177.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I nominated her as one of the people to go. And she was a straight woman. The other two people who were nominated, I think we had to pick one of them, were lesbian, but they were white women, and so I was just recommending. I didn't have a vote, but I was recommending that she go, and people said, \"Okay.\" Anyway, so she went, maybe some other people went, but when she got back they had her do so much that was to get the credit for what she had done that it was unfair, at the least. And she had great difficulty with it, and was really upset, and I brought Sharon in as my buddy to look at the situation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4178.95,4235.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My supervisor, who was the person equal— not equal. Who was my supervisor with similar job to me at the ASUO, she said, \"Bring Sharon Alysse into this and you will lose your job.\" I said, \"Right on.\" And that's not the worst thing that's happened to many other people in compromising situations, right? I mean, I didn't have the word then about myself at that moment. I would have said, \"Yeah, first world problem.\" It's easier for me to get a job again than it is for this person who went through this, and now her recommendations and all these things weren't happening for her, and this was because Sharon and I and a committee, mostly of other women of color, I'm sure, would start a boycott whenever there weren't enough women of color included in something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4237.14,4296.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so it was they, unofficially, who I went to and said, \"I need your help.\" And so I got helped right out of a job, right? And they hired an African-American woman after that, and— Anyway, and I formed an advisory committee for myself that was all women of color, or women with disabilities, or women at least different from me, if not different from everybody else there, that I would go to whenever I was making a decision, just because I thought— Me, who loves to form big committees for everything, thought that's the way you did things. Yeah, but they had no power. They were an advisory committee, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4296.62,4337.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What did you do after that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4338.7,4339.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Cried. Nope. It was hard. It was really hard. And so what I did after that, I got paid through that June, and then I got a job at Oregon Social Learning Center and started my private practice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4341.12,4356.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I started my private practice earlier than I had hoped, but I was set to do that. And my private practice was a counseling practice at that time, and I worked at Oregon Social Learning Center as a way, it would be said, to support my counseling habit, right? Because you're trying to build your own business and it was halftime. I had the bennies there, and I could bring Shalan to work with me sometimes. She was four or five. No, she was four.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4356.92,4382.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was watching videos and then coding emotion, and so Shalan would sit next to me watching Little Mermaid. Yeah, after her programs that she was in and stuff. Was there for about two and a half years. I loved the program, I loved the work, and then the grants just ran out and I was ready to do my own stuff for a while.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4382.5,4403.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so I was a counselor for twenty-five years, and then a few years ago got the call. Decided to be a life coach instead of a counselor, and people began to call me the “Guidess of Happiness” because so much of the coaching that I was doing was about gross national happiness instead of gross national product. How to turn your life around or prioritize your life to have a happier life and a more loving life. That's what I do now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4404.15,4434.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And what is your book?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4435.22,4435.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: My book is called Love Loves Fear, and it's illustrated by Elise Hennessy, and it's a book about the relationship between love and fear. It's a picture book. It looks like a children's book, but it's a book for everybody and it is a very hopeful book for these times. I was at Oregon authors book sale at Art in the Vineyard yesterday.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4435.9,4460.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It felt good to be doing that, yeah. And it's going to be an eBook any moment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4460.49,4466.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Oh, good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4466.5,4466.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: That’s great!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4467.85,4468.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: I don't think the library has a copy yet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4468.65,4470.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: We’ll get it. Was there anything else that you wanted to add that we didn't cover?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4474.25,4478.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: I have a question. I wanted to ask you about what you think about aging as a lesbian.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4479.75,4491.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Yeah. What I think about aging altogether is just great. I just turned sixty-five and some of the benefits are I get to come to the U of O and audit classes, as long as I talk to the professor first. I'm so excited. Looked at the catalog, I want to take it all. It felt like I was a freshman or something. I was like, \"Yes!\" I think I might take Spanish classes because I'm really committed to relearning that anyway, and get a free LTD pass. Anyway, there's some other freebies that go along with that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4491.11,4525.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And aging in the lesbian community, what's interesting about that is that I'm in great company. As you saw when you had the first meeting about all of this, there's so many of us that are aging now between fifty-five, seventy-five, eighty, that are still here. And we still know each other, and we've known each other over the years, and we've watched each other raise our kids or grandkids, and we might not all be as tight knit of a community. Our housing, our relationships, our jobs, our kids, our grands, all of those things take us away from some of the communities we were in before. But I looked around the room and went, \"Oh, these are my people.\" Right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4526.36,4568.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, one day— let me think. Laura Philips and another person, I forget who right now, had a thing on lesbians and aging. Maybe it was even lesbians and gays, maybe it was LGBTQ queer folks aging, but there was something that was mostly older lesbians at the Campbell Senior Center. And we all met and talked about what different needs did we have now that we were aging, and I was like, \"Yay. I'm so glad I live in Eugene and that's the kind of conversations we have in our community.\" Right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4568.7,4603.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I know that there's been talk about, there is talk about different women's land, different places that has women's retirement, or aging women, or different things like that, or starting a home here for aging lesbians. And percentage wise, we're still everywhere, right? I feel pretty good about my connections, and the people that are in my life, and aging as a lesbian. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4604.18,4632.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Is there anything we've left out of questioning you that you think would be really important for us to know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4633.58,4643.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. One of the things is that when Cheryl and I were together, she was in the band TranSister, that had just started then, and a band Anonymous before that. And then after that, in a band called Art Grouveau, but Art Grouveau also had a couple of men in it, but the women in it were still lesbian. And TranSister was one of the first all lesbian groups that were here in Eugene, and so they got so many gigs, and so many non-profits wanted them to do benefits, and so it wasn't like a money making job, but it was so great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4643.93,4676.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they practiced in our basement, and Shalan would fall asleep to rock and roll, and whenever you needed her to fall asleep, you put on loud music. She'd go see them at Saturday Market when she was three years old and she was in her other mom's arms, and we were watching the band, and Shalan dozed off. We were all like, \"Really? Oh, yeah. Okay.\" Of course she does. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4676.17,4698.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so I'm going to be getting you in touch with the other people who were involved in that, and when Cheryl had died, April 20, of '85, the band came together, and lots of different bands and musicians that she'd played with over time and did lots of tribute songs that she had sung or that she had loved, and then sent her, her wife, and sent me, and Shalan, and her son all kinds of copies of posters and copies of TranSister memorabilia just because it honored Cheryl in that way. So there's ways to get that information. It was very fun. There were women's dances, and it wasn't just at the Riv anymore. That was pretty cool. And I was a muse. I just got to be a background part of it, and so—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4698.49,4753.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Actually, I have a follow-up question. Were you involved with any political activism surrounding the Oregon political measures?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4753.35,4762.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Yes. I was involved in sociopolitical actions about everything that was going on, especially about OCA and those kinds of things, and lots of marches, and phone calls, and leafleting, and meetings, and talking to people, and getting people out to vote.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4763.2,4782.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And another quick Shalan story, that when she was really little she went to every march with me, and we were walking home from a Take Back The Night march, and we're hearing Shalan in her stroller saying, \"Women, badaba, badababadabada.\" Women in united. And so it was just so funny. And then a year or two later, when she's talking, now we hear it again and she's singing loudly, \"Women united will never be invited.\" We thought, \"Classic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4783.97,4815.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's a lot of places they're not invited when there's women together.\" And then, when she was about four and now she's walking on her own more and everything, she's going, \"Mommy, they're not marching.\" She's totally a kid that was brought up on marchings, and so that's the best way I can describe my experience of what that was like. And just being involved in Rape Crisis Network, and in Womenspace, and Rape Crisis Network at the time when Shalan was born was— I think we were right next to her, just down the road from CALC, and so I was very involved with them. And I would often be the white woman on a panel, or when we were doing things about erasing racism or shifting racism, different— eliminating racism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4815.3,4863.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I used to do workshops on fat oppression, lesbian oppression. I used to do support groups for— as a counselor, do support groups for lesbians who were incest survivors because they didn't always feel safe going to the other groups because the women would be talking about things that didn't really relate to them, necessarily.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4863.64,4882.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then I would do groups of lesbian partners of incest survivors because if they went to the partner groups, they didn't really fit in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4882.52,4889.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The social change work wasn't just political, but the personal is political, right? I thought that everything that I did was political, and now I think that every breath I take is political and spiritual.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4891.89,4904.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's all the same work, just from a different perspective. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4907.0,4910.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Thank you. This has been great!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4910.8,4912.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Thank you so much, that was beautiful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4912.27,4912.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Thank you. Yeah, I'm not too linear, but as— I remember there was a book that— Anyway, I can't remember the name of it now either, but it was something about women's communication or women processing. Anyway, it was about how women do just talk in circular fashion, and then come back around, and grab it, and keep going, and the interweavings that we do in our conversations. And so I figured you all would steer that, or edit it, or however it went.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4912.59,4945.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I would have had to have real notes to be linear.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4945.84,4949.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Yeah, no, and I like this, I mean, because we come around with the different topics and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4949.18,4952.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Right. It all relates. Yeah. Well, thank you both.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4952.27,4956.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4956.17,4956.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: This was very fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4956.29,4957.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4957.74,4958.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ryan: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4958.13,4958.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[END OF INTERVIEW]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379#t=4958.82,4958.92"}]},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56180/file/130379/transcript/92611/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/611/original/844_Coll520_do051_aligned.vtt?1776852374","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/611/original/844_Coll520_do051_aligned.vtt?1776852374"}]}]}]}