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Music was a big part of her life while growing up. While in college, she had several romantic friendships with women. The college had expelled a student for her lesbianism, which made Marilyn fearful and closeted. In 1971, she was hired by the University of Oregon's Department of English to teach Renaissance Literature. She became a feminist, an exciting time in her life. She was involved in the establishment of the Department of Women's Studies, working with other feminists on campus, including Joan Acker. She discusses Adrienne Rich's \"lesbian continuum\" model. Marilyn received tenure, after which she had more freedom to work on topics that interested her. She was involved in the founding of the Center for the Study of Women in Society (CSWS) on campus, which was a difficult process. Marilyn discusses her process of coming out, which lasted thirty years. Marilyn describes the lesbian community in Eugene, her love of opera, and her passion for fly fishing. She has been with her partner for twenty-five years now; when same-sex marriage became legal, they married. She concludes her interview by discussing aging as a lesbian.\n\nKey terms: African Americans; Aging; Androgyny; Chicago (Il.); Closeted gays  --  United States; College teachers -- tenure -- United States; Coming out (sexual orientation); Damselflies; Eugene (Or.); Depression, mental; Harbaugh, Anne \"Izzie;\" Laskaya, Anne, 1953- ; Midwest; Milton, John, 1608-1674; Music; Opera; Rich, Adrienne, 1929-2012; Riviera Room; University of Oregon. Department of English; University of Oregon. Department of Women's and Gender Studies; Vietnam War, 1961-1975  --  Protest movements  --  United States; Women's colleges."]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Marilyn Farwell (Interviewee)","Judith L. 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This is an oral history interview with Marilyn Farwell on September 5, 2018, taking place in the University of Oregon Libraries’ recording studio in the Center for Media and Educational Technologies. The interviewers are Linda Long, Curator of Manuscripts in the UO Libraries’ Special Collections and University Archives, and Professor Judith Raiskin of the UO Department of Women's, Gender and Sexuality Studies. Marilyn, please let us know if you agree to be recorded for this project and that you give your permission for the university to preserve and make available your recorded and transcribed interview.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=9.45,50.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: I do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=50.97,53.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Thank you very much. Let's just start with the basic question. Can you please tell us when and where you were born, where you grew up and something about your early life?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=53.08,61.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: Well, I was born and raised in the Midwest, mainly in Wisconsin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=62.44,67.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is in the '40s and '50s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=72.47,75.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What year were you born?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=76.56,77.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: Forty-one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=77.69,78.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Forty-one, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=78.52,79.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: It was small town USA for most of my growing up. I wasn't aware of anything really. I played sports, I became a fanatic baseball fan, I studied. My family was all into sports, so that became one of the sources of our connection, especially with my father. Then, believe it or not, there was one baseball game a week, which we waited and waited for, on TV. Anyway, we're talking mainly about the '50s when I entered high school and that was supposedly the dating scene. I did go steady with someone, but it was always at a distance. He broke up with me, and I happily went on with my life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=79.27,155.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What kind of a high school was it that you went to?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=156.92,159.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: Very small. We were a large graduating class of thirty-two. My mother taught in the school. She was the physical education teacher, so it was very incestuous in a way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=159.61,177.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Had you gone to elementary school with these same kids?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=177.92,180.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: No. No, we moved a lot in the '40s. It wasn't until I was in seventh grade that we settled in one city, in one place, and one set of friends. So it was a little chaotic in my early childhood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=180.49,196.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What did your father do?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=196.79,198.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: Well, he was a salesman, but that was because when my mother and father graduated from college, La Crosse, in Wisconsin, there were no jobs. It was the Depression. They both started teaching, though, in the '50s. They were finally able to get jobs. Very late for both of them since they graduated in the '30s. Let's see, where was I?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=198.79,230.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: I was just trying to get a sense of what your high school was like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=231.43,233.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So it was very small?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=233.5,233.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: Very small, very small.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=233.89,235.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And you broke up with that first boyfriend?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=235.93,237.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: Yes, yes, and spent most of my time studying. That was my way to move myself out of the dating scene. I can look back now and see that that was what I was doing. Put on a lot of weight. That does it, too, to make oneself unavailable. Then came my last year, senior year, and I fell in love with one of my teachers. Not a teacher, homeroom teacher, young twenty-some-some year old, just out of college. She reciprocated, but it was one of those relationships that went only so far physically. In fact, for the next ten-fifteen years, that's the nature of my relationships with various friends. I suppose today they'd call it romantic friendship with some cuddling but nothing sexual, and I didn't know what was happening to me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=237.8,316.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now remember, this is a school in which my mother is teaching, and everybody knew that this was going on or whatever was going on. We just spent a lot of time together, and it was very exciting for me. I didn't know what had hit me. She wasn't the brightest apple on the tree, and I would teach her grammar so she could teach it the next day, but something very exciting about that. But like so many of those relationships, you just say goodbye at the end of the school year almost as if nothing happened. I think there was a series of painful separations, which you couldn't talk about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=317.23,372.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you think she had a sense of what it was?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=372.9,375.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: She had been involved with a woman before, but she did get married, good Catholic that she was. It was just that interim for her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=376.66,387.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think she thought she wasn't, but I was, kind of thing. So I went to a college. It was an all-women's college or had been. There was quite a tradition of women doing things together, running their own school government, athletics, things like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=390.7,419.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you choose it because it was a women's college?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=421.09,423.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: No, no. Friend of a friend kind of chose it for me. It was a small school. Again, a small school in Southern Illinois, MacMurray College, very good education. A lot of the teachers were older women who couldn't get jobs elsewhere and there were some fine, fine teachers there and I spent even more time studying. I never dated one male the entire time nor did I listen to [popular] music that entire time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=423.41,457.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I started getting interested in classical music and actually one of the brightest spots that I remember from that experience— I did a lot of music. I sang in choirs, I sang solos. That was one of my passions but I actually heard Leontyne Price sing at our school. She had just made her Metropolitan debut and she had already been scheduled to sing at our small college. She sang in the chapel and just kind of blew the whole chapel [wide open]. I remember I still have the autograph. Very special. She's one of my most special opera singers. I followed her for a long time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=460.21,508.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anyway, I should say that music was a very important part of my bringing up. My father was exceptionally musical and his mother during the Depression made some of her money by playing for the movies ad lib. She'd watch the movie and play the organ. She was very well known as a musician and also had a beautiful singing voice, I gather. I knew her for only a short while. She died when I was about five while I was sleeping with her as a matter of fact.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=509.81,554.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was an odd, difficult time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=555.78,558.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anyway, music ran through that family and, as a part of almost all schools, thank goodness at the time, you always picked up an instrument, you always sang in the choir and I was playing clarinet from fourth grade to high school in bands and things like that, always taking part in choruses and solo competitions, things like that, and I continued that in college. I was part of the choir. I guess music and athletics are two things that run through my life pretty consistently but, as for relationships with women in college, it was a series of romantic friendships, intense romantic friendships, and no men were on my radar. I graduated first in my class because I spent all my time studying and, again, there were those series of separations that one would go through when one didn't acknowledge the connection. When you graduated, you left the person that you basically were in love with and you didn't complain, you didn't say anything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=560.18,651.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: When you were a student, what were you studying?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=651.77,655.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: I started in chemistry. I went to English and then ended up in philosophy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=655.65,662.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So in any of your studying, did you run across any literature or ideas about homosexuality—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=662.98,671.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: None.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=671.53,671.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: —that gave you pause?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=671.6,671.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: None. The only thing I remember is that the history professor who taught us Renaissance history hinted that Michelangelo liked male bodies. That's the closest I ever got and I do know actually, I mean it was just kind of subconscious if I can use a non-technical term for that. There was one person who was kicked out of the school for her homosexual activity. I mean, nobody said the word. That was the last thing they said but it was very clear that she was involved with a freshman and so, of course, she had led them astray and she was kicked out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=672.21,725.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So you knew the stakes?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=726.87,728.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: I knew the stakes, yes, and the stakes remained high through tenure, actually. When I went to graduate school, I started out in philosophy. That didn't work. I went back in English. That did work and, once again, I had a series of romantic friendships, one of which allowed us to live together for four-five years and with a little bit of physical contact but clearly not any sexual contact and that was one of the hardest leave takings that I've had because after that, she went her way, I went mine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=728.99,785.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Would you say there's anything similar about these women to each other or the kind of women that you would be interested in?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=785.3,794.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: No. No. I actually haven't thought about that. I don't know. No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=794.67,808.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's an interesting question but I don't have an answer to that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=809.05,812.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Once I had finished my master's degree, I did spend two years in the same place but what I did was— this was in '68 and '69 I believe. I was in school the entire '60s so I was part of the— we went to protest Vietnam in Washington, D.C., protest at the universities. I almost ran into the police when I was heading out on one adventure and quickly turned around and ran back the other way. The police were at the University of Oregon. That was part and parcel of what was happening— the University of Illinois, excuse me, because I went to graduate school at the University of Illinois. I think the same thing was happening at the University of Oregon. Now I do have to say where I was— Oh, I was in graduate—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=813.76,888.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You were saying—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=888.48,888.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: Oh, I took almost a sabbatical of two years and taught in a program for black students who were brought down from Chicago to get them ready for college work. Remember this is '68 is the occurrence of the riot in the Democratic Convention—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=888.72,914.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: In Chicago.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=915.08,915.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: In Chicago. And so the university responded by bringing a lot of unprepared but still capable students from the ghettos in Chicago down to the university and we had what was called a writing lab and we would have small groups of maybe eight, ten students who then would get that kind of attention that they needed. So I taught in an all-black program for two years. I would teach black literature. This was the first time I really had read it so it was a huge learning curve for me, but this person I cared for and lived with had been in the Peace Corps so I was bound and determined to do something similar and that was what I called my peace corps experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=915.21,978.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then when I returned to graduate studies, I took my exams, did the dissertation and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=979.79,985.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What did you do your dissertation on?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=985.95,986.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: Contemporary theories of metaphysical poetry. I was always interested in the theoretical part of any—well, any part of English literature. I did, of course, teach a lot of literary criticism, ultimately feminist theory, and I was very taken with the Renaissance and I was hired here to teach John Milton because I had one of the most extraordinary teachers in graduate school, A.E. Barker who set my world on fire theoretically, and what many of us learned after we got out of his classes is that we were in love with A.E. Barker and not Milton. It was at the time a very difficult job search situation, but I realized I wanted to be only in the East Coast and the West Coast, not in the Midwest. I think the Midwest became too insular and I certainly didn't want to go home to Wisconsin and the insular kind of communities I lived in, but I didn't know why.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=986.69,1077.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I did get this job offer and it surprised me that I actually had to travel out here to take it. I was hoping just to stay where I was and thank you very much, another feather in my cap, but I did come out here and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=1080.25,1098.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you know anything about Oregon?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=1098.99,1100.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: It rained. That's what I knew. My relatives gave me umbrellas, which I promptly lost and realized that Oregonians do not carry umbrellas but it took a while for that to happen. I came here— my mother and I traveled over the country from Wisconsin with a U- Haul in the back of our car. My dad was in one of his serious depressions, so serious that he couldn't form a sentence. He was manic depressive. That will be important a little later. My mother and I traveled out here and I was plopped down in a little apartment next to the university, and there I was, knowing no one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=1101.0,1153.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What year was that, Marilyn?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=1155.04,1155.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: Seventy-one, fall of ’71. The head of the department came to— he was the only person I really knew. He was very proud to have hired a class of six assistant professors, which included a black, an Arab and a broad. I was the latter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=1155.45,1178.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And who is that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=1181.18,1181.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: No, I won't say. Someone can look it up. Anyway, it was here that I started being involved in feminism because that was what was happening. Joan Acker was at the top of her game and she had just filed I think a grievance report about—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=1181.23,1208.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you say who she was?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=1208.34,1208.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: Professor of Sociology. I call her the “Mother of us all.” Certainly at the U of O she was; she led the charge. And I got to know her within the first two years and so much was going on at the time with feminism, and lesbianism was one of the side issues and I was beginning to think that I had to examine my predilections a little more seriously. I actually considered joining a convent at the time and, of course, that was like many women who joined convents. It was to be with women. But then I realized that I was actually sexually attracted to women and that was probably in my early thirties. I mean I could see that. You just didn't talk about it. It was a blank slate in many ways.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=1209.78,1272.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I tell you, there's one book that made me sure and released me from all that pent up guilt. There was a lot of guilt around it. And that was Sappho is a Right-On Woman. I read that. I think I took it out in a paper bag from the bookstore and that just opened the whole thing for me and obviously there are people like me and that kind of opened the doors.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=1274.09,1313.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But while that was happening, I was supposed to be writing about John Milton. There's a real clash there. I was beginning to— I was certainly teaching John Milton but the more I taught him, the more I disliked him and what he stood for. I think my second year or third year I proposed a course on women writers, which was, “Are there enough women writers to populate a course?” Yes, there were. And for the first time I read some of the classics like Pride and Prejudice, Jane Eyre. No, Jane Eyre I did read. I remember reading it in graduate course on Victorian literature and I was offended that I had to write a paper on that because I thought this was a childish book. I taught it every year after that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=1313.53,1377.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I was famous for proposing courses and reading things at the last minute, but nobody got time off for a course on women and literature and I was proposing and drafting courses one after another. Like on Renaissance women, we had to go to the rare books room to get the material. Now you have compendiums and you can go and buy a number of anthologies, but nothing like that existed. It was a learning experience for all of us but, because it was such a learning experience, it was exciting. It was a very exciting time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=1378.79,1431.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At the same time, I was involved in creating the Women's Studies Program and that was when Barbara Bateman was part of the original group. She resigned and I and another person became the co-chair of that and here I was, an untenured professor, doing this kind of thing that I didn't realize how much that was not the way you do things. I was teaching courses on women writers. I was spending a lot of time devising the Women's Studies Program and I started writing not on Milton but on Virginia Woolf and Adrienne Rich when I finally did start putting things together because it was a very confusing time. Most of my life has been a confusing time I think until now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=1431.26,1488.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But those things are not conducive to getting tenure, nor is being gay at that time conducive to getting tenure and I was gradually coming out to people and being involved with women so that it was obvious— I didn't think it was obvious but it was obvious to anybody who wanted to look twice that I was lesbian and I started doing a lot of research on androgyny, thinking that was a perfectly neutral topic that would not make me complicit in any kind of sexual identity. It took a long time. I think I was rather naïve at the time to realize, oh my gosh, they might actually think I'm gay because of this topic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=1492.02,1549.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When I was up for tenure, I barely made it because they want a very clear direction of research and I was doing this and that, doing Woolf and Milton. I did have a nice article on Milton. I had some on Adrienne Rich and Virginia Woolf and more theoretical articles. I dared to challenge the idea of the persona in poetry and claim that it was anti-feminist at least as it had been defined by the New Critics.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=1549.95,1589.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that's what I had when I went up for tenure, which means I was everywhere and nowhere and I can say that George Wickes was the person who probably got me tenure in the end. I mean he couldn't do anything about the committees or anything like that but—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=1590.41,1615.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What year was it you came up for tenure?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=1615.23,1616.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: Seventy-seven, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=1616.7,1618.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So it was just after he had published the book on Natalie Barney?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=1618.15,1620.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: Yes, yes, and he had asked me to read it several times and I just felt embarrassed. Why would he have me read his book on Natalie Barney? But it was an education and it was very fun to read. That's for sure. But he wanted my opinion of what? But that was part of my thinking, nobody knew, nobody was aware.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=1620.74,1649.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I did get tenure, which meant that I could do any damn thing I wanted and so I went fully into feminist topics, research, teaching.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=1650.26,1667.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then I started devising course after course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=1668.22,1671.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And were they all well accepted or did you get pushback on any of the courses?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=1671.82,1675.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: No. No, all I had to do was propose something on the 500 or 400 level, which is the graduate senior level. No, no, they didn't know what to do with me, I think. They just left me alone. One of the courses I taught and these are all the disguised courses, Women in Communities. I had a wonderful time teaching Christine de Pizan, Country of the Pointed Firs, things like that but I was very into— in 1980, Adrienne Rich published this very famous/infamous article on lesbian continuum in which she talked about lesbian as not necessarily a sexual definition but as a term, even a metaphor, that described women's primary intensity with one another. That was not well accepted by the lesbian community, which didn't want to give up their term for anybody who happened to have a connection with another woman. But I took it as a point of a departure for research and tried to spin off that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=1676.53,1759.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What I did then was give papers on lesbian topics at these various scholarly conferences, but I never wrote an article until later about this topic. I didn't want that announced in the English department newsletter, so I was still holding back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=1759.95,1787.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can I ask you a question about that? Were you fearful of repercussions or uncomfortable with just exposure? What kept you? Because now you have tenure. What kept you from—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=1788.02,1803.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: I grew up in the church, in the Anglican Church and it's very much like the Roman Catholic Church. Homosexuality is not accepted or it wasn't and [I had] a lot of guilt and shame. You don't lose that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=1804.28,1827.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You don't ever lose that. I've never been one to carry a banner. I did I suppose push the boundaries, push my own boundaries by teaching all these courses and doing the scholarly papers, which I then would put down on my vita. So the lesbian was all over the place on my vita. But somehow if I didn't have to stand up and announce it, I was okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=1828.25,1861.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's a strange feeling that a lot of people these days don't understand, and one of the things I remember telling young people about my \"romantic friendships,\" and they couldn't believe that it didn't become sexual. People have to understand that there were plenty of relationships that were like that. Certainly in the nineteenth century, Lillian Faderman wrote this book called Romantic Friendships and when we jump to conclusions about Emily Dickinson or Eleanor Roosevelt, I think we have to be very cautious because this kind of platonic relationship could exist very intensely and maybe with some physical contact but not necessarily sexual.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=1863.5,1916.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I know a lot of— the Ladies of St. Llangollen, for instance, in the late eighteenth century, well-known literary people or at least who had a lot of literary people come to them in Wales, probably didn't have a sexual relationship but maybe did. Who knows and to jump conclusively to that conclusion is not a good scholarly way of looking at this kind of relationship prior to the big movement that brought us all out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=1917.13,1959.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That kind of thing lasts. Shame and guilt last a long time, a lifetime easily and I look at some of the young lesbians and both admire and am jealous of the way that they can be out at twelve, you know, fourteen and know who they are. It took me more than thirty years to even have an inkling of who I was and even then it was a very slow process. You asked did I ever come out? When I did come out to friends? 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It took a long while to realize that I could actually be attractive to somebody else and I, of course, never was to men or I made myself unattractive to men but that I could be attractive was a heady experience and I certainly didn't know that some people were but it was strange. 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I told you my father had manic depression. I got the depression side and so I had a series of episodes of depression and the first one I got with a very heterosexual-oriented therapist who suggested, when I said I did have attractions to women, that I go to a clinic and the other solution was that I wear a low-cut red dress. Somehow neither of those did I try or would have worked.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2063.1,2110.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My priest about the same time, when I was so worried about these attractions to women, said, well, it was a like a disease or a wound that had healed and then in the next breath he said it was like the color of my skin. Obviously he hadn't thought this through. I called him on that. I said, \"Those are two very, very different images with different conclusions about who I am.\" But these were people trying to deal with it in the '60s and had no idea how to do it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2110.71,2149.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I also encountered, because I experienced my first really hard depression when I came here, another male therapist who tried to tell me that female monkeys go toward dolls and male monkeys don't. 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I just buried my nose in a book and went on from there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2174.46,2192.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What did your parents make of you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2192.25,2193.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: I was an outdoor girl. I did a lot of camping and hiking so they could pin my look on that description. I was an outdoor girl, and the feminism thing, that I was a women's libber and they did know that I was with women but my dad just said they were my pals. I don't think, if I had told them openly \"I am a lesbian,\" that that would have computed. My mother and I actually— she lived much longer than my father and she was living with my partner and me at the time and she still was concerned that I would be left alone after she died.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2193.74,2241.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We talked around the topic and she was there in our house. We were sleeping in the same bed but if you don't want to know something the mind is very good, just as my mind was very good, at cutting out the fact that I might be gay. So I think the mind is a very powerful organ and one of the things we can do is deny very well, very well. It doesn't take much practice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2245.38,2280.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: When you were on campus and it's the beginnings of—you were starting Women's Studies, maybe the Center for the Study of Women in Society?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2281.1,2289.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: We started meeting with the person who would give us the money in the late '70s I believe and I was the only humanities person in this group of about four sociologists. We didn't get the money I think until 1982. Please check that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2290.08,2312.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Something like that, yeah, after he died.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2312.25,2313.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: Oh yeah—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2313.57,2314.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: It was William Harris, after he died.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2314.55,2315.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: Yeah, and they also held up the money because the executor was trying to get his share, too, but we did get it and we set up— Joan Acker again was the primary person. She got this thing going. I was a part of the council and the group and just like any political— and this wasn't supposed to be political but of course it was political, just as women's studies was— A lot of tension around how we're going to— what is our aim going to be, are we going to have anything in the community, are we going to be just a scholarly organization?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2315.74,2356.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I once brought a bottle of Pepto-Bismol to one of the meetings. That was the only way I could get through. So if you ask was I involved in community activities? No. I had more than I could handle being involved in the politics of the university, the beginnings of Women's Studies and Center for the Study of Women in Society. 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I would go to the bar in Portland. It was, as I said, a very heady time. Who knew that there were women there that would dance with women? And then I would sometimes see a compatriot at the Riv Room. One of my colleagues was there, married but he used to like the Riv Room, and we all sort of knew but you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2442.49,2475.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Did you have a sense of the town and gown? I mean the Riv Room mainly was Eugene community lesbians— I think was the Riv Room.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2475.08,2483.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2483.55,2485.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What was that like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2485.02,2485.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: Well, I was never much into dancing, partying, things like that. It was just, as I said, heady to go to these places where there were mainly women who were dancing with women and that in itself was what I went for.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2488.09,2506.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you dance?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2506.96,2509.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: Yes. Slow dances. I usually went with somebody. I didn't go there to find somebody. I'm not that kind of girl. But the same thing in Portland. I met some people in Portland who I became very close to and I would go up there. Of course, that was a way to be fully out far from my identity here. So the first person I was really involved with was from Portland.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2509.67,2548.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was that like to finally be involved with somebody?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2549.52,2552.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: Well, it wasn't the best of choices for me but I just took whoever was available at the time because I had by that time I imagined myself in a sexual relationship so it fulfilled that and it was a terrible relationship and within less than a year it was over. But I did go to a women's music festival once in the '80s. By that time, I was in a long-term relationship with someone and we had close friends, close couple friends, and we went down to Santa Barbara and went to the women's music festival there. That was very freeing, being on the land with only women without the controversies that you have today.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2552.8,2610.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I even remember getting a fake tattoo, taking my shirt off and I was so angry that people could be cool, that men could be so much cooler. I don't mean hip. I mean bodily temperature by taking their shirts off because, of course, it was hot in Santa Barbara even in the hills and little things like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2611.12,2644.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What year was that when you went to Santa Barbara?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2645.17,2646.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: Some place in the '80s I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2646.6,2648.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you ever go to Mother Kali's Bookstore?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2648.56,2653.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: Did I ever go to Mother Kali's? That was one of the places where the community did meet and I did go to all of her incarnations of the Mother Kali's bookstore and went to meetings there and I mentioned that one of the most memorable was Audre Lorde coming and a lot of lesbians were at that meeting— meeting, talk, discussion. Audre Lorde didn't give lectures. She just kind of talked.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2653.87,2687.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Izzie was the kind of person who would tell you what you should read next. \"Here, I have a book for you,\" she would say. For me, because my music interest had gradually expanded into a kind of fanaticism for opera, she would have a book on the death of an opera singer in Venice that I should really read, but I did then gradually have her order our books. She would also tell us what to order, what we should read and not read. \"You're going to read The Well of Loneliness? That's a terrible book,\" she would say. Of course, for historical purposes, we had to read The Well of Loneliness but when she got on campus, it was so much easier to order books and that was I think a great help for her bookstore and it would get women into the bookstore, men too, a few men who took my classes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2692.43,2760.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So my connection with her is a long one and I went out to their farm at one point, but I was not integral to the community that surrounded her or the general Eugene community, but certainly those aspects of it were very much part of my life. But the university took most of my time and energy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2764.13,2797.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you feel isolated from your department, given your interests?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2797.94,2802.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: Well, for a while, yes. I was the only one that did any feminist kind of studies and then gradually we got some scholars who were into feminism like Barbara Mossberg and then finally Mary Wood that those were reliefs to me and there were a few around campus, Barbara May, for instance, who I could go to and talk about things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2802.97,2845.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, isolated? I don't feel I was isolated but then I'm not a joiner. I'm not a party person. I wasn't in the social circle of the English department. I was in lesbian social circles and I stayed in those and I was comfortable there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2847.01,2870.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So no, if they had a party, let's say a dinner party, I was never aware of it. I didn't partake so I suppose in that way I was isolated but it didn't bother me because I had my own social community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2871.33,2891.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Who was in your social community?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2892.2,2895.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: Well, my partner at the time, Monza Naff and then finally somebody in music came and she and her partner were a very close couple. I had that kind of social connection. The lesbian couples that we met or single people that we would gradually have dinner with and share trips with and things like that, that satisfied all the social networking that I needed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2895.38,2924.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What were your relationships like? Were they long term or shorter?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2930.01,2934.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: Both. I had one long-term relationship, not period, but during my time at the university. Who started out as a graduate student, not something I'd recommend, but we were with each other for about ten years. Before and after some short-term relationships which like many of us, would like to forget and then I've been with my current partner and have married her, for twenty-five years now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2934.66,2977.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How did you meet?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2977.59,2982.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: Friends. In fact, a person from the university community, Anne Laskaya and I became friends and again that's the social network that I had with her and her partner. And her partner, whom Anne thinks was psychic, was sure that Kay and I would make a good couple and Anne was very cautious about it but her partner, who has since died, wanted us to get together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=2982.73,3021.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, the first time it didn't work. We were both involved in other things and didn't have time for such piddling things as relationships and six months later tried again and that's about right now in fact, twenty-five years ago, in late August and September. It was Labor Day, yes. We got together and had our commitment ceremony that December like many lesbians do right away. A nun presided over this, a dear friend and then three years ago, my dear friend Julee, presided over our official wedding. And that's almost three years ago to the day. Somebody called us and congratulated us a couple of weeks ago and we had no idea that it was our anniversary of that connection.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3021.78,3090.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: That was 2015 when marriage became legal?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3090.18,3092.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: Yeah, we did it as soon as we could.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3092.93,3095.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was it like to be able to get married legally and what was your wedding like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3096.81,3101.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: It was lovely. It was in our backyard. Again, I'm not a big group person so we had about thirty people and it was a wonderful August day. Some people flew in from New York, which surprised us and it was pretty much the same set of vows that we had at the first commitment ceremony. I just basically printed out what we did there and Julee added a few wonderful comments and blessed us and all sorts of things like that. I still can't believe it. When you grow up with that— what I said was guilt and shame, the idea of just being able to live your life is all you want without any harassment. The idea of getting married was so far from my dreams that I never even considered it and, as I said, I still am a little in shock and awe about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3106.27,3187.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you call her your wife?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3187.51,3189.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: You know, I do and I swore I never would and I do because it's the only way that you confirm what the relationship is and that you are indeed married. So I have done this several times. Sometimes I say partner. Most of the time I say wife and I had one person at an opera— I sometimes go on these opera tours and I said, \"My wife.\" \"Pardon?\" \"My wife.\" \"I'm sorry, I didn't\"— could not compute. Sort of like my mother. I'm sure if my mother had been alive at the time it would not have computed either or she would have hid in back of the couch in her shame but she did remind me that my dad had two sisters that lived together their entire lives so it must have come from his side.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3189.92,3251.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What's life like for you since retirement? It's been how long since you've been retired?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3253.11,3260.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: Almost twenty years, the best time of my life. Oh, I've taken up two passions. Opera has always been a part of my passionate life since the end of the '60s. I met a guy who was into opera. As I said, I had seen Leontyne Price when she was a babe practically and he really pushed me over the edge and we went to Chicago to see operas and singers. This was at the University of Illinois so singers came to us and I really got the bug and throughout my teaching career, I didn't have the time or money to do much of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3260.02,3305.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I took off, not literally, I took off, I joined an online group from a school in England that had classes and a program called Opera Studies and I think I took ten years’ worth of classes. Wonderful materials, graduate level courses and after a while I thought I don't need to write papers any more, I'll just take it what they call read only. So I've been studying and then, at the same time, I was asked to write reviews for The Register-Guard, music reviews. That was my all-time goal, to write opera reviews, be an opera critic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3306.16,3356.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I just finished almost twenty years of being a music critic for The Register-Guard. Since they changed hands, I'm a little more reluctant to take part but twenty years is enough for anything. That's one side, a lot of music. I traveled, London. I would burn up the highway between here and Portland and Seattle going to their operas. It did get a little old after about fifteen years of doing that, so I'm staying home a little bit. I still go down to San Francisco and go to a lot of their music operas—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3357.52,3402.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You used to go to Santa Fe?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3402.14,3403.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: Oh, we were in Santa Fe a couple of years ago. Yes, I went to Santa Fe a lot. Wonderful place, wonderful place. My wife is an artist and so she had her outlet, I had mine in Santa Fe. In New York, I found this wonderful group that does opera tours. I've joined them a number of times usually in New York but sometimes in St. Louis and Houston, so I've been all over the country mainly, and we've gone to London a couple of times and seen operas there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3403.07,3440.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I have in mind a book that is about early opera, trying to weave some of my own experiences as many memoir, non-memoir kinds of books are being written today, weaving in their own personal experience with another approach. Who knows if I'll ever— those who watch this may know that I probably never finished it but if I have time and if I can make myself sit in a dark corner typing— I have about twenty-five pages written already and I don't imagine anything more than a hundred. So who knows? It may happen. It may happen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3442.24,3493.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: I forgot to ask you about your book on lesbian narratology.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3493.3,3495.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: Yes, I did write that and that was a good twenty years ago, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3496.26,3501.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was when I really came out to the department.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3501.53,3505.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was that book?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3505.09,3507.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: Well, I had discovered narratology as a discipline a good number of years before that. It just fascinated me and it still does, although I certainly haven't kept up with any scholarly literature on this topic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3508.05,3526.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And since so many theorists, again theory comes cropping up, wrote about on one side lesbian novels written by people like Jane Rule and on the other side, the more experimental novels that mixed up chronology to say the very least about what was happening and the high theorists were praising this kind of book and dissing this kind of book, and I thought of a way I thought I could try to bridge that gap through narratology.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3527.67,3567.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Izzie read the first chapter and said no, it was too theoretical. Izzie wanted something in plain English and just to be accepted by the scholarly community, I did a little more than— I wouldn't do it now but more theoretical language than I did in that book, but it did give me the professorship that I said I wanted before I died.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3570.64,3602.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I didn't want to die an associate professor so I got that. I remember being— You have to be interviewed by the Dean of the Liberal Arts School because their committee made a recommendation and she had to make a recommendation and, in talking to her, she could not say the word lesbian. She said “less-bian,” “less-bian,” and I didn't know if that was a different kind of dyke or I don't know if she'd never encountered the word but I did everything I could not to laugh because my promotion was depending on this— and it sailed through. It wouldn't have and my tenure many years before but I made it and I sit here not ready to die, but full professor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3603.38,3663.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And a fisher person.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3665.74,3666.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: And a fisher. I took up fishing. I've always been that outdoor girl and I'd done various things, backpacking, hiking, canoeing and a friend got me into fishing and then I started thinking what is this fly fishing about? So I took courses, of course, always taking courses. That's my way into a topic and there is an art that you have to learn to fly fishing and then I found a group called The Damselflies, a women's fly fishing group that's here in Eugene and it's wonderful. I just took a trip with a bunch of them. We take trips in various places and four or five of us signed up to do this trip to the Williamson River. We did that. A couple of weeks ago. It has consumed my life. That's really why I think I'm not going to finish the book because I think there is a steelhead out there waiting for me. I caught one two weeks ago, brought it in myself from my own little boat and that's the thrill that I get.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3666.6,3748.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They say the tug is the drug and it is. I have been expanding my fly fishing and in October I'll be going to a spey clinic for steel heading.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3748.86,3762.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A spey clinic is a different way of casting your rod. It's a two- handed rod and mainly used for steelhead and steelhead are wonderful to catch because they put up a big fight, you rarely get them on the fly, and I've already caught four on the fly. I'm up there in a pantheon and the last newsletter from The Damselflies called me “The Steelhead Whisperer,” which was very nice. I'm not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3762.17,3792.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Could you explain the joke about Damselflies?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3792.4,3794.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: There's no joke. But I never thought in my feminist life that I would call myself a damsel and we do call each other damsels. Whatever it takes. There is such a thing as a damselfly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3795.04,3812.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: That's what I meant.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3813.1,3814.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3814.81,3815.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you have thoughts about aging as a lesbian?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3818.27,3823.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: I don't want to be put into one of these retirement homes with a lot of heterosexuals. That's the main thing I think of but then I don't want to be put in a retirement home with a lot of lesbians either. So I guess I'm going to die very lonely and alone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3823.27,3842.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What are your hesitations about each of those scenarios?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3844.79,3846.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: Well, I don't want to listen to a lot of men trying to take over any kind of group that's happening as they have ever since, throughout the university life that I've had. And, as you might have imagined, I'm a little shy and I don't like a lot of people around. I don't want to have to walk out to any place to eat and say hello to twenty-five people whose names I've forgotten or don't want to remember. It's just my personality more than anything else, and we keep upping the grade of our home. We built a number of things, you must come to see this, in the last two years that I'm utterly astonished to have in our backyard, which means that we have given up the idea of moving period, and I expect, don't tell Kay this, I expect that I will go first and she will take care of me. Although she says, \"If I'm ill, you will hire somebody to take care of me.\" We'll see about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3846.92,3924.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What have you built in your backyard?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3924.54,3925.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: A magnificent hot tub area secluded, not just sitting on the deck and we have a pool. Next to the pool, instead of a wire fence, we have put a beautiful wooden fence with another little garden patch and a stone wall there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3927.49,3954.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: I thought you were building adaptive elderly things in the backyard but it doesn’t sound like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3954.43,3961.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: No, no, I will tumble down to the pool and get my exercise and somebody can ratchet me back up. So far so good. I haven't had any major illnesses but when you get to be seventy-seven, you expect something around the corner.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3962.04,3980.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You've lived a very long, not long but very full life, at the university and just intellectually. Thinking about the best ways to live, I'm wondering if you can imagine a young person watching this, if you have any advice for a young person about how to live well. You've been a teacher a long time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=3981.23,4008.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: Yes, I've been a teacher but I've never given advice about how to live. My story isn't a story that the people who will be watching this will go through. What I want them to know is that it did happen, that there were times when it was such a scary experience to be gay that you were frightened for your livelihood, sometimes your life. I never had to experience it. That mainly is a gay male problem but it happens to a lot of gay people period, and I'm hoping that people don't have to go through that again. This business of deciding who you are and what gender you are at twelve or fourteen or even sixteen I think is ridiculous. Not deciding, if you're gay, if you have that predilection, then it's wonderful to make contact with people who are like you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=4008.25,4078.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But one of the things I am not doing right now is a lot of political activity. Since I did enough for a lifetime at the university, I have excused myself and I go fishing whenever I can and go to the opera whenever I can.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=4082.5,4099.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: That sounds great. Many more years. Thank you very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=4099.49,4104.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Farwell: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=4105.0,4106.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=4106.0,4106.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[END OF INTERVIEW]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300#t=4106.58,4106.68"}]},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56025/file/130300/transcript/92578/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/578/original/766_Coll520_do016_aligned.vtt?1776852351","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/578/original/766_Coll520_do016_aligned.vtt?1776852351"}]}]}]}