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Her father was a member of a labor union. Growing up, she became aware of the value of labor and of community. As a child, Kate was a tomboy and her parents were at odds with her temperament. Kate discusses the elitism of the British school system and her path through it. She received a degree in philosophy and psychology and started teaching. Meanwhile, she was in two bands, performing as a singer. She taught for two years at a college in London. At this time, she began reading feminist theory. In 1973, she moved to the United States, enrolled at the University of Oregon and studied with Sociology Professor Joan Acker. She started teaching at Lane Community College. She loved teaching, and as the only professor in Women's Studies, she developed the curriculum. In 1985 Kate started the program \"Women in Transition,\" which helped women develop a career plan. Kate discusses sexuality and the lesbian community. In the early 1980s, she fell in love with a woman. Meanwhile, Kate received a doctorate in education from Oregon State University. Kate discusses the anti-gay ballot measures. Kate became Associate Vice President for student affairs at Lane Community College. In this position, she dealt with sexual harassment policies and discrimination issues. She was also able to put gender identity into the policies. She worked with University of Oregon feminist professors Joan Acker and Sandra Morgen on their welfare project. Kate retired in 2013. She became the president of the Board of Soromundi Lesbian Chorus of Eugene. She finishes her interview by discussing sexual identity and aging issues.\n\nKey terms: Ballot Measure 8; Ballot Measure 9; Education  --  Great Britain; Lane Community College (Eugene, Or.) -- Women in Transition Program; Lesbian identity; Oregon Citizens Alliance; Soromundi Lesbian Chorus of Eugene; University of Oregon. Department of Sociology."]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Kate Barry (Interviewee)","Judith L. Raiskin (Interviewer)","Linda Long (Interviewer)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["In Copyright"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["https://scua.uoregon.edu/repositories/2/archival_objects/606987"]}},{"label":{"en":["Type"]},"value":{"en":["Moving Image"]}}],"summary":{"en":["The Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project Collection consists of interviews of 83 people for the Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project, conducted by Professor Judith Raiskin and Curator Linda Long at the University of Oregon starting in the summer of 2018."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["In Copyright"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/029/original/uo-logo-hires.png?1580744881","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/130/606/small/Coll520_do065.jpg?1637587337","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - Coll520_do065.mp4"]},"duration":5651.2,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/130/606/small/Coll520_do065.jpg?1637587337","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-universityoforegonlibraries.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/130/606/original/Coll520_do065.mp4?1637587337","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":5651.2,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["859_Coll520_do065_aligned [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: This oral history interview is part of the Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project. The recordings will be made available through the University of Oregon Libraries’ Special Collections and University Archives. This is an oral history interview with Kate Barry on July 30, 2019, taking place in the University of Oregon Libraries’ recording studio in the Center for Media and Educational Technologies. The interviewers are Linda Long, Curator of Manuscripts in the UO Library's Special Collections and University Archives, and Professor Judith Raiskin, of the UO Department of Women's Gender and Sexuality Studies. Kate, please let us know if you agree to be recorded for this project and that you give your permission for the university to preserve and make available your recorded and transcribed interview.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=4.41,52.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: I do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=52.79,53.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: All right, thank you very much. Let's just start with a basic question. Can you please tell us when and where you were born, where you grew up and something about your early background?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=53.08,62.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Sure. I was born in England, in a little mining town called Stanley, in County Durham, which is the northeast of England. It's coal country. Grew up and went to school there. My parents— my dad wasn't a miner. My grandfather was a miner and was invalided out of the mine with black lung and so my grandmother, my paternal grandmother, was determined that her sons wouldn't go down the mine. So they trained as electricians, but of course the only work was in the mines, so they ended up in the mine anyway. But then once electricity was nationalized in England, then there were jobs above ground, so my father worked as a lineman, foreman electrician above ground.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=62.1,112.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What year was he born and what year were you born?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=112.41,115.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: I was born in 1944. My dad was born in— gosh, let me think. He was thirty-eight when I was born, so you can do that math.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=117.72,127.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Okay, yeah, we can do the math.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=127.76,129.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: I don't know that I'm up to doing that math at this moment. I was born right at the end of World War II for the Europeans. My father was a union organizer and at that point, the electrical trade union was CP, Communist Party, so I was very much— the values that surrounded me from him were very much values of socialism and change and organizing. We had guys stomping around our house in big boots calling each other brother, and I cranked the mimeo machine down at the union hall.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=129.43,174.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And my mum was a nurse, at home for part of my childhood, but then my dad had a heart attack when I was eight and she went back to work. My mum was an unrepentant working class Tory who was very silent during any political discussion, except when my dad died when I was fourteen, and right after he died— because you know in England, it's very different from here. All of the newspapers have a very distinct political character. You know what those are, there's no sort of, what I think of as the pretense of objectivity. There's just the mediated subjectivities. Anyway, so our newspapers changed. Everything changed as soon as my dad died because my mum could kind of come out as the conservative that she was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=175.47,223.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, I grew up working class, little village, in an extraordinarily elitist British education system. When I grew up, you took a national exam at age eleven. It was called the Eleven-plus and if you passed that, you got to go to a school from which you could take exams to go to university. If you didn't pass that, that was it, you were done. Everybody's future was decided at age eleven and there was really no chance to go to a university if you failed that exam. I have a good friend in Portland right now who's also English, my friend Eileen, and she failed the Eleven-plus. And this is a very, very smart woman. Very well-read, and somewhere deep inside she thinks she isn't smart. And so she was marked by that experience. English kids were just limited and marked by that experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=224.86,281.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And their opportunities changed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=281.17,282.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Your opportunities changed drastically and it's a very heavily class- bound system and you're very conscious of class. It's not like the United States where of course there is class, but people don't think about it or everybody's something called middle-class. Whereas in England, it's just very, very different, even now. Even though it's supposed to be more of a so-called meritocracy, it isn't. But even now. If I went back to England now, people would hear me speak and, first of all, they'd think I was an American until I picked up my accent again, but then they would know immediately that I was working class origin, went to university. They would know that from my speech and I would know that from anybody in England's speech. I'd know where they were from, what class they were, what education they had. It just marks you. It's one of the attractions of coming to the United States, actually, is that, at least on the surface, all that dissolves.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=282.59,335.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mean, I was lucky enough to be the kind of kid who read a lot, who could do that visual/auditory learning really easily so passed exams and got to university. But at the time I went— and that was— we were the first generation to go to university because that was— the scholarship system was established after World War II, by the Labour Government. My sister, my cousin and I were the first in our family. My father left school when he was eleven, twelve, to go into an apprenticeship. My mum left school about fourteen to go to nursing school, which is a working class job in England. You don't train— at least then, you didn't train to be a nurse by going to college. Not a lot of education at all. But I was lucky enough to be part of that generation who if you'd got your way through those many sets of public examinations, you got to go to university and your way was paid. At that point, in Britain, was maybe about six percent of the population got to go to university.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=337.41,413.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"An extraordinarily— it's a little better now. It's wider now, but extraordinarily elitist and focused and framed, from a very, very early age.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=413.72,425.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was your temperament as a kid?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=425.26,427.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Oh. What was my— I think it would depend on which member of my family you asked. I read a lot. I tended to be the kind of kid who— because we had this little terraced house, in a two up, two down— like, two bedrooms, four people, toilet's in the backyard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=427.73,454.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's no inside plumbing. I became adept at being in an armchair in the corner reading because I liked to read. But I was also— I liked to be outside. I was known as a tomboy. You know, wanted to climb trees, didn't want dolls, wanted a train. This memory of my father begging me to have a doll when I was about five or six, just begging me to have one. \"Would you please just have a doll.\" And I'm like, \"No, no, no. I want a train. I want a train.\" He did actually buy me a train set, which was great. It was really great. So, both kind of internal in the sense that I read a lot and thought a lot. My mother thought I was a very odd duck because I said I was never going to get married, never going to have children. But also someone who was kind of in with the boys, pushing and shoving and doing things like running across the train tracks in front of the train, going out on the ice when you weren't supposed to go on the pond, that sort of stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=454.42,517.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: That was your elementary school years?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=517.9,521.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=521.25,522.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And once you went to middle school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=522.19,523.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: It's not the same system. Once you pass that exam at eleven, you go to three different tiers of schools. The folks who failed— the exam had two parts. The folks who failed the first part went to this school, which meant you were probably going to go to some kind of working class occupation. In the shop for girls, or the factory.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=524.13,547.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Maybe a trade for guys if they got into an apprenticeship. If you passed the first part and failed the second part— this is just so disgusting when you think about it. This is just disgusting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=547.41,556.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anyway, then you got to go to this middle school where you could sit some exams and go into clerical works. More of a low middle- class kind of occupation. And then, if you passed both parts you got to go to a grammar school and that was the track to university to go to that school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=556.99,572.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And even at that stage was education segregated by sex?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=573.27,577.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: No. No. We weren't segregated by sex. They were segregated by uniform. Everybody who went to school after age eleven had to wear the school uniform and you had a certain kind of uniform if you were a grammar school kid, and a certain kind of uniform if you were the middle kid, and a certain kind of uniform if you were like the bottom of the hill kid, you know? And in class, this was true, actually, from age five on. In my elementary school in class, you sat in the order that you were. So, if you were top of the class, you sat here, all the way down to bottom of the class, number thirty-five, over here. And that is where you sat in your elementary school desk according to the tests you were doing from age five.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=578.92,628.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=628.97,630.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Yeah, you had to see. Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=630.5,632.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Was there bullying in school then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=632.28,635.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Yeah, there was. I think. I mean, I know because I was sitting up at this end of the class and— there was a lot of— not a lot, but yeah, some bullying, some attempted intimidation, kicks on the stairs, that kind of thing. And certainly there was a lot of, once you did the Eleven-plus and went to grammar school and then, again, you were in different what they called forms, which is your grade level, even then it was clear who was the A form, the B form, and the C form. And the A form are the folks who were doing best, and again— there's a lot of negativity addressed to you if you were doing very well because if you were doing very well, it meant you were going to leave the working class and go to university.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=635.58,691.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Therefore, you were not okay. Therefore, you were going to be posh. So, there was a lot of that and there was a lot of sexism, although I wouldn't have called it that at the time, of course, because we're talking about ‘50s and early ‘60s. But a lot of negativity expressed towards you if you were a girl and doing well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=691.73,712.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think after my first year at the grammar school, I was top of the class, whatever, and the headmaster came in and lectured the class about why a girl was number one and what was wrong with you boys? And this was not okay and it should not happen. He wouldn't use the words “okay” but, you know. There was a lot of stigma attached to you, especially if you were female and doing well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=713.91,742.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And how did you deal with that? What was your feelings about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=742.21,747.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Well, I felt diminished. I knew that I was treated differently because I was a girl. I didn't have a name for it. I didn't have words to talk about that. But I knew that there was difference, I knew I was being disparaged, being belittled. I had a physics teacher who decided that because I was a girl I needed to be taken down a peg or two, and so he would just criticize everything I said. Whenever I answered, didn't matter whether it was right, he would find something wrong with it and he would just pick on me the whole time. And I eventually got to the point in his classroom where I eventually stopped speaking, actually. I stopped answering questions. I stopped speaking. I started to pretend, oh, maybe I'm somewhere else. That's the way I dealt with it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=747.31,803.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. What were your friendships like in these later teenage years?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=803.79,808.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: I had some close friendships with girls. I was considered kind of persona non grata by boys because I was the bright girl. And at that point, I didn't really have any notion of any variance in sexuality at all. I'm in this little white working class mining village. I read a lot so I knew from literature other things existed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=810.54,840.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you remember what you read as a teenager that gave you some inkling?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=840.63,844.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Well, I mean, I'm not sure. I think what I read gave me an inkling that there were other existences. I'm not sure how much direct education it gave me about my situation. Because I used to read nineteenth-century French and Russian literature and some English literature and that kind of thing. I knew there were different ways of thinking, different worlds. I was determined to escape the back streets of my world. I had a really— this is lots about childhood, is this okay?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=844.64,885.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Mm-hmm [affirmative].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=885.18,885.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Yeah. I had a really pivotal figure growing up who I adored, who is my great-aunt, and she had— Let me think, when was she born?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=885.34,896.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She ran away before the First World War. She was probably born a little— at 1900. Yeah, at 1900. And when she's about fifteen or sixteen, she ran away from home. She ran away from this little village and found her way, somehow, down to the south of England, lied about her age and got into nursing school. She never married and she, from that point, worked her way up to being a sister to a matron of a London hospital during the Blitz, to— when I was a child she was the administrative head of nursing for the whole north of England.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=897.09,939.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=939.22,939.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: She was this extraordinarily glamorous figure to me because she drove a car. Ah! cars were non-existent! This is Brit working class in the ‘50s. No cars, no cars, no cars. And so she would descend on our little village and she'd swoop my sister and I up and off we'd go to the city. She'd take us to ballet and she'd take us to these posh hotels for tea. \"These wee girls need some sandwiches.\" And she'd drive as fast as we wanted her to and go around the roundabouts fifty times if that's what we wanted. I just adored her. And so to me, she was the symbol of, okay, if you don't marry and have children and get rooted here, you can do other things. I think she was my view into the future, in that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=939.41,990.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. Did you go to university?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=990.37,993.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. I did. I did. I went to University of Durham at Newcastle. Yeah, I did. I went to medical school originally, which was a very, very, poor choice for me, but in the English educational system, I mean, nobody's advising you and you have— the education is so narrow and focused, by the time you're fourteen, you have to narrow your sets of subjects down because by the time you're sixteen, you're going to have a set of public exams in eight or nine subjects. And by the time you're eighteen, you're going to have a set of public exams in three subjects. You don't get to explore. If you get to get— I got onto a science and math track, although my best subject was English literature. So I was on this science track, and then you don't get to go back and do something else because you either pass these exams and go to university at eighteen, or you don't. And that's it. That is your opportunity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=994.12,1056.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, I ended up going to medical school and hated it, but felt very trapped by where I was because I was there because I'd passed all of this stuff and there was no other way out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1057.6,1076.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You couldn't go back and do English.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1076.73,1077.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Couldn't go back. Couldn't redo. I coped by my early teenage way of coping, which was, okay, I'm not really doing this, I'm not really here, which is not a very good way to go to medical school. And so I failed all the exams. I'd never failed anything in my life, and had what I think, what I characterize now, as kind of a nervous breakdown. Just went into a bedsit apartment with friends and they looked after me and I tried to recover. And then I discovered this very, very unusual department at the University, philosophy and psychology department, who took people who had somehow fallen out of the system. The professor that was head of the department was the Dean of the School of the Arts, so he could make differences in what happened. He allowed people to come back in and do something different, which was unheard of in England at the time. I was just very, very fortunate to be in that place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1077.91,1143.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What you had to do was go to the psychology department. They gave you an IQ test and if you scored above blah, blah, that's fine, they sent you over to the philosophy department. And then you had an interview with this professor, Karl Britten. When I went in, I said to him, \"You should know that I went to medical school and I failed all the exams and got thrown out.\" And he said, \"Oh, you must be bright. Come in.\" Then we talked about English literature, and James Joyce, and whatever, philosophy, for an hour and he said, \"Welcome to the university.\" So, I got to go back and do a degree in philosophy and psychology. That was an immensely lucky— that was just an accident of time and place that I could do that at that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1144.91,1190.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And all of us who– were about maybe— It was tiny, there were maybe twelve people, maybe forty people in the whole three years of the department, thirty-five, forty, something like that. And all of us had that kind of a story. There were two or three, four, five people who were eighteen because the normal progression in England is eighteen to twenty-one bachelor's degree because then twenty-one to twenty-four Ph.D., you're done, you're out. That's it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1191.51,1220.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We were all these anomalies who were coming back in our early twenties and there were a few folks who were eighteen, but most of us had somehow fallen afoul of the system and been fished out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1222.3,1230.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you find any interesting group of people because of that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1230.98,1233.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: It was a great group of people, plus, it wasn't only a great group of people, it was 1966 [laughs]. My three years of degree were spent on the streets and occupying residence halls and I sang in a rock and roll band and, you know, sex, drugs and rock and roll. That was really the changing point. That's what really changed my life and my perspective and what was possible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1233.34,1262.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Had you had a career goal after college, after university? Did you know what you were going to do with it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1262.58,1270.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Oh no. No. I mean, if you do something— at that point in England, if you go to university and you do something like medicine or law, you obviously have a career goal, but otherwise, you read a subject.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1270.02,1283.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It doesn't have anything to do with a career goal. You just read that subject for three years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1283.83,1290.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you yourself think, Oh, I want to do this. I want to teach. I want to do this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1290.34,1293.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: No, no. No. I was having a great time. No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1293.56,1296.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1296.02,1296.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: I thought of myself— I like singing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1296.1,1299.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was your band like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1299.94,1301.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: I was in two bands. One was called Axis and one was called Steam Coffin. We wrote our own music. We did a little bit of— first band we did more of other people's music. Second band we wrote our own music.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1301.94,1314.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you play an instrument?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1315.19,1316.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: No, I sang. Yeah. And there was— women weren't usually out front in bands at that time. We weren't role models if one wanted to think of it that way. But we had a lot of fun, bumming up and down the motorway in old beater vans, lying on top of amplifiers, playing concerts. My only claim to fame is somebody once came up to me in the street in London and asked my autograph. That's my only claim to fame for that era because they'd seen me at some university club or whatever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1316.98,1351.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: At this time of your life were you exploring your sexuality?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1351.98,1355.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: At this time in my life I was determinedly heterosexual. And actually happily heterosexual. Not so sure about happy in terms of relationships, but happy in terms of the sex, so yeah. I guess I did start exploring relationships and sexuality in a way because, you know, this is the late ‘60s, early ‘70s. I didn't come here till '72, went back home, came back '74. I'm not sure what it was like as much here, but in England it was definitely free love, free sex. We're all really bisexual, so you have sex with different people. Mick Jagger's jumping in bed with David Bowie. Whatever, you know? It's all very, very open. In that sense I was. I tried things like a threesome relationship. I didn't have a fixed view of my sexuality, but I still thought of myself as heterosexual. Does that make sense?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1355.71,1418.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1418.2,1418.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And how old were you at this time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1418.46,1420.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: So, 1970 I would be twenty-six.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1420.62,1423.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1423.42,1423.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I left university in '69. Yeah, three years to get a degree, I'd be twenty-six.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1423.7,1431.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So you did that till around 1970—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1431.33,1436.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: I left university in '69 and then for a year, I got a job as a— because I needed to make money. I was still singing in the band but I needed to make money. I got a job as a— I did a certification in occupational psychology and got a job as a psychologist in a rehab unit for a year, basically assessing folks who had been injured on the job, or sometimes— it was mostly people who had physical injuries. Sometimes people had had emotional psychological mental difficulties, whatever. But the government had this series of centers that they could go to and get some assessment and qualify for some paid training to do something else because they couldn't do what they had been doing. Mostly working class or lower middle class folks. I worked at that for a year and then I got a job teaching at a college in London, teaching social psychology, at a college in London, what was then Enfield College of Technology.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1436.27,1502.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's now Middlesex Polytechnic. I taught there for two years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1502.68,1507.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And how was living in London for you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1508.4,1510.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: It was great. London's a great city. I really liked that. This little technology college was actually kind of a hotbed of radicalism and innovation in terms of teaching. I was part of a group that established what we would now call a learning community. Even then in England, we would be— technical colleges were established to serve populations who didn't get to go to university, but maybe wanted a college degree. So, at the college I was at they could do a bachelor's degree, or they could do a technical kind of qualification, which we would think of in England then as technical like a business certification, marketing degree, that kind of thing. But even if they did a business degree, they'd have to do two years of liberal education, psychology, philosophy, sociology, et cetera.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1511.18,1575.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so, with that community we established a learning community where people did all of those subjects together and we cross-taught.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1576.56,1589.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that, for example, I would do the lecturing in the psychology part of it, but then would host the seminars in philosophy, or sociology, and we worked together to do that. We kind of crossed taught and observed each other and the folks moved through as a cohort and did different subjects together. It was a very early learning community. Very radical for British education at the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1589.85,1612.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Were you reading of the early feminist writings?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1612.3,1615.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: I was reading early feminist writings. That period, I think, definitely by the time I moved to London, that period from the first stirrings in '68, '69, and the disillusionment with the New Left and all of those organizations that we were part of. And then, particularly when I moved to London, yes, I started reading different stuff. De Beauvoir—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1615.68,1641.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you remember what—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1641.53,1643.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Oh, I read Germaine Greer, of course. For me that was a conflicted time. I was really— it was conflicted because, for me, even though I got it and it was like, oh, it was this lifeline, in a way, to have words put to my experience. Most of the women in England who were writing within the earliest feminist literature were upper class. And I identified very, very clearly as a working class kid. I knew what that had meant to me all through my life and I thought class was more important and more salient so it was conflictive. And I think it was the move to the United States that helped me to make that true jump into feminism because all of a sudden, those constraints didn't apply to me anymore. What most amazed me when I came to the United States was that people listened to my voice. I couldn't believe it. If I talk in England, I mean, women's voices still have less power in the conversation anyway, but, okay, I'm not— Oh yeah, working class educated, whatever, let's see. Here, people behave like you're the fricking queen or something. It's really hilarious. I couldn't figure out what was going on. I would say things and everybody would go, \"Oh.\" –like, \"What? What? What? What happened?\" That was really neat and different.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1643.11,1742.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I would still call myself a working class person who has now became part of the professional classes. That was still what I would call myself. I never lost that class identity, but it could move to the side and I could think of other things and that's when I really got into feminism and the women's movement is when I came here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1745.96,1762.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because I came here— the college I was teaching at in London had a relationship with the U of O. And in fact, the year before I started teaching there, Joan Acker had just left, after a year of teaching in the same college, as a visiting scholar. When I came here, I realized, \"Oh, the educational system is different. I could do something— an entire different degree here. That's okay.\" So I applied to the graduate program in the Sociology Department and got accepted.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1763.54,1798.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then worked with Joan, actually, for most of my graduate career. That was like a jump into a totally different world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1798.66,1808.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How did Joan Acker influence your studies and your thinking?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1808.52,1813.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: How did Joan Acker— well, when I first met Joan, I was put off by her in the same way as I was put off by many Americans because I felt that everyone was very rude. Very sort of rude, pushy, talked about themselves, strange, strange, strange culture. But then when I came in the fall and applied for the university and enrolled in the winter of '73, I guess, and then I got to know Joan better and she invited me, did I want a graduate research position with, what was then, the Center for the Study of Women and Society [Center for the Sociological Study of Women] over on the sixth floor at PLC with a— you got this tiny little percentage and your tuition forgiven, a fee.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1813.23,1871.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then I started to work more closely with Joan and so— I think that Joan was probably one of the most important people in my thinking. Not because we always agreed, but because she was a person with whom I think I had the best intellectual discussions. I was her— as well as having that research position, I was her GTF for classes. We got on from the start because she realized I taught in Enfield, she taught in Enfield. She was twenty years older than me, but we were like bosom buddies from the beginning. She would invite me to— I wasn't just grading, she'd invite me to give lectures.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1872.74,1922.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She treated me as someone who had enormous potential in social theory and that made a big impact for a young woman who'd been thrown out of university.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1923.83,1939.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So yes, we disagreed. We disagreed on different things but we did research together and wrote together, and yeah, she was pretty influential, as were— those first couple of years at the U of O in the Sociology Department were very formative years because, well, you would know, that the educational system here was undergoing the same thing as I had left in England. Students were wanting to take over the classes, direct the curriculum. For those first couple of years of the Ph.D. program here, instead of having a set curriculum, you had to take statistics, but instead of that, we did seminars where we designed the curriculum ourselves with professors who were compatible with that. It was Joan and two or three other folks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1940.44,1990.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Don Van Houten, Dave Wellman, who was there at the time and is now in California. So, different people. We designed seminars for ourselves where we basically read a lot of social theory and had long, long, I'm sure totally boring, but to us fascinating, discussions about it. And it was a very diverse and eclectic group who was in that program. So, as well as Joan being foundational, that experience was very foundational in a shift in my thinking.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=1990.2,2020.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Were you reading American feminist theory at the time—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2020.22,2024.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Yes. Yes. Yes. I think— yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2024.34,2028.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And then what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2028.96,2030.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: And then what? And then what? And then I was still with a male partner at that point and we had a child and I went back to England in '74 to have my daughter because I didn't want to have the kind of birth they have here. I wanted a midwife birth. And stayed there for six months and then came back and resumed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2030.67,2050.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So you're parenting while you're going to graduate school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2050.72,2055.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, my partner, David, decided he needed to be in love with a student in his class and left, and so I was a single mum trying to finish graduate school. And there's an opportunity to teach women's studies at LCC, so I applied for that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2055.33,2078.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I eventually, I got that and I—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2078.81,2081.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you tell me about your first classes— your women’s studies classes?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2081.73,2086.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Okay, yeah. I'll tell you in just a sec. I was just going to say I left the program with a master's degree and didn't go on for my Ph.D. and did Women’s Studies at LCC. Well, I got that job in '76 and it was LCC— I don't know if you know this history, but they had— the year earlier they had abolished women's studies. They got rid of ethnic studies and women's studies. They’d appointed a couple of folks from the Women's Center to teach a women's studies class and all the students worked up and walked out because they said they weren't qualified. There was student pressure, there was demonstrations, and kind of I knew that history from being at the U and seeing what was happening.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2086.51,2132.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then they opened the position again. It was part-time, couple of classes a term, that kind of thing, and I got it. The first time I walked on campus, I was met with a student committee who wanted to interview me to make sure I was a feminist, make sure I actually knew what I was talking about. I passed their muster so that was okay. And then I was also met with TV cameras because, here we are, the college has abolished women's studies and now you're hired again, and what is this like? And then Women's Studies was lodged within a larger Social Science Department and none of the guys there wanted it. So, nobody would speak to me, except a couple of people. That was what my first experience was, but my experience of teaching was fabulous because it was the ‘70s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2134.0,2185.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We thought we were making the revolution together and we were getting new texts and doing seminars. I'd have seminars with students in people's homes that were unofficial and teach things in the community with folks. It was a very, very exciting time and a very, apart from students falling in love with you all the time because that happens to women's studies professors particularly in the ‘70s. I don't know whether it still happens now, but in the ‘70s and ‘80s it happened a lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2187.79,2216.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Apart from that, which could get dicey, it was just an extraordinarily exciting and innovative, and you felt you were making some kind of history by teaching and working with students, and changing consciousness, and watching people open and develop in that way. It was just extraordinarily rewarding.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2216.97,2239.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I still meet people who say, \"I was in your women's studies class in 1979,\" or whatever. It was pretty great. It was pretty great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2240.49,2252.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And you were the only one teaching.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2252.84,2254.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: I was the only one teaching, yes, and so I developed the curriculum beyond intro to women's studies to some other classes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2254.66,2261.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: That takes a certain courage and heartiness to be the only one there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2261.87,2265.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Yeah. I did have support. I had support from my students and I did have support in the Women's Center. Lane had a Women's Center since— oh, that was started maybe '73, '74, '73 maybe. It'd been there about three years when I was hired. And so, that was like my base of support at the college and there was a group of feminist women at the college who worked there. Not necessarily faculty, more likely folks who were one of the administration and a couple in financial aid, and we formed a network across the campus to support each other. Julie Aspinwall asked me to be a part of that network. I don't know if you know Julie. She was one of the founders of Womenspace, but she worked at Lane. So, there were women who were active in— I mean, I thought of them in my rather arrogant revolutionary way, and I thought of them as liberal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2265.85,2325.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, Women's Political Caucus, NOW, yeah, it's okay, but not really very radical. But that network of women in the Women's Center, I don't think I could've continued at Lane without that because we were our own impetus and they supported my classes and I supported them, and supported keeping the Women's Center there, and we all supported women students. So there was that network was really foundational to making it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2325.56,2353.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What were the titles of the classes you taught?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2353.81,2356.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: I taught Intro to Women's Studies. I taught Sociology of Women Work, and I taught a class called Women's Bodies for Themselves, basically about sexual reproductive rights. And then I taught some independent studies, seminar kinds of things. Barbara Pope and I used to joke about who was the poorest paid when we were both the only women's studies instructors. She'd call me up, said, \"I just made it to 11,000 a year.\" \"I'm still on 10.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2356.55,2387.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: That's Barbara Pope who taught history and Women’s and Gender Studies at the University of Oregon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2387.62,2394.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Yeah, that's right. That Barbara Pope, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2394.27,2396.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: This is clarifying. For the record.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2396.26,2399.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Yes, for the record. The great thing for me though, also, was I kept my connection with Joan. Even though I'd left the university, I did some research and writing with Joan and another graduate student there. And so, I sort of kept a little toe hold over here in what people think of the more intellectual community there. But I absolutely fell in love with working at community college because it was the exact opposite of the educational system I had come through. Because it's the people's college, you know? You take whoever is there and you helped them move to wherever they wanted to be and it's open. It's closing a little now because of budget constraints, but it was such a very, very different experience. You could feel you were actually part of change, as well, just by being at the college itself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2399.84,2452.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you say something about who your students were and the challenges that they had when they came to your classes?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2453.22,2458.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: They were very, very diverse. They tended to skew older, so you'd have some students coming in, younger students who had actually either come to the university and found they were foundering in a big institution or they'd taken a year off or so after high school and then wanted to go back to university. Some folks would be younger and on the first two years of a bachelor degree track. Other people were older of all different kinds of people because we had open admission. We had people who were trying to— women coming back to school in mid-life after divorce or whatever. We had what were then thought of as “welfare moms” because you could actually be allowed to go to school in the 70s if you also got public assistance. We had folks who were English was a second language.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2458.28,2520.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So a huge spectrum of ability. In one class, I might have somebody who was taking a degree at the university and decided to do women's studies over at Lane because they needed that to complete and classes at the U were full, well, they thought they'd come over here, to somebody who was struggling with English and literacy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2520.98,2544.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so it was really— for me, it was amazing because it forced me to develop my teaching to a way where I could reach everybody on that spectrum in some way. I experimented with a lot of different things. I experimented with not grading. You simply do this work and if you do this much work, you get an A. If you do this— so the people who had a different level of literacy skills could at least get a passing grade. I experimented with collaborative grade. I mean, I did a lot of different things. People could get credit by doing projects in the community or doing presentations, or whatever. I just tried to have a lot of diversity in the assessment and the teaching style.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2544.68,2602.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was a real challenge, but it was also incredibly rewarding to have a group of people— they might not always agree with you, which is great, but you could see them moving. 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That was in 1980— we wrote the grant in 1984.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2622.92,2630.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, we established it in 1985. And by that time, by the early ‘80s I'd started to work with the Women's Center more directly, as well as teach, and I continued doing that, combining those two things until about 1993 or four, I think, and then I stopped teaching and did Women's Program full-time. But at that point there were a series— there was federal money from something called the, interestingly enough, Carl Perkins Act. Not singer Carl Perkins, Congressman Carl Perkins. And it was directed towards single mothers and what were called displaced homemakers, at that point, to go back to school. It was at the middle of a period where there's rising divorce rates, lot of single mothers, older women needing an education, needing to move back into the workforce, and Congress actually recognized that, to some degree, amazingly, and dedicated a stream of funds towards programs that would address those circumstances.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2630.9,2695.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so, a group of community colleges in Oregon who got grants to do programs like Women in Transition. It was initially called Transitions to Success and then we changed it to Women in Transition. So yes, we established that in 1985 and then expanded it into a learning community so that women could take the core transitions classes and also add on some beginning English or some math, or some study skills, so they could bolster their credentials and move to whatever the next step was that they needed to move to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2695.92,2730.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: That's an amazing program. What did women— what kind of skills did women come out with and what were they able to do with them after completing the program.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2730.22,2738.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: I think the biggest thing that women— well, they came out with a career goal and a plan. That was— because here are folks, some of them weren't initially qualifying for financial aid and we were helping them to qualify for financial aid. In the first few years of that grant program, we had money to help with childcare. We had money to help with bus passes and transportation. So we could remove some barriers so women could get some credit under their feet so then they could show they could get financial aid, they could enter a program, whatever. There had to be an ability to articulate what your next steps are at the end of the term that they were in the program, whether that was a very specific, \"I'm going to go into a particular career program. I'm going to take classes and go to the university,\" or it was just, \"Here are my steps to go back and get a job. Here are my steps to move out of this abusive situation and become independent.\" That goal could be— it was a life goal as well as a career goal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2738.73,2804.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I think the biggest thing they came out of was the recognition that these women, they were powerful and independent and they were okay. They could make their own decisions because we formulated it very much as a program with and for women and it was a place where they could re-examine their lives, think about the steps they'd taken to get themselves to wherever they were, and make a plan to move to wherever they needed to go next. But it was a lot about personal transformation, not in that fake individualistic way, but connection with other women. For many of them, it was the first time they'd ever sat in a group of all women and talked about their lives. It could be quite fundamentally consciousness-raising. We thought of it very consciously as a feminist program and most of the programs in Oregon did think of themselves as feminist.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2804.89,2867.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And it's not just academic, but there's a psychological component to it which your studies in psychology prepared you for.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2867.39,2873.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Right. Yes. Yes, that's true. And also feminism prepared me for intensive consciousness-raising and connection. And because it was a diverse group of women, there were women who had been upper middle class suddenly down to poverty because husband leaves and then they don't have anything. And there were women who were on welfare, women coming out of prison, women— and they were just put in together and start exploring what do we need to do next.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2873.85,2907.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Did you know Sonja Foss [Hazel Foss]? She started the Widowed Services/Displaced Homemaker program at U.O.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2907.33,2915.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Yes, I know. That was a different set of money and a little bit earlier. Yes. Yes, I did know her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2915.82,2924.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So your work put you in touch with a lot of non-profit agencies, like Womenspace—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2924.1,2929.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Oh yes, it did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2929.12,2930.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: —domestic violence, SASS—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2930.17,2931.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Yeah. Sponsors. We worked with those and I was on the Domestic Violence Council, Womenspace, and yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2931.88,2937.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did the women who ran these different— or were on the boards of these different agencies, did that comprise a community for you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2938.87,2945.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Well, in some ways it did. In some ways it did. I mean, I'm still friends with Evelyn Anderton, for example. We're in a book group together. So yes, there are women who were feminists and on those boards who did provide a community, but also, I still have connections with the university, with Joan and Sandi Morgen, and folks like that, and I had other friends. I decided— When did I— At some point, during all of this, I decided I wanted to sing again and so I did two things. One thing was, about twenty-five years ago, I joined Soromundi. And the other things was, with another totally different group of women I knew, I joined this performance group called the Radar Angels, where we did song and dance and vaudeville kinds of stuff. Those were two very different experiences. I had a lot of different friends in the community and I had ex-students who were friends. Because, especially in the 70s, there was that feeling of— which I'm not sure was such a great idea as I look back on it now, but there's that erasure of the distinction between the professor's not an authority figure with the students, we're with this learning together and especially doing stuff outside of class I formed some lifelong friendships from that group, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=2947.04,3043.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What's your hesitation and criticism now looking back at that blurring of the boundaries?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3044.4,3050.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Because I think it's ripe for exploitation, actually, of the student and taking advantage of— because irrespective of your attempt to erase those differences, the students are still looking at you as some kind of authority. You have more power in the relationship whether you acknowledge it, or want it or not. I think there can be some blurring of boundaries and some vulnerabilities there that we weren't conscious of, is what I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3050.6,3091.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And maybe some erasure of your expertise because I hear this long history of your studies and what you brought to the classroom.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3091.28,3099.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Well, that didn't really bother me. No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3099.22,3105.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: —that's me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3105.05,3106.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: No, I think in some ways— not later in life when we were friends, but at that stage there was still— the boundaries were supposed to be erased but there was still an acknowledgement to the expertise.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3106.24,3125.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's where I think it can get kind of murky and difficult.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3126.02,3130.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Especially when you joined Soromundi— We've heard lots of people who came to Eugene in a VW bus and they found a way to— Soromundi was just a different story than yours and so what was your perception of the lesbian community in Eugene which was quite vibrant at the time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3131.41,3147.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Right, right. Well, when I first came to Eugene, I was still defining myself as a heterosexual woman, but I had friends in the lesbian community, and did political stuff with women in the lesbian community, and went to the Riv Room long before I've decided to come out and be a lesbian, I was at Riv Room dancing and— Sally Sheklow was in my class, for God's sake, and I knew lots of folks in Starflower and Mother Kali's feminist bookstore, lesbian bookstore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3147.61,3181.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Center of the community with Izzie. And Izzie and I were friends.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3182.41,3186.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Izzie Harbaugh?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3186.29,3186.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Yeah, yeah. I'm just going to say Lorraine and I were— I think Lorraine and I are friends. Lorraine Ironplow. We've had some interesting run-ins over the years, but we respect each other. So I had lots of connections within the lesbian community, even though I was still defining myself as straight. And then, those were also the years towards the end of the ‘70s, beginning of the ‘80s, when you'd go to women's studies conferences and the lesbians would line up on one side and straight women would be on the other side, and then there'd be those of us in the middle going “But, but, you know—“ Anyway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3186.92,3225.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, my perceptions of the lesbian community were that it was very strong, very vibrant. I had lots of good women friends within that community who said, \"Come on, what are you doing? You're crazy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3227.61,3241.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Why are you straight? What's wrong with you?\" Anyway—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3241.82,3243.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you find that encouraging or judgmental, or both?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3244.08,3249.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: I find it both, I think. Not so much judgmental from the women I knew in Eugene because for whatever reason I had feminist cred.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3249.91,3259.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"For whatever reason, I didn't find anybody— they would joke with me and sort of say, \"Hey, come over to our side. What's wrong with you, Kate?\" The judgmental part of it I found on the academic side in terms of conferences and then—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3259.56,3277.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Judgmental of you not identifying as a lesbian at the conferences—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3277.45,3281.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. You couldn't be a feminist. If you were with men, you couldn't be a feminist. That was not something I met in my immediate community in Eugene, although there would be questioning about— \"So, why are you with guys?\" You know? But very much so in the academic community. Very much so, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3281.55,3305.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then I started, of course, to question it myself because, you know, right? I had lousy relationships with men, maybe great sex in the early days, but lousy relationships. All my friendships are with women. All my primary relationships are with women. So now what am I doing here? Because I went through a kind of a period of self-examination. For a while I defined myself as bi- sexual. And then I fell in love with a woman friend, so then I came out as a lesbian. And that was about— I have to think of how old my daughter is so I can remember when that was. She was eight, so that's about '83. '82, '83.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3306.74,3347.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. And how did that change your experience in community if you identified yourself and had a partner?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3348.48,3355.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: I think it radically shifted it, really. Because particularly, in a group like Soromundi, at that point at least, you were not really accepted unless you're a lesbian. Now when I joined Soromundi I was already in the questioning, hmm, what am I doing, maybe I'm bi- sexual, maybe I am a lesbian, am I a lesbian? kind of phase. But it was very much a community that saw itself as a particular definition of lesbianism and therefore the music had to have a particular definition and every action had to have a particular definition. By the time I joined Soromundi, Karm had already left the year before, but I knew all about that conflict because I was part of the women's community. In some ways I didn't feel any different because I was part of the women's community to begin with. But in other ways I did because my relationships deepened and my circle shifted. In other ways there's a lot of change.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3355.59,3431.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: During the period of self-reflection when you were thinking this through, were you anxious? Was it a difficult time? Did you have internalized homophobia?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3431.66,3443.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Well, I don't think— Right, yes. Yeah. No, I don't know that I was anxious in that way. I'm not sure anxious is the right way to describe it. I was concerned about being true to myself, what really was going on and was I— I did not want to enter into relationships with women as a kind of experiment. And I did try that a couple of times, sleep with a couple of people but maybe this isn't for me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3443.24,3475.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I thought, no, no, no, no, no. I have to really— but then, when you fall in love all of that goes out the window.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3475.29,3480.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Raising your daughter in a— now you're in a lesbian relationship and she's eight or nine. Anything in the schools? How did you deal with teachers? What was the—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3482.22,3492.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Not so much with teachers, but she experienced a lot of issues, particularly in middle school, having a lesbian parent. Not so much in elementary school because it was— she was in an alternative school. There was some acceptance. But when she went to Roosevelt, she would try to hide the fact that I was a lesbian. We just actually talked about this the other day because I have a fourteen-year-old granddaughter who just graduated from middle school, and we're just talking about talking about the difference.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3493.12,3526.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"For Sophie, it's like, \"Oh yeah, that person's genderqueer. Oh yeah, they're a girl now, you know.\" \"Oh, well, Julia is now Keith, but I really like Julia's clothes. I hope she's going to stay Keith. Maybe she'll give me her clothes.\" It's just like— it’s just so normal. And that maybe very specific to Eugene culture and— because I know—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3527.49,3551.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: South Eugene [High School].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3551.38,3552.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Yeah, and South Eugene. Very, very specific. But Anna and I were just talking about how immensely different that experience is from her experiences of being a school student and my granddaughter's experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3552.26,3563.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And was the visibility of you being lesbian because she now had two mothers?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3563.91,3569.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Well, she had— there was a visibility of being lesbian because I was out. She was being— I'm out and I was single for part of the time she was in middle school. I was with a partner for part of the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3569.7,3583.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, part of it was, yes, two mothers. I'm not sure we defined ourselves as two mothers, but certainly two women living together and I had a daughter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3583.48,3591.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And the only way they'd know that at school is if you came to concerts or—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3592.47,3595.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: And friends came home. And kids talk. I mean, friend comes home, kids talk, and that's that. So that was a difficult time for her, less so in high school I think, but middle school was a very, very difficult time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3595.6,3610.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: This was also the time of the number of the anti-gay measures in Oregon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3610.21,3618.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Mabon and the OCA, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3618.42,3619.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was your experience of that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3619.53,3620.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: I worked on those campaigns and campaigned against Measure 9 and, yeah, that was— you know, the interesting thing— Harriet Merrick and I are good friends and we talk about this a lot. The interesting thing about Lon Mabon is that I think that actually made it possible for people to come out and for everybody to realize, \"Oh, my next door neighbor's gay and I kind of like her.\" In some ways— I mean, it was a horrible time. The level of bigotry at the time was awful, but in some ways, it made visibility possible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3620.62,3658.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because you had to be visible. You had to fight it. You had to be out there. And so, you would come out to people who otherwise would not have known. I mean, I wasn't— at that point I wasn't fully out at Lane because it wasn't safe to be so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3658.91,3676.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you talk about that a little bit?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3676.9,3678.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Yeah. It was safe to be out with certain people, obviously women that you networked with across campus and some faculty, but other sections of the institution, it was not safe to be out. You just didn't talk about your private life with those people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3678.13,3704.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And your colleagues and your mentors here are Joan and Sandi and Barbara, they're in a different situation from you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3704.51,3711.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Yes. Yes, exactly. Exactly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3711.27,3711.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Yeah, so the models that you had for that, you had to forge something different.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3711.57,3716.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Right. Exactly, yes. The folks who were lesbian and gay, lesser extent gay guys, but lesbians at Lane, we knew each other and we formed a support group for each other, and the women and some men who were feminists formed a support group and supported us, but no way sort of— it's funny at one point after I'd stopped teaching and moved into administration and was doing the Women's Program and then did other things at Lane, there was a manager's diversity training and it was one of those trainings where everybody stand up if you're— whatever, you know? And this lovely woman in the Health Service next to me said, \"When will they say everybody who's gay and lesbian stand up. Kate, I'll stand up with you.\" I said, \"Well, you'd be by yourself standing if you're going to stand up in this group.\" Because I knew there were people who were really homophobic in that group, and it was hard enough to have a vibrant Women's Program and have classes and programs for women only and defend against, well why aren't you admitting men and isn't this illegal? It was hard enough without having to counteract their direct homophobia on the job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3716.6,3802.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So you felt it would threaten your program?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3802.34,3805.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: I felt it would. I felt they would treat me differently and the reality is they probably thought I was a lesbian anyway. They thought I was a lesbian when I was straight, so it didn't matter. But I wasn't going to necessarily out myself in a professional way if I thought it might be harmful to what I was doing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3805.14,3823.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And did you find that Measure 9 or the ones that came before and after that forced your hand?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3824.52,3830.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: They did a little bit. I think they did a little bit because I'd walk around with my No on 9 button on and have conversations with people that I perhaps would not have had conversations with. You could see, “Oh, I didn't think you were gay. Oh.” You could see the wheels turning, so in that way, yes. Yes, it did force my hand a little bit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3830.11,3853.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you find yourself— you kind of paint this picture of there being the academic lesbians and the community lesbians and that there was some more acceptance about your identity in the community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3853.21,3867.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Well, certainly for me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3867.93,3868.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Yeah. Did you ever feel any in the community— people in the community being put off by your academic work or identity?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3868.91,3882.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: No. No, I didn't feel that. I think it might have been because some folks in the community had been in classes with me, so we kind of knew each other. So I did not actually find that a barrier.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3882.91,3900.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sometimes I did, but sometimes I'd get— Because when you taught women's studies in those days, you were sort of looked at as kind of— it's ridiculous to think about it now, but you were sort of this feminist goddess-type person. It was like, \"Oh, women's studies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3901.84,3918.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, you changed my life.\" I'm not meaning to put that down because that was a real feeling. So sometimes I'd get a little bit of an \"Oh!\" reaction.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3918.94,3927.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So you're a little bit on a pedestal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3927.16,3929.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: A little bit on a pedestal, yeah, and that was not entirely comfortable and felt, for me, particularly weird, actually. But yeah, a little bit in those days.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3929.55,3939.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Yeah, yeah. So, now we're up to—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3939.59,3944.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Oh god, I don't know what we're up to now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3944.05,3945.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So, you're in administration, you're in Women in Transition, in the 90s, somewhere in the ‘90s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3944.8,3953.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: In the ‘90s, yeah. Yeah, in the ‘90s I'm doing that and then I started to combine that with some different kind of experiences, administrative experiences at Lane, mainly because I was asked to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3953.69,3965.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mary Spilde came to Lane and she and I got to be friends and she'd say, \"Would you take that department for a year?\" And I'd say, \"Yeah, okay.\" And so then I sort of ended my career at Lane— I just really felt I had developed the Women's Program as much as it could be. We had a Women's Center, we had Women in Transition, we had a program for women in non-traditional jobs, we had a program for Spanish-speaking women and Latina women entering the college, we had young women in science programs. It was really mainstreamed and accepted and when I started it was like a closet, two people. And I did not do that. A whole group of women did that. I felt like I had accomplished everything I could accomplish and I might want to do something different at the college. I actually ended up being in the role of Associate Vice- President for Student Affairs, and that's how I ended my career there the last three years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=3966.13,4029.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And as well as doing that, I had— part of my work at Lane had been to combat sexual harassment and discrimination. I chaired the committee way back in the days when we didn't talk about these things on sexual harassment and we came forward with the policy for the college and had to put up with a lot of negativity and— \"This is like Nazism. You're laying down rules for our behavior.\" \"Well, yeah, we are.\" We developed from that stage to, when I was working with the Women's Center, I was an advocate for women who were experiencing harassment and then when I moved into administration, our affirmative action director had some liabilities, so Mary asked me if I would do the internal part of affirmative action as well as the Women's Program, and he would do the relationships with external agencies. I worked with HR and the college attorney and did all of the policies around different forms of discrimination and harassment, and watched over complaints, and made sure people were getting access to processes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=4029.53,4104.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we were able to do actually quite a lot. We were able to put gender identity, not just sexual orientation, but gender identity into complaint processes at the college, long before it was in the state, or in the city. I felt that was good work in an administrative capacity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=4105.07,4128.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: When did you retire?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=4128.61,4129.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: I retired in— let me think about it. I retired in 2010 and actually— so before that I had decided— Joan— I stayed working somewhat with the university. I did some seminars with visiting feminist scholars, Joanie would always say, \"Come on, come on over here and do this.\" Then I worked with Joan and Sandi when they did the welfare reform project here. I worked with that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=4129.42,4159.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you ever work with Cheris Kramarae?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=4160.22,4163.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I worked with Cheris, yeah. Joan was always kind of poking at me, \"Why did you never do a dissertation?\" I said, \"No, I'm fine. I think I have done really good work at the community college. Stop being such a snob. Not everybody has to be at the university.\" And then when I was approaching sixty— this is when I thought I needed to shake my life up a bit, and I thought, \"Well, maybe I kind of do want a graduate degree.\" So, OSU had a program where you could work and do a Ph.D. I applied to that and got accepted.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=4163.41,4205.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Ph.D. in?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=4205.19,4205.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Education.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=4205.96,4206.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: In education.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=4206.73,4207.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: There's no point now in trying to go back and do sociology and women studies. What has your life work been in? It's been in education. I worked and did a Ph.D. in education at OSU. I actually did my dissertation on women on welfare who were trying to return to school. It was in my heart, so that was good. When I retired in 2010, I finished the course work, but Mary had kind of tapped me for this Associate Vice-President role. So the dissertation went on one side, so I still— so when I retired in 2010 I did the research and wrote it up and completed it. That was kind of fun. So I got a Ph.D. when I was sixty-eight. It was kind of cool. I was in line with all of these young people. They said, \"So—\" They'd look at the robe, \"So, what did you— graduate in?\" I'd tell them I just got my dissertation and they'd be floored. But it was cool because it was the year Michelle Obama spoke at the graduation. That was pretty cool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=4207.86,4278.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anyway, I sort of did that and then I went back to work at Lane for a year, in 2012 because our vice-president left to get a presidency and Mary didn't have anybody to fill her role, so she asked me if I'd come back and with the other associate vice-presidents, if we could do those roles and the VP role while she organized that, basically.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=4278.43,4301.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then I finally retired in 2013.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=4302.96,4304.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And what are you doing now that you're— in the last six years?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=4304.49,4309.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: What am I doing now? Well, I spend quite a bit of time on Soromundi. I'm on their board, but I'm president of their board right now. So— Because Soromundi is— well, I know you've interviewed Karm and Lisa I think, so you know quite a bit about the chorus. We have, on average, about ninety women, ninety- ninety-five women. And we're a non-profit and we don't have any staff, so the board does all the work of the chorus. Grant writing and organizing the concerts. Lisa does the musical direction and we do the rest. Being board president, I organized the concerts for about three years when I was first on the board and now I'm board president, there's quite a bit of work. We're having some very interesting membership discussions. You know about that, disputes at the moment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=4309.38,4360.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you describe it because it's very interesting?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=4360.11,4362.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Oh yeah. Yeah, well, you know what I think is— I want to start by— because I don't know whether they talked about this. What is unique, I think, about Soromundi is we're about to enter our thirtieth year. And I think we are the remaining lesbian institution in Eugene. Because we used to have lesbian coffee shop, lesbian bar. I would call Mother K's a lesbian bookstore, not just a feminist bookstore. We had Wallflower, we had a dance troupe, we had Starflower. We had all of these institutions in the community and they've all gone or been transmuted into other things. And Soromundi is still Soromundi Lesbian Chorus and I think that's quite amazing that we've endured.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=4362.81,4407.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But, we've spent the past year and a half doing what lots of choruses are doing around the country who are lesbian/gay choruses: talking about membership. Mainly because we're challenged by— I don't mean that in a negative way— younger members who identify differently, and who identify as non-binary, who identify as genderqueer, who think the labels of lesbian and gay are old labels, and we have voices in the community of folks feeling like, \"Well, I kind of don't want to join Soromundi because it's a lesbian chorus.\" So, we have very clearly in our guidelines that membership is open to anyone who identifies as a women. We've always been known for— we have several straight women in the choir, women who identify as bi-sexual. We’ve had trans women in the chorus. But this is kind of a newer development focusing on not having a particular binary identity of any kind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=4407.55,4471.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's been a very interesting process and we're still in it. We have decided we are going to remain Soromundi Lesbian Chorus of Eugene, so long as there's a discriminatory intent of practice attached to the word lesbian. I mean, only a year ago a church refused to have us sing, so that has not gone from the community and part of our power, I think, are ninety women singing together under the banner of a lesbian chorus. We don't care how you identify, but you have to be okay singing under this banner of a lesbian chorus. We're not going to abandon that. We've talked through that with membership and the board and we're there. And for now we've kept who identifies as a woman. And then we have to figure out how to be inclusive. So that's our membership definition and struggle this year, is how do we remain a lesbian chorus, self-identified women, and include here's this bunch of folks who say they're non-binary. They've come into the chorus, we say, \"Welcome.\" And then we have to think about, \"But we don't feel included in your membership definition.\" We have gone through retreats, through exercises, the board is going to be discussing it again at our retreat in a couple weeks. We did things like we invited a chorus down from Portland to our winter retreat. They are an identified non-binary gender-fluid chorus. And that may be fifteen or twenty folks. They came down and we did a joint concert. But we also did kind of a working retreat about identification and experiences, which— they were terrified because they've had some negative experiences both with the gay men's chorus and the lesbian chorus, up in Portland. And so they thought they might meet a barrage of, \"Why are you claiming this identity?\" Or, \"You could never be part of this chorus—\" And that's not how it is for Soromundi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=4473.04,4605.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lots of people are accepting. They want to be inclusive, but we also have a core membership of what I think of as oldie goldie lesbians, and they're not all silver hairs like me. There are folks in their forties, or whatever. But for them, being a lesbian and singing as part of a lesbian chorus is very core and they have a lot of fear around if we broaden our definitions, the lesbian experience and identity will drop out of the picture. And you know that fear is real.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=4605.25,4642.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It is real because it's happened. It's happened in academic programs, it's happened in— it happened to my old Women's Program at Lane, where they got rid of it and made a Gender Equity Center and now women don't want to go in it. I understand that this happens.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=4642.68,4659.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At the same time, we want to— this lovely young person in front of me who told me they're non-binary is no threat to anybody. Come on in and sing. So we're just juggling the most controversial person in some ways, though I thought they were great. We had this year, this person who identifies as a lesbian and non-binary and he's clearly a trans man, becoming a woman but doesn't identify as a women yet, in the kind of in-between place, you know? But they joined Soromundi because they identify as a lesbian, but they're non-binary, and a couple of our members really feel like that's an appropriation of my identity. I'm fine if you come in, and say you're non-binary, and you're singing under this banner of a lesbian woman-identified chorus. That is great. But do not say you're a lesbian because you haven't had my experience, you haven't had my culture. So we have those kinds of fault lines that we're trying to negotiate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=4660.43,4727.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I have somebody in the chorus who has been— we have four different sections with a couple of groupings within each section, so we have eight part arrangements for a lot of the time and we have music section leaders for each section, and there's a section leader in the altos that I really want to come back as section leader because she's fabulous and she is seriously reconsidering her membership in Soromundi because she can't deal with this fault line. So it's very—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=4728.07,4757.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Because she identifies as a lesbian.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=4757.38,4758.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Yes. And she can take non-binary, but don't talk to me about non- binary and lesbian. Sorry. For her, that's too much of an assault on her own identity. And so, I'm still talking to her. I'm still trying to usher her along into next year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=4758.89,4775.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Well, it's fascinating work you do being in a leadership position, allowing these conversations to happen because they're very important and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=4775.8,4782.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: They are. They are very important and Lisa is very central in that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=4782.38,4787.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Very, very central. But you have to have those conversations happening because we can't— If we're going to continue to thrive and grow, we need to have those conversations and we need to have that inclusivity, but we still need to stay with our core identity, too. It will be very interesting to see how and if we're going to pull this off. But all choruses are struggling with it. People in all walks of life are struggling with it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=4787.72,4817.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: I think you're right that Soromundi is the only lesbian institution in Eugene.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=4817.19,4822.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: I think that's correct.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=4822.17,4826.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: —and there used to be so many.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=4826.36,4827.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Yeah. I think that's correct. There's an importance to that. There's a signal to that. But, you can't therefore— we have expanded and grown throughout the— When I first joined Soromundi, if you weren't a certain kind of lesbian and you didn't want to sing certain kinds of music, it's like we're not even going to talk to you. And now, we're very— really quite diverse in terms of membership and we do all kinds of music and that's great. It's the music that's important, but we do also think of ourselves as a social justice organization. We do. For us, it's the power of music to change people's lives, even if it's the first time, as it was when we got invited to the Oktoberfest at the fairgrounds last fall.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=4827.48,4870.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Who'd have thought that we were performing with— you know the Junction City Cloggers, and the Gleemen who invited us, bless their hearts, a couple of other— But this was not our usual audience. And we have Soromundi Lesbian Chorus of Eugene. And we had themes every year, so last year our theme was “Telling Our Story,” so we had some oldie goldie lesbian songs. We had Here Comes the Lesbians, was one of our songs. We sang this to these Junction City Cloggery audience, and at first they kind of looked at us and then they started to— couple of them got up and danced. I mean, it's great. Do you know what I'm saying? It's really great. So, we do think of ourselves as that kind of an organization as well as a chorus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=4870.48,4923.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: I wonder what you think about aging in Eugene in a lesbian community and what— thoughts about opportunities or concerns or—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=4923.99,4937.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Well, we do think about— in fact, I'm part of a group of women friends and I, we're all lesbian, one straight woman, we formed a group we call The Olders and we meet once a month for discussion. And it was just because we're all in our sixties and early seventies that we— oh, we have one outlier who isn't— is she sixty yet? We have one youngie. And this was actually the impetus of a woman who unfortunately died a year and a half ago now, Pat Vallerand who was an attorney in the community and part of supervising the Domestic Violence Council, et cetera. Anyway, she was also in the chorus and just said, \"Don't you think we should start talking about this stuff?\" About ten of us meet once a month.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=4938.36,5004.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We started off as a regular kind of going to read a book about aging and talk about it and now we're more just how is that manifesting in our lives?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=5005.1,5012.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"For us that has been really a great support group to be able to talk about aging in a real way and what does it mean to us, and what supports do we need and several people have had serious illnesses.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=5013.75,5028.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Last couple of years my partner was diagnosed with cancer. It's enabled us to form a support for each other. In terms of being in age— so that's just my own personal support and way of dealing with it. In terms of thinking about aging in this community, in some ways, of course, it's open and supportive because it's Eugene.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=5028.08,5056.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's resources in Eugene. There's openness in Eugene. But I find ageism all the time. I find it in these younger members of the chorus who say, \"Well, we're aging out.” What do you mean ‘we're aging out’? You mean nobody with silver hair can come to our concerts? What does this mean, ‘we're aging out’?” Have you looked at our audiences? They're quite demographically diverse.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=5057.73,5080.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anyway, or this sense of almost, particularly with millennials. I don't want to be targeting but I was having issues with this one person on the board and I thought, Oh, I should read about millennials, maybe that will help me. But definitely a sense of, okay, you're over fifty or whatever, therefore you're over here somewhere. You don't have new ideas or whatever. I've met that kind of attitude in younger lesbians, particularly through chorus connections because that's where I'm most often working with folks, rather than being friends with folks. I find that—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=5080.13,5123.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Have you or people in your circle thought about living in community or what's with assisted living? I mean, what's the place for lesbians in that stage?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=5124.22,5135.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Right, we've talked about it. I don't know how serious we are yet because I think all of us are still, despite all evidence to the contrary because we've all had to deal with aging parents. I supported Joan during the last three years of her life when she was in assisted living and memory care. So I've seen someone go from I'm about to go lecturing in Sweden to where all of a sudden I'm in an— I keep saying to Barb, my partner, about, \"You know, I think if Joanie could just have done this, this and this, she would have had a different outcome. I'm going to learn from this.\" And she'll say, \"No, you're not. You're just as stubborn. No, you're not.\" We have talked about it. We haven't made any serious plans, but we have talked about, you know, \"Maybe we should all just get a house, on the ground floor, living together and we can support each other. And maybe we should look at a supportive community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=5135.16,5191.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We can come down from our houses—\" And some folks have converted their houses into aging places. We've all thought about that. At one point in our Olders group, we thought, Well, let's do some tours of different senior living centers. And we all said, \"Oh no, let's not.\" We are both being realistic and non-realistic about it. I think we are all hoping to age in place and talking about how we might do that because the reality—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=5192.4,5224.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And in your separate families.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=5224.9,5227.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Yes. Yes. Or how we might do that together. Barb and I have a couple— well, we have several very close friends, but particular couple that we've talked about, well, maybe we should get condos next door to each other. And I have some friends who have actually done that, moved into the Friendly community and gotten apartments near each other so they can still have independent living, but be part of a more supportive community. So we've talked about that. None of us—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=5227.38,5255.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And the income disparity is going to show itself very clearly with the decisions that people make.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=5256.01,5261.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Exactly. Well, exactly. We're all privileged enough to be women who've had professions and therefore do have resources. And that's not true for many lesbians as they age. It is not true at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=5261.12,5278.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Differently to gay men. It's just not true. And there are not institutional settings that cater to that. I learned a lot. Assisting Joanie I learned a lot about the different kinds of— what’s the difference between the senior community and the assisted living and memory care, and what's available. And as we walked through all of that, I just said to her, \"How do you negotiate this?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=5279.64,5308.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And right now there's no training happening in these places at all?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=5308.39,5311.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: No. No, there isn't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=5311.35,5312.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: —around gay and lesbian—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=5312.76,5313.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: I think whatever we do we're going to have to do for ourselves, essentially. I think of it, I'm seventy-four, and I think, Okay, maybe I have ten years and then I'll have to really move down off the hill and do something different. We'll see.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=5313.83,5331.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Ten years to get things in place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=5331.59,5332.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Uh-huh [affirmative] [laughs]. But we talk about it. We talk about it a lot. We just haven't taken concrete steps because we have to create our own communities. They're not there for us. They're not there. But there's going to be enough of a demographic that systems are going to have to shift.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=5332.95,5348.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You're perfectly placed being a “woman in transition” for—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=5348.47,5352.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=5352.94,5353.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: —to think this through practically and theoretically and you could be a great leader in this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=5354.78,5358.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Uh-huh [affirmative]. Maybe, we'll see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=5358.96,5360.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Is there something in your life story that we haven't touched on that you'd really like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=5361.35,5366.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Let me think. I don't think so. One thing I worry about— well, I worry about a lot given the “orange person” in the White House, but one thing that I worry about is the disappearance of women and feminism from the dialogue, especially as we broaden things. It is so easy. I mean, women get forgotten all the time, and our history gets forgotten all the time, and our specific circumstances get forgotten all the time. I was at— when the southern states were enacting their ridiculous abortion laws and so-called fetal heartbeat, and there was a big rally at the courthouse, so I went to that. It was appropriately led by lots of young people. This is good, Kitty spoke, but— There was a big push, there was a trans person there and a big push to say we should not be— that it is discriminatory to look at the struggle against abortion as a fight against women because some of us are women and we don't have wombs, but we still have reproductive rights. This was a trans woman. We need to talk about reproductive rights and not as a focus on women. So when Kitty spoke, she corrected herself a couple of times and I have to grab her and tell her to stop doing that because I've known Kitty since the days of NARAL, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=5367.4,5473.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: This is Kitty Piercy, who was—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=5474.43,5475.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Kitty Piercy, yeah, ex-mayor of Eugene. Ex everything. Because it is a struggle against women. That is exactly what it is. It is to control women and to control women's lives and that, that I worry about, that will get removed from the conversation and get removed. I mean, we have #MeToo, we have those things which amazes me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=5475.75,5499.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Like, duh, you've only realized this happens. Weren't we talking about this thirty years ago, for god's sake? But that worries me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=5499.18,5508.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That worries me when I think about, well, where is feminist theory going and feminist action? And the really great thing, I think, about the Women in Transition programs in the State of Oregon, was they were that very unusual thing, something that was in a bureaucracy, a series of institutions that was actually a feminist grassroots movement devoted to preserving women's choices. They have all— they have either disappeared or they've been turned into general transition programs. What's happening to those thousands of women who are still poor, who are still in domestic violence— what has happened to them? What is happening to them as they attempt to change their lives?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=5508.59,5559.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's a piece of the national picture that worries me. And I have these— I've been saying I've been going to do this for two or three years. Maybe when I've stopped being a board president with the chorus I'll do this. I want to do a kind of— I have a friend down in southern Oregon who's also interested in this, do kind of a research project that reconstructs the history of those programs so they don't disappear from the conversation. You can see what happened because women disappear all the time. Our stories disappear all the time. That's a piece that's of concern.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=5560.44,5593.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Yeah. If you think about somebody watching this in twenty years, or a young person watching it now, couple months, is there something in particular, given your experience and your life of commitment to these different causes, or just your own growth, that you would advise a young person or tell them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=5593.71,5616.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: I think young people are going to be our saviors. I watch the young people in the climate movement, and other movements. What I would say to young people is to stay with those convictions. Stay with those truths. Fight and struggle because you'll gain a little and it can disappear but you can push back, and you can make a change. That's what I would say to them. And to be there to carry it forward.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=5616.89,5642.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Thank you so much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=5642.84,5644.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Thank you!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=5644.82,5644.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barry: Oh, you're welcome. It was kind of fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=5644.94,5651.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[END OF INTERVIEW]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606#t=5651.31,5651.41"}]},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56406/file/130606/transcript/92624/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/624/original/859_Coll520_do065_aligned.vtt?1776852382","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/624/original/859_Coll520_do065_aligned.vtt?1776852382"}]}]}]}