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She moved to California in 1966 and lived in the Haight-Ashbury neighborhood. She discusses living in the Haight and a psychology experiment by a San Francisco State professor there. In search of rural communal life, Myeba moved to Black Bear Ranch in northern California, where her daughter was born in 1970. She discusses life at the ranch and schooling for her daughter. In 1975, she went to Cabbage Lane, lesbian land in southern Oregon. She discusses her internalized homophobia. She met her partner, Rhys, while tree planting with Full Moon Rising in 1977. Myeba discusses Susie Grimes' accident while harvesting pinecones. She discusses living in the lesbian community in Eugene. She describes her work for Garbagio's, an early recycling business started by Michael Gravino. She talks about Rhys' cancer and death. She discusses her work at the Oregon Research Institute, her spirituality, and the spiritual circles she holds at her home in Eugene. She concludes her interview by discussing retirement, Soromundi Lesbian Chorus of Eugene, and her love of Oregon.\n\nKey terms: Bars (Drinking establishments)  --  Oregon -- Eugene; Campbell, Gladys; Communal living -- California; Communal living -- Oregon; Counterculture  --  California, Northern; Feminist bookstores; Full Moon Rising Planting Crew; Garbagio's; Haight-Ashbury (San Francisco, Calif.)  --  Social life and customs; Harbaugh, Anne \"Izzie;\" Hippies -- California; Hoedads, Inc.; Internalized homophobia; Lesbian community -- Oregon; Lesbian mothers  --  United States; Morrigan, Kendra; Mother Kali's Books; Parenting; Recycling; Riviera Room; Spirituality  --  United States; Tree planting; U.S. Forest Service; Worker cooperatives."]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Myeba Mindlin (Interviewee)","Judith L. 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This is an oral history interview with Myeba Mindlin on August 21, 2018, taking place in the University of Oregon Libraries’ recording studio in the Center for Media and Educational Technologies. The interviewers are Linda Long, Curator of Manuscripts in the UO Libraries’ Special Collections and University Archives, and Professor Judith Raiskin of the UO Department of Women's, Gender and Sexuality Studies. Myeba, please let us know if you agree to be recorded for this project and that you give your permission for the university to preserve and make available your recorded and transcribed interview.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=11.38,56.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: I agree. I do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=56.02,57.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Thank you very much! Well, let's just begin with a basic question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=57.4,61.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Can you please tell us where and when you were born, where you grew up, and something about your early background?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=61.9,68.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: I was born in Columbia, South Carolina, in 1946. My parents were both in the Army, I believe, and they moved to Los Angeles. We all moved to Los Angeles. I have a brother two years older— when I was a babe. And so I grew up in Los Angeles. And my family moved to Oklahoma in 1963. I won't go into that story too much, but I went to school in Oklahoma and Vermont. And then through my father's— who worked for the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Oklahoma— through his boss, actually, I ended up in the Haight-Ashbury in 1966.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=68.99,133.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I got connected with the Digger Free City family in the Haight at that time, and a whole lot of people that I knew were looking for land in the country. And we eventually found a piece in Northern California, Siskiyou County, between Yreka and Eureka, and we all moved there in '69, maybe? And I kind of went along because that's where my friends were going.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=133.16,172.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can I back up for a minute just to clarify?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=172.29,174.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=174.28,174.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So going back to Haight-Ashbury was— how did you end up going back to Haight-Ashbury?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=174.57,180.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: My father's boss hired a bunch of young people to live in the Haight-Ashbury and give him information.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=180.56,193.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Interesting. And this was through the Department of Psychiatry?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=193.14,196.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: He was actually my father's boss, whose name is Louis Jolyon West, known as Jolly; was at a think tank at Stanford at the time, so he was out on the West Coast, and he set up this somewhat fly-by- night scene in the Haight-Ashbury that I became a part of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=197.95,225.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: So was this a psychology experiment?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=225.52,228.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: We had very little in the way of specifics other than to be in the community, and Jolly would come and meet with us every so often, and gather whatever information was of import to him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=229.57,249.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was he interested in?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=250.04,251.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: You know, I don't really remember. I never could figure out Jolly's stake in it, and was contacted by a researcher quite a few years later who said that there are no records of that project, and people who are at the think tank at Stanford are supposed to be completing existing research, not starting new research. So it cast a strange light on—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=252.92,289.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And did they provide housing for you there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=289.81,291.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Yeah, we had an apartment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=291.52,292.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Oh, and how many of you were there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=292.83,294.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: There were— my brother and I were there and there were like three or four other people, and I— there was a free university called Happening House in the Haight at that time, and it was sponsored by a professor at San Francisco State. And it was looking at ways of bringing people together around educational stuff in the community, and I met a bunch of people there, and started teaching sewing. And there was a Gestetner copier, which was a very good quality copier, in the basement of Happening House; and folks were printing the Free City News, which was a broad sheet that was distributed free in the Haight.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=294.13,353.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And what year was this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=353.04,356.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Sixty-seven? Sixty-eight? I turned twenty-one in San Francisco in '68. Sixty-seven. And so, through this morphing group of people, a bunch of us left San Francisco and a bunch of us went to Black Bear and a bunch of us went to the Lost Coast, which is south of Eureka/Arcada, and did community there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=356.42,389.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And what did that look like for you, the community?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=389.7,392.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yeah, what does community mean?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=392.33,393.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Well, at the time, we were very into free, and Black Bear was founded on the watchword free land for free people, and that's the title of the second Black Bear book. And so, there were forty adults and fifteen children living in the mountains in Northern California, and we— we were creating a new world, and raising our children communally, and that's how I came to be Myeba, because the kids all lived in the kids' house, and the parents rotated in. And I was twenty-four when my daughter was about two and didn't want to be called “Mother,” and my given name is Eva Bess, and I was called that most of my life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=394.54,465.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Milagra couldn't pronounce the V in Eva and was being possessive, calling me \"My Eba,\" and adults rarely get it and two- year-olds always do. They say \"not Myeba, your Eba.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=465.71,483.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: How did the community support itself? Did you go out to work?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=487.19,490.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: That was a difficult sticking point and contributed to the eventual shifting of many, many things. I put up the down payment. The payments were small; it wasn't considered a very desirable piece of land, because it was so remote.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=490.77,512.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you build the structures on the land?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=514.7,516.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: We built a lot of structures. There were some existing structures.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=516.91,519.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Black Bear was one of the largest producing gold mines in Northern California, and it was run by John Daggett, who was the Lieutenant Governor of California in the early part of the 1900s. So there was a main house that had been a very nice structure when the Daggetts— when it was their home. And there was a large barn and a shop, and a few other smaller cabins, and then we built a lot of cabins, and we— somebody had a connection for plywood that was used to ship motorcycles, and it was very thin plywood that was kind of bendable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=519.81,571.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we had a design for a dome where you sort of pieced all these pieces of plywood together and bent them around. And we had the materials and they were easy to put up, and they were hard to insulate and all of that, but we put up quite a few of those.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=571.63,591.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you have electricity?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=591.44,593.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: No. Not at that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=593.95,596.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What did you do for heat?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=596.54,597.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Wood. Wood heat. Wood stoves. Yeah, when we got propane lanterns in the main house, that was way upscale!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=597.73,607.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Was there a well?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=608.35,610.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: There was a cistern coming down behind the main— water coming down the draw behind the main house, and that went into a cistern, and that fed that. I mean, we did amazing work. We dug miles of ditches to irrigate, and we leveled beds to irrigate by a flood system, where you would open a gate at some point and send the water into a series of beds, and then reroute it and send it into the next series of beds.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=610.52,653.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How did people know how to do these things?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=653.93,656.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Oh, we read books and figured it out. Yeah, nobody knew much of anything when we started out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=656.34,664.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Was there an established philosophical idea that you followed to live communally?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=664.27,673.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't say established, but we— I mean, we were pretty— the folks who found the land— a couple who found the land, he was a longshoreman and had a lot of Communist background and had some pretty good ideas about that. And a lot of other people came from various left-leaning collective setting, work settings, and wanted to see how it would be on the ground.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=673.33,710.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And one of the earliest factional disputes came between the gate and the main house. There was a cabin up at the gate which was just under a mile up the road. And the folks up there— there were folks who felt we needed to establish a working base to support ourselves. And then, there were those of us who wanted to stay at the ranch and see what we could figure out and how we could manage things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=711.5,752.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the folks who wanted to have a sound financial base actually came up here and were among the first Hoedads; the Thumb Crew was started by the Hamilton brothers, who were old Black Bears who came up here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=752.99,770.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then, at some point, Black Bear— a lot of people left to pursue— so, early '80s, a lot of people started leaving to pursue various kinds of professional careers, and some of us— but before that, we started a tree planting crew out of Black Bear, which was called Ent Forestry— and not an acronym, just Ent. And that was actually how I got up here, because I planted trees with Ent, and then I was a marketable commodity, a trained female tree planter, was how I got hired on the women's crew.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=772.33,823.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How many years were you a Black Bear?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=823.71,825.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Most of the '70s. My daughter was born there in 1970. So in that time period, there were— women were becoming interested in feminism and lesbianism, and a couple of women who were at the ranch had left and joined this band of traveling women, who were roaming the West Coast looking for land, and came through the ranch a couple of times, and there were many disputes over children and who was going to live where with who.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=826.64,871.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I became connected with the women— with the Mendocino Women's community, which is where Country Women came out of, and so all those women— Sherry Thomas and all those women who were that community— they did women's gatherings in a place in Mendo, and some of us from the ranch went down and— yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=872.3,906.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I started a long, slow process of coming out in that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=914.26,918.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: May I just interrupt briefly to ask, were you in a heterosexual relationship then, the father of your daughter? Or, how did that come about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=921.2,931.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: My daughter's father was someone that I had been lovers with in San Francisco before we went to the ranch. And when we were at the ranch, I decided to have a child because I wanted to change my life. And I chose Marteen because he didn't have any other children. And I had been lovers with many men there, and could have had my choice of fathers, I think! But I didn't want the complication of the many other children who were attached to various of these men.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=931.06,979.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Marteen and I were not— we didn't live together at the ranch, or we had our separate spaces. And we co-parented fairly well for a while, and then, Marteen went to the Bay Area for some R and R and never came back, and that was how we entered into long- distance co-parenting. And that was probably when Milagra was about three or somewhere in there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=979.95,1013.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Was that a difficult transition for you, for him to leave?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1013.23,1015.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Not really, because he had not— we didn't do that much co- parenting then, and I kind of had to— like, I would get Milagra all gathered up and take her to him, and say, \"Here, you keep her for a while.\" And he would walk up to the road to the gate cabin where my cousin lived, who adored Milagra, and Zoe would take care of Milagra while Marteen visited up there. So it wasn't like we had a working relationship, so it wasn't really that impactful on my day- to-day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1015.25,1059.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then, what happens there in this remote community, and still does, is that school only goes through the eighth grade. Well, there is one school, and it's a long ways from where Black Bear was; and so, when kids got to be school age, people would move to the river community, and there were mining claims at the time where you could live pretty okay and pretty cheap.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1059.48,1098.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So there was a mining cabin at the foot of Black Bear Creek, and we turned it into a kids house when the kids got to be— there were a bunch of kids around Milagra's age who were all going into kindergarten at the same time. And we— we did a communal kids house at Indian Creek, which was what this place was called at the foot of Black Bear Creek.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1098.41,1125.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I didn't want to live on the river. It was a strung-out along a river community, pretty het, and not— it just wasn't what I wanted to do. I wanted to either be at the ranch, or not be in that area. And I went to Cabbage Lane in 1975, because I became lovers with a woman that I met through a women's gathering in Mendocino.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1126.17,1163.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I lived at Cabbage Lane not very long, but maybe six months or so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1165.09,1175.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Was this your first woman lover?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1176.13,1178.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: No, my first woman lover was actually at the ranch. And we became lovers and then bounced apart, which I now attribute to internalized homophobia; I didn't particularly get it at the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1178.15,1196.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you describe that a little bit, how that worked for you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1196.96,1205.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: It was very sweet being lovers with Gaba, who was my first lover, and then it was intimidating, and I didn't know how to be, or how to be any different than the way— the form that Black Bear was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1205.83,1231.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Was it a pretty heterosexist environment?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1231.1,1243.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: It was— yeah. I mean, you know, it went without saying. It was just the assumption. I mean, there were a few gay men around who were— I mean, they were a part of the family, but they didn't have lovers at the ranch. And Gaba and I came together a few times, and at some point, I realized that— or I felt like I wanted to— that there was more to it than just this, and I wanted to see what lesbian community was, and had sort of gotten the idea that there is lesbian community from these bands of traveling women who came through Black Bear at times. So I went to Cabbage Lane in '75.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1243.03,1309.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And where was Cabbage Lane?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1309.56,1312.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: I'm sorry. Cabbage Lane is outside of Wolf Creek, Oregon. So it's part of— it was— and OWL Farm outside of Days Creek, Oregon didn't exist at the time. It had not yet been— and Cabbage Lane was— the women lived down in the narrow little canyon, and the gay men lived up on the ridge where the sun was. And I didn't really know how that piece of property came to be in the form that it was. There were two older lesbians who lived in a separate house at the foot of the driveway that led up to Cabbage Lane, and one of their sons, I believe, was one of the gay men up on the ridge, Lilac Ridge.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1312.12,1364.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Who were some of the women who lived at Cabbage Lane?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1367.2,1370.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: At that time, I lived there with LaRosa, and Susannah Melewell, and Pelican, and Clary Sage, and— I don't remember who else at that time. Well, Susan Onaclea passed through at that time. And I found it very confusing. I didn't even know what heterosexual privilege was, and yet, I had a lot of it and I was valued for it, because I knew my way around a truck; I could run a chainsaw; I wasn't intimidated of trying to cut a tree down, even though I messed it up and we had to go find one of the boys from one of the other places to come rescue us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1371.07,1426.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Why do you see that as heterosexual privilege?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1427.12,1431.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Well, that's what I was told it was; that I had the privilege of having lived successfully in a heterosexual setting where I could acquire these skills, which other women might not be able to acquire if they were just—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1431.12,1450.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: With other women?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1450.25,1451.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1451.51,1453.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1453.31,1453.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: But it was news to me. I was completely— I didn't get it at all. And it was lesbian separatist times, and that made so little sense to me. I was just floored by it, and saw many women with boy children suffer from it, and many boy children suffer from it as well. It made no sense to me, but I had no analysis. I had no— I was not studied in feminism. It just seemed strange to me, and like a flawed politic; like, how are you going to raise decent men if you don't do it yourself, and if women don't do it and show them how to be feminist men?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1454.08,1513.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then— then my father had a serious health incident, and my mother tracked me down by getting a message to the store in Wolf Creek, which somehow or other got to me and I left immediately to go to Los Angeles where my father had been diagnosed with cancer. And I was in Los Angeles for quite a long time; like a month or so, which was a really long time for me. And I had a sweet relationship down there, this woman I met through my sister, who was, I guess, coming out around the same time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1513.84,1565.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And after that, I didn't want to go back to Cabbage Lane because it was too confusing, so I went back to Black Bear.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1567.88,1574.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And you still have Milagra with you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1574.52,1578.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: No, Milagra was not with me in all this time. I think she was in the kids’ house still.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1579.0,1590.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so, I went back to the ranch for a while, and Gaba was pregnant with her first child, and we were intimate and close during her pregnancy. And Corinna was born in September of '76, and I stuck around for a while, but felt that I needed to be gone from there. And Milagra was entering elementary, and Marteen was in a living setting in Berkeley that worked, and he wanted her, and she went to live with him; and I came up here in the fall of '77 and joined the women's tree planting crew.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1591.66,1643.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What did you know of Eugene before you came here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1643.08,1646.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Nothing. Well, I had been through town when Milags was— I don't know— a year or two old, so '71 or so. And let's see— the Shelton McMurphey house— so Hoedads was above the— you know, in Growers Market Building, that— and the Shelton McMurphey house was a tree planter crash pad at the time. And so I came up here with friends from Black Bear who were tree planters, and we were around Eugene just a little bit, and we went to a land place out the Siuslaw that didn't last very long— out Mapleton area. So I knew a little bit of the feel of the place, and I knew about Hoedads.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1646.22,1709.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I came to join the women's crew, and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1709.97,1713.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you describe Hoedads?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1713.33,1714.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Hoedad Co-op was a tree planting co-op. We were one of the biggest employers in town at that time. There were a dozen crews, each of which had twelve to fifteen to twenty workers, and we bid forest service and BLM contracts to re-plant clear cuts. It was a cooperatively run business, and representatives from each crew were the bidding committee, and we would evaluate contracts and decide what to bid and which crews would be appropriate for which contracts.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1714.02,1769.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then we went off traveling. Most of the Hoedad crews were— there was only one other communal crew, and that was Red Star, the Commie crew. And all of the other crews were— people had their own beautiful trailer rigs, camper kind of rigs, all those beautiful house trucks that you have seen pictures of, I'm sure, and occasionally see around, and the school buses and all of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1770.07,1806.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And both Red Star and Full Moon Rising were communal crews.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1808.45,1814.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We had— Full Moon Rising had two yurts, and one of them was the kitchen and gathering yurt, and the other was a smaller yurt that some people slept in, and then other people slept in trucks or tents or whatever they had. We camped in gravel pits a lot, because that was what was available, close by to the work, the contracts that we would win.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1814.56,1845.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And some contracts were better than others. When I first joined, we were working up Detroit up by Breitenbush, and the Forest Service had kind of a hard time with the women's crew, because the guys could walk over to the edge of the landing and pee off the edge, and the inspectors, the Forest Service people, were okay with that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1845.7,1883.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But they didn't like it when we started dropping our pants and walking over to the edge of the unit and squatting to pee, you know? It wasn't how things were then. 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We all— our tools were tree bags and hoedags. That's the name of the tool, which is like a long hoe. It's eighteen inches long or something. And one Hoedad, Joe Earp, designed a new bracket for the hoedag, which made it a much more efficient instrument. It had originally been just a ninety-degree angle, and he made this little bracket that attached the blade to the handle, that gave it a little bit of curve that made it a little easier to dig a hole. And that just depended on the terrain. I mean, we were traipsing through clear cuts the whole time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1915.57,1968.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So we'd have tree bags that were sat on the waist. They were pretty big, could carry three to five bundles of trees, which were anywhere from this big to this big, depending on the contract. And tree planting is a lot about strategy, and the lead planter— so, the way it works is the lead planter takes off and the person coming behind them has to plant whatever the specs are; the specs are how far apart the trees are supposed to be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=1969.81,2013.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So you could be on a ten-by contract or a six-by contract, or whatever, and that meant that the trees had to be ten feet apart or six feet apart; and that kind of means in every direction. And the Forest Service would inspect, and they would cast plots, where they would randomly go into a place, stick a stick in the ground, and then draw a circle of whatever diameter it was, and there needed to be a certain number of trees within that circle, according to what the specs of a contract were. And then they would dig a few trees, because the trees had to not have J roots, and J roots was when your hole wasn't deep enough and you just shove the tree in there, and the bottom of the root got turned up, which is not a good growing setup for a tree.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2013.93,2076.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the Forest Service, or BLM, whoever it was, would come and inspect, and our pay was based on that, because if we weren't meeting spec, then we were getting docked.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2076.84,2094.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How much did you get paid?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2095.21,2096.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: It all depended. Hundred dollar days were really good, and possible. The first contract I was on was in Detroit area, and I don't really remember much about it. I was quite new to the whole scene, and that was in the fall of '77. And then after the New Year, we had a contract in Dorena, outside of Cottage Grove, and we were making a penny a tree, and it was the pits! We were—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2097.95,2133.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Hard work?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2133.33,2134.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Yeah, really hard work. You know, it was a wet and rainy January, slogging up and down clear cuts. We were pretty disheartened that spring. But I want to say that when I joined the crew, I met my partner there. She was a really good tree planter, and she was often the lead, because she was a local girl, and she knew her way around the woods.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2134.02,2172.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What year was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2172.15,2173.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Seventy-seven.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2173.89,2174.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Seventy-seven.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2175.17,2175.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Yeah. I'll just fast forward quickly. She died in 2011 at age fifty-five.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2175.38,2183.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So we traveled Oregon. It was great. It was wonderful. We had a contract in the Wallowas that— I think that was maybe the next season. I didn't even know where the Wallowas were, and I still don't know where we were then. But we got to see beautiful, beautiful country, and traveling with a bunch of women, and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2183.26,2218.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And where did you sleep?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2219.14,2220.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Either in the yurt or in tents or trucks or whatever we had. This is the Full Moon Rising T-shirt.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2221.12,2235.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Oh, that's great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2235.71,2238.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Can you hold it over this way a little bit?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2238.73,2240.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2240.28,2240.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Oh, right in front of you so we— yeah, there we go. Uh-huh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2240.18,2244.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: That's great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2245.43,2246.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: And this image was on the door of our crummy— a crummy— a crummy is a work vehicle, and they're often kind of like panel trucks with multiple seats in the back or seats along the edges and a rack on top, where we could store all our stuff and tools. We lived at 852 West Fourth, the heart of the Whit, and we parked our crummy in front of our house, and had all the stuff stored in the garage— the crew stuff stored in the garage over summer. We got a fair amount of flack in the neighborhood for having our crummy with that logo parked in front of our house. And we took our crummy to Sam Bond's Garage to have it worked on!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2246.05,2302.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: When it was a garage.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2302.8,2303.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: When it was a garage, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2303.84,2305.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And was there a lot of lesbians living in that neighborhood at the time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2305.95,2308.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Yeah, there were quite a few, and it was— I mean, Eugene was a very interesting place at that time. There were worker co-ops everywhere, just everywhere. Jackrabbit Press, Amazon Kung Fu, Women's Press, Crescent Construction, Hoedads, Starflower— just every time you turned around, there was another worker co-op somewhere. So it was quite heady times, and we tree planters were kind of the— we were well regarded in the community. We were the adventurous heroes who went off doing the good work in the woods, and came into town and partied.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2308.74,2370.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, I don't know if you all know the Vets Club, or— it's a great place to dance, and back then, there was a trio that appeared regularly at the Vets Club that were called the Mellow Man, and it was a like three piece swing trio, and it was known for swing dancing and also for having the strongest drinks in town. And we would go there often, and various of us would get invited out onto the dance floor by these men who really knew how to dance. And some of us were good dancers and actually had a good time being swirled around. Not too many of us danced with each other at that time at that place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2370.48,2425.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Can you tell us anything else about Eugene in the mid-1970s?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2426.27,2430.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Well, let's see. Althea was in town then; I don't know if that name has come up. She's a musician, and there were lots of women's events and women's dances, and Althea would— there was what was called the “Refrigerator Route.” So when an event was coming, there would be flyers, and people would take various refrigerator routes to go and distribute flyers to everyone's home, to put on their refrigerators.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2437.13,2473.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, the “Perv Room”— the Riv Room, Riviera Club, was the gay bar at the time. It wasn't a women's bar, but it was a gay bar.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2473.9,2485.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thursday night was women's night.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2485.01,2486.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Was Mother Kali’s in the Whit then? The bookstore?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2486.6,2491.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Yeah, Mother Kali’s was right around— was on Blair, where that upscale sushi place is now. And Zoo Zoo's was on the corner where the pot shop is now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2491.03,2504.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you know Izzie Harbaugh?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2506.7,2507.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Oh yeah. Sure. We all knew Izzie.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2507.55,2511.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you describe her?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2511.11,2512.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Impassioned.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2514.1,2515.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Just the owner of the Mother Kali’s bookstore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2516.52,2518.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Yeah, Mother Kali’s. Yeah, she loved what she did, and she loved being the hub that Mother Kali’s was, and very impassioned about both the politics of coming out in that time, or being out in that time, and about writing and words and the power that that shares and gives us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2518.1,2548.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you remember what you were reading at the time, kinds of things?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2548.54,2554.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: I mean, I think of the various rounds of lesbian— there was lesbian science fiction, there were lesbian mysteries— the whole Naiad Press thing. There were local people, local women doing a lot of poetry. Adrienne was one of those women, and Susan Reddick, and— yeah. I can just see that tiny little space off Blair where Izzie had that first storefront. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2555.23,2607.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mean, it was very heady times, very intoxicating times. We felt there were a lot of us. We could do anything. 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You know, equal pay for equal work; everybody's out there doing the work and the camp person is staying home and doing the work, and everybody gets the same pay. It just made sense to me. I didn't have much analysis around it. It was just what made sense to me. And a lesson that— I don't know how well I have learned it, but I have learned it many times in my life, that what I consider a basic assumption is not necessarily shared by others, you know? 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We didn't work on the east side— that is, the east side of Oregon, east of the Cascades, I mean— very much, but it was mainly pine planting over there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2786.54,2797.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then, in that time, there were a couple of things going on. One was that the state was having a hard time with worker co-ops, because we didn't fit the regular pay scale kind of stuff. And mostly it had to do with SAIF, the State Accident Insurance Fund, and how we fit or did not fit in with that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2801.9,2838.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And there was a serious accident, a injury accident of a woman on our crew, Susie Grimes, who was learning tree climbing from a fellow Hoedad. Tree climbing was another thing that we could contract with the Forest Service for, and it was seed collection. And so, you were actually climbing fir or pine or whatever to collect cones and get seed, and Susie was being trained by a Hoedad for the purpose of having that skill to work with. And she fell and shattered both her ankles, and is permanently disabled, and it kind of sunk the co-op because the co-op didn't, in my opinion, take responsibility for what needed to happen, for how to care for Susie when this happened in a work-related setting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2839.39,2914.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Was she covered by SAIF?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2914.94,2916.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: I don't remember and I don't know the details. I do know that Susie came from a wealthy background, and that her parents supported her a lot. But that was happening to lots of different co-ops around at the time, was that it was— we were not being able to successfully navigate the business parts of being a co-op within in the state system, and the state was not being particularly helpful about it, either.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=2916.28,2956.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that was a big piece; that was a piece in the early '80s. And things just started changing then. I mean, the co-ops, they evaporated and things became much more dispersed in my experience. And we became townies; that's tree planter talk. And I started working for Garbagio's then, and Garbagio's was a cooperatively-owned, collectively run garbage and recycle collection company before— this was before curbside collection of recyclables was mandated, so no one was offering that service. 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There were a crew of us, there were probably six or eight drivers, and Rhys and I were living in the Whiteaker at the time, and one of work partners lived around the corner from us. It felt nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3061.17,3093.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What did you do? 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But he was apparently a visionary kind of wild man, and he designed this truck which had a huge, heavy fabricated metal bed with big sides on it, and there was a large bin, so a truck with a twelve-foot metal box on the back of it with a large compartment in the back for the actual garbage, and it had a swinging back door so we could dump it at the dump, and then separate compartments that we'd put recycled materials into.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3097.02,3155.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so, I drove this truck and jumped out at the curb and picked a garbage can up on my shoulder, and hoisted it up and dumped it in the back of the truck. And then we got a compactor! That was really cool when we got an actual garbage truck that you push the button and it made it all much smaller! And it was also kind of handy because in the early part of the route when the back wasn't too full, we gals could climb in the back of the truck and go pee in there, because there we were out driving through alleys and stuff, and no place to pee.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3155.95,3202.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And my friend Sherry, who is a tree planter, who lived across the street from us in the Whiteaker, got a job there, as well. Susan Onaclea, who I mentioned earlier, was working there. And we— it was a fun crew. 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One was— we had a warehouse out in Glenwood and some homeless friend of one of ours had been staying there, and there was some electrical problems and the warehouse caught on fire. We stored a lot of flammable, recyclable materials in there, and he was fine, but the truck burned and that set us back. And then around the same time was when the state passed mandated curbside collection of recycle, so we no longer had a unique service to offer and not— the big companies, they had to do it, so they started doing it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3229.34,3286.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Around that time— I think after that, I worked for Pearl Buck for a while. Do you all know— ? So I was a bus driver for Pearl Buck. I drove—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3289.55,3301.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you describe Pearl Buck?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3301.47,3302.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Pearl Buck was a support center for people with a wide range of mental and physical disabilities, and they had lots of different programs. They had supported work setting for adults, and they had nursery settings for children whose parents were somewhere on the mentally retarded/developmentally delayed spectrum. And the kids weren't necessarily that, but they were growing up in compromised settings.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3302.96,3338.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I drove van for Pearl Buck for quite a while, and it was actually through— oh, and then I started working for Oregon Supported Living Program when they were first starting, and I did driving, as well. So I was driving clients around, and that was where I first came across Oregon Research Institute, because some of our OSLP folks worked in the copy center at ORI in their Franklin location.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3338.58,3374.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My partner had many names. I'll just call her Rhys; that's the name she died with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3383.58,3387.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Rhys?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3387.49,3387.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Rhys. Yeah. When she was a tree planter, she was Otter. And Rhys had been studying ceramics at LCC, and through a classmate of hers, I met a woman who worked at ORI and ran a research project looking at adolescent problem behavior and going into schools and doing assessments with students in classroom settings. And I got hired to do that work at ORI, because I realized at some point that if I wanted to be able to use my hands when I got old, I needed to make money with my brains, not my brawn. I have an old injury that has affected my— given me numbness and shoulder and all sorts of stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3387.89,3450.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I decided to find a different way of supporting myself, and I started working at ORI then. And Rhys was doing ceramics and making beautiful, beautiful stuff that she sold at Saturday Market.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3451.2,3471.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And somewhere in there, we'd bought a house out River Road— close in River Road. The Whiteaker was driving Rhys crazy. It was when Reagan got elected and it suddenly seemed like there were many more mothers who didn't know how to deal with their children living close by us, and we wanted to leave the Whiteaker.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3471.96,3503.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So we found a beautiful place out River Road on Hansen Lane. It was unoccupied at the time we found it, but had been owned by Shady Grove, who was a lesbian in the community, and many women lived at this property over time. And it has a front house and two smaller structures out back, and it has— it's about half an acre, you know, the way some of those places on River Road are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3504.23,3543.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One of the big pieces for me was that there was an apple tree on it, and the only other place I'd ever seen those apples was at Black Bear, so it felt like home to me. And it also cost $15,000. There was no bottom to real estate market at the time, so we lucked into this place which I call Bomboo now. Yeah, and we started— so I was working at Pearl Buck then, and I think Rhys was still in school, and we started doing equinox and solstice circles with a group of women, and went on doing that for twenty-five years. And I brought the songbook that we used.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3545.38,3604.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, I mean, do you have any other—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3604.88,3614.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Well, who was in your circle for that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3614.17,3615.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3615.73,3616.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Gladys Campbell, Catherine Zukowski, Kendra Morrigan— different times, different—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3616.07,3632.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So you did that for twenty-five years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3632.37,3634.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Twenty-five years, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3634.1,3634.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So you had a pretty strong community for all these years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3635.0,3638.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Yeah, and you know, it's so interesting what happens when you're a widow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3638.46,3643.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What's been your experience?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3643.94,3646.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: My community has dispersed. I see none of the women that I circled with all those years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3647.25,3654.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: They're in couples? Is that why?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3654.11,3656.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Not all, yeah. Maybe. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what it is. I mean, that's not exactly true. I'm in touch with a handful, literally, of women that I circled with all those years. It's quite strange to me. I didn't expect it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3656.66,3676.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: It seems like your circles have had an impact, though, because other people we've interviewed have mentioned that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3677.29,3684.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Well, yeah, we did them for a long time, and they were quite— they were great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3684.44,3692.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Where do you think people have dispersed to?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3692.4,3694.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: It just seems like in the '80s, things got real dispersed, and people— I don't know if it was people having children and just going into the family thing? A friend of mine who lived here for many years, but is in the Bay Area now, pointed out something that I hadn't really thought of, which is with the assimilation of gay and lesbian culture, that community doesn't exist in the same way. It's dispersed. It's spread out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3696.62,3734.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, I don't really get it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3740.04,3742.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So some of those institutions, the collective places are not in existence? Some of the places people gather— they used to gather— they're not there anymore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3742.05,3751.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: True. True. Yeah, I mean— yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3751.86,3755.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Can you tell us if you were involved in any of the political activity campaigning against Measure 8 and 9, for example?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3755.67,3766.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Yeah, yeah. We actually left town for a while in the mid-'90s because it just got too hard here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3766.35,3777.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you describe that time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3777.31,3779.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: We felt under attack and we— you know, we mobilized and did— I also sang with Soromundi for the first ten years of Soromundi's existence, and yeah, we were out singing at various events and door-to-door campaigning for various of the measures. I'm sorry, I haven't looked at the chronology. I've lost track of— because there was so many in that time period, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3780.66,3829.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had been working at ORI for a while then, and the project that I was working on had not gotten refunded, and we decided— and this was '93— so we decided to go to Black Bear. So, we went to Black Bear in spring of '93, and we almost immediately had a women's drumming gathering there, which was pretty amazing, because it's a hard place to get to. But a bunch of people came; Gladys came and— Gladys and Jade— Gladys Campbell and— I'm blanking Jade's last name. Roberta Pupilli came, which is amazing to me, that she actually came to Black Bear.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3832.93,3880.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we stayed there on and off for two years, and Rhys built us a house, and she— there was a book that came out in the '70s called I Built Myself a House, and that's what she used to build us a house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3885.2,3907.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There weren't very many people living at the ranch at the time, and one of the current and, at that time, problem was— us, small crew of people, lots of work to do, a large space, and maintenance having not been done in a regular way; so, those miles of ditches I talked about digging? They needed to be re-dug and fixed and patched, and we spent a lot of time just keeping systems— patching systems together, rather than actually making much progress— just trying to keep the pieces together so we could keep the garden watered and keep the water in the pond.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3913.82,3967.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Had you sold your River Road house?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3967.69,3972.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: No, we kept it. We were able to keep it. We rented it to a few people over time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3972.28,3978.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then my work situation changed, and we got funding again, and decided to come back. Right when we came back, which was fall of '94, I think, Rhys went off with some friends of ours to do forest work in eastern Oregon, actually. And after that— she worked with these friends for a while, but it meant her being away.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=3981.54,4016.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And after that, she decided that she didn't want to have to travel for work anymore, and she went into massage school. And that was a big deal for her, because she was not of an intellectual background; none of her family had ever done college.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4017.03,4038.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it was a lot for her to take on, and we— I know a lot of anatomy because I helped Rhys study a lot with flash cards. And I was still at ORI. And then, Rhys got her massage license and her cancer diagnosis at the same time, in '99. Yeah, our life changed a lot then. I don't know if you all have so far eluded cancer in your close family, but it's a harsh companion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4038.61,4082.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you find you had community at the time to help you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4083.48,4086.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Yes and no. Rhys is a very private person in some ways, and she didn't— it was hard for her to share about having cancer when she was first diagnosed. She got to be an old hand and wasn't so shy about it anymore over time. So, I've been around cancer a lot in the past— what is it now? Almost twenty years. And I know of quite a few people whose cancer experience is— they are diagnosed, they receive treatment, and whatever that treatment is for whatever that cancer is— and that's it. And they return to regular life and go on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4087.76,4151.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then there are others who seem to have— who it dogs and just keeps coming, and that was Rhys' circumstance. She had something coming up every couple of years or so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4152.51,4169.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: When was she diagnosed?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4169.58,4171.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Ninety-nine. And she had a lumpectomy— and I can't even remember if she had radiation then. I kind of don't think so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4171.01,4186.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then, she had a palpable lump within two years or so, and that was when we found out that the person who had done her surgery was not actually a surgical oncologist, but simply a breast specialist, and who didn't— I don't know. It didn't seem like they took her very seriously.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4190.61,4220.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Was that a doctor in Eugene?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4220.43,4223.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Yeah, yeah. He's not around anymore, as far as I know. But at the time, he was the go-to person for breast surgery. Yeah, so that—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4223.54,4239.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How would you characterize how you were treated as a lesbian couple in the medical world?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4240.68,4247.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: It was way different at different times. In the beginning, we were in a bunch of different circumstances where people said ridiculous things to us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4248.74,4258.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Like what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4260.01,4260.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Oh, like a sonogram tech who asked if I had discovered the lump.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4260.66,4266.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, this wasn't lesbianism that one— there is one surgical oncologist in this town, Thomas Trezona; I don't recommend him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4266.71,4283.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He got in Rhys’ face, like three inches away, and told her that her twigs and sticks would not save her, and also told her that mastectomy was ugly when he was preparing to do a mastectomy on her. That was later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4286.65,4309.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Were you treated respectfully as her partner?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4309.27,4314.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: In many circumstances, yes. Certainly at the end we became quite good friends with Dr. Benjamin Cho; he's a medical oncologist; I recommend him highly. And I was diagnosed with two different kinds of cancer within two months in '08, and Rhys was okay enough to be able to support me through that. And I was— I was just pissed. I was so fucking pissed that this was happening to me, because I was too busy and I had too much to do to get through it!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4315.85,4364.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I did, and I am so far one of those who had diagnosis, was treated, and have had nothing since.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4364.16,4376.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, we went on doing circles for a long time in that time, and then at some point, we couldn't do it anymore and I stopped. I let people know that we were not going to be calling circle, and I really hoped that someone else would pick it up, and that didn't happen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4376.92,4405.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"After Rhys died, I went on calling circle for a while, and I couldn't do it, partly because I still had two dogs and it was too much to have people and both dogs in that setting, and when it was me and Rhys, we could manage it, but I couldn't really do it when it was just me. And again, I tried to find people who wanted to do a little pre-planning and organizing with me, and I just couldn't manifest it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4409.1,4447.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What do you think needs to happen to pull people together as people are aging and need each other's support?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4447.46,4459.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Social settings where we come together in some regular way, I think. But I don't know what those would be, and I know also— social settings only take you so far, if that's all that you have is a social gathering every now and again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4459.15,4492.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you imagine what you'd like to see happen?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4494.67,4498.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: It's really hard for me to imagine that. I am not very outward these days, and have not been for the past seven years, which is how long it's been since my partner died. Though I am calling equinox circle next month, which I haven't done in five or six years, and it's partly because I don't have any dogs— they both died by now— and partly because of physical circumstances changed in my home setting and I feel I have access to space I didn't feel I had access to before.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4501.05,4545.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: For the benefit of people watching this video, can you explain what the circle is?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4547.3,4552.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: We came together to sing, and I— this is one of our songbooks here. I put this together. There's, I don't know, dozens of songs here, and so I had about a dozen copies of these, and we would distribute— so we would gather and potluck, and then go out back on our half acre and have a fire, and call circle— that is, in the witch tradition, call on the directions and close the circle and sing as long as we wanted. And the way people often did it was by calling out page numbers from the book.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4553.55,4609.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Rhys and I, depending on our desires, Rhys and I would do as much tone setting, in terms of what the holiday was and what was on our minds at the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4614.43,4634.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Were you raised in any religions tradition as a child?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4634.84,4641.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4641.63,4642.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So you were creating spiritual context?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4642.23,4645.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: I mean, we did a lot of circling at Black Bear. And so I was already a circle song person long before I became part of that in the lesbian community. And we did, as I think many rural communities— we created our own gatherings and ways of coming together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4645.66,4679.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Are you retired now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4679.3,4686.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4686.17,4686.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Yeah?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4686.74,4687.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4687.18,4687.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you have any things you'd like to pursue in retirement?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4687.82,4693.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: I am pursuing music. I sing with Singing Heart Chorus, which is a community-based chorus in the Singing Alive tradition, which is a circle song tradition that I knew nothing about until very recently.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4694.89,4713.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What is it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4713.5,4715.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Singing Alive is people who gather in song circle— there will be a gathering outside of Salem next weekend. It's been going on for five years or so; hundreds of people coming together to sing. And there are various song carriers of the tradition, and one of whom is named Lawrence Cole, who also comes through this town to lead grief song circles. I don't know if you've heard of those, they've been—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4717.15,4750.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: There’s Thresholds.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4750.46,4750.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Yeah, no, this is different than Threshold. Have you all ever heard the name Sobonfu Somé? Do you know that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4750.44,4762.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Uh-uh [negative].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4763.1,4763.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: She's a woman I— West African who was known from before she was born that her work was to come teach white people how to grieve. And she did that, and created a tradition of grief circles, grief song circles. And Lawrence Cole and Rob Miller, both of whom— Lawrence is not in this town, but Rob Miller is— they are following in that tradition and leading grief song ceremonies, and in those settings, you create an altar and sing for hours the same song, and hold space for the people who want to go to the altar and prostrate themselves at the altar.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4763.49,4819.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So Lawrence Cole, who leads that singing tradition, is also part of the Singing Alive tradition, and it's earth-based, earth-friendly, uplifting, very fun songs; pretty easy learning in the oral tradition; nothing written, no written music.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4822.61,4843.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I've been singing twice a week for several years now, which is really nice, and I've also been studying piano with Paul Safar for four or five years or so in order to notate my own music. I have a lot of songs come through me and they exist in the oral tradition, and I want to have some of them exist in the written tradition, as well. So, I've been studying piano as a way to learn how to read and write music, basically. So I'm not learning other people's music; I'm just learning my own. I'm just creating my own.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4843.71,4890.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you sing with Soromundi at all?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4890.52,4894.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: I sang with Soromundi for ten years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4894.6,4896.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: But not now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4898.47,4899.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: No. I stopped singing with them around when Rhys got diagnosed, actually, and didn't have the energy. And they're too big now. I'm not that interested in that setting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4899.18,4913.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I also had a falling out with Lisa many years ago, Lisa Hellemn. I had been singing with Soromundi for ten years, and we were doing the tenth anniversary recording. And we had been singing a song of mine that Lisa had arranged that I wrote for Soromundi called Sing Praise, and Lisa did a beautiful arrangement. I knew it could sound that way, and she knew how to make it sound that way. And we were performing it that season, and we recorded it along with many other songs for the CD, and Lisa did not include it on the CD.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4917.1,4966.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I was shocked speechless, and it was one of those— understanding that I have assumptions that are not shared by other people. It made sense to me that a chorus member who has contributed original music for every year that we had been singing, who had a song that we were singing— an original song we were singing— that that song would be included on the album. It made no sense to me that that didn't happen. And I was so distressed by it that I couldn't talk to Lisa about it. Now I would have been able to, but back then, I couldn't. And when I did mention it to her months later, she was like, \"Oh, there was this other song I wasn't that pleased with. I could have put that one in there, but— \" How I feel about the songs that come through me are, they are like children. They have their work to do in the world, and they need to be set out into the world to do their work. And that is a regret of mine that that song didn't make it out into the world at that time, because it's a real nice song.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=4966.52,5053.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, pursuing music is mostly what I'm interested in, and trying to maintain my place, which is a lot to maintain. And my daughter lives in town; I have two teenage grandsons who I spend a lot of time with. They live two blocks away from me, which is really nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=5057.35,5080.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I do have— I am still connected to some of my old friends. I have dinner twice a month with one set, and dinner maybe once a month with another set. And whenever Kendra Morrigan passes through town, we see each other. She managed to be here for my fortieth anniversary last fall, which I needed somebody else to celebrate with since Rhys wasn't around. So, we went out to dinner at Grit. It was really nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=5082.29,5120.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Back in the Whit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=5120.86,5123.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Back in the Whit, yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=5123.28,5125.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: When you look back, what would you say was your greatest joy of living and working here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=5125.29,5135.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Well, tree planting was great, and I really liked being— I liked— I mean, that job, but also my Oregon Research Institute work just got me out in Oregon. I love Oregon. It's a beautiful place. I love all the parts of it, and I love having been able to be in lots of different communities in a— so, when we were tree planters, we were working in the woods. When I was at Oregon Research Institute, we were working in the schools. So, I got to go to lots of communities and work in the schools, and see what small communities were like, and how the schools worked, and I really have enjoyed being as intimate with Oregon as I have been able to be in my life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=5135.58,5193.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And singing is the other thing, and Rhys and I sharing that, having that as a mainstay of our life for many, many years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=5194.71,5209.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you get married?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=5209.54,5211.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: We did!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=5212.6,5213.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: I mean, that's kind of a major experience for lesbian couples. What was that like for you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=5215.73,5217.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Yeah, yeah. It was when it was legal in Multnomah County, for whatever that brief episode was. And I actually asked Rhys to marry me, and she was quite surprised, because I had never been one to— in our early years, I never committed beyond as long as we still both wanted to do it! So, when was that? I don't even remember.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=5217.46,5246.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Around 2006, maybe?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=5249.34,5250.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Yeah, that sounds about right. So we went up to Salem— we went up to Multnomah County and got our license, and then came back and— oh, Kathy Knowles, I forgot that name, who was a regular circle person. We got married in an equinox circle. Kathy married us, and then we got our money sent back to us about three months later, or whatever it was!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=5250.44,5281.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, yeah, we were married back then! And we were registered domestic partners. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=5282.73,5290.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Is there something we haven't asked you about that you'd like to cover?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=5290.28,5299.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: I mean, there's so many stories. There's lots and lots of stories, but I don't think so. I brought a photo album which has photographs of most of us Tree Planters that were taken by Gladys Campbell.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=5299.99,5319.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Uh-huh, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=5319.44,5320.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: And so I don't know if that's anything that can show on this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=5320.24,5326.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: I can look at it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=5326.51,5327.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: You all can—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=5327.28,5327.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=5327.44,5328.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Yeah. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=5328.08,5328.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Thank you. That's great. That's wonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=5328.96,5331.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Yeah. So, I mean, I'm sure I'll think of stories I wish I had told when I'm gone, but nothing comes up right now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=5331.07,5341.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: It's been wonderful to hear your stories.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=5341.34,5343.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=5343.94,5344.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=5344.27,5344.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=5344.71,5345.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=5345.13,5345.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: It's a piece we haven't heard yet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=5345.81,5347.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mindlin: Huh. Interesting. Yeah, well, we had a lot of fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=5347.98,5355.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Thank you very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=5359.43,5360.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Thank you!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=5360.02,5360.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[END OF INTERVIEW]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352#t=5360.78,5360.88"}]},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56153/file/130352/transcript/92598/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/598/original/807_Coll520_do036_aligned.vtt?1776852365","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/598/original/807_Coll520_do036_aligned.vtt?1776852365"}]}]}]}