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She then went to live on a kibbutz in Israel where her work focused on gardening. She attended Foothill Community College in California, but dropped out during the antiwar movement. Sally moved to Eugene to attend the University of Oregon in the early 1970s. While taking courses on women and health, she recognized her lesbianism. She received a B.A. in Speech from the University of Oregon, as well as a certificate in Women's Studies in 1976. That same year, she started work at Starflower Natural Foods \u0026amp; Botanicals. She discusses the character of the cooperative. She received an M.S. in Leisure Studies and Services from UO in 1986. She then began a career in health, working first at the Willamette AIDS Council, and later did development work for the Feminist Women's Health Center. Sally discusses anti-abortion activist Rachelle \"Shelley\" Shannon. Sally discusses her creative and performance work, including her musical comedy parody The Sound of Lesbians. Sally then describes the Eugene-based comedy and improvisation group, WYMPROV! that was initially developed as an act to combat the anti-gay political campaigns in Oregon in the 1980s and 1990s. In addition to Sally Sheklow, the members of WYMPROV! troupe include Enid Lefton, Debby Martin, and Vicki Silvers. She describes the Passover Seder at the Eugene Hilton Hotel, which she coordinated as a public fundraiser to campaign against Ballot Measure 9. She also describes the annual Eugene Gay Pride Celebration. She concludes her interview by humorously discussing aging.\n\nKey terms: Abortion; Amateur theater; Cassidy, Gertrude; Cheese; Domestic abuse; Drug abuse; Hippies -- California; Judaism; Kibbutzim; Improvisation (Acting); Merrick, Harriet; Mobility International USA (Organization); Ordinances, Municipal  --  Oregon -- Eugene; Organic food; Shannon, Rachelle \"Shelley;\" Socialism; Sygall, Susan; Trudy's Ranch; Vietnam War, 1961-1975  --  Protest movements  --  United States; Women -- abuse of; Women's health services."]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Sally Sheklow (Interviewee)","Judith L. 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This is an oral history interview with Sally Sheklow on August 1, 2018, taking place in the University of Oregon Libraries' recording studio in the Center for Media and Educational Technologies. The interviewers are Linda Long, Curator of Manuscripts in the UO Libraries' Special Collections \u0026 University Archives, and Professor Judith Raiskin at the UO Department of Women's, Gender and Sexuality Studies. Sally, please let us know if you agree to be recorded for this project and that you give your permission for the university to preserve and make available your recorded and transcribed interview?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=10.63,54.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Yes, I agree.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=54.45,55.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Thank you. Why don't we start out with a pretty basic question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=55.49,60.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Can you tell us when and where you were born?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=60.17,62.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: I was born at the El Mirador Hotel in Palm Springs, California.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=63.09,68.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There wasn't a hospital there then. They had a makeshift hospital set up in the back of the hotel. One of those iconic spires of the hotel that has beautiful Arabic tiles on it and stuff that's on all the postcards of Palm Springs. That's where I was born. Show-biz.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=68.32,86.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What year was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=86.6,88.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: 1950. December 8, 1950.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=88.25,91.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you tell us something about your family?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=91.09,95.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Sure. My parents were in business, they had a small paint store, paint and wallpaper store. This was before you could get paint at the big stores, the specialty stores and my dad mixed color by eye.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=95.61,111.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He also held court in the paint store. He had a lot of jokes that he would tell people coming in and say, \"How much paint is it going to take to paint a house?\" He would say, \"Well, it depends. How much does your house weigh?\" That was my dad. He also performed with USO when he was in the military. I have a great photo of him with a big BBC microphone in front of him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=112.47,139.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What kind of performance did they do?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=139.57,140.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: They did slapstick comedy shticks. When someone's on a table and they're pulling out nylon stockings and hammers and stuff of the surgical victim.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=140.93,149.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Did he serve in World War II?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=150.02,152.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Yeah. My mom was a writer. She wrote copy for the Navy, advertising copy and recruiting stuff like that. She went on to write a play that was made into a movie with Jayne Mansfield. It was called Promises! Promises! Not to be confused with the Broadway show Promises, Promises. We got to go on the set of movie and meet Jayne Mansfield and watch her movie get made. That was pretty cool. So, she was a writer. Then she became a mom and a business owner. I had an older brother, two years older and oops baby sister, eight years younger. That was our family. We lived in a house that my parents owned. I think they bought it for $3,000 in Palm Springs. Yeah, I lived in that house till I left home.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=152.87,208.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Would you tell us where you went to school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=210.3,214.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Well, first, I went to Catholic school which was really funny for a little Jewish kid. There was one other Jewish girl in the Catholic school. Actually, I just had my fiftieth high school reunion, and she was there. We remembered being in Catholic school together. We were sent outside whenever they were doing religious stuff to read because we were the two kids who already knew how to read. But my dad had a heart attack when I was four, and my mom couldn't take care of me at home. My brother was already in kindergarten and the only school that would take us was the Catholic school. I was in Catholic school for kindergarten and first grade. Then I went to elementary school in Palm Springs, junior high, high school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=214.11,256.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Graduated from high school after my junior year and left town.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=256.91,260.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was it like growing up in Palm Springs?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=260.4,263.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: It was hot. A lot of tourists, golfers, tennis players, Republicans, other people I couldn't relate to. There was a small cadre of anti- war peacenik stoners who hung out together. That was kind of my crowd. Palm Springs really seemed pretty small.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=263.19,291.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So you left at what age?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=292.54,295.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Sixteen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=295.04,295.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=295.74,295.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Yeah. I ran away from home at sixteen and went to San Francisco when it was the Summer of Love. Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair. I don't remember how long I was gone. Long enough to cause a lot of pain to my parents who had no idea where I was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=295.81,312.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When I came home, they weren't sure what to do with me. I had a cousin who was living in Israel, and he said, \"I'll take her.\" So they sent me to Israel. I lived there for two years, went as a volunteer after the Six-Day War in 1968.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=314.47,334.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What was your volunteer work?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=337.51,338.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Everything, I lived on Kibbutz. Worked in the kitchen, in the garden weeding, watering, washing dishes, grunt work. Learned a lot about what it means to be a Jewish people. I hadn't really thought of my Jewishness as a peoplehood before. It was like some kids are Catholics, some are Episcopalians, some are Jewish. I didn't really get that there was a whole other cultural identity to being Jewish. I definitely got that living in Israel for two years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=339.62,377.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you like living there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=377.66,378.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Yeah, I loved it up until they wanted to recruit me into the army and I thought probably not a good idea. I better go home.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=378.97,385.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You left there and went where?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=385.76,389.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: I left there. I went back to Palm Springs briefly. I'd been on my own for two years. It was very weird to have my mom wait up for me and worry about me and be mad at me and stuff for not coming home when she wanted. I wasn't ready to go to work so I thought, \"Well, how about college?\" I thought I'd like to go to Stanford, but I didn't have the grades for it so I went to Foothill Community College. When the U.S. invaded Cambodia, there was a big strike. I dropped out of school then. I don't know how much of this I want to get into. The anti-war movement and drug use were pretty interlaced. I got pretty heavy into doing speed and psychedelics and kind of burned my brain out a bit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=389.43,450.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Where were you living then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=450.54,452.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: I was living in Los Altos.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=452.66,454.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What took you to the Bay Area or south Bay Area?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=454.58,457.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: I thought I'd like to go to Stanford and so that got me up there. I never made it to Stanford. Yeah, I did some time in a nuthouse.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=457.9,474.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wow. Oh God. This whole chronology is sort of— Doesn't have much to do with lesbian community. I got strung out on drugs. I wasn't sure what to do. I went home to get rescued. My parents couldn't handle me. I was committed to residential rehab facility that I call a nuthouse. It was pretty corrupt and bizarre and I ran away from there. I was committed for six months. I stayed six weeks and went to live with some friends that I had met in college at Foothill who are still my friends and got a bad boyfriend. He was Jewish and Jewish men don't beat their wives. The fact that he was beating me up was— No one believed it. I thought, Oh, if I could just get him to Oregon, we could bake whole wheat bread and live in the country. He'd be peaceful and mellow and he wouldn't hit me anymore. So we came to Oregon and he kept doing that abusive battering stuff. I discovered the lesbians in Eugene. I enrolled at U of O, took women's studies, what there was of women's studies courses then. A women's health class. Here's where it gets happier.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=476.03,577.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was in a women's health class. We had been looking at cervixes and unshaved legs. We had a gay panel come to the class and Harriet Merrick was on that panel. She said, \"My name is Harriet and I'm a lesbian.\" I thought, \"Wow, actual human beings exist who are lesbians?\" I thought it was like, I don't know, werewolves or unicorns or something where it's one of those mythological creatures. I was like, \"Wow, a real person?\" I told the instructor after the class that that really brought up some issues for me and I'd like to talk about it. We went to Mama's Homefried Truckstop which was at Fourteenth and Alder where Pegasus Pizza is now. I think it's still there. Over herbal tea, I told her that it freaked me out that there was a lesbian and what did that mean? She said, \"I think you'd make a wonderful lesbian.\" I thought, \"Okay, I'll be one.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=578.29,649.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you remember who the instructor was?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=650.14,651.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: I can't remember her name. She had aviator glasses and fry boots. I remember that. I went back and looked in my— I had my transcripts to try and identify the course and I don't see a women's health class. I'm thinking it was maybe one of those workshop attached to a class kind of thing, a lab or something like that. I don't know, a guest speaker or something. I don't know who she was but thank the goddess for her. She was awesome, said the right thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=651.33,679.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In subsequent years, it's not a choice message has been a defense of queerness. That we just are who we are. I've felt like holding my tongue because I didn't want to disrupt that argument. But I felt like for me, it was very clearly a choice. I didn't want to deal with birth control anymore. I didn't want to deal with men's gaze. I didn't want to deal with men's energy. I didn't want to lose my power anymore. I didn't know how to do that around men. I just wanted to be a lesbian. I was calling myself a lesbian for quite a while before I ever did it with anybody. I didn't think that was the deciding factor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=683.76,729.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What year was that again?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=729.89,731.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: I think it was '73. Might have been toward the end of 1973 or beginning 1974. Right around then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=732.13,739.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How did you meet other lesbians in Eugene?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=739.85,742.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: There was a dance. I went to a dance and there were these women dancing with each other with short hair and no makeup. \"Oh, wow, you can do that? That's so cool.\" That was my first viewing of lesbians. Then when I started at the U of O, there was a practicum or something like that where you could work in the community. I worked at the Women's Center, that building is still standing barely at First and Washington Street. It's an old, ramshackle little, I don't know, house probably built in the 1920s. Old house. The first Rape Crisis Center was there. There was a huge poster, “Women Are Not Chicks” on the wall. We had a hotline and we had collective meetings. I was working there probably half the term before— At one of the collective meetings, this woman, Thea, I don't remember her last name. I haven't seen her in many decades, said, \"As a lesbian, I feel—\" I thought, I'm sitting in a room full of lesbians.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=742.88,819.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What was happening? Yeah. It kind of took me a while to get a clue.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=820.08,827.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How old were you then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=828.04,829.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Twenty-three. Yeah. I actually had a boyfriend at that time, a nice guy. He used to let us have dickless sex. He had long hair. He would let me braid his hair, comb his hair. He would swirly dance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=829.16,850.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We'd go to the gay bar together. He was so swishy and sweet and wonderful. He lived across the street from a collective household of lesbians who he bought his pot from, his marijuana when it was illegal back in the olden days. I started going across the street to score for him. Then I started staying there and not staying with him. Actually, it was Kitty Riley who went by the name of Raven who said to me, \"Would you like to make love with me?\" I said, \"Yes.\" And we did. I was official after that. Yeah. So that's how I met lesbians through social justice work and drugs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=850.38,897.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Were there any social events or dances at that time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=898.18,902.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Well, there had been that one dance where I saw women dancing with each other. I'm not sure what the context was for that. Some community thing and then there was the Women's Center. Those women socialized and had book exchanges and other interactions to sort of— it was very counterculture. It was like, \"Let's don't participate in the man's culture. Let's make our own and we'll have our own library.\" There wasn't a bookstore yet. Do self-exam and treat our own yeast infections and be independent and empowered.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=902.25,947.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, that was the message.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=948.35,949.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Where were you living? Did you move into that house?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=949.55,952.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: I didn't move into that house. I'm trying to remember my first— I remember living with some other students in a house at Tenth and Monroe. I moved around a lot. A lot of women did. I can't really remember where— once I moved out from living with Roger, I kind of moved a while around until I got on a lesbian softball team.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=952.2,981.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then the coach, oh, she was a hardcore butch and she was awesome. I was twenty-three, she was fifty-six, and I had a button that said, \"I like older women.\" I was so proud. She wanted to be my girlfriend. It was so great. I ended up living on her ranch. That was the CV Ranch. Her name was Gertrude Cassidy. We called her Trudy. Some people called her Gert. She and her former partner had got this ranch together, 250 acres out the Lorane Highway and raised cattle and were independent. She taught me how to use a chainsaw and drive a tractor and castrate bulls. It was awesome. I loved living on the ranch. You could hang out with your shirt off.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=982.3,1029.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My dog didn't have to be on a leash. It was heaven living on the ranch. There were seven or eight houses there that different women lived in at different times and formed community and played Shanghai Rummy with Trudy. She made her own wine and her own alcohol. I don't really know what it was. She distilled something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=1031.03,1054.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Do you know happened to her?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=1055.41,1056.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Yeah. She ended up getting Alzheimer's and died in the sort of recent past like maybe fifteen years ago or something like that. Her partner was Connie— can’t remember her last name. She had a sad demise. Was under nursing care and stuff at the end. I was just with her for a couple years. She wanted me to be monogamous and I was like, \"I'll try.\" But it was hard, so I couldn't. Yeah, I couldn't be. There was so many awesome women around. I couldn't just be with one. Yeah, took a lot of years before I was ready to just be with one person.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=1056.14,1104.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: It wasn't really part of the community's ethos about sexuality to be monogamous at the time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=1104.52,1110.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: “Non-monoga-me, non-monoga-you, non-monog-your friends at work and next door neighbors too, hey.” Yeah, it was sort of a popular way to be. Not everyone was non-monogamous. There was group sex events. Then there was a good joke going around about Southern women was, \"Why don't Southern women like to have group sex? Because no one wants to send all those thank you notes.\" So yeah, it was pretty open and free in that way. My experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=1110.71,1150.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: So we're about late ‘70s at this point?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=1150.06,1154.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=1154.09,1154.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Is that right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=1154.46,1155.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=1155.04,1155.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Can you describe maybe a typical weekend in the lesbian community in Eugene around that time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=1155.59,1163.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: I do have my calendars. I saved my calendars, which I'm happy to donate. Which women's music artists we went to see, which concert we went to, or softball games, or— I went to the bar, some, but not much. Wasn't really good environment for me. Being around the smoking and drinking wasn't really great. I was pretty much a health nut. Gosh, I think it was 1976 that I started at Starflower. I think I wrote that down on something. Anyway, I was working at Starflower which was women owned and controlled natural foods collective. Let me correct that, worker owned and controlled natural foods collective. We distributed natural foods. This is before you could get a rice cake at Safeway. It was very revolutionary to have unprocessed and natural foods, whole grains and organically grown foods. It was very social-change oriented and there were anywhere from twenty-five to thirty-five of us at any given time. Workers there ran the warehouse, drove the trucks, bought the food, sold the food, distributed to food buying clubs and co-ops and stuff. That became a social network. If there was a Starflower party, we all went there. We knew the food was going to be the same kind of food we distribute. You could go to any friend's refrigerator and there'd be the Tillamook cheese and all this stuff that we sold, the organic sunflower seeds and whatever. I remember there was a big controversy, \"Should we sell the carob chips?\" Carob is so called alternative chocolate. This is before chocolate was acceptable socially. “Should we sell the carob chips with the brown sugar in them?” It's because sugar was not seen as revolutionary food. So, we stayed away from sugar. We ended up carrying it. A lot of people wanted it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=1163.15,1296.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anyway, so a typical weekend would be a Starflower party, go to a softball game. We used to have Sagittarius parties. Laurie McLean, rest her soul, was the instigator. We used to say, \"Let's have a Sagittarius party and I'll sit around and talk about how great we are.\" We did that. Various adventures. I don't know, depends on the weekend but a lot of us were training in martial arts together at that time in Amazon Kung Fu.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=1297.22,1336.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: That was a martial arts school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=1337.47,1340.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: There was a martial arts school run by Barbara Bones and Joyce Towne. I don't know if you're going to be able to interview either of them. But they were both black belts in Chuan Fa Kung Fu. They opened a school and we trained there and learn to hit and take a hit and defend ourselves. That was really empowering and exciting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=1340.2,1361.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sweating together and working out and getting strong and building our muscles and comparing our bruises. “If you see me walking down the street, and I start a fight, each time we meet, black my eye, black my eye. Just hit me with your left hand, let it fly. The chops and the kicks and the punches really get me high. So black my eye.” Yeah, like that. That song really got me in a lot of trouble. Introduced me to a whole new world. I was training in Kung Fu at Amazon Kung Fu School. There was a Kung Fu weekend competition, demonstration and workshops kind of thing of all different martial arts forms. Our school gave a demonstration.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=1362.96,1415.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Of course I had to sing that song. Everyone's super serious doing our martial arts stuff, \"And now Hayfield will sing a song.\" I sang that song and these two women came up to me afterwards and said, \"Would you like to come down to our campsite and talk?\" I said, \"Sure.\" They were totally into bondage and other SM stuff that I had no idea about. Didn't know it even existed, had never heard of it. They were telling me about all this stuff they do with and to each other. I'm trying to act cool like, Oh. Well, where am I? What's happening? It kind of opened up another world for me like, Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=1415.79,1454.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sexuality is more than just what I had known and that people played with power and trust and discipline and surrender in whole different ways. I got involved in the scene about that for a while.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=1455.51,1470.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was a group called Portland Power and Trust that I went to from Eugene. That was women who were exploring and experiencing exchange of power. I guess that would be the way to say it. I went to some parties there and stuff. One time came home with a very bruised behind and decided, Kind of had enough of that. That was fun but—. Yeah. It wasn't really my core erotic modality. Although I did write a porno piece for On Our Backs from my experience with that. That was kind of fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=1470.41,1516.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Before we get too far away from Starflower, can you tell us what was your job at Starflower?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=1516.52,1522.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Starflower, at the time we were on Lawrence Street that's right up by the railroad tracks in Eugene. We had a big warehouse that had a huge refrigerator unit where we'd store the cheese. I was a warehouser. I was hired as a warehouser. That means unloading fifty pound bags from tracks and using a pallet jack and stacking bags and loading trucks to go out on runs. Singing in the warehouse, I have a whole stack I will give you of Starflower songs about cheese and grain. There's a Starflower natural anthem. I'd be happy to sing for you. Would you like to hear that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=1523.72,1577.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Please.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=1577.64,1577.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Okay. “Oh, sesame seed, pinto beans and brown rice, what so proudly we stock to the six o'clock meeting. Invoices and phone calls handled by the deskies, while the truckers on runs were so gallantly driving and the per cheese beware bookie say cash ain’t there still margins must rise while our prices stay fair. Oh say does that Starflowered banner yet wave, o’r the land of the cheese and home of the grain.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=1577.66,1627.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=1628.38,1629.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Very good, thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=1631.5,1633.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Starflower was a great place to learn about socialism. We tried to have a socialist business in a capitalist culture, which was very tricky, but we shared power in governance of the business. My role at first was strictly working in the warehouse, doing all the heavy lifting kind of jobs. Then, I had a back injury and so I needed to find work that wasn't with all the lifting and stuff. I started being the on the road sales representative, traveling around to all the different workshops— co-ops—is what I meant, all the different co- ops and natural food stores and letting them know what was available. Kind of being the face of our business out in the community, which posed quite a quandary, Like, Should I wear a bra? Can I wear my Birkenstocks. Like, how much of myself can I reveal when I'm out there? But Starflower was very out about who we were and that we were mostly lesbians, except for dear Chip, our gay man receptionist who was great. All these dykes lifting bags and diving tracks and, there’s Chip. He'd get on the loudspeaker and sing little songs into the warehouse, would come out over the loudspeaker. Yeah, he was very acceptable, man. I thought he was great. Anyway—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=1633.1,1728.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How many people worked at Starflower when you were—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=1728.85,1731.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: I think sometimes they were as few as twenty-five and then as many as thirty-five at different times. In the collective meetings, we'd be learning things about business management. After my back injury, I took more of that kind of responsibility and learned a lot about how to facilitate a collective meeting or a meeting in general.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=1732.4,1756.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How to make an agenda, how to keep people to their time and other things that are still useful to this day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=1756.26,1764.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: How did Starflower get started?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=1764.33,1766.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: There were a couple of people who had a truck— I'm not the most reliable person for this part of the history because I came along after it was already going, but I think it was the rennetless cheese.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=1767.23,1783.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They were able to make vegetarian cheese, so it didn't have animal rennet in it. They were distributing that and it was popular. I think they started doing herbs and spices early on, before there was a warehouse. They were just doing it out of Charlie and Debbie Glass’ house I think. It was the very beginning. But it always had the vision of being a worker-owned and controlled collective and not being a top down management style business.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=1783.61,1815.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you remember your interview?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=1815.44,1817.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Yes, I do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=1817.13,1819.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you tell us about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=1819.18,1819.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Yes. I wrote a whole piece about it in one of the Women’s Press [issue] that I think I gave you, yeah. Or maybe it's in the copy I still have at home but I will give it to you. Well, just to back up a hair, one of the times that I was at Mama's Homefried Truckstop at Fourteenth and Alder, in Eugene. The collective meetings were held there and I'd see these women, these tough, well spoken, outspoken women running this business and making decisions together then \"I want to be part of that.\" So, when I heard there was an opening, I went to fill out an application. I heard back after my application was accepted that there were five of us who were going to be interviewed for a position. There were two positions open, and they had five people to interview. I went to the bar that night, and there were three of the other applicants were there and we started talking about how excited and anxious we were about interviewing for a job at Starflower because Starflower, was like, \"Wow, the greatest.\" We decided that in order to break down the anxiety and the alienation we'd feel going in there one at a time, we would go into our interviews together as a group. At my 6:00 PM appointed time for my interview, all five of us walked in, and they were a little taken aback but also curious. We told them that we would like to be interviewed together if we could, and they said, \"Can we talk about that for half an hour and let you know?\" \"Okay.\" We all went out and sat on the stairs and pat each other on the back and said, \"Yes, we did this really great thing.\" They came out and said, \"Okay, sure, come on in.\" They asked us questions about feminist analysis, class analysis, and our feelings about working with men was one of the questions because there were some there at that time. It was mostly about politics and working together. I had been reading Mao’s little red book On Practice, and said that you can't learn something unless you're doing it, and so we wanted to have socialist values and so how could we learn about them if we weren't doing them? That's why we wanted to be interviewed together. It was to do it. That was great. The interview was pretty high and exciting and fun to talk about being able to work in that kind of— with those values of being socialist. They then sent us out, then they had us each come back in very briefly for a moment, and then a few days later, I got a phone call. I was one of the people that was hired. Sydney Putnam and I were hired there and it was pretty thrilling. Very thrilling time. I don't know, when I read the piece that I wrote about it, I didn't write about what happened to the other three applicants and if we stayed connected or not. I can't really remember even who they were. But there was a detail about it at the bar that night when we decided to do this rebellious thing of going into the interview together. Paula Jo had been there and we told her about it. She was working at Starflower and she said she supported us and thought it was a good idea. When we all walked in there, all five of us, she said, \"I think they have something to say, let's give them a chance.\" We had an ally on the inside to go into that review.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=1819.69,2058.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had been out of college for a little while, been trying to find a job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=2059.89,2064.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My degree was in broadcasting and I was trying to find a job in broadcasting because I wanted to eradicate sexism from television, which you can see I've been very successful at. I couldn't find a job and in my piece that I was just rereading one of the interviewers, that one of these other awful job interviews said, \"You're too cute to be in production work. You should be somewhere you could be seen.” It was just so weird. I was like, \"I don't want to work in an environment where I have to put on uncomfortable clothes to even do an interview and stifle myself.\" It was so great to work somewhere where they really wanted you to be your whole-self with your visions of what the future could be in. Yeah, it was an awesome interview.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=2064.99,2117.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: How long did you work there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=2117.37,2118.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Seven years. Very formative years and I'm close friends with a lot of the people that I worked with there, Judy, being one. And Paula Jo, still, too, and other people. It was very bonding. I feel like we grew up then. That was our more learning how to be responsible for who we were in the world and how to make our way without depending on anyone else to bail us out. It was bonding.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=2118.79,2151.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you remember specific conflicts amongst people who worked at Starflower?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=2151.2,2154.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Like when we all had our period at the same time? Yeah, what I remember of the conflicts at Starflower were mostly about breaking up and jealousy. There were all these awesome women working together. Always there were a few men I should acknowledge, there were some men at some times, but there were so many awesome women who were just strong and muscular and doing good things. It was hard to not be attracted to each other. Jealousies arose. We had to deal with that stuff. I think that was probably the worst of it and the conflict of the brown sugar and the carob chips. I mean, can you really be a socialist and make a profit? That was really what it came down to. It was very challenging.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=2154.78,2210.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Was there any conflict over pay or class or responsibilities?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=2210.89,2216.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: I remember a conflict about the bra— What's it called stipend or something, that some of the women who drove trucks needed to have good bras because the trucks are bouncy, and good bras are expensive. They felt like as part of their work requirements to drive this truck, that they should be able to get a bra. Other women felt like, \"Well, she gets whatever it was, $16 or whatever much it was to buy a bra, then I should get the $16.\" There was some of that. We had money for childcare for the women who had kids. So what about women who don't have kids? Should they get some money too? Those kind of things came up. We had a draw shelf if we broke a bag and we couldn't sell it. We would just give it to ourselves as workers and keep it on the draw shelf. If you were out of rice, you could go take a bag of rice or whatever. There was conflict over, “Oh, I saw so and so taking two pounds of cheese and I thought we were only supposed to take the stuff that had been moldy and we had to trim it.” I don't know, kind of trying to just work out entitlements like what could we really afford ourselves?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=2217.25,2295.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And where did we have to have some discipline around not indulging in things that we couldn't really afford to do. Some stuff like that. We got olive oil in fifty-five gallon drums and we would decant it into five gallon containers we called deltangulars. When you're filling deltangular, you sit on a little bench almost like a milking stool and you're decanting the oil on a tap into the smaller container. It takes a long time. So you'll have enough time to get up and go the bathroom. Will you have enough time to go have a conversation and sometimes you'd forget that you had this oil running and the oil would spill everywhere. We would have to deal with that and make some rules about, \"You have to stay there if the tap is open,\" and stuff like that. Yeah, just protecting the product and each other. Figuring out how to express our feelings, We had lessons in criticism, self-criticism, we shared the book.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=2296.27,2362.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"When you let the oil run over, I feel angry because there's goes our profits of oil we can't sell, therefore, I want you to stay by the oil drum when the tap is open.\" Learned how to say it in a way that wasn't blamey and just expressed your own feelings using I statements, that kind of stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=2363.18,2383.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Takes a lot of energy to do that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=2383.31,2383.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Yeah. I think we put a lot of— I'll speak for myself. I put a lot of faith in those skills that we said we needed to learn, like, okay, criticism, self-criticism. If I'm having a fight with a girlfriend and she says, \"You always” or “You never,\" then I say, \"Now let's rephrase that.” Try to actually follow that stuff because how can you get along with each other if you're shaming and blaming? I learned a lot about how to relate to people. Yeah. There was a hole in the wall. Actually, the person who kicked the hole in the wall at our first gathering here. I don't know if you've had a chance to interview her yet. But anyway, I said, \"We had the memorial Sherri Yeager hole in the wall from where you kick that hole.\" She explained to me what a frustrating day she'd had. She'd been on a trucking run and she just came back and someone was getting on her case. She was so angry. She just kicked the wall and didn't know that the drywall was going to give way and her foot was going to go through. There was always this hole. It was like, \"Our anger hole. Manage your anger because you don't want to kick holes on our wall.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=2383.67,2454.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So Starflower, did you work there till it closed?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=2454.19,2461.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: I think it closed maybe a couple years after I left. I left to— went back to grad school. I felt like I needed to move on, what was happening? Well, for one thing, we had been very successful in getting people to eat natural foods and they were becoming more widely available. The competition for our products— we couldn't keep up. The huge distributors were taking over. The mainstream grocery stores were carrying our products, which was great for sales, but they wanted to buy from people who could supply them with tons of things that we could only supply hundreds of pounds of, that kind of stuff. It was starting to go downhill and I sort of saw the writing on the wall that Starflower was not long for the world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=2461.86,2514.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It had changed. We, in desperation, had hired outside management to come in and try to whip us into shape to be able to survive the changing times. That created a kind of a top down structure that wasn't really— Are we just a food distributor, are we just a business? Is that when it's come down to? That wasn't really what I wanted to do. So I left, I'm going to have a hard time with years, I think in '84 and came to the U of O to go to grad school. Got my master’s here. Starflower I think ended in '86 or '87 or something right around then. Not sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=2515.2,2559.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What did you get your masters in?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=2559.56,2559.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Leisure Studies and Services, it's called, which always sounds to me like learning how to sit in the hammock. Which is not that bad of an idea but that wasn't really what I studied. It's kind of like parks and rec hospitality, that kind of stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=2560.14,2574.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Why did you choose that? What were you seeing as your future?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=2574.5,2577.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: I saw that they were offering me a full scholarship and kind of recruited me. I was thinking about grad school. I wasn't sure I thought maybe speech pathology or something like that. My undergraduate, the broadcasting studies were in the Speech Department, I thought maybe I could do something there and it turned out— it’s a spider— it turned out the Leisure Studies and Services Program was heavily recruiting and had some grant money to fund people. There was a program on, in therapeutic recreation, which was the path that I went on and ended up doing my internship with Susan Sygall at Mobility International— international exchange for people with disabilities. That was political enough for me to get behind it. It was exciting to be able to advocate for marginalized people. We had Ellen Knepper who has since died. Was a disability advocate activist when I was at Starflower. She used to have us do things like wear goggles that had Vaseline on them, or walk around the warehouse in a wheelchair or other things to help us learn about what life was like for people with disabilities. I had a little bit of consciousness about disability rights from that. That's what I thought I would do with my degree and ended up working at Willamette AIDS Council, which was not exactly it, but it was also when the homophobia of the burgeoning AIDS pandemic was so obviously needing to be dealt with. That's where I found work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=2577.36,2691.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you want to tell us a little bit about the work there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=2691.67,2693.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Okay. Well, thank goodness for all that sexual exploration I'd done because I had to do a lot of talking about semen and anal sex and cunt juice and other things that would help me help other people learn about safer sex and AIDS prevention stuff, and to talk about the spread of HIV when it wasn't being publicly talked about. You couldn't get a condom like you can now. You had to get it from a pharmacist and ask for it. I mean, it was really weird. A lot of sex negativity and homophobia were making it impossible to talk about how to protect ourselves and each other. I was doing educational outreach and teaching people how to put condoms on bananas and where to get lube and writing grants for condoms and other safe sex stuff. I actually had a safe sex kit in a little gold lame suitcase with different kinds of water soluble personal lubricants and a dildo and condoms and dental dams. I can't remember everything else, latex gloves and stuff. That became part of The Sound of Lesbians show was the Maria of— The Von Tramp family that was the center of the show of Sound of Lesbians.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=2693.61,2785.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you tell us about The Sound of Lesbians?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=2785.89,2787.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Yeah. Here's the Sound of Lesbians. The Sound of Lesbians. It was my lesbian musical comedy parody of The Sound of Music. It was originally inspired when my friend, Laura Philips, and her girlfriend, Liz Rosenblatt and I went up to Portland to see JoAnne Loulan who was a lesbian sex therapist, give a talk and workshop on lesbian sexuality. Part of the workshop was we broke up into small groups. In those small groups, we were supposed to talk about what we liked and what we fantasized about sexually, which was pretty hot. On the drive home, Laura and Liz and I had all been in different groups and were talking about all the different things that women had said. The next thing you know, “My Favorite Things” song was written in the car on the way home.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=2787.68,2838.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[singing] “Labia like roses and whiskers on women, licking her cunt till I feel like I’m swimmin’, lovers in leather all tied up with strings, these are a few of my favorite things.” It went like that. I said to Laura, \"We should do the whole musical.\" She said, \"No, we should do one song from all the different musicals.\" So we split ways creatively, and I ended up writing this and performing it. I got through fifteen paid performances of the whole show The Sound of Lesbians before I was called by Rodgers and Hammerstein’s copyright attorney and ordered to cease and desist. But it was pretty fun and I got to take out my safe sex kit and have Maria teach the Von Tramp family all about safe sex.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=2838.47,2887.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Where did you perform it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=2888.26,2889.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=2890.76,2890.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Willamette Street Theater, which no longer exists, which was on Willamette Street between Broadway and Tenth. It was a little theater house that was started by Steve Bove who had—also dearly departed—who had been in a comedy group called Live Matinee.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=2891.14,2911.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That comedy group was sort of like Eugene's resident comedy troupe. They put on shows frequently and Steve was a movie buff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=2911.54,2922.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He got this theater so he could have— show films and have Live Matinee perform there and have other local artists perform there. I was booked to perform there. I have some videos of that show. I can share. I also traveled around, I did a wedding, I did a couple of other parties, and can't remember all the different places I performed. But that was the one actual theater.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=2923.76,2951.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, after I got the cease and desist order from this obvious lesbian who was the attorney for Rodgers and Hammerstein, she said, \"Not that I think it's not funny, but—\" So I said, \"Oh, but I already have the show booked.\" She said, \"Well, don't tell anybody but you can have this one last show and then that's it, cease and desist.\" I had posters for the show with banned, a banner that said \"Banned\" across the front. It happened to be Banned Books week at the bookstores. They all put my poster up with this \"Banned\" across the front. I had a really good crowd at the WOW Hall and performed it, my final performance of Sound of Lesbians there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=2951.15,2995.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Will you sing us a song?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=2995.1,2995.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Sure. Well, here they are. Would you like to make a selection?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=2995.8,3001.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: While Julee looks at that, let me ask you—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3001.28,3003.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3003.88,3004.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: You studied broadcasting. Where did your talent come for this kind of performance?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3005.78,3012.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Well, my mom had been a writer and my dad had been a performer. My dad, when he was growing up, his both sets of grandparents are from the old country in Russia, Jewish immigrants. His mother ran a boarding house out of their home and would house the black entertainers who would come through Chicago, who weren't allowed to stay in the segregated hotels. So, as a little kid, my dad would be in this boarding house and hear the black comedy acts rehearsing for their shows. He memorized their shticks and that was our bedtime stories of these old comedy routines. I think that was always just sort of almost genetically inherited stuff from my dad. Making up parodies, I guess I just have always done it. I— somehow making fun of stuff was the way to take the— I don't know. Take the sting out of difficult things. If you could make it funny, it was survivable. I think there was a thread of that. I mean, I wrote so many songs about the warehouse.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3012.38,3094.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"“I've got a friend in cheeses,” “Bringing in the cheese” and all those warehouse songs and trucking songs and songs about natural foods and stuff. Yeah, just whatever I've done, I've kind of written songs about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3094.77,3110.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So the titles are on there, but why don't you do Maria? Since, uh—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3110.02,3114.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Okay. Oh, the titles are on here? You didn't get them? Oh, I'm sorry, I gave you the wrong thing. Okay. Well, The Sound of Lesbians is the story of the lesbian sex therapist named Maria—as you can see where these things came from—who goes to live with the family in Veneta, a collective household in Veneta called the Von Tramp Family. They're having hard times. They need to have a lesbian sex therapist come and teach them about things. Well, actually, I should start at the very beginning. Maria goes into this collective household and as I'm— Okay. Maria is in the Von Tramp household and she sings.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3114.37,3161.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[singing:] “Let's start at the very beginning, a very good place to start, when you read you begin with ABC, when you sing you be— Sorry. When you read you begin with ABC, with sex you begin with me, me me, me, me, me. The first three steps just happen to be me, me, me, me, me, me. Me, me, me, me, me, me, me. Come, I'll make it easier for you. Me a queer, a female queer, me , hardcore lesbian, me the one who loves myself. Me who wants to have some fun. Me, who knows what's in my head? Me who understands my needs. Me who like a friend in bed that will bring us back to me, me, me, me.” That's how that song went. They have their various lessons and workshops and hands-on experience with their lesbian sex therapist. One night little Gretel comes in and says, \"Maria, I just am having this really hard time. I don't know what to do, and here's what's going on with me. [singing:] “How do you deal with your dysmenorrhea? How does it feel to give your cramps a name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3162.1,3243.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How do you deal with your dysmenorrhea? The irritable moods, the blood on the sheets, the pain. Many a month you've wished that it was over. Many a month you've longed for menopause, but what can you do today to make the pain go away? A Tylenol 3, Advil, or Anprox? Oh, how do you deal with your dysmenorrhea? How do you cope with periodic blahs? When I have my bloods, I feel so disgusting, it's unreal and I cannot handle any kind of stress. Breast so tender and so sore, do not touch me anymore. All my sexy panties are a bloody mess. Oh, how do you deal with your dysmenorrhea? How can you be slut with PMS?” The show goes through all the songs of the Broadway musical until it reaches the grand finale. Here I am doing this show in a theater with the audience full of all kinds of people. Not just my personal fans but a crowd. The grand finale, they all sing this song and it becomes a big audience sing-along in the spirit of unity and all that brings us together and all that we have in common, and all that we share. [singing:]“Clitoris, clitoris, every morning you greet me, small and good, shaft and hood, you look happy to meet me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3243.58,3337.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Button of joy may you swell and grow, swell and grow forever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3338.74,3348.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Clitoris, clitoris, bless our bodies forever.” Then I would sing it again and the whole audience would sing along. You need to hear these deep men's voices singing along. Wasn't this the greatest moment? When the show was over, I didn't have to be nervous anymore. It's was the final number. First of all, I've long felt like the clitoris is so under-publicized. Anyone can draw a picture of male genitalia, but what we have is more complicated. I felt like it was a personal mission to try and give some cred to the clit. That was the finale of the show. It was pretty fun. A lot of my different experiences got to layer in and be part of it. I really enjoyed doing it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3349.3,3406.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sorry. I just recently had a visit from my cousin and his boyfriend, my cousin who's twenty-nine and his boyfriend who's thirty. I'm like the old relic homo dyke auntie kind of cousin. I told him about this and they said, \"Oh, can we watch it?\" So we, last month, just sat and watched the whole thing together. I was like, \"Oh, God, what was I thinking? What nerve did I have in those days?\" They really liked it. It was really fun. In such a different era, for young people having sex in the 2000-teens compared to how it was for me in the ‘70s and ‘80s. Anyway, yeah, that's The Sound of Lesbians.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3407.85,3458.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So you've done a lot of—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3458.91,3460.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3460.65,3461.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Thank you, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3461.25,3461.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: You're welcome","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3461.59,3461.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You've done a lot of entertaining in town. Are we too far away chronologically from WYMPROV!?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3461.71,3469.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: No, not too far. Let's see. Sound of Lesbians— God, I'm horrible with dates. I'm sorry to say. At some point when that was over, there was a comedian who came to town who was giving a workshop after her standup act. That was Karen Williams. Enid and I and a few other people went to the workshop that was after the comedy show called Healing with Humor. It was essentially improv games that we were playing in this workshop. Laura Philips was in that group and a handful of other people. It was really fun. The games were fun. They were silly and goofy, an everyone-can-do-it kind of thing. We said, \"Let's keep doing it.” We got together and got space in the community centers. I don't know, I don't think it was once a week, but maybe twice a month we were getting together to play these improv games. At the time, which I'm sorry, I can't tell you the year. Maybe 1990-ish. Yeah, must have been. There was a group called One Common Thread that put on women's coffee houses in different locations. They one time had Condon School, which was now Agate Hall, a university outbuilding on Agate and Eighteenth, Nineteenth, right in there, in the big auditorium, cafetorium, I think it probably was before. They were having the coffeehouse there and they needed a performer. They said, \"Hey, how would this group that's been getting together to play improv games together like to perform for the coffeehouse?\" The rats jumped the ship and the five of us who were left decided we would be a comedy troupe and we'd go perform. We went and had publicity photos taken, and at the last minute, the fifth one who worked in the school district said she couldn't risk being an out lesbian in a lesbian comedy troupe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3469.01,3606.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We had to just cut the photo. We were all lined up, we had been in the Ben Linder room at the UO all lined up over the railing, all our faces like this, five faces. We just sliced her out and made a stack so there's two faces and two faces. Would be the four of us for our first publicity shot. We performed at that coffee house and people were just in the aisles, well, there were no aisles but there were people rolling, laughing, it was so much fun. We had a great time doing it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3606.99,3633.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We said, \"So I guess we're a comedy troupe.\" We performed together for seventeen years. Is that right? No, twenty-seven years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3633.96,3644.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Twenty-seven years, we just— last November of 2017. No, April of 2018 was supposed to be our final show. It was supposed to be a show. We thought it would probably be our final show. We were in rehearsal for that show and we were getting ready to sign the contract. We looked around at each other and said, \"Not sure I want to keep doing this. I'd be okay if we didn't.\" Everyone said, \"Yeah, but we have this whole rehearsal schedule. Let's still get together to play.\" After twenty-seven years of performing improv comedy together, we decided to become a Mahjong group. Now we play Mahjong once a week and we're still very bonded.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3645.55,3689.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: All Women's Health?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3689.15,3694.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Yeah. Sorry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3694.02,3698.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You were the director of that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3698.91,3700.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: I was development director.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3700.23,3702.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Development director.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3702.15,3702.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3702.38,3703.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How did you end up working there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3703.11,3704.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Let's see. This was 1992. The Feminist Women's Health Center in Portland was opening a satellite clinic in Eugene to do abortions and other reproductive healthcare. I can't even remember how I heard about it, but I went and said, \"I'll do anything. I want to be part of a feminist organization, and I believe in women's reproductive rights. What can I do?\" \"Will you raise money?\" I said I would and they said, \"Okay.\" Which I had done for other things, the various political campaigns that we didn't talk about. If you're not afraid to raise money, you can have a job pretty much anywhere. I went to work there and was doing community building, going around to classes doing workshops, showing women how to do self-exam and yeah. Kind of stayed a common thread of my other experience. We were firebombed by Shelley Shannon who was just recently released from prison. So it's a little bit scary times coming back again now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3704.79,3788.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Can you explain what that was?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3788.71,3788.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Yeah, Shelley Shannon was an anti-abortion vigilante from Grants Pass, Oregon who believed that killing abortion doctors or people who worked in clinics that did abortion was holy work. She shot an abortion doctor in both his arms who actually came back to work the next week. Never showed any remorse for doing that and has a lot of support that what she was doing was good and holy work to save the babies kind of thing. She was sentenced to prison. I can't remember how many years she did, many. She just was released now in 2018. She's back out there. She has massive financial support from the anti-abortion movement and they're frighteningly gaining a lot of traction and power right now. So that's happening.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3789.87,3865.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you want to go back and talk about the measures and what that was like for you during the roll- coaster of those?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3866.96,3874.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Hmm… okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3874.41,3875.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: You were here for Referendum 51, weren't you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3875.87,3881.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: [singing:] “Fight for your rights gay men and lesbians on May twenty-third. Vote no on 51.” There you go. Yes. I was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3881.51,3888.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Many people weren't here for 51, so maybe that was the—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3888.64,3889.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Yeah. The city council, I believe it was of Eugene had passed protections in Housing and Public Accommodation and Employment. You can be discriminated against on the basis of, I think at that time, they were saying sexual preference. Those protections were challenged and defeated in Measure 51. We organized a campaign to protect the protections, but we weren't able to succeed. But I remember going door to door with Laurie McLain I had a little button that said, \"What do gay people want?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3889.86,3947.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ask me.\" I said to Laurie, \"What do we want? I don't know. What do we want? Good food. I don't know.\" She said, \"Well, we want equal rights, Sally.” It's so okay.\" Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3947.22,3961.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I thought all the campaigns were really helpful for galvanizing our community and getting people to take a stand if they were allies. I think it was first Measure 9. The U of O football team came out against Measure 9, which was a ballot initiative in Oregon to change our state constitution to say that homosexuality was wrong, unnatural, abnormal, and perverse. That would have been in our constitution. The football team of all people said, \"That's un- sportsman-like. That's not okay.\" Then allies really started coming out of the woodwork. It was still a pretty closetey time for a lot of people. I was never in the closet, so it wasn't my experience. But there were a lot of people who were afraid to let anyone know that they were gay or lesbian or bi or trans, or any other sexuality that wasn't so-called mainstream or identity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=3968.76,4036.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Having to fight these horrible ballot measures, I was like, \"Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=4039.69,4044.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You can be out about who you are, and you can be out about who you stand up for, because you have to be. That's the only way we're going to defeat this you can't defeat it in the closet.\" Also, Harvey Milk, his voice was heard pretty well nationally of, \"You have to burst down those closet doors.” That's the only way. People were coming out, both as queer and as allies. I thought that was very heartening. Of course, I wrote a lot of funny songs and was able to perform those songs at fundraisers for the campaigns and that felt useful. Something that I could that would help lift the mood, it was pretty horrible. I remember, probably the worst thing for me was I had read some horrible— I think it was in a voter's pamphlet. God, what was the guy's name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=4044.87,4098.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Scott Lively or Lon Mabon?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=4098.44,4100.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Not them. There was a guy— I can't remember his name but I do have a song about Scott and Lon. Happy to sing it. Anyway, Cameron, Paul Cameron. He had all these horrible lies about gay people in the voters pamphlet. \"Homosexuals consume 2.4 pounds of feces a year.” Horrible, horrible stuff like that. I remember I was having sex with Enid and I just had this momentary flash of \"Am I horrible?\" It was just brief and you couldn't have a more self- loving, self-accepting person than I am, but the fact that it would even just drift through my consciousness at that moment. I was like, \"Okay, these people really have to be stopped. This is damaging to the soul. I'm at very low risk of anything bad happening to me for coming out because I've been so out. But there are people that would lose their kids or lose their jobs or be kicked out of their houses or whatever and feel like they were a bad person and deserved it somehow.\" That moment was bad, but the overall effect to me of all those campaigns was that more people felt compelled to find their pride and self-confidence and their voice as a queer person. So, I thank the OCA in that way. I mean, they're horrible people, a “basket of deplorables.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=4100.91,4200.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How did you feel about the marriage equality movement?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=4202.18,4209.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: That was exciting for me. WYMPROV! had a song. [singing:] “We're getting married in Hawaii. Ding dong, the bells are going to chime.” We were pretty excited when it looked like Hawaii was going to make marriage equality a reality.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=4210.42,4225.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: I think that was 1993?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=4225.25,4227.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: That sounds right. Maybe a little bit later. Don't quote me. The conservative convention came to Hawaii to stop the marriage equality that was looking like it was going to pass and fought it and defeated it. Then it was, I think Vermont, was going to do civil unions. Each state was trying to pass something. I was writing my column for Eugene Weekly then and it really gave me a platform and a voice to speak out in favor. I had little bit of qualms about, \"Oh, is it a heterosexual institution? Do we want to just mimic what straight people do?\" But I saw the bigger impact of— people understood what marriage was and people who didn't understand gay people or lesbians for sure, like, \"What do they do?\" Could get marriage that resonated with people in a way that really made a difference. I think it was the marriage equality movement and struggle and message that caused the shift that we experience now, I think. I can anywhere refer to Enid as my wife and people go, \"Oh. That's so nice, and I have a gay son.\" It's like it opens the door and it's very acceptable to be married and to refer to your partner as your spouse. Not that I've wanted to be mainstream, but I've wanted to change the world. That seemed to be an effective way to do it. Of course, lot of nasty stuff was flung around, still is about why we shouldn't have equal rights. There's a lot of dehumanizing attempts, but I don't think they can be successful now because the page turned.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=4227.78,4357.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You got married before marriage, do you want to talk about your wedding?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=4358.79,4362.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Oh, sure. Yeah. “My big fat Jewish wedding.” Yes. June 21, 1998.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=4362.42,4372.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When it looked like Hawaii was going to make marriage legal, I got down on one knee and I asked Enid, who I'd been with for ten years already, I had a little ring that came from a gumball machine that had a dime in it. I said, \"With this dime-in-ring, will you marry me?\" She said, \"Yes.\" We started meeting with our Rabbi to talk about getting married. It was a big issue for him. He said, \"Well, you could call it a covenant of the heart. You could do it in a park.\" \"We want to call it a wedding and do it in the shul, in the synagogue.\" He struggled with it. We met with him many times before he embraced it. It was worth having that struggle because we love him dearly and see him as our spiritual leader and we wanted him on board with us. When he finally did come around, we started planning the wedding. We had it as traditional as it could be considering it was two women. We followed the order of the marriage ceremony that's part of Jewish tradition. We had a Ketubah wedding document written up that followed the text, no alternative stuff. Because, if you are entitled to the real deal, then you want to have something alternative to that. But if you're not entitled to it, you want it. Yeah. We had our friends, Kate and Amy, designed the invitations and the thank-you cards. Our friend Georgie made our outfits. We had sky blue and white robes with peace and love in Hebrew embroidered on the collars. We really got into it, planning it. It was so fun. I got a Martha Stewart wedding planner magazine out of some dentist's office or something and it said, \"Well, if you manage things carefully, you could have a very nice wedding for only $10,000.\" I was like, \"What?\" “Wah!” We had a whole different idea of how we're going to do it. Our friend Kathy Buckalew, the famous lesbian photographer, came from Delaware to be our wedding photographer. We had flowers from our garden be the flowers. We actually paid a Klezmer band. We were members of the synagogue, so the hall was free. Our friend Cina Kraft who's a DJ on KLCC, the local National Public Radio affiliate, catered. A friend of ours made cakes for us, donated the cakes. We had a cake sampling before the wedding. I can't remember all the little details. Wedding planning, it was such a foreign thing. It had never been in my life script to be a bride. We used to go to the beach and practice stomping on shells so we could break the glass together, how we were going to do it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=4372.86,4574.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Whose right foot and whose left foot standing next to each other so we could smash the glass at the end of the ceremony. All the negotiating and planning that we did to figure out and stuff like the guest list and all those things. I wanted everybody and Enid wanted a small intimate group. I think we ended up with about seventy people there. It was really fun. The traditional ceremony has seven blessings. We had seven different friends of ours stand and read those blessings. David Helphand played the harp as people were entering and it was just lovely and high and wonderful. Joan Bayless and Irwin Noparstak were our wedding planners. Well, actually, John was the wedding planner and Irwin was “her lovely assistant” as he wanted to be called. They had just come back from Hawaii the day before our wedding (though we had met with them for months before planning everything) and brought us these beautiful white flower garlands from Hawaii with Frangipani and just awesome flowers. We both had on these crown white flower crowns and it was a really high, awesome day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=4574.21,4658.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Unfortunately, Enid had a slight fever that day. Which she now sings, \"We got married in a fever.\" The wedding was great and the harpist’s sister happened to be in town visiting, Judith Helphand, and she just took over and organized, \"Okay, and now we do this dance, and now we lift them up in the chair, and now we stand in circle, and now—\" She just was instant entertainment coordinator.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=4658.6,4686.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was really fun. The food was great. We had games, we had a little photo booth, we had a banner with our names and the date on it. People wanted to take their picture with us and so many households around Eugene have a picture of them with us and that banner on their fridge from our wedding. We had matchbooks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=4686.37,4704.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you get legally married when it was possible?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=4706.25,4708.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Yeah. That wedding was legal in the Jewish tradition only. The Rabbi signed it and our witnesses signed it and that’s framed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=4708.77,4720.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When domestic partnership passed in Eugene, which I think it was 2014—I’m not positive. I think that was right. Then we got domestic partnered or “DP’d” which we found out later stands for double penetration. We thought that was pretty funny. Then in 2000— I can't remember what year— it had been legal in Canada for a little while before we decided— well, actually, what happened was, we were going to Canada for a vacation and Enid said, \"Hey, we can get married when we're there.\" We wanted a Rabbi to do it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=4721.46,4767.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But in Canada, clergy are not empowered like they are here to conduct weddings so the rabbi was new and was not also a wedding officiant, there's some commissioner or something, the word they use in Canada. The rabbi said, \"But I know a commissioner who's Jewish who would be very nice.\" So, we went to her house. She had Pachelbel's Canon playing. She had her son's bar mitzvah picture up on the mantel, so it felt Jewish. I cried through the whole thing. Enid cried through the whole thing. It was so sweet that it was really legal. It was happening. Then she had these fancy little champagne flutes and she poured pink Koala in the champagne flutes and we toasted. She wrote our names in the annals of Canadian history to be official. I mean, it was real.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=4767.98,4821.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was amazing to have it be legal somewhere. If it could be legal somewhere, it can be legal everywhere. I really felt like it was going to happen for sure even though there was still quite a bit of struggle before it did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=4822.33,4835.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But yeah, I think we were married in 1993 at the National March on Washington. There was a giant wedding in front of the IRS building in Washington, 10,000 couples. We had a rainbow flag with us that was our Chuppah that our friends Kate and Amy held for us along with this 9,999 other people getting married. Reverend Troy Perry was the officiant. He is a gay clergy person who has had his church burned for being gay and has been a voice for coming out and that God loves you kind of message long before any other congregations were doing that. He was already pretty old by then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=4836.35,4888.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He had his loud speaker and he was saying the vows, \"Repeat after me,\" and all these 10,000 voices echoing. One of the things he said, \"And I promise I will always be aware of your needs.\" We heard, \"I will always be aware of your knees,\" which turned out to be prophetic. It was good to be aware of each other's knees. We have that marriage certificate. There were a couple of different pride celebrations. There was a PLFAG—Parents, parents, Friends of Lesbians, Gays—booth at a Eugene Celebration where they had wedding clothes that were just slits down the back that you could slip into kind of, because it would fit everybody. We got married in that booth. We have probably six or seven wedding certificates on our wall. The domestic partnership, the big fat Jewish wedding, our Canadian wedding, these pride celebration, the March on Washington, all those. So many times married.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=4888.83,4946.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: The marriage in Canada, is that the one that's legal now in the United States?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=4948.04,4952.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Because if you're legally— The Supreme Court ruling in the U.S.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=4952.55,4958.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"just recent—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=4959.79,4961.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: 2015.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=4961.59,4961.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Yeah. If you're legally married anywhere, you're legally married here. That's it. Anyone in the U.S. regardless of what kind of couple they are, if you get legally married in Canada or Brazil, wherever you are, then you're legally married. So, yeah, that one held. But for a while, we were having to do the split taxes thing because we were— Oregon had passed a bill that recognized marriage but the federal government hadn't. When we did our state taxes, we were married and when we did our federal taxes, we had a different state taxes to send in with our federal taxes because we weren't legally married federally. You have to pay a CPA or somebody to figure that all out. Now it's really simple. We're just regular married. So there you go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=4961.71,5023.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you have a question?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5024.44,5025.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Well, I wanted to go back to other activities of yours in Eugene. My understanding is that you were involved in starting the Pride Celebration.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5025.92,5038.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Yeah, right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5038.92,5041.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Can you talk a little bit about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5042.7,5044.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: I can talk a little bit about it. I have more info I noticed as I was going through all this stuff in my tub. I don't have all those details committed to memory, but the little thing that I came across was there had been some kind of Pride event in Eugene previously but hadn't been anything for a couple years. There weren't enough people who wanted to put it on, and there was no money to do it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5044.16,5069.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We went to the Eugene City Council Human Rights Commission to authorize some funding to put it on. We had that Pride Celebration behind Hilyard Community Center. WYMPROV! performed, of course. We had Greg Evans came and spoke as an African- American civil rights advocate saying, \"Gay rights are civil rights.\" Making that case which was big at that time because there had been a huge rift with the black community being homophobic. That had to be overcome. He helped bridge that in Eugene, which I thank him for. People sat on blankets and had rainbow clothes on. There was maybe, I don't know, a hundred people came or something. It was pretty small but very sweet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5070.17,5130.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Do you remember the year when you did the first one? It was during one of the Ballot Measures.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5130.51,5137.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: The first Measure 9 was in '92 so my guess is it might have been during that campaign.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5137.2,5144.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5144.04,5144.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Yeah, I think so. Which reminds me— [singing:] “Who put the Lon in the Lon Maybon may-bon, who put the neet in the nee- nee- nee- nee- neet, who put the lie in the Li-li- Li-ve-ly, who put the Wal in the wal-wal-wal-le-ters, who the hell are they? What’s with the OCA? Why are they against lesbians and gays?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5144.49,5166.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That song goes on. Anne Donahue and I were protesting in Springfield when they were getting their anti-gay ballot measure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5168.06,5175.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We were standing in front of the post office with our signs. We were there for hours. We wrote that song standing there. There's now a songbook, which I'm happy to give you, of all the songs that were written for the No on 9 campaign.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5177.25,5191.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5191.01,5191.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Yeah. There's a slew of them. Yeah, that first Pride, it was definitely political because the campaign going on there— I really felt like there was two separate worlds, like the whole LGBTQ scene was subterranean kind of, not really having a public voice in the community, like we weren't entitled to or something? Having that Pride broke through that, it was like, \"Look, you're going to try and make it illegal for us to exist? We're here and we wanted to be here in a happy way.\" Linda Phelps, Laura Philips, Jill Sager, I can't remember who else. WYMPROV! I can't remember who else were involved in organizing it, but I definitely have some papers about that. I can contribute. That's some good stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5191.6,5266.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Before looking into the future, there is other things about these past three decades, any more that you'd like to remind us?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5266.85,5276.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Well, I really feel like the core values that I discovered for myself of being part of lesbian community hold up still and that being myself and connecting with people who I feel are doing the right, living life in a good way, doing the right things and making a difference.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5279.46,5307.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It used to feel like smash the state, like there's a mainstream and let's do away with it and be who we are. Now I feel like, \"Oh, okay, just by being who we are, we created a new mainstream. Now I'm this legally married, old dyke. There are lots of people like me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5308.34,5333.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What do you think about aging as a lesbian in Eugene or just in general?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5333.72,5338.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Well, I think about getting these pierced [laughs and wiggles underarm]. And this thing [wiggles wattle under chin]. Would be fun with studs in it. I don't know. I think—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5338.83,5354.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You just retired recently.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5354.22,5355.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Yeah. I've been retired for a year and a half. The first six months of this is where the “be aware of each other's knees” comes in. The first six months of my retirement was being home care to Enid, who was recovering from knee replacement surgery. Retirement really didn't— I've only really been retired for a year. It's really fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5355.97,5377.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We get to do what we want when we want to. We play Mahjong, and we go to the pool three times a week. We're nowhere near the youngest people there. I feel pretty happy most of the time and there’s horrible stuff going on politically all around us and there has always been. I mean, it's taken on a different intensity, a different style than we've had before, but— I mean, Ronald Reagan was president and AIDS happened. I mean, horrible— we've lived through horrible stuff. If the young people can help us save the planet, we'll live through more horrible stuff. I feel pretty hopeful about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5378.02,5430.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We had to take a look at our house which we're very privileged to own, free and clear. It makes it possible to stay in our home. There's a term “aging in place” so we're going to, hopefully, age in place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5431.4,5447.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But we don't have kids. Not that you can always count on your kids to step up when you need them, but we don't have anyone to even hope they'll step up. So that's a little, \"What are we going to do? Are we going to get this young dyke couple to come live in our upstairs and take care of us while we live in the downstairs?\" I don't know. We're not there yet. But I feel like somehow community is going to come through.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5450.87,5472.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you feel there’s a lesbian community still?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5472.12,5475.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Oh, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5475.18,5477.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Is there a discussion about aging in the community?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5477.38,5481.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: There is. I haven't participated in any of these organized discussions. We talk about it, our friends talk about it. Some people I know are moving into the Eugene Hotel. It's not assisted living— it’s— I don't know what you’d call that, retirement community?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5481.99,5500.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Retirement community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5500.51,5500.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Yeah. Some people are doing that. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how to answer that. You're younger than me. You can come take care of us, and you have kids.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5500.71,5518.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: They'll take care of us all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5519.33,5519.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Yeah, right. Yeah, right. I know people quite a bit older than me who are still living independently and doing okay. I hope that I'll keep doing that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5520.0,5532.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So you don't feel that people becoming couples or living separately now than when you were younger has dissipated the community too much to be there for you as you age?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5532.75,5545.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Well, we have friends, several friends who have pickup trucks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5545.56,5549.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When we need to move something, we can call on these friends who are in couples to borrow the truck. As an example, I think there's still community that shows up for each other. We're more involved in our other communities. I'm really involved in the Jewish community and lots of lesbians are. I can't really separate those fully. Yeah, I think that's one of the appeals of organized religion, even for an atheist like me, is that kind of guaranteed community and someone to bury you and stuff like that. So I don't really worry about those things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5549.66,5593.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: If you can imagine a younger person watching this soon or even in twenty years, is there something specifically you'd like to say to younger—?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5593.33,5602.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Or even 200 years?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5602.8,5603.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Or even 200 years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5603.29,5606.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Well, I'll see what he wrote— what's his name? Michael at the Eugene Weekly interviewed me and asked a similar question, \"What would you say to someone my age?\" I said, \"Well, I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5606.91,5620.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What is your age? “Twenty?\" Okay, well, I would say, from my grandiose station as an elder, be yourself and find your people and kind of everybody is your people. You know, make more people your people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5620.8,5643.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Was there anything else that we didn't ask or cover that you'd like to mention?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5645.24,5654.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Well, I don't think I'm going to be able to come up with that stuff for this interview but I have, like I say, piles of stuff and just sitting waiting for you. Kept thinking of more groups I was involved with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5654.53,5668.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We didn't even talk about Baleboostehs. There's so many projects and groups and shows and stuff that I've been involved with, the Family Freedom Seder, we didn't talk about it all. Okay, I'll just say something about that. During Ballot Measure 9 in 1992, we had a big fundraiser at the Eugene Hilton Hotel to raise money for the campaign to defeat that terrible ballot measure. It was Passover and we decided to have a big Passover Seder. There were 400 people there. There were forty tables of ten. We met together to create a Haggadah, a storytelling booklet that we would follow for the whole ceremony, that called on our ancestors from Stonewall and how people insisting on their right to be free, is our heritage. It was awesome. We had horseradish flown in from New York. That was authentic and so 400 people, maybe 10 percent, 20 percent were Jewish and most were just community members who wanted to support it and be part of it and had never been to a Seder before and had never had real horseradish before. There's a moment in the ritual where you take your first bite that includes horseradish.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5668.5,5771.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was a moment of silence and then, “Whoa!” People were freaking. They were like, \"Wow.\" Luckily, the hot of horseradish passes quickly, but you don't know that if you're not familiar with it. So there was a moment of panic, but it was a unifying moment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5772.65,5788.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The news media covered it, which was part of the struggle all along in our campaign, was being marginalized means you don't get public attention for what you do. It was a big deal that all the news media showed up to that. And we did win. I just wanted to mention that one. There's lots of other stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5792.31,5820.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: We might have to have more conversations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5820.91,5822.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Yeah, I think more conversations would be fine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5822.29,5824.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5824.47,5824.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5825.1,5825.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: I haven't repeated myself?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5825.36,5826.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Not at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5826.67,5827.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: Awesome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5827.07,5827.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Thank you so much, Sally. This is great. We really appreciate it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5828.55,5829.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sheklow: You're welcome. Thank you. I'm so excited this is happening. That's great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5829.98,5832.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[END OF INTERVIEW]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384#t=5833.2,5833.31"}]},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56185/file/130384/transcript/92615/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/615/original/840_Coll520_do055_aligned.vtt?1776852377","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/615/original/840_Coll520_do055_aligned.vtt?1776852377"}]}]}]}