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Her father's family were tobacco farmers, and her mother's family were coal miners. Linda grew up in Oregon and went to school in Milwaukie. At twelve years of age, she realized she was attracted to girls, but had no way to understand her feelings. She went to the University of Oregon as a freshman in 1968, during the Vietnam War protests and she remembers when a bomb went off in Prince Lucien Campbell Hall on campus. As a junior in college, she got involved with women. It was a vibrant and empowering time. She discusses the LGBTQ social life in Eugene. She talks about harassment and assault. After college, she worked for the City of Eugene and as a carpenter for Crescent Construction, a local collective owned by women. She discusses Amazon Kung Fu, martial arts, and women's self-defense. In 1977, Linda participated in an all-women mountaineering trek to Mt. Everest, sponsored by Ms. magazine. She also describes taking a trip to Russia on a peace program with Janet Anderson. Linda later became an athletic trainer and worked for thirty years at Pacific University in Forest Grove, Oregon. There, she worked for twenty-five years as the Head Athletic Trainer and for five years as a Professor in the Athletic Training Master's program. She also served as the athletic trainer for the wheelchair basketball team, Shooting Stars. In 1994 she adopted her daughter.\n\nKey terms: Adoption  --  China; Amazon Kung Fu; Mountain life  --  Appalachian Region, Southern; Athletic training; Bars (Drinking establishments)  --  Oregon -- Eugene; Collectives; Community life; Crescent Construction; Eugene (Or.)  --  Social conditions; Female athletes; Goldstein, Judy; Hate crimes; Journeys of the Heart Adoption Services; Parenting; Shooting Stars basketball team; Soviet Union -- Description and Travel; Telsey, Nadia; Van Brunt, Lina; Vietnam War, 1961-1975  --  Protest movements  --  United States; Women's Action for Nuclear Disarmament (WAND)."]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Linda McIntosh (Interviewee)","Judith L. Raiskin (Interviewer)","Linda Long (Interviewer)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["In Copyright"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["https://scua.uoregon.edu/repositories/2/archival_objects/607020"]}},{"label":{"en":["Type"]},"value":{"en":["Moving Image"]}}],"summary":{"en":["The Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project Collection consists of interviews of 83 people for the Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project, conducted by Professor Judith Raiskin and Curator Linda Long at the University of Oregon starting in the summer of 2018."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["In Copyright"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/029/original/uo-logo-hires.png?1580744881","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/130/332/small/Coll520_do032.jpg?1637168628","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - Coll520_do032.mp4"]},"duration":4743.27467,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/130/332/small/Coll520_do032.jpg?1637168628","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-universityoforegonlibraries.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/130/332/original/Coll520_do032.mp4?1637168628","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":4743.27467,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["782_Coll520_do032_aligned [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: This interview is part of the Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4.44,9.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The recordings will be made available through the University of Oregon Libraries’ Special Collections, and University Archives.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=9.54,15.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is an oral history interview with Linda McIntosh on September 6, 2018, taking place in the University of Oregon Libraries' recording studio in the Center for Media and Educational Technologies. The interviewers are Linda Long, Curator of Manuscripts in the UO Libraries’ Special Collections and University Archives and Professor Judith Raiskin of the UO Department of Women's, Gender and Sexuality Studies. Linda, please let us know if you agree to be recorded for this project, and that you give your permission for the university to preserve and make available your recorded and transcribed interview.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=16.25,52.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: Yes, I do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=52.46,53.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Great, thank you. Let's just start with a basic question. If you could tell us when and where you were born and something about your early years?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=53.45,60.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: Well, I was actually born in Oregon City, Oregon. And I grew up primarily in Milwaukie, Oregon. But my family was interesting because both of my parents are from Appalachia. My father's family's from the Blue Ridge, and my mom's family's from the Smoky mountains. And my father was in World War II. He spent actually nearly four years in the infantry in Southeast Asia. And he had a brother who was stationed in Portland, and he was in the Navy. And so after the war, my father actually moved to Portland in 1948, right after my parents were married. And my mother was fifteen, and my father was twenty-eight. They married and left North Carolina and came out to Oregon and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=60.71,113.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How did they meet each other?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=113.12,114.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: Both sides of the family lived up in the mountains. I mean, they were complete mountain people, especially my father. But when he came back from the war, he started a little restaurant in the nearest town, which is about thirty miles away. And my mom used to come in to the restaurant and hang out at the counter. And so then they got to know each other and then got married.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=114.53,141.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They came out to Oregon, and then I was born, that was in '48 and I was born in '50. Up to the age of seven, I spent most of my time in North Carolina because they just kept returning home. My father loved Oregon, but I think it was a really hard transition because they were, I mean, they had been in those mountains since— They're Scots-Irish, on my father's side, they're Scots-Irish and they'd been in the Blue Ridge since probably late 1700s, early 1800s, fought at Kings Mountain. I don't know if you know about battle, but they are very— You wanted me to talk to you about what influenced my life, I mean, they're Scots-Irish who were Highland Scots, who were forced out of Scotland and into Ireland, and then eventually came to America. I grew up with a good dose of anti-government, anti— just, I mean, they were your very—still are—they're your very typical mountain people who just keep to themselves, anti- government, very independent. They would go to town once a month to get flour and sugar, and they provided everything else.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=143.53,216.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it was the coolest thing for me as a kid because I lived with my grandparents, my parents, and my great-grandmother, and then all of my cousins, and aunts, and uncles, all lived there too. It was this whole McIntosh clan up at the top of a mountain. And what an amazing thing for a kid to just run around those mountains with all your cousins all day long, and so—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=216.67,242.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And your mom was like seventeen or eighteen when she had you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=242.08,244.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: She was seventeen. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=244.54,244.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Yeah. So, good for her to go back and have some family support.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=245.0,248.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: Yeah. I actually think there was some trouble between my parents, and I think she ended up with her family for a while, and then they got back together, and then they went back and forth between the Oregon and North Carolina. My other sister was born in Oregon as well. Both of my sisters were. But, my father's family was this very— they were tobacco farmers, but then my mom's side of the family was, and again, they're from the Smokys, and just a really vibrant family. I mean, they were English-German descent and they lived up in, like I said, up in the Smokys, but they were just really a wild family. I mean, they were just— a lot of violence. You'd see my grandma sitting down on the front porch with her mouth full of snuff with the shotgun across her knee. And that was the reality of it, or there'd be a bear outside, she'd get all the kids and take him in the back of the house and then she'd just start blasting away at the door. I mean, it was like that. I mean, it was incredible. I grew up in these two very different kind— One was very Southern Baptist, very quiet, and then this other very rowdy family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=248.49,327.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Just a very interesting family. And it's interesting too because my family's land was taken by the government for the Smoky National Park, so on that side of the family I got another dose of anti- government, anti-possession by the government. They bought my grandfather's land for $3 an acre, and it's now the Smoky Mountain National Park. And then several members of that family sold, their land was repossessed by the government and made into the park.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=331.46,367.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And my grandfather was one of the first park rangers in the Smoky Mountain National Park. I think because that was the compensation for taking their land. And then my mom's side of the family were coal miners and heavy construction workers. My grandfather helped build the Blue Ridge Parkway. He helped with that, in part of the construction of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=367.64,391.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then my aunts and uncles left the mountains. They did leave the mountains and go to Detroit. So we had that every Friday night they would leave Detroit and drive all the way down to the mountains, spend what time they could with the family, and then drive back Sunday night to go back to work in Detroit. And they all worked for Ford. And my uncle was a union official for Ford. And so that's how I learned about unions and working people. And so I grew up this dose of— I think that's where things started for me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=391.76,430.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I was always very— my mother just talked about this a couple of days ago, she said, \"You always had something to say, and you never held back, and you just said what you thought.\" And it was a conflict in my family because I thought very differently than they did. I was not, I mean, I grew up in an incredibly racist family. My great-grandfather was— they were called circuit preachers, and he would ride through the Appalachians on his mule and preach, and then on Saturday night he had his robe and his hood on, he was in the Klan. That was very interesting. I remember being little and getting in arguments with my family about black people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=430.79,476.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mean it just, and I was— So, and I'm very curious, I was very curious about all kinds of people, and they told me that I used to sneak off, because we had chain gangs that would come up and work on our road, and I would sneak off, and they would find me down with the chain gang because I was just so curious about people different than me, and I was up in the mountains. I was just— so, anyway, so eventually though, my family settled here and back in Oregon, and then I came to Eugene in '68 as a freshman at UO. That's how I got here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=476.89,511.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What high school did you go to?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=511.34,513.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: I went to Milwaukie High School in Milwaukie, Oregon. And I actually graduated from high school in Colorado because my family moved in my senior year. I actually stayed here, lived with a friend for a year and then I went to Colorado to finish high school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=513.56,526.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What were you like in high school? And what was your social scene like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=526.37,530.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: I was very social, very— and the thing about me was I was friends with everyone. When I was in high school you had the soshes, and the jocks, and the nerds, and the— you had all these groups and I never bought into any of that. And I was just friends with everyone and had a lot of friends. And I've always been very active. I've always been very athletic. I've always— I mean, I started out really young doing athletics, and I did that all through high school, college, and into now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=530.05,561.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What sports did you do?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=563.11,564.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: I did a lot of track and field in high school, softball, basketball, volleyball, because in those days everybody just played everything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=564.38,571.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's like you played basketball this season, you played softball this season, and so I did everything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=571.91,576.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And that was before Title IX.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=576.69,578.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: That was before Title IX.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=578.12,579.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: So, were there actual teams or was it just extra-curricular?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=579.54,583.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: No, there were teams. Milwaukie High School was really progressive for its day. I mean, this was incredible because we had Shop and Home Ec. They required the boys to take Home Ec, and the girls to take shop. So I took shop. That's how I got interested in what I ended up doing, because I took shop and I loved it. And the other thing's my father's a carpenter, my father is a— he was a master cabinet maker. And so I would watch him. He built all this stuff in the basement by hand and I would just watch him. But, yeah, I had a great time in high school. I loved high school. Yeah. I did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=584.03,618.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you have any inkling that you were attracted to girls?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=618.15,620.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: About twelve I realized I was way more attracted to girls than boys, but I had no— at that time I had no knowledge, no words. I had no way to figure that out. I dated boys, and even into college I was still dating men, but by my junior year in college that was all done and I knew what I was and I had a word for it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=620.88,656.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you remember how you found the words for that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=657.09,660.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: I think when I came to school, when I came to U of O, and I just started taking classes and meeting people. It just— I mean, my world changed totally when I came to Eugene because it just exploded for me. I mean, I was just exposed to education, and knowledge, and people, and culture, and music, and art that I'd never really been exposed to before. And it was just a great time for me. And I had the typical college experience, I think. I just did a lot of partying, and I did well in school, although I didn't really apply myself very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=660.82,702.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was your major?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=702.12,703.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: I graduated with a degree in sociology, and a minor in education, and never did anything with it. I worked as a janitor, for work study, and got out of college, couldn't find a job. UO kept me on as a janitor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=703.11,717.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: So what year did you arrive as a freshman?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=720.5,722.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: Sixty-eight.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=722.54,723.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Sixty-eight. Can you describe what the campus was like at that time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=723.33,726.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: Yeah. I don't think a lot of people realize this, but Eugene was on par with Berkeley in terms of anti-war, the anti-war. It was a pretty agitated time in Eugene. And I had started my activism really in high school with civil rights. Martin Luther King was— I discovered him and I was just— he was my complete hero. And so I started actually in high school with civil rights, and I continued on with that. But when I got here, I really got involved in the anti-war movement here and a lot of the protests and work that was being done at that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=726.75,767.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's my memory of Eugene really at that time, I mean, when I first came, it wasn't really— my freshman year, I wasn't really involved in that too much. I was just living in a dorm. I stayed on campus pretty much. I had a bicycle, I loved to ride my bike everywhere, and I just would ride all around town and— But then I started catching on to what was going on with the anti-war movement and got involved in that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=767.64,791.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it was interesting because I was actually interviewed by the FBI. I don't know if you know, Prince Lucien Campbell Hall right down here was blown up in '69 or so. I don't remember the year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=792.23,805.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But anyway, by my association with someone, I was interviewed by the FBI. And again, that's another thing for me to, I mean, my views about the government really changed during that time. I already had these views from growing up of just very anti-government, we're independent people, we're— but this all layered on that too as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=805.98,827.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then I remember I was going to a demonstration and I was riding my bike, and I came around the corner and here was this massive SWAT unit set up. And, I mean, with their rifles, helmet— it was a massive military presence. 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I don't remember exactly, but I do remember that. And I don't remember. Oh, that's right. There was a sit in, yes, there was a sit in. Yes. Yes, that's right. Yes. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=877.35,896.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was not— Yeah, that's right. That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=896.44,898.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: He actually had some skill in negotiating with the students, because he had come from what was then called San Jose College.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=898.43,906.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"San Jose State College.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=906.47,907.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=907.47,908.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And then he came up to UO. And so he had more experience working directly with the students.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=908.35,915.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: That's right. Yeah. I remember that now. Yes. And I remember, yeah, and the sit in and— yes. But, those are my memories of that time, just a lot of being involved in a lot of that. And then of course what happened for me next was in the feminist movement, and then the lesbian movement, of course. I don't remember really any gay-lesbian presence really. I don't remember that. I don't know what was going on in town at that time, but it wasn't really until I got into junior-senior year. And I had a girlfriend, my first steady girlfriend, we were together for five years, and we got together at the end of my junior year in college.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=915.54,955.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we were like, “Okay, so where are all the other lesbians in Eugene?” And we ended up being friends with a lot of gay men.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=955.91,963.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There were a lot of gay men are around. And I had a friend from high school, and he had a group of friends. We ended up hanging out with them a lot. And that's who we hung out with. And then I remember we were walking along one day and we saw this little sign up that said \"Lesbian meeting.\" And we went \" Lesbian meeting!\" And so we got really excited and we went, and it was at this woman's house. I don't know if anyone's talked about, can I say names or—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=963.5,988.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Mm-hmm [affirmative].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=988.69,988.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: Okay. A woman named Gabriel. And anyway, Gabriel, and she had a daughter, Siri. Siri was about five. She was having a meeting in her house, and so we went. There was two of us, one other couple, and Gabriel, and that was it. But the thing I will never forget is Gabriel had goats in her house. Her entire second floor of her house was taken up with hay and straw and goats.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=988.85,1012.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And where was the house?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1013.98,1014.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: It was just downtown. It's in old part of Eugene, down on probably, yeah, probably down on Monroe, somewhere in that area. But, yes, so we had our little meeting, and then I think we met a few times after that, and then eventually there became— I became part of this speaker's bureau, or speaker panel, and I would get invited by the U of O and all these classes to go around, and be on this panel, and talk about being a lesbian. And the interesting part of it was that there was a lot of my friends that I had known from school that I hadn't really had a chance to come out to yet. 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I mean, it was just a wonderful place for me. It was just very empowering. It's like people were just inventing themselves. It was like you can be whatever you want. And that's how it was. It just made me feel like, hey, I can be whatever I want. I can do whatever I want. And women were challenging every single thing. I mean, every single piece of our lives was being challenged, from family, to work, to, I mean, everything, relationships. It was just this incredibly vibrant, empowering time in this town. I mean, it was incredible. And I remember the Riv Room, trying to get that into— I don't know if other people have talked about the Riv Room. But when we first started going to the Riv Room, when I turned twenty-one, I could finally go to bars.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1066.92,1135.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I went to the Riv Room, and at that time we had to have the same number of men and women on the dance floor at the same time because the police came through several times during the night.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1136.66,1145.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And at that point you had to make it look like it was not a gay bar.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1145.88,1150.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was interesting. And then eventually over time that just changed. It just became more women became involved, and then eventually it really became more of a women's bar than anything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1150.33,1161.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I just felt like I had a lot more connection to the men's community, but then a lot of them started leaving and moving to San Francisco, Oakland, then we started losing them to AIDS, and I lost several friends to AIDS and so— So, anyway, but then I just jumped head first in the feminist movement, lesbian movement, and just took off from there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1162.1,1185.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And so when you graduated college, what did you do for work?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1185.53,1189.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You were a janitor—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1189.91,1190.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: Well, I was a janitor, and then I left in January, the following January, and I spent six months traveling in Europe and then drove across country from North Carolina back to San Diego. But that was very interesting. And I went with my partner at the time to Europe and that was incredible, being in Europe in 1973 and trying to find— we had a book called, and I wish I could find it, it's called the Gray guide or something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1190.71,1221.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: The Gaia’s Guide?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1221.15,1221.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: No, this was an earlier version of this. And it was where you could find gay bars in Europe, but it was completely incorrect, and we ended up in places we shouldn't be. And, I mean, we did find some gay bars and— but really they were actually lesbian or gay in Europe. And it was the scene where you just had hear by word of mouth, and you go up and you knock on a little opening in the door, and someone opens a little opening, and they look at you and decide whether or not to let you in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1221.98,1257.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it was so interesting because they were very much into role playing. I would have women come and ask my partner if they could dance with me. And on the dance floor you had the definite femme and butch on the dance floor. And it was really, really interesting. I just read my journal from that trip last night and I forgot a lot of it, but we actually were able to find a lot more than I— because I thought we only were able to find bars in Paris and Berlin, of course we could find them there, but there was some other places we found bars as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1258.6,1293.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And of course when we would find other people we would just be so happy, because it was hard, it was very hard because we were harassed, we were chased. We were chased by groups of young boys. We were called names. We were— I mean, at one point in Yugoslavia, it became very bad. My partner was assaulted. I was shot at. By the grace of I don't know what, we escaped and made it to Athens, we went onto Greece from there. So a lot of was very hard, I mean, just because we were not welcome. In '73, I mean, it wasn't like it is now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1293.8,1343.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But the positive part of the trip for me was just like what happened when I came to Eugene. It was the art, and the culture, and the music, and the food, and the— I mean, I'd never been anywhere in my life, and it was just mind blowing. It really changed me a lot in terms of my appreciation for all of those things. That was a great experience. And then we came back and we actually— a little car and we shipped it back to the US, and then we went and stayed with my father until the car came. And I often think about that because I never came out to my father, but here I am with my girlfriend staying at his house and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1344.02,1386.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: He never suspected anything?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1388.1,1388.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: And I look at pictures. And I actually brought you a picture of myself and my grandmother at that time. And when you look at me and you look at my grandmother, you go, “Oh.” That was interesting. Then we drove cross country and then came back to Eugene. And that was in '73. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1388.43,1406.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And so, what did you do then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1407.84,1411.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: Then, let's see, '73. The two of us, we tried to do some businesses, we did a house painting business, we did a potting soil business, we did—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1412.07,1424.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How do you do a potting soil business?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1424.38,1426.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: Well, she had worked for a nursery and so she had a formula for this potting soil mix. And when I think about this now, it's just crazy. So we had this formula, so we went and we bought a dump truck load of this stuff, and we didn't have any place to put it. We dumped it in our garage, if the landlord would have ever known that. There was this massive pile of soil in our garage. We mixed it and we packaged it, and then we took it around to all the stores in town and had it for sale. And that's what we did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1426.06,1463.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it was really funny driving down here today, we got our bags and our labels from this company called Z Pack. I've not seen Z Pack in ages. Driving down the freeway today, right in front of me was a Z pack truck. And I went, “that’s, uh.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1463.42,1477.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What was your company called?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1477.87,1478.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: Specific Soil. And we sold it to all the grocers, and the nurseries, and that sort of thing. We were just trying to piece it all together and make it work. And then I got hired by the City of Eugene, and that was something that I did want to talk about today because I got hired in 1974 as an apprentice for the city of Eugene, an apprentice carpenter. And that was because of Title IX, oh no, affirmative action. Sorry. It was affirmative action. So the City of Eugene was hustling to try and fill these jobs with women. And so I got a job, and I'll never forget the questions they asked me for the interview. I really didn't know. I mean, they asked me what a sixteen penny meant, and I didn't know. And a sixteen-penny— do you know sixteen-penny is?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1478.98,1528.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: A nail.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1529.92,1530.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: It's a nail. Yeah, it's a size of a nail, but I think I had enough painting experience and so they hired me. The first day my supervisor took me aside and told me clearly, directly, I was not wanted there. I was not welcomed there, and they only did it because they had to. And then they really didn't train me. They really didn't do much with me. They actually ended up putting me with the painter, and I'll never forget this guy either. He was an alcoholic, and just this older man, and we hit it off great, and we had a great time, but I didn't really get to do much. And—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1530.51,1573.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: How old were you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1573.62,1574.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: I was twenty-four. But then they hired this guy, and he was younger, and we hit it off. And so they ended up partnering us together, and they would send us out to do work. And this guy was— well, he's now a master boat builder in Seattle. I mean, he was incredible. His carpentry skills were absolutely phenomenal, and he decided to take me on. He's like, \"I will teach you Linda.\" And so he did. We went out and we worked together, and he taught me, and that's really how I learned carpentry, from him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1574.55,1610.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so I did that as part of working for the city of Eugene. And then we both quit, and then we went out, worked on our own for probably a year or so. But my experience with the city was not good. I mean, they pretty much just like, “Yeah, we got you. We don't know what to do with you. We really don't want to do anything with you.” I came in one day and there was “dyke” scratched into the door of where I worked. It was a hostile environment until Glenn came along. And then—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1611.03,1650.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How did it make you feel?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1650.5,1651.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: Angry. Yeah, I was angry. I was like, no, it's not right. And I really didn't let it get to me too much personally because I just felt like, you need to be educated. And I dealt with who I could deal with positively, and I had a few friends there, but basically it was just very hostile. And so thank goodness for Glenn. Glenn came along and then— And actually, Glenn and I ended up living together in a house, and working together, and then Crescent Construction came along. That's how I came into that, so started semi-skilled.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1651.62,1692.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Tell us about Crescent Construction, how it started. And—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1692.61,1695.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: I was trying to think about that, and I don't know if anyone's spoken of Rena Klein and Nancy Schutt yet, but Rena is an architect. I've not seen Rena in years and years, but she was an architect. And Rena was really the one behind this company because she had the skills for the plans, and she knew building codes. And I don't remember if Nancy was an architect or just a drafts person, but anyway, they both had those skills. I think they just decided to start a company, and then they started looking for women who could do carpentry, and that's the best I can recollect about how it happened.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1696.19,1734.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How many of you were there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1734.74,1736.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: I brought a picture today to show you of all of us, but do you want to see that now or wait until later?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1736.46,1742.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Oh, wait till after.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1742.77,1744.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: Okay. I'll just show you later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1744.38,1745.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You can tell us about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1745.37,1745.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: I think over the span of the business there were probably maybe ten women involved. It wasn't a large company. The core stayed and then we would change a few people as we went along. But we were doing right off the bat. Our first job was building a home from the ground up in a new development here in Eugene. I love to go around Eugene because I can see the work that I've done around Eugene.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1745.65,1771.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Oh, that's cool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1771.86,1772.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: I mean, it still exists. And, I mean, we built Zoo Zoo’s, it used to be Zoo Zoo’s down by the train station, that building we built. I mean, we remodeled that and for a restaurant. The KEZI, at one point we did the KEZI, what do you call it? That the newscasters—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1772.02,1791.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Studio.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1791.84,1791.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: —sit behind. No. The—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1791.83,1793.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Oh, the desk.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1793.1,1794.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: The desk, whatever, we did that. We did just all kinds of things. I mean, a lot of remodeling primarily, but with some new construction. And I found our business card. And I brought that, I put it in a little frame because I didn't want to get it messed up. But I brought that, and it's really cool to look at it because it says quality work by women and it's just really, so it was just a—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1794.68,1821.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And what were the other skills that people had? How were they trained?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1822.42,1825.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: Well, Rena, they went to school. I think they were all self-taught. I mean, I don't know what Lina I told you about how she learned her carpentry, but Lina was excellent, I mean, just very talented. I mean, just very meticulous and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1825.65,1844.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: That's Lina Van Brunt.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1845.61,1846.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: Lina Van Brunt. Yes. Just meticulous, beautiful work. And the rest of us really just learned how we did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1846.37,1856.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And how did you get your contracts?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1857.01,1858.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: We would advertise, and that was part of my job, I evolved into— I did the bid work. And we had this beautiful little book with all our— and so I'd go to these meetings with the little book with our work and all that. And then I would just talk to the people, and then we do competitive bids, we put in bids. And it's interesting because I chose sociology as a degree because I didn't want to do math, well, carpentry is nothing but math, and so— because I was the one who figured— I had to figure it out like every single nail you needed to build a house, every board, everything, and you had to figure it all out to the smallest thing so that you could put in a bid, and can be competitive, and you could still make money from the job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1859.63,1909.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We just did competitive bids, and people would hire us, and a lot of women would hire us in the beginning. And then men started to hire us more, but businesses started to hire us, and then it just became word of mouth, and the quality of our work. And that's how we got business.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1910.44,1928.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiksin: Did the city ever have to hire you for minority contracting or anything like that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1928.93,1934.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: No, they never did. No. I'm not sure that was going on at that point. 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I started carpentry in '74, and I started with Crescent construction in '77. And we were all partners, and it was a collective. And so I did a lot of the carpentry work and then a lot of the managerial work as well. Was that your question? I forgot your question, actually.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1944.0,1973.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Well, when did the company— what were the dates? 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I mean, and things are different now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=1977.5,2016.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You look at carpentry now, I'm not even sure I can do carpentry now because it's all power tools and, I mean, we were putting everything together with hammers and nails, and it was difficult work. And you had to be able to carry a four by eight sheet rock, and put it over your head, and put it on a ceiling. I don't know if you've ever tried that, but it's incredibly hard. It was really physically hard work and I felt like I didn't want the uncertainty in my life of not knowing when my next job would come along, because that's how it was. I mean, there were times when I was out of work and it was hard to pay my bills. I wanted something more steady in my life, so that's why I left, but I also think at that point the company was disbanding. We at one point did disband, and I can't remember, I mean, that was part of it, but I can't remember what else went on at that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2016.38,2072.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I know Rena continued on, and Nancy, as architects, and drafts people. And I think some of us did continue on in carpentry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2073.35,2081.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I did for myself. Actually I went on and did some jobs after that on my own. I take that back. Yeah, I actually did. I continued on. Built some buildings from the ground up, and that was one of my most proudest things for me, was that to just take a bare piece of land and I built a building from the ground up, and that was just so— it's incredible to be able to do that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2081.72,2104.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you know about other women owned construction companies?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2105.0,2107.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: No. I didn't. And I brought you an article that was in the Oregonian about Crescent Construction that was written when we first started.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2107.56,2116.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I didn't know about it. My mom saw it in the Oregonian and sent it to me. But we were the first all-women’s construction company to be licensed in the state of Oregon. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2116.5,2126.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you know why it was called Crescent?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2126.75,2128.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: I think Rena picked the name. And we all liked it. I'll show you the card, but it's “Crescent,” and then we had a crescent moon and “Construction” written down but I enjoyed the work. I like to be active, I like to be physical, I like hard work, I liked working with the women. I liked the challenge of it all. I liked the work. We did some beautiful work, and like I said, there's nothing like building something and then you can go back and it's still there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2128.76,2157.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was your living situation at the time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2157.43,2160.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: I think during that time I was living by myself for most of that period, I think. I had separated from my first girlfriend in probably around '76. And I think I lived pretty much alone until '85 or so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2161.42,2184.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But also during that time period, I also started at Amazon Kung Fu in December of '76.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2184.98,2191.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: You started Amazon Kung Fu?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2191.19,2193.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: I started training there. I didn't start it. I started training there. And then— I also— the other thing I wanted to mention to you is in '77, I took a trip to Nepal, and I don't know if anyone's mentioned this to you, but it was the first all-women’s trek to Mount Everest. And I have an incredible archive of that trip, and I would really love to do something with it at some point, but it was all women, we were the first all-women’s track to Everest.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2193.17,2212.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I went as high as 22,500 feet without oxygen. And we spent a month getting to Mount Everest. And the most physically hard thing I've ever done in my life, and one of the most rewarding and incredible experiences in my life because, I mean, I've been to Mount Everest, I've been in the Himalayas, and those mountains exude power. I mean, there's something totally incredible about them. That was another just incredible, incredible experience for me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2213.62,2269.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: The women come from all over the country, or—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2269.06,2270.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: All over the world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2270.65,2271.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: —all over the world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2271.5,2271.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: Yeah. Some of us met in New York, and then we met, the women coming from Europe, we met them in Germany and then flew into Nepal. We spent a few days in Kathmandu and then we took off and we walked. I mean, what was hard about it is it'd be like six hours straight up, eight hours straight down, six hours straight up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2272.09,2297.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mean, I brought some information about that trip, and I think we covered something like 120 miles of up and down in altitude and just getting over the foothills. But it was good because it declimatized us. And not all of us made it. We had some people get very sick from altitude sickness, and I was suffering but I was able to make it, but it's an incredible story, and Ms. magazine sponsored us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2298.28,2328.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2329.41,2329.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: And it's just an incredible story and I really wish that it would be told one day because it was—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2329.49,2333.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How did you hear about it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2335.01,2337.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: It was interesting because I was between jobs, I was out of a job, and when I was out of a job in those days I used to like to go to the library and just hang out and read. I was looking at this magazine and there was this little article in there that was talking about this little trip that was going to be planned to go to Nepal, this all women's trek to Nepal. And I just looked at that one, I'm going.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2337.4,2358.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the next day I got a job, and it all just came together. I had people loan me cameras, and equipment, because I really had no money. I was very poor in those days. And so it all came together, and I was able to— Air India at that time would loan you your ticket. So Air India, I got my ticket through Air India, and I had a year and a half to pay it off. 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And I'm just really happy I went then, because Everest has really changed, and it was shortly after that that things really started changing there. And it was harrowing in ways. I mean, we were sleeping one night and they were bringing the German doctor down from Everest from the German expedition because he was basically dying of altitude sickness. And I heard later that he survived because the only treatment is you just got to get down, and we had to send our people back too, but it was just incredible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2392.99,2455.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Did you get to the summit?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2455.41,2456.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: No. We just went to base camp—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2456.6,2459.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2460.05,2460.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: —and then we climbed Ama Dablam, which is right next to it. And we got to the summit of that, which was 2205.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2460.39,2466.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2466.23,2466.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: But I remember it to this day. I mean, it was like one step, take a breath, one step, take a breath, one step, take a breath. We got to the top, and then we started back down, and I'll never forget that experience. Because we just didn't even camp, we just went. We just kept going down in the far— because every step you went down was more oxygen, and it was like you were just flying. And it was an incredible experience, and I really enjoyed all the women.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2467.91,2496.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And how many were you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2496.61,2497.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: I think there was about ten of us or so. And the other thing really special about that trip is we were given women Sherpas as our guides, and that doesn't happen. And they actually carried— we had yaks, and they carried— I carried my gear too. I carried a fifty- sixty pound pack through this whole trip. And then we had yaks, and then the Sherpas, they carried the food, and tents, and stuff like that. But that was different too. That didn't happen at that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2497.93,2526.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Did you take mountaineering lessons before you left?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2526.18,2528.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: No, I just went, and stupidly bought brand new boots before I went, and I had the worst blisters in the world. They actually ended up just duct taping my feet up for a month. And that's how I got through, because my feet were just destroyed. And I lost thirty pounds. And it was an incredible experience. Incredible. I have this massive slide collection of that trip and my journal, and just maps, and it was an incredible experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2528.59,2564.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't know how much you wanted to talk about that, but that was a big part of my experience at that time in my life. And then I came back to Eugene, and I was the woman who went to Nepal. I had started at Amazon Kung Fu right before I left on that trip. And then I came back and just got really involved in Amazon Kung Fu from there. And then trained with them, got a black belt, and eventually became an instructor at the school. 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Because Barbara Bones and Joyce Towne started Amazon Kung Fu. They were both black belts. And so I trained there for years with them, and then got my black belt, and then they left.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2605.83,2618.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They left the school, and it was actually turned over to Anne Moon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2618.29,2621.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It went to Anne Moon. And then I think there was another instructor after that, and then me, and then Gladys Campbell came after me as the head instructor of the school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2622.05,2632.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then you should also know that there are two schools that came out of Amazon Kung Fu. I don't know if you're aware of that, but Hand to Hand in San Francisco, or Oakland, came out of Amazon Kung Fu, that was Colleen Gregin started that school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2632.77,2647.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Colleen has passed and I'm very sorry that she can't be part of this project. And then Anne Moon started Seven Star in Seattle. So it was Amazon Kung Fu and two sister schools.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2647.19,2659.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we were all kajukenbo schools, and we would do regular trainings between the schools. And every year we would have a big kajukenbo conference and all the three schools would come together. And then there was also the Pacific Women's Martial Arts Association. And I don't know if you know about that, but that started in probably the late '70s, still is going strong. And they have a huge camp every year. They just had one this year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2659.65,2688.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And where are they?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2688.1,2689.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: The camps are—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2689.82,2690.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: No, the school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2691.97,2693.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: It's an association of women martial artists—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2694.07,2697.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2697.48,2697.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: —in the Pacific Northwest. I went to all those trainings as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2697.65,2702.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And those were amazing. You’d get 300 women together, all doing martial arts, and it was incredible. Just incredible. But, so I started out as a student at Amazon Kung Fu, and eventually, like I said, got my black belt, but I also did a lot of self-defense work in Eugene a lot. I taught a lot of children, women, people with disabilities. I did countless workshops, Take Back the Night, helped organize those. We did demonstrations all over Eugene. I brought you some pictures of the demonstration we did—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2702.73,2746.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2746.3,2746.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: —we did. And, I mean, we were just very active in the community and really out there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2746.38,2751.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Was Nadia Kelsey's self-defense a different school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2751.77,2756.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: Yeah. Nadia was karate. I think she started karate, and she was never a part of Amazon Kung Fu, but she was really a huge mover and shaker in this town in terms of self-defense. I've always really admired and respected Nadia for everything she's done around self-defense for women and children. So she was running workshops, I would help her sometimes, but I would just do other things through Amazon Kung Fu. And we would work together, I mean, but she really did a lot in terms of self-defense for this community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2756.78,2790.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But yeah, I did a lot of that, too. And I was a safe house for a while.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2791.71,2796.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We had a system of safe houses in Eugene for a while, for domestic violence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2796.02,2800.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you explain how that works?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2800.38,2801.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: Yeah. We had a system, and it was completely secret, private. It was a group of women, and we had ways to connect with each other. Basically, it would just be if there was an incident that needed to be addressed that one of us would be notified that someone is being brought to your house. And so we'd given them a temporary shelter until we can sort out where to get them. It was basically to get them out of that immediate situation, and then we would go from there to get them the help that they needed in other places.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2801.37,2835.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How do they know who to call?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2835.99,2837.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: You know what? I don't remember that. It might've been through Rape Crisis Network. I brought you some of that information too, because I have some handouts from Rape— it might've been through Rape Crisis Network or through one of the hotlines in town or something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2837.94,2853.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Was Womenspace open yet?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2853.77,2853.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: It might've been through Womenspace because women's space was open. I don't remember that exactly. I do remember, I mean, I was a house and I remember getting calls and having people come to my home, but I really think someone else organized that and I just signed on as I can help with that. So I don't remember.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2853.97,2873.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What was it like when you would get the calls?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2873.17,2874.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: Awful. I mean, awful. And it was children sometimes too, women and children, but it was at that point in Eugene, there were resources, and places to go, and ways to get help. And like I said, I brought you a few of those little pamphlets and that sort of thing. I was glad to be part of that, but really it was just safety. And with my background I could help, and so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2875.26,2907.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you describe a typical weekend for yourself in those days?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2907.52,2913.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: Well, I'd work probably during the week, and weekend was just time to have fun. I mean, it was a very vibrant community, you got a lot of parties, and I loved music, I loved going out and going to the bars, and I would try and get some exercise and I'd do something, a hike or something over the weekend. 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It was an incredible— just a great place to be. I mean, I just had so much fun at that time in my life in Eugene. But I was also really into hiking, and I also brought you a little article out of the WomanSpirit magazine. There was a group of women in, I think it was probably '73, '74, we climbed Broken Top, which is in the Sisters range. And it was a group of women who had never mountain climbed before, never did anything like that before. And it was organized by a woman named Charlotte Mills. Charlotte organized us, and we had to hike in, so backpacked in, and then climbed this mountain. And there's an article about it, and it's really interesting because women hadn't done this before and it was so empowering for so many women.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2936.81,2991.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I remember getting to the top and before you get to the very top there's this little, it's only about this wide, this little rock thing you had to pass to get across to get to the top. And it was a straight drop off on both sides. And I said, \"I don't care, I'm going to sit down.\" I sat down and scooted myself across that, and then got up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=2991.75,3012.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And there was actually a couple of women that didn't really want even to go across it, but again, that's what it was. It was just, if you could think it, and you could do it, and there'd be other people who could do it with you, and let's go do this. And it was just— I visit southern Oregon a lot, visit friends at the coast. 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I would just go down to visit, I knew Lina and I would just go to visit and hang out. But yeah, just a lot going on. But you would find me a lot of times, yeah, backpacking, hiking, climbing a mountain, playing softball.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3040.46,3063.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And where were you living? Did you say that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3063.73,3065.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: Let's see. At that point I was living— well, I lived with Judy Goldstein for a while, and that was fun because Judy and I, we'd go— Judy was training at the time, and then obviously we'd go to class, we'd train, we'd come home, we always had brown rice and mozzarella cheese on top, every meal after we would go training that's what we'd eat, and sit around and talk about class.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3065.87,3089.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I lived with Judy for part of that, and then I moved. I lived in these two little houses. One is over on Ash street down by the Rose Garden. And it was just this teeny little house. I lived there. And then I lived with Judy, and then I moved to a teeny little house on Rasor Avenue, which is, do you know where that is? Front of the bike path right towards River Road. I lived there, and before that I think I lived in a home with other women. But yeah, I don't remember exactly where.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3089.95,3121.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So what work did you do after Crescent Construction folded?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3121.27,3125.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: Well, I worked on my own for a little bit as a carpenter, like I said, and then I decided to change directions. Then I started getting involved in sports medicine, and I actually spent about two years trying to figure out what I wanted to do, and I would job shadow people, and I would look at all these jobs and I would figure out what I wanted to do. But you know what I really wanted to do? I wanted to be a paramedic, and I couldn't get into a school because I was a female.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3125.62,3158.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And at that time I applied to so many schools and I was denied admission over and over and over. And because at that time what they were taking were Vietnam vets, the paramedics out of Vietnam. And those were the people who were going into paramedic school. And so I never did get into a school, and then I really didn't want to be an EMT, so I narrowed it down to physical therapy, and I'm a certified athletic trainer. I don't say athletic trainer because no one knows what that is. Do you know what athletic trainer is?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3159.2,3189.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When I say I'm an athletic trainer you think I trained dogs, or I'm a coach or something like that, but it's sports medicine. We did all the medical care. I started getting into that, and then I actually started my student training. I had to do 400 hours to get into graduate school. I went to U of O, and in the old PE buildings. I forgot to mention, I also played softball for U of O, Becky Sisley was my coach. I don't know if anyone's talked about Becky Sisley, but yeah, I played for Becky in U of O. I think that—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3190.12,3220.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you know Peg Rees when you were here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3220.23,3221.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: That name sounds really familiar. Yeah. But I spent a lot of time in that part of the campus. Anyway, I originally did my student hours, and I think you've talked to Janet Anderson? So Janet was my supervisor out at Lane, and then I spent time at Sheldon High School as well. I did my student hours there. And then I got into graduate school. I was in graduate school, I went back to graduate school at thirty-three. And then I was in graduate school, and that became my new career. But I also, during that time, I would do workshops on martial arts injuries, and I had to do a human movement analysis. I did it on a forward punch.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3221.89,3267.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I started really expanding into the medical aspect of martial arts as well. And I'd been medical staff at a lot of the big martial arts, what do you call them? Conferences. I really started shifting gears away from carpentry and more into sports medicine and that field. The other thing I forgot to mention was I also took a trip, did you talk to Janet Anderson about the trip to Russia?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3269.9,3300.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Not yet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3300.34,3300.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: Okay. So in 1987, my partner and I went with Janet as a citizen diplomat to Russia. And it was for the Women's Peace Conference that was held in Moscow in 1987, and that was incredible. All I wanted to let you know is if you talk to Janet, and if you get any archive for that trip, I have so much stuff. Again, I have hundreds of slides, I have all this— What was fascinating for me is I picked up all this literature from all these other countries about peace. And it's just fascinating to go back and look at all that now. I have all of that as well. And so if you, I don't know if you end up ever doing anything or want anything for that, I brought a little bit of it today, but I have so much more. But I'll let Janet talk about that trip primarily, but it was an amazing experience for me as well. And as part of that, so a spin off from that, Janet invited athletes, soviet athletes to the United States, and I hosted them in Portland, because I was working in Jefferson High School in Portland at that time. And so I hosted them at Jeff, and it was great. They had a great time. I had a great time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3301.08,3376.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I just showed them around Portland, but the athletes at Jefferson High School love meeting Soviet athletes. And so that was great. So I worked with Janet on that as well. But yeah, and then I just really started shifting gears and that became, I went to school, graduated, got my master's degree and took off from there. And then I had a thirty-five year career in sports medicine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3376.15,3397.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What were you doing at the Jefferson high school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3397.7,3400.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: Well, I was their head athletic trainer. And again, athletic trainer, I was head of their sports medicine program, so I was responsible for medical care of all the high school athletes. And it's an incredible job because I spent thirty years at Pacific University, and I spent twenty-five years as the head of their sports medicine program, and basically developed the whole program. And then I had an internship program for students to get certified as athletic trainers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3401.18,3437.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I did that as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3437.02,3438.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I was responsible for hundreds of athletes, their lives, every single day. And I worked seven days a week, and I was on call twenty-four hours a day. And it was a grueling job. But I loved it, and I loved the athletes. I loved the students. I just retired and that's what I miss. I miss the students. I mean, because I love them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3438.69,3460.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'd love that age. I love that energy. I just love who they are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3460.6,3464.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I started out in high school athletic training, and actually, I should back up a little because my first job, I got a GTF, a fellowship. I was an athletic trainer at Springfield High School for a year and then—.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3464.85,3479.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you ever worry working in education about being out as a lesbian?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3480.32,3485.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: I really kept that out of my work because of where I worked, especially early on, I really just kept that separate from my work unless I was making friends with a colleague or something. I mean, my colleagues knew, but I really didn't really discuss it much with the athletes. I just really kept it out of that. And again, just because of the nature of the job really. And I just, I don't know, it just didn't go there—.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3485.51,3516.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You weren't worried about being out with your colleagues?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3517.35,3519.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: No. I worked with some really pretty awful coaches and I wasn't going to discuss that with them, but there were people at work that I— in fact, my supervisors in both of my jobs were gay, so it was fine, but I really didn't really go there with the athletes too much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3519.18,3545.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I loved it. It was a great job. I did that for twenty-five years, and then we started a master's program at Pacific in the health professions campus in athletic training. They came and hired me out of the basement and made me a professor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3545.13,3561.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I ended my career as a professor at the health professions campus, and best job in my life. I loved it, because I helped start the program. There was no program. I was hired to help start the program. And I was responsible for the clinical part of it. I mean, I taught, but the clinical education was my baby. I got to develop that from the ground up. And it was incredible. Because of my connections I was able to get contracts with the Winter Hawks and the Thorns, and the Timbers, and all the Portland schools.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3562.19,3597.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had contracts with all the schools in the area. I was able to put all my students into these great, and all the small colleges, Lewis and Clark and George Fox. And just even— let's see, I even had a student up with the Seattle Storm, and so it was wonderful. And if a student had an interest, I was able to put something together for them. I had a student who was interested in dance, working in dance medicine. I was able to set that up. But it was great. I loved it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3597.91,3625.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had a great time and it was a wonderful way to end my career, and a wonderful way to retire.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3625.4,3629.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What is the training that the student gets in—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3629.83,3633.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: In a program?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3633.11,3635.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3635.59,3635.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: It's very heavily based in science, anatomy, physiology, biomechanics, kinesiology, nutrition, sports psych, emergency care.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3635.9,3648.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We're the people who run out on the field, when you see somebody get injured on the field, that was me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3648.94,3654.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3654.44,3654.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: So, really heavy training in emergency care. I was responsible for all on field, anything that happened on field, so really focused on medicine. They even get pharmacology. And then a lot of it's based on hours, just putting in hours. I had to do 1,500 hours to get my degree on top of my 400 that I'd already done of just experience to get to get my degree. It's really based on experience and it's intense, and it's interesting because people really don't know about us, or know what we do. I don't ever say I'm an athletic trainer. I just say I'm sports medicine, but that's not really my degree. I'm a certified athletic trainer, but a great career and a great way to retire. And I have all these students out there now that, I mean, I have hundreds of students out there who are practicing and doing great. And that's just a joy for me, and that we're still in touch. I have one call me yesterday actually, and— But I loved my mentors. When I was starting out, Lou Osternig was my mentor, and I love that guy, and I would still call him years later to help me out. I'm happy to do that for students now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3654.54,3736.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What are your plans in retirement?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3737.6,3739.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: Well, I just retired. Well, I retired, I bought a house. Well, actually I didn't buy a house right away. I just bought a house a year ago and it needed a remodel, so that was getting done, and I'm just settling into my new home, and just figuring out what I want to do now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3740.73,3758.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3758.62,3759.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you move from where you were living in the middle of town?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3759.28,3761.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: I was living in Forest Grove.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3761.84,3763.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And you're still living in Forest Grove?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3763.91,3765.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: And I'm still living in Forest Grove. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3765.44,3765.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And do you have a community there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3765.31,3766.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: No, not really. Not too much of one. I mean, I have my friends, and my family's there, but no, it was never much of a community in Forest Grove. I actually moved there. When I started at Pacific, I was living in Portland, and then the commute just got to be too much, and so then we moved out to Forest Grove.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3767.28,3788.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the other thing you wanted to talk to me about was being a mom. And we haven't talked about that, but so in 1979, my friend Anne Moon had Nilda and I was actually— Anne is a friend of mine who— she rode her bicycle here from New York with Colleen Gregin, they rode from New York to Eugene, to move to— and they're both martial artists, and so I knew them through martial arts. I knew Anne Moon, and she's my friend, and so she was pregnant. I was playing cards with her when she went into labor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3788.9,3822.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it was really interesting because it became this community event, this birth of this child. I left for a while, and it was at home, it was a home birth with a midwife. And I left for a while and I came back and I couldn't get in the house. There were so many people, and the midwife is like, \"No, there's enough people in here already.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3822.99,3847.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, you're not coming in.\" I was like, okay. So anyway, the long story short is Nilda ended up having to be born at the hospital. I became one to Nilda's moms, because I talked earlier about how we were just reinventing everything, doing everything differently, and so here's Anne Moon with her new baby. And so her plan is I'm going to have a community of women to help me raise Nilda. I was one of those people, so I'm one of Nilda's moms. I'm still her mom, and she's going to be forty next year. And my daughter and her consider themselves sisters.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3847.36,3890.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was a wonderful thing. I loved being a mom to Nilda. And, I mean, I spent a lot of time with Nilda, very young, and I would take her over to the coast, and she'd spend the night with me, and I hung out with her a lot. And it was a really, really great thing for me and a really great bond that I have with Nilda. And I was just so glad to be part of that experience. I'd always wanted to have children. I always wanted to be a mom my entire life, wasn't sure how that was going to happen. But then I adopted my daughter, my partner and I adopted our daughter, and she was born in 1994, and so we adopted her when she was eleven months old.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3892.13,3930.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How did that adoption work out?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3930.36,3932.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: Well, it had to be a single parent adoption. My partner adopted and then we were the first lesbian couple in Multnomah County to adopt. I was the first person to adopt another child.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3933.71,3950.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: As a second parent?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3950.47,3951.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: As a second parent. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3951.29,3952.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Oh, cool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3954.23,3954.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: That was really cool. So she, yeah, so we went through the adoption process after they got back from— because Kelly actually went to China to get Olivia, and brought Olivia back, and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3954.54,3964.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What was the agency that you used?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3964.95,3966.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: Journeys of the Heart, which is an agency up in Hillsboro. Olivia was born in January of 1994. And, like I said, she was eleven months old, and she's now twenty-four and just finished her— she’s a speech language pathologist, and she just graduated and just got her first job. So she's working with Salem-Keizer School District, and just moved into a little apartment, and left home, and is working now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3967.12,3999.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And so did she grew up in Forest Grove?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=3999.65,4001.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: Yes. Well, we lived in Portland initially and then when she was four we moved to Forest Grove. She grew up there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4001.5,4007.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you have sense of what it was like for her to grow up with two moms in Forest Grove?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4007.25,4010.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: I think the bigger issue for her was being Asian in Forest Grove.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4011.34,4016.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was the bigger issue. And sometimes I wonder about that decision to do that, but she was one of two Asians kids, and so I think that was hard for her. But she's a very resilient, very tough kid, and she made friends, and made her life, and I think she did okay. But I think that there were times it was hard for her. I mean, she would come home and talk about things at different times.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4016.75,4046.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because I think Forest Grove is— it's not the most enlightened place in terms of race, I don't think. So I think that was probably the bigger issue, because what would happen is the friends that she would make would be totally fine with our family. And we did make a lot of friends, and we had a community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4047.85,4066.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the other thing that was interesting is we started this playgroup when Olivia was one. We started this little playgroup of all these other families who had adopted from China. And that playgroup exists to this day. We still get together for holidays and we go camping. And so the girls are all now in their, they're all twenty, twenty-four, twenty-five. And it's been amazing to watch all of them grow up and what they've gone on to do. But I loved being a mom. I love being a mom to Nilda, I love being a mom to Olivia. And I liked that part of my life a lot. It something I always wanted, and I was really happy that that could happen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4066.86,4103.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And Nilda and Olivia spent a lot of time together. They knew each other.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4103.46,4106.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: They know each other. Well, Nilda is much older.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4106.57,4108.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Yeah. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4108.85,4108.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: Nilda's forty, but yeah, Nilda would come stay with us and Nilda wasn't too sure about the whole thing when we decided to adopt Olivia though, because—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4108.97,4118.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Was a little jealous.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4119.47,4119.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: —she'd always been the baby, but it all worked out. They're sisters and they're— Nilda's in Seattle, but they regularly communicate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4119.81,4132.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4132.64,4132.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Have you taught your carpentry, self-defense, or sports medicine skills to either of them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4132.95,4139.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: Well, when Olivia was younger I actually had a martial arts class for kids in my garage, and that went on for a while. And then I realized she's not too interested, so we let go of that. But she grew up in my training room. She grew up in the athletic training room.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4141.82,4161.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She grew up around all those athletes, she grew up around— She would go in and— I don't know how much you know about our work and what we do, but we use a lot of tape. And so she'd go in that train room and wrap herself all up in tape and pre-wrap. But by about age six, she was working, I had her making ice bags and filling water bottles. And then by eight or nine she could wrap ice bags on the athletes, and she was working. She just would come in and help me out, and she loved it there. The athletes loved her, she loved them, and I thought for a while she might go into the athletic training field, but she ended up going into SLP instead. But she loved it and I think she would have been great at athletic train, because she has the kind of personality that would be great for that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4161.49,4207.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But she totally grew up around sports medicine. And she's an athlete herself, and so I became her personal— yeah, she ran cross country for Linfield and Pacific, and so she's a runner. And so we would have lots of conversations about how to take care of herself, and how to take care of her injuries, and so I took care of her as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4207.92,4228.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you and your partner ever get married?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4228.92,4230.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: No, we didn't because we actually separated. We were together thirty years and just separated about two years ago, but we are friends. We live across the street from each other and it's really nice for Olivia because she can just come home and see us. And so that worked out. But yeah, that was a difficult thing. But I think that—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4230.84,4256.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you care to talk about how that came to be, the separation?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4256.23,4259.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: Yeah. I mean, I think really what I will just say, I mean, like I said, Kelly was only twenty-nine when we got together, and I'm older, I'm six years older. And I think it just became— I just realized the partnership wasn't working. And I think Kelly just wanted more of an independent life, and maybe because she felt, I think she felt like she never really had that, and that was something she really wanted. That's what happened. And we don't hate each other, it's just what happened. But I'm glad that we are being able to work it out and stay together, especially for Olivia, and we never really involved Olivia in anything negative around it. And she always knows she's got her two moms, and we're there for her, both of us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4259.96,4327.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it's funny because she was like this mom is it this week, and then this mom is it this week. And she did that a lot growing up, but we're both very committed to her and are parenting her, and we always have been. And, yeah. And we've always really felt like we were great parents together because we had really some things that complemented each other. We feel very, very proud of what we did there, and raising our daughter, and we'll continue to be there for her. And yeah, we both live— like I said, we live across the street. We live in a fifty-five plus community across the street from each other, because it's interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4328.0,4372.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mean, it was really hard for me because we owned a home in the old town Forest Grove and sold it. And in this economy I couldn't afford to buy a home, and it was really hard for me as a native Oregonian, I worked here all my life and not be able to afford a home— so, I could afford.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4372.61,4388.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: But you built the homes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4388.04,4388.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: Yeah. I built them, can't afford them. But so I ended up in this situation. I'm quite happy there, but I travel a lot these days. I have an RV, and I travel, and I'm active, I'm busier than ever and, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4389.3,4404.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Is there anything we haven't covered that you think is important?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4404.79,4408.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: I forgot to mention, too. I started to talk about getting more involved in the medical— doing the martial arts injury workshops and that sort of thing, but I also became involved with Shooting Stars. Have you talked to anyone from Shooting—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4408.93,4424.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Mm-mm [negative].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4424.34,4424.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: Shooting Stars is the women's wheelchair basketball team, and yeah, I don't if you've ever talked to some of them, but, I got involved with them and as their medical person, and it was so cool because I would go to practice and they would put me in a wheelchair. Have you ever played wheelchair basketball? It is really, really, really hard. I would practice, and I would always be the one falling over in the wheelchair, and having to get up. But I loved my time with them. I loved working with them. It really helped me in terms of my education about how to work with people with disabilities, and because it's obviously very different, so it was a great experience for me. I got to go to the national tournament with them, and I actually have a program from the national tournament, and they call me their trainer and their bodyguard. And so that was a wonderful experience. I traveled with all those women down to San Diego and got to be at the tournament, and we went over to Tijuana one day, but it was a wonderful experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4424.32,4486.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I've just been happy that I can take my skills and just use them in lots of different ways, even my carpentry skills, I mean, I've done stuff for myself and other people, but to just make it all work in lots of different settings for lots of different people, I've really enjoyed that. Other than that I don't think so. I have my little cheat sheet here, but— Oh, the other thing I did as well. Do you know Twinkle Morton?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4486.7,4517.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Twinkle Morton was in charge of the tutoring services at U of O for athletes. I worked my way through graduate school as a tutor for athletes who had graduated from high school and were here, and some of them can barely read or write. And it really upset me because it was like, so you've used this person in your high school and your schooling as your athlete, and you're representing your school, but you never educated them and you never made sure that they got an education, and you never made sure that they actually, yeah, I mean, it was really upsetting to me. I'm here teaching, I was supposed to be tutoring them in anatomy and physiology, but actually I'm tutoring them and writing and reading. And then, so I did that in graduate school and work for Twinkle, and I really enjoyed that as well. That was a good experience for me as well, but it really opened my eyes to the athletic world. And the athletic world is really interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4518.1,4586.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I actually went to a national convention of athletic trainers in 1987 and was told by the president of the association that women would never be allowed in professional sports because we couldn't handle the language, and we couldn't handle seeing men, nude men, in the locker rooms. Well, I've had a career in athletic training and I've been just fine. That was the attitude, but it's interesting because now women make up the highest percentage of athletic trainers now. That was a male profession and I had— again, like the carpentry, I had to break into that profession. It was male dominated, and male controlled, and women were trying to break into that. And they have, but there are still no women athletic trainers in professional sports. I mean, I think there might be an assistant in basketball or something, but— That world hasn't really changed a lot. And I've been in it thirty- five years, and it's still a pretty male controlled and dominated, but women are really making a lot of inroads into that profession as well. I've just always been a person who if you told me I can't do it, I'm going to do it. That's how I've lived my life basically. You tell me I can't do it, I'm going to do it. If I want to do it, I'm going to do it, and I'm going to make it happen. It's one way or another.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4586.96,4673.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Is there some advice that you would give to a young person who's watching this, from the experience of your life?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4673.31,4680.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: Probably one of the biggest things I would say is be true to yourself. Be true to yourself and know yourself. And what I just said, go for it. I mean, if there's something you want to do, go for it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4681.83,4693.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Don't let people tell you can't do it, don't— and you're going to run into roadblocks, you're going to run into setbacks. You're going to run into people who don't want you to succeed, then you're going to run into people who do want you to succeed, but just don't give up. Just go it. Just do it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4695.55,4710.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And think big. That's the other thing. I always just thought big. It was like going to Nepal. If I saw that, I knew I was going to do that, and that's how I have done my life. It's like I want to do, I'm going to do it in one way or another, and now I haven't been able to do everything I wanted to do in my life, obviously, but just don't take no for an answer. Just go for it. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4712.1,4736.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Thanks so much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4736.78,4739.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McIntosh: You bet. Thank you. How'd we do on time? I felt like I was talking forever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4739.06,4742.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[END OF INTERVIEW]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332#t=4743.0,4743.11"}]},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56122/file/130332/transcript/92594/annotation/291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/594/original/782_Coll520_do032_aligned.vtt?1776852362","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/594/original/782_Coll520_do032_aligned.vtt?1776852362"}]}]}]}