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This is going to be interview and London and sorry brother Euro you will. Paul her June 7th, 1965 with James Blue. And I think there'll be some friends. His wife will be there three and three quarters. Maybe if we had a little drink or something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=6.36,30.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Good. Mix and mix it up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=31.5,34.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e What do you want to have a scotch?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=36.69,37.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. I guess.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=38.07,38.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm not going to make me what I.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=39.36,40.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Know. Please.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=40.77,41.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Scott hasn't made it yet, and I'm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=41.82,43.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm fine with it. That's the way it is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=44.15,46.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Isn't class on the other side? Let me take one of these back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=48.72,51.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. 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Would you say the word mandate was about doing the same work at the same time as you, or was it would you be a sort of one of the ones that picked up immediately? Right. Yeah. What is Van Dike about the same time, you know, and.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=59.16,86.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, record, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=86.96,87.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I had it turned on that I.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=88.67,89.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e We can if you want.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=90.11,90.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e It. That's all right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=91.22,91.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But, you know, I think, I think we really learned a great deal for, you know, for himself. Yeah. And I think he, he also learned a great deal from Taylor Lorenz. Yeah. Who's feeling this. You know, we all know very well indeed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=92.21,106.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I have the I have the feeling that Van Dike sort of a generation later or ten years later, in a way he grew up through the river, you know, and then he began making about 3940, I believe. 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So I have a lot and not very long ago.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=129.62,134.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I had to go and see how the go to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=135.86,138.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Doing. 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I think it is possible that my visit to to America in 1937 or 38, when I was the guest of the Rockefeller Foundation, I was in the Warner Film Library. I was asked to go over there and take a representative program of, of, of English documentary films and show them, you know, Universities and or many places, film clubs and so on and so forth. And I think it is possible that, you know, some of those pictures, not necessarily my own, but pictures like. Right. And Harry what's not male and adult and and and STIs housing problems. Picture I produced in South Wales amongst the unemployed miners. This may have had a certain, you know, a certain influence. I do know that a sharing of one of my own films and I didn't want to sort of, you know, peddle my own pictures of the place that the film I made in England here in 1935, I think it was called The Face of Britain. And I know this was shot at the white House and had, I am told, I wasn't there myself, but I am told that had a considerable effect on on President Roosevelt at that time. And it was after that that Lorenz was able to set up, you know, his own unit to plow and to make the river and the fight for life and the other films that he made after that. I've always felt myself. It was a great tragedy that Lorenz did not go on making films, but I think he's mainly concentrated on journalism since the war.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=201.4,317.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e So this is a great mystery to us. 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I think it was called power in the land I remember. Right. And I think this film. Had a very considerable impact. You see, one of the great dangers, in my opinion, and I said this in my book way back in 1935, and I'm a documentary film book that we early youngsters, you know, tended to romanticize the machine and forget about the individual and the human being. And I think in 35 I came out very clearly in this, and you can quote it out of the book if you want to, as I'm done. And when I said it's not the machine that matters, it's the human being behind the machine that matters. 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And of course, through Lawrence's things, we're seeing the machines. Your earlier films were almost all around machines of some sort, either a ship or an airplane. No, but there was such a a strong it seemed to me almost that the thing is communicated to most of us that were very interested in documentary was a kind of a crusading spirit, kind of a feeling that you were doing something that needed to be done.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=467.12,499.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e What was the purpose? 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As you know, I've been in America for a number of years and came back and sought out this idea that there could be government sponsorship for making films without any kind of political strings and address, and was able to put this idea to one, I think, one of the great civil servants we've ever had in this time. The late Steven Tyler, who was the secretary of the who was called at that time, as was the in Power Marketing board. And it was agreed to begin with that. Sure. The board would finance two pictures, one for quite a lot of money. I want for very little money. Ingress and ingress. And he chose the one for very little money. And he made what has become a historic film which, you know by title as Drifters. And after that. And after that. It was put to grass. And what he liked to make, what he liked to direct himself another film. And Grierson very unselfishly said, no. What you thought was extremely important was to form a unit, and he would become a producer and bring in young men into the business. And I think the whole of British documentary owes a tremendous debt for gross and for having done this. It was impossible under the set up of an Empire marketing board was, after all, was there to to to publicize empire, trade and power goods. And one couldn't be able to make sociological films under that. I think most of us at that time, and some of us still are very socially conscious about what we want to say in pictures, but we extended this idea of aggressions in the industry as distinct from government. I suppose I probably was the first to do this in my film contact in 1930, 32, 33, which certainly wasn't a politically conscious film, but it tried to take the airplane and use it as a means of communication in mankind, from from a peace point, not a war from a peace and point of view. And this film, I'm very happy to say, was a very big success, not only in this country but in other countries.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=524.34,724.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e At this time in 32. There were very few films had been done. There had been the the rather sensational reception of Nanook ten years earlier. There had been a few copies of Nanook and then Moana. But really, nothing else had come along.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=724.59,740.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Very little. No, nothing. What we need is a documentary tradition.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=741.09,744.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And these were, of course, sort of pre documentary. What? How would you define the documentary tradition in persons words as something trying to shape society?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=745.21,754.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Or would you go. Well, both John and I have different interpretations you would say. He always used a phrase the creative interpretation of reality. I use the phrase the creative interpretation of reality through several human beings. And there was a certain difference there. But as far as envy in the unit which succeeded it, the GPO General Post Office Film unit, those homes had to be circumscribed to to a very large extent. And it was government manual public money rather. And although there was that nightmare land, North Sea and very exciting films, but they could not touch on social problems. Well, we sort of broke away from that. And I started up a unit. Called The Old. It was called the Strand Film Company. Why? It was called the Strand Phone Company was one had to hide out from exhibitors in this country. Cinema. We had to hide up the fact that these films were sponsored to say, I will not advertise in films, but I was able to raise a certain amount of money from social bodies and foundations and so on and so forth to make films on on social problems. I was not the only one by a long way. Elton did the same and Basil Wright did the same. And. You see, we've always been diplomats in our business and had to be there. Or should I say gangsters? I don't know which is a better word, but we discovered, you see, in the 30s that in those days there was a tremendous competition between the services which supplied gas. I didn't mean petrol, groaning gas, you know, you you used to heat and cook by and the electricity corporations, they were fighting each other like cats and dogs for competition. And we found out that the gas people were much more enlightened from a public relations point of view than the electricity people. And we also found out that in the Gas Council or whatever it was called at that time, I can't remember the British Commercial Gas Association, but they had a very intelligent public relations officer who realized that if he he could get money to finance films about bad schools and about slums and about all these problems, it might lead in the long run to, you know, sell him as cookers or whatever it is. And we cashed in on this particular situation, and that's why we got the gas people to finance such films with housing problems and battle riots. Children at school and other pictures at that particular period.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=755.64,947.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you remember what happened when you had to go talk to these people? This is a term. This was a tremendously new idea. At first. The cinema wasn't terribly respected at that time. Second year was a depression. And spending money for sort of unproven ideas was, was was a risky thing. And this was another kind of cinema that wasn't going to appeal to people, presumably.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=948.06,973.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e So what? Well, this guy, there's many problems there. First place, we were all good talkers. Questions the best talker, the world next to the late Alexander Korda. And we were able to sell our ideas to the sponsor in the first place. All right. That meant a certain amount of money. Not very much. My God, we made those films on very, very slender budgets. But having made the films, the problem of them was to get them shot. And this was much, much more difficult. In some cases we failed. In other cases we were extremely successful through, you know, commercial distributors. But it meant an awful lot of drinking in pubs and this, that and the other too, you know, to get our pictures. This was a very big problem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=974.4,1023.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But you did manage to break down. So I mean, you had to go then to the private enterprise. At that time the government was still not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=1024.859,1031.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You must remember it was a Tory government in that period. I mean, they were never they were never able to finance any kind of film which touched on any sort of kind of social problem at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=1032.66,1041.569"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What? Was the condition of things at that time, really. And you touched on it. I was trying to get a larger that affected you and these other people to make you feel, My God, film can do this. It was there. There was there must have been things from social standpoint and things from an esthetical standpoint, you see, which started to exist, that influenced you to make this decision and see that it was possible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=1043.16,1074.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I can only speak for myself personally on this. I was never terribly interested on the esthetic side. It is true that I grew up in my very younger years as a as a painter, as an artist.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=1076.39,1091.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You were I.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=1092.44,1092.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Was a painter. And this, I suppose, to a certain extent, influenced my, you know, pictorial images and sense of design and patterns. But at that time we were all the most passionate film maker, a fifth of For film goers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=1093.34,1112.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And this was before you even thought of making films.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=1114.46,1117.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Before I'd even make. I always wanted to make films, but it just wasn't possible to. That we were influenced. And I think we owe a great debt of gratitude very much to the Russians. Particularly to the famous films by I don't sign on Top Rank, but Afghan and the others we were influenced, I think also as I was anyway, by the by the films of Pabst. And I think also we were influenced by Carol Cantor's films in Paris or like or Corners connoisseur and and so on. But. A passionate attraction to this was not basically an esthetic that it was basically to put across something in which, you know, we had a personal feeling, a personal social message to do. This was the beginning of the film, middle of the film and the end of the film. And we used what technique we could learn in terms of camera work or in terms of cutting or whatever it may be, to try and express this particular ideal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=1117.98,1187.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e At that time, you felt very morally involved. The film could help society.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=1193.68,1197.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Very much so I still do. Yes. I've never lost it. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=1198.96,1202.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And that the conditions were such that this was the time you could do it, but you could not get into the industry through this. Yeah. You had to sit in front of them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=1206.34,1216.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e The way you had to do it. You had to get out to have money and grace. And as I've just said, it fit the way I found an outside sponsorship.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=1216.96,1223.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Had you met Grierson at that time before this took place?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=1224.58,1227.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I met John first in a coffee shop. Should have been a pub. I met him in a coffee shop in Gerrard Street, which is just off Water Street, which is, you know, the commercial side of the film business in London. And I had just I had just seen his film Drifters, which had a very sensational premiere at the London Film Society, co billed, or perhaps I should say, a supporting feature to the great, I think the greatest of all films ever made, which is Potemkin and. I recognized and I have a cup of coffee and I sat there all morning. I had no work to do, unfortunately.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=1230.04,1283.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You were you were not working at the time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=1284.76,1286.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I was not working at all. That and. I met Grayson. And you having a coffee. I went across and talked to him and he said, well. In 2 or 3 months time, maybe I can find a small niche for you in my, in my unit at. In those days, it wasn't so bad, I suppose. I think it was 3 pounds a week, which I wouldn't remember back in terms of dollars at that period. And now it be, what, three, seven, 21 about 20, $21 a week? And I made a number of to begin with, I made a number of what we used to call poster films. And these were films. We had to make one a week, rather like a trailer. And they were about, oh, somewhere around about 60 or 70ft long. And this used to be used to be projected. On a continuous real, you know, running around, around around the projector at the various exhibitions for the only about board. That wasn't my beginning in films by a very long way. I mean, I started originally as not to read em in feature pictures before I came in and.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=1286.29,1366.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You were doing sets.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=1367.52,1368.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I took designing sets, and I was also a property man and all this kind of stuff, but. It was one's disillusion with the the commercial side of the business, and also the fact that 1928 saw the coming of sound. Can you say the can you see you can't see the coming of the sound. You can hear the sound. And all the studios in England were completely shut down for about six months. So there's just no work in the business at all. And. It was part of that. I think that made me feel so strongly that we must find some alternative economic reason for making films. And this is what attracted me to the Grierson idea. I had then spent a year out of work writing my book. A film till now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=1368.75,1443.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You'd already been.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=1444.58,1445.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I'd spent. Yes, I'd already been writing this book for a year. And then, as I said, I'm at rest, and I made I was I worked with John for about five months, I think. But you know what it is when you get to rather strong personalities, which he is, and I'm afraid I am. We agreed to disagree that good Democrats can do. And I left the unit after about six months. And then. And then that I had the idea of finding outside money. You know, it does in the end, documents the governmental. He was the governmental end. 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They don't want to. It was all quite a group, you know. And I don't think any one person should.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=1501.82,1508.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e There was a kind of there was a greater complicity. Look back in the old journals of 1931 32, which I've been going through. There was quite a kind of an interchange of ideas and an a mutual enthusiasm for this new cinema of realism. Yeah, calling it a realistic film as if it were a a new idea and great film to see. I wonder if you could comment more about what it was like at that time to suddenly be dealing with films that were taken. Was supposedly were aiming at, you know, social conditions. You were using the non professional, you were using real settings, you were trying to say something in a way that was completely away from the others. I suppose it was a great amount of Susie enthusiasm. I was forward.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=1508.96,1566.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, a tremendous amount of enthusiasm. We had very little money, not just to make the with which to make the pictures, but to live on oneself. And it wasn't difficult to look around the horizon and find out the important social subjects about which we felt films should be made, any more than it is now. And in passing, I rather deplored the fact that some of my former colleagues at that period have more recently come out and said, you know, these social problems don't still exist cos they exist. I could name the 20th social problems exist in this country right at this moment. I'm sure you could do the same thing as a visitor here. But what is much more difficult today is to find that same kind of sponsorship which we were able to do in the 30s. The the question of using Nonprofessionals. We believe very much in the, in the what I can only call it the reality of existence. But I was rather a rebel. Because quite early on I said to myself, and I think this comes out again in my book, that you can you can hire a bus conductor. A bus driver, shall we say that? And you can drive a bus. And maybe he lives in a council house somewhere or other, and he's got a wife and three children and so on. But you can't do anything more with him than the fact that he's a human being first and foremost. Secondly, has a wife and two children. He lives in a council house, but you can't get a performance out of. And other than the way he drives his bus, all the way he works in his garden, and I suppose I was perhaps one of the first of the English documentary people. Anyway, to begin to use actors. If I wanted an emotional sequence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=1568.23,1692.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You. Why? Why is it? Let me just sort of to make it a little clear, why did you feel you could not get an emotional performance out of a out of a bus driver? Let's say you guys are bad.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=1692.99,1702.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e If you're very fortunate and you can find a real person. Who is what is called and this is a cliche, a natural actor, then I think you can probably do this so hard. He was very lucky in being able to find such people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=1704.8,1720.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You mean someone who is a naturally sensitive?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=1721.63,1723.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Who is your natural? Exactly. But is it my approach to people in films, whether I make a feature story film or whether I make a documentary film, is all people are just people, and it's up to me by various methods, which are that I think are very personal methods, rather than perhaps methods to get a performance out of this person. And I think this depends very much on the psychology of that of the director, But I've used quite a number of actors in my films and I have never, as some documentary people have said, I have never believed the documentary must only be, you know, in real surroundings and with nonprofessional actors. And so I think, I think, you know, the, the, the, the end justifies the means. And I was quite a number of actors.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=1723.55,1780.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But then your definition of documentary would not necessarily be the most surface. No aspects.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=1781.0,1787.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Not at all. I think that I make no definite definition of documentary, have avoided doing it all my life, but I do think it lies in the approach to your subject and not necessarily in the in in in the technique.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=1787.96,1804.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What kind of approach do you feel in this is more characteristically documentary? Do you think you could say of your future films you have your feature films that they are, in a sense, documentary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=1805.75,1815.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e On. I'll give you an example here. We'll take two pictures. We'll take for the Heart is Film Louisiana Story, a picture which I like very much did and will also take roughly the same time. The sixth film I'm about today. Now, both of these films used nonprofessional. I shouldn't call actors that nonprofessional people anyway, but the cost the seeker had been making feature films. His film was called a feature fiction film because Bob Lockhart had been making Nanook miner and the rest. You know, it was called a documentary. I simply cannot see the difference between these two films because de Jessica, for whom I have the greatest respect in the world, had taken absolutely normal, natural, ordinary, everyday people and some professional actors. And unless you knew it was very difficult to tell who was which, who was whom. And. Flaherty had also cheated like hell in Louisiana story. Because the little boy. What's his name? Napoleon. Napoleon? Yeah. You see, as you read about in my book about the party is this kid can cartoon kind Indian agent. You know, Bob put him in a in a in a in a little canoe. This point in his life before had to be taught how to paddle it. Isn't it like teaching an actor? So, I mean, where do in where to begin? I don't think you can lay down rules on this thing at all. And, Bob, much as I flouted it, as much as I respect the memory he faked or created just as much as the seeker did, or Rossellini has done, or many other actors. I get it, I guess.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=1818.72,1957.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But isn't there something there that that links Flatley? And De Sica and Rossellini and Chaplin for that matter in that aspect? Isn't there something that links them there that tends to make us want to call them documentary, whereas we wouldn't call whoever it was moving. The writer made Bambi, not Bambi, but the young, the what is it? The the thing about the deer that happened also in the movie, not man, that was a cartoon, but the yearly The Yearling.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=1958.16,1986.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e The yearling is a Clarence Brown.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=1986.84,1988.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Clarence Brown. Yeah. Now, Clarence Brown is also, you know, it's a great old 30s director.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=1988.95,1992.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Incidentally.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=1993.5,1995.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Very good. Yes. You know what? Greta Garbo was famous, but his films, it has a fiction. I think about it. Whereas priorities as a documentary. Well, we we tend to want to say documentary. You want to make a living. But what are we talking about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=1995.66,2012.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I restate what I have just said. I think it is entirely a matter of approach to your subject matter and your, you know, not star style as a matter of technique. It's a matter of psychological approach to what you're trying to express. When Clarence Brown made a picture. What was it called? Goodness me. For MGM in a town in Mississippi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2015.16,2047.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Called into her in the dust.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2049.409,2050.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Thank you very much. Intruder in the dust. I like this film very much indeed. It was shot to certain extent on location as a little, little studio stuff. And I, putting on my other hat, wrote a review of this picture. And I suppose MGM London sent this back to the studio in Culver City. And I had won chance. Literally. I had my life. From the director and it said, thank you for saying what you did as the only film which I've been proud all my life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2051.449,2091.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Mind, I'm quite far.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2091.62,2092.639"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e From God's wrath. And he said, I felt so good about the time. Now I don't know what it was 6 or 7 or something. Rather, this is the one film I really have been proud of. Well, I don't know what the 70 to 80 Pepsi might have never made this. This made me feel very good. He should have felt this, you know. But I stress this wasn't just because it was made on location. It's because he felt with his subject so deep, although he was using it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2093.51,2122.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e So in a sense, the duck it. Well, what it is makes you call that commentary as a feeling of integrity about wanting to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2123.54,2129.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Take what is a very important.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2129.75,2130.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Word to relate to the same awful. Now. Whether with or without the actors. And I understand that Chris. And that use and what use the night male great amount of performers actors.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2130.86,2149.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no no, not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2150.03,2150.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e At all. I had heard that he had.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2150.99,2152.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. This is not true. Yeah. Can you check this with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2153.18,2157.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, when you're doing a thing like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2158.16,2159.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That with Basil. Right. But I'm pretty sure I'm correct in saying there were no actors Evolution is no ordinary people working on the tree.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2159.84,2168.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e It was so highly controlled. When somebody said that, I almost believed it. Was it because it was a highly controlled kind of film?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2168.66,2174.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Very, very is what you must remember. I want to go back to my point of a moment ago that none of the people who appeared. I didn't say actor. I said who appeared in nightmare or asked to do anything outside their normal job. They all did their job on the night person specials and nothing else.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2175.97,2198.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e There was, but they kind of doing it at on command in a sense. Was it was there, not there. I remember there's there's several there's one pan, for instance, and that it could only have been highly planned, you know, one vertical panoramic in the carbon for the guy throws the thing out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2199.37,2217.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes or no answer because I don't care what it did. But that was a normal thing to do. They did it night after night? It couldn't go wrong. Yeah, yeah, but if you ask that same particular guy who gives a wink to the camera just before he throws out the bag to remember if for some reason or other, the script had called for him to go back and make love to a girlfriend. I mean, this is being ridiculous. If it had, he couldn't have done it unless you had been a natural actor, but because he was doing his normal job. All right, that's fine. But you cannot. I mean, acting is a highly professional thing. A highly delicate, highly sensitive thing that you cannot get out unless you are extremely fortunate, as I say, to find a natural act. I mean, when I made my film. No resting place in Ireland. Well, Ireland is a home of actors, solicitors and doctors. And abortion is a problem. But there you have a nation. Well, you go to any pub in Dublin or in Cork or Limerick or whatever it may be, and you will find people who are naturally expressive without inhibition. You find the same thing in Italy. This is very difficult to find in England because most English people have this tremendous sort of, you know. What is the word?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2218.09,2309.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Corseted?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2310.48,2310.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Sort of. I use the word for. So this sort of tremendous sort of corseted quality and of, of not expressing themselves at all. And that's why it's always very difficult in England itself, as apart from Scotland, Wales and Ireland, different English people who self express it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2311.98,2328.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Through the how come you picked on Limerick for abortion and you forgot the Catholic Church? And I mean my.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2329.83,2335.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Words that doesn't come into this prayer. But if I make a picture now, I mean. I'll use some real people. I'll use some professional people. It depends entirely what sort of character I want them to play. The last picture I made in Holland about the Dutch resistance. I use some real people. Real people. I mean some people who are not actors professionally and some people who work professionally. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2336.1,2368.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What determines your choice and the and the apportionment of roles?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2369.87,2373.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e None at all. And not nothing at all. I choose and tell it by interview. Interview? I never see the performances before what they've done. I've chosen to play by how they talk with me. And I mean, I did cast over a casting table. I'll take them out to have a drink or a meal or something or other like that. And, and I will draw out a Equality from them, but I feel I can then control that quality because a director must completely control the head of this. I have no. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2374.22,2408.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Now I can disagree completely. Nobody can control anybody. A director cannot control a master.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2408.96,2415.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I can, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2416.37,2417.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No camera does what you say. The actor is an actor. A natural person gives out its own natural feeling.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2417.69,2427.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, but you as a director.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2428.49,2429.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Couldn't even take the word real. Apropos. Natural.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2430.14,2434.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But I have to say, this is. This is very important because this is an actor's point of view, a very, very strongly said. And I think almost all directors must cope with now. They have to in some way bring this in, to bring it to bear upon the script and with the relation to the other actors, without letting the actor feel that he's being controlled. And yet. And because in a sense, that's difficult. But. Well, the first thing you regret is. And how do you work on them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2438.39,2465.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e The first thing you've got to do. And the basically important thing is to get your actor to have complete confidence in you. And you become almost like my wife says, almost like a father confessor. I'll give you an example. If you've got enough tape, plenty of play.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2466.1,2486.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't want to do a whole other side.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2487.1,2488.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Whereas making me a resting place, I was casting the film, which was a feature film.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2489.74,2494.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e In a resting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2495.5,2495.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Place. Yeah. No, no rest of the.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2496.07,2497.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No resting place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2497.69,2498.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And this is a very difficult film to cast. What about the tinkers in Ireland?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2500.42,2506.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Tinkers are different from gypsies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2506.48,2507.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And not the same thing as gypsies, but they are, to a large extent, outcasts and so on. And an actor whom I had seen in several films. Quite a well-known actor in Ireland who played in pantomime and so on. For to nothing serious at all. Came to see me and said he wanted to play a certain part. And I said, well, why do you want to play this part? And he said, well, I feel very strongly with this particular character. I feel I could do it very, very well indeed. And so on and so on and so on and so on. So I didn't listen to a word he said. I then it walked around him as you might take a camera around him to watch what? His face looked at his hands, looked at how he moved his feet and all the other things which are important visually on the screen. And I said, oh, all right, well, now you come back and let's have it talk again tomorrow. How it. Went back and he came back again the next day and he said, well, am I going to get the part? And I said, no, you're not. I said, I'm very, very disappointed because I wanted to play a part in that. And he said, well, now would you please tell me why am I not going to get this part? I said, I'll tell you why. Because I happen to know because I have a good enough psychiatrist. Do you want to play a completely different part in the picture? You hadn't got the nerve to ask me. How the hell did you do that? I said, well, I just did. I said to me, I notice you've got your index finger on your right hand. Isn't this thing cut off here? I said, how did it get cut off? Well, I suppose for somewhere around about 30 minutes. He told me the story of how, as a boy who was apprenticed to a carpenter and he misused the saw, I got his finger cut off, and that convinced me he could play the part I wanted him to play, which is not the one he wanted to play at all. So when we went over to Ireland and got a picture sort of lined up, John used to play the part of a policeman and I said, well, now what you got to do is we'll get you a policeman's uniform and a little one and an old hat. You know, it was a grease stain on the top. And what is very important in the film is you got to have a bicycle. A very old bicycle will go down a back market off O'Connell Street in my bike, on a bicycle. Now, he happened to live about, oh, six miles away from where our base was in a hotel. And I said, well, not every single day you got to ride a bicycle from your home up to the hotel and ride back. No no no no no, no automobiles for you. You got to ride that bicycle. And you got to love that bus. Or as if you ridden it for 30 years. And he's a nice guy. He did this, and I personally think he gave a wonderful performance, but this was over with. My wife will disagree only because I controlled him to do this, and I told him to and he never moved out. A uniform, military uniform day in, day out of the policeman. And he rode that bicycle up and he wrote that bicycle down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2508.25,2727.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e When you had to give him to get something individual out of it. I mean, at a particular moment or no particular direction for you. What you've been talking about here is the general conditioning you gave him. You say it is a conditioning.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2728.22,2740.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It's the right word. I heard I should have used that word myself earlier. It is you go to and you must treat each actor separately. You got to learn about the actor, learn about their background, learn about where they came from, what they've done. And it's like it was like. It was like, as you say, father confessor or as a contrast. This is the only way you can get that kind of performance out of a person.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2741.0,2764.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e When you see this, this is a I'm certain you're right because I've talked to other people, then they too have had this experience. You know, Kazan, for instance, says you have to know your actors beforehand.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2767.22,2783.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You have to learn.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2784.29,2784.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Everything about them, your questions, and then I and then I only say what I feel is necessary to play into their individual characteristics and manipulate those characteristics. I will, I want to I want to ask you now about your particulars in directing a particular scene. Once you've conditioned, what did you find as a general kind of approach? All although you approach each person differently. There are certain kinds of, you know, you learn sort of generally what sort of hand you're going to use.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2784.95,2818.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But I later, if I'm making a, you know, a feature picture. I write my own script and I write in a very great detail in terms of not only obviously dialog, but in terms of whether the left hand column of the script and actions are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2819.74,2839.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You take the you take the written scenario and then you turn it into the shooting. 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Not necessarily. I know it was written that you had that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2847.28,2851.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No resting place. You wrote the scenario as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2853.01,2855.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Adapted from the novel?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2857.63,2858.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2858.77,2859.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Adapted from an. Oh, yes. I mean, that's basically it. Credit the writer for the original idea of the story, but. What? You talk. I've been having made ones decision that this is the actor you think is the right person to play this part. You then spend time with him or her, as the case may be, not in the studios, the wrong atmosphere altogether. Maybe if you're working abroad. I was in Amsterdam, in your hotel room or whatever it is, and you discussed the part in detail and the whole background for the part and where the character may be. You discussed whose mother and father was, and you get the actor, you know, really getting under the whole skin of the part and beginning to live this part and believe in this part. And I will never let an actor do anything else but is working with me. I will never let him work on television or radio or anything else. He's got to give himself completely to the one film and nothing else to do but. I found, I must say, working with actors in nearly every case. Majority of actors are intelligent and wish to work like this. And wish to give themselves not to me, but to the to the picture. And they believe and respect events. And the more accurately you can cast. I'm in luck. How you. When I was making my Dutch resistance film. I found that most of the actors were working for me in this. Had been members of the resistance in Holland themselves during the war. Therefore, they felt this thing tremendously strong emotionally and, you know, and intellectual. So it wasn't very difficult to get a performance out of them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2859.4,2978.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Generally, when you're cast and you're not necessarily looking for a good actor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2979.96,2984.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But for any actor who can identify cool and very good work. Who can identify and who's been who will be prepared to accept my control. But this I must have.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2984.97,2998.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I was interested a moment ago. When you say you discuss the mother and father of the of the person, your character, and discuss his past life and so forth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=2998.91,3006.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3006.66,3006.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Is this in the sense of discussing letting the actor also invent?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3007.56,3011.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, indeed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3013.17,3013.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Is it telling him what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3013.95,3015.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no, it's a co. It's a collaboration. I want the actor himself, having read the script. To invent himself what he thinks about. And we'll discuss it and talk about. Come to an agreement on that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3015.49,3027.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You in no way set yourself up as a kind of tyrant.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3028.53,3030.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. You can't be attached to the possible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3032.01,3034.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, there's some people like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3035.46,3036.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I know this. I don't agree with it. I think you only get it formed out of a person by sympathy and by understanding, and by the closest collaboration with a non-actor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3036.69,3050.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What are the problems when you're using nonprofessional performers?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3050.99,3054.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, very much what I said to earlier. I mean, either if.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3056.12,3058.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You do have an presence, like you say in your Dutch resistance film, you did use some.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3059.09,3062.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Some non-actors. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3063.41,3064.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And you probably had them involved in things a little more complicated than doing something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3064.7,3069.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Then I think as far as you can, you got to tell them, you know what you want.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3070.64,3076.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you ever resort to tricks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3078.02,3078.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e To no kind of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3079.73,3081.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Stimulus, direct.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3082.64,3083.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e As production did and so on in their kangaskhan? No, this I have very seldom. I have occasion, but not often.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3083.87,3091.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You've made a reputation in three areas in writing and in film, fiction, film, and in a documentary film. Which do you find to be the most predominant? Influence. The documentary aspect or the the aspect of being a chronicler of a time, of a hole of our own.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3093.66,3113.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And I wouldn't know why. Not one or the other. I mean, I'm just interested in making pictures, that's all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3113.8,3118.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But your your feature films have a cast that is associated with documentary. In a sense, it's it's not of a chronicler, is it not? And with a social viewpoint to the degree.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3120.04,3132.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. I believe that the artist, not only in film but in all the other media, I mean as an interpreter of life as he sees life around him today and, and as well not as have been going back for many hundreds of years. And I tried very modest way that I try and use my medium of the film to interpret what I think about life and what I think is important about that. What I think is I think still, you know, constructive about that. Yeah. It's difficult to say more than that. I mean, every film is a new challenge. Every film is a new problem. 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The social relationship of mankind and the social happiness of mankind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3184.3,3188.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Stated in what terms? That man belongs to others, or in terms of man's getting along with, with the environment that he develops for himself, which is sort of the theme of the early documentaries.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3189.64,3202.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, I don't want to become complicated in this, but I believe very much in man's relationship to man, and I believe very much in spite of the violence in the world today, which I deeply deplore. I still think that man to man or woman to woman, as the case may be, had a deep human relationship. This is what I try. And yeah, I have tried to bring it out in my films. I think this is, you know, obvious as a great fundamental importance. I am not interested in watching one of them. I don't ask to have what I call the entertainment. The entertainers make very good films. And I be the first to go along to look a movie and see them. But it's not my kind of picture making. I want a picture to size. And I believe at the same time it could be entertainment. But I prefer not to be entertainment first.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3205.03,3262.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You had begun to explain when we sort of got sidetracked earlier. The the. Attitude that made the early documentary films concerned with mechanical things. I was wondering if we could elaborate on that. You were saying that that you had felt that the emphasis should be toward man, more towards a human being, toward a human being. But for instance, shipyard is is very strongly almost a mechanical film in it's. I don't mean mechanics in the sense that it was put together with a mechanical technique, but I mean a sense of a kind of there's a there's a kind of an epic quality about it, that of the building of a ship put together that, you see. And the man remains a rather simple entity in it. I don't mean simplistic, but as a part of all of this, you, I and this seemed to be there was a kind of a glorification of this union and those days of man. And in the work that he did it. Would you agree with that? 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On an end, standing, watching it down with no jobs. This is what I tried to bring out. Quite frankly, I was not in the shipyard. I was not the least bit in the building of the ship. 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And that's why they were able to use their greyhounds and a dog track, and they were able to play football and paint it and the stands and all the rest of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3426.38,3441.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Because that was what.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3441.71,3442.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But to me, I was not interested to belittle the ship at times.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3445.04,3447.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, what about it in context? I remember vaguely with Griffin that a whole retrospective on your work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3449.57,3457.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That track down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3458.21,3458.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e This was in 59 and. This struck me as as a kind of a gothic kind of gratification to bad work. There was this there's this wonderment of, of the airplane at that time and say, this is 32, wasn't it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3459.1,3477.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And that I started to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3478.14,3479.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e This is why I said it seem to be this constant work with the machine in the early documentary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3484.03,3487.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, yes. I suppose it is true to say that we were fascinated by machines as people were painting like fun and leisure and so on before us. But at the same time, I did try to see behind the machine what it meant, its purpose. And I don't think it's quite true to say that contact was just a glorification of the machine. It also tried to show that the machine brought communication between people. It shorten down the fact that you get a letter from India to England or New York, or if it may be in a matter of 2 or 3 days, whereas before by boat it would take much longer time. I admit it was rather immature in its ideas, but it did try to take this international connection to this international communications point of view.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3490.03,3544.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm not I'm not saying a critical attitude. I'm trying to place the context. You say a ocean of the things, because very often we make a mistake or mistake because we haven't been brought up or, you know, that was where I was. I was born in that era. But. We can't judge the context around it. Make this thing and we can we can mis read it. I have a shipyard for me. Reads almost as a as a classic piece of structure. I know it's I think it's a it's a tremendously well built film just from a, not in the sense of the well-made play, but I mean, a thing that has a, has almost a visual plastic structure to it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3545.11,3586.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And just as a matter of technique, isn't it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3587.13,3589.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it's more than technique. It seems to me that there's a there's a basic artistic quality about this thing that makes the thing work from one and the other. I don't feel as much the social message as a strong I feel this there's a kind of a soberness to the whole film which communicates to me. Which, it would seem that would probably changes. The social message may change, but the film remains remains an entity. You know, somehow it almost as a, as a sculpture remains an attempt to think about. What I'm trying to find and trying to find the context in these questions. You made a statement. Well, first you're the this documentary group. Do you see it as one movement or finally after after say 35? Did it was it did it remain cohesive or did it, did it, did it dissipate and separate into several groups after the war?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3590.82,3653.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I would say it it remained cohesive up till the beginning of the war. And then the problems started. You see, there were several units, like the one I had and wanted to others. We did not want to make films about the combat front, but we were very ready to make films about the social effect of the war in my particular country. Films about evacuation. And so on and so forth. And I think this was very important.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3657.1,3695.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Why did you refuse to make films about combat? What was the reason to. Not one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3696.92,3701.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Because I'm very anti-war.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3701.75,3702.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You felt that making Woody's films about to comment to combat would be automatically.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3704.43,3708.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it's not just only that. It wasn't as simple as that, quite frankly. After all, the combat films were being made by the Army service units over there. What Air Force units or the naval film units, or indeed, of course, the Crown for a minute. And I felt my unit, which often was a private company, could best to its duty in the war effort, which happened as I believed. By making films about the social impact of the war. The effect of the Blitz on the East End, for example, and the effect of I just mentioned evacuation. Films on meds. I produced a film which I think had a very considerable impact in this country, and I believe in America also. Plastic surgery. And another one on the tremendous need for immunization for various diseases around the area and so on and so forth. And I felt my own point of it was more important to make that kind of film and making it a target for tonight. Not that in any way I would denigrate such a film that very fine, very well made, but I felt my particular job and my unit's job to make films about the social.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3709.76,3790.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You would retain your your private. Through the.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3791.73,3795.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e War that was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3795.47,3796.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, just a second.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363#t=3796.58,3798.38"}]},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262363/transcript/76724/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/076/724/original/trint_Coll458_jb0050_Rotha_Donella_01_transcript.vtt?1740615614","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/076/724/original/trint_Coll458_jb0050_Rotha_Donella_01_transcript.vtt?1740615614"}]}]},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 2 of 3 - Coll458_jb0050_Rotha_Donella_02_p1.mp3"]},"duration":1835.57225,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/public/images/audio-default.png","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/content/2/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-universityoforegonlibraries.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/262/362/original/Coll458_jb0050_Rotha_Donella_02_p1.mp3?1739226265","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":1835.57225,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["AUTO_TRINT_Coll458_jb0050_Rotha_Donella_02_p1.mp3 [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I told them to say anything to them, I'd like to help, they've got to say to me, you know. And we went over the other night to the local school where they were having my head left on. We had a group of, uh, 40 or 50 of these youngsters. When was this? Last week? Well, last week. Oh, there you go, we'll show you soon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=5.97,24.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Can I have a copy?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=27.44,28.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No, because of the MGM problem, I told him that, so he clamped down on it. MGM must have a print though, but God knows what they do with it. But Lindgren can fix this for you, or BFI can fix it for you. Well, I was told that I had to pay for the screen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=30.46,44.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I was told that I had to pay for the screen room and find the copy myself and all that business. It wasn't Lindgren that told me anything, you know. I'd given them a list of several films that I'd like to see. Anyway, this is very much a, this very much follows from your book and also from, I mean, you went on documentary and from the current problem I met. Documentary maker last night and he was bewailing the fact that no one in England was getting together to discuss the problems of what the hell is documentary you know and the responsibility to documentary and uh and in fact we have had a number of stories as things happen lately one of my colleagues made a film which i don't approve particularly but in america yes uh on John F. Kennedy. In which he used footage to illustrate. It was a compilation film for the most part. And which he use footage to illustrate certain things that he had in mind. And this footage came from elsewhere. It had nothing to do with the subject itself, except that it could be used to demonstrate it. You see, example, at one point he showed, he was talking about the Peace Corps that Kennedy had set up, and he showed shots. Of another group which had nothing to do with the Peace Corps whatsoever but which did the same activities in which we're young people. The press got a hold of it and found out that this wasn't... Uh... This was not. These weren't shots of the Peace Corps, but were in fact of this other group, and started to call the film a fake. What the government, George Stevens, Jr., said that this was merely, that there was nothing fake in it because there was no bad intentions, you say. So he was caught in this problem. Almost the anonymity of footage being used. Do you think that there is a certain responsibility of the filmmaker in documentary to present only footage which is what it represents, what is represented to be? Jay Lader brings this up slightly in his film, of the films we get film that doesn't really deal with it. What I'm aiming at here is the problem of truth in documentary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=41.98,216.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Authenticity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=217.23,217.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Hmm. And propaganda.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=218.66,219.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it depends a very great deal on the circumstances. If you got a war on, as we had World War II. It is probably fair, I use the word probably advisedly, it is probably fair to use material and twist it because you are putting out what is called propaganda. In peacetime, I think this is very dangerous indeed, very dangerous. Uh... You may or may not remember that in one of the Capra films, you know, the Why We Fight series...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=222.74,273.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Especially in the site of Russia.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=274.25,275.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And also in the way, in the, not prelude to war, I think it was the second one he made, I can't remember the title now. It was a shot of Hitler after the signing of the peace treaty with France at Compiègne, in which Hitler does a little skip and a jump. Well, we all know the truth about this story, that is. But God knows I'm not pro-Hitler far, far from it. But we know this was an optical printer trick by which, this was made by the National Film Board in Canada, Hitler is made, you know, to give a little jig. Well now, this could be permissible in wartime, because it is an attempt. To make a figure of thumb out of your enemy, but I object to using this in peace time. And when I made my film on the life of Adolf Hitler, I was offered this, by which time, as a joke, it circulated all around, I think movie tone or somebody offered it to me. I wouldn't use it, because I think it's been completely false to my film. And I got hold of the official Wockenchaer-Newspaper record of this in which all Hitler did was merely to lift a foot like this and put it down again. And I used this. And this in itself for me was quite significant without me using the trick. And I think that if you set about a really serious film As I did in the Hitler film, I think you've got to put your hand on your heart, and so I will not use one shot which cannot be authenticated, cannot be checked, and isn't absolutely accurate to its period, to its time, and so on. I believe this very strongly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=276.9,409.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You feel in a documentary filmmaker, part of the responsibility is to be in a sense true to his material. Truthful. Truthful to the subject. To the subject and to not misrepresent. But do you not feel that no matter what our intentions, we are bound to a point review, which immediately...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=410.18,433.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Sure, we're bound to a point of view, I agree very much, we are bound to point of view, but I think there's a great responsibility on the film-maker to keep to authenticity. I mean, when I was searching for footage and material for the HEPTA film, I think in the time, what, the two years we took to make it, my assistant worked out we screened about two and a half million feet of material in many, many places all over Europe, America as well. The same old shots came up all over again out of a French feature film made about 1937. And we got rather tired of seeing these shots, it was so obvious. What happened was an SS wagon drew up outside the door, the SS boys ran in, there were some gunshots in the soundtrack, some window panes were broken, and a guy jumped out of the window. All right, perfectly justifiable in a feature film. But this could not have been real material. It must have been a fake, obviously. Because those things weren't photographed. And therefore, I wouldn't use it. But many television films on the same sort of period, American and English, have used the same footage and try and put it across as a genuine, you know, say exactly what happened, but it just didn't. Exactly the same, well, so that's the same thing with 1914, 1918, war. Over and over again, you get the same old shots out of a very fine film made by Pabst called West Front, 1918, with film that's made in what I think 1930. But they use it over and over, again, as they would do out of milestones or quite the Western Front.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=434.58,563.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e He said that he kept finding shots from his film.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=564.82,567.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Over and over again. I mean, this I must say, I perhaps, I don't know, perhaps I'm a fundamentalist or something, but I disagree with this intensely, if your film is meant to be an honest recreation of exactly what happened at that period.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=567.27,582.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Since we're moving into a society that depends more and more on communication by the visual image and in which history may soon be written in images, ours being the first century that has recorded, has been recorded visually. What do you think we can do to discriminate between the fictionally created image used in the document and the authentic image? And how far should we go to allowing ourselves to using this fictional image? This is quite a problem for the historian, you know. Historians, I talked to one last night a They say we are trained to discriminate between the specious document and the acceptable one. But a whole new problem has been posed through film.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=584.07,649.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I mean, I can't speak on the receiver end of this. I can only speak on on the creative making end on this. But I think that every filmmaker or director or editor is creating these films, I think should have a tremendous sense of responsibility towards accuracy and authenticity. As I say, when I made the Hitler film, I just said I will not use one single shot in this film, for which I cannot get absolute evidence that this was not genuine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=652.44,689.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e In a case where what you are saying you feel is true, but you do not have the footage, what do you do then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=689.64,696.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What you can possibly do is use still photographs about a commentary. For example, in the Hitler film, quite early in the picture, I talk about I don't talk about it but I try and show what was some of the resistance to the Nazi regime in the 20s and the 30s. There is no material on this. Who would have filmed them anyway? All I can possibly do then is to write on still photographs of the people concerned and put in the narrative track of who they were and what they did. I can't do any more than this. I mean there is just no material. It doesn't exist. Why should it have been regret anywhere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=698.0,741.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you feel it in writing? If you can't get the material, then when you write it, you are nevertheless relying on it. I mean, you're nevertheless the prisoner of your own subjectivity, you see. So I suppose that what you consider is that you are presenting a point of view, a kind of a written historical essay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=744.71,773.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=774.83,774.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e In which you back up the certain photographic evidence. Is it not something that I'm just trying to destroy your attitude?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=775.35,783.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e It's a different problem, isn't it? After all, when Alan Bullock wrote his biography of Hitler, which is probably the best book in English, written about Hitler, and Bill Schreier wrote his book, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, you see, if you're writing two books like that, you can draw on an immense amount of written material evidence. Tucked away in the files at Washington or in Munich or wherever it may be. But if you're a filmmaker, you can only rely on what celluloid you can find. And it stands to reason that the kind of celluloids that you want on a period like this just doesn't exist. I remember the director of the Wundar Keeve in Koblenz said to me, we have lots of films about Hitler. I said, what have you got? And he said, oh, well, we've got him addressing this parade or that parade or Nuremberg and so on. I said I'm not interested. You've got a shot of Hitler sitting on the lavatory? He said, no. I said. I'd be interested in this, because this would be very important. This would be socially important. I mean I'm exaggerating obviously, but I mean there was practically no personal material because people don't want personal material shot about them and this is one of your great problems when you, you know, you take on a picture of that kind. My greatest difficulty in the Hitler film was once I got to 1939 when the war started It could very easily become, or could have become, a history of the war, which is not interesting to me, I was interested in Hitler as a person. And all I could do was to show the so-called self-acclaimed, self-appointed warlord. You know, at various points in the Russian front, the Polish front, and so on, and the French front, so on and so forth. But all he did was to stand there in a, you know, leather overcoat and so, with a pair of binoculars to his eyes and so. But I could get no more material. This was a tremendous problem if you're trying to make a film biography. I suspect the same thing would happen if you tried. It's probably something he has already done, to make a film about Roosevelt. It's very difficult to get the personal, the intimate material.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=782.32,954.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e For instance, as Jay Lader reports, no one ever shot him. In fact, there was an agreement among news cameras that he should be going up and being carried up in the close.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=955.27,964.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Just as I know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=964.76,965.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e This follows from this, and as a matter of fact probably documentary has suffered through that part of it because in the 30s it was obliged to use large equipment, it was unwieldy still, it had to seek staging very often when it didn't want to because of the technical aspects of it. But it always had this kind of drive to get closer and closer to people, to nature, and to man's relationship with the world and the problems that concern man. And in 1952, you were led to make a statement in a speech, I think you made to a documentary conference, that you felt that there would be a new horizon in documentary, that would have grown up and perfected this desire that had grown up through all of documentary, and that would be toward a new kind of humanism, a film that would be more... Toward man, and less toward the machine, would seek out man in his private life more than in more than his working life. Not less social, but would be able to... Do you feel that this other person would know what you were basing your remarks on, and now do you feel that you see this new documentary developing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=969.6,1063.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I think we mustn't get sort of confused here between, you know, the kind or purpose of film and the technique. On the technique side, I mean, I'm all for the fluid camera, as fluid as is possible, and it's much more fluid today than it was in my days, and we had to have a tripod and a... In fact, my first films were made with a hand-turned camera, do you know? And you couldn't even pan. I'm all in favor of that from a technical point of view. The more fluid the camera can be, the better it is. And the more fluid, incidentally, that sound can be and the microphone can be. I'm only in favor this. At the same time, I will say, I don't like myself very much a sort of cult, just going around the place. If you get a shot out of focus at the present moment, it's a good shot. I still think professionalism should be in focus, you know, out into the terribly baby on the lawn on Kodachrome, whatever it is. But, on the second point... I think Ricky Leacock, you know, is doing a hell of a good job in this particular group he's got there. They don't all come off, of course, but nothing can always come off. But I spent, oh, about three years ago in New York, I spent a whole night at their shop, their workshop, and seeing their pictures, and we went down to a bar, which is open all night, and we talked and we'd talked and had talked, and I think they've got some very good ideas. And I think that they're using the, you know, the mobile camera. Very intelligently, but this is again pure technique. I'm interested in that naturally as a person who tries to make pictures, but I'm even more deeply interested, and I hate to repeat myself, in what the pictures say. And this I do think is, you know, the most important thing of all. I don't wish to be a political on a program like this, on a talk like this. But as long as the pictures say something which is socially progressive, socially important, socially creative towards mankind, then I'm all in favor, whether it's shot on a static camera or shot on, um, a mobile camera.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=1067.59,1239.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But here we have this thing that, in a way, people were... And have been dreaming of, that we now are able to go out and sort of live with people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=1240.77,1250.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Uh-huh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=1251.58,1251.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e To sort of collect the everyday phenomenon of their lives. And we've suddenly changed documentary from a thing which one constructs out of fixed images that had to be created or provoked or something of that nature to something which is apprehended. Do you see in that a great possibility of furthering this dream that you had of getting closer to man?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=1252.19,1290.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes indeed I can.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=1291.42,1292.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Provided the approaches. Like Ricky Leacock in Happy Mother's Day, for instance, is saying he says that I'm not just here to see these people and see what's going on but I'm trying to find out what's happening behind it. What is the social thing? We're almost through. He's looking for a dilemma. He felt that the people, this mother that had her quintuplets, and that these quintuplets. Were used as a sense of commercial exploitation. Yes, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=1293.08,1329.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Leaky cock.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=1330.44,1331.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yes, yes. And many people feel that this is, as a matter of fact, in America most of the documentarists of the older school feel that this is somehow wrong. That it's not right to go out and call it out. What's wrong with that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=1331.35,1355.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What's wrong with that? What's their viewpoint? Why is it wrong?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=1357.24,1360.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e They feel they can do better if they stage it. Now this is what Stoney, for instance, told me. He felt that this attitude of watching, you know, rather than going in and...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=1361.28,1374.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm sorry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=1376.04,1376.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Uh... Was uh... In a way, a non-creative approach, you see, we have this problem. In a sense, they feel that the documentary with the older women, people like Van Dyke or something of the same, you see, wants to stay back with the thirties, you know. Whereas we have the other group who are exploiting the mobile camera, who want to push forward and who want observe and try to observe in an alert fashion. And so we've got ourselves into a mind of what is documentary again? Where the hell are we going?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=1378.679,1430.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e All I can tell you right away, and I'm going to break in on your conversation, is this. It doesn't matter what the hell, how the thing is shot. Whether it's shot on an old-fashioned camera, or whether it's shot on the new mobile camera, whatever it is. It is, what I've stressed to you for the last about three-quarters of an hour, it is the purpose behind the film that matters. And, from a technical point of view, it is a cutting bench, which shapes us into form and into meaning. Into purpose. That's why Leacock, I think, is absolutely right in what he's doing. The secret of Leacocks' films is not the fact that he's got a 16mm camera and sound and he can track in and out of people and so on. This is not a secret at all, that's a mechanical thing. The secret is the cutting bench and this is where all filmmaking begins. I mean his picture, oh dear, what was it called, The Kennedys Primary, which I think is a wonderful film, very good indeed. But the secret of that film was the cutting bench, not the shooting at all. And there's too much being in love with moving a camera around the place anywhere. I've always wanted to do this all my life and I probably so do it. But the secret is still how you cut the material and what you say in the material.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=1432.28,1524.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you find that cutting has changed? Good, a good cutting. There's always been sloppy cutting, there's always been just expedient, narrative cutting. What's narrative cutting? It's a new one on me. Well, just to tell the story, you know. I'm borrowing the term from Carl Reitz. Just to go move, to relate the story. Contrary to that. Yes, continuity. But when you speak of cutting, you speak from a dialectical and from an ideological point of view. I mean, getting across an idea. Is that it? What do you mean when you speak of cutting? When you speak... Well look, there are three...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=1527.3,1579.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Movements. In the medium of the motion picture. The first movement is what you are photographing, whether it's an athlete running or an actress or whatever it is. In other words, this is what the picture is taking. Your second movement is the fact that you are moving in the opposite direction from that you are recreating out of actual time something which is fictitious time, which is movie time. And your third movement is created by your cut from one shot to another shot, to another, to another and so on. And these are your three basic rhythms of making moves. And this you can never destroy. I mean, you can ignore it, as so many films do, which I call photo place, but I mean this stems way back to Griffiths, of course, obviously, and Intolerance, the Birth of the Nation, and so on and so forth. But I mean these are the three basic principles of the medium, in the same way you have basic principles in the medium of painting, or of sculpture, or writing, whatever it may be. This is the syntaxes. Perhaps the right word, I don't know, of the technique of the medium. One can't just destroy","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=1580.14,1673.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Leacock spoke to me of the fact that sometimes when you cut, you destroy the authenticity of the shot. Just by cutting it in a way that becomes, it becomes almost fictional, you know, whereas when he spoke for instance of the scene in the Happy Mother's Day where a mayor gives his little speech to the mothers and people of the village, you now, he says I had to leave that in one shot, he said. It wasn't a rhythmic thing, it wasn't anything else, other than the fact that I knew that if I cut into it, it wouldn't believe it. They would think that I had made it up, that I'd tampered. So that we find that in this new technique of Leacock's, Mayholtz and some of the other people are using the fluid, Cameron's file, almost another cutting rule has arisen, and that is the cutting rule of authenticity in a sense, that if you leave a thing a certain length, it's sort of, the audience is obliged to realize that the thing is actually happening in this way. Uh...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362#t=1675.53,1745.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262362/transcript/79595/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e It's a question of, I think, very much personal instinctive judgment. I've been criticized a certain amount, you've not seen the Hitler film, but towards the beginning of the film I build up a terrific hysteria of literally thousands and thousands of people collecting around this character. And I cut this material from all kinds of sources, all authentic, but not necessarily on that particular occasion. There's one key shot in this, which I deliberately put in. I didn't fake it, it's a genuine shot. In the crowd, a woman loses her shoe, because she's pressing forward to say, you know... Am I justified in using that shot or not? 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Hello there, funeral. Hello to you. Samus Thomas... End of 721, take 1. Would you like... Before this take, the director, Philip Donnelly, said I didn't think that that was very good. So they did this one. During this one, of course, he already had adjusted the guy to have a piece of cloth underneath his feet so when he tapped his feet it wouldn't be too strong. He just said he would like to see somebody dancing a rear. We're making famous of Mr. Martin. Can you give us a slew? Can you, can you, could you play a slewe, do you have a sort of lament, or a, or the... We certainly could. This would be absolutely wonderful. We'll get a steely deli. Fill in your mouth. Yes. The whole, the whole problem, such as the Piper said, was to, to make people do things, I mean, to, to make them want to play the music, because when you don't want to play it and you're playing it, it's different than when you want to So, the whole effort of the director here was to make them want to play it. And to do that, he had through the interview to challenge them and to make them want prove themselves.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=6.12,154.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=178.29,178.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e He's just warming up. They're just warming him. The director is now looking for a mirror to reflect some light onto them. See if he can get a better take. What is that slow one you played in the canteen, Chalmers? Shnear the Monarch. Would Martin know that? He would say. It's a beautiful melody. Where is your page? To win the page. You would have to go down the full tone to play it. My page? Can you play the page by your own? Can I have the bottom? Sure. My pages are not in very good condition at the moment. I can. I can play you a slow tune on the bass, but I can't put on the full blast and give you the overtone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=179.97,234.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Probably the full glasses would be quite overpowering if they were acoustic, wouldn't it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=234.29,238.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I think they want to depress you to show you all the talent in the wrong setting. No, but I could play one of these small things, crying as ever you heard, but the thing is that you know the portals of a compliment on the pipes, they're roughish. Yeah. At this point they've just fucked around and they've been fucking over and over and Don't let's worry too much about that. Let us try a slow air on sleaze-mon, on fiddler-pipe. Give it on whistle, Chairman, so that we can try it over.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=240.94,285.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Beautiful land. It's okay, come on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=288.18,292.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e What are you going to fight today on that field? We'll do that later, don't worry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=297.45,301.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I'll show you when I put the tapes on, I'll show you a way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=311.89,313.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm gonna call her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=389.92,390.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e End of 72, take 1.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=392.51,393.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm sorry, you'll have to go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=395.06,395.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Alright, that'll do it for you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=395.97,396.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it's got that one. Because the noise is going to come through. Why is this making such a terrible noise? I think it's making the noise the same all the time. This is a normal noise level. Is it? No, I'm sorry, I've never noticed it before. Well, I always have, you know. I've had a word from it. I'm Sorry, but I... The perfect tone recorder was making a terrible grinding noise.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=397.66,420.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 7:\u003c/strong\u003e We're sending him out in the hall.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=422.45,423.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e The recordist is going out into the hall, taking the machine out in the hall and see what he can do. Drinking out the cord. And I'll pillow thy head, where the light fair is tread, If thou wilt but wed with young Ned down the hill. I don't want to put a gate to my mind there for a moment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=428.669,476.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I'll see you in the morning, and we'll see each other in the evening. Is this the place, though, that I went to? Shut up!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=482.0,489.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Shut up and put it to paper now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=488.97,490.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e I will not...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=490.44,490.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I'll oblige you with the pipes when I feel like it, sir.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=491.36,493.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=494.37,494.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You're supposed to select a slow tune that you can play with me. Do you know slew of them all?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=501.08,508.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I don't think so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=509.239,509.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Mahalam Jai Hind","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=512.29,513.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e L-A-U-D","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=517.03,517.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't think it's Steve, it's Steven, no, it isn't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=523.309,526.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you play the Dark War of the Glen then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=526.45,529.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 7:\u003c/strong\u003e End of 73, take 1.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=535.37,536.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Thanks for watching! Thanks for watching! You","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=574.65,663.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, can we find a slow air or lament that you both know? This seems to me rather important. What I want is something that you would probably play when you were feeling nostalgic or unhappy or something. To do that. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=669.92,698.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Really, really.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=705.57,706.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e In the near future I'll take you in and I'll be back to you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=739.97,743.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Give us the whistle talk, ladies and gentlemen, see if this makes it jell. Give us a whistle talk. Would you try the ammo like that? Maybe the...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=749.26,761.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e We'll be back in a minute.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=761.99,762.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, can you see it? Yeah, I don't know if it's on your own. The thing is so relaxed that one of the friends felt even he could cross in front of the field of the camera and go and get some zig-a-rag. Play it, let me tell you. I'll tell you whether you do or not, very soon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=763.29,795.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, to give it a...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=800.9,801.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e See you next time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=803.66,804.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No. It's more than several cues, there's no use.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=821.24,823.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you very much and have a nice day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=824.97,825.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Next wedding is to your sister.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=829.7,831.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Thanks for watching!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=832.76,834.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e That's it. That's Herbert Hughes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=837.98,840.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=841.23,841.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e and Bartholomew Cullum, and that's a copy of it. We're really into stuff that we've heard on records and on waivers. What we'd like to do is give of something that we have which was never heard on record or on waves. To not belong there after their wedding.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=841.52,866.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e We'll do my best to help you with that. I'm not trying to get that either.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=866.09,869.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I have no leg in law, believe it. That's why you'd better take it any wrong. Listen, couldn't you do, er, do you know the Siobhan thing? Duh-duh-du-dee-dun-duhhhh-duhhh-duhh-duuh-duh-deee-duuuh-di-dii-duuuuh-daa-duuuuuuuuh Now, long have you cru-sly lo-vely Ah-dum-dee-dun-doo-dung-day-dow-de- Yo, Marky, go up and hold the h- Then I'll wait for Monty to solo. Utterly different. Now, Shem, would you feel up to playing Sleeve Monk? I know, I suppose it's terribly difficult. You have to excuse the fact that I know no music. If he plays, you couldn't come in on this. Very duet, yes. Let's just try it. Play that lovely thing. That's a cross on this car, you know what to do. Get it off me, kid. And then just 19 pictures up and over to him. Martin, would you three and pick it up? Can't see no way into it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=869.84,1099.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I will. I'll try, but you'll see, I must go. You've got to take care of your arse, that's all. Just know you're a real man.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=1099.69,1106.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e It's in G, Martin, and you know the tune, don't you? Well, in the back of your head, you know, surely. Aragum freshum, na feign shevil, Em ihen ering, na moun hum rast, Deh g'droops va derlach. Zidda t'ah l'an chela, Dem'n gam'ing, Er li'an ma'am. Now where's your head?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=1108.929,1196.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Have a nice day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=1198.32,1198.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I hear not a word from the blackwood of the forest. And grass doesn't grow beneath the trees of the children. The young lady has no interest in sport or pleasure, but crying and wailing and beating her hands. Saying without staying that the fine men will never get a night in Ireland or a chance to rest with this troupe of invaders and they're all coming together making game of us on the sunny side of Sleam the Man. That's a fair translation of that verse. I think it's a beautiful verse myself. You need it, will you? Martin, you have the melody in your head then. Give us a nice couple of tips of double-stopping there. Heh heh heh heh. Crafty and clever and... Don't throw it in loose, though. Eh, sorry, no. No, don't. Don't do it in the loose, just... Throw it in crafty, cooling and taste, you know. Can I have a beer? Okay, so you better keep him on your own, right? Yes, but I want you to come in and sit back, I won't stop.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=1202.43,1301.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e But, I don't know what's the point of listening to him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=1304.34,1305.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e It's in the pocket as you... In the pocket... Somebody might send a nurse. And I hate to have my team who is to be lifted because I'd like to give it law. Oh no. Oh no, I'm sorry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=1306.69,1319.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Laughter","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=1323.06,1323.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e That's a genius. Will you try more?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=1330.77,1333.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e You step on your own and I might change your order.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=1336.12,1340.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I'll eat faith. You chase me up. I break over first. You break over.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=1341.19,1345.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e It takes a lot of time to get through all of my numbers. Good night.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=1357.05,1362.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Think about this. At what point, you see, do you come in? You see, I do the first phrase. The first phrase is repeated. It's identical. Then I go high. And the third phrase is identical to the first phase. M74, take one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=1363.06,1383.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e If we can","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=1391.77,1392.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You know what? In the very first plays I played, I played that phrase three times during the tune. 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Who is that? And how is the focus on the two? Well, the two would not necessarily be completely in focus. If you let the foreground go or the background go, one of the other would be set. You know, it would do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=1711.66,1725.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Having done that, could we try it again? Could we take your entry again and get this just a shade? I don't want it smooth, but what I mean is that I want to feel a little more confidence in when your entry is actually going to come out. Could you try that again? Shames, could you give him sort of twenty bars of entry or something? Do you make the same duration though? 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He thinks the other way. He wants to do it. He's looking for a way where we get them both together. Although he had the fluke for the most part in the last take. This time he wants to bring them both together. It's going to be a completely different one. Already, without their knowing it, they are preparing to do the new thing. They're going to rehearse to do the thing together, which is what he's been after all evening. 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Blue. That's a blue thing. You're gonna love that. I know!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=1870.52,1880.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e We've got to get some... Some views. We've gotta have a, um... 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When he's launched, I'll... I've been worried for the last ten minutes to find a slow one for you, as you requested. Well, I never did. We can't find one, you see. Yeah, well, that's all right. I recognize the fact that you can't sign it and I'm... We'll do these three leaves then. Yeah, it's fine. What I would like to do is for Martin to start, and you then pick up the feeling of it fishing if I could get out your food and start playing. No. Can we do that? We certainly can. Right. No, I mean, I've accepted that the rational brain's in vain, and that's...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=1924.37,1963.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Very harsh. Wait for it. 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You Thank you. You","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2011.189,2060.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 7:\u003c/strong\u003e End of 75, take one. Thank you. Captain Kelly, I'm the woman of the house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2144.91,2150.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I think now is the moment to have a breather, to have a breater.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2159.029,2166.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2169.7,2169.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm gonna have some, I'm going to have some breaks, he said. 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No bag was there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2202.36,2204.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Just in fact, I didn't run for those two weeks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2205.75,2209.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2210.79,2211.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e That's it. 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I'm just checking. They're not. In fact, they put it on the face to show you what bad repair they are. It's a problem that I wouldn't know. Well, it's a problem that I wouldn't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2317.1,2327.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e What you mean is, you'll just prove to us that you can put them on and play them. That's right. That's a shame.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2327.48,2335.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I knew that I could give you the full scope that I'd love to give you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2336.29,2339.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I would like to see them and hear them played. That's the answer. 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And the reeds were absolutely gone, tinted dry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2350.48,2377.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2378.41,2379.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e I've been thinking most of the days since you came back from the States.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2386.04,2389.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You're so much more safe, aren't you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2391.209,2392.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I'm fine with it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2393.27,2394.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I had a gay time out there, five months, but from coast to coast, New York to Los Angeles, Beverly Hills, Hollywood, San Diego. I did Frisco and Chicago and Boston and...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2395.56,2411.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, did you find other people out there? Thank you. Did you find people that appreciate pipe music?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2412.73,2420.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But they were mostly university people. See, that's the level I was on, giving recitals and lectures at universities. You know they have these folk clubs in the universities. Very nice people. Who wants tea?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2424.5,2444.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 7:\u003c/strong\u003e The pipes are bitter outside, aren't they? No, no. Not my pipe. No, they're not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2464.95,2473.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e These are an instrument which need a microphone if you're playing for a crowd, but if you are playing in a nice, homely house with a big kitchen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2476.1,2487.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 7:\u003c/strong\u003e That's fine on your own, man.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2487.61,2489.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e A fine on the road Yes, please","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2489.31,2492.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm going to leave it at that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2495.35,2496.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No, the inland pipes that I have, they're essentially an indoor instrument.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2501.38,2504.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 7:\u003c/strong\u003e What sort of person are you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2506.32,2507.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Ellen, Ellen pipes. Ellen, it's gaming for elbow, because they're blown. Yeah, yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2508.64,2518.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 7:\u003c/strong\u003e They're used with the elbow to, uh, to pull.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2523.1,2525.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Blown by bellows with the elbow. The bellow's inflate the bag and they're essentially a dry reed instrument, soft in tone, and they are an indoor instrument. For us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2526.03,2545.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e That's it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2546.55,2546.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e The Scottish pipes, the Highland pipes. A wet reed instrument. For outdoor volume, outdoor playing, volume which was sound over the hills of Scotsland. There were the pipes of battle and so on. Even the sound man has questions. Can you pull over a bit? Can you just pull over just a wee bit more? That's it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2546.89,2581.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Sheriff, this is what I want to know now. I've long been waiting to ask somebody this question about the Unabomber fight.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2582.78,2590.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I don't believe a word of it. Sounds like a feed to me. Come on. Come on, what is it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2592.04,2597.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Who was the first man to wear the yulem-pair?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2602.799,2604.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it is Er, Call it Big Art played them before he got choked with the salmon bone. I think it was intentional.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2613.23,2627.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e You look sharp as hell, boy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2629.97,2631.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Because he used to play the In-N-Out 530 tune.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2633.07,2634.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e He was one of the Hay Kings of Ireland. That's not a joke to me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2638.94,2641.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Do. Is that a joke or is it a thought trial? Martin, you ask a foolish question and we'll get a foolish answer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2645.009,2651.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't want to admit it once again. I ask a question, I ask you, who was the first man in the 20th That is not a foolish question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2651.21,2659.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Martin, how on earth do you think anybody today could answer that question?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2661.91,2667.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that's not Chairman Senes good answers, because Chairman Senas is in order different of piping and down the ears, and who could I ask other than Chairman Sena?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2669.13,2679.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I know all about the old pipers of days gone by, blind pipers. There was Martin Reilly, Stephen Rowan, the whole lot of them. They were blind people and they were princess to piping and they played pipes for the living. They where taken by the noble people to different festivities and dances and everything else. Where it started, I do not know. You can say that there was a fiber named catalyn. You could say then that there was another piper before him and his name was Crachwell. And you could say that there was another private down North Donegal and he was McSweeney. That is all modern history, but who was the first man to play them is a difficult question. We'll never get the answer to that. Who was the f- probably come and pick up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2680.88,2754.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e That's why I asked you, I mean, you put me for that now, Seamus, but you're wrong, you're the man that I thought would know. You're the one I know. There are a good reason for my asking you, because I look up to you as one of the greatest masters of our time, Seamus Ennis. Yes, yes. Always very well thanking you. You don't have to, I don't want to obliterate you with pipers. When I say you'll dress in pipers, what am I meanin'? That's why I asked you that while I was in time to ask you. No, you have to, if I was like me, somebody asked me about Philippine, about Michael Coleman. So then I'm attacking to ask you, who won the first benefit, you or the pipe?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2760.36,2812.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Am I right in telling that to you? You're certainly entitled to ask me. But Martin, if you look up the history of Irish piping and Ilan piping, you would not find an answer to your question in all that history.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2814.66,2831.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, if you can give me the answer then no hyper can give the answer, can they?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2832.79,2836.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e It is quite true.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2837.46,2838.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Nobody knows who fast-fed Unimkite.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2840.01,2841.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And I tell you that early pipes started from an ordinary bellows bag and a chanter with a dry reed instrument which afforded you two octaves instead of the wet blown reed which told you only one option. And out of that, the in-pipes were developed. Then they developed pipes which harmonized with the tune you were playing, and they developed drones which gave a solid background. It wouldn't matter if we're diminished sevenths you were playing, or an increased...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2845.09,2889.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e If I don't have a camera...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2892.61,2893.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e If I recall, I think you do know where the urine pipes were discovered. You told me sorry once about the urine pipe. You have the highland pipes to display the... Yes. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2893.98,2909.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e The hair off. You told me that didn't you? You recall? You tell me if I...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2911.4,2920.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e By the way, the pipes were torn down from the island pipes. Now, this is a question I want to ask you, my share of this. Why were your pipes? Thrown out from the highland pipes, the ones that throw out the short ones, the pipes. The pipes are all like from there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2923.25,2943.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I like them myself. There's a joke said, you see, that the Irish... Developed the alien pipes themselves. You see, the Irish people are fond of ornamentation and fitting in bits and pieces. They developed this ill-in-pipes themselves. They sent the other one over to Scotland, and the Scots haven't seen the joke yet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2946.27,2976.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Also, these hyzer pipes are originally Irish, aren't they?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2978.74,2983.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Of course they are. Where did the Scots come from anyway?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2984.83,2987.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2988.61,2988.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I came through Ireland. Where did they get their tubes? They got them on their way through Ireland. What I want to do is to get Barney and your sister, whose name I forgot. Sheela. Barney and Sheela in here because I'd like to, I'd to talk a little bit. Ken, sorry, could you possibly put that chair over there, um, a little bit to your, don't disturb everything, Vincent, I want you, I would like you to stay there. If Shems could move a wee bit back against here, we can get everybody in, because what I would, what I'd very much like to talk about is everybody's business, and um, you know, it's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=2990.28,3034.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e something that I don't know and therefore, in fact, Barney.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3034.97,3040.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Um, yeah, look, no. Are you all right, though? I fall off the wheel here. Do that. And with her. And I move. And my place... Everyone into the picture now. Bill, don't mind if I do that for you. Okay, turn over. What I really want is for you people who are Irish to tell me and to tell us, who are not, about your feelings and thoughts and so on. Vincent, how long have you been over here, for instance, 16 years? When was that? 48 48 what what brought you over here? Why did you come over? Tell me about the sort of if you don't mind my asking you this","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3041.28,3100.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I don't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3100.91,3101.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Tell me what brought you over here and why you came over here, and what's happened to you since?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3102.79,3106.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e I'll tell you what made me come over here from the start was it was hard to get out of Ireland at the time if you were working on a farm. So, at the time, I took a job in Galway so that I could get through the labor exchange. You had to come through the labor exchange the time I came here. Had to have a passport and all that. But you would not be allowed over here if you're a farmer's son at that time. But before you came over here, You have to have somebody on this side. That said they had a job waiting for you and was claiming it sort of over here. But lucky enough, though the contractor lived on the side of me at home on holiday, and Ethan made the necessary letter to clear me from the labor exchange, as long as I was in the labor exchanges seat, but walking far from the farm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3106.75,3156.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What did you work out when you first came over here? Termite Enrollments in Manchester. Doing exactly what though? What were you mentally up to doing? Well, I was in the borough. It didn't come easy. What was it like? Was it a hell of a job?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3158.529,3173.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e To be fair, the going was a bit tougher than what I was used to. For a start-up on tarmac, because we were the subcontractors. But we were all going. For after a week or two, you fell into the way it is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3176.6,3187.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What, I don't want to do the talking on this, I mean what I'm interested in is what you have to say, not what I have to, but what was it that kept you here when you found this? What, did you have some objectives or ambitions or, I mean it was money of course that made one come over here for a job, but what kept you going after you found that it was a much more unpleasant job really than you thought?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3191.98,3219.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think when you leave home, that if you go back straight away, you cast yourself as a failure. And Irish people don't like to be failures. When they come here, they prove themselves as men, right the way through. And then if they ever think of going home, they don't think of going home until they have enough money to settle down with their own.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3220.17,3240.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Is it true that, this is something someone said to me the other day, and it'd be interesting to what everyone's view on this is, is it true, that people who haven't gone away from home tend to regard themselves rather as failures in Ireland?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3241.11,3255.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I wouldn't think that. But some people naturally love Ireland and will never leave it at any time. I have a brother who came over here for about six months. He would not live here on any separate senses. He preferred to live at home in Ireland. I think you'll find a lot of Irish people that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3257.11,3277.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you agree with that? I do, yes. Let's go to the left.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3282.65,3288.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e What are you going to expand on that then, Kim? Well, I wouldn't say that the Irish people that are made at home can't sense famous. They're made at all because they're not really at home. They've never got to go away. They don't wish to go way at all. Not because they don't ever think they're for themselves famous. Well, then what are you all... I think they think that when they're about to wear the famous they wouldn't stay at home!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3293.25,3319.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What are your feelings about being over here all the time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3321.49,3323.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e So I'm quite happy over here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3324.44,3325.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Were you, were you apprehensive when you first came over, did you think it would be so?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3334.609,3338.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I love you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3339.51,3339.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And you first came over here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3340.03,3341.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 8:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, from my experience, I came to join Queen Alexandra's Rally in Richmond Hall.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3344.12,3349.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Should this be that code? I was with English people all the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3351.93,3358.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e How did you, what, do you remember the first case we came up with? Oh, yes, that was the first one. Tell me about it. We got 10 years ago. Yes, but tell me about, what happened? What was it like, what did you see? What was the input to you? I mean, when you first...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3361.87,3374.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 8:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it was easy for me because I was messin' around and takin' care of the stone. 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What about you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3398.189,3400.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, who do you mean now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3403.93,3404.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e When you first came over here, how long have you been over here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3405.96,3407.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e To you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3409.03,3409.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Well now what brought you over here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3409.59,3411.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I can go over here to where I'm living. Actually, there was plenty of work at home, but the money wasn't there. That's the money. That's a goal in other words. A home, well, it was big family. Someone has got to go away. But that's necessary, like, there's quite good jobs in Ireland, but... I don't know. There's plenty of jobs but there's no money. The money isn't there. Well, you've only got one more to pay on. How many of your family are over here? I know there's three. Three of them? Three are on me, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3412.7,3459.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What happened to you when you first got out of there? You were met presumably, were you? No, I had to make my own way. Well, tell me about it. What's in it? Can you move over just a bit? That's it. No, don't just come in. Just move over.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3462.13,3476.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e To the left, buddy. A bit more. Okay, I'm in there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3476.97,3483.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Can you tell me what it was like, you know? Was it a surprise? Was it exactly as you expected?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3484.93,3494.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I felt very homesick when I landed in Houston. There's no anybody. There's nowhere to go. I just made my own way. I had no date. No. But I had no idea where I got these. So I heard of a place called Kilburn. So I headed for Kilburn on the way. There was another lad around there, and we inquired where we might find these. So he put us onto three places, and he said, well, you can't go wrong if you try one or other of those. So we did so. We were lucky on the first one. Good for them, man. So, wait a minute.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3495.89,3542.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 7:\u003c/strong\u003e And don't. End of 76, take one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3544.96,3549.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e OK, um, does that reload? It's, um.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3553.56,3558.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Help me!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3561.49,3562.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I know it's difficult talking with an audience who already know this, as it were, and we need to go around. It's so difficult. Can you hold your phone? Can you put this next to the hairpin now? But where are the mountains? Where do you start looking for a start? That is the one that fascinates me, this young fellow coming over. Where does he start looking for a staff? Yes, exactly. Well, he'd heard of Kilmer. Yeah, but he finds digs there. Yeah. Let's go, let's go. The only, the difficulty is when people do tend slightly to sort of laugh in the background, it's a bit awkward, you know, when you're telling the story, so if you would... Sorry if I interrupted you. No, no, no. That's fine, that's fine. I think it's also important, you see, that... When you see things on the box, on the television screen, or on radio... It's terribly easy for people who are making programs to get away with generalization, to say, I came to England and I did such and such and I worked here. This has no immediate effect, but if one can feel the particular situation, say, the other day I was talking to a boy, to a man, a grown man, he's now 48, 50, who came over here as a boy of 14 and a half, Thank you. To many English people, the idea of going abroad at the age of 14 and a half is unthinkable. And if you can get home the feeling to an English audience of what it is like to land in a foreign country at the ages of 14-and-a-half, on your own, and the sort of qualities that are needed from you, the sort resistance, the sort impact that this has on you as a boy who has never been away from a very tight family circle. He's probably lived a very, very simple life. And at the age of 14 and a half, he's suddenly thrown into this. Now, therefore, it's interesting to me and valuable to me in doing a program to hear Barney talking, saying that he came to Euston and he felt homesick and he heard of a place called Kilburn and he went to Kilburn. These are the details that touch people. You can't touch people by saying, I came to England and I got a job. This means nothing. You touch people by saying, by saying... I came to Euston, and I thought I saw a black man, and it was the first black man I'd ever seen. And I thought, my God, there are black men in England. Or something, you know, something that hits you. And in this way, you're talking to people directly. If you're not talking to them, if you... Therefore, therefore, I'm terribly interested in the details. I'm terribly interested in the details.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3562.98,3741.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e That's my part. I'm very interested in...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3742.74,3744.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm currently interested in the details of what people... You know, because it's not really the White Cliffs of England coming up over the horizon. It's that terrible cafe on the Liverpool water side that you went in trying to get a meal and all you have is a filthy plate of fatty bacon and eggs thrown at you, or whatever, you know. But the train was cold or that it was hot or that the porters were helpful or not helpful. And it's this sort of thing that I think... That communicates the situation of a young man coming to a new country. Therefore, it's valuable to find this. It's also valuable to finding out the reactions of work. Do you get blisters when you do two days on the shovel that you've never done before? Do you have the most bloody awful blisters? Or do you get... You haven't had me before, have you? Well, of course it is. But you've got to say this, it isn't obvious. It isn't obvious. You remember, half the people that are watching this bloody box are bank clerks or whatever and they've never, just like me, I've never pushed a shovel except in my own interest in the garden, you know. No, therefore it isn' t obvious. There's a wonky person, such as Bal, he made a five-step in there, right, he told the truth, but he doesn't want to tell the truth. Barry just told, I'm repeating myself now, he told it was right down the line.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3743.76,3836.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that's interesting, you know, how many June students have come over? They come over for, when they're going on holidays, they get holidays from when? June? Until? Yes, September. Well, they come over here and they, they gather up to a couple hundred pounds. They don't mind about the workers. They don' mind just to get the business. They can just do what they want with their money. But no way. So the rules are back to the rules. They don't really, right? But they don't' mind with how much money they get there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3836.66,3864.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, let's go on. Let's go. Are you ready, Bill? Okay? Well, turn over then. Let's go back to this moment. Barney, let's go back and when you left home, can you remember when you left home? Before you got to England, in fact, what was it like? And then at 12.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3866.92,3896.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e More of this describing this being how I...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3899.4,3901.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. And what happened to you? You know, what? The whole thing, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364#t=3901.71,3905.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141799/file/262364/transcript/79612/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e I felt on top of the world lake, when I got on the train. Sorry, what did you say? When I felt top of world lake I felt, well, at that time it was, well I just had it in my head to go and do or die. I can't go away. I was out in the world on my own and I had to make the most of it. As nice as their present would be. I thought that nothing would only come to me and just pick up the job straight away. Like, I'd spent two or three days walking around before I did get a job, and I didn't get a day job on my own. And that there was 10 next in digs next to all. He heard about... Well, he said that he probably would be able to get us to start with Moffat. But Murphy is known to four corners of the earth. So we went to Camden Town, got out of the back of one of the old trucks from Quicksilver and hit for Camden town. So we... One top, any left, one of them. 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