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Her father was a business manager and her mother stayed at home. She received a B.S. in Home Economics: Child Development and Family Life, from Oregon State University in 1978, and a Master's Degree in Special Education from the University of Oregon in 1979. When she was in graduate school at the University of Oregon, she came out to her family. Initially her family disowned her, but later her mom became a great advocate for gay rights. She was active in the Eugene Metropolitan Community Church, the first Christian church for gays and lesbians, for most of the 1980s. In the early 1990s, Lynne was one of the first Americans to adopt a baby girl from China. Lynne discusses working in the Eugene school district, teaching students with disabilities, and being out to colleagues. Lynne talks about the fear she experienced during the campaign for Ballot Measure 9. Lynne talks about her 25-year relationship with her partner, parenting issues, and spirituality. Lynne retired eight years ago, and now volunteers and travels for Days for Girls, a global organization that provides sustainable menstrual hygiene kits for girls in developing World Countries. She also volunteers with the No One Dies Alone program at the hospital.\n\nKey terms: Adoption  --  China; Book and Tea Bookstore; Coming out (sexual orientation); Disowned by family; Eugene School District 4J; Homophobia in schools; Lesbian mothers  --  United States; Lesbian teachers -- United States; Metropolitan Community Church; Parenting; Plan Loving Adoptions Now (PLAN) (Adoption agency); Students with disabilities -- Services for; Weinstein, Dana."]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Lucas Lynne (Interviewee)","Judith L. Raiskin (Interviewer)","Linda Long (Interviewer)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["In Copyright"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["https://scua.uoregon.edu/repositories/2/archival_objects/607017"]}},{"label":{"en":["Type"]},"value":{"en":["Moving Image"]}}],"summary":{"en":["The Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project Collection consists of interviews of 83 people for the Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project, conducted by Professor Judith Raiskin and Curator Linda Long at the University of Oregon starting in the summer of 2018."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["In Copyright"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/029/original/uo-logo-hires.png?1580744881","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/130/326/small/Coll520_do029.jpg?1637165522","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - Coll520_do029.mp4"]},"duration":3259.79733,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/130/326/small/Coll520_do029.jpg?1637165522","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-universityoforegonlibraries.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/130/326/original/Coll520_do029.mp4?1637165522","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":3259.79733,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["779_Coll520_do029_aligned [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: This interview is part of the Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=0.09,9.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The recordings will be made available through the University of Oregon Libraries’ Special Collections and University Archives. This is an oral history interview with Lynne Lucas on August 22, 2018, taking place in the University of Oregon Libraries’ recording studio in the Center for Media and Educational Technologies. The interviewers are Linda Long, Curator of Manuscripts in the UO Special Collections and University Archives, and Professor Judith Raiskin of the UO Department of Women's, Gender, and Sexuality Studies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=9.22,40.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lynne, please let us know if you agree to be recorded for this project and that you give your permission for the university to preserve and make available your recorded and transcribed interview.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=41.26,51.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Yes, I do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=51.22,51.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Thank you. Let's just begin with a basic question. Can you please tell us where you were born, where you grew up, and something about your early background?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=51.64,58.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Happy to. I was the third born daughter to a middle-class working family in Seattle. Born in Seattle, Washington. We moved to a suburb of Portland when I was still a baby. My dad started a heating and air conditioning business. My mom was a housewife.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=59.14,75.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pretty typical growing up family in a working-class neighborhood, except my dad was an alcoholic, so we had that kind of dysfunction. My mom and dad divorced at fourteen, when I was fourteen. We moved to the Midwest for a year, back to Oregon, so three different high schools.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=76.43,94.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then I came to Eugene in 1975 to go to Lane Community College, because my sister was pregnant and having a baby, and we were really close, and I wanted to be close to her and help with childcare and be an auntie. And so I moved into what was called Christus House on Eighteenth and Potter at the U of O campus. It was a Lutheran student housing. I'd been born and raised in the Lutheran church, and so was still very involved in the church.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=94.72,128.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lived at Christus House for a year and a half, maybe. And coincidentally, the woman across the hall from me was a lesbian from Finland, and we fell in love.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=128.45,139.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had dated in high school, and a little bit in college, and it was just one of those fairy tale kind of things. Of course, her being European kind of added to the— I don't know, it was just the fun, I guess. We were together two and a half years. She graduated and went back to Finland. I went with her and spent a summer living with her and her family in the middle of Finland, and then decided I really wasn't a lesbian; I had just happened to fall in love with this woman. This was 1977.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=140.54,176.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Came back to the States to finish my degree in home economics at Oregon State University in Child Development and Family Life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=177.59,184.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There are three of us in Eugene that have that same degree, three lesbians in Eugene. And so that was kind of fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=185.23,192.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can I ask you a question?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=192.86,195.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=195.18,195.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: When you just said you realized you weren't a lesbian, did you have negative feelings about lesbianism or homosexuality?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=195.48,201.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Not at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=201.5,202.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=202.35,202.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Not at all. I knew that the church frowned upon it and thought it wasn't okay, but I felt like my relationship with this woman was— It didn't feel wrong. So that's what I went with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=202.53,218.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Had you been told growing up in the church that homosexuality was wrong?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=218.53,223.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Yes. Yes. And in my family. That part was really scary, talking to my family members. So, I was finishing up my degree at Oregon State, dating men a lot, and had been in this wonderful, consensual, loving lesbian relationship and just finding it really different to be with men, and not quite understanding how that should all be. Not the sexual part, but more the social dynamics of the whole thing, and the power imbalances. It just felt strange.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=223.72,261.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right before I graduated from Oregon State, I came out to myself, and I knew only one other lesbian in the world, and that was a woman in Eugene that had been a friend of the woman from Finland when she was here going to school. I contacted her, and of course we ended up being in a relationship for about a year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=262.98,280.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I moved to Eugene to come to graduate school, and so I really didn't know anything about the Eugene culture. I was here first because of family, and then to come back here to go to graduate school. And while I was in graduate school, I came out to my family, and they disowned me. My sister lives in town, and I had been really close to her, and her child was three years old by then, and she just told me I wasn't welcome in her home anymore. And she still lives in Eugene. I just saw her yesterday. We meet three or four times a year for coffee. It's real light. I've tried to talk about the hard stuff; she won't go there. It's very painful. As you can see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=281.47,323.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So anyway, my chosen family and friends became my family. My mom, it took her a while to come around, and she died a year and a half ago, and she was my best champion toward the end. Came from a conservative, Republican, religious— kind of bigot, to— you know, she voted for Obama; she embraced the lesbian culture. She loved my family. That part is a happy story. My sister, not so much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=323.6,359.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then I had another sister that died of breast cancer when I was thirty-one. And she was a sister who was loving and kind and accepting, so that was sad.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=360.84,370.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What else do you want to know? Anything else I should go back and talk about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=373.51,376.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: When you were on campus here, did you see any gay community on campus or in town?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=377.33,383.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: We were pretty isolated. I remember my girlfriend at the time was talking a class from Olga Broumas, and it was radical. I mean, she was doing vaginal exams in her classroom, and it was— everybody had to go get speculums, you know, so we could see our cervixes. I remember running around one night, going to Tiffany’s and Hiron’s and trying to find a drug store that sold speculums, because we didn't have a clue.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=383.18,413.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So she was a nationally acclaimed poet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=413.61,415.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=415.34,415.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=415.45,415.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: She did amazing things. And every— you know, you hear about what she was doing in her class, and all of the baby dykes went to her class the next week to see what was going on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=415.35,427.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I wasn't out. I was just learning a little bit. I remember going to Book and Tea. You know, they had a little tiny lesbian section that was maybe a Gertrude Stein book and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=428.39,441.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: A bookstore?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=441.78,444.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: The Book and Tea on Nineteenth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=444.24,445.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Oh, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=445.98,446.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Nineteenth and— Agate. It's where the— It's my daughter's favorite restaurant. The—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=446.39,455.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Beppe and Gianni’s?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=456.05,456.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Yeah. That used to be a bookstore. Yeah. Before Mother Kali’s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=456.86,462.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I think Mother Kali’s at that time was down on Blair and Fifth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=462.9,466.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But being just scared to death to go in there and even go to this little section that was marked \"Women,\" and there was a book or two that had \"lesbian\" in the title. It was just terrifying.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=467.02,479.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And this was 1970—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=479.41,480.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Seventy-five.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=480.7,484.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Nineteen seventy-five.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=484.5,485.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Seventy-six, yeah. Yeah. Doesn't seem like that long ago. Oh, let's see. So I came out, dated a while, ended up in a long term relationship with a woman for eight years. And we were involved in Metropolitan Community Church. I was still trying to find that church/spiritual connection somehow, and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=485.25,510.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you describe the church?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=510.21,511.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Yeah. It was a church that was founded by a gay man, I think in New York City, or maybe L.A. Mostly attended by gay people, pretty— pretty biblical-based, except they kind of made the whole gay thing be about love and acceptance. It was really fun, really social. Very much a group that I could just be myself, make really good friends. I was really involved in the singing and the services and the outreach. They did lots of things in the community. You know, we rafted and did picnics and holidays together. So it was really a family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=511.29,559.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: But it was a Christian church.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=560.92,562.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: It's Christian, yes. Yes. Mostly people that had been raised in Christian faith that were still wanting that kind of connection but couldn't go to their own churches. So— and my mom, when she would come to visit, she'd always come to church with me, and that was always really, really fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=562.9,583.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That eight year relationship ended, and because I really wanted a kid. And I didn't know how that was going to happen, but this partner didn't, and it was really clear that I did, so I looked at all different options for becoming a mom and ended up deciding I wanted to adopt. And I actually, there were a couple of lesbian women in town that had adopted babies from India, so I started there, and then India became unavailable. 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It was the only one that was working with single women at the time, and being gay was never a question that got asked back then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=629.69,641.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ecuador had four different babies for me, and they all became unavailable as time went on, and then I got a call in early October of 1992, did I want to pursue China, and I had a baby girl in my arms by the end of 1992. Things do work out the way they're supposed to. I was single at the time. Kind of dating this woman, she went to China with me, she was really involved in my child's life for a while. But mostly I raised my daughter on my own until she was ten.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=644.02,677.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Let's see. Before I went to China, I started working in 1977 as a special ed teacher in 4J. At first I worked at the U of O at the Center for Child Development, in a model preschool for a year or two.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=680.09,701.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then I started working with kids that had severe disabilities in the 4J system. And had a classroom for about ten years, and then started consulting all around Lane County with teachers that had kids that needed assistive technology.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=701.47,717.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Can you explain 4J?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=717.57,718.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Oh, 4J is the public school in Eugene. It's called District 4J.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=718.81,724.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When I first started teaching, it was '77 or '78, and I wasn't out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=729.02,734.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Nobody was. You know? You went to the bars on the weekend and on Thursday night at the Riv, and you had your little groups and you played softball and did what you did, but you didn't talk about it at work. I had a classroom, and I had two pretty conservative Christian middle aged women that were the educational assistants in my classroom, and so it just didn't feel safe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=736.61,760.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Once I transitioned and started working as an assistive technology consultant, there was a woman named Betsy Adelka who worked in the same office, and we all, in— it must have been 1992, because it was right before I went to China— We made a cake on the National Coming Out Day— I think it's October 11th or something— and put it in the staff room and said, \"Thanks for your support,\" and it was that little— Keith Haring, is that the picture of the guy coming out of the door? And wrote our names in a card, and we got some— not hostile, but concerns, and a lot of people were like, \"Oh, yeah, we've known. Thank you for being open about it.\" And then the No on 9 thing was happening, and that's really why we did it. We had people say, \"I love you, I care about you, but I can't vote for that thing—\" or, vote against it. And other people saying, \"Because you came out, we're going to support you and value you.\" So that was scary, because it was—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=760.6,825.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And you had been through some other referendums before that, because you lived here. So, in the '70s, there was 51, and then I believe there was 8, these anti-gay measures.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=825.24,836.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: And there was the Springfield thing that I remember, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=836.8,839.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=839.51,839.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: City of Springfield—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=839.65,839.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: I don't know that I was that involved politically with them back then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=839.89,843.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: But by Measure 9, which was really virulently anti-gay, you—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=843.85,849.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Yeah. And because I was teaching and some school teachers were targeted that were actually targeted by the right wing to— as lesbian or gay people in their schools, in their kids' schools— It was very scary. And so gay school teachers had meetings together, in clandestine places so nobody could find out about it, and figured out ways that we could support each other and keep each other safe. I mean, one of my friends couldn't teach during that time because she was targeted and she got put on leave.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=850.41,886.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What was targeted? What does that mean?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=886.74,888.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: It meant that one of the parents assumed she was gay, and I think they talked to the— it was on the news and in the newspaper that this woman was a lesbian and had looked at her daughter in the PE locker room, or some outrageous assumption that wasn't true. But scary for this person. And just not being sure that the union would have our backs if we were targeted. Usually it was accusations that we were afraid of people making up. And, I mean, special ed has a ton of gay and lesbian teachers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=888.81,930.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Why do you think that is?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=930.41,933.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Maybe it's just the difference. I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=935.54,938.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You mean feeling different yourself?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=938.73,941.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Yeah. Yeah. And having a community that's oppressed and different. I don't know. It kind of binds you together, maybe. But yeah, there's handfuls of us. Yeah. Which has always been a great thing, because you had camaraderie within your profession.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=941.72,964.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: During the '80s, all the '80s when you were teaching and then consulting, you were fairly closeted.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=964.06,972.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=972.68,973.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: If you ran into a family from the school, what would you do, or how would you speak with them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=973.16,979.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: I would probably— if I was with my partner or something, I would say, \"This is my roommate.\" Yeah. People knew I had a roommate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=979.98,986.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I've always used the word \"partner” in terms of a significant relationship.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=987.43,991.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Can you tell us more about the process to adopt your daughter?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=997.82,1002.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Mm-hmm [affirmative].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1002.79,1003.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What you had to do with the agency?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1003.32,1005.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Yeah. First, you had to find an agency that was willing to work with single women, and you had to meet the criteria of making enough money, having a job and health insurance, having a stable home where you lived— so you had to fill out all that paperwork, write like a ten-page description of your life, your family history, your medical history, your spirituality, how you view relationships and discipline, and your interactions with kids, and your friendships. It was just— they gave you a list of questions, so I had a couple of the lesbians that had adopted shared their stories with me, so that gave me a reference.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1005.47,1055.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You had to do all your bank account information and have home studies done, which meant a social worker came into your home and looked in your closets and through your cupboards and made sure that everything was up to snuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1057.48,1070.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What was the social worker like? Were they sympathetic? Did they understand what was— did they help you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1070.8,1078.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Not helpful, in a way, but encouraging. But I wasn't out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1079.7,1085.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1085.08,1085.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: It wasn't ever asked. If it had been— I went into the adoption process with a lot of integrity, because I felt like I wasn't going to lie about who I was in order to be able to be a mom and adopt a baby.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1086.03,1100.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Nobody ever asked me if I was a lesbian. In all the paperwork I filled out, I was just single. They asked about significant relationships, and I had said I had an eight year relationship that didn't work out because I wanted to parent. I was really honest.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1101.48,1115.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Honest about my dad's alcoholism, honest about where I lived and what I liked to do. I mean, it just felt like that was so important.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1117.09,1126.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When I was in China— Going back, it took six years in order for the paperwork and the process and countries looking at different things, becoming available. Once China opened up its doors to Americans to adopt, it went really quickly. And I had great support from the adoption agency and my family and friends, and the trip to China was amazing. They knocked on the door and gave me this beautiful baby, and I felt like—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1127.45,1163.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Can you talk more about that moment when you saw your daughter?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1163.88,1167.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Well, I had been dating this woman named Betsy, who was very excited about a baby and wanted to be a part of this child's family, and so she came with me to China, and she was the perfect one to be there, because she was loving and kind and comfortable. We kind of just did this caretaking and falling in love with this baby together. It was lovely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1167.82,1192.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When we were in China, I mean, you have all these feelings of— like new parents do, towards this infant, and it's amazing and miraculous and loving, so we were sweet with each other, and somebody said, \"You can't do that.\" Like if you put your arm around each other in public, or hold hands, or take an elbow or something while you're walking. And then one of the other families asked if we were lesbian. And I, of course, for my place said, \"Yes, but you can't tell anybody, because they'll take my baby away.\" Because in those days, it was illegal to be homosexual in China.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1193.01,1231.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She was— this other woman that had asked me was a very conservative born-again Christian, and her and her husband had brought their bibles with them to China. And we had bonded and did some things together with them, and I asked her if she would swear on her bible that she wouldn't tell, because we were leaving China the next day. And I thought, \"Oh my gosh, they're going to come and take my baby away if they find this out.\" She never told.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1233.67,1256.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"To this day, she never told.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1257.03,1258.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Could we back up for a sec?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1260.24,1261.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1261.38,1261.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: So, you book your flight.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1261.77,1264.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1264.6,1264.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: To China.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1264.68,1265.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1265.88,1265.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Other prospective parents are booking their flights to go to China.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1265.96,1272.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do you all stay in the same hotel?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1272.23,1274.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1274.01,1274.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Did the agency help you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1274.37,1274.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: We all met up in San Francisco and got on the same flight to Shanghai, and everybody's all excited and talking about what they're going to name their kid and how old their babies are and all of that. And we arrive in Shanghai and take a train to Nanjing, which is the county seat, or the state seat for that province, and do all this paperwork there. It's December, and it's cold. And we were lucky we had nice hotels that had heat, but most offices we were in didn't have heat. All the men wore black leather jackets and smoked cigarettes, and all the officials and all the government people. Let's see. Then we stayed in Nanjing for one night. There were eight or ten of us. We had a facilitator and an interpreter, and got in a van and went two and a half hours to this town of half a million people called Yangzhou, and that's where my daughter was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1274.61,1336.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Was she in an—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1336.82,1337.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: An orphanage.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1337.55,1339.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: An orphanage.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1340.53,1340.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: She had been in an orphanage. The story goes, she had been in an orphanage, and when she was two weeks old she was really sick, and one of the workers at the orphanage took her home because she was going to die. She was really sick. And the family took her home to take care of her, and found medical care for her, and took her to a doctor every day for IV fluids and antibiotics, and little by little she got better, and they kept her. And when I got to China, the orphanage director went to their house and said, \"This baby is going to the United States.\" And the night before I got there, they took this baby to give to me. From this family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1340.73,1380.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When we were there, we went to visit the orphanage with the babies, and this one woman was just all over this baby of mine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1382.23,1390.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so I had her write her name down on a little piece of paper, and when I got home I sent her some pictures. And she kept saying, she kept pointing to the baby and to herself, and I was like, \"You must have taken care of her.\" I couldn't get an interpreter to figure out what was going on. I sent her pictures, and the day before Mother's Day, in May, I get an eight page letter in Chinese, written from this woman. And a package that looked like a pillow that was a piece of cotton with an address label on it that had been hand sewn, full of baby clothes that she had hand made. And a letter explaining what had happened with this baby that I had taken home.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1390.52,1428.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When I had gotten to China, the baby that I had had the paperwork for was sick and unavailable, so they replaced the baby I was supposed to get with this baby that had been in this care of this woman and her family. She said, \"We never anticipated that she would leave us. We thought she would be ours forever.\" And she said, \"We called her Little Treasure\" and all these beautiful names, \"and we finally settled on the name Yin, Y-I-N, which means ‘to lead or to guide.’\" I didn't know that until May, so I had named her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1429.58,1466.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We had a birth date. It was all for this other baby that wasn't available. So we had to scramble and change her birth certificate and all of that, but I really believed I got the baby I was supposed to get. But her story was so much different. She was only in the orphanage for a few days until this woman took her home, and she was a part of her family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1466.65,1488.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How old was she when she came to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1488.41,1490.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Six months. She'd been— from two weeks to five and a half months, she'd been with this family. And it was obvious, because the other families that got babies, they made little eye contact. A lot of them were doing self-soothing behaviors, and my daughter was cooing and engaging and laughing and motorically more advanced. She was kind of the clown. You know? She would just crack up, you know, and the other babies were just blank. It was hard for other parents to see that. And it was hard for me to see it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1490.39,1530.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so as I kind of put the pieces together later on, it became obvious as to why she was so well cared for. Yeah. And emotionally just really— I mean, she grieved and she cried. She lost her whole culture and language, and we were white faces that she'd never seen before. But— yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1531.62,1555.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We got out of China. They let us go. But when I came home— This relates to me being a lesbian— One of the other families from New York, a stockbroker from New York that was forty and adopted a baby, she had never held a baby, changed a baby, or fed a baby, but she wanted a baby. She came to China to get a baby, and she got a baby. And she— her baby cried all the time, and I would offer to hold her baby, and her baby would stop crying. I felt like it was because I connected— or wasn't afraid, or knew what this baby needed. And she got the biggest baby, and she didn't even have a stroller, and her back was killing her. China was not a good experience for her. So this baby Elizabeth, every time I'd hold her, she'd stop crying. And she's like, \"Well, maybe you should've been her mother.\" She was a woman that had an attitude.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1555.75,1620.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When she got back to New York, she called the adoption agency and told them that I had not bonded with my baby, that I was not taking good care of my baby, and that I was a lesbian and shouldn't have been allowed to adopt a baby. And they sent the social worker to my house immediately with those accusations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1620.32,1637.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Oh my God.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1640.16,1640.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: And by that time, I think it was like three or four days after I'd been home from China.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1640.27,1645.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was her motivation to do that? Do you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1645.49,1649.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: No. I don't. I don't. She left China early because she was having such a hard time with the culture and the poverty. She just— and we stayed in really nice places, but they weren't nice enough for her. She just—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1649.04,1672.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: How many days were you in China?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1672.96,1675.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Two weeks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1675.5,1676.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Two weeks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1677.04,1677.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: In the dead of winter. It was cold.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1677.26,1678.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: But the social worker came to your house?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1678.72,1681.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Yes. And it was the same social worker that did my adoption home study, and she just said, \"You know, we had some concerns,\" and I just of course burst into tears and said, \"Look, this is my baby.\" And then, \"Of course I love her, and I can't imagine what was going on in that woman's mind.\" Also, this woman in China spent most of her time in the bar drinking, so that I think had something to do with her motivation. I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1681.81,1709.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We got all our kids on New Years Eve at 8:00 at night, and in the town where we were, the bells ring at midnight and all around the town, and you're supposed to go out and listen to the bells, and that will bring you good luck in the New Year. We did that, and when we were doing that, two of the other couples were in the bar with their baby, drinking. It's just a different lifestyle, a different way of experiencing children.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1709.84,1734.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At one point, all of our receipts for meals were getting divided equally, and I realized that these two other couples were drinking enormous amounts of liquor that was being billed to all of us, so I said I didn't want to pay for the liquor, and that may have been the motivation. I don't know. I'm a little sensitive to alcoholism, as you may be able to tell.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1738.04,1760.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The social worker said, \"It's really clear you love your baby. I don't understand where this is coming from.\" While she was at my house, one of my best friends that I had taught school with who had also adopted a baby two years before, came. And she was livid and said to the social worker, \"How dare you interrupt this precious time that Lynne is having with this baby? She's just gotten back from China. This is totally absurd, and you need to stop.\" I couldn't say it, but she did. I thanked her for that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1762.23,1793.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then as soon as she left, I called my attorney Dana Weinstein and said, \"Dana, I'm scared. They're accusing me,\" and it's like, uh— and she said— she gave me really good advice. She was wonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1793.37,1804.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And she said, \"Call the adoption agency. Tell them how outraged you are about these accusations. Don't tell them you're a lesbian.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1805.74,1813.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Just say you cannot believe somebody is making accusations of those kind, and if they need to see you or your baby, you are happy to drive to McMinnville where their office is and answer any questions they might have. But you are having— this is exactly what you wanted. You've bonded with your baby. You love her with all your heart, and you can't imagine what this woman had to say.\" And I did. I mean, I was so scared to call, and they just said, \"Oh, no, no, no. It's okay. It's okay. You don't need to come.\" I mean, that was really wonderful advice. And I still had integrity. I didn't lie. I was just outraged that they could make those accusations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1813.78,1857.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: You must have felt really relieved, though, when the final adoption papers were completed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1858.67,1863.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Yeah. Yeah. They were actually completed in China, and then we did re-adopt in Oregon. You didn't have to, but I did, just because I wanted to be safe, and I wanted her to be naturalized, also, and not wait for citizenship. Her birth certificate actually has me on there as a mother, and it's an Oregon birth certificate, which seems really strange. I have all of her Chinese paperwork, too. But that's never been an issue, and when she was four my mom and I went to Portland and she was naturalized as a US citizen. I kind of wanted to wait until she was older so she could remember and be a part of it, and with things being so uneasy in the political climate, everybody was just saying \"Do it as soon as you can.\" So we did, and it's never been an issue.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1863.5,1891.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you find support in the lesbian community as a mother?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1910.62,1913.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Oh, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1913.09,1913.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was that like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1914.02,1915.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: I had really good friends that were aunties that took her one night a week. I had people that would come over and hang out with her so I could go on a date. I mean, it was just— I found the lesbian community was wonderful. It was wonderful. And Liane was the first Chinese baby to be adopted in Oregon to a lesbian mom, and now there are hundreds. Hundreds, even in Eugene. Therewas a group called Families with Children from China, and I helped organize that early on. We had lots of single moms and lesbians that had kids from China.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1915.39,1956.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"After my experience, the adoption agency in McMinnville, called PLAN, start having single women sign affidavits that they weren't homosexual. And I was just glad that was never a choice for me, or something I was made to do, because I don't know if I could have done it. And I know handfuls of women that signed those papers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1956.69,1977.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they have beautiful babies and have created a family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1977.55,1981.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, I had lots of support. One of my daughter's best friends had come home from China two weeks before her, here to Eugene, and it was a professor at the university, and she had just moved and started a job teaching here, so nobody really knew her. And everywhere I went, baby stores and Peralandra, they'd say, \"Oh, this other woman was in here with her baby from China. You have to meet her.\" And so I was leaving my name all around. It was before the Internet; we didn't have ways to connect.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=1984.23,2010.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And finally— I can't even remember who— Somebody knew somebody who knew Polly, and we got together, and our kids were best friends until they moved away. She went back to Boston when the kids were eight. But yeah, we were at their house or they were at our house. We did family vacations, we did everything together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2010.2,2029.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that was kind of like having a relationship, but we weren't lovers. But we were family, definitely. Chinese New Year and birthdays and camping. You know. That was wonderful. And Liane and Lili are still in touch. I don't know that they're really good friends, but they're still in touch. And they lived in our neighborhood, and it just was a really nice way to— have the kids grow up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2029.68,2052.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How did you find entering the schools as a lesbian mother?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2052.64,2058.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Well, first off, when I looked for daycare, I found— I was at the International Women's Day Celebration in 1993. I'm not sure where it was. March eighth. And there was a woman there, and everybody would see me with this Chinese baby, and they'd want to know where she came from, and \"Oh, I heard about your baby.\" And there was a Chinese woman there with her baby, and she said she knew a couple that had just come from China, that their daughter was a student at the U of O, and that maybe they would do childcare. I really wanted her to continue to be in a Chinese environment, so I got their number. You know, you call them, and they didn't speak English, but their daughter did, so we went— they lived six blocks from us. Three hundred dollars a month, they took care of Liane from 8:30 in the morning until 4:00.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2059.63,2106.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They didn't speak any English. Her first words were in Chinese.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2106.91,2109.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They never put her down. They held her all the time. They didn't have the heat on in their house. Totally typical Chinese house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2109.98,2118.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Everything came from garage sales. Nothing on the walls, except maybe one little picture. You know, always had hot tea on. And I'd knock on the door and hand her over and say, \"Have a good day. I love you,\" and they never called me during the day. I couldn't really call them. And she was loved and cherished. And after a year, they moved away, and so I had to find someplace else.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2118.54,2141.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was interviewing daycare places, and the first thing I would say is, \"I'm a lesbian.\" You have to be okay with that. And you know, some people were taken aback, but the EWEB Child Development Center is where she landed, and it was a wonderful place. So from eighteen months through her kindergarten year, she went there every day. And she wasn't the only kid that had lesbian moms. She had lesbian caregivers, and they were very supportive about talking about one mom or two moms or different kinds of families, so that worked out. That was a good place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2141.98,2180.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I wanted her— of course, we all think our children are the most special and the most bright, so I wanted her to go to a school where she'd be academically challenged. She was a busy toddler, and I couldn't see her sitting in a desk in a first grade classroom with one teacher all day long. I just knew that that would be hard for her, so Eastside was where we chose. I had helped to parent Kendra Morrigan's daughter McKenna. She was at my house one and two nights a week during the school year, and oftentimes for extended weeks during the summer. And McKenna had gone to Eastside, and it was a wonderful school for her. McKenna was ten when Liane came home to us, so she was the big sister. And they are indeed sisters. They see each other several times a week. They have, between the two of them, three little girls. Lyla is in the middle of McKenna's two girls. They have forged a family relationship, and it's what I wanted for both of them, because they were both only kids. That's pretty special.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2181.34,2245.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Did your daughter— was she able to continue to speak Chinese?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2245.5,2247.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: No. She— there was a Chinese school in town on Sunday afternoons, and she went to Chinese school for two years. She was the only kid that wasn't— well, Lili went too, but her mom didn't insist on her going quite like I insisted on Liane going. Liane was really good at picking up and learning Chinese and writing Chinese. She was the only kid who wasn't living in a Chinese-born family, with Chinese parents, so she didn't have the discipline; she didn't have the— fear, I guess. I'd stand outside the classroom doors and I'd hear, \"Liane, sit down. Liane, pay attention. Liane, look here.\" Because she was flitting around.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2247.96,2296.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"After two years, we came to an agreement that it just probably wasn't a good fit. And this was when she was four and five, which is really a good age to acquire another language, and she did amazing. She would come home and sing songs and say things and count. I mean, she had heard it, so it came back. But she hated it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2297.8,2315.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She felt like she was different in some respects, and she was the only one whose Caucasian mother came to pick her up. And we were kind of, you know— mostly, the Chinese community was accepting, but I think it kind of cast a dark shadow on the whole one-child policy in China, so it was a reminder to them of—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2315.7,2337.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Why the girls were in the orphanage to begin with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2338.13,2341.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Yeah. Throw away children. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2341.34,2344.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And was the elementary school experience a good one?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2345.18,2348.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: It was, for the most part. Yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2348.78,2351.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Were you out to teachers?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2351.71,2353.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Oh, yeah. Totally. I started— When Liane was ten months old, I met my current partner, Mary. And Mary was also a high school teacher, and she really wasn't into kids. Didn't think she was. After six months of dating, I said to her, \"You know, I've got this baby, and if we're going to continue dating, I need to know whether you're in for the long haul or not.\" And she said, \"Yeah, I think maybe we can move in when she's two.\" We each had a house in separate sections of Eugene. And we had real similar backgrounds.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2353.92,2393.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We liked to do a lot of the same things. She just was kind of like, \"Whoa, a kid.\" And we met at a two-step dance at Condon School.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2393.99,2401.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harriet Rubin was our Yenta. She introduced us. Because of course, we would have so much in common because we were both school teachers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2401.78,2408.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We dated across town for nine years, and then 9/11 happened. And I had always been saying, \"Let's move in together,\" and Mary lived on a really busy street and I lived in a little teeny, tiny house. And when 9/11 happened, I said, \"You know, we either need to solidify our family or change our— it's just too hard to do this across town.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2413.55,2437.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was the effect of 9/11 on that decision?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2437.84,2439.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Well, just that we could not be here tomorrow, or our world could blow up, or who knows. Kind of what's happening now, might happen. Who knows. We had what's called a family joining ceremony up the river with eleven of our most treasured friends.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2439.54,2460.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we exchanged vows; we became family. Mary took Liane in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2462.22,2469.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, we made a commitment to each other. And then when we got back from that little adventure, we put our houses on the market and sold our houses and bought a house together. And the week we moved into our house, Liane turned ten. And since Mary had been a high school teacher, she was wonderful with teenagers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2470.18,2488.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Just give me a baby any day; I'm not so good with teenagers. She kind of became the go-to mom with the homework and the— I was the driver, but Mary was more of the emotional support.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2488.97,2500.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then Liane went to South Eugene High School and graduated, and she was a wonderful student. And she ran the daycare center on campus, and she was on the debate team and involved in student government. She went to the University of Puget Sound, and then now she has her own family and is a mom. We get to be grandmas to this wonderful little girl.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2502.1,2526.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Is she in Eugene?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2526.21,2527.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: She was in Eugene, and now she's in the Seattle area. So. And that's where McKenna is also, so she's got extended family up there. It's really fun being a grandma, but it's exhausting, also.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2527.26,2542.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You want to tell us about the full moon circles that you did?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2544.88,2546.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Oh, yeah. After I left that relationship in the '80s after eight years and I'd been involved at MCC, I wanted some kind of spiritual touchstone, and because I had known McKenna's mom, who was involved in witchy stuff in Eugene, I got to know gani and kaseja— I'm trying to think of who else— Jennifer Horton— Lor— Laura Philips, Sally and Enid— and we started— Mostly it was kaseja and gani, started this full moon circle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2546.66,2586.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They brought thirteen women together every month on the full moon. We sang songs, we called the four directions, we supported each other. It was very grounding, very affirming of who was are, where we were, and the kind of life we were choosing. We watched people have kids, coming and going. After about maybe five or six years, people started— some people adopted; some people had kids; some people moved away; some people had partners that weren't into it. Some people brought their partners in and then they broke up, so they left. The dynamics of the circle changed, and I am the only original member.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2587.31,2633.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The circle still meets. We meet about four times a year: Barb Ryan, Lynn Marx, and Chris Staight, and I. And we've all watched each other's families— kids grow up, get married; adoptions happen; babies happen, grandkids. Now we're all grandparents. It's so, so interesting and fun. And supportive. I mean, we've seen relationships come and go. We still go to the beach about once a year for a weekend and check in. That's really important to me, that that continuity keeps going. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2633.91,2669.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you remember over the years at different— because you've been here a long time— where there were different conflicts in the lesbian community, around differences or different ideals?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2669.58,2679.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: I think— since I've been with Mary these twenty-five years, I have been more on the periphery. Before that, I think I was much more involved in the politics of it. And when you're raising a kid, you just— it kind of shifted my whole perspective. I think now with the transgender stuff, that's huge. I don't— yeah, I don't know. Yeah, certainly not in the school district. Once I came out, I felt like I had tons of support.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2681.65,2723.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Are you still teaching?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2727.66,2730.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: I retired eight years ago. I was one of these lucky ones, you know, got my master’s degree when I was twenty-two and started teaching, and I didn't have a clue what PERS was. And I really— you know, it was—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2730.88,2743.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: The retirement system.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2744.01,2745.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: It seemed so far off. And I was lucky enough that I was born into a family that valued education and encouraged that, and I got a college degree thanks to my parents, and my master’s degree, and here I am. You know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2746.11,2764.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: So when you started teaching in the 4J school district, you really weren't quite aware of the value of PERS? Is that what you're saying?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2765.01,2773.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: No, I just knew I wanted to work with kids and have my own classroom, and there— the finest people in the world are teachers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2773.29,2784.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They really are the salt of the earth, and I always had wonderful, wonderful coworkers. And that's the thing I miss the most about being retired, is I don't have a group I'm checking in with very day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2784.09,2796.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, you used to know about everybody's family and life and what was going on, so. Yeah, it was a wonderful— I felt like I got to give back, I got a lot of— I learned so much, and it was a wonderful profession.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2796.71,2817.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: So you're relatively young to be retired, then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2818.47,2822.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Sixty-two. I just turned sixty-two.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2822.23,2824.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2824.07,2824.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2825.11,2825.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What have you been doing in retirement?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2826.5,2828.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Oh, goodness. I have been— well, it took me a while to find my place. I've always been a busy person, so finding things to fill my time is not hard. But in the last five years or so I've been volunteering for an organization called Days for Girls. And we make sustainable menstrual hygiene kits for girls in third world countries so they can go to school when they have their periods.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2828.54,2860.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because girls in India and China and Africa are often shamed and have— they don't have anything to use, so they sit and bleed on cardboard, or use moss or leaves or grass or mud or whatever they can find. And have infections. This organization has a chapter in Eugene, and I started sewing and volunteering with them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2861.61,2885.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then I found out about a humanitarian group from Lane County that does medical missions in Haiti, and in April I went to Haiti for ten days and was a representative of Days for Girls. We gave presentations to 400 women and children about reproduction and anatomy and pregnancy and how their bodies work and what happens when you're menstruating and how you get pregnant and all that stuff, and handed out these beautiful kits to these girls and women so they could stay in school and hopefully have better hygiene. It was pretty rewarding. And now I'm working on going go India in December. It gives me a focus. I get to sew at home, I get to connect with other women that are doing the same things, and I get to travel, so it's a win/win for everybody.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2886.85,2937.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I also am a CASA, which is a Court Appointed Special Advocate for kids in foster care. It was a nine week class I had to take. Pretty intense. You have to write court reports; you are the eyes and ears of the judge. I have two foster babies that I visit a couple times a month in their foster home and visitations with their bio mom. You know, talking to attorneys, working with adoption committees, social workers, making sure kids are getting what they need. It's intense. Sometimes it's really hard, because you get to know the ins and outs of the social welfare system and what works and what doesn't work so well. That's been challenging.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2937.63,2984.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I started a neighborhood watch group in our block. We got some signs up, we have a little email list for when people want to report things to other people. And I'm also doing a volunteer job at the hospital called No One Dies Alone. I've been with three family members that have died, and it just felt like a gift I could give. You do a little training, and you get on a list, and when somebody's in the hospital and has nobody else to be there with them, they put out an all call and start a vigil, and if you have time you go and hang out and sit and just be a presence in the room with somebody.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=2985.7,3028.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That happens maybe once a month. Pretty emotional, heavy duty things I'm doing, but— it's what I can do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=3029.57,3039.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you have any thoughts about what aging as a lesbian will look like for you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=3039.68,3044.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Yeah. It's— it’s hard to experience my body being pain. I have osteoarthritis, so my back hurts. I still want to do things. I'm a builder and a carpenter and a gardener, and I still do things, and then I hurt. Oh, well. I'd rather be busy and create things than not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=3045.53,3073.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mary and I have thought about— having all of our parents age and need extra care, and then having helped them and be with them when they died, really makes you think about, \"Okay, what's going to happen with us?\" We have a daughter. You know, I don't know if she's going to be around to do what we did. We have a really big house, and we are pretty sure we can stay in our house, because we have enough finances, and then maybe we can hire people or students or younger lesbian or queer, gender neutral, fluid, whatever they are, people to live upstairs and take care of us. We're not sure. Having seen both of our moms being in some kind of care facilities, I don't think we want to do that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=3075.13,3119.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Would you worry about being in a care facility as a lesbian?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=3119.85,3122.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: No. I don't think at that point in my life it would matter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=3122.77,3127.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: But if you imagine hire somebody, you're imagining a queer person.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=3127.82,3135.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Yeah. Yeah. Because it's our home. Maybe. I mean, you never know. We've also talked about, if it gets bad enough and our lives are— if we're suffering, that we might talk about suicide. Just because— Peg Morton was a lesbian in town who had a couple rounds of an illness and decided she had lived long enough and used up her resources and stopped eating. I don't think I could stop eating, but I just think I do understand about using up resources and just getting to a place in your life where you're done. You know, that's years away, but I think it just kind of needs to be an option, at least for us. I don't want to be a burden. We'll see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=3135.61,3191.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right now, you know, I struggle with pain every day. I've got plenty to keep me busy and make my life meaningful. I feel like I've got lots to give back. That feels really good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=3194.24,3204.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: When you look back at your life, what would you consider as the greatest joy?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=3206.32,3211.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Hmm. Oh. The greatest— well, it has to be, and I'm sure most people say this, my kid. The greatest joy and also source of huge pain, as they grow up and change. But that, I feel like that was— especially because it was adoption and I worked so hard to bring a baby home from somewhere in this world, and I was so ready. And it kept happening and not happening and happening and not happening. She was a wonderful. A wonderful gift. And the best teacher, and the purest joy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=3211.37,3251.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Thank you very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=3252.07,3256.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lucas: Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=3256.91,3257.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=3257.45,3257.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[END OF INTERVIEW]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326#t=3257.57,3257.67"}]},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56116/file/130326/transcript/92591/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/591/original/779_Coll520_do029_aligned.vtt?1776852360","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/591/original/779_Coll520_do029_aligned.vtt?1776852360"}]}]}]}