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She learned about lesbianism as a teenager from reading books on deviant behavior. When she was thirteen, Roberta came out to herself and a close friend. She went to an all-girls school where some of the teachers were lesbians. School was a good experience for her. Roberta's mother died when she was sixteen. Roberta studied social work in college. She worked at Guthrie House, a halfway house for women transitioning from jail. Later, she worked at the Every Women's Health Center, which provided abortions. She came out to her father when she was thirty-five. Roberta talks about moving to Eugene when she was thirty-two years old. She discusses her impressions. She joined Soromundi Lesbian Chorus of Eugene when it was started. She talks about the anti-gay Ballot Measures 9 and 13, and the Oregon Citizens Alliance, and the hardships experienced during that difficult time. Roberta describes her jobs with the City of Eugene. The first was working with the Eugene Recreation Services, and the last was with the IT department. She discusses her union work with the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees Union (AFSCME). In all of her jobs, Roberta was always out at work. Roberta concludes her interview by discussing conflicts in the lesbian community, marriage equality, and retirement.\n\nKey terms: Bars (Drinking establishments) -- Australia; Coming out (sexual orientation); Eugene (Or.)  --  Social conditions; Homophobia; Oregon NOW (Organization)."]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Roberta Pupilli (Interviewee)","Judith L. Raiskin (Interviewer)","Linda Long (Interviewer)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["In Copyright"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["https://scua.uoregon.edu/repositories/2/archival_objects/607032"]}},{"label":{"en":["Type"]},"value":{"en":["Moving Image"]}}],"summary":{"en":["The Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project Collection consists of interviews of 83 people for the Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project, conducted by Professor Judith Raiskin and Curator Linda Long at the University of Oregon starting in the summer of 2018."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["In Copyright"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/029/original/uo-logo-hires.png?1580744881","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/130/375/small/Coll520_do046.jpg?1637320709","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - Coll520_do046.mp4"]},"duration":3936.46933,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/130/375/small/Coll520_do046.jpg?1637320709","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-universityoforegonlibraries.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/130/375/original/Coll520_do046.mp4?1637320709","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":3936.46933,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["849_Coll520_do046_aligned [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: This interview is part of the Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=0.06,9.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The recordings will be made available through the University of Oregon Libraries' Special Collections \u0026 University Archives. This is an oral history interview with Roberta Pupilli on August 24, 2018, taking place in the University of Oregon Libraries’ recording studio in the Center for Media and Educational Technologies. The interviewers are Linda Long, Curator of Manuscripts in the UO Libraries' Special Collections and University Archives, and Professor Judith Raiskin of the UO Department of Women's, Gender and Sexuality Studies. Roberta, please let us know if you agree to be recorded for this project, and that you give your permission for the university to preserve and make available your recorded and transcribed interview.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=9.99,53.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Yes, I do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=54.13,54.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Thank you very much. Let's just begin with a simple question. Can you please tell us when and where you were born, where you grew up, and something about your early background?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=54.85,63.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Yes. I was born in a little town called Ostia just outside of Rome in Italy in 1957. My family immigrated to Australia when I was five.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=63.69,77.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We were two families of four with two single men. The ten of us got together and got on a ship just outside of Naples. It took, at that point in time, about three or four weeks to get to Australia when we had to go around Africa because the Suez Canal was closed at that point. So it was a long trek. On the ship, the men and the boys learned English and the women and the girls didn't. They were setting up the men to start working and so on and the women, they'll make due.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=78.8,117.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anyway, got to Sydney, Australia and we all lived together in a two-bedroom house very much like the immigration story now until both of the fathers could find work. Then we separated and lived in different houses and started our life. We were the first Italians in the neighborhood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=117.82,141.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Why did you immigrate your family?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=143.75,145.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Well, the political situation was so unsteady in Italy at that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=145.49,150.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My father started thinking that maybe that's not the best time to raise children there. Every six months, there was a different government and very extreme. It had the fascists and it had the democrats and it had the socialists. So, he decided that it was time to move. Just our immediate family moved. The rest of my family is still in Italy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=150.77,175.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What kind of work did your father do?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=176.4,178.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: He was a fitter and turner which I think in America is called a machinist. My mother was a seamstress. Definitely, working class roots. Australia at that time was asking for immigrants from Italy and from Greece to come in and do the work that people didn't want to do there. It worked out. He applied a few times and then eventually was accepted. Then we moved. So for me being five years of age, I started school at that point in time. We spoke Italian at home, so no one had any English except for the little bit that my father and my brother learned. My brother was twelve so he had a much harder time trying to integrate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=178.22,226.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was interesting because there was a lot of prejudice against Italians and Greeks at that point in time because we were coming in to take the jobs of the local people. A lot of my bullying actually happened around me being an immigrant as opposed to me being a lesbian. I came out when I was thirteen to myself. I had a very good friend that I grew up with who was Greek Australian. The first day of high school, I sat in an all-girls school and I didn't know anyone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=228.62,264.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She walked in the door and I said, \"Quick, quick, come over here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=265.5,267.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sit next to me.\" She sat next to me. And, I don't know. I don't know what it was, how we actually who came to start talking about sexuality. But we did and we were both lesbians. So, we both grew up together being lesbian not in relationship but as good friends.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=267.81,289.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What did you know about lesbian at thirteen? How did you know it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=289.77,295.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: I mean, I had a really strong feeling. I had really strong urges. I couldn't quite make sense of it. But I was drawn to things like books on deviant behavior because it was deviant behavior back then. So, psychology books and I'd read and I'd go, \"Yes, this is me.\" I wouldn't think of it as deviant behavior. It was just a way for me to actually say, \"Okay, this is where I belong.\" I know I don't belong here. But I didn't know where until I started looking at this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=296.89,329.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then I thought, \"Oh, okay.\" I think homosexual is the word that I used at that point in time because I didn't know the word lesbian till a couple of years later. We were lucky. We were very lucky because we were an all-girls school. We had some teachers that were also lesbian.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=330.0,350.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: How did you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=351.14,351.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Well, they looked after us. They sort of just kept an eye on us and made sure that things were okay for us. They would sort of joke, not really say explicitly, but they would joke about themselves. Oh, we understand what's happening here. That was great. We actually had quite a lot of friends in high school that was— it was a really supportive environment to sort of come out and explore. I'd have puppy love. I'd walk my girlfriend home at thirteen and carry her books. It was just silly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=351.87,395.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What did your fellow students think about that? Did you get any negative reactions?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=396.42,402.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: No. I mean, it was really interesting. We would send love notes to other girls in the class who were obviously heterosexual, they were not lesbian. They would respond back to us telling us they loved us. It was unbelievable. It was a family unit. Things at home for me were not good. At school was where I actually got to feel safe and comfortable and myself, which was—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=403.08,436.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Can I ask? In Australia, did they always separate girls from boys in— Was it a public school you went to?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=436.85,444.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Yes, public school. Yes. Actually, in private schools as well. There were boys schools and girls schools at that time. I think it's still the same now but I'm not quite sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=444.1,453.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Was the curriculum different, for boys school and girls schools?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=453.53,456.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: I don't really know. I don't really know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=456.68,461.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Interesting. Did you come out to your family at that point or—?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=461.3,469.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Well, my brother knew just because I'll be going every afternoon walking my girlfriend home. When he wanted me to do something for him, I'd say, \"Oh, no. I don't have time.\" He'd say, \"Oh, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=469.9,483.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You have to walk your girlfriend home. Right?\" It was kind of our way of acknowledging, yes, this was what was happening. My mother died when I was sixteen. I didn't ever come out to her. My father, really, I didn't come out to him until I was probably about thirty-five. That being said, I brought him to my house when I lived with friends and lovers. I would say, \"This is where we sleep. This is my house.\" They would come over and meet my Dad.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=483.11,517.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was obvious to me, but the “L word” was never spoken until I was thirty-five. By that time, I was living here in Eugene. I sent him a letter. I waited ten days because the snail mail used to take ten days to get to Australia. I called him on the eleventh day, I think, and I said, \"Did you get my mail? Did you get my letter?\" He said, \"Yeah.\" I said, \"What do you think?\" He said, \"I read it. I tore it up. I never want to talk about it.\" It was very hard to hear, but my father loved me unconditionally. I mean, it didn't change our relationship.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=517.15,568.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It didn't deepen our relationship as far as that piece of my life, but I felt completely loved and supported by him, and vice versa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=568.95,578.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So, you're back in high school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=578.4,583.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Yes, back in high school, then we have at fourth year, you can leave and get a Leaving Certificate or you can go on for another two years and get a Higher School Certificate, which will then allow you to go to a college or university. My good friend left at fourth form.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=583.61,601.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What age is that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=601.47,603.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: That is sixteen. Then you would go into a trade school if you wanted or just start working. I went on for another couple of years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=603.22,613.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then when I was eighteen, I thought, Okay, I really need to find out if I am actually lesbian because even though I had all these strong emotions and love-ships and so on, I hadn't really been in a relationship, and certainly hadn't been sexual. My friend was already out in the world. I called her up and I said, \"Okay, you need to take me to a lesbian bar so we can actually see if this is really true.\" Of course, as they say, the rest is history. Right? Never looked back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=614.73,650.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What city was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=650.73,652.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: That was in Sydney.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=652.18,652.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Sydney.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=652.95,653.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Yeah. Red Ruby’s was one of the— at that point in time, of course, gay rights. I mean, there were lots of bars and lots of opportunities to come together and meet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=653.5,665.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Was it a lesbian bar or a gays bar?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=665.75,670.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: No. It was a lesbian bar.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=670.08,670.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What did it look like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=670.72,671.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: You just had a door in the wall kind of thing with steep stairs going up. There was a dance floor in the middle. There was one bar up this end, and then tables and chairs, and then another bar down the other end. It was really funny because in those days, people really divided themselves into different factions. You had the lipstick lesbians. You had the diesel dykes. You had the soft dykes. You had the gold-star dykes who had never slept with men before. Then you had the bar dykes and the political dykes. You had to choose. It was really very restricting, but that's how it was in the ‘70s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=673.66,721.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Everybody, depending on where you were, Ruby's, that's where you sort of situated yourself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=721.0,726.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Where were you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=726.85,728.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: I was in soft dyke, political dykes. That's where I sort of fell into.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=728.95,737.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That seemed to be more comfortable, but there was a lot of pressure to be more one or the other.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=738.03,743.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What year was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=747.49,748.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: That was in 1976.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=748.74,751.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So did you find a girlfriend there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=752.51,759.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Yes, I did. I did. I found a girlfriend there and we lived together— Actually, I was still living at home because being a good Italian, family, girls don't leave home unless they get married. That was quite a traumatic event when I left home. My Dad was in tears. I was in tears. That was really hard. But yes, I met my first live-in girlfriend and moved in with her into a cooperative household.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=759.74,795.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's how mostly I lived with people, were in a cooperative household. Some mixed, and some later on more separatists, women only. Then I started working. I had graduated from college and I started working at a halfway house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=795.54,814.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What did you study in college?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=815.11,816.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Social Work. Yes, a halfway house for women and young girls who came out of correctional institutions. I was the social worker there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=816.8,827.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It had just opened up. The woman who was the director was at that point in time the longest serving female prisoner in Australian history. I was working for her, which was quite interesting. I was there and then I started working and obviously became very political as well as lesbian rights and women's rights.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=828.21,858.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you remember the name of the place you worked?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=858.23,861.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Guthrie House.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=861.91,862.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Guthrie House. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=862.76,863.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Yeah. Guthrie House. Then, of course, just becoming more politically aware about women who come out and institutions and the services and the resources that they need to be able to transition their life. All of the age of twenty-two, I woke up. I hit the ground.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=863.15,885.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They taught me a lot, which was great. Then afterwards, I studied some Swedish massage because I thought it's a good skill to have to mixing with social work. I thought those two things could really blend nicely together. Then I started working at Every Woman's Health Center, which is the oldest women's health center in Australia, Sydney, Australia. It opened up in the ‘70s. That point in time, it was providing abortions. 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We definitely had an equivalent right to life group in Australia. It was not as vicious or as extreme as it is here. But many times, they would be at the front of the building and they would be protesting and screaming. We would have to accompany women through. Politically, Australia was socialist. So it was in line with providing services for people that needed them. So that was not an issue but the religious right was definitely very difficult. It was interesting because when we moved, we moved into an Italian neighborhood. We thought, Oh, I'm sure we're going to get a lot of pushback from the Italians being Catholic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=942.49,992.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Actually, the women were really supportive. Every time the right to lifers were out the front protesting, they would come out and they would get the hoses and they'd hose down their front yard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=992.66,1003.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Accidentally hose them. It was great. It was so unexpected. But anyway, that was an incredible time to sort of be in my early twenties and experiencing— it was a collective. We did everything from receiving women intake to accompanying them for the conversation with the doctor through surgery and then recovery.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1004.03,1036.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Also doing books and finances and all that sort of thing. So every one of us actually got to do the whole piece, except, of course, the medical procedures. We weren't skillful, but we had nurses. We did have a male doctor as well as a female doctor. 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That's basically a lot of what I did before I got to Eugene.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1062.12,1089.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What brought you to Eugene? What did you know of Eugene before you came here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1089.11,1093.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Well, funny, I never really wanted to come to the U.S. It always seemed like a country that politically, it was just not in step with who I was or where I wanted to be. I was at a women's healing magical weekend. There was a woman there from Eugene, Oregon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1093.55,1116.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She had been living in Sydney for the last four years and was moving back to Oregon. I had met her like three or four months before she was moving back here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1116.73,1127.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Who was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1128.74,1129.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Lynn Marx. We kind of got together, had this mad, we thought, affair at that point in time. Just like, \"You're going back. Oh, sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1129.85,1141.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is good.\" We'll just have a short thing which women seem to not be able to do anyway in those days. So she came back and I thought, Well, I'll come and visit and just sort of see. Funnily enough, at that point in time, I had mentioned it to a couple of people, friends and they’d heard of Eugene. They said, \"Oh, yeah, Eugene. Lesbian Mecca. You go. It's a great place. Lesbians everywhere. It will be fun.\" I thought, Oh, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1141.33,1175.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I followed probably about three months later and really liked it. I was sick of living in the big city. Things had gotten to a point where I was open to some change, and this just sort of fell into my lap. I came over three months later. 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I was quite surprised when I got here that because I was so involved in International Women's Day in Sydney, I'd always participate for many, many years, there wasn't any celebration here. Well, not in the community itself. There may have been at the university. I wasn't connected to the university, but it was like. “It's International Women's Day. Why isn't anything happening?” So I then just got a bee in my brain and I thought, \"Okay, I have to do something here.\" I joined NOW the National Organization of Women, of which at the time I think there was just me and one other person. It was pretty small, limping along.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1203.98,1253.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: That was the Eugene chapter?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1253.24,1255.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Eugene chapter. Yes. I'd also at that same point in time joined Soromundi Lesbian Chorus of Eugene at its inception. We were meeting in people's backyards and living rooms and things like that at that point. I wanted to ground myself in Eugene and I thought I need to create a community for myself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1255.32,1275.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was your first impression of the lesbian community in Eugene?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1275.73,1278.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: I thought we were everywhere. It was just like everywhere I looked, it looked like, \"She's a lesbian. She's a lesbian. This and that.\" Then I realized that part of that is the outdoorsy feel of Eugene, and not really every woman I came across was a lesbian. I was like, \"Oh, okay.\" There were things happening, moving as far as the choir. That really sort of hooked me into a lot of different networks. I felt like it was—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1278.52,1314.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: If we could just backtrack for a second, what did you think of the City of Eugene itself? 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I was not really interested.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1333.06,1383.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How old were you when you came to Eugene?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1384.81,1387.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Thirty-two. Early thirties. I noticed the lack of color. I really missed the racial void here and all the different languages. I mean, it seemed like no one was speaking Italian, of course. No one was speaking Chinese or Spanish or— it was very white and kind of bland. But again, at that point in time, I was really involved just finding my footing here with the lesbian community. That sort of kept me quite busy and exploring. But I was happy to be here, happy that I could walk wherever I wanted to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1388.22,1436.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Where were you living?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1436.71,1438.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Actually, pretty close to where I'm living now. Hayes and Nineteenth. Just a little west of town.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1439.94,1447.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Were there other lesbians in your neighborhood or how did you find yourself there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1447.6,1451.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: I think there was one other lesbian in the actual same street. No one else really close by. Everybody— it felt accepting. The neighbors were fine. I didn't really seem to have any issues at all at that point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1451.21,1473.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What did you do for work when you got here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1473.72,1477.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Well, what we did was we set up a business called Embrace Conflict. In Australia at that point in time, there was a whole movement about non-confrontational communication. There was a whole curriculum for it, which my ex-partner then had studied and wanted to bring back to Eugene. What we did was we set up kind of like a little nonprofit where we will do seminars for different groups. Under that sort of umbrella, we also, because she was such an outdoor person, we did hiking trips and skiing trips for women.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1479.96,1524.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Women-only hiking and skiing trips where we would teach women how to survive in the back country and map and compass skills and that type of thing. That was very fun. Once we kind of piecemealed it together basically, and then we got involved with the National Coalition Building Institute, which is headed in D.C.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1524.82,1552.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But it has many chapters throughout the country, and it focuses mainly on diversity, conflict.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1552.22,1557.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So it was just sort of a natural progression that we would move into that area because of interest as well. Then we did a lot of diversity trainings and train-the-trainer-trainings throughout the state. We’d go back to D.C. every year or so and get another shot and come back and try and do some more work here in Eugene. I really enjoyed doing that. It prospered for a number of years, actually.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1557.62,1592.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Even after we separated, I continued to working with this fellow that I had met who was from Eugene but met him in Seattle, actually. We continued the work. Telling his story from a white male perspective and me from a lesbian immigrant. It was very cool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1593.21,1619.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Did you seek out any other people from Australia or Italy when you were in Eugene?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1619.75,1625.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Yes, I did. But I couldn't find anyone. Not to more recently, and this is where I get my Italian is I go to Beppe \u0026 Gianni and I talk with him in Italian every time I go. That's about it. There's no one else.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1627.08,1644.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And that's a restaurant in Eugene.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1644.95,1645.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Yes, it's a restaurant in Eugene. Yes. We get to speak five minutes at a time when I get there and that's it. But I was still talking to my family, calling them. I still do that now, call my family in Italy and I go and visit them when I can every two or three years. So I'm still able to get that Italian, but no, in Eugene, nothing. I know there are Australian folks here but I haven't connected with them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1645.55,1681.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was your experience at Soromundi like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1681.67,1685.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Wow. I loved it. At first, it was “We're all so happy to be together and singing and learning.” At that point, we were all just pulling it together because no one really knew how to bring it together. I mean, obviously Karm had some sense and had musical background. But it was a lot of fun. A lot of fun. It felt like creating my own family. I loved singing. We would have potlucks, of course. We would go away for weekends to select music and things like that. That was always a lot of fun. It was consensus decisions which, after a while, it’s like, \"I've had enough.\" After so many years of being politically active and then again, continuing to be, it just wore me down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1685.75,1754.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mean, it was all good. I really appreciate being able to hear everybody's opinion and how they feel or think about a certain thing. But I think, to make decisions, it needs to come down to just a couple of people after everyone's been heard. It got a little bit laborious. I stopped going to some of the meetings that we would have, but still, I still have very close friends from that time. Then that was, well, twenty-five years ago.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1754.09,1792.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What were the audiences like? First, if you could explain where you performed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1793.72,1801.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Oh my. We performed in many different places. In churches, for people's weddings, women's— at that point in time, obviously, it wasn't legal. So, their own domestic partnerships. We performed at rallies, International Women's Day. When I created International Women's Day, Soromundi would perform. Then I did three or four years in a row. We would always have Soromundi sing either on the mall or at Wheeler Pavilion. Wow. Willamette AIDS Council fundraisers and Harvey Milk fundraisers, NARAL. I mean, really, whoever wanted us, we would perform for. It was great. We were always so well accepted. It was always pretty much a wonderful experience for, I think, both audience and us. At that point in time, there was only maybe twenty-five, thirty of us. It's not as big as it is now. It was a lot more intimate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1802.38,1886.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. How many members are there now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1886.78,1889.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: I think there's sixty or seventy or so. I don't know if they all perform, but I think it's quite large.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1889.14,1898.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So you were here for Measure 9.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1898.7,1903.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Yes. And Measure 13.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1903.66,1906.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And Measure 13. Can you tell us something about your experience going through that in Eugene?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1907.1,1911.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: That was a really difficult time. This group, Oregon Citizens Alliance sort of just popped up and started to dictate how we should live our lives or not live our lives. Even though it brought the community together, the lesbian community together and the gay community together, it really separated us from the straight community and allies as well as foes because we were so untrusting. We didn't know who we could trust and who we couldn't trust. The pressure from Oregon Citizens Alliance was so great that— I mean, I got to the point I would not go into Springfield. I did not feel comfortable walking around in Springfield by myself or with others. Still takes me a little while now to feel comfortable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1914.0,1986.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Can you explain what that looked like in Springfield? What were the overt expressions of homophobia in Springfield?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1986.84,1998.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Well, I mean, just people being attacked on the streets, yelled at, having things thrown at you. I mean, even now, actually, probably two months ago now that we're with the Trump administration.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=1998.68,2019.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Two months ago, I was standing outside of the WOW Hall in Eugene with a friend just talking to her. We had just finished working out. We were standing there talking and this fellow in a truck drives by and goes, \"Bloody dykes!\" It was so shocking to me because firstly, we're in Eugene. I didn't expect it. Then secondly, it's like, \"Oh, yes, reality. Here we are. This is what's going on in this time.\" Whereas in Measure 9 and 13, I expected that. I expected to walk down the street and somebody to scream something at me or throw something at me. It was just, I felt, very unsafe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2020.24,2066.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: When you say it brought the lesbian community together, can you remember how that was or in what way it brought the community together?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2066.16,2074.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Well, I think a lot in just community organizing, how we're going to fight against this. What are we going to do? There was a lot of support around the women's health clinic, making sure that women were safe coming and going there because that was sort of seemed to be a target as well. The gay clubs or what there was at that point in time, just making sure that people weren't walking by themselves, leaving anywhere by themselves. Making sure that there was always a certain number together, keeping women safe at that point. The whole AIDS piece was also at that point in time. I remember with Soromundi, we would go and sing at people's death beds. That was incredibly wonderful and painful at the same time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2074.46,2137.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was so much within ourselves that was suffering that we had to deal with. Just to have to deal with this external force coming towards us. It was really difficult piece. I think the women as well as the gay men just got together and just support each other, as well as being active and getting ads in newspapers and things like that and getting people activated to vote against the measure. I think we did a lot of our own counseling and just being together and just supporting each other and just trying to move forward and move through it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2142.73,2193.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you feel that people were suffering psychologically or physically under that kind of pressure?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2193.49,2199.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: I think both. Yes, definitely. Oh, yeah, because it was just constant.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2199.36,2205.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We would defeat one measure and then another one would come up. It just kept going. It didn't seem like there was any relief. Then straight allies started coming out. We were gathering more and more momentum in a larger community, which is what we needed to do to really break through this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2205.7,2228.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: At any point, did you think about preparing to leave Oregon if the Measure 9, particularly, passed?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2229.81,2241.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: I had thought about leaving. Yes. For other reasons, but I had at one point— Yes, it was all just sort of building up. I thought, \"Okay, I can just leave.\" But I didn't. I'd been here five or six years. I'd already sort of set my roots here. I had a community. It just didn't feel the right thing to do at that point in time. So, now, if Trump gets reelected, then maybe I'll seriously think about it. But yeah, at that point, we were a team. We were a solid force. I couldn't have left in the middle of the fight.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2241.72,2296.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So what did you do in the mid to late ‘90s?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2298.4,2301.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Mid to late ‘90s. Okay, all right. I started working at the City of Eugene actually in 1993 and retired from there in 2016. I was there for a long time, more than I had ever thought I would be. I started working there on the Energy Assistance Plan, so helping low income folks with their energy bills.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2302.27,2336.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So was that your social work skills that got you that job?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2337.53,2340.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Yes, it was a temporary job. But yes, it was my— so I was drawn to it because of my background. Again, working with working class people. That's where I started. Then I actually got a permanent job in recreation. Working with people with disabilities and seniors.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2341.5,2362.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Again, I could use my social work skills in that setting as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2362.87,2366.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then I got bounced around just because of ballot measures and so on in Eugene. But all the way through, I joined the union very early on, AFSCME. Okay. Do you want me to spill that out?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2368.77,2385.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yeah. What is that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2385.45,2385.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Okay. Let me see if I remember. American Federal State and County Municipal Employees. I joined AFSCME but I was actually quite involved. I became a steward. Then I became vice president. I bargained two of the contracts for us, the workers. That was a really rich time for me. I was able to put my political leanings into working for a government agency, which I'd never done before. I'd only worked in nonprofits or collectives. It was my way of kind of balancing the bureaucracy that I needed to deal with. I found different— one of the positive things about working in a bureaucracy is that I could move around. I did move around to different departments. I was part of the diversity group for public works. We would put together different activities.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2386.84,2456.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We actually did a photo exhibit just like CALC has years ago with photos and people's interests. We would display that and lots of different things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2457.39,2471.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was the theme of the photo exhibit?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2471.2,2474.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: It was called “We Are Your Coworkers.” So, just to get to know who it is that sort of cleans your streets, or who it is that picks up the leaves or who it is that sits behind a desk in the computer department. We asked certain people if they would be willing, and we got a nice cross section actually of race as well as economic backgrounds. We would have a photo of them and just basically something about themselves. It was really well received. That was one of the many things that we did. I was on the joint labor and management team trying to think of, on a larger level, on how we can improve relations between labor and management. I was always out. I did not ever feel it was necessary to hide who I was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2474.52,2541.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you ever get any negative response to that identity?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2541.33,2546.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: No. Not that I can think of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2546.6,2555.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: I know you can't compare Eugene city bureaucracy with other cities. But what was your impression of Eugene as a city, the bureaucracy that makes the city work?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2555.11,2568.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: I thought the city did a lot of really good things. I thought it went out of its way, excuse me, to get feedback and to hear what people had to say and ideas. I think they did that process very well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2568.36,2585.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Whether they followed through on that or not is— sometimes was a different matter. But I think they seem to involve a lot of the community into decision making. The bureaucracy itself, I guess to some extent, it depended on who the city manager was at that point in time as to how it functioned better or not. At that point in time when I started with the city, it seemed more of a family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2586.74,2624.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It seemed people had been there for a number of years. It was much more relaxed. People were really genuinely happy to be at work and doing what they were doing and connecting with others. That changed. As the years went on, it became a lot tighter. Personalities changed. People left, of course. Things change. City managers change. Then they drove the ship in a different direction. 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The negotiations were really antagonistic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2671.43,2683.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Excuse me. What were your impressions of the mayors of Eugene when you were working in city government?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2686.5,2693.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Well, some better than others. It's an interesting setup because as workers, you respond to the city manager, but the city manager responds to the mayor and the council. Sometimes, they're at odds with each other. It just really depended on who was heading it up. I mean, I think we had some good mayors and some that weren't so good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2694.81,2732.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you think growing up in a socialist country informed your understanding of labor in the United States?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2733.53,2739.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Oh, yeah. Totally. Totally. That was one of the things that I was so frustrated here, was the political situation. That's why I wanted to become a citizen as soon as I could so I could vote because it was really hard not to be able to vote. The politics in this country is really— even when the democrats are in power, it's just so foreign to me. For a country that has all this wealth, that we can't treat our people better than we do. Still, it doesn't matter if it's democrats or— I mean, it's better. But still, it just is shocking to me that we don't have healthcare. It's shocking to me that people are on the streets living on the streets. For the power and money that's here, it's just the priorities are very skewed. Yes. So, definitely being from the socialist country.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2740.1,2805.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now, Australia is going through its own right wing backlash now, too. I think it's a global movement that's happening now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2805.42,2813.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Going back to the lesbian community, do you remember conflicts within the community or differences or struggles?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2815.28,2825.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Well, I mean, besides personal struggles, there were conflicts. I mean, Soromundi went through major split very early on. I think that really destabilize the whole community because I think Soromundi was sort of this pinnacle that brought people together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2827.07,2859.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was a place where you could feel safe and feel good. After the first five years, there was a rupture.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2859.61,2868.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you remember what it was about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2868.81,2871.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: I don't clearly remember what it was about, but I'm sure if you interview some of the folks from Soromundi, you'll get more of an idea. So there was a rupture. There was a lot of people that left.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2873.51,2886.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was a break for a while, and then it sort of started to rebuild itself in a different way. That was the only major, I think, break that I remember of conflict in the community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2886.27,2907.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was the attitudes about sexuality in the community?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2909.16,2912.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Well, I think it was pretty restrictive. As I said, you get into a relationship and you're staying there, your relationship. Then there was this kind of like serial monogamy that kind of happened. It's like you're interested in somebody else, but you're in this relationship. So you start to sort of stray this way and then you break that relationship, get into another one and then continue on down the path. That seemed to be a typical way that lesbians that I knew, handled that piece. I found that restrictive. That's why I use that word.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2912.06,2959.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What would be your vision of it if it were not restrictive?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2959.54,2962.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Well, I think just talking about sexuality in that attractions happen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2963.86,2975.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Does it mean that you need to break this relationship to go there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2976.98,2980.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do you want to go there? Just having more openness, I think, about it. I think with more open communication, I think I could have— Things may have still changed or they may not have, but I think that broke a lot of groups of women that were together because all of a sudden, you're all one— We used to have a dinner club that we would rotate once a month. There were three couples once a month. We'd go to one of the couple's house and they would make dinner. Then the next month, we'd go somewhere. We'd sort of rotate around.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=2980.07,3022.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, in the end, none of those couples are together anymore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3022.78,3026.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Things happen, but I think if there would be more communication, and I don't think they even see each other or we don't see each other as— but if it was just, okay, this is something that happens.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3026.9,3047.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"More communication, more openness, then I think we would still remain connected in some way whether—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3048.9,3055.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you experience judgment in the community about who's a good lesbian or what it means to be a good lesbian or what it means to be part of this community?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3055.0,3064.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Oh, yeah. Right. You're right. I mean, I think so. I think if the more active one was, or the more connected into— there’s a separation again. Those that would go to the bar and supposedly drink or so and so forth as opposed to those that were more politically active. It still was the same thing. It still happened here as well. There was sort of this internalized homophobia that, well, you're obviously not as valued as much as I am because you're out drinking every night and I'm doing all this good work here. I think that did exist. I think that's a little less now. I'm not really sure. I'm not really connected so much to the larger lesbian community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3065.06,3115.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Why do you think that is?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3116.33,3117.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Well, that's interesting because I thought about that after we met. I think what happens with assimilation is you become disconnected.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3118.42,3132.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because when I grew up being Italian in Australia, it took a long time for us to be accepted. Tolerated, accepted, and then we assimilated. Before those three steps, we were the only family in the neighborhood that were Italian. When Italians would come from Italy, we would be the ambassadors. We would tell them where the resources were just to make them feel a little bit more at home. We would get to visit with them. That's how we would have our socializing as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3133.43,3168.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The area would build up with more Italians and more Italians.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3172.6,3175.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then you have an Italian neighborhood. You'd have a Greek neighborhood, Chinese neighborhood, etc. Then as people become more accepting, and people are out in the world more, they're stepping out, they're working and so on, they move away. They get assimilated into the greater community. Well, that's the same thing with lesbians and the gay transgender movement. Well, not for transgender at this point. But what happened was we isolated ourselves and we're isolated because of who we were that we built this community really strong. We moved around in groups and we lived close by.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3175.47,3217.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As we become more accepted and assimilated, we all move into the larger culture. Therefore, we no longer have that nucleus. When we came together for the orientation session for this project, I sat in that room and there were women that I hadn't seen for like twenty years. It was like, \"Wow. Why is that?\" We still live in Eugene, which is a tiny town. Then I started thinking, Oh, this is what happens when you become part of the larger community. You live your life in the larger community and not so much in the lesbian community. We can see it. I saw it with all different ethnic groups in Australia and we'll see it now. The trans folks now are just starting to fight the fight as we all are. Then in a number of years, it will probably happen there as well. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3217.46,3282.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: You've been here in Eugene now for almost—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3282.09,3286.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Thirty years next year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3286.44,3287.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Thirty years. So, I'm wondering if— well, let me backtrack for a second. We've heard that Eugene had the largest per capita population of lesbians than any other city in the United States.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3287.73,3304.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then it was eclipsed by another city. But have you thought about why that might have been? Why were there so many lesbians in Eugene? Why was there such a big lesbian community in Eugene?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3305.17,3317.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: I have no idea. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, maybe it was part of the women's land in Southern Oregon. Women wanting to break away again from the establishment and wanted to come out west and set up their own community and their own oasis, I guess.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3317.85,3350.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Maybe because of that, it just started to grow. I don't know specifically why Eugene, but maybe that was part of the beginning.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3351.01,3362.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: We've also heard some people suggest that maybe it was because Eugene already had a reputation for being counter-culture. But then there's the question, why was Eugene counter-culture?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3362.99,3378.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Uh-huh [affirmative].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3379.12,3380.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: That it was affordable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3381.22,3382.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Affordable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3383.46,3384.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Yeah. That could be. Right. It was not a big city like Portland. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3384.64,3390.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's more affordable. That's true.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3390.36,3391.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was your feelings about or your continued feelings about the marriage equality movement?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3391.8,3401.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Great. I think that really coalesced the struggle for gay and lesbian folks because I think a lot of straight people, heterosexuals, could see. That was like, \"Well, that doesn't make any sense that you can't marry who you love.\" I mean, I think that really pushed us into being accepted into the wider community. I think it's wonderful. I remember people lining up to get marriage licenses and things like that. It was very exciting. It was very exciting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3401.5,3454.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you think that has had an effect on the community?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3454.99,3457.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Yeah, I definitely do. Being able to adopt children and have children ourselves. Again, these are all pieces of, I think, assimilation. It's like, \"Yeah. We're just a family just like you are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3458.43,3473.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We want the same things.” I think as we show ourselves, the more we show ourselves, the more I think people fall in love with us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3473.98,3483.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anyone that shows themselves, you will fall in love with really. So yes, I think that was just another piece that really cemented the relationship with like-minded folk.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3485.01,3497.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So you're retired now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3497.54,3501.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: I am.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3501.42,3502.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What is that like for you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3502.25,3504.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Blissful. It's great. I get to create my life the way I want to have it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3505.1,3515.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That means deciding what that is. I still think I'm in transition. It's been a year and a half. I'm still deciding, what am I going to do for the next thirty years of my life? I didn't want to rush into volunteering for this, that, and the other because then I would just fill my time up again, and I'd be in the same situation, similar situation. So I've really been just taking time and just sort of transitioning and being— just following a path that seems natural to me at this point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3516.86,3554.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I've been doing a lot of things that interest me, dancing, and Tai Chi, and walking. I love to walk. I've traveled quite a bit just because I have family in Australia and Italy, so it's easy. But I've just done a couple of the Camino de Santiago hikes. Last year, I did a 200-mile trek in Spain. This year, I did a 200-mile trek in Portugal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3558.33,3585.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's a great way to see a country and meet the people. It's just to be walking through, met amazing amount of wonderful people, both that are also so-called pilgrims and people that live there. I'm just trying to find where that spark is going to take me for the next twenty-five years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3586.76,3611.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you see any specific challenges or benefits to aging as a lesbian?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3611.87,3618.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Yes. I think as lesbians, and this is a generalization. Well, for myself, I think we're much more active than possibly our heterosexual allies. That could be that maybe not all of us had children. That could be a piece of it. I think we're much more in tuned— These are all sort of generalizations but more in tuned with our physical and emotional health. I think generally, I think we're aging more gracefully. But there is definitely a concern. It's like, \"Well, what is going to happen? There are no retirement homes for lesbians or gay men or trans.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3621.12,3679.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: That we know of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3679.23,3679.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: That we know of. Well, not here. Right. That seems like the next natural step. I know there's been a lot of talk about that. There's been talk about community housing projects where everyone has their own house, but it's the community. So you're still connected in one sense or the other.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3680.08,3700.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: But how is that going to happen?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3700.86,3702.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Yeah, right. Yes. We need—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3702.88,3707.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Your organizational skills.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3707.69,3709.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: There we go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3709.59,3712.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And there goes your retirement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3712.1,3712.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: —people with money. Right. Exactly. Exactly. Yes. I mean, we need people that will invest financially because that's going to be a big piece of it. Yes, come together and it will obviously be a collective.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3712.34,3726.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We'll have to decide consensus. That's a concern because— I think by the time we get to that point where we need these services, I think some of the ones that exist now will be inclusive, and we'll be able to live there fine, but it won't have the same focus. Maybe comfortability or safety. Just really depends, but yeah, that's definitely a project for the future or project for now as we're aging.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3726.8,3765.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Because we're interviewing people who are fifteen years older than you who are saying, \"What are we going to do?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3765.28,3769.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Right. Yeah. It's true.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3769.7,3773.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: When you look back at these thirty years in Eugene, what would you say is your greatest joy?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3773.35,3780.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Wow, my greatest joy. I think learning to be an outdoors person, I guess. I was living in the city, so I didn’t hardly do anything like hiking or skiing or anything like that. But in Eugene, it lends itself to all that. I think feeling more grounded in myself the more that I am outdoors. It could be just walking from here to there. But just being in nature, I think, has really grounded me so much more. I think that's probably one of the overall— I feel, again, safe. I can walk down the street here in Eugene and know that there's community that will support me. I think that's also— being recognized. You can say like, \"Oh, hey. Hi.\" I like that small town feeling even though it's growing pretty quickly, but I think that's definitely a joy. Camaraderie.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3780.88,3864.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Is there anything we haven't asked you about that you want to tell us?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3864.36,3869.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: I don't think so. Nope.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3869.29,3874.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So then I would ask you if you imagine this video being watched by a young, queer person what you might tell them given all your experiences of your life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3875.67,3889.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Wow. Just be true to who you are, really. We spend so much time pleasing others or holding ourselves to some standard that other people or maybe ourselves have put on us that we struggle. I think being really comfortable in your own skin, I think, is the gem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3890.0,3927.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Thank you very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3927.91,3929.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Thank you so much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3932.0,3932.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pupilli: Okay. Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3932.97,3933.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: It was really nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3933.63,3934.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[END OF INTERVIEW]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375#t=3935.82,3935.93"}]},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56176/file/130375/transcript/92607/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/607/original/849_Coll520_do046_aligned.vtt?1776852372","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/607/original/849_Coll520_do046_aligned.vtt?1776852372"}]}]}]}