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In 1967, she went to Cornell University as a freshman. In college, she experienced sex, drugs, and politics. During her third year in college, she dropped out and went to San Francisco. Jain's boyfriend Russell joined her there. In San Francisco, her neighbors were Tom and Margaret Cormier. In the Bay Area, Jain did a variety of jobs to support herself. Tom and Margaret moved north, and stayed in Eugene, where they started Starflower Natural Foods \u0026amp; Botanicals with Charlie and Debbie Glass. Jain moved to Eugene and started working at Starflower. She describes working there and the nature of the cooperative. Later, she completed a degree in education at the University of Oregon. She also discusses personal relationships and her work at the Oregon Country Fair.\n\nKey terms: Baleboostehs; Collectives; Cooperatives; Cornell University; Cormier, Margaret; Cormier, Thomas; Drug use; Glass, Debbie; Glass, Charlie; Heterosexuality; Organic food; Parenting."]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Jain Elliott (Interviewee)","Judith L. Raiskin (Interviewer)","Linda Long (Interviewer)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["In Copyright"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["https://scua.uoregon.edu/repositories/2/archival_objects/606999"]}},{"label":{"en":["Type"]},"value":{"en":["Moving Image"]}}],"summary":{"en":["The Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project Collection consists of interviews of 83 people for the Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project, conducted by Professor Judith Raiskin and Curator Linda Long at the University of Oregon starting in the summer of 2018."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["In Copyright"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/029/original/uo-logo-hires.png?1580744881","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/130/608/small/Coll520_do067.jpg?1637589683","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - Coll520_do067.mp4"]},"duration":7473.00267,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/130/608/small/Coll520_do067.jpg?1637589683","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-universityoforegonlibraries.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/130/608/original/Coll520_do067.mp4?1637589683","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":7473.00267,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["870_Coll520_do067_aligned [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: This oral history interview is part of the Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project. The recordings will be made available through the University of Oregon Special Collections and University Archives.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=3.06,15.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is an oral history interview with Jain Elliott on July 30, 2019, taking place in the University of Oregon Libraries’ recording studio in the Center for Media and Educational Technologies. The interviewers are Linda Long, Curator of Manuscripts in the UO Libraries’ Special Collections and University Archives and Professor Judith Raiskin of the UO Department of Women's, Gender and Sexuality Studies. Jain, please let us know if you agree to be recorded for this project and that you give your permission for the university to preserve and make available your recorded and transcribed interview.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=16.26,52.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Yes, that's okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=52.84,53.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Great. Thank you. Why don't we begin with a basic question. Can you please tell us where you were born and when you were born, where you grew up in something about your early background.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=53.98,64.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Okay. I was born in 1949 in Brooklyn, New York, and I grew up on Long Island, where I lived with my mom and dad and my two younger sisters. I had a best friend from when I was three until she moved away when I was in third grade. And I was extremely heartbroken at that time. Corresponded with her through high school, lost touch, reconnected through Facebook a few years ago.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=64.98,111.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She's extremely an conservative grandmother in Arizona, but of course I still love her. The way I remember it is that I was bossy and my younger sister Betty was kind and sweet and popular and beautiful. And when she had a teacher who had been my teacher, she would report that the teachers that, \"You're not like your sister, are you?\" And then my other memory is that I was much closer to my dad than to my mom.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=114.38,160.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then high school was a lot more fun for me after I connected with some older juvenile delinquents in the next town who had interesting political and cultural and musical ideas. And I started smoking marijuana and just mellowed out altogether and was friendlier to everybody. And then I got to go to Cornell through an experiment that they were having with accepting people who did not have such fabulous grades but who had high scores and recommendations from their teachers. And they were, I'm sure, sorry later because it was all sex and drugs and politics for me. I thought I had died and gone to heaven. I had never been so surrounded by people who were smarter than me and who thought my being smart was not a handicap, was an interesting thing. I just thought it was so great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=161.65,233.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What year was that you went to college?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=233.89,236.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Sixty-seven.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=236.51,237.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And how old were you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=237.49,238.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: I was eighteen and I stayed there three years. And during that time I began to have some inklings of feminist theory and just felt horribly, horribly guilty that I thought it was all— because my dad had an interesting career and was an interesting person, I liked him better. And because my mom stayed home and drank and played bridge, she was boring and I didn't like her as much and I just thought that was so unfair. But that was how I felt. And after my third year in Ithaca, I came to San Francisco just for the summer and I never went back. I just thought it was so, so great. And my—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=238.72,299.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How did you get to San Francisco and who did you go with?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=299.1,302.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: I hitchhiked. Actually no, I got a ride from a ride board as far as Denver. And I hitchhiked from there and the ride I got was [in] a Volkswagen that picked up four of us. The other three I didn't know and they were guys. So I got the seat and they had to crouch in the back where the seats had been removed. And as we came over the Donner pass at dawn, the driver woke us all up and said, “This is it. We're in California now” and I start crying, \"Oh California, this so great.\" And he left us in Sacramento. And I hitchhiked from there into the city and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=303.63,342.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Can I interrupt and ask you, why did you want to go to San Francisco?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=345.02,348.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Well, I had heard that the streets were paved with hashish and there was a rock and roll band at every corner. That was the center of my cultural world. I thought that was where it was all going to be. And shortly after that, I had had a boyfriend in Ithaca who had just graduated and I had moved him into my room at the co-op, or the plan was that he was going to move into my room at the co-op that I had lived in and try and get a band together. But just before that his parents arrived and said, \"We've found out about the drugs and everything, we're going to get you some residential treatment.\" And he took his guitars and went down the back stairs and got on a bus and came out to San Francisco to join me, which, I hadn't planned on settling down, but he couldn't— Anyway, so we got an apartment. And the people who lived upstairs in the apartment— no, we lived upstairs. People that lived downstairs in this gorgeous Victorian in the Castro that, we had the top floor with seven bedrooms. Well, what hippies called bedrooms, which were parlors that were separated by sliding doors and downstairs lived some people that I made friends with right away. You could look through the window and see that they were smoking dope. So I knocked on the door and said, “So how's the landlady? We’re going to be renting upstairs.” And then he had been a classical radio announcer back in his hometown in the summer. So, he managed to get a job at a classical radio station that was so poor that they didn't have a studio in town. They had a little studio at the base of their transmitter on Mount Tamalpais.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=349.26,473.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He needed a car to get up there. So my mom loaned us $600 and we bought a used Volkswagen and he drove up there every day, but the car kept getting stolen and then we'd find it a few blocks away.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=473.96,488.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We needed to get car insurance. We had had the idea that in California you didn't need car insurance but now we were going to get car insurance. It was very expensive to get car insurance for an unmarried male under twenty-five so we decided we'd get married. So I wrote away to an ad in the back of Rolling Stone and got ordained as a minister of the Universal Life Church. And at that time we had been joined by my high school buddy Billy Keim and I ordained him and he was the officiating clergy person and we went downstairs and got the folks from downstairs to come up and be witnesses.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=488.84,523.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Margaret kept saying, “Are you sure you want to do this?” And I said, “Sign here lady.” And we got married and then I started spending more and more time with Tom and Margaret from downstairs. And let's see, Tom and Margaret decided that they were really not heterosexuals and Margaret and I worked downtown and she took a class on how to fix her car. And Suzanne Shanbaum, I don't know if you remember her—Berkeley Women’s Music Collective, was teaching that class and they fell in love and that was so sweet. And then they just decided, let's see, they moved to Oakland and— no, no. Tom moved out for a while and he was living in a sort of SRO and across the hall from him was a gal named Cheryl who he got to be close friends with. And then Cheryl and her boyfriend and Tom and Margaret moved to Oakland.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=524.94,597.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then Cheryl and I started working at the new San Francisco Women's Switchboard and that was really fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=598.56,609.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=609.85,610.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Well, it was a switchboard. People would call up and we would answer the phone and they'd say, “What are some resources that— I need a counselor— I need to move out— I need a job— I need just to talk to somebody— “ It was great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=610.15,625.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: So what, can you remind us again what year it was that you moved to San Francisco?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=625.99,630.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Certainly. 1971. The year that I should have graduated from Cornell, instead I moved there. So we got married, we both worked downtown.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=631.08,648.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How many people worked at the switchboard?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=649.08,650.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Oh, there were lots of us. But we got a grant to update the files.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=650.74,654.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that was me and a gal named Laurie, and she did all the counselors and I did everything else because at that time I felt very strongly that, why should anybody make money out of— I mean we should be talking to the gals in our CR group. I mean that was just a strange thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=654.55,670.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: CR, consciousness-raising?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=670.88,672.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Consciousness-raising, Uh-huh [affirmative].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=672.46,673.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: OK. By any chance was Tee Corinne there at that time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=673.72,680.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Probably, but I didn't, I—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=680.78,682.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Because she worked on a switchboard too, but I think it was a sex education switchboard. So maybe a different switchboard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=683.87,691.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Maybe so, I didn't remember her. And if she had been there when I updated the files, I probably would've remembered her. But while I was updating the files, there were so many— I made money in focus groups. Advertisers would want five housewives to come in and talk about salsa and I would be one of them and the next four women who called and wanted a job, off we'd go. It was a fat, fat time. I had had a job, I worked in the back office of a stock brokerage and Margaret worked at Crocker Bank.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=691.76,731.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We would have lunch together every day. And then the stock brokerage went out of business. This was after they moved. And everybody else was applying for a job at another stock brokerage.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=731.61,744.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so I went down there with them, ha, ha. Just for fun. And I got hired and it wasn't the same. They wouldn't let me come in early.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=745.37,752.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They wanted me to be more— play by their rules. And so I quit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=752.36,759.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that meant I couldn't get unemployment insurance. So I went into a little depression. I mean I was very unhappy and a friend of a friend from back in New York took me down to her pottery studio around the corner, just like they say— people who are having mental problems if you make pots, it really, really helps. And I made pots and made pots and made pots and I sold pots and I got all these little jobs through the switchboard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=759.48,793.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So many jobs through the switchboard. The first Monday of every month I went down and did the books for somebody. I had all these part-time jobs. Laurie, the gal who updated the counselors, got us a job painting some large co-op, nonprofit institution.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=793.3,818.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Russell was still at the radio station. Actually, no. At that point Russell was not, yeah, no he wasn't. He stayed up all night playing his guitar and then he'd go work the radio station.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=818.55,836.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So did you find San Francisco affordable at the time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=837.27,840.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Easily. We had a seven-room flat and we had guests, some of them paid a little rent. One of the things I did was we were the home base of a food conspiracy and people would come and give us their money and their food stamps and we would put in our food stamps and take the money out and somebody would go shopping and get whatever was cheap and fresh and then people would come and pick it all up and we would trade. I baked bread every week and I would trade my bread for somebody else's butter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=841.59,880.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: A lot of bartering.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=881.0,883.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: It was just, it was so fat, so different. Skipping ahead many decades, I live with a young person now and it's heartbreaking to think of how easy it was for us and how hard it is for her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=884.1,898.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How long were you in San Francisco?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=900.24,902.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Well, Tom and Margaret moved to Eugene and they—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=902.52,907.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Can you tell us their last name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=907.31,909.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Cormier .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=909.83,912.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Cormier.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=912.67,912.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: And actually they were on their way to Bellingham and I kept saying, “Don’t go, don’t go.” And she kept saying, well, you know you came here but we're from here, we have to go somewhere. You can't always stay where you were from. And so they started to go to Bellingham but their car broke down in Chico and some friends from Eugene came and picked them up and they landed in Eugene.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=912.76,938.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Their friends were staying with Charlie and Debbie Glass who had, and I'm sure you've heard this whole story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=940.52,949.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Please tell us—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=949.64,950.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Not from your point of view.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=950.38,951.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: The way I remember it is possibly both of them, possibly only Debbie, was working for an herb company and Debbie drew some labels and said, “Aren't these beautiful labels? Wouldn't you like to use these labels?” And they said, “No, they're not such great labels.” And then she found out that they were using her labels and she sued them and got a little money. And then she and Charlie started a little herb company using her beautiful labels. They were fervent vegetarians, and in those days all cheese was curdled with rennet and they didn't want to get cheese curdled with rennet. So they got in touch with Rogue River Valley Creamery and they said, “Well yeah, we can make you a vat of cheese.” And they said, “Well, okay, we've got this herb distributorship, maybe we can distribute some cheese, I'll make some beautiful labels.” And when Tom and Margaret got there, that's what they were doing. And they had also grown a lot of marijuana the year before. So Tom and Margaret were always happy to smoke somebody else's marijuana and sit around and put labels on the herbs and labels on the cheese.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=951.67,1027.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Margaret, always happy to help somebody do something that they're doing and do it better. And after a while they were a little collective of the four of them and then two of their other friends.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1027.24,1040.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And during that time when I was working at the stock brokerage, one of Margaret's friends was the— there's no cell phones then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1040.95,1050.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long distance phones were incredibly expensive. But one of Margaret's friends worked at the branch office of my stock brokerage in Eugene, sometimes we would send messages back and forth that way and sometimes they would come and visit us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1051.15,1065.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And once we went to visit them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1066.14,1070.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I didn't drive at that point. Russell drove the whole way and I was like, \"Oh, this is so scary. Oh, the Siskiyous! Oh, please slow down!\" And he was like, eh. And we got there and I just thought it was the greatest— everybody doing everything together, they were sleeping with each other. There were adding machines everywhere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1070.94,1088.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Russell thought it was creepy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1088.58,1090.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then, I picked up a copy of Diet for a Small Planet and when we got back to Eugene, I said, “Russell, we're going to do just some different things now. We're going to be vegetarians. I'm going to be a vegetarian and I'm only going to cook every other night. And the other night that I don't cook, you can either cook or not.” And he argued for quite a while and then he said, “Okay” and that's what we did. And then when we had guests, we had tons of guests, we would cook the first two nights and then the guests were supposed to cook the third night and we would help them. It was fun. We were so ignorant. We went to the store and got a slab of tofu and we were trying to eat the tofu on a sandwich.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1092.19,1135.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: May I ask, can you describe when you were down in the Bay Area, living with Russell, tell us about the division of labor in your relationship or how your relationship worked because you're talking about your changing ideas about gender and you tell us more about your relationship.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1136.22,1160.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Well, after I brought this book in, we did cook every other night.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1160.77,1164.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He did do that. Let's see, we had one foam mattress in the— so we moved out of the huge place after a while. Then we moved into a smaller place that had only a bedroom and a living room and a kitchen. And there was a large foam mattress in the bedroom and a large foam mattress in the living room covered with an India print.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1166.95,1197.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And cleaning consisted of taking the India print off the one in the living room and shaking it out afterwards and tucking it in nice and neat afterwards. That was cleaning. I don't remember which of us did that more, but there wasn't a whole lot of household labor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1197.59,1219.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He played guitar, which I enjoyed, and we took turns reading to each other in the evenings while I sewed patches on our pants when they wore out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1220.07,1231.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we had really separate lives. When we had meetings of the switchboard gals at my house, people would joke that they just pretended Russell was the lamp because he didn't say anything. He stayed up all night playing his guitar and I think he might've left the radio station by then because how could he have got— yeah, it's hard to remember.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1234.3,1264.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: When you came to Eugene, what did it look like to you? What did you think about it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1264.03,1269.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Let me tell you a funny story about how I came to Eugene. Mostly Tom came to visit us because he wanted to go to the gay bars and one time he came with Margaret's girlfriend Gabriel, a fascinating gal. And after they went back to Eugene, I guess we must have talked on the phone even though it was expensive, because after a phone call Russell seemed upset and I knew he wasn't as close to my friends in Eugene as I was and I was concerned about that, but he said “No, no.” The problem was he had fallen in love with Gabriel and written her a letter and hadn't heard and wondered what ever happened to the letter. So I got back on the phone and I said, “Where's this letter? Is there a letter? And they said, \"Oh right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1270.09,1323.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, there was a letter, we put it in Margaret's box at Starflower. He sent it to Starflower.” “Well, get the letter out, give it to Gabriel.” Because I was just— as a fervent codependent, I wanted to model the behavior that I expected him to emulate the next time I got a crush on somebody else, because when I had gotten crushes on other people he went, \"Oh no, no, this is so terrible, we have to— \" I was like, \"You know I'm going to support you. This is going to be interesting.\" He said, \"No, no, no. Just as I found it not supportable when you were attracted to other people, what I want to do now is get a divorce and cleave only unto her.\" And I said, \"That's kind of weird.\" But, okay. So I moved to Eugene. And Gabriel of course thought it was the most hilarious thing she'd ever heard of. And she also suggested to me kindly that possibly he had been looking for a way to get out of the relationship and declaring that he was in love with someone who lived 600 miles away, was committed to somebody else and was a lesbian, might be a good way to do it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1323.58,1394.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was it for Russell for many, many decades.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1394.86,1398.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I moved in with Tom and Margaret and Gabriel—Gabriel had another apartment but she wasn't there very much—and Gabriel's daughter, Cere, and her dog Brother and Tom's dog Heya and some cats. I not only moved in with them but I started working at Starflower. They give me a home and a job and a community. And I thought, Well, here I am, I'm going to be working with all these fabulous lesbians. Maybe I'll be a lesbian, too. Let's just see what happens. Because there were, at that time, Nina Robbins was working there and Connie Newman was working— these were wonderful, wonderful women, but boy was I surprised.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1398.17,1448.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well there had been some precursors. There had been a time when Margaret and I were going to take some acid. And then Tom came home and had been gone for several days and was already tripping. So he was going to take some acid too, and Russell was going to drive us around. And so he drove us over to this hill that we were going to climb and we climbed this hill and they were talking about all the mustard plants. And I was like, “Ooh, I thought mustard seeds only grew in the Holy Land. Oh, this is the Holy Land. Whoa.” And then we got up to where we were sitting around talking.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1450.42,1493.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Margaret told me that she had feelings for me. And I was like, \"Oh, well we must be getting to see what the guys are doing or else they'll be worrying.\" And as I look back on that later, I was chagrined. Anyway, I decided that I realized that she was the one and I was just so happy. I was like, \"Oh, this is just the most wonderful— here I am. Finally. It's so great.\" Yeah. I look back at my life. I— everything seemed to point that way. “Margaret,” I said. “Goodness!” And she said, “Well, actually, of course, you're my dear friend, I'll always love you. But I am with Gabriel now and I don't really feel that way anymore.” And I thought, Well, I'll just talk her into it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1493.64,1544.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Russell didn't think I was so great at first and then he did. And I'll just be the hardest worker at Starflower that ever was, totally ignoring the fact that, Gabriel is someone who could sit and watch seven people load a truck, and— buff her fingernails. I became the hardest worker that ever was and it was really hard. I had a big old broken heart.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1546.39,1572.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Were you attracted to other women at Starflower?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1574.23,1577.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Yeah. But not like that. I thought there were other women who were really great, but she was the one and it seemed to me that all the times I had ever been in relationships with guys and they hadn't liked me as much as I liked them, there was a little voice in the back of my head saying, well, what does he know? And it seemed to me that she really knew, that she just knew all about me and knew that I wasn't good enough. And so I was really sad and everybody— the way I remember it, surely there were lots of people saying “When will she get over this?” But the way I remember it, everybody was so sweet to me about it and tried to cheer me up and distract me. And I tried to be cheered up and distracted. But then there she’d be. One time we were going to go on a trucking run together. Ooh, I was so excited. But then she said, “It's going to be really icy and snowy. Christine has more experience and she's a mechanic. Is that okay if I go with Christine?” I said, “Of course it’s okay.” And they didn't come back. It was really icy snowy. And they stopped at Christine's land in Williams for a few days and then they finally came back. I was so glad to see them and I invited them over. I cooked, I was making cream of mushroom soup and I invited Nina over for dinner. And Christine said, “Oh, can I come too?” I said, “Sure.” We were in the kitchen and there was a big disagreement going on in the other room. And I said, \"What's going on?\" And Nina said, \"Well, Gabriel really didn't like it that they started this little affair in Williams and then you invited her home for dinner. And I said, \"What?\" I was just bawling my eyes out. So that went on for quite a while until—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1577.15,1703.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How did all of these shifting relationships play out at Starflower?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1703.3,1708.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Well, more or less it sometimes affected the business a little bit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1708.47,1719.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"People were signed up to go on a trucking ride together and then it turns out they weren't getting along so good. And other times it was, from my point of view it seemed like it was so great. The people just wanted to live their lives in this very focused way. We were showing the world what we could do. It was so great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1720.8,1743.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How many people were working at Starflower?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1743.53,1745.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Well, it grew and grew. We were constantly hiring because our business grew and grew. I mean it wasn't just cheese and herbs. It was juice and rice and a lot of stuff from Westbrae in the Bay area, pasta, and then we went out to Idaho to get beans. We were constantly hiring and I'm sure we hired many of the people that you've interviewed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1745.52,1769.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Could we back up for second. Can you talk about the actual founding of Starflower? You did talk about Charlie and Debbie Glass. They had an herb company and then the distribution of the herbs—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1770.04,1783.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: And cheese.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1783.97,1785.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: —and the cheese. When did Margaret and Tom— did they—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1785.18,1792.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Nineteen seventy-two.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1792.67,1794.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay. Did they found Starflower with Charlie and Debbie or was it just Margaret and Tom?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1794.23,1801.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: No, it was definitely Charlie and Debbie and then two other people, friends of Charlie and Debbie who are, let's see, there was one, Mary Lawless? Yeah. There's another person whose name I forget. And then by the time I got there, Connie and Nina and I think Breeze was there. Debra Gavlak was there. And when they hired me, they hired Christine at the same time. Christine Frazer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1801.88,1841.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And yeah, and then, we just hired and hired.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1842.36,1853.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And what was the business model?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1853.34,1856.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: We were a collective. Everybody did everything. Everybody. I was one of the first people who— I did a lot of bookkeeping because I had done that in San Francisco. I would sit at the same place at the huge table every day. And there was one adding machine that I liked to have nearby, and a pencil that I liked to have near me. It was like that was— other people were more communistic about the tools of our trade than I started being. When I first got there, there was a thing called the heavy wheel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1856.18,1893.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They had all the names around it and they'd turn the dial every day and that person was the heavy that day. And if somebody said, \"I want to talk to the person in charge,\" or whose turn is it to clean the bathroom or whatever nobody wanted to do, that person had to do it that day. But I don't remember it being used by the time I got there. I saw it. And I remember it being referred to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1895.4,1919.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: I wonder where that wheel is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1921.14,1922.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Yeah. There was also a journal called As the Star Shines that people would write, you know, \"Don't deliver to the Canyonville Co-op anymore, their checks keep bouncing.” Or, “Last night I dreamed that…\" or just whatever, and that disappeared, too. Oh, everyone is heartbroken over the disappearance of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1922.56,1945.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Who chose the name Starflower?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1952.59,1954.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Oh, Debbie.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1954.66,1955.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Debbie did?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1955.85,1956.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Yeah. And she drew beautiful— and we don't know where she is now. We know where Charlie is but I don't know where Debbie is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1956.59,1968.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Where are the Cormiers?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1968.61,1970.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Tom died of AIDS, in, uh, oh, we’ve got that in here [looks at notes]. And Margaret, they— I loved him so much and he was not someone who was good with money. A few years after I got there, he met a guy in San Francisco, Joe Brown, who came up and worked with us, who I also loved so much, and Joe was very good with money and he used to say, \"You know, I think what happens is some good fairy just comes and takes money out of Tom's pockets every night and puts money in my pocket every night.\" When they moved to Portland, Tom got a really good job working for OHSU and Joe worked for a food co-op and made a third of what Tom made. And he always had money and Tom never had money. But after he died, amazingly enough, Margaret was able to collect on his social security which it was just the greatest thing. He would've loved that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=1972.14,2045.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, she lives in Weaverville now, Weaverville, California. She partnered with a gal who was a therapist here in town, Dorothy Knowles and they moved to Corvallis for quite a while and then moved to Portland. It was such a relief when they moved to Corvallis that I wasn't going to be running into her when I thought I was having a good time and realize that I was actually a miserable reject. And then they moved to Portland for quite a while and then they moved to California and adopted four kids, a sibling group.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=2046.52,2081.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Skipping way, way ahead, Cheryl, remember Cheryl? At the women's switchboard?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=2084.94,2092.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Mm-hmm [affirmative].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=2092.62,2092.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: She changed her name to Snake and we became very, very close.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=2092.86,2097.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We did a lot of camping. She lived in the Bay Area but she came up here a lot and we did a lot of camping and we went to Nepal together and oh, it was so great. And the years went by and the years went by and about three or four years ago, she died as she would have wished, hiking. She got lost hiking in Arizona and died. And I told Cere, Gabriel's daughter, who lives in [near] Denver now, and she told Margaret and Margaret called me and suggested that I stop to see her on my way down to the memorial.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=2099.48,2140.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Judy Goldstein, who I'm sure you've interviewed and my housemate Sue and I did that. Not everyone has this reaction to menopause, but I no longer have the hormones that give me romantic or sexual or jealous feelings so being with her now, I still of course love her deeply, deeply, but I no longer have the jealous feelings. It was just wonderful to reconnect. I'd like to email her at least once a month but we email about once or twice a year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=2140.31,2184.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had another visit with my friend Hilary who I'm also very fond of just before my grandson was born. We went down for the Bill Graham exhibit in San Francisco and we stopped at my daughter- in-law's [parents’] house to pick up a family rocking chair in Sacramento, which would fit in Hillary's large vehicle. And then on the way back, we came up the coast and she got to meet Margaret which was important to me. Margaret got to meet her, which was important to me. And that was another really, really good time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=2188.27,2233.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But back here in the ‘70s, they had a cattle truck that they did their deliveries in, Eugene deliveries and they went down to southern Oregon to pick up the vat of cheese, which would be in twenty pound blocks and taken into Grants Pass and get some of it cut up into one pound chunks, maybe some five pound or half pound, I don't remember, and with the beautiful labels and they delivered— actually, the morning after I got here I did Portland deliveries with Charlie because fewer people wanted to go trucking with Charlie than with the gals so I got to do it. And I was so impressed that he could drive a truck at the same time as he could eat his dinner with chopsticks, out of a bowl. I thought, \"Man, that was something.\" And then we started going to Eastern Oregon and because we were picking up food in Chico we delivered in Mount Shasta and the co- ops in Chico. And then after a while we added the coast run and it was always a thing about there was never a back haul from the coast, it was hard to pay. Finally we slapped a little per pound delivery charge on the coast run.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=2234.52,2336.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was your daily life, when you're working at Starflower and there were other collectives around, what was your interaction with them? What can you tell us about those other collectives?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=2337.82,2347.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: The first many years I really didn't know anybody who didn't work at Starflower or wasn't lovers with somebody who worked at Starflower. My social life was pretty much confined exclusively to Starflower. It was still my endeavor to work harder than anybody else so that Margaret would love me and I worked really hard. I eventually sort of specialized more in trucking and bookkeeping and one was a refreshment from the other. One was outdoors, physical, beautiful, beautiful Oregon, seeing our customers who were so fond of us and physically tiring. And the other was not physically taxing but mentally taxing. And so I worked about thirty hours a week at each of these endeavors and I remember being annoyed when the weekend came because although I of course still went in, or if I wasn't on a trucking run I wasn't as annoyed, but if I was in town, I still went in. But there were fewer people there to check things out with, \"Did you really load this? What did this customer say?\" Because they were all doing something else.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=2347.96,2434.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: It's interesting because people talk about the freedom of that time of being able to survive on only working half time and then being involved in some creative endeavor. You're working double time—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=2434.51,2446.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: This was my creative endeavor, yeah, pretty much. Margaret and I once took a class on making Pysansky Easter eggs that are wax resistant, it was so beautiful. We were doing that, coming home at night and sitting around with Tom and Gabriel and making those Easter eggs. Especially—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=2446.13,2468.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Can you describe for us just a typical day at Starflower?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=2468.77,2471.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: If you're a warehouse worker you'd be getting these handwritten order forms and getting things set up for a trucking run. And if it was Monday night, of course you'd be at the Starflower meeting which went on for hours because every business decision was being made collectively. If you were loading a run that was going out the next morning, you could leave a little early so you could load that run and if you were driving that run, you could leave a little early, not as early as the loaders, but a little early. But everybody else was sitting there smoking cigarettes. And then after a while, we had a rule that there was only going to be one cigarette at a time until the meeting was done.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=2476.89,2530.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I took my turn facilitating those meetings. I'm now involved with Community Village at the Oregon Country Fair which makes decisions collectively and Sue will take her turn facilitating the meetings that I never, never, never, never, will. I just won't do it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=2532.69,2551.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I took my turn taking notes and I won't do that either. I do take minutes for one of the committees of the Oregon Country Fair, the LUMP—Land Use Management Planning Committee and I took minutes when I was on the CALC board, the Community Alliance of Lane County. But at other meetings I'm just, I'm not very helpful, I work on my list of things to do. When I was teaching I was graded spelling tests.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=2551.44,2582.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Let's see, if you were a bookkeeper, you would come in and I have stronger memories of later when we had moved to our new warehouse when we had computerized some of our bookkeeping, coming in, printing off a sheet of all the people that we owed money to and then trying to decide of those people, which ones I might risk writing a check to that might not bounce, influenced by how far away the supplier's bank was and what the purchasers were begging me to pay so that they could get an order in. That was a really hard time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=2588.15,2632.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Where was, excuse me, where was Starflower located first?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=2634.3,2638.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Okay, when Russell and I came to visit, it was on Willamette Street near Eighteenth and by the time I— let's see, the collective house was there and they had some warehouse space rented in what is now across Fifth from the 5th Street Public Market in the building that— things have gone in and out of that building so fast. Across Fifth, from the 5th Street Public Market. And then by the time I got here at work, we were at 385 Lawrence, which is near the Planing Mill near REI, in which at this time, is empty except for one sculptor who's got a little part of the warehouse.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=2638.08,2694.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Three eighty-five [385] Lawrence had, probably still has, a huge walk-in cooler that— I wonder how we did this. At one point we sunk a safe into the cement floor for our money and the cooler has a door that opens out onto Lawrence that we could back the trucks up to and it has wooden floors. So, we couldn't use a mechanical forklift, we could only use hand pulled forks [pallet jacks] and in order to stack the grain, some strong young dyke would be crouching on top of a four-tie of bags and others of us would be pushing the bags up and she'd be pulling them up and we'd be stacking up there. We were so strong, it was real awesome. Every time I'm shopping at the Red Barn, and I still buy in bulk, it's just I would never consider not buying in bulk, and they have my box of juice and they say, \"Would you like some help out with that?\" And I say, \"Yes.\" And I think of those days. Argh!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=2697.79,2769.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was a co-op in Bend that you had to deliver up a fire escape out back and I could carry a fifty pound bag of rice up that fire escape. If I had to, I could carry a seventy-five pound bag of beans up and boy, those fifty pound bag rice were so much easier when I was young. Not when I first got here. When I first got here and I'd go out on deliveries it took a while. Wooden floors and we had an upstairs where we kept lighter things because— I think, I'm trying to remember, I had worked as a carpenter's assistant a little bit in San Francisco and when I first got here that was one of the things they hired me for and they wanted a slide coming down from the top floor. I said, \"Well, I can do that.\" And I did. I needed Christine to get her chainsaw to cut the hole in the floor but aside from that, I put that slide together. When I think of how primitive— And then there was a basement and we kept dried fruit and stuff down there. And at one point we cut another hole in the floor of the— and we had a forklift down there whose name was Persephone and that's how we lifted stuff up and down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=2771.77,2859.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: How was the slide used?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=2859.21,2861.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: To slide light boxes of pasta and herbs down from the top floor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=2861.17,2866.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we'd carry them—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=2868.08,2868.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: How did they get in the top floor though?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=2868.26,2869.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: We'd carry them up the stairs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=2869.55,2871.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And that was for storage?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=2871.02,2872.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Well, a warehouse is for storage.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=2872.85,2875.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: So then you would have the boxes of food and to get them stored up there and then to get them down to get into the truck, you'd slide them down?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=2875.21,2884.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Yeah, yeah. So, we're putting together an order, we've got this list of things that they want. They want three boxes of this kind of pasta and one box of that kind of pasta. So we'd go upstairs and we'd slide them down and then the pallet that the order’s on had the cheese and the rice and the pasta on it. And then later when we got more sophisticated, we wrapped it all in plastic. I don't know what we did sooner [before that], I think, yeah, we'd just haul it over the truck and then stacked it in the truck as best we could.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=2885.32,2920.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we had load bars that we'd put across the back of the truck so it wouldn't fall down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=2920.08,2923.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Can you tell us something about the food itself?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=2923.62,2927.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Well, it was delicious. Although our salaries were very low, our worker benefits that we weren't going to be taxed on as individuals included free food and a bicycle and bicycle maintenance and rain gear and whatever else we could think of that we could write off as a business expense. To this day, it's really hard for me when I've bought some food and someone says, \"Well, how much did that cost?\" Who looks? It's just food. Of course, you're going to get the best food because it's food and you want to support the farmers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=2927.91,2973.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We carried and ate grains, flours, pasta, cheese, herbs, spices.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=2980.03,2989.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"After a while, the herb company broke off and became a separate company. It was mostly the guys, it was Tom and Joe and their friends but then it got more after— Shoshana became an herb person. It became more mixed. And the herb company also had a lot of part-timers, non-collective members who did the packaging later, much later. And we thought it was so cute that the big strong dykes would do the heavy stuff and the more delicate faggots would do the light stuff. What else did we— Oh, nut butters. You could imagine that this was not really the most— that somebody who had more capital could be able to distribute food more efficiently. Somebody who is not paying every worker to make a collective decision. Somebody who was paying their workers as little as possible and paying their executives more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=2990.38,3071.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so once natural foods became more popular, thanks to all the co-op warehouses— There's a book called Hippie Food, I just thought it was hilarious. It's a new book. It starts with pill stores in L.A. and Adele Davis and macrobiotics and, what a book. Once we had popularized natural foods, businesses with more capital began to undercut us and in our desperation we began to carry more packaged foods with sugar in them and people would leave, that was their line. And then we had to train new people and that was more expensive and we'd lose more money. We were preyed upon, as I look at it now, by women who would come in and say, \"Look, I have all this management experience. Unless you hire me, you're going to go out of business and you need to pay me five times as much as you're paying yourselves because that's what I'm worth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=3073.57,3141.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hire me, or you're going to go out of business.\" We would hire them and that was the line from more people and they would leave. I am skipping around in this chronology here but that happened.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=3141.6,3156.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then after a while I was the last one left of the original gang and I just for so long I had felt— I did eventually start to meet other people that didn't work at Starflower and I had some close friends who had straight jobs and then they did what they did to make a better world in their free time. And I thought, \"Oh, I am so privileged that I am working for a better world and getting paid for it. This is so great.\" And then after a while, \"You know, this isn't so great. This isn't so great.\" What else could I do?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=3157.66,3202.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: It wasn't so great because?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=3202.32,3203.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: It didn't look like we were going to be able to survive. And I was the point person, I was the one who the suppliers were calling and saying, \"How come you're not paying me? Are you ever going to pay me? This is my business, are you ripping us off?\" And I'd say, \"Oh we're going to pay you, we're going to pay you.\" And it was so different from in my personal life, I was someone who— Several Starflower girls bought houses during this, Margaret had bought a house and I had been, \"How could you do that? Pay for your Mother the Earth. I just don't believe you are doing that.\" And she'd say, \"Well, we were living here. They were going to sell it. It was $500 down and $50 a month.\" And lots of gals got those great deals. Connie Newman got a great deal. And not Margaret and Connie so much, but several of the others who bought houses then they were house poor and didn't have any money and they were always borrowing money from me or taking loans against their equity from the company. And I just felt like they had hobbies aside from driving trucks and keeping books and I didn't drink that much, I never bought clothing. Anyway, I had plenty of money in my private life, but in my corporate life, I was so broke, I was so deeply in debt. It was painful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=3203.87,3301.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When Elliott was born, when I was in labor, with every contraction, I would hallucinate that sheet of who we owed money to and if it was a particularly strong contraction, it would be like, \"Oh God, if I only had an extra $5,000 or $10,000, if only I had an extra $20,000.\" It was a tough time. And so I finally decided, what could I do that would be saving the world at the same time as earning a living? I thought, Oh, I know I'll be a high school English teacher. I'll teach Jane Austin. And I called up the English Department of the U of O and I said, \"I'd like to come to school here, I'd like to transfer. I have these three years of abysmal grades from Cornell.\" And they said, \"Ew.\" And I said, \"But that was fifteen years ago and I've been such a diligent worker since then.\" And they said, \"We don't care if it was fifteen years ago, we're not going to give you credit for poor work.\" And I talked to Roscoe Caron, who had been a Hoedad among many other things. He had worked at Zoo Zoo’s, he had worked at Genesis. He believed in changing the world through democratically managed co-ops. And he had been at the U of O doing teacher ed in the elementary program and he said, \"Talk to them over at elementary, they're much more interested in what you're doing now.\" And they were and so I became a teacher. I wonder where I was going with that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=3305.39,3408.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So you finished your degree and then you could— did you have to get a teaching certification?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=3408.11,3413.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Yeah, yeah. It took three years because some of my credits were transferable but a lot of them were not part of the standard teacher ed program.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=3413.83,3424.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was it like for you to be a student?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=3424.68,3426.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: When I worked as hard as I could at Starflower, not only did Margaret not love me but we kept losing money. When I worked as hard as I could at the U of O, I got, \"Excellent, A+, you're so great.\" I just ate it up. I graduated summa cum laude. I just thought, \"Wow, this feels so good.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=3426.65,3453.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What kind of courses were stimulating to you or that—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=3453.63,3457.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Well, I had to take three classes in math for elementary teachers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=3457.06,3460.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was extremely difficult. I hadn't taken a math class since tenth grade in high school. At first, I took a little test to see if I could test in and it said, \"No, you can't test in. You have to learn some stuff.\" So I bought an algebra book and I— Or maybe the test said, \"Okay, you can barely test in.\" Because I started right away. My teacher was Miriam Walter, whom you may know from Temple?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=3461.24,3494.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=3494.74,3494.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: And I just thought she was the greatest, she was so elegant. I just couldn't wait to get to her class every day and she was concerned about my preparation. But I worked through that algebra book, I spent a lot of time down here somewhere where undergraduates helped me figure out what it meant and I got As in each of her— I took three terms of it, three years of it. I took a lot of it and at the end of it she said, \"Well, I just hope you never have to teach a smart eighth grader.\" Because I was certified to teach K through eight.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=3494.94,3537.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And sure enough, I never taught math past fifth grade. But when Elliott got past fifth grade, it was a problem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=3538.64,3548.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can I ask you how you came by Elliott? How you got pregnant with him and raised him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=3548.17,3562.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: A lot of the Starflower girls were friends with Hoedads and— no, no, no, no that was John Cloud, how I met him. No, Ed was— Stupid died. Did you ever meet Stupid? There was a guy named Stupid who had been a Wobbly and he made pamphlets of aphorisms on how we would change the world and he held court at the 5th Street Public Market and the Hoedads adored him, they just thought he was their leader into the next world. The gals didn't like him that much; he was pretty much a sexist creep, but the Hoedads thought he was the greatest. And he went mushroom picking with some younger guys and picked the wrong mushrooms and the guys got really sick and survived and he did not. And there was a wake at Growers Market and the Hoedads, oh boy, they were, \"Oh, solidarity forever [gestures].”And I was there with Connie Newman and her girlfriend and my boyfriend and we were passing the joint with a guy that I thought was real cute and when we left, my bike had been stolen. And I remember thinking, \"Well, I'm going to put up a flier with my phone number and maybe that cute Hoedad will see it.\" And then about a month later— the Hoedads loaned us money and I did that too, and we paid very high interest—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=3562.33,3668.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Loaned Starflower money?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=3670.28,3671.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Yeah, individual Hoedads would loan us money. They would make a lot of money and then they'd go tree planting and if they didn't need it, they would loan it to us. We had like 5 percent for three months, 6 percent for six months, 12 percent for three years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=3671.26,3686.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We could make more money with their money than we were paying in interest. And so I was the one who went to the Hoedads general meetings to give the pitch because a lot of the other girls weren't that interested in the Hoedads and I thought they were fascinating. At the next one that I went to I brought Ed home and he said that he was interested in settling down and having a family and I said, \"Well, I can't do that, I work all the time. It's not something I want to do but you're so cute, let's hang out.\" All around me there were gals looking for donors and here I had this volunteer and I just— When I was in teacher ed, I took a summer class where we had to write some short stories, memoirs, which I just really enjoyed doing. And in one of them I compared calling his bluff to when Snake said, \"Let's go to Nepal.\" I was like, \"Well I guess I could.\" And that's sort of how I felt about getting pregnant, it was like, \"Okay, let's do it. Let's see how this works out.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=3688.22,3765.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And so your desire to not settle down and have a family, how does that work with deciding to get pregnant?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=3767.06,3774.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Oh, I skipped that part. He said, \"I'm tired of working in the woods.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=3774.24,3781.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You're making enough money to support three of us, I'll take care of the kid.\" It's like, \"Oh, well that's a possibility then.\" So I got pregnant and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=3782.26,3793.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Had you had desires to be a mother or was this brand new idea?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=3794.3,3798.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: No, it was a brand new idea. Skipping ahead, it didn't work out with me and Ed that well, but while it was not working out, you know how it is in a relationship, you don't realize that it's not going to get better, I was thinking, \"Well, maybe it'll get better.\" I kept thinking, Well, he had this one great idea. This was just such a great idea is what I came to believe. First, I got pregnant and I miscarried, but by that time I had caught the fever and I went up to Breitenbush with Sally, who was Hayfield then and we took some drugs. And at that time I felt like Elliott's spirit entered into me, and she said that she would be my support person and come over and massage me with oil every day so that I would have an easy birth. And I decided to do it again, and we did it again. And we already weren't getting along so good by the time of the birth. But it was how— I don't know if you've heard that often what happens is just, \"Oh my God, this is the most wonderful baby in the whole world!\" This is just like— He really was the most wonderful baby in the whole— he was so cute.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=3799.02,3885.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that's how I ended up being a parent. And everybody— unlike when Connie wanted to have a baby, when I first got to Starflower, Connie wanted to have a baby. And people are like, \"Oh no, you can't have a baby. Christine's already got a baby. We've already got these babies that— Gabriel's got a baby, we've got these babies that we're taking care of that people had accidentally or had before they got here, you can't have a baby.\" And that's when she— Mike Goldstein said that she could come and work for him and have a baby. And she went and learned how to be a legal secretary. And so that was also part of my decision when Ed said he wanted to have a baby, she was already pregnant.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=3886.61,3934.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I thought, well, I'll have a baby with Connie. This'll be really great, and it was really great, it was so great. Elliott and Leon were such close friends from when they were born.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=3934.97,3950.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: When was your son born?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=3950.75,3952.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Nineteen eighty-four. June 16, 1984.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=3952.29,3954.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And Ed was out of the picture by the time—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=3955.4,3959.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: No. We hung on for years. And he did, he brought him in to nurse at Starflower. He took care of him. It was a thing though that when I got home he would say, \"Here I can't, I got to get out of here.\" And I couldn't help remembering when I was a young child, when my daddy got home, it was, \"Don't bother your daddy, honey. He's been working all day. Here's a drink dear dinner's almost ready.\" And it was so different.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=3959.4,3994.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When I got into teacher ed, when I was in Ithaca, it was assumed that if you had graduated from high school you knew how to write.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=3996.31,4006.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But when I enrolled at the U of O, that assumption was no longer valid. And I was told that I had to take writing 121, 122 and 123.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4007.45,4013.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I got to take 121, I got to take a different— next semester writing class. And Coral Mack, who was my teacher, started looking at the stuff I was writing and saying, \"Wow, this is so great. Where can you publish this?\" And whoa, I was so excited.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4014.72,4029.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I shopped a story to Mothering magazine about that difference and they were like, \"Are you kidding? A story about a woman who doesn't stay home with her baby? That we are certainly not going to—\" But he did. He stayed home for some years and then he started working again. And Elliott was in childcare with Leon and his other good buddy who we'd met in baby having class, Johnny VanLandingham.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4030.06,4065.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then they all went to Elga Brown's kindergarten together, and they all went to Family School together, and they all went to the prom together. It was kind of sweet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4067.24,4079.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Let's see. Were we back at Starflower when I was skipping ahead a million times? [reading from notes]: We all lived in the Whiteaker and read each other’s tarot cards. Two of the women I was closest to were Nina Robbins, a fragile Scorpio musician, and Connie Newman, a communist who wanted a baby. Russell and I got a divorce. I went back to Ithaca for a visit. Margaret and Gabriel broke up, but I still spent a lot of time with Cere. We went camping at French Pete in the Mount Jefferson Wilderness.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4084.79,4117.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We went camping with— I was just thinking of Susan Baker on— I was camping this last weekend, and I waited until the sun made being in my tent uncomfortable to get up. I went camping with two carpenters, Rena Klein and Susan Baker.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4117.0,4139.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Will you talk about them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4139.86,4140.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: They were so great. They were associated with Starflower, and they liked to go camping, and I had a car. And we would camp at French Pete and they would say, “You know, there's some hot springs up there.” And I said, “Let's go to the hot springs.” They said, “Oh, you don't want to go this hot springs. It's all hippies and Hoedads.” “No, I want to go to the hot springs.” “Na, na, na.” I ran into Susan at— there was a movie shown recently about healthcare for older gay people. That movie was shown some years ago at the Campbell Senior Center. And I ran into Susan there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4140.77,4183.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: This is the movie Gen Silent?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4183.58,4185.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Yeah, Gen Silent. And she had been traveling, traveling, traveling, and now she had no money but she was just, she had so many memories. And when I— this past weekend when the sun finally— And Oh and she always used to say that her idea was to wait until the sun came in the tent to wake her up. You know what, I should get hold of her for you. Yeah. Because she— I mean she came down from Alaska in the back of the truck and Rena came out from New York, little Jewish girl, tall Alaskan girl. They were the only two women in their architecture program at the U of O. And they—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4185.29,4231.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Did they start Crescent Construction?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4231.67,4234.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Maybe they did, maybe they were Crescent Construction. 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We did not have as much camping equipment as campers do now. We had a lot of fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4238.52,4262.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was that you mentioned tarot and you mentioned that the Jewish woman coming from New York. What was the spirituality landscape in Eugene—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4262.49,4272.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: A lot of tarot a lot of— I think Connie has Nina's diaries now. For a while we were passing them back and forth every five or ten years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4272.05,4283.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A lot of each other's dreams.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4283.93,4288.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Nina, when she was— maybe it was after she had died, we had a circle and Rabbi Myron joined us and I was like, whoa, look at that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4290.49,4302.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's rabbis in our town and it was an outdoor circle and it was years before I realized that there were indoor religions here that some people might— some people I knew might want to associate with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4302.78,4323.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Were you a part of Baleboostehs?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4324.1,4325.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: No, they were very clear that as long as I was still hanging out with hippie boys I was not going to be part of Baleboostehs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4325.15,4331.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Can you explain what that means?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4331.96,4335.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Baleboostehs was Jewish lesbians. And they were not affiliated with the Temple in any way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4335.44,4341.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And they didn't want you, because?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4341.94,4344.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: I was not a lesbian, I did not qualify as a lesbian. I had distracted myself from my central heartache by fooling around with hippie boys.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4344.89,4355.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And did you have any relationship with Rabbi Kinberg and Elise?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4355.03,4360.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4360.7,4361.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And that what they were doing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4361.94,4362.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: What happened is one night I had a dream that I was in a congregation and I was like, they're going to start talking about Jesus. It's time for me to get out of here. And then I realized that they weren't, there's a Jewish congregation that, you know, I might go check it out. And I called Marlene and I said— remember when Myron— is there really— Can I— she told me where it was. And I went down there and it was kind of cool. I recognized the music.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4362.74,4391.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My dad had been— he didn't have a bar mitzvah, but his, his family had, had been Jewish and his sisters all married into more observant families. So, I recognized the music from my cousins’ bar mitzvahs and weddings and I thought it was kind of cool. And oh, I know they— Ed was working nights and Elliott was about— he was about two or three and I was always looking for interesting things to do in the evenings that children were welcome at and I started taking him to Tot Shabbat and it was just so sweet. It's a thing that they did once a month for little, little kids. And I just thought it was so sweet. And one day I was over at Marlene's and I noticed that there was a newsletter of the Temple with interesting things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4391.35,4449.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Marlene?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4449.96,4450.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Marlene Drescher. Surely you've interviewed her, and I called them up and I said, “I'd like to subscribe to this newsletter.” And they said, “Look, usually you join the Temple to subscribe to the newsletter.” I said, “Okay, maybe I'll join the Temple.” They said, “What you do first, if you're going to join the Temple, is you have lunch with the rabbi.” I said, “Great. I’ll have lunch with the rabbi.” So they made an appointment and I had lunch with Myron.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4450.83,4474.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He said, “Well, tell me about your Jewish background.” I tell him about the Unitarians and went on at some length. And he said, “Well, sorry to tell you, you're not Jewish. That if you— because not every temple, but in our temple, if you had been raised Jewish, you would be Jewish. Or, if your mom had been Jewish and you were not raised to be Jewish— but as it is, you're not Jewish. So you can take some Jewish classes if you want to be Jewish.” “That sounds great. I'll take some Jewish classes.” I started doing that. But then I got a job in Winston and I was living down there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4474.66,4510.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I took a break and now when I came back, I finished my Jewish classes and he said, “Okay, so now you're going to have to have a Mitzvah and we're going to make arrangements for you to go up to Portland.” I said, “I don't want to go to Portland. You know, it’s running water, what about the Willamette?” And he said, “Well, okay.” And we did that, and Sally and Judy and Myron. Judy was reminiscing recently that he had some student rabbi who he wanted to bring along, too. And I said, sure. We went down there and I got to be Jewish.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4511.01,4546.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And that's Judy Goldstein you're referring to?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4546.52,4548.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Yeah, who I'm sure you interviewed also. But I had the idea at that time that since Elliott was then, I forget, seven or nine, that he was too old to become automatically Jewish. So I told him, “Honey, of course I feel like you're Jewish, but you don't have to be Jewish yet if you don't want to be.” And she said, “Mom, I'm never going to be Jewish.” And I said, “Well, you certainly don't have to be Jewish now. I didn't think I was Jewish when I was your age.” “I'm never going to be Jewish!” I said, “Honey, you don't have to decide. I was raised a Unitarian. We all decide for ourselves. It's fine. You can be whatever you want.” “I want you to tell me that you believe I'm never going to be Jewish.” “I don't think I can tell you that.” That went on until when he was in high school, he started meeting Jewish kids who he was interested in— they started doing some Jewish things when he got to Reed, a few more Jewish things when he got to New York. 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And as part of my Beit Din I was looking forward to, you know, seeing Myron and Yitz and, Hanan. But when I got there, it was Elise and Carol and I forget [Shonna]. Anyways, these three gals, it was, it was a really fun and I said, “You know, I don't know if I would have mentioned this otherwise, but I have to say that some of my friends are not real happy about me signing up with this patriarchal religion.” And they said “We're so happy because we are going to change it and you're going to be part of the change and this is really nice.” But yeah, at the Starflower time, I, you know, it, it would never occur to me that somebody would have a spiritual life connected with an indoor religion. 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Starflower paid for all of our healthcare, just paid outright.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4718.91,4724.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: But did people go to doctors or was it more like—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4724.02,4732.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: I think occasionally people went to doctors. I don't remember. Oh, I, I remember going to a dentist and having some qualms about having found a dentist who had agreed to give me a nitrous oxide even for cleaning. 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For instance, when Nina first found her lump, she dealt with it explicitly with non-Western medicine. Oh yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4754.71,4769.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I, I remember I was seeing a guy named TJ, a doctor, who worked with Sarah Hendrickson, who had an office with Sarah Hendrickson. And I mentioned Nina to him. And I'm sure it was extremely nonprofessional of him to disclose to me that he was heartbroken, that she was not following his advice to deal with her lump in some way more effective.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4769.95,4792.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then, eventually, we noticed that our, as everyone else's medical bills are going up and up and up, and we tried to get some insurance and there was a guy, you should have done this ten years ago, the names would have come so much faster. Robert DeSpain, Robert DeSpain was doing a big medical group for all the co-ops that we were a part of for a while. 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When I was a teacher, my medical insurance— as medical insurance got more and more expensive, we instead of, you know, spending a whole day, every September giving us different programs that we could all choose among, they made an alliance with the Oregon School Boards Association to get a policy that would cover lots and lots of people and would be a little, little tiny bit cheaper.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4834.66,4866.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that was our goal. 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The Northwest Working Press was who had those last two copies of the Co-Op Coloring Book. And I found them when I called him, there was a, there's a thing and going on now in the Whiteaker, “Whiteaker Tales.” They're doing a thing about the history of the Whiteaker. The first one they did was “Whiteaker in the 90s,” how all the anarchists were so cool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4899.44,4937.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I had some crankiness as if the history of the Whiteaker started in the 90s. Eh, eh. And my crankiness percolated to the organizers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4937.59,4945.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the next one they did was “Whiteaker in the ‘70s.” And I was on the panel with Vicky Nelson, who was one of the founders of Growers Market and Sean O’Reilly who had some presses, and I forget who the other guy was, but who I brought up from the audience was Roscoe Caron who knew so much about the co-opss in those days.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4945.95,4974.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then they did one recently about Scobert Park. That was very interesting. And then they did another one that I missed. Anyway, they're, they're just archiving away. They've got these videos now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4976.68,4987.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: You had mentioned a number of people who had worked at Starflower.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=4993.79,5004.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5005.17,5005.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Are there any other members, workers at Starflower that you'd like to bring up?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5005.49,5011.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: I would like to mention Jan Tobin who had an interesting background with some communist groups. And then came to us as sweeties with Martina Versoza, who I would also like to mention who is in Portland now and they were very close and Jan became one of the important people in the herb company and after Starflower, she ran a little natural food store at the— in Florence— no— after Starflower, first, she was head hunted by our suppliers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5011.27,5066.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She worked for two of our national suppliers and then she ran the natural food store on the coast and now she's in Port Townsend working for the co-op there. 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Can you talk about how things have changed or how the, how the community has supported you or not supported you or just sort of change, you know, looking sort of, you've got decades to think about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5091.59,5110.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: So when I first got here, it seemed to me as if there couldn't possibly be a lesbian in Eugene that I didn't know. And as the years went by and Eugene grew and I, you know, I, let's see— the Community Village of the Oregon Country Fair decided in maybe it was 1979. 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And of course the gals said, “Jain, it's for you, the hippies, they're calling.” And so I went to a Community Village meeting. “Wow, this looks like fun!” And I recruited Sally, who was “Hayfield” then, to come.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5159.97,5194.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They offered us two passes to work in the Fruit Booth, who, you know, were all our customers. There were four co-ops who are also going—well, except for Growers Market, were not as financially stable as they would've liked to have been. And I had been in a relationship. So just as the suppliers were nagging me to pay— I was also receivables at that time, so I was nagging them to pay. 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Just hold this watermelon, it'll be fine.” And I, I just loved it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5228.65,5238.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And as the years went by, I found a community there that has become really important to me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5238.27,5249.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: The Oregon Country Fair.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5249.39,5250.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: The Oregon Country Fair. For many, many years, it was just Community Village. I didn't leave the Village very much during the Fair. And then I got involved with the Elders of the Fair and I met people from all over the Fair and now, and then after I retired from my teacher job, I started going to the board meetings, which I find just fascinating. And I started getting involved with more parts of the Fair.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5250.49,5277.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Why are they fascinating?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5278.12,5279.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Well, there's strong personalities up there with big opinions on how the Fair should run. Many of them extremely articulate. And then there's what we're trying to remember no longer to call “The Peach Gallery” because we've become aware that that term is a relic of when African Americans had to sit in the back of the theater. So there's the membership that sits out [sits in the same room] and unlike many board meetings, the membership is permitted to speak on every topic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5280.37,5319.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And there's lots of strong opinions there, too. And I, I just, you know, I'm just so, so interested in how the Fair runs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5320.18,5328.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How was it for you celebrating the fiftieth anniversary this year of the Oregon Country Fair?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5328.27,5332.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: I find every year totally overwhelming. I mean, except for that first year when I seriously misjudged myself, I do not take psychedelics at the Fair. I— why bother? It is so amazing. It's like what a redundancy. I just, and so the idea that, you know, the fiftieth would be better than ever. It's like it, I was not that excited about the idea that it was going to be better than ever. I'm glad we had a fabulous gate. I'm glad we made a lot of money and I'm glad that we now have, when I first started going to the Fair, it was just the eight and it and we also allowed the public to bring in alcohol and it was so, so crowded.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5333.23,5383.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was gridlock on Saturdays. It wasn't a— I stayed in Community Village. I, I didn't go out into the Fair. And when we then decided to be a drug and alcohol-free event and have a cap on attendance, that helped. And when we opened up a Chela Mela and Xavanadu, two large open areas, that helped a lot. So it wasn't as crowded as it was during those last few years in the eighties before those changes, it was pretty crowded.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5384.34,5416.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How many people came this year?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5416.86,5418.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Fifty-eight thousand. We hit our cap on Saturday, 21,500 and we were darn close on Friday when we had a national act. We put the national act in our Main Stage, which is our largest stage. And it was not large enough. We realized that it wasn't going to be large enough and we asked people with wristbands not to come in the afternoon in the daytime and, and he did another show at night for us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5418.11,5456.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But both of those shows were—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5456.43,5457.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How much overlap is there of the Oregon Country Fair community and the lesbian community?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5457.3,5463.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Not much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5463.69,5464.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Why do you think that is?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5465.55,5466.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: I mean, it's all hippie guys. I mean, well, so WYMPROV! played there. So Sally— the next year after she camped with me and the Fruit Booth, she was on the Council and she was the one who introduced closing Community Village meetings with the hokey pokey, which you know, to tell the truth, I thought it was a lot of fun for a few years and then I was really sick of it for a long—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5467.48,5496.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Sick of?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5496.46,5497.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: The hokey pokey. For a long, long time. But then now that Henry's three, I think it's kind of fun again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5497.39,5504.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Can, can we back up for just a second? Yeah. Can you describe what the Country Village is of the Oregon Country Fair?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5504.93,5511.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Sure. Community Village is a—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5511.88,5513.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Oh, Community Village.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5513.99,5514.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: —nonprofit sector that is full of people advocating for a better world in various ways. There's a Peace and Justice Booth, which used to be called the Politics Booth, which is stuffed with groups advocating for their Peace and Justices. Right now, NAACP is in our booth, in that booth. Oh. So many peace and justice organizations are in that booth. There's the Green Earth Booth that is stuffed with environmental groups advocating for a better world in their way. There's a Health and Healing Booth. There's, a Lifelong Learning Booth. There's the Fruit Booth that is now just Growers Market, all the other co-ops have bit the dust.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5514.61,5573.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was in the Fruit Booth until Elliott was about two. And you know, I, I just, I really wasn't that useful in the Fruit Booth and I thought I would go to one more Village meeting because I loved it so much. I just felt bad taking up the pass. And at that booth [meeting], the gal who had been coordinating the little co-op childcare booth that she wasn't going to come back and did somebody else want to take that? And so that's— I've— it was a very little booth then. Now it's a much larger booth and we provide childcare from nine in the morning through eight at night, before the Fair opens till after the Fair closes and we provide a fabulous experience. We, you know, we get kids who— it's really, really hard for their parents to get them to leave the booth because it's, it's such a great— it's really terrific.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5574.61,5633.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Have you had anything to do with the Culture Jam? The—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5633.34,5635.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: No. Okay. Another thing that the Fair does is in August we have a camp for teenagers, an arts and empowerment camp where we— it's at one when they first got started, they had a lot of girls and not as many boys and a lot of younger teens, not as many older teens.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5635.97,5657.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And at one point, my pal Martha, who was involved with it, asked me if I wouldn't like to ask some of my students in Oakridge if they wouldn't want to be part of it. And I just did not feel comfortable doing that. I said, you know, I wouldn't like it if some proselytizing Christian asked Elliott if he wanted to come to their summer camp at his school. I just feel it is our proselytizing mission. We get those kids in there and we tell them, you know, you can be a creative artist, you can change the world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5658.67,5688.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You can— this is, this is how you can do it. This is how you can relate to each other. We confiscate their cell phones when they come in. We— I have seen so many kids that that camp has turned around that they have gone in there, you know, whining and surly and miserable and come out— “Wow.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5688.83,5709.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How many kids are at the camp?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5709.37,5711.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Not enough.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5711.8,5712.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: It's, oh yeah. I don't know the number, but you know, it's, it's definitely a lottery now. At one point Margaret, Margaret Cormier was having a lot of trouble with her eldest and I really wanted to get him into that camp. I wanted to get him in so bad. And they do do a lot of— they balance boys and girls. They balance people of color. They balance people from other geographically balanced— people of different class backgrounds. He had a lot going for him for possibly getting into that camp, but it didn't work out and they, they were already full by the time I started.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5713.5,5753.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: I think City Parks and Recreation is involved and the city is involved with promoting Culture Jam.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5753.5,5759.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Yep. We got them to do a lot of the funding, which, because we— also, if you don’t have money, we try and make it happen. Our whole Spring Fling now is a fundraiser for Culture Jam.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5759.32,5774.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: How long does the Fair last?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5775.4,5776.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: The Fair is only Friday, Saturday and Sunday.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5777.04,5781.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5781.11,5781.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: But if you're addicted, you're part of main camp, you go out there the beginning of June and start camping because the construction— the Fair site is in a flood plain. We take a whole lot of it down afterwards and set a whole lot of it back up in June.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5781.78,5801.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: They own the land now though, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5801.51,5804.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Yes. We own the land. We are no longer— it used to be, we weren't allowed to show up until like three days before. And we're still, we're having some struggles with Land Watch Oregon. I mean they have a— they're part of Peace and Justice in Community Village and yet, they continue appealing our special use permit saying, we're not a good neighbor. Whereas now especially after we banned drugs and alcohol, the County loves us, we're a big economic engine. The neighbors who used to really, really not like us, they now all run campgrounds during the Fair. They make more money on those campgrounds than they do the whole rest of the year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5804.01,5851.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Wow. Can you articulate the mission of the Oregon Country Fair?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5851.41,5856.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Boy, I should've brought my guidelines with me. I stopped carrying them around after the Fair. If you'd asked me ten years ago, I would've had it in my head. If you asked me last month I would have whipped it out. “To explore living artfully and authentically—“ Yeah, I forget.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5857.67,5887.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So part of it is, is to support the crafters and part of it is to show the public how things can be. In Community Village, we originally did a lot, a lot of energy work and now Energy Park has split off from Community Village. And so that's the other nonprofit sector.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5891.05,5917.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's two now. And they have a lot of permaculture stuff. A lot of solar stuff. You can take a solar shower there. And then Robert DeSpain started the spoken word program and we have folks come in who tell people interesting things about how we could have a better world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5917.37,5946.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Would you mind spelling his name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5947.43,5948.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: D-e- Capital S-p-a-i- n. He died suddenly last year. It was a big, big loss to the Fair.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5949.07,5958.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was one of the founders of Community Village. He also founded the hospitality program, which supports wrist banded people in getting showers and water and food during the Fair. A lot of the people who put the Fair together take a lot of time off from work to do it and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5960.13,5990.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Seems that half of Eugene shuts down for people going out there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5990.38,5994.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Yeah, and especially the construction crews and the site crews during June, you pretty much have to either be a school teacher or have a job where you're senior enough to have so much flexibility that you could, like Hilary is an accountant, she works sixty hours a week during tax season and not at all during June.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=5994.71,6023.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Mm-hmm [affirmative].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=6023.45,6025.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Or, be extremely under-employed, or be retired.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=6025.95,6030.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can I ask you some questions about aging both in the Oregon Country Fair world and in the lesbian community and the other communities that you move in and that you move in?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=6031.62,6042.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Well, I didn't snap back from breaking my arm the way I might have when I was young.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=6043.24,6049.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I forget names. I still camp at the Fair. We have a bus now, Late Night Trips, where if you have a wristband and you just can't face dragging all that stuff in and waiting in line for the potties, you can take the bus back at 10:00 or midnight on Friday and at 11:00 or 1:00 on Saturday and sleep in town.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=6054.01,6088.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We have a thing now at the Fair where if you have twenty years in as a volunteer and are fifty-five years old, you can be an Elder and you pay for your pass, which isn't any different for Community Villagers, we pay for our pass, but is a big shock for people on crews, because passes were free. And you don't get food vouchers anymore, which again, Community Village never got food vouchers, but staff people did. Other crews did. And at that time, fifty-five seemed really old to us and we're in constant discussion now about whether really we should start ratcheting that off a little bit. There are a lot, a lot of Elders, many of us still work at our original jobs. Some of us get our passes through our original jobs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=6094.41,6149.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Others get our passes through Elders in order that, for instance, in my case there can be one more person taking care of the kids in the booth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=6149.95,6159.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you feel respected as an Elder at Fair?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=6160.84,6163.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: More now than when the Elders program first was formed. Our general manager at the time, Charlie Ruff, who I thought a lot of in many ways really didn't think the Elders were a good idea. And was constantly reminding us that, it's the only crew that the Fair has no control over, that it's always going to be expanding and expanding. And we kept saying, well, eventually we'll start dying off. I'm so sorry we're not dying off fast enough. And then I realized that it's not— we can never die off fast enough because the Fair is continually adding more crews and every crew, except Community Village, when they need more workers, they just add more— Well, Hilary tells me this isn't really as true as I thought it was, but it is true that there's a lot more people to staff Xavanadu, you know we have a whole new White Bird? Yeah, I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=6165.11,6234.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She's, she's still looking for— when you sign up to get a pass, if you're in Community Village or many of the other crews, you go through the virtual sticker booth, but all the security crews and many of the vendors, there's not one database for everybody who's got a pass through the Fair. So, and she keeps, she's one of the co- treasurers and the, let's see, the second— I camped with Sally the first year that I was in the Village and then I camped with Hilary for several years after that and now she's gone on to become one of the people who runs the Fair. 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So we've been struggling with that in Community Village. Peace and Justice Booth, we now have a sector in the Peace and Justice Booth called the Rainbow Village part. For me it's a thing that all of the— let's see, all of the Community Village discussions about it online and I assume, that even the ones I missed in person, they always refer to queer women. No one says lesbian. It's always— it's so interesting to me that I am a relic. But, right, the costuming, the giant puppets— yeah. 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I mean, I'm so excited when I see my old Starflower buddies come in for the day. 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They felt, that— yeah. You'd have to ask her about it, but I'm not hearing any, any how they're going to come back soon. I remember there's a group called du Caniveaux that anchors a stage up on River Loop. One of my first, first, first Fairs, they were just playing on the path and they did a little skit called Extramarital, extramarital relations don't always turn out like you think they will. Extramarital— [Singing].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=6439.22,6481.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I just thought it was so hilarious and their visuals while they were doing it, had them putting their arms over some people that they were not— and at one point the guys are putting their arms over the guys and gals and putting their arms—and I was like, “Oh my goodness, look at this. My world is whole, this is so great.” And they’re still there. So then they, they went to France, they were called “The Gutter People” and then they were called du Caniveaux, which apparently is French for the gutter people. 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They're trying to get the older—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=6559.89,6563.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/312","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Yeah. Yeah. And the last one was so great. So I need to have a little, I've mentioned it to Elliott, but I haven't gotten a commitment. 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I retired from my teacher job and I had a fabulous time traveling and taking classes at the U of O and working in my garden, reading and lying around and going out to lunch and dinner with all my friends and then Elliott and Lily had a kid and I started taking care of the kid and that's what I do now. And I'm kind of full time taking care of two kids and— so I don't have as much free time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=6577.87,6615.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/315","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. Do you feel that amongst older lesbians that there's much community?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=6615.25,6620.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/316","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: I know there must be and I don't, yeah, I don't feel as connected.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=6622.18,6629.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And you know, there's— Marlene in particular, who's in my booth at the Fair, who I went camping with, who loves Elliott so much, who I'm still close to in many ways has been real clear that she does not consider me a lesbian. I'm sure she would be, she would not know why you even invited me. She's just that's—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=6630.03,6651.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: That affects your social interaction with the community?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=6652.17,6654.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/319","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Mm-hmm [affirmative].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=6654.86,6655.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What if you were to, thinking about this interview being seen in twenty years or by younger people, like right now, because there's quite a lot of interest of younger people to hear your stories. Is there anything you would say directly to young people about from your wisdom of your life here in Eugene?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=6655.49,6679.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: We had a really good time. We had a culture. 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Because I said, here, this is it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=6696.21,6700.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is, this explains my whole life here. You can ask questions about all of these little references that she made to the culture that we had. And I will explain them to you, honey. It was— we had something fabulous, fabulous.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=6700.9,6718.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We— so, through her website, let's see, first it was her blog—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=6719.18,6728.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Alison Bechdel's?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=6729.61,6730.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/327","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Yeah. She had a blog and she was, I don't know when she slept, she was still doing her strip regularly. She was working on the first book and she was writing about everything and several of us were— formed a little community on that blog. And then it, when she finally backed off, it moved over to Facebook. And one of the gals who I became very close with lived in Texas, Maggie Jochild.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=6730.12,6764.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/328","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we, she had lived here at one time and she was very— it was— I just— she's a fabulous writer, a wonderful, wonderful writer. She was severely disabled. She was not able to get out of bed, but a timeless writer. And she also, because her writing was so alluring, became very close with another gal who had blogged on Alison's blog and they fell in love and Margot traveled here from England where she lives and we were all like, “Oh, I hear her on the stairs.” And they were really, really happy for several years, you know, four weeks a year during Margot's two week va— And then they Skyped every day and then Maggie died. And the next year, one of the other gals from the blog, Cheryl, said, “Why don't we all come to OreGaia and remember Maggie there.” I wonder if you're familiar with OreGaia? After Michigan was no more—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=6765.48,6838.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/329","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Michigan Women's Music Festival?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=6838.74,6839.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/330","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Yeah, there grew up several smaller events in different parts of the country and OreGaia, I think this last year was the third year OreGaia and Margo flew in from England and I got to meet her and another gal from Portland who I had met as part of Alison's blog.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=6839.99,6863.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Cheryl came down and we all, we camped together there. And it was— I saw women who I hadn't seen since the first few years that I was here, women from southern Oregon, that's where I met Pelican and got that book from her. And there were young women there and a lot of really old women. And it was just a wonderful, wonderful experience. I just loved it so much. And we had a little ritual for Maggie and we had, there was music, there were workshops, we did this fabulous workshop on radical neurodiversity that has just changed my life. I've decided that I— that all those—I must have the adding machine right here. I mean there's a reason for all of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=6863.64,6919.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/332","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And this year I was so looking forward to going back this year, but they have it on the full moon in August. 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I said, do you know which one? Because I'm going to, I'm going to block that out. And they said, “No, we're not going to make that decision for a long, long time.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=6935.17,6951.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/335","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: I think it's interesting to think about how others identified you as not lesbian—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=6951.62,6961.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/336","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=6961.71,6962.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/337","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: —of the community that you're describing and the younger people who have different definitions and whether you have any thoughts about how the younger generation is doing sexual identity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=6962.79,6974.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/338","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Well, I had a little chat with Karrie. I wonder if you know Karrie?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=6974.89,6977.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/339","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She's in our booth, she's so great. And it was a thing and of course Marlene doesn't think she's lesbian either. 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Is there any advice that you would give to younger people now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=7008.91,7023.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Well, I go right away, we haven't mentioned any of the dark side.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=7023.76,7028.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/346","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"First I say, “Oh, it's going to get better and better” and then I think of what happened in the last presidential election and what has happened since then. And I just don't know, I just don't know what to say. We thought we were this wave and for so long it seemed like we were this wave. Marijuana is legal. You can get married if you want to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=7029.9,7058.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/347","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But, yeah I don't know. Of course I'd say love each other. Love each other. Eat rice— Don't forget our books. 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One that popped into my mind that it is— Beyond the Pale. It's a historical fiction. It starts in Eastern Europe and ends up in Brooklyn. And maybe it's not the most best well- written book in the world, but it's history and it's, yeah I should've thought of that. 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Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=7152.91,7153.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/357","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Name, names go. There was a gal who was at the Fair, a famous, famous gal, a women's music star. Elliott liked having a little Shabbat in our booth and before he was doing that, one night we're having a little Shabbat at the Hat Booth right across from Main Stage and she was singing after the Fair closed. And it was so sweet for me, I could just step a little closer to the booth and be singing and then I could step a little closer to Main Stage and be singing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=7154.17,7199.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/358","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I just knew that wasn't going to work this year with Phil. But I don't know how it worked in the Hat Booth, but it wasn't going to work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=7201.52,7209.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/359","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Is there any, before we close, is there any other particular memory or thought or idea you'd like to make sure you cover?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=7209.69,7220.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/360","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: I guess, it may be that I'm one of those straight gals who nourished myself on lesbian culture without giving back, that are criticized often. 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And she finally gave him the boot and she started exploring adopting at the same time as she started dating, interviewing donors, potential partners. And finally one day, I wonder if you interviewed Leila Snow? There's another interesting lesbian. Leila Snow had gotten married and I had come home and I was in the backyard working in the garden and talking with Sue on the phone. And I said, I'll commit. This is it, let's get a house and I'll help you raise your kid and let's do it. And we did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=7297.36,7356.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/362","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it's just, I've, I just, I love her more and more every year. She is just the greatest.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=7356.83,7363.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/363","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shortly after that, she began seeing this guy who lived in Portland and after we finally found a house, he said, okay, I'll move to Eugene. And he's been more of a father to Jyoti than we ever thought he'd be. But, like most guys, not as much as she could have used. And if he'd been more of a, more like a woman, more of a communicative person, there might not have been room for me. But he's not, he's like most guys, it's like, he's not, and I've just been so happy. I think he doesn't, he would be just as happy if I wasn't there. He thinks he'd be just as happy as I wasn't if I wasn't there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=7364.46,7413.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/364","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But it wouldn't really work out. And I'd probably be just as happy, although, especially when Jyoti was young, it was important that he'd still be there. But we both just love Sue so much that it's not—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=7413.49,7424.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/365","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What's the difference in age between your child and her child?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=7424.05,7426.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/366","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Oh, Elliott just wanted Sue to have a kid so much. He wanted to have a sibling. And by the time we finally got Jyoti, he was like thirteen or fourteen. But they're not close. They try to be close, but they're not. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=7426.37,7446.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/367","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So you have a lot of experience in creating families.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=7446.05,7450.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/368","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=7450.73,7452.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/369","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Really strong families.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=7452.04,7453.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/370","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: Yeah. There.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=7453.46,7464.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/371","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Thank you so much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=7465.01,7466.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/372","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Such a pleasure talking to you. So wonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=7466.57,7469.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/373","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elliott: It's fun to talk.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=7469.56,7470.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/374","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[END OF INTERVIEW]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608#t=7470.43,7470.53"}]},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56408/file/130608/transcript/92625/annotation/375","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/625/original/870_Coll520_do067_aligned.vtt?1776852383","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/625/original/870_Coll520_do067_aligned.vtt?1776852383"}]}]}]}