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I'm sorry, today is Thursday, May 11 [2023]. My name is Martin Bennett. I am Instructor Emeritus of History at Santa Rosa Junior College. Today I am interviewing Professor Jack Maddex, and the interview is taking place on the University of Oregon campus. Jack, can you tell me a little bit about your family background and your upbringing? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4.0,46.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, yes, Dennis. Oh, pardon me, Marty. (laughter) We've been saying these different names. I grew up in central Virginia in a town of about twenty-five hundred people, Orange, Virginia, right in the middle of the Piedmont. Developed a strong interest in history early on, partly because of what I knew of that area. I developed a strong interest in the rise and fall of the Southern Confederacy. And the things about that. Went to Princeton to college. Developed interests that led me into becoming a professional historian. Grad school at University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill during the heavy civil rights activities in '63, '64 especially. Then got a job at the University of Oregon, coming here as an assistant professor in 1966. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=46.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And on a spectrum of from conservative to liberal, how would you characterize your parents? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=120.0,130.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, my parents were definitely conservatives. My parents were segregationists in that they wanted to continue the system as they could. They were not extremists as things were reckoned at that time and that situation. But definitely conservative. My father was a small businessman whose outlook very much reflected the, you know, his meeting the public. Being there it's a tough situation. A lot of deep-seated American conservatism comes out of that. It was strange to watch in the sixties, the recrudescence of the small business community within the radical movement of the counterculture. Because you would have seen it all along Telegraph [Ave., Berkeley, California], for example, in Berkeley at that time, but—\n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=130.0,193.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I used to say it was the counterculture went from the counterculture to the over-the-counterculture. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=193.0,200.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. But my father was part of a different and earlier tradition. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=200.0,207.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Got it. And were your parents religious? Were your family affiliated with a church or synagogue? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=207.0,213.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, my father had been brought up as a Baptist, but my parents were active in the Presbyterian Church. I became active in youth matters very early, pursued these both in campus religious—and, by the way, the mid-sixties was the high tide in all of American history of campus religious ministry. It's remarkable, the real engagement there was at that time with the academic world, with social problems, and so on. And my basic formation and approach to the things that I later did in the radical movement was a Christian religious approach. Although in the course of my young socialist activities at Princeton, I had a Marxian social science and historical outlook that was leading me, ironically, to try to underplay and conceal that in and around the movement. For that reason, Marty, when I taught the history of American religious life here, I would briefly talk about things in regard to the sixties and the different inputs. But I have always believed that conventional historical methods will probably always underestimate the role of religious motivation in the movements of the sixties, simply because there were some of us who were trying to conceal it (chuckle) as far as in the movement. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=213.0,320.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But on the religious front, you became a Presbyterian? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=320.0,324.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=324.0,325.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And was that after you left home at Princeton? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=325.0,329.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, that was my upbringing, religious affiliation. It is my religious affiliation to this day. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=329.0,337.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=337.0,338.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I know my theological ideals are Calvinist in formation. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=338.0,343.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Got it. And you said at Princeton you were influenced by Marxist thought? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=343.0,352.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, I delved into it a lot and read the Marxist classics there and—my orientation to Southern history has some deep, traditional, organic ideas within it. But I could see how these could, in fact, tie in. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=352.0,375.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Very good. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=375.0,375.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My focus has always been on the change of all things that I think will happen at the second coming of Christ. But the socialist revolution was the way of testifying to that, within this part of history. It was what I could do, to do my little part and to make the world anew. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=375.0,407.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So this fusion or overlapping of Marxism and Presbyterianism, that was pretty central to who you were as a young person. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=407.0,422.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Very much. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=422.0,425.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay and a— \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=425.0,427.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As a young person, that is from about later college years into early years of my academic career here. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=427.0,434.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay, good. And as you suggested, you were at University of North Carolina at a real high tide of the civil rights movement. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=434.0,450.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. Ellen [Maddex] and I were in the Chapel Hill Street sit-down in 1964. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=450.0,456.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In 1964, and tell me who organized that, what was— \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=456.0,461.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's an interesting story, Marty. Chapel Hill was a different kind of southern community then. Chapel Hill actually had a fully integrated junior high school. When, you know there were only, in the rest of North Carolina, you'd only see a few black students in what was otherwise an all-white school. Although their elementary schools and their high school were still segregated. Chapel Hill, they're centered around sit-ins at businesses. The great majority of all businesses, including eating places in Chapel Hill, were integrated, but there were about eighteen or nineteen or twenty hardcore ones that were segregated. And in addition to sit-ins at them, the strategy there and CORE was the main organization involved there. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=461.0,520.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The Congress on Racial Equality. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=520.0,523.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, there was a very active CORE chapter we had, which began in a way out of the Student Peace Union. The SPU activities at Chapel Hill were mostly around civil rights because that was the big issue there. We were actually trying to bring, by direct action means, to bring pressure on the town government to pass a public accommodations ordinance. Like what the Civil Rights Act of 1964 finally did. And several of the aldermen were for it and several were against it. And, you know, we'd hope to turn things by pressure, filling the jails and things like that, to where that would shift. It may not have been a real great strategy. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=523.0,581.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But would you call yourself a civil rights activist during graduate school? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=581.0,586.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, insofar as time at grad school would possibly permit that. I was stretched all over the place, whipsawed every direction, both then and in my first years teaching here, of course. But trying, and falling in love with Ellen and getting married and so forth, trying to get all these things held together, but— \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=586.0,612.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then you become a specialist in the American South. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=612.0,617.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=617.0,617.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And was your area [of specialization] Reconstruction [1865-1877] or pre-Civil War? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=617.0,622.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I would say primarily Reconstruction, but it developed more as I went along toward pre-Civil War to look at the—I was most interested in tracing southern conservatives who had been pro-slavery confederates as they adapted to living in the Reconstruction South. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=622.0,644.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And was your interest in Reconstruction, did the civil rights, the contemporary civil rights movement at that time, influence your topic or your specialty? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=644.0,654.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. And what I was studying in the past influenced how I saw and taught the modern civil rights movement, too. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=654.0,662.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Very good. So you get a job in 1966 at the University of Oregon. What was your entree to the anti-war movement, would you say? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=662.0,682.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well. The YPSL people I knew in New York knew the name of one student who had been very active in the anti-war movement here. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=682.0,694.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"YPSL is? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=694.0,696.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Young People's Socialist League, the youth branch of the Socialist Party, but it was largely dominated by old time Shachtmanite [Max Shachtman] ideas. And, Bill was still active. I forget his last name. I believe that began with an m, when I got here in '66, but not in the absolute middle of things. We started asking around very quickly and got aware of the—well, let me go back and tell you what I know about before '66 here. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=696.0,741.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, go ahead. Because the anti-war movement had some stirrings, I would say, in '64, '65. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=741.0,751.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. I know that there was an early prominent teach-in here [April 1965] because I actually remember before I came here seeing pictures of it in some national publication. I know that there was an organized faculty-student committee against the war [Faculty-Student Committee to Stop the War in Vietnam]. It was interesting. It had a faculty chair and a student chair. It was kind of two groups working together in what they knew was a coalition. But there were some people who were pretty good in relating. On the faculty side, one who left us in 1967 to go to Simon Fraser, was Kathleen Aberle. Known here if you look for her professional anthropological credentials, you'll find her as Kathleen Gough, G-o-u-g-h. She was an English woman of genteel upbringing who became a very radical sociologist, was a very strong partisan of the National Liberation Front and the later People's Republic in Vietnam. She gave the university notice when they began to make grades a factor in draft deferments that she would no longer assign grades and they took that as meaning she would have to be severed from the university. She got a job at Simon Fraser University and later was in that department that got abolished there and fought through the courts for years and years. You may have heard about that, that social science department. But Kathleen, I think, may have been a very good link between the most liberal faculty and the most radical students, because she really could work with both very, very well. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=751.0,896.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So this early campus anti-war organization, the Faculty-Student Committee to End the War in Vietnam, she played a kind of pivotal role in that? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=896.0,905.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I felt she did. But I don't—I wasn't here in the earliest '66, so I'm not sure. That group, I went to their first big meeting in the fall. There were a lot of faculty and a lot of students there. Increasingly, during the year, those two groups were growing apart. Now, by the way, there had been at least one march, whether it got downtown, I don't know, but it was certainly in the campus area in '66. I saw pictures of it in the Eugene newspapers later. But things were growing apart partly because of what was happening with SDS [Students for a Democratic Society]. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=905.0,958.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And there was a predecessor to SDS called Students for a Socialist Action. And then towards the end of '65, they affiliate with National SDS. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=958.0,974.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Possibly. Now, Marty, my impression is that during '66 and '67, probably all of '67, the SDS group here, was not in any real way affiliated with National SDS. In fact, I'm not sure it was even when you got here in '68, it was becoming so I think, it did become so. I got the impression, as I watched them at their table on the EMU [Erb Memorial Union] that the SDS here in most of '66 was ceasing to be a political organization at all. Lee [economics graduate student] and Brandi Feldman were, Brandi was really the public face. She was always at the table. And I heard Brandi herself say, and I heard others say, describe SDS as the hippie fraternity. But they were, you know, wherever they were doing something, it was about culture, sex, and drugs. And you knew they were against the war in Vietnam. You knew they were against racism. But it seemed to me to be much more a counter-culture organization than a political organization. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=974.0,1062.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. And my informants suggests that this Students for Socialist Action turned into SDS. They were involved in this one march you refer to and then a vigil in April of '65. But then there's a demise there, in terms of being an active force on campus. But then later on, when really a new generation comes to the campus and into SDS, there's a revival in '68 for sure. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1062.0,1099.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I certainly felt that way. Now, meanwhile, there were anti-war activities going on regularly. Early in '67, I spoke at a table at the EMU, where they were opposing the Marine Corps recruiters coming there. Several of us made speeches at that. And that may have been on the activity of the Faculty-Student Committee, but the Faculty-Student Committee was ceasing to exist as such. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1099.0,1144.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1144.0,1145.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Later in that year, either late winter term or early spring term. I went to what was supposed to be a meeting of the Faculty-Student Committee where they were going to elect a new student chairman and a new faculty chairman. I think I was the only faculty member there. The students who were dominating it and pretty much managing it were anarchists who nevertheless knew how to run meetings so they would control them. And Lee Feldman was the most vocal. Lee was talking about the need to have a napalm demonstration. I know there were such things a few years later. I don't know if there were many actually going on then, but he was talking about it and definitely on having a table where you would demonstrate napalm in such a way that a number of the bystanders would get smattered by it. And yeah, it was easy in that situation to ask how many people would be interested and get a lot of hands to go up. But I also heard later from a number of students who just backed out of that organization at that point, because they didn't want to be affiliated with the way it seemed to be going. That napalm demonstration never happened either, but it was something to talk about. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1145.0,1237.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I found no record of that. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1237.0,1240.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"(coughing) No, it didn't. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1240.0,1241.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But the Faculty-Student Committee may also appear labeled as the Faculty-Student Coalition, but that essentially was going into the dustbin of history by the end of 1967. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1241.0,1260.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I would say that in that organizational form it was. On the other hand, all the activists, both faculty and students, were still there. They were doing their separate things. Faculty politics had a lot to do with the war. There was still a university faculty meeting where all the faculty and many others who had faculty status would have votes. And I think our second or third meeting of the year, we were fighting over resolutions objecting to making grading a factor in draft deferments. There was a strong faculty group that was for a strong resolution there. There was a larger group that managed to come up with a co-optive resolution that essentially negated that. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1260.0,1315.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. But the faculty by '67, the faculty-student collaboration, that your colleague Kathleen Gough, had helped bring together, that was really splitting apart? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1315.0,1329.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1329.0,1329.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1329.0,1330.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's what I would say, even though, there were active student activities and active faculty activities going on. I managed to be in touch with and speaking at a lot of the student ones. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1330.0,1343.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay, good. Two, questions: one, King in '67 breaks with the Johnson administration and comes out against the war. Did that impact you or is that something you were surprised by? What was your reaction to King? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1343.0,1370.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was glad he did what he did then, and it didn't have much of a particular effect on me, but a lot of people were commenting on it. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1370.0,1381.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Good. And around '67, how would you characterize your reasons for opposition to the war and involvement in the anti-war movement? Was it the wrong war in the wrong place? Was it moral? Did you see this as colonial or neocolonial? How would you characterize your opposition? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1381.0,1407.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, it's interesting, Marty. I went, in a way, the opposite direction from the way I was trying to draw people to go. You know, my basic commitment in regard to civil rights matters, of course, came from my experience in the South and my view of southern history. But in regard to a lot of civil rights matters and in regard to everything I did in regard to in the peace movement, I really went from my concern for socialism into my concern for peace and opposition to American foreign policy and American imperialism. I would say that my views of American imperialism were a large manner similar to William Appleman Williams [University of Wisconsin and Oregon State University historian] because I learned a lot that from his studies of later American history. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1407.0,1475.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And his book, The Tragedy of American Diplomacy, was very important for me as an undergraduate. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1475.0,1481.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. The book that, when I was at Princeton, his book which I have somewhere on the shelf behind me, The Contours of American History, came out. And while I was in grad school, his book The Great Evasion, came out. These were both cosmic views of the whole sweep of American history and I was looking at it within that framework. I'm not sure that I ever quite adopted the Williams view that American imperialism worked mainly by exports, but I certainly saw that as an important— (both speakers speaking) \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1481.0,1526.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Named the system as an imperial[ist] system. Okay, great. So in '67, there's something called Vietnam Summer where there was a couple hundred volunteers who— \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1526.0,1545.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"—Vietnam Summer was obviously an imitation of Mississippi Summer. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1545.0,1549.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Freedom Summer in 1964. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1549.0,1550.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. And there were a lot of activities going on. One thing that some of us on the faculty did, we figured on campus there would be so many teachers coming back to get more credentials and so on, we held a once-a-week session that summer school that a lot people— (both speakers speaking)\n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1550.0,1574.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"For people who were involved in the Vietnam Summer?\n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1574.0,1575.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, different faculty speaking each week about how they're different, they looked at the war through their different disciplines, what they had to contribute. And drew in a number of people. But there were also volunteers going door to door talking to people about the war. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1575.0,1596.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, of course, your approach was principally through the campus then? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1596.0,1600.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1600.0,1601.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. And then in October, there's going to be a week of picketing the draft board. And seventy students, up to seventy students, a day are going to be picketing the draft board. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1601.0,1617.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And there was a sit-in at the draft board. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1617.0,1619.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then there would be a sit-in and students were going to be arrested. Twenty-one were arrested in October of '67 as a consequence of that sit-in. Now, there's one dissertation came out in 1970 [Neil Murray, University of Oregon Dept. of Education] And it compared the student movements more broadly at OSU [Oregon State University] and the University of Oregon. And this guy contends that, quote, \"Students were growing more militant than the faculty,\" at this particular time. Would you say that that was accurate? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1619.0,1663.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, I would. I would say that the students saw themselves as less part of a system. There was a lot of critique of the university system of courses that you'll remember from years later. I think of 1967-68 as the Bill Watson [mathematics graduate student and SDS leader] year, in the sense that '69-'70 would have been the Jeff Freed [political science graduate student and SDS and Revolutionary Union leader] year. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1663.0,1690.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Both were leaders of SDS? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1690.0,1692.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. Bill Watson came in as a, I assume, brilliant math grad student. Within weeks, it seems to me, I first met him at a table at the EMU, where he was writing a letter to the editor of The New York Times, and we introduced ourselves to each other. Within a few weeks, he was in a position to ask me if I would be—they still required a faculty advisor for student organizations—the SDS advisor. Probably in one of the early weeks of that fall, he was up in front of an audience in maybe 138 Commonwealth or something leading an SDS meeting. At that meeting, the reason I think it was very early was that it was in connection—when I walked into that meeting and saw on the blackboard, The Spirit of Che Lives [Che Guevara, the Cuban revolutionary]. And I didn't even know Che was dead. He had died on October 9. And I heard that what had happened was that early on in the meeting, Mike, I think the name was Mike DeLay, who had been the president of SDS a year or two earlier, had been disliking the way Bill was running things and making some incoherent remarks, and he had written The Spirit of Che Lives and walked out of the meeting. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1692.0,1790.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"For the for those listening. Che Guevara was a famous Cuban revolutionary, and later would go to Bolivia and attempt to overthrow the government there as he and Fidel Castro and their comrades did in Cuba in 1959. But he would be—he would die in the jungles of Bolivia, I believe. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1790.0,1823.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In October of '67. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1823.0,1825.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, in '67, right. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1825.0,1828.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My observation of that meeting as of ones earlier was that the leaders of the SDS organization were anarchists, but they were able to make their meetings look totally unstructured while keeping tight control of them. At one point, somebody got up and expressed his interest in a program of National SDS that he was hoping would be launched on this campus. And Bill Watson, at the head, said, \"That's interesting. Have you written to National SDS about this?\" And then went on to the next topic. (light laughter) They were—I don't have the insights into the very inside of it. I think the [David] Gwythers can tell you more about that than I can. (both speakers speaking) \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1828.0,1887.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, and I will interview David Gwyther. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1887.0,1890.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I saw what I saw in the way meetings were run and that was the impression I had of what was happening. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1890.0,1897.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And what was your kind of faculty home, as it were, in terms of anti-war activity, after the Faculty-Student Committee seems to go into demise?\n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1897.0,1911.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There were always groups I was in touch with, and I'm not sure if I can give you the names of who was doing exactly what. But we were constantly involved in things, in faculty protests, and getting signatures of the colleagues in your department on national petitions and the issues in the faculty meeting related to the war, of which there were always many. Sometimes in political campaigns of anti-war candidates, and I did not get as involved in faculty caucuses in the time that you were here after '68 as I did in working with the radical students, actually. I think they valued me. The students valued me as a speaker. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1911.0,1970.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, yes, yes. And in February of '68 there's a [anti-war] professor, George Streisinger, if I remember, he was a biologist or a chemist? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1970.0,1989.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was in the Institute of Molecular Biology. I believe he was in the biology department, but maybe one of the other science departments. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1989.0,1997.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And he debates a Dow [Chemical] representative and brings up the whole issue of napalm and the Geneva Accords. And then in March— \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=1997.0,2008.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was not at that meeting. I was at the meeting where Dr. Spock spoke later in the month [February 1968]. I told you how my wife, Ellen, organized a group of young mothers to show up at the airport, greeting Dr. Spock, thanking him for his peace- and child-rearing activities and got some publicity out of it. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2008.0,2028.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I think that was the Women's International League for Peace and Freedom. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2028.0,2032.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It probably was not organized here locally by then. They were in a town, a community-based organization, that had a lot of faculty wives and grad students and grad student wives in it. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2032.0,2046.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. Yes. And then you were likely a signatory to, in March of '68, there was a letter signed by sixty faculty in support of those students who were going to choose to turn their draft cards in. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2046.0,2068.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I do not remember whether I was one of the signers of that. You can probably find the list. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2068.0,2076.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then later in '68, the faculty were going to vote to send a letter to the Selective Service when they abolished graduate student deferments. And SDS was, I think, revitalizing itself, but parallel on campus and the community was the Resistance. Did you work with that group or did you have students that you knew of to turn their draft cards in? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2076.0,2109.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"From what I could see, and I did go to one of the first, maybe the first, big rally of the Resistance in the EMU. The organizers of that were grad students. They were grad students who had been against the war all along. And draft resistance now became their key focus of anti-war activity. And that really brought the draft to a greater prominence than it had either earlier or later and resistance to the draft. So that was a very important thing. I do not remember having been particularly tapped by that group. But I think sometime in '68 is probably, you know, the draft was what everybody was talking about until you got in the spring term of '69, where it was African-American student demands that, here and elsewhere, crowded everything else out of prominence and I don't notice much about that in your timeline, that part, but that wasn't as war-related. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2109.0,2196.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was some overlap, going back to King. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2196.0,2200.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was one interesting incident. Sometime in there, it's probably during the year 1968. KWAX, the student [campus radio] broadcasting, had called me up and asked me if I would be on a panel to discuss and debate the draft. There would be three speakers. One would be me. One would be Lois Barton, who was from the World Without War Council. By the way, they were the right wing of the peace movement and you may not hear as much about them as you should. But they had some important faculty contacts through their national organization here. And the third would be Randy Gragg of the YAF [Young Americans for Freedom]. I don't know if Randy was still here when you were here, but the head of the Young Americans for Freedom.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2200.0,2258.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Grahams— \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2258.0,2259.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Randy Gragg, G-r-a-g-g. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2259.0,2267.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2267.0,2270.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now, as soon as I heard that panel, I realized that KWAX had probably made a blunder. They probably figured that when you're having peaceniks, who do you get to debate them? You go to the YAF. By that time, though, Randy had been a student of mine in four classes, including a research seminar, and I knew very well that Randy was strongly committed to the principle that the U.S. armed forces should be an all-volunteer force, which also was the YAF official position then. So we really had a group of people who differed a lot about the war and its issues, but who would uniformly come rehearse all the different reasons for opposing the draft. What one of us didn't see as important another would. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2270.0,2328.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I presume the that infamous document by the Selective Service called \"Channeling\" that really slotted people largely based on class, if not race, as to how they were going to be sorted out and whether they were going to be going into the military or not, that was front and center? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2328.0,2353.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I do not remember that as much in that early Resistance meeting. I heard a lot about it later, though. Ramparts [magazine] had some articles about it that made people aware. And yes, that became part of it. Now, in that meeting, though, they had a point and, you know, I don't remember, but it seems to me they were televising. I don't know if KWAX did televise then or not, but they were going to put a number up for people to call in to give their viewpoints, talk radio kind of thing. I suggested that if there were, since all of us were against the draft on the panel, if there were anybody within the reach of our broadcast who was in favor of the draft, would that person please call in (coughing) to make it more of a debate. And in fact, and I don't know how many people even listened to KWAX then, there were no calls later on. And I made the point that, nobody had called in to speak in favor of the draft. The next week, Marty, I ran into one of the organizers of that on campus, and he mentioned to me that they found afterward that they had been showing the wrong phone number. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2353.0,2443.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"People may have tried to call in. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2443.0,2445.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, there may have been some pro-draft, but very few people. There was no big group on campus speaking in favor of the draft. Almost everybody who had a strong opinion about it was against it for one reason or another. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2445.0,2462.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I was also interested in your relationship to the Resistance, just from the standpoint of the kind of religious underpinnings of your kind of intellectual framework. And, you know there were any number of folks who drew directly upon—particularly, you know, Daniel Berrigan would come to campus that fall and speak. He attracted fifteen hundred, two thousand. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2462.0,2494.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I believe he was part of a larger seminar on social issues. I actually think that Father [James] Groppi and William Stringfellow may have been part of that same panel. I know that if they weren't on the same one with Berrigan, at least there was one big group of religious leaders speaking. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2494.0,2519.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. And Father Groppi as I remember was a Wisconsin, if not Milwaukee- or Madison-based— \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2519.0,2527.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Somewhere out there. And he was a priest. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2527.0,2529.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Was he a Jesuit also? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2529.0,2533.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't know. He was a parish priest and in a Black neighborhood and had been strongly in favor of not only the civil rights movement, but all the ghetto uprisings going on in his neighborhood. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2533.0,2547.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I remember him well. So the faculty organization at this time, the end of '68 moving into '69, you would say was relatively loose. But many different faculty were going to be engaged. And in '69, an anti-war activist, Kip Morgan, is elected president of the Associated Students. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2547.0,2590.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, I knew Kip. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2590.0,2592.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And he actually later was going to be indicted, I believe, for whether it was blockading Navy recruiters or destruction of their materials [January 1969]. There was some kind of a confrontation. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2592.0,2611.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Something like that. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2611.0,2612.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And nonetheless, he would get elected [May 1969]. Do you think that the fact that he was so out front in his anti-war activism and he was elected—did that reflect the direction of student opinion? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2612.0,2628.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I would say it did. But the direction, it was a vague, amorphous thing. But you could tell that it was moving in a more radical direction. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2628.0,2639.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2639.0,2639.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the counterculture was part of this. The Black student concerns were part of this. The anti-war movement was part of this. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2639.0,2650.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They were all kind of merging at the time. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2650.0,2652.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, just a lot, a whole lot of convergence going on. Now, Kip, during—you may remember that the presidential position changed hands during that year and passed from Kip to his vice president, Sonya Sweek, who was the one in the spring who made the big speech in the faculty meeting on ROTC [Reserve Officers' Training Corps], spring of '69. And what was going on there was that people noticed that during the whole time he was serving as student body president, Kip was never an enrolled student. In fact, as Kip would privately brag to us, he had not, and probably since before he was elected, been in a classroom for any purpose other than disrupting the class. But he was a rosy-cheeked kid from Roseburg. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2652.0,2727.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was a dyed-in-the-wool Oregonian. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2727.0,2730.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Terrific guy. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2730.0,2734.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then. But his vice president, Sonya Sweek. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2734.0,2740.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sweek. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2740.0,2742.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Takes over that spring. And I presume she had a same orientation. She was anti-war as well. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2742.0,2748.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, yeah. Yeah, most of the ASUO politicians were, too. But certainly Kip and Sonya strongly. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2748.0,2756.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Also during that spring, in April of '69, a chemistry professor, John Froines, was indicted for inciting this riot that occurred in the '68 Democratic Convention in Chicago. Did you did you know Froines? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2756.0,2781.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Therefore, he became one of the Chicago Eight I guess, seven or eight. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2781.0,2787.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Chicago Seven I believe.\n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2787.0,2787.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think it became seven after Bobby Seale had to— (both speakers speaking)\n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2787.0,2790.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, was severed from the case by Judge Hoffman, I think.\n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2790.0,2794.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bobby Seale was on trial in New Haven for something much worse. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2794.0,2798.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2798.0,2799.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And therefore, he couldn't be in the trial in Chicago. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2799.0,2803.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did you know Froines? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2803.0,2804.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. Steve Deutsch [sociology professor] introduced me to John Froines, I'm pretty sure. And John and his wife Ann, and they had a daughter named Becky who was about the same age as our little boy, Bill. Yeah, John was a chemist dealing with photosynthesis. He had been a leading SDS figure, and therefore— \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2804.0,2828.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"—I believe at Yale University, where he was a graduate student. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2828.0,2831.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. And then I think he had almost immediately been on a post-doc somewhere in Europe maybe, but he had gotten hired here. And in the summer he was on the way from there to here. He reunited with his old SDS comrades, and they were involved in the protests at the Democratic convention. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2831.0,2858.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Some would say he got caught up in it and he was kind of a last-minute addition to the planning of those protests. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2858.0,2866.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2866.0,2868.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But did he have a different story. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2868.0,2871.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Let's put it this way—oh, he was a last-minute addition to the planning, yes. But he was in the group. And Herb Titus, in fact— \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2871.0,2881.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"—who was a law professor. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=2881.0,2882.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. Herb Titus said he was prepared to represent John in his legal dealings here from beforehand because they had been figuring through the winter that if the number of defendants got as high as twelve, John would be on the list. And I think maybe John got on the list, particularly because they wanted to have a representative of radical faculty. So, yeah, we knew John and Ann. And John, in fact, had—I think it was John, not one of the other people I knew who had been in Chicago, talking about in the middle of the police crackdown, finding himself and being amazed later, to find himself fighting with a black guy over a beer can that both of them intended to throw at a cop (laughter) if he could get it from the other. I know I heard once, somebody from then, say that, and I think it was John. He also (both speakers speaking) the thing he was most accused of was planting a stink bomb. And when he came back in '69 and spoke here about it, he made it sound, of course, like a ridiculous charge. 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Irv was here '68, '69, '70. John, of course, had gotten on leave to go be on trial in the meantime. But John was back at least once during that year to make a big speech during the trials, and I believe probably twice. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3008.0,3028.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3028.0,3029.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then the third would have been, if I'm right about the twice, would have been when he came back to say that he wasn't—he was completely welcome to come teach and resume his faculty position. But he resigned from it instead. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3029.0,3045.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. And as I remember, the [U of O] president, Robert Clark, was under a lot of pressure to fire Froines. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3045.0,3056.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3056.0,3057.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But he couldn't do that. There was no basis to do it. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3057.0,3061.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My, you know, my faculty contacts, including some who were fairly conservative, were watching to see what came up in the trial about John's own role and could not see anything that should be interfering with this faculty position in anything that was shown in the trial. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3061.0,3084.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right and, ultimately, he resigns and at that time said that he was going to be, quote, \"Joining the movement.\" \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3084.0,3090.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. [Froines said] \"America has made a revolutionary.\" Within six years, he was, I think, the state public health chemist in Vermont. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3090.0,3101.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's right. I think he hooked up. He went to Goddard College, and from there he went to the Department of Health in Vermont. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3101.0,3110.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3110.0,3110.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, somehow, he finally ends up in academia and UCLA and had a very lengthy career and quite active in the environmental justice movement. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3110.0,3123.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. By the end of the times he was back during the trial, he was talking about radical ecology is the direction in which he might carry his photosynthesis work. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3123.0,3135.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, very interesting. Well, let's move on to the fall of '69 which is, of course, The Moratorium [The Moratorium to End the War in Vietnam]. And this moratorium was one day a month there was to be no business as usual, school and work. That this was also planned to be an ongoing and continuing once-a-month protest. And were you involved in The Moratorium? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3135.0,3173.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, everybody was in one way or another. I did not meet classes on those days. I went on the marches, lots of students didn't. The faculty who did hold classes definitely noticed a drop in attendance, a sharp drop in attendance on moratorium days. This, of course, was in, I guess, October and November. That kind of petered out here after that. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3173.0,3202.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, and I think that The Moratorium, I think, disbands by March or April at the national level. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3202.0,3210.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then the New Mob comes in. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3210.0,3212.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. And I don't think it continues past January or February here. But on October 15 [1969] Wayne Morse is going to address a crowd of four thousand or so. And many say that this was really the moment when anti-war opinion, not only for students, but in the general population, you know, was moving into the mainstream. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3212.0,3244.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now, of course, Wayne Morse was a senator from here down until the end of '68. So he was in the mainstream enough to have gotten elected. He got defeated in '68 by Bob Packwood, but narrowly. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3244.0,3262.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. And I think he was first elected to the Senate in 1944. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3262.0,3268.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I believe as a Republican in his early time and then switching (both speakers speaking) over first to Independent and then to Democrat. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3268.0,3275.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But Morse was, of course, one of the two senators who voted no on the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution [August 1964]. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3275.0,3282.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3282.0,3283.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I—did you know Morse, or did you have any interaction with him? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3283.0,3287.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, we sort of did. Through Dorothy Leeper [Democratic Party and WILPF activist] we were involved in his re-election campaigns, and I remember being at an event at the Morse Ranch in as late as his last re-election campaign in '72, which he didn't live to get to Election Day, if I remember, right. The thing about Wayne Morse, the anti-war activists here were not moved by Wayne Morse very much. I think you will remember that. Wayne Morse's anti-war speeches, the ones he gave here, almost all seem to be a repetition of the same speech that these anti-war activists had heard over and over again. You know Morse lived here in Eugene. We heard him a lot. We probably could have heard him more if we had invited him more. When people were looking for a national name speaker to invite to something, Wayne Morse would not be a name that would come up simply because everybody around here had heard so much from him already. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3287.0,3367.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah and I think for younger students like me, here was, you know, the former dean of the law school, then become senator. And, you know, just such a persistent and vociferous critic of the war. I personally found that very attractive. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3367.0,3386.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. But of course, you couldn't deny that he was in the establishment.\n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3386.0,3395.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So The Moratorium is actually a direct connection between the local and the national and the events are quite coordinated. Though I think overall we can say the anti-war movement is very, relatively, decentralized through its entire life. But at what point did you become aware that there was some, there was coordination going on between organizations like the National Moratorium or New Mobilization Against the War? There was a number of coalitions that formed at the national level. At what point were you aware of some coordination going on between the national and the local and what was a very decentralized movement? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3395.0,3446.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, as I've said, I thought that through '66 and '67, SDS here had no connection with National SDS. I don't remember any National SDS speakers coming here in that time. I do not remember when National SDS had programmed specific projects or programs that the local SDS was paying much attention to them. It's obvious that as things were moving in and there were people who had political agendas within the SDS factions, that it was important for them to get involved in National SDS. And I would assume that it was around the time of Paul Gratz's activity, probably when the Gwythers were still around, maybe not. Certainly Jeff Freed with representing what was then the Bay Area Revolutionary Union. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3446.0,3511.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And he was a graduate student in political science. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3511.0,3513.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. Had an organizing agenda. While I greatly differed from Jeff in politics, one of the things I admire is that he was actually able to be a grad student, you know, a presenter of political material, and an organizer of a sectarian group within the same year. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3513.0,3540.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And other, another grad student in physics, Dennis Gilbert, said, \"Yeah.\" And he was, he was married but no children. But he said, \"Indeed, it was a real stretch to be a full-time graduate student and a full-time anti-war organizer.\" \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3540.0,3564.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, I was whipsawed every which way. Jeff acted as counsel when Irv Wainer [biology post-doctoral researcher and anti-war activist] was first being examined for discipline. The time that he didn't get disciplined. And I sat in on one of those sessions, maybe two. And, you know, I was very impressed with almost the expertise with which Jeff handled that job as counsel in an academic proceeding. And, of course, the ultimate in this, not long after it seemed to me that groups had been disorganized. Sometime during the early part of 1969, I was talking with Paul Gratz in the student union, and they were telling about how they had just been to see Dean [Charles] Duncan about the call from National SDS asking if what would eventually be the Ann Arbor Convention might be held on the University of Oregon campus. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3564.0,3632.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, that's news to me. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3632.0,3635.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Talk to Paul about it. Now, where the Ann Arbor convention would be held was a mystery until very late. They kept trying to figure out where they were going to hold it. And now when at first when they were talking with Dean Duncan, he was puzzled about what this was all about. And he said, \"You mean this is not just your local chapter, but a regional organization?\" And they said, \"No, the National SDS Convention.\" And he ran his fingers through his hair, I think Paul said, and talked about the university couldn't afford one more Black guy with the (________??). It would have been amazing, though, if the split and the Ann Arbor Convention had in fact happened in Eugene. I'm sure there were twenty other campuses that were calling asking about the same thing. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3635.0,3695.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I just wanted to return again to the relationship with the national and the local of some of these. The Moratorium is the most well-known of these national coalitions. But did you ever go to San Francisco to demonstrate? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3695.0,3710.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I do not remember that I did. When I was in Chapel Hill we used to go to Washington to these marches, but I do not remember having gone to San Francisco. A lot of people did. Now, when you're talking about the national on the moratorium, of course, what replaced the moratorium was the New Mob [New Mobilization Committee to End the War in Vietnam]. And the New Mob was initiated basically by the SWP [Socialist Workers Party] and the YSA [Young Socialist Alliance]. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3710.0,3745.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Socialist Workers Party and—\n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3745.0,3747.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Young Socialist Alliance. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3747.0,3749.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Correct. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3749.0,3751.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We actually had some people, a small number of people who were in the YSA here. One of our grad students, I remember, was. But there weren't many. So it wasn't—and obviously the group that was rising was the Revolutionary Union on campus at that time. The New Mob in Eugene, as far as I could tell, consisted of Ted Goertzel [sociology professor] and the SWP and the SDS. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3751.0,3783.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Ted—\n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3783.0,3784.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ted Goertzel was a sociology professor, one of the radicals in the sociology department. One of the things that the WILPF [Women's International League for Peace and Freedom] did, was do some leafleting at Valley River [shopping mall] that spring. And in this part of the new, I think it was a New Mob leaflet we were handing out, but it was at the WILPF meeting that they organized it. And five of us got arrested there for leafleting. We called ourselves the Valley River Five, but SDS had no interest in us. Nobody else had that much interest in us. It was Ted Geortzel and me and Don Van Houten [sociology professor] who— \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3784.0,3828.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Who was also a sociologist. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3828.0,3829.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. And my wife Ellen, and Evita Sites, who was a local activist. We thought we were about—I was actually being led to my jail cell when, all of a sudden, the others started counting up the amount of money they had and realized that they had just enough to pay bail with maybe $0.15 left over. So we were able to pay bail. And there had been a decision about the Lloyd Center by federal Judge Gus Solomon shortly before, that the local prosecutor decided would mean that we couldn't get convicted and therefore, they dropped the charges pretty quickly. Now, in fact, the law has not gone the direction of Judge Solomon's decision. You know, places like Valley River can legally keep people out, but they thought then that they would no longer be able to. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3829.0,3898.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But you had been formally charged with leafleting on private property without permission? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3898.0,3905.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3905.0,3907.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Great. So definitely the New Mob is going to have nationwide demonstrations in April of 1970, and you were very much aware that there's this connection between the local and the national? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3907.0,3926.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. Although, as I say, the SWP did not have much traction at all here. Nevertheless, it was a national thing that the locals glommed onto. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3926.0,3941.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. And my sense is that if any of these left or Marxist sects got any traction, it was the Revolutionary Union. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3941.0,3952.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the sixties, in '69, '70, absolutely. And you were here then, you saw it happen. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3952.0,3958.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was. I know about it. I participated. And certainly in terms of revitalizing SDS and giving more organizational coherency and leadership to what had been a pretty amorphous movement, I think the RU, as it was known, had an important contribution it made to the anti-war movement. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3958.0,3981.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Within SDS, the RU was RYM II [Revolutionary Youth Movement]. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3981.0,3986.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is split within SDS? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3986.0,3988.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. The split had happened already in Ann Arbor the previous summer. You know, SDS, as it was represented here, was pretty much RYM II, although there was some Weatherman [another SDS faction] people who came and spoke in that time, too. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=3988.0,4010.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. And do you remember them as being influential or having an impact on local SDSers? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4010.0,4019.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think they had an impact, but I think that they didn't have an impact for their own sectarian purposes. I think that, you know, with Jeff Freed here spinning a plausible line that appeared clear and probably with some of the difficulties in figuring out what Weatherman had in mind other than just going into the streets with as much violence as possible. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4019.0,4051.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. I felt that too. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4051.0,4058.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't remember that having traction that I knew of. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4058.0,4060.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was my experience as well. Tell me a little bit about ROTC, and you must have been at numerous faculty meetings about whether the university was going to continue to host ROTC and kind of give legitimacy to— \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4060.0,4080.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"—now you make it sound as if they, the university, at one point did break off, but I don't think it did. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4080.0,4089.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I do— \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4089.0,4090.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We had that very close vote, as you'll remember, in the spring of '70. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4090.0,4096.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was in April of 1970 in which the faculty narrowly voted to, I think it was by 15 votes or something out of 400. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4096.0,4105.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That is true. Before and after the anti-ROTC meetings and the faculty, and you would hear some faculty make the same darn speech against the ROTC. Bayard McConnaughey got just totally tedious in a meeting one year and the next year and the next year and the next year and the next year. But that was the time that that was—I remember that as the high tide. And both before and after, the opponents of abolishing ROTC in the faculty were able by various maneuvers to contain the opposition. Later, during William Boyd's presidency, he actually had— \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4105.0,4169.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"—president of the university. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4169.0,4169.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, he had it arranged in the seventies, so that Derrick Bell, who was the dean of the law school and is now thought of as the founder of critical race theory, got up and made a speech that, in effect, defended the ROTC and blunted a lot of the progressive opposition to it in the faculty meeting. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4169.0,4194.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, could you just briefly characterize the pro and con on ROTC amongst the faculty? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4194.0,4200.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, there was the old-fashioned academic question about whether this is really academic higher learning. There were some who opposed that. Those who wanted to use the university as an instrument in social transformation toward revolution also opposed it because, again, it did not seem pertinent to them. There was a big campaign to make education relevant, but you couldn't object to the ROTC on the grounds of relevance. As an [Oregon Daily] Emerald [student newspaper] editorial once ended, unfortunately ROTC is relevant to what's happening now. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4200.0,4247.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But were the antis would you say influenced by Noam Chomsky's famous essay on the responsibility of the intellectuals and this idea of complicity? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4247.0,4258.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There were plenty of people who talked about that. But there were so many people, so many different sources of thought about that. No, there was Chomsky but there were lots of other essays that had an effect there. Social responsibility of intellectuals was a tricky thing. Sociology, where we had so many radical faculty and grad students, had been talking earlier about trying to build a value-free social science. And they came just, in soc department things, absolutely head to head on that. The speech that I remember the best from that one was the one that Sonya Sweet made. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4258.0,4306.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At a faculty meeting. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4306.0,4307.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At a faculty meeting, she had the floor as president of the ASUO. And, I mean, for the tear jerkers, she actually borrowed a baby from a friend to set the baby down on the platform in front of her and talk about the future of children like this and so on, to talk about specifically the nuclear threat. She was from near Hermiston [Oregon] and was talking about the dangers of nuclear storage in that area. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4307.0,4341.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And was that at the meeting where it was a narrow vote and the faculty voted to retain it? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4341.0,4349.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4349.0,4351.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. Okay. That was that was the spring of 1970. Do you happen to remember an undergraduate, Steve Holland, who gave—I thought, I was there—a very, very moving speech, as well? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4351.0,4364.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think I do remember that speech. I don't remember anything specific in that speech. Do you remember Sonya's speech in about the way I do? \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4364.0,4374.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think so. I remember her. I don't remember the baby, but. Well, but then this is going to be followed by, you know, a march to ROTC. There's extensive destruction to the physical plant there at ROTC. The police are going to use tear gas to disperse the crowd. Later, the National Guard is going to order the governor to occupy the campus. What was your reaction to all of that? What was going on in your classes and so forth? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4374.0,4410.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4410.0,4413.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then, of course, it all hell breaks loose. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4413.0,4415.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"To start with, I was one of those who was trying for several weeks after to organize a class boycott, so I wasn't meeting my classes for a while there, only rarely sporadically meeting them. We basically failed. And then came the Cambodian incursion. And, all of a sudden, what we had tried for weeks to do became the campus consensus. There had been a lot of good SDS organizing and mobilizing and educating and interpreting going on all along. But when, you know, now it was becoming the Vietnam War and it looked like Nixon was expanding the war, ever expanding it rather than contracting it. We now know that Nixon was deliberately trying to wind it down. But there were so many who didn't believe it at that time. So, yeah, I was doing that and I had a problem with students in my class who didn't like that idea, and then— \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4415.0,4494.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"—they wanted to hold class. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4494.0,4495.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, but then as we moved along, right before the faculty meeting that did supposedly shut it down for a while, I walked into class that morning and before I could say anything a student said he would like to propose a boycott vote and that, you know, almost everybody in the class was ready to boycott at that point. So, I wasn't involved in those things. I didn't know much about what was happening in the attack on ROTC. You may have been in that. But I was surprised, months later in the fall, when we were concerned with the efforts to organize an AFT [American Federation of Teachers] chapter, being in a meeting with Jeff Freed, where Jeff said, \"If we had had better coordination with the faculty, if we had been able to get in those fifteen more votes, we wouldn't have had to have had all those arrests.\" Which surprised me because I can easily envision a scenario in which even if the faculty had voted the other way, they might have attacked. But it sounds to me like Jeff was saying, if the faculty vote had gone a few votes other, they would have called off all plans to attack the ROTC. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4495.0,4582.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, I mean, that definitely was a shift from civil disobedience to more militancy. And then this occasional violence, which could be like the just kind of physical damage to property or later there was bombings, et cetera, but my question again— \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4582.0,4604.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And of course, you know, you can remember that by the fall of '70, of that '70-'71 year, what the RU was talking about was smashing windows downtown and no more marching and stuff like that. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4604.0,4625.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, it was definitely kind of, it would come up in the '71 national and local demonstrations: \"Either the government will stop the war or we will stop the government.\" And there were some who thought smashing windows was part of stopping the government. But what I wanted to ask you—then you definitely saw a shift of both faculty and student opinion, particularly after Cambodia? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4625.0,4655.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, yeah. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4655.0,4656.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And ultimately, I believe— \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4656.0,4658.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The people went through—they had kept strong anti-war resolutions off the floor of the faculty meeting. And yet you'll remember that faculty meeting that afternoon that they moved to Mac Court [University of Oregon basketball arena], with lots of anti-war students there cheering in the bleachers. They had Professor [Richard] Noyes from chemistry come in and offer what was apparently a mild anti-war resolution that was passed. And I think Joe Allman in political science and then Ted Goertzel got up and tried to, you know, said, \"Well, if these guys can suddenly make a resolution, we haven't been able to let's why not hear mine.\" And he was shut down. Obviously, the faculty establishment saw the need and President Clark saw the need to, you know, give some slack. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4658.0,4721.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do you think the—because the faculty eventually do vote to end university ties to ROTC—do you think the murders of students at Kent State affected that? That's May of 1970. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4721.0,4743.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. Whatever the faculty did—my recollection is that we had the ROTC for years after that and that what finally got rid of the ROTC, as the Military Science Department, was my colleague Roger Chickering and some others, moving toward the Ivy League model where the ROTC would adopt a lot of courses on military matters that were taught by regular political scientists, historians, and so on. And in as fulfilling the requirement for their students. So the connection probably may have been changed in its form, in a form that might indeed be seen as severing, or somewhere in there. I don't think that the time I'm talking about was that early, because I remember this later when Derrick Bell came in. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4743.0,4806.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had forgotten that he became dean of the law school. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4806.0,4809.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. He was here for some years as dean of the law school. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4809.0,4814.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So as we move post-Cambodia, we've got lots of legislative activity in the Congress. And, in fact, the Cooper-Church Amendment is approved by the Senate [revised version December 1970] and it cuts off funding for Cambodia by June 30 of '70. But the question I want to ask you is that Wayne Morse is defeated in the fall of 1970 by Bob Packwood, who actually criticizes Morse for being too strident. What do you attribute Morse's defeat to at that time, being too strident in his anti-war critique? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4814.0,4872.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It could well be anti-war activity, I don't know. I don't have a very strong view of that. Morse was defeated, as I remember, in '68, wasn't he? \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4872.0,4883.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No. I believe you it was the fall of 1970. I think it was November of 1970.\n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4883.0,4891.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay, I would have to check on that. Morse ran again against Hatfield in '72 and against Packwood in, he was running against Packwood when he died— \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4891.0,4905.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"—'74 against Packwood?\n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4905.0,4907.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When he died, '74. And if he was running against Packwood in '74, then it must have been in '68 that Packwood defeated him. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4907.0,4917.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, maybe. Let me check on that [Morse lost re-election in November 1968]. That's right. Well, in '71, I want to talk about electoral politics at both the national and the local level and your engagement in that. But in '71, there was probably the last of the coordinated actions in Washington and San Francisco and then locally. And we had a big demonstration on May 1 in downtown Eugene, followed by three days running of demonstrators moving between ROTC, the federal building, the Selective Service, the Army recruiters, and systematically doing civil disobedience peacefully, to shut down these federal facilities. Do you remember that? And were you or your students participating in that? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4917.0,4987.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I do not know. I did not have a strong personal involvement in that. And I was, of course, aware of it going on. But I might have been busy with something else at the time. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=4987.0,5001.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. So we get to, certainly between '70 and '72, we are going to have any number of people who come along in the footsteps of Wayne Morse and are going to be running for Congress in the Senate and being explicitly against the war. And, of course, the watershed moment is going to be in '72 when Senator George McGovern from South Dakota gets the nod as the presidential candidate. Were you involved in the McGovern campaign? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5001.0,5053.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I had been very enthusiastic in '68 for the idea of a peace and freedom ticket. I wasn't too happy that, you know, that it seemed to be going to elect Eldridge Cleaver [Black Panther Party], whom I admired but who wasn't old enough to be qualified to be president. So I was at a convention that was intended to form a peace and freedom movement [June 1967 founding of the Peace and Freedom Party?]. And it was one of these things where people were milling around, and they had no way of getting the thousand or so in that room that they needed. The next day, a wider coalition called the New Party had its convention in Portland and couldn't get enough either. So, I was sidelined from campus radical politics because of the clear RU dominance there. During '69-'70, I had done a lot of speaking for the campus groups, and I guess I wasn't—it was probably because I was putting forth a line of moving toward socialist revolution, but I wasn't articulating my anti-Stalinist views that clearly. Therefore, I was probably pretty useful, but I was not as involved in those, nor was I getting involved in Democratic Party politics, then or for decades later, because of my strong opposition to working within capitalist parties. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5053.0,5175.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I see. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5175.0,5176.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My wife was involved in the McGovern campaign and a lot of my friends were involved in the McGovern campaign and I knew a lot about it. There were a number of interesting things about the Oregon primary. One being that a very important group, influential group, of liberal insiders, put [Congresswoman] Patsy Mink on the Oregon ballot for president and launched as strong a campaign as they possibly could for her. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5176.0,5209.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She was a representative? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5209.0,5211.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A representative from Hawaii. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5211.0,5212.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's what I thought. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5212.0,5212.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Totally unknown. But I think she had good connections with the ILWU [International Longshore and Warehouse Union], the West Coast Longshoremen's Union, which they had connections with. The idea being put forward was McGovern is not a viable candidate. And they didn't think really, when you talk to them, think Patsy Mink was going to win the Democratic nomination either. Their idea is what you need is to fragment it among a lot of different anti-war candidates and then come together in Chicago, wherever the national convention was that year, and, you know, then decide on your ticket. I guess I preferred the McGovernites to Minkites. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5212.0,5259.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But in the Oregon [1968] primary, as I recall, it is Eugene McCarthy that wins that primary. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5259.0,5268.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pretty handily, I think. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5268.0,5270.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think so, too. Kennedy was running at the time. Kennedy, of course, it would be reversed. The next primary—\n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5270.0,5276.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No Kennedy was '68. (both speakers speaking) Kennedy was killed in '68. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5276.0,5281.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, yes. No. Yeah, I'm talking about— \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5281.0,5284.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was Kennedy and McCarthy. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5284.0,5287.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5287.0,5288.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"—in '68. And it was McGovern and Mink and various others in '72. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5288.0,5298.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. Let's not get these things confused. I was referring to the spring of '68 when Eugene McCarthy was running explicitly as an anti-war candidate and then Robert Kennedy would win the race, but McCarthy would win Oregon in '68. Correct. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5298.0,5323.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, McCarthy won that. Some people say it was the only election of that era that a Kennedy lost. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5323.0,5328.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, but the big turning point for Kennedy would be—he subsequently would go on to run in the California primary and he would— \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5328.0,5338.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Only one week later, and then he was killed.\n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5338.0,5340.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"—and then he was going to be assassinated. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5340.0,5343.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right after winning. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5343.0,5344.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But so would you say in '72, let's go back to the '72 primary. That's when Patsy Mink was put into the race.\n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5344.0,5357.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, against McGovern.\n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5357.0,5357.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Against McGovern. And were they the only two that were running? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5357.0,5363.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There were other Democratic candidates. I do not remember who they were. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5363.0,5366.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"All right. And as the McGovern campaign goes forward in Eugene, do you remember various folks from different anti-war groups coming into the McGovern campaign? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5366.0,5378.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, yeah. There had always been a lot of overlap between liberals and radicals. I was always surrounded by McCarthy people, and I wasn't one in '68. And I was always surrounded by McGovern people in '72. My wife is, as I say, was active in the McGovern campaign. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5378.0,5403.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right, but you still, both '68 and '72, from your socialist perspective, you thought there needed to be a third party, a Labor Party. And you were kind of hands-off in terms of electoral politics. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5403.0,5419.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5419.0,5420.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. But you could see the energy of the anti-war movement moving into the McGovern campaign?\n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5420.0,5427.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, yes. Yes. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5427.0,5429.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And you had, in addition to your wife, were there other faculty members that got involved in McGovern campaign? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5429.0,5437.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, Phyllis Zweig, who was still married then to Professor Arnie [Arnulf] Zweig [Philosophy], was probably the most and central person in it that I knew. And she was very central. I think you could get faculty to speak out for McGovern most any day of the week that you went around the halls and looked for them. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5437.0,5461.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So you think that—I think the later polling by Time magazine showed that U of O students overwhelmingly voted for McGovern. The source I looked at didn't say what the faculty did, but you think it probably, they came down on McGovern side. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5461.0,5486.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh yeah, except for a few who were in that Patsy Mink faction. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5486.0,5492.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Great. So let's move to talk a little bit about the aftermath of, you know, the anti-war movement. And certainly by 1973, the movement had really, I would say, reached a low point, not that the war had. We had the Christmas bombing in '72 and there were protests against that. But as the war kind of winds down, what personally came on your political agenda for, well, what am I going to be involved in next? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5492.0,5536.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's an interesting question. I was on leave in '72-'73. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5536.0,5541.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You were taking a sabbatical? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5541.0,5543.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was on a sabbatical. I was living in North Carolina and were in touch with some anti-war people. But I realized that there were a lot of things going on, including a weekly anti-war vigil there that had been well-established for years, that I never took part in. Ellen was involved in some things there, but I was not in connection with what was going on here. When I came back in '73, one interesting thing was that Walt Shaesby had shown up as a sociology grad student, and he had IS [International Socialist] connections. So I was not in the IS at that time anymore, but I was certainly sympathetic, and we did some things together. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5543.0,5600.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The IS being the International Socialists, a radical Marxist group. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5600.0,5606.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. One of that had Trotskyist antecedents and that unlike the SWP had, generation before, ceased to believe that the Soviet Union was anything but a class state. And I'm thinking of the oddity of the RU coming to break ties with China, deciding suddenly that it was no longer a socialist state later. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5606.0,5642.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But there was no IS chapter formed here? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5642.0,5645.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, Walt was trying to get people interested and I was encouraging him. So there were some interesting discussions of people who got together, some of whom had been around as activists before. Bill Curley, as I say, Dennis Stovall, turned out to be an ally there then. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5645.0,5667.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Stovall was an undergraduate who once he graduated, then I recall, he went to work as a maintenance worker for the university. So as a worker, he was kind of around and involved. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5667.0,5679.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Although I think he was doing something elsewhere, and it may have been truck driving by '74 and '75. We were still involved in the effort that we had started back then, to organize an American Federation of Teachers [AFT] faculty union. And during that same time, the grad students did successfully organize. I helped, in fact, to convince them to affiliate with the AFT rather than one of the other unions. And a lot of the campus efforts I was involved in were around that. But political progressive issues came up in connection with that too. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5679.0,5730.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But there was a couple of years there when you were organizing both faculty and grad students—\n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5730.0,5736.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/299","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, the faculty effort was unsuccessful. We eventually folded that union, that Local 3209 of the AFT. But then later, almost forty years later, in the last years of my being on the faculty, I was again involved in the faculty unionization organization, which succeeded, right at the time that I retired. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5736.0,5769.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/300","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You were there for the long haul, Jack. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5769.0,5771.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, the card signing took place right as I was going off the payroll. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5771.0,5784.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But then did you continue your activism on campus and in other types of campaigns and movements? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5784.0,5793.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/303","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When things came up. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5793.0,5796.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/304","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Like the anti-nuclear movement or the environmental movement? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5796.0,5800.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, of course, I had been involved in the anti-nuclear movement as an undergrad, you know, before '63, before the Test Ban Treaty happened. But certainly I was involved in that and in environmental things and progressive things in general. Yeah. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5800.0,5820.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But you were kind of distant from electoral politics because we do also have, I think, it's—\n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5820.0,5829.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/307","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"For about another generation I was. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5829.0,5831.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/308","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, okay, good. I wanted to do one last thing and talk about your perceptions of repression and surveillance, et cetera. Because, of course, we have the infamous COINTELPRO, which was an FBI program that was hatched to disrupt and discredit the anti-war movement and plant FBI agents in demonstrations who would then commit acts of violence that would be blamed on demonstrators. And it was very nefarious. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5831.0,5867.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/309","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, but we had plenty of our own who were doing that without their help. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5867.0,5871.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/310","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We did. Sometimes you never knew which was which. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5871.0,5874.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/311","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We had the gun toters and bombers already without them. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5874.0,5881.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/312","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But were you aware of spying or inquiries by the FBI? Did they ever come around and talk to your faculty, to the department chair and so forth? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5881.0,5896.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/313","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Not that I was aware of. I know that my first department chair did put a number of things in my file that that would be discrediting. But I don't know if that was because of his right-wing politics or just because of his autocratic approach. And he was pushed aside by the end of the summer of 1969 for chairs that I successfully got along with pretty well later. Most of my grievances there were in the general run of academic politics, a colleague who I thought should have gotten tenure but didn't and so forth, and not for any political reasons, because he was a political conservative pretty much. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5896.0,5957.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/314","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But were you ever fearful that you were not going to get tenure because of your anti-war activity? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5957.0,5962.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/315","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, yeah. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5962.0,5963.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/316","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You were. Constantly or intermittently? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5963.0,5967.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, just one of those things that might happen. Remember, I think it was before you started recording, I brought up the fact that we all believed on campus that the university was compiling profiles on us, which from the many people who have researched the university archives since, you would conclude, not only are they not there now, they were never there. You don't have the clues that would suggest that there had been such a file that had then later become a bonfire. So some people would say we were paranoid. On the other hand, you know, we knew that there are always prejudices that figure in, that if your record, your academic record, was in one of those in-between positions, not sterling and not in the sewer, prejudices about politics might indeed cast somebody's deciding vote. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=5967.0,6038.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, and in fact, in November— \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=6038.0,6042.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/319","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"However, I'm trying to think, I actually got tenure by '71 and I think maybe by, I'm not sure, I didn't have tenure by the end of '70, by the summer of '70, I think it was in '71. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=6042.0,6070.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It would have been four years to get tenure then. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=6070.0,6073.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had a book in print. But I'm not—I guess it's about '71 that I got tenure. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=6073.0,6080.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. In the fall of '69, in November '69, there was a very popular professor in English at OSU that was going to be denied tenure. And so that certainly would have been in the air and in the news. But, all during your anti-war activism, you were prepared that this could play itself out in being denied tenure. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=6080.0,6106.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/323","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. During that long weekend of the campus shut-down, we had some things that we put on in the history department as part of the teaching activities. Not radical, but for example, our former department chairman, Gordon Wright, who had been distinguished at one of the California schools, was coming to give a scheduled lecture. We had him talk about his extended experience of the French academic revolts in '68. At the same time there was a symposium where I was the—sponsored by the history department—where I was speaking. And Paul Holbo, who was a very right-wing diplomatic historian [at the University of Oregon], later, a dean, was speaking on a panel, and the third one was Kenneth Porter [University of Oregon Dept. of History], who had been a Socialist Party socialist through all his early career, but was totally alienated by the new left. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=6106.0,6181.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was a faculty? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=6181.0,6183.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. He was very elderly by that time, but had been around in academia since the twenties. So Paul and Kenneth would have votes on my tenure. But you know we were all speaking and talking, giving our different opinions, on things related to the war and its relation to academia. So, you know, you just wait and see what happens in regard to that. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=6183.0,6219.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And were you aware of—and we kind of talked about the university where there was a suspicion that the university was compiling dossiers or spying on faculty and students. But what about the FBI and the local police? Did they ever camp out in front of your house and follow you around? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=6219.0,6247.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/327","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Not to my knowledge. I had Joe Schoenfeld come to my house to make me, pressure me to sign something, which I did, actually. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=6247.0,6260.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/328","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Joe Schoenfeld, who was a radical SDSer from New York.\n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=6260.0,6268.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/329","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. Sociology grad student in the RU. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=6268.0,6272.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/330","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=6272.0,6275.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"After a bunch of arrests, I know that he came to my house to get me to sign a paper, which I did about, you know, our mortgage as part of something pledged toward bail money. But no, I was not aware of that specifically aimed at me. I was aware of that as aimed at us. There were always those people taking photographs of demonstrations and major events and so on. And you figure there were big files that said, Bald-headed Guy with Wart on Nose. And sooner or later, they put a face to it or something like that.\n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=6275.0,6321.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/332","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, so as you look back fifty years later, how do you kind of see the anti-war movement and, you know, your role in it and so forth? \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=6321.0,6334.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/333","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well. Even though the socialist revolution didn't happen then and hasn't happened since. And is, you know, I have trouble seeing a way from there to here. I feel it was a very positive thing that eventually so much of American society got involved in it. That it did raise matters of conscience and not a Marxian sense but the older American tradition of abolition-era radicalism, which had its anti-war and feminist and ecological elements to. Made a very positive influence of the elements within it. There were, you know, as with the elements in right-wing movements that, you know, there were people who you can admire and there were people you had to scratch your head over. But for us as a collective entity that had no particular national organization, just a lot of different ones, I feel pretty good. I was impressed with some things that happened, that did not happen in the seventies and eighties. This country did not get militarily involved in Angola, for example. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=6334.0,6434.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/334","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Though we did get involved in Central America. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=6434.0,6436.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/335","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the Reagan era, yes. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=6436.0,6438.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/336","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But we did not directly—we had a proxy army certainly in Nicaragua. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=6438.0,6443.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/337","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, the only place that Reagan invaded was Granada, directly invaded with U.S. forces. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=6443.0,6451.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/338","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I think loosely called the Vietnam Syndrome may well have been at work in Angola. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=6451.0,6457.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/339","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. I think that the next unwise intervention was Carter's attempt to rescue the hostages in Iran. But, generally speaking, and, you know, the old anti-war veterans always believed that a major American military intervention was going, at the time of the Iranian revolution and the hostage crisis. They believe that the Carter administration wanted to restore the Shah [of Iran] and was about to. And they thought they were opposing it, certainly in the opposition that there was to the first Gulf War, that Vietnam was talked about all the time. And I remember those signs, of course, in the eighties that said, El Salvador is Spanish for Vietnam. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=6457.0,6525.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/340","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And certainly when we look at— \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=6525.0,6529.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/341","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's an important thing and so is the wider sixties movement and everything. Of course, the thing that triumphed overwhelmingly was the cultural revolution. It didn't make us all flower children, and especially not me. But so many. Did you know John Cahaland? \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=6529.0,6554.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/342","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, I didn't know him. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=6554.0,6556.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/343","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"John was somebody I knew from my first, and if not my first, my second year here. He was rooming with Chuck Armsbury [sociology graduate student and leader of the Patriot Party] and was involved in Chuck's campaign for mayor of Eugene, in I believe around '67. And I voted for Chuck for mayor. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=6556.0,6585.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Chuck was a sociology student, and would certainly be very much against the war and later would form something called the Young Patriot Party. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=6585.0,6594.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The Patriot Party, which was— \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=6594.0,6597.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/346","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Loosely modeled on the Black Panther Party. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=6597.0,6598.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/347","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was the poor white element of the Black Panther coalition. And he was doing that right in '70 and '71 when we were at work. Cahaland disappeared from Eugene right after Richard Oba was arrested for the bomb at Max's [Tavern]. And I think that Cahaland was rooming with Richard Oba at that time. And that may have been related to why he disappeared. Well, not long before that, Cahaland had sat in my office and said, \"The left has two great things going for it: sex and drugs.\" In the middle of the 1970s, Ellen called me up to tell me that John Cahaland had suddenly reappeared and was at our house to meet me. And I came home and we had a good long conversation. He did say that he had been living in Boston, near where one of the former Weather people had been arrested. And he did say that, If I had stayed here in Eugene, I would have been involved in violent things like that. 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There's no doubt about it. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=6727.0,6739.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/355","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. \n\nMartin Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=6739.0,6740.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/356","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hey, listen, Jack, this has been a very rich and productive interview. I really want to thank you and we'll end there. 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Thank you very much. I'm most appreciative. \n\nJack Maddex","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=6773.0,6776.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84514/annotation/359","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You're welcome, Marty.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498#t=6776.0,6764.03469"}]},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84515","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Coll996_do004.vtt [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160659/file/292498/transcript/84515/annotation/360","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Today is 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Oh, pardon me, Marty. 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