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Her father was in the military, and the family moved around a lot. She discusses being raised in a patriarchal Mormon family, dropping out of high school, and getting married at an early age to a man who was an alcoholic and drug addict. She attended the University of Oregon in 1981, and came out as a lesbian in 1982. She began working at Mother Kali's Books in Eugene and describes it. She describes the Women's Press Collective, and the newspaper The Women's Press. She moved to the southern Oregon lesbian separatist lands in 1989, living on Oregon Women's Land (OWL Farm). kaseja describes life on the lesbian lands, including the challenges of practicing the consensus model, and conflicts. kaseja moved to another lesbian land, Cabbage Lane. The land adjacent to Cabbage Lane is gay men's land, Lilac Ridge. kaseja describes the significance of ritual circles practiced on the land. She moved to the Southwest and worked on movie set crews. She moved to California and then to the Bay Area. She discusses her partner's transition from female to male. Prior to his transition, she gave birth to one of their children, and kaseja gave birth to the other. She talks about gender and transgender issues as well as alternative insemination and parenting. She ends her interview by discussing aging issues within the lesbian community and the importance of lesbian identity today.Key terms: Alcohol abuse; Alternative insemination; Artificial insemination, Human; Blue Mountain School; Brown, Betsy; classism; Drug abuse; drug use; Feminism  --  Oregon  --  Eugene -- Periodicals; Feminist bookstores; Fly Away Home; gender identity; gender; homelessness; lesbian bars; Lesbian mothers -- United States; Lesbian separatism -- Oregon; molestation; Mormonism; Morton, Peg; Mother Kali's Books; movie sets; parenting; racism; ritual circles; Self-insemination; sex abuse; sexuality; Southwest; spirituality; Springfield Creamery; transgender people; Voluntary Stopping of Eating and Drinking (VSED); We'Moon calendar."]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["kaseja wilder (Interviewee)","Judith L. 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This is an oral history interview with Kaseja Wilder on Tuesday, August 28, 2018, taking place in the University of Oregon Libraries’ recording studio in the Center for Media and Educational Technologies. The interviews are Linda Long, Curator of Manuscripts in the UO Libraries’ Special Collections and University Archives, and Professor Judith Raiskin of the UO Department of Women's, Gender and Sexuality Studies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=12.76,43.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kaseja, please let us know if you agree to be recorded for this project, and that you give your permission for the university to preserve and make available your recorded and transcribed interview.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=44.35,53.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: I totally agree.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=53.68,54.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Fantastic! Thank you so much. Why don't we just begin with a very basic question. Can you tell us when and where you were born, and where you grew up?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=54.89,62.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: I was born in September of 1961 in Seattle, and then— My dad was in the military, so we lived in the Bothell/Seattle area, we lived in San Diego, we lived in Minnesota, and then for eight years we lived on base, Andrews Air Force Base in Washington, D.C., which was important because I actually got bused into Capitol Hill when they did the busing, so I got to be part of that. It was very exciting and scary. Then my dad got retired from the military and we moved back to the Pacific Northwest in '76. Spring of '76. And then we moved into Eugene in August or something like that, of 1976.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=62.61,106.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's when I moved to Eugene.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=106.68,108.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=108.63,109.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: With my family. I was fifteen at the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=109.03,113.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And what were your impressions of Eugene?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=113.22,115.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: It was small. But it was bigger than my grandparents' place, because we spent a few months there and it was rural, and that was very difficult for a fifteen year old.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=115.8,125.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, I went to junior high, Roosevelt Junior High, and then South Eugene High. I think it was a fine place to be. I was struggling with a lot of family trauma, so I'm not really sure what my— I do remember, though, before I came out— I don't know how old I was, but we could probably do the math— where someone was doing one of those No On 9 things, and they came to the door, and I opened the door, and they said, \"We're people, too.\" My family was Mormon. I said, \"I'm sorry, I can't talk to you.\" I felt genuinely sorry, but I knew that they weren't someone I could talk to. I can't remember their gender, I just knew that they were telling me they were gay and it was really overwhelming. I remember that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=125.29,170.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you tell us something about your family and the atmosphere and religion you were raised in, and how that may have affected you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=170.09,177.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: Yeah. Being raised Mormon, there was a certain— definitely gender bifurcation— \"Men do this; women do that\"— and there was a hierarchy of— well, it was patriarchal, so you submit to your father, and then later, you submit to your husband. If you get old enough and you don't have a husband, you have to submit to your brothers. And then above your father is the bishop, and above the bishop is the state president, and above that— I mean, it just goes up to the prophet. All men. Women can't hold the priesthood. So, that all seemed— I mean, there's really good things that I got from the Mormon Church. Like, my family moved and moved and moved— every eighteen months, we moved— and everywhere we went, the church was the same. It was laid out the same, the curriculum was the same, the protocols were the same, the expectations were the same. There was an emphasis on journal-writing and food preservation and public speaking. I learned, at a very early age, to get up in front of my whole congregation on a topic. I think that's why I like to do public speaking now. The more, the merrier.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=177.03,237.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's only two of you, come on!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=237.44,238.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think all those things were really good for me, but then when things started to fall apart in my family, I was sort of lost, because I had been so sheltered— no sex, no drugs, no rock and roll kind of thing— that when I broke away from my family, coupled with this childhood sexual abuse, I was sort of thrown into an adult milieu in a way that I just didn't know how to handle. It got better when I came out as a lesbian, but for a few years there, I was just doing a lot of drugs and having sex with men that I didn't know very well, and I got married to an alcoholic for a while, and then I divorced him—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=241.0,279.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What age was all that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=279.79,280.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: I moved out when I was seventeen. My mother discovered that my uncle had been molesting me, and so she decided I didn't belong in high school anymore. So she helped me get into Lane Community College with a GED. I met Tom there, and then— I went to LCC when I was seventeen, and I got married when I was eighteen. And then I came out when I was twenty-one, but— yeah, I got married when I was eighteen, I came out when I was twenty-one. Like, just twenty-one. I came out in October, and my birthday was in September.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=280.44,317.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that was great, because at that time, it was the women's bars— specifically the Riviera Room. That was women's night, Thursday night. I went every Thursday night. I think I can remember the first time I walked into a bar that was all women. I was just like, \"I found it. I'm home. This is my home. This is where I belong.\" I was twenty-one, I was effusive— you can tell I have kind of an effusive personality anyway, and I just came into this situation going, \"We are family,\" [sings] you know? Whatever it was, I was out there. I rarely danced with one person, until I got a girlfriend, and then I would dance with her for the slow dances, but— the fast dances, I was too busy— I used the whole floor. I just used the whole floor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=317.37,359.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was really something for me. It felt like a place where I knew everybody. It was a place where I knew everybody, so that was great. I divorced Tom, and that was good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=363.47,374.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Can we back up for a second?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=376.15,377.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=377.66,378.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: When you got married, did you know you were a lesbian?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=378.22,379.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: Oh, no! Heavens no. No. When I was fifteen, I went on some kind of camping trip that I very ill remember, and there was a girl there who was a sister of my boyfriend, and we held hands during the night and I was like, \"Oh, well, I wonder what this is about.\" So that was a memory that I looked back on, but no, I had no— there was no clue. And in the Mormon Church, there aren't even lesbians.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=379.98,403.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's only gay men. \"A man shall not lie with another man.\" They don't say anything about the women. It wasn't like— I didn't even— it wasn't— Nowhere there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=403.99,412.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You didn't have negative ideas, either?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=412.6,413.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: No, not negative. I knew gay men weren't supposed to do what they were doing, and lesbians were just not even— there was no radar for me at all. I was supposed to grow up, get married, have kids. That's what I thought I was going to do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=413.82,425.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: There's a short time change from being age eighteen and being married, and twenty-one, when you came out. What was it that put you on that path?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=425.72,436.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: Well, my husband was an alcoholic and a pot addict, and I was a trauma survivor, and I didn't know that, either, so there were lots of problems in our relationship. There was lots of substance use— on his part, I would say abuse. Lots of substance use on my part.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=436.83,452.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He basically— because he was an addict, he fed me as much alcohol and marijuana that I could possibly take in, and I was young. I was very susceptible to whatever was going on around me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=452.81,466.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When things started to fall apart in our relationship— which was pretty inevitable, because I was seventeen, he was twenty-five, he was an alcoholic. He was in love with me, but he didn't know what that meant. I didn't know what that meant. And I don't even know how I found lesbians. I know that I was taking Japanese, and that Julie Porter was in my Japanese class. Now, Julie Porter was my— you know how they say for birders, you get a bird, and that's how you become a birder? Well, for the birds, it's blue heron, and for the lesbians, it's Julie Porter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=469.68,501.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When I found out she was a lesbian, through a colleague of ours— a classmate who wasn't a lesbian, but maybe she would've called herself queer, except we didn't have that word then. She was kind of flexy somehow. She was like, \"Yeah, Julie Porter's a lesbian,\" and I was like, \"A lesbian? Is that what a lesbian looks like?\" And I just started watching every move Julie Porter made. \"Is that how a lesbian brushes her teeth? Is that how a lesbian carries her books?\" I was going into classrooms— I was a student at the time. I was going into classrooms, empty classrooms, and writing with the chalk, \"We are everywhere,\" and putting the double women's symbol. I didn't know I was a lesbian yet. I didn't know what I was doing, but there was something in there, so that was my first, like, \"Huh, what's going on here?\" And then there was Julie Porter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=501.71,547.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Julie Porter was very patient with me, and invited me to whatever she invited me to, movies or whatever. Then, of course, there was the Gay and Lesbian Alliance, which is what it was called then, and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=548.81,561.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: So this is when you're at UO?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=561.4,562.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: Yeah, I was at U of O. Mm-hmm (affirmative). Yep. Tom and I moved from LCC to U of O. We actually took Japanese together, and then he wasn't doing well in Japanese, and other things happened for him, and— I don't know exactly what happened for him, because I stopped paying attention to him. Then I started taking women's studies classes, and then I just dropped out. I just dropped out. Back in that day, if you dropped out, the ‘F’s that you got just eventually turned to ‘I’s. That doesn't happen anymore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=562.74,593.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Just incomplete. So it didn't hurt my GPA, but I just, I tanked my last term completely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=594.04,599.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What were the women's studies classes like for you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=599.19,602.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: I can't remember them. I don't think I took them very long. I think I was transferring from education— because— okay, so I came out as a lesbian, I came out as a feminist, I came out as a witch, I was still a trauma survivor with no knowing of that. The energy in the women's community was so intense. We were just so— there was like this container that was just so strong, like, \"We are each other's people.\" And you could be— like, yesterday you broke up with your boyfriend, and you walk into a room and you say, \"I've found it,\" and everyone's like, \"Yeah, welcome to the club!\" I never encountered that thing where some women are like, \"Are you really a lesbian?\" If you said you were a lesbian, you were in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=603.6,643.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You were just in. And that was very heady. That was very exciting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=643.36,646.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There were all these people who loved me instantly, and I liked that. I actually spent quite a bit of my young adult into my middle age seeking that instant kind of family, which was good in some ways, but maladaptive in others, you know? I think it was kind of a trauma response, like, \"Oh, finally, I'm going to be safe! Look at all these beautiful people! And now I'm going to learn how to spell ‘womyn’ with a ‘y’,\" and all that kind of stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=646.88,671.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: So you were at UO during what period?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=671.46,675.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: I came to the University of Oregon in— I wrote it on the chronolog.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=675.44,686.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Eighty-one?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=686.59,687.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Oh, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=687.13,687.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: Eighty or '81. Yeah, '80, probably. And then I came out in '82. And then shortly after I came out, I dropped out of school, and I'm not sure exactly what I did right after I dropped out of school. I think I did a bunch of different things. I definitely worked at Genesis Juice, so I was in a collective there. I rode my bike everywhere. I didn't have a car in those days. I worked on Womyn's Press with Betsy Brown and Yael and a couple of other women who came in and out. Nancy Louise was part of that crowd for a while. She's now— I don't know if you know, but she's a caretaker at OWL Farm now, Nancy Louise.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=687.25,727.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you tell us about the press a little bit?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=727.23,730.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: The press was— I mean, Betsy was the queen. She was definitely the queen. She's the one who held that space for all those years, and it was a great place to be. I'm the one who instigated calling it ‘Womyn's Press’ with a ‘Y’. Gail was a part of that, too, but she was a little less of a— Gail Elber. She was a little less of a primary role.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=730.71,751.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was really— I mean, Betsy Brown is really the one who held that for all those years. Not that she didn't have a lot of help. Betsy Brown probably wouldn't say, \"I'm the one who held that all those years.\" She probably wouldn't say it that way. She's a very humble, very dedicated lesbian, very dedicated to women, and it was fun to work with her. She was so earnest. She was just— did you ever meet Betsy? Oh, she was so earnest. She would go like, \"I just think everybody should have a pocketknife, so I'm going to start the lesbian pocketknife project, because I think it's so important that every woman be empowered, and pocketknives are just so good!\" She was like that, you know? She was freaking adorable. Loved cats, loved pocketknives, loved women.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=751.96,792.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Years later, when my partner— who was a lesbian— decided to be a man, I decided I couldn't identify as a lesbian. I kind of played with ‘bisexual’ and ‘queer’ for a while. When I came out as bisexual, my memory of the narrative is that Betsy couldn't be my friend anymore because I had kind of gone over to the other side.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=794.54,810.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it was still in that time where bisexuals were fence-sitters and all that kind of stuff, but my partner was turning into a man. I didn't feel like I could call myself— I knew lesbians who did. They said, \"My identity is my identity. You do whatever you want. I'm still a lesbian.\" But I felt like, if my partner's a man— I didn't love it when Holly Near said that she was bisexual. I mean, that she was sleeping with a man, but she was still lesbian. I'm like, \"Lesbian means something, and if you're sleeping with a man— \" I mean, everyone has a right to self identify, but I didn't— And, in my heart of hearts, all those years that I was trying to figure out my scene around gender, I felt like there was something lesbian inside. Like, inside me, there was like, that thing that I didn't know when I was fifteen. I felt like, during those years, I knew it, but I couldn't really claim it because my partner was male.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=810.23,855.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Even if he used to be female.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=855.69,857.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So anyway, I lost Betsy, and then Betsy left and we all lost her. We didn't know where she was for a while. She had a therapist who told her that she should just cut all ties with Eugene, which made us all very sad. So none of us knew where she was for a really long time, and then when we found her again, she had cancer and passed away shortly after we found her. It was really sad. But she wrote a lot, so anybody who wants to know what she was thinking during those years, she was a prolific writer. She was so wonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=857.26,885.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anyway, Womyn's Press. It was great! We met once a week, or something like that, and then things would heat up right before press time. And we did it on light tables. This is way before computers, so we would type up our— There's a word for it. Type up our— the words, there's an actual word for it— and we'd put them in the columns, and then we'd put it on the light table, and then I don't know what happened after that. Something from the light table, somehow that went to the— we used to use the same place that Register-Guard used. It was over in Springfield. Someone would take the— we’d tape it to the big pieces of paper? I— the words are all gone from me. But there was this whole thing that we learned how to do that was the way they used to do newspapers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=885.91,932.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Of course, nobody does it that way anymore, so— that was just fun, just to get everything exactly right. I'm not a prolific artist, but I could do little spirals and doody-dads, and that was helpful and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=932.08,941.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What kind things did you publish?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=941.95,944.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: We wrote about things that were happening in the community, and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=944.58,948.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Was the title called \"Womyn's Press\"?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=948.67,949.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: Womyn's Press.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=949.85,950.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yes, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=950.79,951.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: So, Womyn's Press.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=951.6,951.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And it's the title of the newsletter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=951.84,952.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: Yeah, and it was ‘women's’ with an ‘e’ for a long time— It started in '70-something— and went until— you probably have copies of Womyn's Press.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=952.83,962.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=962.4,962.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: Yeah. Then, I don't know what happened, but eventually there wasn't enough energy for it, so it— and it was old. It was, like— I think there was only one publication that had started before Womyn's Press— at least, that's my memory of it— and I can't remember which one it was. Was it— Off Our Backs, or— Sinister Wisdom? I can't remember. But there was one that was kind of before us, and then there was Womyn's Press, and we were holding our own in the space of women's history, and then— I was gone from Eugene when it folded, so it was sad, but it was sort of sad in a sort of muted, over-there kind of way. That was fun. Womyn's Press was great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=963.48,1001.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then there was Mother Kali's bookstore, which, of course, was a place that we gathered and— you know. When I came out as a lesbian, it became clear to me that the protocol was: cut your hair, get some army boots, get a flannel shirt, and learn about racism and anti-semitism and all that. Classism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1002.76,1019.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Classism was a great thing for me to learn about. Because I was raised in a Mormon environment, most of my peers being raised Mormon were middle-class or upper-class, and I had no— there was nobody explaining this to me. When we did the fundraisers for the temple trips, for example, those fundraisers were for me, and I was clueless that the other parents were giving the $100 or $200 or whatever hundred dollars it was so that we could— the Temple, at that point, was only in San Francisco. The Mormon Temple in Lake Oswego hadn't been built yet. You know, it was a trip. It was a huge trip. You all get in vans and whatever, and it costs money and gas and all that kind of stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1020.14,1062.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When I learned about classism, I was like, \"Oh, that's what was going on! That's why people look at me so weird!\" And then I had a lover who didn't like it that I chewed with my mouth open, and I'm like, \"Oh! Class! That's class!\" That's still something that I am grateful for the community sort of giving me, is this personalist political outlook where it matters. Class matters. Race— which is a social construct, so we don't— I'm trying to move away from calling it ‘race’, but— skin tone matters. If you're Jewish, it matters.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1063.53,1096.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If you're disabled, it matters. It matters. These things matter. That was just really— I remember once, I ran into this woman who was wearing a \"Dykes Against Anti-Semitism\", and I was like, \"Oh, cool.\" Then I went somewhere else and went, \"What's anti-Semitism? Help me out, there's something I don't know.\" Of course, you go to Mother Kali's for that. Because you don't have a computer where you're like— you can't Google “anti-Semitism,” you have to go to someone you trust, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1096.71,1124.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What was it like going into Mother Kali's? Can you describe that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1125.81,1128.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: It was sweet. I always tried to spend at least a little bit of money. I never had a lot, but— I really liked Izzie, who had a different name at the time, but— Alice? I can't remember her name before it was Izzie, but she was great. She was just so welcoming and wonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1128.87,1146.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I still remember Lorraine from that time. They had some issues trying to keep the bookstore running among themselves, but they were women that I looked up to as role models. And I still do in some ways. I mean, Lorraine and I cross paths once in a while.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1147.78,1164.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She— I'm trying to figure out how to say this. I would say not everybody feels that way about her, but I feel like she's held a certain kind of space for this community for a really long time, and I consider her someone who's been through something that I don't completely understand and I want to honor her and respect her and the way that she holds space. And she's an ex-Mormon. And her Mormonism is way deeper than mine, because she was of a Mormon clan that was like— my parents were converts, and it's different. When you're converts into the Mormon Church, it's way different than when your great, great, great-grandparent was Brigham Young's brother or whatever her scene is, so— so, it was just a good place to go, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1164.35,1209.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And for work, you were at Genesis?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1209.66,1211.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: I was at Genesis for a while, and then what did I do next? I didn't stay there forever. I remember I was at Genesis when Sirca's son got killed. Sirca was a lesbian in our— Trudy. No. What was her name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1211.43,1226.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What was her name? It was Sirca, and then there was a name that started with a ‘T’ that's not coming to me, but her son, at fourteen, thirteen or fourteen, was out playing chicken on 99 and was hit, because he was out running in front of cars. She called me up— we were both working at Genesis, and she called me up and she said, \"I need my carrot shift covered,\" and I was like, \"Oh, okay.\" \"Okay, why?\" And she's like, \"My son got hit by a car and I need to go down to the hospital and identify his body, and I need my shift covered.\" And I said, \"Wait, what?\" And she's like, \"Can you cover my shift?\" and I'm like, \"Someone's going to cover your shift, and I'm going to go down there with you.\" She was going to go alone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1228.48,1268.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm like, \"I'm going to go down there with you.\" I went and got her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1268.7,1272.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think I used one of the trucks. I didn't have a car at that time, and I guess neither did she. I called someone, the shift got covered, I went down there with her. That was really intense. But that's the kind of thing that we did for each other. It's like, \"You're not doing that by yourself.\" And then we had a memorial for her about him where we released all these balloons into the environment, which we don't do anymore. All these things that we learn. So bad for the environment! But at the time, it was really beautiful. I'm glad I have one memory of releasing helium balloons into the air, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1272.4,1301.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"After Genesis, what did I do? I might have moved from Genesis to Nancy's Yogurt. I worked on the fruit crew with gani and E, Ellen Greenlaw, who went by “E,” who was a healer in the community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1302.3,1317.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"gani was an amazing singer. Still is. She was a part of the community— I don't know if she was a part of Soromundi at that point, but she definitely is now. She's an amazing singer. gani and I started being lovers, and she got me onto the fruit crew, and all the people on the fruit crew were dykes, so that was fun for us. We were the fruit crew.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1318.27,1337.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What did it mean to be on the fruit crew?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1337.69,1338.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: So, Nancy's Yogurt— I think they might still— it was the most handled product they had. It was one of the little things of yogurt, and then on the top, it was a little cup of fresh fruit: blueberries, blackberries, peaches— And, you know, they paid people to blackberry pick, too. People would come in with their blackberries and get whatever cents a pound for it, so I probably did that once.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1338.66,1363.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's really hard work, picking blackberries.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1363.82,1365.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So anyway, I got on the fruit crew. When I first started working at Nancy's, what I did was I cleaned the building, the bathrooms and stuff like that. Then I got promoted to the fruit crew. Then gani and I— gani introduced me to OWL Farm. It must have been gani who introduced me to OWL Farm. And gani and I were doing things like, we had a full moon circle that we did with other women.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1365.76,1387.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lynne Lucas was in that circle, Barb— No, not Barb. Barb was later in the circle. But Lynne Lucas was in it, Jennifer Horton, Laura Philips, Sally Sheklow was in that circle. There were thirteen of us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1387.4,1398.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lynne and I were trying to name all thirteen the other day and we failed, but there were thirteen of us. We did full moon circle, we did all kinds of things. We made masks, and— we rotated the leadership, so every month it was a different person leading it. We did that, and that was great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1398.73,1412.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Was this down at OWL Farm?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1412.59,1414.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: Nope, this was all still in Eugene.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1414.16,1415.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Oh, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1415.72,1416.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: And gani took me down to OWL Farm. She'd lived at OWL for a while, and she took me down there. Then I started going down there for the ceremonies that they had down there, solstice and— mostly Summer Solstice. But there were other things going on down there, because Fly Away Home— which, as the crow flies, is just over the ridge from OWL Farm— you can actually walk from OWL Farm over the ridge to Myrtle Creek Road. It's about a thirty- minute walk, and then you're about four miles out to Fly Away Home. Or you can drive from OWL Farm to the freeway, up to Myrtle Creek, and then down Myrtle Creek Road to Fly Away Home, and it's about an hour drive. So if someone's willing to pick you up here, it actually takes about the same amount of time, but more than half of it is walking. We learned that route. I don't know who figured that out, but we learned that, and when we lived at OWL Farm, we used to go to Fly Away Home occasionally that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1416.11,1466.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you describe OWL Farm and Fly Away for people who don't know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1466.91,1471.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: Yeah. So OWL Farm, Oregon Women's Land, owned by Oregon Women's Land Trust, and OWL Farm wasn't so much about owls as it was about women, although there are owls at OWL Farm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1471.97,1483.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When I first went to OWL Farm, it was just this— I mean, if walking into a bar and being with all these lesbians is an amazing experience, try walking onto a piece of land with all these women who are running around without their shirts off, and doing whatever we do, and jumping over fires, and creating all these rituals. It's like we read a little something in a book and then we make it our own. It was really powerful for me. It was so— I remember the first time I tried to figure out what witchcraft was about was the first time a library had ever failed me. Because all growing up, if I wanted to know something, I would go to the library, I'd figure out where it was, I'd go pull out the book, and I could learn about dragonflies or dragons or anything! Anything!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1484.08,1527.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fair. Anything. But when I tried to learn about witchcraft, I'd go to the library and I'm like, \"What? This isn't what I'm looking for at all!\" It was this library. And I'm pulling out all this stuff about witchcraft, and I'm like, \"Whatever I'm looking for, this is not it.\" But when I got to OWL Farm, I was like, \"This is it!\" It was just— it was so amazing! We went down, I don't know, it must have been pretty regularly for the— mostly for the events. We'd go down for the events. I don't remember ever really going down there just to hang out. And Ní Aódagaín was living there with her daughter, and she was holding that space the way Betsy held Womyn's Press. I mean—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1527.54,1565.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: At OWL—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1565.24,1565.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: At OWL Farm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1565.92,1566.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1566.68,1566.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: Women were coming and going, they were coming and going, and especially in the summer, they'd come. There would be up to seventy-five, 100 women on the land. It was a very strong time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1566.76,1575.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This was— OWL Farm became a thing in the '70s— '76, I believe— and I know some about that time, but I'm not the best person to talk about it, because I wasn't there. And then it was a little quiet for just a little while, and then Ní Aódagaín moved there, and she was kind of the space holder for OWL Farm. She lived there all seasons with her daughter. Her daughter lived there from two to thirteen, I think. At thirteen, they decided she needed more—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1575.82,1603.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: School?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1606.78,1606.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: Yeah, she wanted to be a—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1606.96,1608.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Dance?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1608.34,1608.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: She wanted to ballet. She needed more ballet is what she needed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1608.42,1611.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Schooling, they could handle, but the ballet part was pretty tough.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1611.35,1614.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And my understanding is that if women wanted to go to OWL Farm, they could live there in exchange for contributing—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1615.21,1625.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: Labor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1625.04,1625.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Labor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1626.1,1626.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: Yep. They could. Yep, they could. Before I moved to OWL, Ní Aódagaín and I held the 1988 We'Moon calendar together. We edited that calendar together. We were really quite close.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1626.64,1639.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you describe the calendar?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1639.01,1641.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: The We’Moon calendar— I think the first year may have even just been a few years before 1988. It started at We'Moon, which is a land east of Portland, near Estacada. Musawa was kind of the queen of that whole thing. I don't know if she'd use the word ‘queen’, but I'm going to. And she obviously had help. There's no women's land anywhere that only one person does it. It's not like that. But Musawa was kind of looking for land, and she had help from Zarod and other people who helped her figure all that out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1641.56,1673.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't really know how the We'Moon was actually born, but once it started, there were a bunch of us that felt motivated to keep it going. It used to be that you'd get the calendar together just a few months before January, so in 1987— somewhere in 1987— it’s not like that anymore. They do it way forward now. Or backward.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1674.32,1698.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Before it comes out is even more this way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1698.63,1701.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ní Aódagaín and Musawa— Musawa and I met, and Musawa basically said, \"We need editors for the '88 calendar,\" and Ní Aódagaín and I took it on. It was a little bit like the Womyn's Press thing. We were laying little pieces of paper onto something and gluing it, I think. And I made these little, again, these little spiraly doo-daddy things, and we got the template of the— it has all the moon and stars, and all the— you know, those— I'm not an astrologer. All the astrology stuff, like when the moon goes into different signs, and when it's squaring Pluto or whatever. I guess the moon doesn't square Pluto, I guess it's another planet, but whatever, all that astrology stuff, which I obviously incompletely understand. And then each day, you know— The calendar still is laid out so that each week— You could see the whole week— and then the full moon, the dark moon, the solstices, the equinoxes, all the high holy days are in there, and then each of those high holy days has a little thing about what it is and, you know. So we solicited from women all over the planet who wanted to contribute to this calendar. Now it's even more famous and more beautiful. Our calendar had a green cover, and then it was black and white on the inside. For along time, it was black and white.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1701.09,1782.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now it's really beautiful, very colorful and— Yeah, so that was an adventure, doing that. I didn't want to do it the next year. And then it got way more professional, and I kept on making submissions, and they kept on rejecting me, and I was like, \"You guys have left me in the dust.\" But I did submit this year, so we'll see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1782.21,1798.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I've participated in the ritual that they do where they try to figure out what to put in the calendar. There are boxes and boxes and boxes of submissions. Women sit around and they get a folder, and they look through the folder, and then on the back, they write, \"I love it,\" \"It's okay,\" \"I don't like it,\" \"I hate it.\" There's little check marks. You sit there and you do that for an hour or two, and then they give you a calendar. But it takes a village to figure out what goes in, because if just the core group of We'Moon was trying to do that, it would be impossible. The submissions are just so overwhelming. I don't even know how they look at it all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1799.46,1830.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was fun. It's a good reference, the We'Moon calendar. A lot of women just— you’d be surprised how many people know about the We'Moon, who aren't lesbians or whatever. Like at work the other day, I said to a colleague, \"I have some submissions for the We'Moon calendar,\" and she's like, “Ah! The We'Moon! I love that calendar!\" I'm like, \"How do you know about that calendar?\" So it's pretty out there. It's pretty famous now, so that's cool. And it's so beautiful, so woman-focused.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1832.06,1859.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, so Ní Aódagaín and I— Okay, so gani and I took on a foster child, totally outside of the system. There was a lesbian in our community who had a child, and she couldn't do it. She just couldn't— she didn't have appropriate housing, she was trying to work, she was trying to— she just couldn't do it. The child had been living with the mother's mother and male partner in a trailer with far too many small dogs, and had been being neglected and abused by her grandparents. And then she came to live with her mother, and her mother just didn't have it. She didn't have appropriate housing or enough time to take care of her child.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1859.33,1906.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't even know how we met her. I have no idea how that connection happened, but she came to live with us, and she was giving us— I don't know, $100 a month or something to take care of this child.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1907.22,1917.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How old was the child?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1917.06,1917.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: She was— she lived with us for a year, so I'm going to say she was nine when she moved in with us, so ten when she went back to her— maybe closer to eleven. Maybe it was a couple of years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1917.99,1927.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, she moved in with us, and we had—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1927.18,1930.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Is this when you were down at OWL Farm?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1930.51,1931.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: We were still in Eugene.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1931.22,1932.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Oh, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1932.68,1932.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: gani and I were living out River Road on McClure Lane. The garage had a little room off the back of it, so I gave her my room and I moved into that room, so she had her own bedroom. She was a very interesting child. She was— like one time, we left her alone for a little while, and she couldn't figure out how to get the peanut butter jar open, so she opened it with a can opener, like the sharp-y point of the can opener? She knew how to survive, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1932.8,1959.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, she was very interesting, and very artistic. Lots of art. Lots and lots of art.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1961.16,1966.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We took her to OWL Farm, and she totally fell in love with OWL Farm. She said, \"We have to move here,\" and Ghani and I were like, \"It's not that easy. It's very complicated to move to OWL Farm.\" She said, \"No, no, we have to move here.\" She was like, \"We have to move here. We have to move here. We have to move here.\" For some reason— who knows even what all the strands were— Ghani and I let her talk us into this adventure, to move to OWL Farm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1968.42,1993.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We moved to OWL Farm. We made arrangements with our jobs, we let our house go, all this stuff, we moved to OWL Farm. Ghani and I lived in two separate houses. She lived on the quiet house on the hill, and I lived in a trailer down closer to the parking lot, which exists no longer— The parking lot does, the trailer doesn't— and we shared Amanda being with us alternate nights. Then I fell in love with someone else, and gani and I broke up, and— I don't even know what the order of events are, but Amanda decided she didn't like living in the woods, she wanted to move back to Eugene.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=1994.6,2027.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We're like, \"Honey, it's not that easy. We can't just, like, ‘Okay, we're not living here now. We're going to go back to Eugene.’ We don't have our house, we don't— It's not that easy.\" And we had made arrangements with our jobs. It was just— Then she was unhappy, and then gani and I were having— well, maybe she was unhappy, and so she moved in with her mom, and her mom was living in Springfield, and she took her little self over to South Eugene where you could self-enroll, and enrolled herself into Springfield. I mean, at this point, she had purple hair. Way before her time. She was like this Goth kid. She did not fit in with normal kids, and she's like, \"I am not going to Springfield High School.\" So, she went over and enrolled herself into South Eugene High School, and when they realized that she didn't live in the district, they told her that they didn't know if she could stay. Then they were like, \"Well, if you get good grades, you can stay.\" She was motivated to get good grades, so she graduated from South Eugene High School, which probably was one of her many, many, many saving graces. She still lived with her mom, but she went to South Eugene High School.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2027.39,2083.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So they figured it out, and I felt bad that by that point, I couldn't take her back. She begged to come back to me, and I was like, \"I can't. I don't— \" gani and I were breaking up. I couldn't live with her full-time in a trailer that was barely the size of this table. I was like, I couldn't, so she kind of went off on her own way. But we took care of her for a year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2083.53,2102.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But she loved OWL Farm, and it was just fun to see her blossom, and the other girls that would come to OWL Farm, and just be in that space and just be loved so much by us. They were all girls that— we didn't have boys come to OWL Farm. So that was really great. That's why we moved to OWL Farm. And then, I lived at OWL Farm for eighteen months. gani and I were ostensibly co- parenting Ní Aódagaín's child, Felice Ana, and then there was a— We were all sexual abuse survivors except for one of us, who had other issues, and we were trying to do everything by consensus, and we were trying to be fair to each other, and we're trying to share and be good, and all the meetings were by consensus. We had long conversations about toilet paper. I freaking started buying my own toilet paper so I could just be like, \"I don't use the collective toilet paper.\" I was stealing my toilet paper from Nancy's, actually, because I was still working there. I was like, \"I can't— No,\" because it was all this angst, and we didn't know how— we didn't have the skills at that point to figure out what was the underlying thing, so we'd have these long, incredibly long arguments about things like toilet paper. It was so frustrating. The meetings were difficult.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2102.62,2173.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I can't even remember all the things, but Ní Aódagaín and I increasingly were having difficulty communicating with each other. gani moved to Rainbow's End. She couldn't handle it that I was not being lovers with her anymore, and I started being lovers with robin, and that was more than she could handle. So gani moved to Rainbow's End, robin moved into the cabin that gani had been living in— this is the kind of stuff we did back then. We just— I mean, back in the day, in the early '70s, they actually prescribed people changing cabins every so often, and bedmates, for a little while. That didn't work, either.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2175.11,2208.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Prescribed how?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2208.8,2210.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: I'm not sure, because I wasn't there, but like, you know, \"We're all going to be non-monogamous here, so it's your night to sleep with her, and it's your night to sleep with her, and it's— you can't keep sleeping in that house all the time. You've got to now move to this house.\" Pelican couldn't handle it. She's the one who built the tree house. She's like, \"You all are crazy. I can't handle this. I'm going to spend my energy hauling all this wood two miles up the path through the poison oak to build a tree house,\" and she did, because she was like, \"I can't stand downtown OWL.\" And there was also, I think there was someone who was abusing alcohol, which is— you know, the land trust agreements started to come into play at that point, and one of them was no alcohol on the land, and— because it was just too much. You couldn't say, \"You can't be an alcoholic.\" Alcoholics don't always know they're alcoholics. So, no alcohol on the land.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2210.32,2258.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I remember Marty and I once, we got this six-pack of beer, and we bought it, and we didn't bring it on to OWL proper, we went up the logging road— which was kind of one of the borders of OWL— and we went way up into the old-growth trees with our six-pack of beer and [laughs] drank this six-pack of beer together. It was really fun. It was really fun. But we didn't drink it on OWL Farm. I don't know if that was bending the rules or not. We didn't talk about it much. But it was really fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2258.01,2288.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, anyway, let's see, what else— Ní Aódagaín and I had a horrible fallout, Madrone tried to mediate, and my narrative is that the mediation did not go well. I felt shut down by Madrone, which did not work for me. Ní Aódagaín — this is my narrative. Ní Aódagaín and I— I tried to talk to Ní Aódagaín about this within the last couple years, and she wasn't game, so this is kind of sensitive material, but I'm just going to— Ní Aódagaín, if you're watching this, I do love you. I'm doing my best.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2289.1,2320.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, my narrative is that at that time, Ní Aódagaín likened me to a perpetrator in my relationship with Felice Ana, and forbade me to make any overture to Felice Ana whatsoever. If Felice Ana said hi to me, I could say hi back, but I was not to say hi to her, I was not to initiate any contact with her, I was not to have her at my space, of course, because I was doing things that were trying to entice her into my sphere like a perpetrator would do. And I think it had something to do with gifts. I was not to give her any gifts. It was a— there was supposed to be like this firewall between me and Felice Ana, who had been, ostensibly, a child that I was co- parenting for. We'd had this scene that was like she was like my sister, Ní Aódagaín was my sister, and we were like this, and now this thing happened where she's telling me I can't even talk to this child. And I said, \"I can't live like that.\" Instead of saying— which is what I would do now— of course, I wouldn't live like that now, but— I would say, \"Well, I'm not comfortable with honoring that boundary. We have to figure out some other way of helping you feel safe.\" But instead, I said, \"I'm not going to do that. I'm moving to Cabbage Lane. I'm leaving.\" Because we were young then, and we could go, \"Fine, I'm leaving!\" So, I did. I left.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2321.52,2402.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Poor robin, robin was like, \"Could we talk before you just make a decision like that?\" I said, \"Sure, but I am leaving,\" and she's like, \"I would have liked to have been part of the process,\" and I'm like, \"Okay, let's pretend that decision hasn't been made yet. Hey, robin, I can't live like this. I'm thinking about moving to Cabbage Lane.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2402.56,2418.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What do you think?\" We did this whole thing, and underneath, I'm like, \"I'm leaving.\" Poor robin. I was so flamboyant, and my personality still is kind of startling to a lot of people, but back then, it was way worse!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2418.08,2433.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anyway, I left! I moved to Cabbage Lane. Cabbage Lane at the time was inhabited originally— again, this is what I've heard, and I may not be accurate— by men and women that were together, and then they split on sexuality lines, and the women stayed down at Cabbage and were lesbians, and the men went up to Lilac Ridge and were gay men together. That's what I've heard. I don't know if that's true, because I wasn't there, but Zarod would know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2434.04,2459.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Cabbage Lane was inhabited by these straight people who became gay, and women lived down here, and the men lived up here, and then the men went to San Francisco and the women went all the different places they went. Zarod lives in Portland now with her partner, Gail. And there were different women in and out of Cabbage Lane, of course. Pelican lived there for a while, a woman named Kaya lived there for a while. It was kind of a— And boys could be there. Kaya? Is that her name? She had a boy, and so boys could be there up to age— something. I don't know, maybe it was eight, maybe it was twelve, I don't know. But that was really great for women who had boy children, because at OWL— when I lived at OWL, boys were welcome to age six, but I never saw any boys at OWL. Or maybe only once? Cabbage kind of became the place where children were welcome, and particularly where women who had boys were a little bit more welcome. They did childcare collectives and all that kind of stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2460.47,2522.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But when I moved to OWL Farm [Cabbage Lane], there was one woman kind of squatting there— which we allowed because she was female, but she wasn't a part of our community. She wasn't lesbian or anything. Her name was Magic. She had a dog. She was camping, long-term camping, where Trillium had been. Trillium had burned to the ground. You came up on this land, and then Trillium was on the right, and the main house was on the left, and you could drive up a little further if you had a good enough car.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2523.35,2549.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then, if you walked down this little path, there was a cabin called Star, and then if you went way back up into the woods— several miles back up into the woods— well, at least two— there's a little tiny cabin called Cedar Cabin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2550.86,2561.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We re-roofed Cedar. Marty was still female at that time, and Marty hauled all that roofing up on her shoulders. It was incredible to watch the strength of just— the mind boggled about how to get all that lumber up there to build a little cabin. We were just so strong, and just like, \"Yeah, I'll take that stack of two-by-fours up the hill.\" When I got there, I was a little bit over thirty, and I wasn't hauling no roofing up that— no. I was doing good to get two gallons of water up there, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2562.07,2595.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Water was an issue at Cabbage. It had a seasonal spring, which meant no water in the summer, so all our water in the summer was hauled up to Cabbage. robin and I created a Cabbage Lane newsletter and kind of got Cabbage back on the map of the southern Oregon lesbian community, land dyke community, and then did some fundraising, did some, \"Hey, Cabbage Lane, let's buy it back from the boys,\" kind of thing. And we did. Not me \"we\", but we— after I left Cabbage, other women kind of picked up the baton, and the guys sold it to us for something super cheap. It was worth more than what we paid for it. We got the boys off the deed, and now Cabbage is struggling in other ways, but we've held it all these years, so— I lived at Cabbage Lane for about eighteen months, and I was still a part of the community, because back then, in the narrative I have, you're a lesbian, you're in the lesbian community. If you have a fallout with someone, you break up with someone, you have a fallout, you still go to the events. I mean, maybe you don't once or twice, maybe, \"I just can't handle it today,\" but it's still your community. You don't divorce your community. You can't. So you go to the event, and you're like, \"Ugh, she's over there. Oh my god, I can't believe she's holding so-and-so's hand! Ah!\" or whatever, but you go! You go!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2596.19,2673.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The army of ex-lovers cannot fail was really our thing, and we maybe didn't sit right— I mean, it took gani and I years and years and years to be able to say, \"Okay, I made some mistakes.\" \"Yeah, I made some mistakes, too.\" \"Yeah, I wish I could've been friends with you all those years.\" \"Yeah, okay, but here we are now.\" So now when gani walks into a room, I'm not like, \"Oh, there's gani!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2673.92,2693.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What do I do?\" I mean, we're not friends yet. I'm hoping someday we will be. But it was rough, you know? You go anyway, and you just— whoever shows up is part of the community and you do it anyway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2693.28,2703.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They're still like that. You read The Grapevine, which is an email list that goes out to the southern Oregon lesbian community, and they're like, \"Thanksgiving at Jemma and Dana's!\" Well, if you get The Grapevine, you get to go! Concerts, Whispering Oaks camp-out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2703.08,2717.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Even if someone's really obnoxious or has mental health issues or whatever, you can ask them not to bring their alcohol, but they can come! They can come. Everyone can come. Everyone's welcome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2717.98,2726.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's really cool, and is not the kind of space that I feel like I can hold. I certainly can't hold it by myself. When I have events at my house, I don't put it on the email list. I'm like, \"No. There are people out there that I don't want coming to my house.\" But Fly Away Home is not like that, and Whispering Oaks is not like that, and Jemma and Dana's is not like that, and OWL was certainly not like that. If you could walk up the road, you could be there. You could be there. So that's just different. Cabbage Lane was like that, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2727.21,2753.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's just different.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2753.34,2754.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it's different even now for OWL, because there's this whole process about how to get there and be a visitor, because it's— there's not the container that there once was. I mean, it used to be you'd walk up the road, and yeah, you might walk up the road and have this really obnoxious person or whatever, but you could kind of tag-team dealing with that person, or five of you could sit down with that person and be like, \"Okay, we need to talk about this,\" but right now at OWL Farm, there's one person, and her skills aren't that great for managing that kind of stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2754.64,2785.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's one woman that lived at OWL Farm— I don't know what happened to her. Her name was Luna, and she used to be a professor, a university professor somewhere. She lived in Hawaii for a while. She was the trippiest woman, and OWL Farm held her in a way that nowhere else could have. She refused to use anything metal, because that was of men. She was totally anti-patriarchy, all the way through her being, so she didn't even use a metal pot. Or maybe she only had one pot. I don't know. She didn't want to use anything that was man-made. She made these little teeny tiny fires to cook her food, and her life's work was working on the mother tongue. She said \"ooh\", \"ah\", and \"ee\" were of the mother tongue, and she had this whole thing about what that all meant. She had pages and pages of this thing that she was writing about, the mother tongue.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2786.09,2838.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She was a little crazy, I think, but she was also brilliant in her— I think she had some mental health issues, but she also had this really deep, incredible intelligence, and it was always hard for us to figure out what was coming out when. She was difficult.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2839.04,2853.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Do you know what happened to her?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2853.58,2854.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: I don't. Ní Aódagaín might? I don't know. She was very interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2854.73,2858.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I remember once she said to me, \"Once, I was in Hawaii, and I had ten cents, and I was hungry. What would you buy if you had ten cents and you were hungry?\" I was like, \"I have no idea. I've never been hungry in my life.\" I mean, I had issues. My parents were working-class. There were things that I didn't get, but not food. I said, \"I don't know.\" She said, \"I bought peanuts.\" I was like, \"That sounds like a good choice.\" She was very interesting. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2858.79,2886.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Can you describe what a circle was? And the purpose of the circles?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2886.81,2891.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"On the lesbian lands.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2892.28,2893.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: Yeah, so the ritual circles?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2893.43,2895.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Ritual circles.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2895.07,2895.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: Okay, so the ritual circles were conducted almost always in this way. We usually did them at dark moon, new moon, or on a high holy day, which is solstice, equinox, and then there's the cross- quarter days, which is Samhain— which is Halloween— Candlemas, Lammas, and— another one. Beltane. Of course!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2895.19,2915.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Beltane! That was one of our favorites! We were pretty dedicated to all that. I mean, I'm not sure we celebrated every cross-quarter days, but definitely Samhain was held at Fly Away Home every year, and Beltane, because there was all these things to do for Beltane. Oh my gosh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2915.24,2929.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, for most of the circles, we would call the directions— somebody would figure out what was east, west— We'd start with the east, call in the south, then the west, then the north, and then various things could happen after that. Sometimes people would call above, below the center. Sometimes people would call in goddesses or whatever. But the directions would be called this way; east—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2929.78,2954.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And people would be in a circle holding hands?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2954.99,2958.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: Sometimes we held hands, sometimes we were sitting, sometimes we were standing. I mean, it just varied. So then, depending on the circle— depending on if somebody was leading it, or if it was just a talking circle where each woman would get her turn. That's the way they do it at Fly Away Home. They've been doing Fly Away Home that way for as long as I can remember. I don't reckon they'll change it. And I don't think they call in directions, at least not always.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2958.42,2980.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At Fly Away Home, the road woman starts the circle, and the rattle is passed, and then the road woman holds the circle and finds out if it needs to be passed again, and then the rattle just keeps getting passed until no one has anything to say.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2980.95,2995.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What's a road woman?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2995.27,2996.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: She's the one who starts the circle. She opens the circle. Usually the road woman would take the rattle, and then say— sing. Well, at Fly Away Home, it's all singing. [Singing] You sing what you want to express, in any kind of singing tone you want, because singing opens your heart, and that acts— And you can sing a song. You know, [singing] \"Women are we; sacred are we; we are the— \" You can sing a song that everyone knows and they can sing with you, but whatever you're expressing to yourself, you sing. That's the Fly Away Home model.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=2996.41,3027.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then the circle, it goes around as many times, and then sometimes it's like we get tired— especially when we get older— and so the road woman is holding the rattle, and she's looking around the circle at people who talk a lot, like Mara, like, \"Do you really need to say something?\" And then it goes around and Mara gets the rattle, and we all go like this to her [shaking hand], and then she says something, or she doesn't, or she has a little something. When the rattle goes around and no one says anything, then the road woman closes the circle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3027.29,3056.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Road, R-O-A-D?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3056.86,3058.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3058.59,3058.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3058.93,3059.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: Yeah. Yeah, like the road. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3059.33,3061.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3062.73,3062.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: And then it depends. If it's Halloween, Samhain, then we talk about the veil being the thinnest right now, and we sing about our ancestors, and we talk about the people who have died in the last year, and we talk about grief, and— I mean, you don't have to. You can say whatever you want, but when we're doing Samhain, those are the kinds of things that come up. When you're doing Summer solstice, you talk about balance— Not solstice, equinox, the Fall equinox or the Spring equinox— about balance, because the night and the day are the same, and how am I bringing balance into my life, or how have I not been balanced, or— You know, they're themed. And Beltane is— Fly Away doesn't hold Beltane, they hold Solstice, Equinoxes, and Samhain.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3062.79,3106.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"For Beltane, you build a fire and you jump over the fire, and you're inviting something into your life. Sexuality is fine, but it doesn't have to be sex, it can be anything. We always jump the fire on Beltane. That's what we did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3108.31,3121.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At OWL Farm, the rattle would go around, but there would also be things that we would hold, so if someone was leading the circle, we would say, \"Now we're all going to sing this song, or do this thing, or each woman's going to jump over the fire.\" A lot of the circles, women would have this kind of heuristic where you open the circle, you find something to do that's grounding and connecting with everybody there, then you find a way to bring the energy up— it might even just be like starting with a really low tone and going “ooooooh,” and if you have thirty women doing that, you can hold it, because you can take a breath and then make more noise, and take a breath. And then the energy comes down, and everyone touches the ground, and you bring the energy back to the earth. That was kind of a wave of doing a ritual. That was one way to do it. It just kind of depended on who was leading it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3123.83,3176.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But generally speaking, the directions were called in, there was a way to open the circle, and then there was a way to close the circle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3177.51,3183.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And frequently women would say, \"If you need to leave the circle, please let us know,\" or, \"Make sure you open and close,\" or, \"Make sure you go from here,\" or, \"Make sure you don't,\" whatever, whatever. There were all these rules. And at Fly Away Home, they do say that if you start in the circle, don't just leave. You leave when the rattle comes all the way back to the road woman. Then you can say, \"I can't do this anymore.\" We're all getting older. When we were all younger, we would— I remember we did this circle once at Fly Away Home— I will never forget this. It was so intense. It must have been Summer Solstice, and we did that circle for— we were there for hours. Hours and hours and hours. And there was this one thing that happened to me where I was totally channeling the women who used to walk the ley lines on the earth. One of the things that is said out there in our culture is that the earth is a living being, and she has ley lines, just like we have energy lines in our body. And there were women who would walk the ley lines to help that connection between the people and the earth. And I had this memory of being one of these women who would walk the ley lines, and the men came, and they cut open the bottoms of our feet. So, we couldn't walk our ley lines anymore, and they were severing us from our sacred work, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3183.61,3266.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had this memory, and I was just so— it was so visceral, you know? And Ní Aódagaín was there, and she was holding my feet, and I was telling her how they were cutting my feet, and we were wailing. We were having this cathartic, healing, wailing, intense channeling. I don't even know, but I'll tell you, it was real. It felt really real, and still does, you know? And we would just be like, \"Okay, however imperfectly, we're bringing this back, our ways of holding the earth and being connected to the earth. We're bringing it back with these rituals that we do.\" We used to do stuff like that. It doesn't seem to be that dramatic anymore. We're all in our— I'm one of the youngest. I'll be fifty- seven in September, and I go down to Fly Away Home and I'm frequently one of the youngest women there. And these women who are approaching their eighties, they're not going to be up until 2:00 in the morning doing rituals anymore. It's like, \"I need to go to bed.\" The energy level has dropped a little bit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3266.97,3334.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Was there a movement back and forth among the women to go from the southern Oregon lesbian lands up to Eugene and then back again? Do you have any sense of that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3334.6,3346.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: Yeah, I think so, and from San Francisco up to OWL and the lands.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3346.06,3349.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mm-hmm (affirmative). Yep. There were women coming up— That's how I met Marty. Marty came up from— Marty was living in L.A., and Marty and Green— so, Green came to Dyke Art Camp, and that's how they found the Southern Oregon lesbian community. That was another draw, Dyke Art Camp at Rootworks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3350.12,3364.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marty and Green came up for Dyke Art Camp. Well, Green did. I don't know that Marty went to Dyke Art Camp, but maybe she did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3365.38,3371.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He's a he now, but I'm just going to say “she” for the story, because— too much. It's too much to call Marty “he.” He went to OWL Farm, he birthed a baby. I'm just going to say “she” for the— because in that time frame, she was a she. Although he's very he right now. He's the father of my children, et cetera, but— Okay, so Marty and Green came up, and there were other women who came up, and I don't know if they were connected. No, the Bay Area women were Crow, Atava. There were a bunch of Bay Area women who came up, too. So there was this whole influx of women, young women— some of these women were twenty, twenty-one— young women coming up and occupying space at OWL Farm. For the summer, like I mentioned, the summers were very— I mean, you can camp in the summer. In the winter, it starts to rain and it's cold and it's dark and it's difficult to live at OWL Farm in the winter, and there's not that much housing. I mean, women did put up yurts and stuff, and figure it out, but it was— you couldn't house seventy-five women at OWL Farm in the winter. We didn't have the infrastructure for it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3371.68,3432.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But in the summer, you pitch a tent. There's plenty of places. So lots of women would come in the summer— Summer Solstices would be very popular— lots of activity, and then women would flow back into the cities, and then in the summers, it was kind of like that. Eugene, San Francisco. Not so much L.A., although we got Marty and Green from L.A. Dyke Art Camp, I don't know. I don't know where they advertised it, but Green found us that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3432.32,3458.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Can you briefly describe Dyke Art Camp?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3458.89,3461.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: I never went.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3461.24,3462.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3462.07,3462.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: So I know that it was cool and that people did it and that Jean Mountaingrove and Tee Corinne were part of it, and that it was very, very well loved by many, many women, but I never went.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3462.52,3472.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay. So when did you come back to Eugene, then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3472.36,3479.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: Just to back up a little bit, I left Cabbage Lane in '92 because I was unhappy with how many women of color we didn't have in our community. I just felt like Eugene was too white. I couldn't do the anti-racism work that I really wanted to do. It was too, we were too not multi-diverse. So I left! Because that's what I was doing in those days. \"I need to leave and do my work elsewhere!\" So I left, and then a bunch of different things happened. I went to Santa Fe and house sat for a while, and then I went to New Mexico, where there was a small collective of women that I was connected to through robin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3479.19,3516.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"robin met these women at the peace camp where the dykes were holding space in New York around the ammunitions. All that anti- nuke— there was a whole other thing that people could study about the dykes that held space in New York and in Greenham around the anti-nuke movement. robin lived in New York, and that's where she met Hershey and Loba and all these gals, and they were dykes in peace camp. They came to San Francisco. robin was one of those San Francisco dykes that came up to OWL and that's how I met her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3517.08,3553.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When I left Cabbage Lane and wanted to live with women of color, robin and I decided to go move in with Hershey and Loba, or at least be in proximity, because they were trying to create land with women of color. And they were kind of involved with the Women's Sundance and other things, so they had some— and Loba was Columbian, even though she could pass as white, so she identified as a woman of color who was also white, and so she identified as mixed race that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3555.35,3583.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We lived in Arizona in a wash. I lived in a tent in a wash, because it was summer and you can live in a wash in the summer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3584.38,3593.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What's a wash?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3593.36,3594.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: It's a place where the water comes through in the winter, so in those dry, dry areas when it rain-rain-rain-rain-rain-rain-rains, there's this whole whoosh!— these—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3594.19,3602.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: A wash of water.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3602.19,3602.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: Yeah. It's not even a seasonal stream, it's just a whoosh! because it rains, and then the water just comes screaming through these areas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3602.99,3610.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They even have streets in Tucson that are closed when it's raining, and open in the rest of the year, because the water needs to go somewhere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3610.54,3617.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We tried that, and I had a small inheritance. It was not very big. My grandfather had lived through the depression, and he had given us all— all four kids; I'm the oldest of four— $50,000, which, in the day, that seemed like a lot of money. It seemed like a lot of money to me. I was going to try to invest in this women of color adventure, and I finally just gave them a bunch of money and walked away from it. It just was so dysfunctional, and I couldn't— we just weren't getting anywhere. It was really awful. It was really difficult.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3620.47,3648.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Plus, I was displaced. I'm now living in the desert. I'm from the Pacific Northwest. I'm kind of part frog. I really like it cool and rainy, and I'm living in this environment that's just so alien and bright and difficult. Every day it's difficult for me. The only time I can be outside is early morning and late afternoon, and then I'm trapped in the house. It was just a very difficult environment for me physically.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3648.61,3672.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then I was drawn away from that by a job. Marty had a old friend from way back in college who had a boyfriend who was a set carpenter, and he had taught Marty a bunch of carpentry, and Bob wanted us on this set crew for this movie called Stargate. We got called because we lived in Arizona and they didn't have to pay us per diem to work on the movie crew. We moved to Yuma, Arizona and worked on this movie crew six days a week, ten hours a day as set carpenters, which made Bob happy because Bob liked to have a crew that would do what he told them to do, and he knew if he worked with women, that it would work. Working with men was difficult for him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3672.7,3716.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He got Marty and I hired onto this set crew, and then we worked there for a while, and Stargate was filmed in Yuma and also Los Angeles. Marty and I lived in Yuma, and then he made this thing called a flat machine. Maybe this isn't so interesting because it's carpentry stuff? Do you care about this? Okay. He made this thing called a flat machine, where the staplers were on these big bars.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3716.09,3739.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marty would stand at one end, I'd stand at the other, and you'd go boom, boom, boom, boom. We could make an eight-by-eight flat in four minutes. And pretty much four minutes, four minutes— I mean, you had to refill the staplers once in a while, and stuff like that. A person who's a really good set carpenter can make a flat in four minutes, but they generally can't make a flat, make a flat, make a flat. You slow down. It's hard to make— you have to be on it to make a flat in four minutes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3740.11,3765.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And what's the flat for?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3765.73,3766.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: They're movie walls. They're walls, so you can put them up— they’re for theater and movies. They're really thin walls that will fall over if they're not set up right, but they look like real walls. If you watch Bruce Lee movies, every once in a while someone will get thrown up against a wall, and the wall will go like this. It's because it's a flat, not a wall.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3767.11,3785.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We were the flat machine queens, Marty and I were, and we moved to Long Beach with the flat machine because not just anybody could run the flat machine. It had to be someone who knew how to take care of the machine. That made Bob really happy. I made more money than I've ever seen in my entire life. And now I'm in Long Beach, and I'm integrating into the lesbian community somewhat in Long Beach, and Long Beach— Long Beach is tricky, because all of L.A., the lesbians are in these tiny little pockets, and anything that you do with other lesbians, you have to drive to get there. The way Berkeley does community and the way Eugene does community and the way Portland does community, there's a community that you can find. There might be sub-communities, but there's a lesbian community in all those places. I didn't find that to be true in L.A. There were dykes in Long Beach and there were dykes over here and there were dykes doing karate and there were lesbians doing these different things, but there wasn't a community where you're like, \"Oh yeah, I saw you at the last— \" It wasn't like that at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3786.57,3843.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We lived in L.A. for a while with the flat machine. That job ended.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3844.86,3849.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marty started being a set carpenter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3849.86,3851.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And what year was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3851.58,3852.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: That's a good question. Ninety-two? No, that can't be right, because I left Cabbage Lane in '92. Must have been more like '94. Something like '94. Because Marty and I wound up moving to Berkeley in '96, and then we came up to Eugene in '96 to have our primarriage. We had a commitment ceremony that was a primarriage, because we were non-monogamous, so it wasn't a marriage. And then we stayed in Berkeley for eight years because— well, first my niece came to live with me, and then we decided to have a couple kids, so we just kind of got stuck there for a while. And then we moved back up to Eugene with the kids in 2004. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3852.67,3905.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We were doing that. We joined Karate Woman, which was a lesbian-owned martial arts dojo in the L.A. area. But, see, so we lived in Long Beach, then we moved in with Bob and Toni, the dojo was over here. I mean, everything was just so far away. And then we found a house in Tujunga Canyon, which was lovely for the hiking, and it was pretty good for me to go to California State Northridge, where I went a couple of terms and toyed with getting a deaf studies major, and then didn't. But it was all— everywhere you go, you try not to go out during rush hour, because then that makes everything worse.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3906.32,3946.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I did that for a while, and the lesbian community there— We played around with the SM community there, Marty and I did, so we had some community in the SM dyke community. There were some people who were like, we'd get together for a party or whatever, and it just wasn't the same. I mean, it was— people are lovely, lesbians are lovely wherever you find them, but it just wasn't the same kind of like, \"There's a community here.\" It just didn't have that feel to it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3946.83,3974.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's where Marty met his first female-to-male transsexual— transgendered person— and he was like, \"Ooh, maybe that's me,\" and I was like, \"Ew, gross. Why would you want to do that? Can't you just be a butch dyke? You're so cute as a butch dyke.\" I mean, I said all the wrong things. You know, whatever. I look back on it now and say, \"I said all the wrong things.\" I started reading— Kate whoever she is, and Joan— no. Who's the woman who wrote Stone Butch Blues?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=3976.09,4004.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Leslie Feinberg.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4005.31,4005.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: Yes. I started reading all that stuff, and I'm like, \"Okay, something's going on for you that I don't understand. Maybe I'll be curious instead of saying, “Ew, gross. Why would you want to be a man?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4005.63,4012.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Men are so stinky!\" So then he kind of played around with that idea for a while, but the only F-to-Ms that he could find in L.A. were, like, really cool, really well-dressed gay men. Women who became gay men. You know, pumping iron, making their bodies look all eh-eh-eh-eh-eh, and he was like, \"I cannot. That is not— I can't— That is not me.\" He was like, \"That is not me.\" She.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4012.76,4043.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then we decided that we wanted to be more with our community, so we moved to Berkeley. We moved to Berkeley, and Marty then met FtMs who were, like, crunchy granola dykes. They just happened to be male. Like men who wanted to eat organic and do potlucks and stuff. And he was like, \"Ooh, this really is me,\" and I was like, \"Ew. Ugh. Okay, but I want to be a lesbian, so if you want to be F-to-M, I'm willing to be flexible about that, but I'm not going to be your primary partner. I'll be your secondary partner.\" Because, you know, we'd been non-monogamous our whole relationship.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4043.9,4081.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm like, \"You need to do what you need to do; I need to stay with what's real for me. So if you do that thing, I'm going to just— we’ll just be secondaries.\" \"Well, I want to be primaries.\" And I'm like, \"Okay, but you kind of have to make a choice, because I don't want to be primary partners— I don't want the F-to-M community to be my community. That's not what I want. I want to be in the lesbian community,\" and he was like, \"Okay. Well, maybe I won't even do it until I'm forty, because the hormones are so hard on your liver.\" I was like, \"Okay, that sounds good.\" Forty seemed forever from there. \"Ten years down the line? Oh, that's forever.\" Ten years down the line doesn't seem forever anymore, but at the time, I'm like, \"Okay.\" And then, we'd also been toying back and forth about whether or not to have children. \"Should we have kids? Should we adopt?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4081.46,4120.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Should we have a foster kid?\" We were going back and forth, back and forth, and Marty was like, \"I don't want to have kids unless we have a job that has money, with healthcare.\" That was his thing. I'm like, \"Okay. Well, if that's what you need.\" Looking back on it, I’m like, \"That is so reasonable,\" but at the time, I was like, \"People have kids all the time! Why do you need healthcare and a job?\" Anyway, that was his thing. That's what he wanted. He wanted healthcare and a job and all that kind of good stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4120.39,4144.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then we decided we weren't going to have kids. They cost too much money, they're too much trouble, too much time, too much effort. All things that I still agree with, by the way. But then a friend of mine— a lesbian couple that we knew, that we were close to, that we'd met through the dojo, through the Karate Women— they decided they were going to have a kid. Of course, we knew they were pregnant, they were about to have this kid, and then they had this kid. They named this kid Kol Eva. K-O-L. ‘Kol’ means ‘voice’ in Hebrew— Jewish family— and the partner of the woman who birthed the child called me and told me that she was born, and I just fell apart. I was just like, \"I'm supposed to have a baby.\" It was just like, \"She's the voice from the other side. Her name's ‘Voice,’ she brought the voice from the other side. Somebody wants us to be parents. That's what I'm supposed to do.\" Marty came home from work, and I'm still crying, and I'm like, \"I'm supposed to have a baby. That's what I'm supposed to do.\" I mean, we had decided we weren't going to. I was thirty-six at this proclamation. And Marty said, \"That's it! I'm supposed to have a baby, and then I can become a man!\" Well, by this point, we were already primarried. I told him, \"I don't even want to have a primarriage if you're going to become a man, because I want my community to be the lesbian community.\" But by this point, I've decided I have to have a baby, she is deciding she's going to have a baby and then she's going to become a man, and we've already made this primarriage commitment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4147.02,4232.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then what I took on is, \"Okay. Gender is a social construct. I am going to figure out this thing about gender, and I'm going to transcend gender, because I love Marty, and Marty's going to be my partner, and we're going to do this thing, and I'm going to lick this thing!\" So I tried really hard for— I don't know, when did I make that proclamation? I tried really hard. And then we had a couple kids, and then Marty changed into a guy, and that was really hard for me. I just didn't— I didn't like the way he looked without breasts, I didn't feel attracted to him as a man. Some of the characteristics that he had as a woman, he continued to have as a man, and I was really offended. Like he didn't do any of the housework unless I begged him. Well, asked him, but— You know, he became less patient for emotional processing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4232.91,4282.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Of course, it was a little hard to tell, because we were also parenting these two small children, and my niece who had some trauma. We were trying to manage— And then he became unemployed, so we were managing a gender transition, unemployment, a traumatized at the time five-year-old, babies who were then developmentally whatever, becoming toddlers and stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4282.07,4301.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was just too much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4303.08,4304.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Who carried the children?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4304.66,4305.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: I carried one, she carried one. So, she had a baby, and seven months later, I had a baby. The kids were seven months apart. Which is not like having twins. It's not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4305.66,4314.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Did you have the same donor?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4315.04,4315.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: Yes. Yes. They're biologically— we went to the sperm bank. We tried a bunch of different ways to— like, friends of friends, and men, whatever, but then we were so relieved to go to the sperm bank and be like, \"Okay—\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4316.2,4327.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Is this the Sperm Bank of California in Berkeley?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4330.12,4332.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: Yep. We used the Sperm Bank of California in Berkeley, and the sperm cost $185 for a little tiny teeny vial that had— I mean, the vial's this big around, and about this tall. One hundred eighty-five dollars a vial. That was for a known donor. The unknown donor was cheaper— $140 a vial— and we were like— we didn't feel like we could take that away from our kids. We felt like if they wanted to know who their biological father was eventually, that they should be able to— Now my kids are eighteen and they're completely not interested.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4332.2,4361.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That money was down the toilet, but whatever. It's fine. And I, at the time, was actually taking my sexy ass over into Marin County and giving men full— not full service— massage with a release, which means you jerk them off. It wasn't full service. I never did full service. “Erotic massage,” they called it. Making pretty good money over there, so I could truck the money over to the sperm bank to buy sperm so I could try to get pregnant. That's what I was doing!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4361.68,4389.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"People were like, \"Why don't you just— “I’m like, \"Yeah, right! I don't know where it comes from. He's going to be anonymous. I don't even know if he's shooting blanks. I'm not sticking some anonymous dude's sperm up my— no!\" But it was sort of ironic that I'd be like, \"Okay, and now I'll go over here and buy this sperm for— .\" It was— and then once I got pregnant, I stopped doing that, because it was just too— it was too much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4391.18,4413.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anyway, that was an interesting adventure. I was doing that, and Marty was working, and then when Marty lost his— well, he went to interview at California State— He went to interview at UC Berkeley for a database job, because he'd taught himself how to manage databases— and their fundraising—. You know, all universities have a fundraising place where they try to get more money from alum and all that kind of stuff. There was a job opening to manage the database for the fundraising database, and he went to apply for that job. He was in transition, he was taking some hormones, he'd had his first upper body surgery, he was heading for his second in a few months, and somebody assumed he was male and called him “him.” At that point, he then started to identify as “he” everywhere he went, which was a relief to me, because up until that point, I had to call him “he” to all the F-to-Ms and the people in that community, and I had to call him “she” to everybody else. I could do one or the other, but to try to manage which one I was doing in the moment?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4414.38,4478.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was difficult.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4479.07,4479.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So anyway, he transitioned to male, and we had two young children who knew that Marty used to be a man, and they used to have these delightful conversations. I remember when we got this new neighbor. She came, and my son said to her, \"This is my mom, and my dad's my mom, too, because my dad birthed me and then he became my dad,\" and she was like, \"That's actually not possible.\" She then looked at me, and I said, \"It's what happened.\" We'd have these conversations where the kids just knew that that was their reality. When they got a little older, I was like, \"You might want to be a little more careful.\" Then we moved up to Oregon in 2004, so the kids were four. Kite was almost five, and Mariner was four-and-a-half-ish. And I told them, \"In many circles, this is going to be fine, but in some circles, you might want to be careful.\" Then they went to school at Blue Mountain, which was really difficult. It was a free school, one of those Summer Hill kind of model school, and it was a really difficult place for them. Bad things happened there. But they went there for a year, and then they went to Trent Elementary, which exists no longer. I told them that they might not be able to talk to their peers about these things, and I don't know that I ever really needed to do that. It's never been an issue for them. Any time they've ever said anything to anybody, people have been like, \"Cool,\" and they've moved on, but the climate has totally changed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4481.01,4569.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When Marty said, \"Yeah, yeah, I'm going to do this transgender thing,\" I'm like, \"You're going to do it here, in Berkeley, because I don't want you transitioning in Oregon. I don't want you to get killed for it.\" But, I don't know, maybe it would've been safe to do it up here. It's hard to tell. But at the time, the climate was changing, but it hadn't— in my mind, it hadn't changed. So, that's what happened.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4569.94,4591.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you still have a relationship with your family of origin?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4591.76,4594.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: Yeah, we stayed in touch with all them, and they were pretty cool with the whole Marty thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4594.17,4598.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How about the kids?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4598.14,4599.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: Yeah. Yeah. That was all fine. I mean, I wish that my kids had had a stronger relationship with my mom, who actually wound up marrying a lesbian. So, my mom, I now have two moms. But I just could never kind of get that going, and there was a big rift in my family for a while. When I first moved to OWL Farm and identified as a separatist, I wouldn't talk to any of the men in my family, and my mom was married to a man, and I was having difficulty in my relationship with my mom, so there was a period of about eight years where I didn't have much contact with my family. But by the time I had Marty and we had kids and all that kind of stuff, we started trying to bring it back in. Now we do a yearly family reunion and everybody's pretty cool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4599.46,4642.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Where did your kids go to school in Eugene?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4643.16,4644.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: They went to Trent Elementary, and then, the next year I took Mariner out of school, because he was having a lot of behavioral issues. He got identified as being on the autism spectrum, which— his diagnosis doesn't exist anymore, but at the time, it did. He got diagnosed with PDD-NOS— Pervasive Developmental Disorder- Not Otherwise Specified— and he does have, definitely, some developmental delay signs that I consider on the autism spectrum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4644.78,4672.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kite is very kinesthetic and very socially inclined, so we left him in school. Mariner was home schooled. Then Marty and Beth bought the house in Eugene, and I lived in a van for a little while and was kind of homeless and— my housing was kind of— but I was still seeing the kids half time. We were still doing half time, half time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4672.74,4691.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then the kids went to Adams Elementary in fourth grade, and then they went to Roosevelt Middle School, South Eugene. They just graduated from South.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4692.06,4701.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So they went where you went.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4701.43,4702.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: They went where I went. Yeah. They went where I went. And then, Mariner's going to go to Lane, and Kite's going to go to OSU. So they're starting to launch. Works for me. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4702.79,4714.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I want to say one more thing about OWL Farm and my experience with being a part of that community. Even though I was only a land dyke for eighteen months— or for two years; eighteen months and eighteen months. Three years total— there's something about having come into what I consider my adulthood in that milieu that I still draw on, on a regular basis. There's something about— I mean, I consider myself pretty Buddhist inclined, all that ‘all that is is we are all one’ kind of thing, but I got there through my feminine sensibilities, and in a milieu where the feminine was the deepest place we could go. The feminine was sacred. What we held in our bodies and in our spirits, and our connection with the earth, it was a special relationship that only women could hold.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4715.15,4766.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I really still feel like when I go into women only space, like OreGaia, which I just came from last weekend, or a Fly Away Home ritual, or Whispering Oaks— without trans women. I'm just going to say it. Without trans women, in a women-only space— there's something that's created there that feeds me, that feels like home, that feels magical, that I feel like I will draw on forever, even if I never step on land again. And I feel like OWL did that for many women. We came there, and we went away different. We went away with something that was forever in us. So, I just feel incredibly grateful for everybody who helped make that happen, because there was a whole bunch that happened before I showed up. Women pulling money together and figuring out how to do it and wanting to be on the land and knowing that that was important. And I have been so fortunate to walk into these sacred places on the shoulders of giants, on the shoulders or women who worked really hard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4766.84,4826.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I came out at a time where I could go through the streets with the dyke marches, and just be lesbian and proud, and not be afraid that I was going to lose my job the next day. Coming out in '82 was easy. It was easy. Only twice in my life have I felt that I'm in danger because I'm a lesbian, and that was because I was in a rural area and someone pegged me as a dyke and said something nasty to me, and I was like, \"Ooh, this is what women are talking about!\" But I've just been so fortunate to be able to be relaxed and in my body and own it without the need to be super protective and careful. I've never really had to be careful about being a witch, about being a dyke, and I just feel really grateful for that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4826.4,4873.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: I guess we have a couple more questions to ask you. One is, have you thought about lesbians and aging, and what's your future in Eugene as you age?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4877.94,4890.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: Yes. I'm much more concerned about my friends who live on land that are approaching their eighties and they're still moving their wood around for their primary source of heat. I feel concerned about their wellbeing and safety. When we fall and break at this age, it's not good, and I don't see them having great backup plans.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4890.95,4916.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Which is part of why I've decided not to continue to live on land.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4917.74,4920.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My house that I just bought with my domestic other, Georgia— we're not romantic, but we've made a commitment to live together and be each other's person. We check in at the end of the day, and we encourage each other to eat salad and stretch. All those things that aging women need. So we do that for each other. \"Okay, now I need some cardio. Okay. Let's make a commitment to go out there and really walk in the neighborhood.\" \"Okay.\" We're going to grow old together. This is our idea.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4921.64,4948.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We just bought a house. It's a split-level house, and the top level, there's no stairs going into it. That's part of what we loved about this house. If we wind up having mobility issues, we can live on the top floor, and have our young, very cute lesbian caregivers live on the bottom floor, because there's laundry facilities down there, there's a kitchen down there, and they can come up the stairs and help us out with our— hopefully not our Depends, but you know, whatever it is we need help with, because you know how it is when you get older. It might be Depends! So I have thought about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4948.88,4977.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I work in hospice. I'm a social worker in hospice, and I've seen what happens to people when they get old. I've seen what happens with dementia, and if I get diagnosed with dementia, I am going to go the way of Peg Morton. You know about Peg Morton?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4978.89,4991.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Why don't you—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4991.61,4992.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: Peg Morton got pneumonia. She was in our community. She was in her eighties, I think eighty-six or something like that. She got pneumonia and did a round of being in the hospital or whatever, and she said, \"I am not going to continue to use up these resources.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=4992.4,5006.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't want to be medicalized. My time has come. I'm going to stop eating and drinking.\" There's a thing called Voluntarily Stopping Eating and Drinking. We call it VSED, because social workers make everything an acronym, and it's a thing that people can do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=5006.2,5021.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's Death with Dignity in Oregon. There is. Tee Corinne used Death with Dignity. But to qualify with Death with Dignity, you have to have a diagnosis that you will die within six months, you have to be of sound mind, and you have to be able to take the medications yourself. You have to see two doctors at least fifteen days apart, and if you get a diagnosis of Alzheimer's, you don't qualify for Death with Dignity. MS, ALS, Parkinson's, none of those diagnoses will qualify for Death with Dignity, because all of those disease processes mean by the time that you qualify to take the medication, for some reason or another, you can't. ALS, you can't take the medication yourself. Same with Parkinson's. It's just, it's not— it's great that we have Death with Dignity, in my opinion, but it doesn't work for everybody.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=5022.54,5071.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"VSED, however— Voluntarily Stopping Eating and Drinking— if you decide that you're done, you can just not eat and drink. It's not romantic. It's not easy. But it is a way that you can do it, and Peg Morton a couple of years ago decided to take this route, and her community was heartbroken. She was an activist. She wasn't a lesbian, that I know of, but she was an activist, a very strong peace activist, an environmentalist. She has a lesbian daughter. She has another daughter, I don't know her sexual orientation. Her daughters weren't happy. They weren't ready for her to go. Her community wasn't ready. And she basically said, \"It's my life, it's my choice. I'm going.\" That was really— she was a really pioneer for us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=5071.42,5115.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, that's my route. If I get Alzheimer's, I'm not going to have my kids struggle whether or not they should come visit me when I don't recognize them anymore. I'm not going to do that. We're using far too many of our resources to poke food in people's mouths who don't even know who they are anymore. They can't even say their own names. That's not okay. And we can't kill them, because we don't live in that kind of culture. But something needs to shift, because we're spending an incredible amount of resources keeping people alive who have no— from this perspective, the quality of life that they have is negligible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=5115.83,5150.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you imagine aging in community?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=5150.73,5155.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: Oh yeah, well that's what Georgia and I are creating. My sister just moved in with us, and so we have— she’s fifty-one. She'll be fifty- two in September. Georgia's fifty-two. I'm fifty-seven. Our idea is that we will age together, and that if Lynn moves out, maybe someone else will move in. The downstairs rooms are downstairs, so, as we age, some of us don't do the stairs so well. Right now the stairs aren't a problem for me. Some people will do stairs until they're ninety-whatever. So we talk about that. Georgia and I talk about that. I talk about it with my sister.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=5155.14,5188.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: I mean the broader community, like the way you have been with lots of lesbians.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=5188.42,5193.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: Around? I can't imagine that we won't still want to be around each other. I like the idea of trying to cultivate friendships with younger women, because what I see with women who are elderly— not just lesbians, but elderly women— their family and their friends die, and then pretty soon it's basically just them. Unless they have a strong family, which a lot of us don't. So I'm a fan of cultivating relationships with younger— especially women, and having— and I have chosen family that are not just lesbians. I like to cultivate— I have a family in my life who's— well, she's bisexual and non- monogamous, but she happens to be married to a monogamous man. Behaviorally, she's sexually monogamous, but I know that she's non-monogamous and bisexual. Not that it really matters, but she's my best friend. And they have a couple of kids, and those kids relate to me as a goddess— well, I'm goddess aunt to one, and goddess mother to the other. And they're my family. So I'm expecting that, as they get older, I'll still be family with them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=5193.4,5254.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This woman who's a friend of mine is younger than me, and I like that, that she's younger than me. I'm like, \"Maybe you'll bring me soup if I need it,\" you know? I'm a fan of cultivating that. And the lesbians that I love and create community with, they’re maybe one half-circle out where, yes, we have community gatherings at my home or whatever like that, but we're a little bit more— Community can be defined many different ways. There's the community that I live with, that are my family, my chosen family, and I expect that if they need or want something, or I— that we're going to try to figure that out together. And then one step out would be the lesbians that have been in my life that maybe come over and party. And then another step out would be women that I've known forever in this community, like Lorraine and Laura Phillips, and like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=5255.23,5305.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They're not absolute boundaries. They're permeable. So, I'm going to be a lesbian for the rest of my life. I came back in 2011. I'm not leaving again. This is my community. Lesbians are really important to me, and I expect them always to be a part of my community, and then the in-and-out with the inner community. I don't know, I guess we'll find out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=5307.26,5328.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What do you think you brought specifically to the community that contributed and allowed you to find your place there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=5328.72,5336.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: Think Tigger. That's me. I'm not afraid to get up in front of everybody and say, \"Let's say ‘We love lesbians! We love lesbians!’\" That's me. I'll do it. I'll do it tomorrow. And women love that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=5336.78,5351.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They're like, \"Ooh, I can say that if everyone else is saying it!\" I'm really good at noticing different people and giving them kudos for— you know, I don't know why I keep talking about Lorraine Ironplow, but she gave us a lot of her intelligence, and she's got a fine mind. She's got a really beautiful perspective, and her voice adds to our choir. That's something that I can reflect to her and do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=5351.13,5380.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm really good at thanking people for what they do, and appreciating people. I love well, and I'm well loved, so love is important, you know? I'm not afraid to love people. Love, that's what I've brought to my community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=5380.88,5396.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: We have one last question to ask. If— fast-forward fifty years— there's a young person— maybe LGBT— person looking at your video, what message would you like to give to that person?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=5396.62,5410.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wilder: Well, see, LGBT are different things. I think one of the things that I feel sad about in our current way of looking at things is that LGBTQIAAAA— what the heck? For me, L is a thing, and G is a thing, and B is a thing, and T is a thing, and Q is a thing, and A is a thing, and I is a thing. They're all things. And when you put them into one big alphabet soup, I don't resonate with that. I don't sit under that umbrella. Pride does nothing for me, because I can't see the L in Pride. I heard that there were Ls, lesbians in the last Pride, and that it was a happening thing, but I didn't even feel motivated to go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=5410.64,5460.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Used to be it was the dyke march that we would go to, and it was mostly lesbians with a few straight women who supported us. I could relate to that. Behind the L is a woman, right? That's how we're lesbians is that we're women, and then we get to be lesbians.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=5460.78,5476.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, for me, lesbian is different from all those other things. And there's a temptation, in our current culture, to lump them under one category, because they're all not heterosexual, and I don't feel “lumpable.” And I think— that there's something about that. My guess is that even in fifty years, that there's something about that that will still be true. That there will still be women who are socially, emotionally, romantically— whatever— inclined to be intimate with other women, and that is the way that they feel is the most truest way to express their being, and that that is something that will be true forever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=5476.39,5520.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's my feeling of it. And that women—or people—who are bisexual or trans or queer or whatever are doing a different expression of what is not heteronormative. I mean, there's certainly plenty of people out there who are female born and attracted to men, and they want to get together with a man, and blah blah blah, and the reverse is true. That's fine. There's nothing wrong with that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=5520.89,5542.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And there are people who feel that way, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=5542.57,5544.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My wish is that we could somehow crack the boxes of what people are supposed to be, and help encourage them be what they want to be, and maybe that's lesbian. Which is not the same as being bisexual. It's just not the same. And for me, having come out in 1982, and been among women in all these intimate ways— both rolling around in bed with one or two other gals, and being in communities saying, \"I love lesbians!\" has been one of the profoundest experiences of my life, and I feel so grateful that I got to come out in 1982 and have that experience. Anybody who comes after me who wants to identify as lesbian, I hope you can feel the excitement and the love and the passion and the beauty of being able to be lesbian. Because I think it's the awesomest.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=5544.4,5595.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Thank you very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=5595.91,5598.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Thanks so much!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=5598.73,5599.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[END OF INTERVIEW]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605#t=5599.3,5599.4"}]},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56405/file/130605/transcript/92623/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/623/original/860_Coll520_do063_aligned.vtt?1776852381","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/623/original/860_Coll520_do063_aligned.vtt?1776852381"}]}]}]}