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She describes Corvallis in the 1960s, which was politically and socially conservative. She talks about the expectations of heterosexuality while growing up and as a young adult. She discusses the book The Well of Loneliness, and talks about loneliness. She came out after she moved to Eugene. She received an Interdisciplinary Master's Degree in Counseling, Psychology and Health and a certificate in Women's Studies from the University of Oregon in 1985, and started her therapy practice in 1986. Debora describes aversion therapy that damaged individuals, and her experience with the negative Christian perspective on homosexuality. She discusses homophobia, alcoholism and suicide. She counseled hundreds of lesbians in the course of her career, about twenty percent of whom had either alcohol problems or suicidal ideation. She describes the vibrancy of the Eugene lesbian community. In 1989, she became the lesbian counselor on the University of Oregon campus, sharing the job with Kathy Sullivan. They developed a \"lesbian life\" outreach program, and worked with PFLAG. She talks about the Oregon Citizen Alliance and Ballot Measure 9. She discusses the topics of humanity and self-esteem. She started a program for lesbians called \"Surviving the Holidays.\" She finishes her interview by discussing the aging of lesbians and talking about her fourth generation family farm, where she does organic farming with her partner.\n\nKey terms: Alcoholism; Barry, Kate; Bradley, Jill; Coming out (sexual orientation); Corvallis (Or.); Counseling psychology; Eugene Water \u0026amp; Electric Board (EWEB); Farming; Feminist bookstores; Heterosexuality; Homophobia; Homosexuality  --  Religious aspects; Identity (Psychology); Lane Community College (Eugene, Or.); Mother Kali's Books; Parents \u0026amp; Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG); Self-esteem; Social isolation; South Eugene High School (Eugene, Or.); Suicide  --  Oregon  --  prevention; The Well of Loneliness (book); University of Oregon; Weyerhaeuser Timber Company; Women in Transition Program."]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Debora Landforce (Interviewee)","Judith L. Raiskin (Interviewer)","Linda Long (Interviewer)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["In Copyright"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["https://scua.uoregon.edu/repositories/2/archival_objects/607013"]}},{"label":{"en":["Type"]},"value":{"en":["Moving Image"]}}],"summary":{"en":["The Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project Collection consists of interviews of 83 people for the Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project, conducted by Professor Judith Raiskin and Curator Linda Long at the University of Oregon starting in the summer of 2018."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["In Copyright"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/029/original/uo-logo-hires.png?1580744881","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/130/609/small/Coll520_do068.jpg?1637589731","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - Coll520_do068.mp4"]},"duration":6733.78133,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/130/609/small/Coll520_do068.jpg?1637589731","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-universityoforegonlibraries.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/130/609/original/Coll520_do068.mp4?1637589731","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":6733.78133,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["868_Coll520_do068_aligned [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: This oral history interview is part of the Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project. The recordings will be made available through the University of Oregon, Special collections and University Archives.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4.15,16.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is an oral history interview with Debora Landforce on Wednesday, September 4, 2019 taking place in the University of Oregon Libraries’ recording studio in the Center for Media and Educational Technologies. The interviewers are Linda Long, Curator of Manuscripts in the UO Libraries’ Special Collections and University Archives, and Professor Judith Raiskin of the UO Department of Women's, Gender and Sexuality Studies. Debora, please let us know if you agree to be recorded for this project, and that you give your permission for the university to preserve and make available your recorded and transcribed interview.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=17.27,56.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: I do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=56.22,56.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Thank you very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=56.74,57.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=57.81,57.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: You're welcome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=57.93,58.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Let's just begin with a basic question. Can you please tell us when and where you were born, where you grew up, and something about your early background?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=58.36,66.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Sure. I was born on August 7, 1952 in Enterprise, Oregon. And we were living in Joseph at the time. Kind of still sometimes wished I lived in Joseph. But, there was no hospital in Joseph, so we went over to Enterprise. I lived there for about three years, and then came to Corvallis. I was mostly raised in Corvallis.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=66.95,91.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Why did you need the hospital in Enterprise?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=91.44,95.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: I guess that's how they did it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=95.37,96.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Oh, to be born?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=96.9,97.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Yeah, to be born.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=97.61,101.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Oh, I thought you meant your parents needed to be working there or something?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=101.35,102.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=102.77,103.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What did your parents do?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=103.21,104.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Well, my dad was a County Extension agent in Wallowa County, and my mom was a teacher until my oldest sister was born. And then by the time I was born she was raising the kids.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=104.44,116.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And so, what brought you from eastern Oregon?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=116.84,119.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: My dad took a job with Oregon State.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=120.02,122.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=122.18,122.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Where— I would just say since it's my interview, I can just say what I want. I'm very proud of him. He is living on his own at the present time at 102 years old, having participated in life in Corvallis at the university for like eighty years. So, I guess that's significant, and that's where I get my love of community and understanding how to network, how to care about people, how to bring people together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=122.47,156.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And what was his job at OSU?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=156.46,157.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: He came in as a fish and wildlife specialist. That's another part of my early upbringing, is a lot of fishing. A lot of outdoors, a lot of camping.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=159.42,169.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was it like to grow up in Corvallis in the '60s, early '60s?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=170.5,174.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Well, it's pretty interesting actually that you asked that. Because at the time, Corvallis was a pretty conservative little town, because the majors at OSU of, course, are forestry and fisheries, and engineering. When I was growing up, and then starting with my coming out process at the end of high school, it was really not a comfortable place for me to do that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=174.86,211.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was also very well known in school because of athletics and leadership. And so, I think Corvallis was a pretty significant part of the difficulty I had in coming out. One of the things you might have noticed from the chronology is that, my process of coming out was a full ten years. And, I think that was because I was so expected to be the “girl next door,” and just meet a nice guy and have the kids and do all that. It was pretty tough. I'm just going to mention a lot of things since, again, that's what we're doing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=212.01,253.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was, got a large class at Corvallis High with 540 students. I was selected— elected, I guess, as the Most Likely to Succeed. And, on the one hand that was a great honor and I was happy at the time, but it definitely made the coming out process a lot harder.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=254.28,275.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Why is that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=276.22,277.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Because of the expectations. And so, you ask about growing up at that time, the expectations were so clearly about marriage and kids.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=277.46,289.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I think a little bit different in a college town because we were expected to have a career, to get a degree and have a career.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=289.58,295.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I sometimes joke because as a five-year-old, we would run around in little groups around campus, on the OSU campus and say, \"Well, what are you going to major in?\" Not that any of us knew what a major was, but we knew we were going to have one. And so, it was— so, we were expected to get educated and have a career, but still obviously it's sexual orientation. Clearly we were going to be straight.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=296.63,326.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What did you know about same sex attraction or lesbians in middle school or high school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=326.25,331.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Absolutely nothing. Really nothing. I would say that's what's just so incredibly different now, and has been for quite some time. I really didn't understand anything for— even really through college. I went up to Lewis and Clark College for my first two years, and I think that might be where I started to put two and two together that the good friends that I had been having were probably maybe more than just good friends, and that even though I was dating a lot of men and stuff, there was something different.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=331.94,376.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One of the things I've been thinking about in preparation for this is the coming out process. Because as we talk about my time in Eugene as a lesbian therapist, one of the things that I worked a lot with in terms of the issues was coming out. Partly because, you know, I started my practice in my thirties, so I was mostly seeing twenty and thirty year olds.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=379.02,401.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Identity development was number one: “Who am I?” And then the coming out, and then relationships. I know I'm getting a little bit ahead, but just that that coming out piece is just so complex. It's so complex. And I think one of the things that made it complex for me is that I’ve always had the ability to pass. And that's a concept that unless you're gay or lesbian, you don't even get that, what that difference is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=403.87,440.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I just— I was able to play the role. It's so much different, of course, in some women who have always known, really couldn't pretend they were straight, and just had to grapple with that in a whole other way, which is equally as complex and difficult. But for me, I just kept acting straight and just thinking, this is a nice guy, and I can go to this dance or I can go to this game, or whatever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=441.75,470.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I guess, interesting for me, you asked about the confidentiality with clients, and I would never tell stories of clients here. But, it's also interesting to think that former clients of mine might be listening. Because the sexuality piece was very confusing for me, because I was dating men and I dated a lot of really nice men, and had good sexual experiences with men, hence the protracted coming out. But also, I think, in that process it gave me a lot of empathy and understanding for the women that I was going to be working with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=472.12,513.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you have negative feelings about lesbianism that kept you from coming out when you realized that your feelings for your women friends were a little bit more? What was the feeling about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=513.02,525.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Well, this is probably pretty classic. I'm sure you've heard that back in the day the book, The Well of Loneliness was one of the few that came— it didn't come up, we didn't search, we didn't Google. And so, that's one that I don't even know how I came across it, but I wish it wasn't there, I wish I hadn't had that experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=525.7,553.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you say something about reading that book?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=553.57,556.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Can I say something about it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=556.81,557.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=557.59,558.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Well, it's just— obviously, it's just so incredibly depressing. Just incredibly depressing, and I think— it's kind of interesting. I know I'm jumping back and forth to being a therapist because all those early experiences informed that work so much. That one of the things that I ended up studying and writing about, and actually I'm still really involved with right now, is the whole concept of loneliness. And because I think we have a ton of social isolation and loneliness right now among our age cohort, among everybody really, but our age cohort specifically. So, it's my passion now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=558.06,601.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you think there's a— do you have a specifically queer angle on that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=601.99,606.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: The angle I think I have on it is having been part of such a strong community, and really understanding what that feels like to live with your tribe, and in really a tribal experience. Like is that— I was thinking about what is it about this time, in the Eugene lesbian community. And I thought of examples to share. And part of it is just that everybody was involved. And I'll talk about Measure 9 in this interview I'm sure, because that was such a focal point for the development of community, and also for me as a therapist.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=606.83,649.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And everybody in the tribe was participating, everybody was involved and affected. And people were talking about it, and there was a real central focus. And now, it's just so hard. You just don't replicate that. You just pretty much never will. And I think that's one of the things that this project, I don't know what it's brought up for other people, but one of my challenges in being here was working through a wave of sadness that I hadn't revisited for a long time. And just the missing of that incredible community experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=651.15,698.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And one of the things I think is beautiful about that for me is that, I now have that. As I've moved then to Corvallis and now up to the farm, two sides of the knife is, I know what I had and I also know what I don't have. One of my current challenges is, how do you create a community in the country, and especially in this political climate. Now I've done the whole realm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=699.67,732.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: That's great though. Let's back up to when you first came out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=732.55,736.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Maybe what that was like, and when you came to Eugene and why.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=736.48,740.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: I think coming out and coming to Eugene were pretty synonymous for me time-wise, because I had been down in California. My first career was in sports medicine, and I'd been doing that for ten years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=743.22,755.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I was at Chico State on the faculty there. And again, that's a pretty conservative time. I think now, it's hard for us to appreciate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=756.12,767.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What year were you at Chico?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=767.72,768.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Seventy-six through '80. Were you there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=768.8,775.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Thinking about that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=775.09,777.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Yes. And I was in a physical education unit and teaching health and sports medicine, athletic training. And so, in athletics, which is kind of my home base there, very macho, very sexist, very homophobic. Nothing good personally was going to happen there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=777.56,799.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then actually what brought me to Eugene actually is that my first nephew was born. And I'm very family-oriented, and I wanted to be with him. I wanted to see him grow up. And he's here in Eugene and still is. That's actually, I guess when I think about it, what started that move. 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And I'm sure you've heard this from other— It was awesome, and you were here, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=828.16,835.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So you came in 1980?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=835.34,836.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Yeah, 1980.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=836.88,837.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: I wasn't here yet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=838.14,838.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=839.0,839.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: But, did you know that Eugene was a place where lesbians were gathering?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=839.07,845.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: No. I was still pretty closeted to myself. No, not to myself, but I was closeted to others. By then, because I'm probably about late twenties or whatever, the pattern of falling in love with your pals, with your friends is starting to look a little suspicious, a little consistent. So, I was out to myself. I was no longer messing up the minds of men. 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That was just was going to happen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=887.03,904.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Had you been engaged to any men?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=905.41,908.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: No. No, I wasn't quite that— I was going to say foolish, but I don't mean that in a way against other people who certainly it would have been very easy to take that trail, let me just say that. I have a lot of empathy for that, but for me it would have been unfortunate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=908.61,934.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I didn't mean to say that judgmental word.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=935.57,936.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What did Eugene seem like to you when you came?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=936.97,943.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Well, I started taking classes— I started in a master's program in counseling and also a strong emphasis in health, because that was my background at that point, and psychology. I actually did an interdisciplinary degree, which I loved in those three things. And then came upon the women's studies certificate. And I'm sure you've heard from a lot of people the incredible power of that experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=943.41,975.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I think my instructor, I couldn't find a record, but it was Judith also another Judith Barker. I don't know if her names come up, but if I ever got to see her again, I would thank her profusely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=976.34,990.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What classes did you take from her?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=990.73,992.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Well, it was a twenty-four unit certificate. So, whatever that is, six or eight classes, whatever I took. I took that along with this very, very exciting master's degree where I got to study whatever was of interest to me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=992.52,1009.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then I also met a couple of really powerful women during that time also who I didn't know were lesbian at the time, but when I was hired on the staff here at the U of O I found out later, and that might be a coming out that I won't mention, because that's fifteen years older than I am, and they may still not want to be out. But, there are some incredible women, I'm sure Dr. Pope, is it Barbara Pope?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1010.31,1039.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Barbara Pope.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1039.3,1039.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Yes. I'm sure she would not mind. There were just some very powerful and important women at that time. And then, when you start to learn about feminism and sexism and stuff, it just opens up a whole other door. By the time I graduated in 1985 with master's degree and the women's studies certificate, then I was totally out on every level.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1039.86,1064.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Where were you living?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1065.6,1066.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: You mean where here in town?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1066.35,1068.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1069.01,1069.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Well, I didn't go back. I was in a little house on the edge of campus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1069.13,1080.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then later in other apartments, because I was also working still at the Center for Sports Medicine, and at South Eugene High School at the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1082.09,1091.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What were you doing at South?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1091.52,1093.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Athletic training. Yeah, I loved it. Great school, great time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1093.85,1099.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So, you joined the staff at the Counseling Center here—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1102.89,1105.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1105.5,1106.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: —when you graduated?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1106.02,1106.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Well, not immediately. But, I went into private practice. Well, actually, since we're telling the whole story— I forgot my master's degree. I was accepted into a doctoral program at the University of California, Santa Barbara in counseling psychology. And I went there for a year, and that also just totally changed my life, and changed my identity, and really solidified my identity as a therapist, because of the fact that my degree was interdisciplinary, and I was working still in sports medicine, I probably didn't have the confidence yet to see myself as being able to help people in a therapeutic way. But after a year of doctoral work at a very fine program, I was ready to do that. If I were a different person I would have stayed and finished that degree. And that might have worked out really well. But, I'm not a different person, and I was in love with somebody in Eugene.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1106.91,1171.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I came back, and I have to just say, because I've done a lot of career counseling in my practice as well. One of the things I do actually love about career counseling is that there's so many layers to it. And one of the layers is what we tell ourselves about why we chose a certain career path. And the other is what was really happening at the time. And I loved, as a counselor, getting to what was really happening.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1173.55,1203.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I chose love, and came back and started my practice. That's kind of where we were going there. And by then I felt comfortable, I felt ready. It was a great time in therapy, and this is a good time to, kind of, weave in all the mental health pieces.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1207.25,1224.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because straight therapists really didn't know how to work with gay and lesbian clients. They really didn't. And one of my passions, I guess, or hurts, or things I have compassion for so many lesbian women and gay men, is that therapy hurt them a lot. And I hate that. And I hate that about my field, because one of the powers of therapy as you know, is the vulnerability and the trust.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1229.19,1260.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And when people are in such a vulnerable state as they are, when they're coming out, to have somebody powerful in their life like that be condemning and negative— I mean there's levels of that. I mean, one is just that blank face where they just won't go with anything affirming. And so, you're just still left all alone, or just downright negative.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1260.06,1287.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And at the time, aversion therapy was still happening, and it was happening here in Eugene with well-known and well-respected therapists. One of the things that I had the courage to do was to identify as a lesbian therapist. And that in itself was a huge act of affirmation for the community. As I look at maybe ways that I contributed or made a difference in how people looked at themselves, and their sisters was to go ahead.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1287.88,1331.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I remember the day I had it printed on my business card, because nobody did that. I had never seen it. And I kind of laugh at myself now a little bit, because I've put, counselor, sexual orientation, gender identity. And nobody, including me, for the most part, knew really what gender identity was or how to work with it. I just wanted to differentiate that it was two different things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1331.57,1357.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I just say that, I don't think I hurt people through not being an expert at it. But I had a lot to learn, and we all did back in the day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1363.8,1373.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But, it was very empowering to me and to others. And, I will mention a few names because one of the really powerful things for me in this community was incredible therapeutic community that was here. Because, of course, of the doctoral program in counseling psych from here, from the U of O, and good master's programs and good faculty, and just the general ambiance of the community was pretty therapy-friendly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1373.78,1402.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At that time, it was sort of, like, “What's your name and who's your therapist?” was how the dialogue went. Because pretty much lesbians just by and large had therapists. It was a very common and important experience. The women that I got to work with are really unrivaled in my professional experience and so I'll mention some of them. Because, we had staffing groups. That's one of the things you do professionally. I was in a staffing group with Stephanie Whitman and Erika Waechter and Toni Tortorilla, and Brooke Schaffer, and Pat Heron. And then some others came and went.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1403.11,1442.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But, for twenty years, a core of us met every week and talked about, of course, how to be therapists, but also about the women that we loved in our practices, that we were nurturing and each other. And empowered ourselves to be, not only better therapists, but better leaders, better activists.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1442.89,1468.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One of the things that I loved about being a therapist at that time was that we really acted as, I think, ministers in the community, spiritual leaders. My other career, if I hadn't done what I did, I would love to have been a pastor in a church.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1468.88,1491.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We got to relate with women at that level. And, the reason I say that is because none of us were welcome in churches. When women want to— when they were grieving, or they wanted a commitment ceremony, or they want their puppy baptized, or you know, all of those things, therapists got involved in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1494.22,1521.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I performed a number of weddings, commitment ceremonies. I did funeral services often up the McKenzie with special places to go and just be with a group of women. And there needed to be a spokesperson for the spiritual, emotional side of what was going on. And people didn't have a pastor to turn to. 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Whereas we were in the Eugene Celebration and the MLK marches. And certainly I was doing a lot of public speaking at the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1623.3,1644.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so, that was different. That was an interesting line because that's not— you have, as you know, dual relationships are what you're supposed to avoid in a therapeutic relationship. But it felt so much more compelling and important to be a role model, to be a leader, to be out there than it did to just be one person in a quiet private office.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1644.81,1675.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And where else would you go as a lesbian then through lesbian community as a small as far as institutions?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1675.31,1683.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1683.12,1683.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Would you be on a softball team or—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1685.15,1687.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Yeah. And, of course, the Ducks, we all went to the women's basketball games. I didn't—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1687.97,1697.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Was that difficult?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1697.71,1700.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Well, yes. Yes, I'll tell you a story, because you said you like stories.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1700.48,1705.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, fantastic kd lang concert.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1706.15,1709.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Was it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1710.0,1712.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Yeah. I went with Stephanie Whitman, and our partners. And so, of course, we've just come through a week of hearing all the different relationship dynamics, and really weeks before that and everything, but very fresh. And we were on the first row of the first balcony. We had this view of all the women, and we were just like, \"Oh, she's not supposed to be with her.\" She just told me that she was never going to see her again.\" And Stephanie was having the same exact response like, \"Oh, my.\" And also just with dress and with behavior, and with drinking and all these things that you're hearing in session, and then you're just watching it out in front of you. The concert was so good that we stayed. But, at the break, Stephanie was just saying, \"I don't know, maybe we should get out of here.\" This is kind of tough. And then—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1712.3,1775.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Were you worried about the women seeing you, and then feeling self-conscious, or were you worried about getting information that you had not been given?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1775.46,1785.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Both, really. I mean, one of the things is, it's just universally tough to be the partner of a therapist. Because people know you and you can never say how you know them or whatever. Certainly there was some awkwardness with that, but it's more the latter. It's more, \"Ooh, I wasn't supposed to know that, and I wish I didn't.\" We had rules that probably straight therapists don't worry so much about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1785.19,1815.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Like, we tried not to see more than one person in a thread.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1815.54,1822.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What do you mean?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1823.01,1823.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: As you know, lesbians are infamous for creating family with their ex-partners. If there was a couple of ex-partners, and then this person, then like I would try not to see the new partner of the ex. I would try not to get involved with more than one woman in that, what I call thread sequential.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1825.52,1851.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Because why?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1851.76,1853.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Because, you'd hear too many conflicting things. And one of the things about being good therapists is, you have to meet your client where they are, and you have to believe them, and you have to work with their story, because that's the one that matters.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1853.95,1874.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If you also have known, for instance, that somebody has been having an affair that had an affair while they were with them and they never knew it, it's just as well to leave that lie because that's not a part of their story, or their experience. I would just as soon not to know that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1878.02,1899.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Complicated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1899.31,1899.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Yeah. So, then we'd try to accept clients from different social groups.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1900.79,1906.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What did you learn from your clients during this period? We're talking about '85 to '90? Is that—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1907.78,1913.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1913.24,1916.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What did you learn about being a lesbian from them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1916.99,1920.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Well, that's a great question. I just had so much— I guess the thing I would say is incredible strength, incredible resilience. Just, I get a little teary just thinking about what women went through, and their ability to come back, and try it again, especially in areas, for instance, of love where people were so hurt in relationships, often because of internalized homophobia or homophobia in their families.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1924.26,1971.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I guess I'll diverge into some of the really hard parts. One of the couple of the really big problems in the lesbian community, one, of course, was alcoholism for pretty apparent reasons. And the other was suicide. And so, I guess, the question is what I learned about lesbians and even maybe more about the human spirit. It’s the human spirit, and also I have a tremendous pride and admiration for women.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=1976.03,2019.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I think what is the center of my existence, and what I want to contribute, and what I believe is just the incredible strength of women, and what women went through every day and still wanted to be better, still wanted to heal, still would keep trying to be the best they could be and love other people the best they could love.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2019.34,2047.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, it's extremely humbling to be that intimate with people on a daily basis. That was life changing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2048.12,2062.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you say more about these difficult areas of about alcoholism and suicide?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2063.29,2067.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Yeah. Alcohol, I hate that statistic, so I hate talking about it. And really just before my time especially, the only places where women that were at bars so much, you mentioned the Riv Room and— it wasn't as much like that in the early '90s. There were a lot more activities to bind women together. And that's why I mentioned the U of O sports.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2067.52,2105.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There are places that people could see each other and identify. I didn't play softball, but I went to a lot of softball. Softball was big.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2105.68,2115.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Partly I didn't go because of my clients. Well, and that I'm not very good player. I'm quite a good basketball player, but not so much softball. And so, in a way the culture inherited that use of alcohol as just what women did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2115.25,2138.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's one facet, is the cultural facet. But the other is the pain. And, I really, really understood that. I would just say that the two women that I have the most admiration for in the world are people in recovery. See, I knew I would get a little teary because I just have so much compassion and pride in the women.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2140.11,2177.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I just think to be in recovery and to make that change in life is just hugely hard. And, I think so a lot of the women that drank as a way to anesthetize the pain or some of the most sensitive, beautiful, intelligent women. 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That was one of the hardest places to work at that time, because of, in some cases, the Christian perspective, a higher power perspective on that did not include gay and lesbian people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2229.9,2257.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One of the things— that's the downside of it. One of the things that was so exciting during the whole '90s is, all of the programming that started coming in. And the AA meetings simply for gay and lesbian, and then lesbian because realizing that those are different issues, and we don't necessarily want to do that with men.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2261.42,2282.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Eventually I would say in the time I was here, I was able to get to a point where I can refer easily and with trust to a lot of the other services. But at the time it was, you know, the early '90s it was pretty slim pickings on where a woman could go, and really get respectful help.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2284.54,2305.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: I want to go back a little bit to that '85 to '90 period. We've heard a lot about such a vibrant community, and we've also heard about a lot of ideological judgment within community and conflict. I wondered about your perspective on both of those; on the vibrancy of the community, and then difficult social challenges.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2305.34,2333.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Well, I will say that I know what you're talking about. I mean, I have an idea of what you're— and I love to position I was in, because I just had the support, I didn't really have to take a side.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2334.14,2354.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And in fact, it was important that I not. I tried to use my professional skills sometimes in ways that got pretty sticky. Like with facilitating changes with Mother Kali's, very involved with Mother Kali's and the bookstore, and the management. That was a political hotbed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2354.63,2377.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you say something about that so that people know what—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2377.84,2380.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: What the store was?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2380.6,2381.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: —kinds of things would happen. Yeah, what were some of the issues?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2381.57,2385.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Well, one of them, of course, would be the age-old how to create change most effectively. And, you have the dykes on bikes, and then you have the people that are going to quietly do the research, and do the writing. And, you're only hurting us by being that out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2385.09,2409.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"People that really needed to be on the same page because we all really need to be on the same page, especially around measures 9 and 13. And, there would be in-fighting, and part of it like we're saying about theoretical, certainly different opinions in the whole gamut of feminism. And, obviously, from the separatists to women that were still in marriages with men. And then, of course, just the age-old challenge of trying to get along with other people. And, I think we wanted very much to see ourselves as elevated beings.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2416.21,2463.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And on one level, like I spoke previously, we were but on another, we were just people trying to figure out how to run an organization.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2464.8,2472.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, in a lot of cases, it was a work of passion, not a professional preparation. You had people trying to start businesses or run things that really didn't have the skills to do it. And thank goodness that they went ahead and tried, and people did the best they could and made huge inroads. But, it certainly got messy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2472.85,2500.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But, like I said, I was able to— I'd like to say, rise above the fray.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2500.41,2506.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that's how I saw my job, was to support the individuals in whatever perspective they had. I would probably admit to in sessions trying to soften perspectives a little bit to try to maybe, can we see how that might be from the other side? You have to be careful about that, of course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2509.21,2533.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: In the course of your career, can you estimate how many lesbians you saw?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2533.59,2540.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Oh gosh, hundreds.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2540.54,2542.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Hundreds?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2542.27,2542.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Yeah. Because I had a full practice pretty much from the beginning, and it was pretty much thirty years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2542.84,2549.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And of that group, how many did you help with the alcohol problem or suicide?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2550.87,2558.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Well, there are estimates like twenty percent of lesbians overused alcohol. I didn't track it in that way exactly, but it was definitely— there was a prevalence for sure. The suicide rate was— definitely still is very— especially for young gay and lesbian folks still with the Internet and everything, still is very high. And is very out of proportion at that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2558.32,2592.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I might segue to a couple of things I want to be sure and work in, because it's in that time period of '85 to '90. And it also has to do with the suicide topic. I started my practice in '86 and so, I was involved with everything, all the resources, one of which, of course, was the U of O.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2595.76,2621.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I got to know a number of people at the Counseling Center, at the U of O, and in Student Affairs and one thing or another. And they did a very creative thing that I'm very proud of the U of O for. In those years about '88, yeah, '87, '88, they did an all-campus survey to see— a needs assessment. And, one of the things that they came up with was that specifically there was no mental health services for lesbian women.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2621.98,2653.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We had a full time gay male psychologist on the staff of the counseling center. There were other resources for gay men, but nothing for lesbians. The U of O fully funded a position at the Counseling Center specifically as a lesbian counselor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2654.49,2673.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was very exciting time. So, that was 1989, and Kathy Sullivan and myself were both hired for that position. We both had full time private practices that we didn't want to end, so we shared the position. And, it was an incredibly— probably my favorite time because we just had this green light to just reach out to all the lesbians on campus, find out what they need, which we already pretty much knew, and create things for them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2674.56,2708.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We did, of course, a lot of individual sessions, but then we did couples workshops, and coming out groups, and just whatever was the issue, support for recovery, whatever we felt that our clients needed, we had the green light to create.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2708.95,2726.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One of the things that Kathy and I did that was so popular and so fun to do was called the Lesbian Life Series. Every month— so, we had ten of them, I guess. We would have a major program on a particular issue. And my very favorite one, and one of the things I want to be sure I mention is PFLAG, because PFLAG was huge in our work, was we did one on fathers and daughters, and it was the best attended and most impactful. It was just not a dry eye. It was incredible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2728.06,2768.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We had to move it out of the room we originally scheduled it for because so many people came out of the woodwork. And we had four PFLAG dads up there, and they talked about—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2769.39,2781.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What does PFLAG stand for?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2781.88,2783.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: PFLAG is Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays. And they talked about their lesbian daughters, and what that had been like, and their process toward acceptance. And, by the end, a question I guess that we prompted, “How do you feel about her now?” To a man, every man just started crying, and saying, \"I am so proud of my daughter.\" And everybody was just— everybody's just crying.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2783.2,2813.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, afterwards, all the hugs and everything. Because it was just this unmet need where in that coming out process, people, lesbian women were losing their dads, especially as— I don't know if you know, but moms universally accept their gay kids so much more easily than fathers do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2814.38,2834.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, so many of these women had never come out to their father, or they had, and they had never— basically just gotten a blank wall. So, to hear these strong, loving men up there saying, \"I'm so proud of her.\" It was— so, we got to do that like every month. Just a very cool program. We did money and commitment and legal agreements, and how to get along in your department, and all that kind of stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2835.43,2865.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was great for the U of O. I did that for a number of years and then I got more involved in other student affairs kind of thing. One of which I'll mention, which is that we worked a lot with the Greek system, and it was more generalized diversity training. But, I was out for everything that I did all the time. I'll just say a couple of things that I'm proud of in terms of awards and recognitions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2867.01,2898.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One of them is the Human Rights Award with the City of Eugene. I got that one year, which was very cool, and I'm very proud of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2899.77,2906.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But even prouder, I got what's called the Omega Award, which is for a non-Greek who has been most influential in the Greek community. All the sororities and fraternities got together, and selected me for that award. I have— it's called the Order of Omega.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2907.69,2932.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And what was the work you did in the sororities and fraternities?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2933.83,2935.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Just a lot of it— well, at that time we called it anti homophobia work. Kind of morphed into diversity trainings. And one thing that I loved about the work that we did here that I wanted to really mention is the incredible support from all different parts of the Eugene community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2935.9,2963.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I would be on, I think hundreds of panels that I was on over the years, and I'd be the gay person. And then Sally Sheklow would be the Jewish person. And, I laugh, and I think Sally would appreciate— she could have represented a lot of things. And then—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2964.01,2983.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And you would talk about your own life?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2983.48,2986.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Yeah. And then somebody else would represent— we'd have various people of color with their communities. It was always a team, and I worked a ton with PFLAG. I definitely would never have been able to be as effective as I was without PFLAG.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=2986.05,3004.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And when I did outside consulting, which I did a lot of diversity trainings, like with big companies. And I had a contract with Weyerhaeuser. We went out to all these little tiny towns. And I'll tell you a story if you want, when it’s story time about things that I particularly remember, but I would never go without PFLAG, because there's just nothing as powerful as a parent or a sibling.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=3004.98,3035.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they were just amazing with— because it just calms everybody down. It's just like, \"Oh, okay, here's these regular people. We've got a gay over there, that must be the gay, but we've got regular people.\" Anyway, that's one of the things I loved about working in the Greek community. Working everywhere I worked was this team of people would come in, and I would often represent the lesbian point of view.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=3036.73,3062.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the trick of that work, the scale of it, is really is gaining rapport with the audience, and then just suddenly, \"Oh, I see.\" And that, I think, was one of the advantages that I had, and like in passing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=3062.94,3077.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I wasn't a Greek, but I had great, great respect for the leadership of the Greek. Pan-Hellenic, I believe, is the leadership council of the sororities? And, wonderful, strong, intelligent, caring women. All you need is an all-woman group to really develop your leadership. Anyway, I just tell you about that, because that was a fun piece that we also did during that time, and it brought in a lot of other people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=3077.72,3114.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And why was Weyerhaeuser interested in sending you to these smaller places?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=3114.02,3117.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Well, they were getting lawsuits. And, as we got more into Measures 9 and 13 in the early '90s there, people were not okay with the sexist, homophobic firings. It wasn't just attitude at that point, they were doing blatantly illegal and unethical things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=3118.22,3152.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The HR departments usually said, \"Well, what the heck. We'll do a training if he wants to do a training.\" We'd then go to like Drain or up the McKenzie to these little tiny towns. And oh, it was a challenge.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=3154.25,3173.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One of the things, I was going to tell you a funny story. Because one of the things I thought we might talk about is specific incidences that I remember from over the years. And one of them was up in like, is it Blue River up there or something? Anyway, that one I think was the Forest Service, actually.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=3174.69,3197.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, we went through the whole thing and I did my thing as a lesbian, and PFLAG was doing their thing and everything. And this one guy, he just stands up and he says, \"Well, all this is well and good, but there are no lesbians in this room.\" And they kind of looked at me and I said, \"Well sir, excuse me…” “You're not a lesbian.\" And well, okay, I've never in my lesbian credentials challenged!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=3198.75,3223.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fortunately, I was pretty cool by that point of how to work with it. I was like, \"Well, what exactly do you mean?\" He said, \"Well, you know—\" Because in those days we sort of dressed up professionally. Women wore skirts, and I probably had a skirt on or something. And he said, \"Well, lesbians only wear pants. And your hair is way too long for a lesbian.\" And then he kind of like gets me with, \"And you're way too good looking.\" It's like, \"Oh, I see. So, lesbians have to do this and this and this?\" He said, \"Yeah. There's no lesbians in this room.\" If I see the good news about that is that everybody around him then it's like rolling their eyes like, \"Oh my God, can you believe Joe?\" Then, peer pressure. So, then people talk to him like that, that wasn't very nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=3227.57,3278.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's pretty stupid.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=3278.96,3279.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You don't know how you make inroads, or how you communicate your message, but having my lesbian credentials challenged was like, \"What exactly do you want me to tell you?\" Anyway, that was just one piece of consulting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=3279.85,3297.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, among the other things I was doing, I also had a small private consulting company where I did just diversity trainings, and did them around the state, and actually around the region on that one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=3297.93,3313.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And there's very active Portland, you know, community as you know. And I don't know if this is the right time to say it, but I brought a lot of materials and stuff for you all, pamphlets and stuff that show all the different activities that were happening here and in Portland and other places.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=3313.24,3329.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: When you did your diversity training, what kind of information would you be giving people?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=3329.76,3334.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Well, I loved my angle, which was psychological, because that's an angle that people can identify with. And, you can't argue with things like sadness and grief and disappointment and anger, and things that all humans experience. I did a lot of developmental theory, and talking about identity development. Helping people to understand each other, helping then, talking from a parent's point of view of what they might have expected in having a child, and how when their child out as gay and lesbian, the loss that they were going through.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=3334.76,3387.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In a certain way it was sort of public counseling sessions. It was very psycho-educational. And I'm happy that that was my part because other people then would often be on these programs to talk about the legal part, or to talk about policy where people can argue a lot more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=3388.83,3407.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Nobody can argue that a parent had certain expectations for their child that might not be met at that moment of coming out. And people have a grief process, and it's going to take time, and those sorts of things. So, I did a lot of the psycho-emotional part of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=3407.24,3428.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So, this is kind of— it's kind of activist work. And, I'm wondering when we get to Measure 9, and 13 and even the measures before that, that you brought a myriad of skills to that experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=3428.82,3443.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Yes. I was very, we all were, is my feeling about it. We were all very involved in 9. I think, I'm sure you've heard this before in your interviews. The Oregon Citizens Alliance did the biggest favor they can possibly have done to gay rights. You know what I mean?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=3444.11,3466.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We owe part of where we are today to The Oregon Citizens Alliance. Because they just galvanized things incredibly. And they were so farfetched. If they'd put a reasonable ban kind of thing and the measure or something like that, it would've been pretty hard to fight.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=3466.29,3487.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you remember what Measure 9 was asking?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=3488.07,3491.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Yeah. It was basically asking to enshrine in the Oregon constitution that homosexuality, I think, their words were “perverse, abnormal, unnatural.” It certainly— and then it said, “Do we want pedophiles, bestiality in Oregon?” That was their angle. And it was so far to the far end of human consciousness that people that didn't even know they knew somebody gay— it was just like, \"Well, that is wrong. That can't be right.\" It provided this incredible galvanizing force, because people at that point, I think a lot of people, I would say most lesbians that I knew at that point probably didn't feel that we deserve equal rights in terms of like the right to marriage was very controversial. That was one of the controversies, certainly was, \"Well, we don't want that patriarchal institution.\" And, maybe we're fairly satisfied with just not being harassed or tormented. They didn't necessarily think they needed or deserved— I mean, there's a lot of internalized homophobia. And that's the other thing I guess I would say is a major issue that we worked with in therapy, is that self-hatred, or that not feeling worthy. Feeling second class internally.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=3491.2,3583.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They probably would have remained silent. But, when you're being called all of that, they knew they weren't that. People got involved in ways that they didn't expect themselves to, and people probably wouldn't have expected. And, that's one of the really powerful things about that time from my memory and my perspective, is that in their own little way, it seemed to me that every lesbian I knew was doing something. Like the students, the graduate students were writing papers on the gay, the lesbian experience of people. I remember at a FedEx, you know, they were talking to their supervisors, you know, people at EWEB, they were requesting a diversity training. Everybody was doing something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=3587.14,3640.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It reminded me a little bit, I'm listening to a book on tape right now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=3641.39,3645.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It is set in the World War II era. It reminded me a little bit of the war effort where, if you couldn't be in the front line, you grew vegetables, or you welded metal, or you did whatever you could do. And it just seemed like every woman did what she could do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=3645.67,3663.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think that's probably partly why I was so publicly out, was because I felt like I could do that, because my family was very accepting. I had just, like I said, the passing thing, socioeconomics, I had education. So, I was more invulnerable. That was a role I could play. But, everybody was playing the role that they could play in the place where they were planted.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=3664.18,3690.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What kind of things did your clients bring to you in sessions during that time? What was Measure 9 triggering for them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=3690.73,3701.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: It was huge. It was a tough time in therapy, because the assault on self-esteem was— it was so damaging. It's interesting in thinking about this whole time in this experience because there's so much that is energizing about it, that I tend to remember that. And, equal to that was the darkness. Because people were being hurt really badly, and they were hurting each other in relationships because of their personal pain.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=3701.89,3754.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"For instance, I would work with somebody, like all year and all fall, and they'd be in a pretty good place about themselves, accepting their sexual orientation. At a pretty good place with their partner.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=3755.83,3770.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then they would go home for Christmas for two weeks or whatever. And then they would come back and that first session back in January where they say, \"You know, this is all wrong. I'm not gay. I'm absolutely not gay. And this person that I have been living with and loving so well for the last three years, I don't love her. I don't want her. I'm out of here.\" And, it was just so incredibly painful the assault on the humanity, and on the self-esteem. And, we all went through it, but to wake up every morning in a newspaper and have half of the letters to the editor saying how awful you were, and how unworthy, and you shouldn't be here, and you shouldn't be alive. And our lives are not real anyway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=3772.12,3824.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And you try to not let that enter your consciousness, but you know, a twenty-seven-year-old woman just trying to get a degree doesn't have the consciousness yet to filter that. I mean, heaven knows we're all still struggling with it, trying to filter things now in our environment. And, you're defenseless against that. It goes in at some level. And then as relationships often do, it goes right back at your closest person.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=3824.95,3859.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then that is an assault on her worth, and self-esteem. And pretty soon these two lovely women are just tearing each other apart, and tearing each other down. And, I had people come back and, go back to men. Here you are owning a home with love of your life. And, now she's going to decide that, well, she's not gay, and so she's going to go date this guy over here and sleep with him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=3860.25,3885.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it was just damaging. It was just sad, and hard, and damaging.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=3886.03,3890.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was, I guess, what I would say, it was meaningful and significant to be a lesbian therapist at that time, but it was hard. It was hard for all of us to come back to our support group and say, \"How do I keep myself healthy hearing this hour after hour?\" One of the things I did, one of the things that happened in my life that was influential, and then that I did in response. Because one of the things that we all learned, you know, in women studies was, the personal is political. If it happens to you, it's happening to other people, turn it around and do something about it. Don't just be a victim about it. Sort of the, “Get out there and march.” A very close friend of mine in 1989, she had graduated from Brigham Young on an athletic scholarship, and that's why she went there. But, if you could imagine Brigham Young in the late '80s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=3890.36,3965.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, she tried to come out, and it was just horrendous. She ended up committing suicide on New Year's Eve of that year. It was devastating to me, we were very close friends.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=3967.28,3982.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I said, \"Okay,\" you know, \"What is this? What can we do here?\" And so, I created a program called Surviving the Holidays that then I proceeded to offer really for the next twenty-five years. Like, I offered it every December, multiple times at first, and then different places in the state just talking about the damage to our self-esteem, and what happens when we try to fit in, and try to not be ourselves and, and how to survive that. And, I had twenty rules for surviving the holidays.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=3984.11,4020.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It turned out to be a positive thing. You know, women would come. In that era, I think just an awful lot of women came through Surviving the Holidays. And we had, for instance, the forty-eight- hour rule, which is that you couldn't be more than forty-eight hours without what we called a lesbian snack.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4022.41,4041.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because remember, this is all before cell phones or anything like that. And, plane travel wasn't the way it is now. People would say, \"Well, I'm going home for Christmas. And so, I'm paying all this money for my airfare, so I should stay for three weeks.\" It's like, \"Oh God, this is not good.\" I'd help people practice, for forty-eight hours, you can be with your family, and then you got to get out of there. Because I'd listened really carefully about these patterns. And, most of us do okay for a while, but we cannot sustain that. We had rules like that for Surviving the Holidays.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4043.78,4080.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And what would a lesbian snack be?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4080.83,4082.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: That could be a book that you took? A lesbian novel, or some of your music. Or it could be if you knew a place, like if you were going home to Milwaukee, Wisconsin or something. You knew a place down the street, or you had a friend that you were pretty sure was gay. Go have coffee with her, so you'd have something to ground yourself. Or, a phone call. That was harder back then because you had to be in your parents' kitchen or something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4082.93,4113.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But, go to the phone booth, call your girlfriend. You asked about the dark side and that certainly was a dark aside. I have another dark side story. Are we doing okay on time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4114.01,4128.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Mm-hmm [affirmative].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4128.3,4128.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: We're doing okay?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4128.46,4128.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Mm-hmm [affirmative].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4128.62,4128.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Okay. When I was at the counseling center, this just kind of shows you about the measures, you asked about that, what was the impact? Because it was just a tough— it was a tough time. The word went out that they had hired a lesbian therapist at the counseling center.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4128.78,4158.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One of my most impactful experiences when I knew this was so critical. It was so critical that we were doing this work. I saw a new client come in and sit down. And, again, I said, \"So, are you lesbian? Are you gay?\" We used gay a lot then. \"Yes.\" And then I could see that she wasn't going to be forthcoming. I talked a little bit about it, and a little bit about myself and about counseling. And, \"I'm glad you're here, what kinds of things do you want to talk about?\" And she said, \"Well, I just needed to know that you're gay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4161.96,4205.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They said there was a gay person here, but if you hadn't been here today, I was going to go home and kill myself tonight.\" I just went into, of course, \"Well I'm here, and I'm here for you. And I will be here for you, and we'll make it through this. And I know how hard it is.\" And then, of course, I moved to ideation and plan and stuff like that. And, \"Did you have an idea how serious this is?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4206.66,4243.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do you have an idea about what you would do?\" And she reached in her backpack and pulled out a pistol. This is right up here in the Counseling Center.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4243.1,4251.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I said, \"Okay, you had a plan. You were serious about this.\" And she said, \"Yeah, there's nobody that loves me. There's nobody that likes me. Everybody hates me, everybody hates us.\" And then she went into a lot of anger. It took sessions and sessions to get to the pain, but she was just angry at everybody. Just, you know, screw this. And, I'm ending it, there's no point. There's absolutely no point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4252.17,4281.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And eventually— I mean, I couldn't get the gun from her at that time because we've just met. But, eventually I ended up— and the Counseling Center was wonderful. They let me do what was important to do with women. For lesbian women, it isn't always just to sit in an institutional place, and talk to somebody.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4282.83,4303.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Her most important being in her life was her dog. So, we went out and played with the dog, and played fetch and that's how she would eventually talk to me. Eventually, away from the Counseling Center, I was able to say, \"Will you bring me your gun next time?\" And she eventually surrendered it to me, and we went on. But, I just tell that story as a— to talk about how serious it was, and what an incredible assault it was on human dignity, and how it reached people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4305.79,4346.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And you also said that it was a great step forward for the community. In what way was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4346.24,4354.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Well, because we won. I think just having everybody rally and get just barely enough people on our side to say, \"This is not right.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4354.25,4369.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Well, people had to come out to straight people—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4369.26,4371.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4371.19,4371.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: —to convince them to vote—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4371.27,4371.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Yes, they did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4371.51,4371.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: —against it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4371.67,4371.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Yeah. I would say of all of our strategies coming out, that was the great era of coming out. I'd say the ‘90s in Eugene, that was what everybody needed to do, was encouraged to do, did do. We're celebrating because they did it, and just in so many different ways.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4371.35,4394.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that is the way that the world changes. That's Measure 9, and the impact that it had, which was a huge focus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4396.54,4408.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: I have a question apropos to nothing. A lot of lesbians were involved in co-counseling.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4408.32,4413.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Oh, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4414.28,4414.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: I'm wondering what you, as a professional therapist, what you thought about that movement in the lesbian community?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4414.57,4420.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Yeah, it was very, very popular at the time. I think there was a lot of value that came from it. I probably have a little bit of a proprietorship about how it's done. There were some very good organizations training people. There were also people that just said, \"Hey, there's this thing called co-counseling. Tell me your deepest secrets.\" And that didn't have such a positive outcome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4420.98,4451.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In general, I think teaching people to listen carefully and respectfully, and share in a vulnerable way is a positive thing. So, we were— I mean, I was involved in some trainings around that. I don't remember a lot of competitive feelings about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4452.78,4474.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But then that's partly because, like any profession, there's a pecking order. I was already dealing with the psychologist thinking they were so much better than we were. I didn't really want to tack on some other effort of counseling.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4475.05,4492.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What is the focus of co-counseling?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4494.44,4496.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Well, it's where you teach people to be counselors to each other.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4496.36,4503.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You take turns, when it's well done, you take turns and you listen carefully and you paraphrase. You learned some of the basics of counseling. And it gives people a chance to be heard. That's a hugely important component of mental health, of human mental health.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4504.93,4521.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think that when it was kept at that extent, I think it was very positive. The thing it doesn't have is a long-term view, and a treatment plan. And, where are you going to go when that pain comes out? Where are you going to go with it? And to me that's the difference with therapy, is that the therapist is prepared then to see the long-term.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4522.08,4550.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When you're in that crisis that can be created by sharing, you have to have somebody that's confident to hold that pain, and know that it's going to get better. And people couldn't necessarily do that for each other, especially since they were there with their own pain.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4551.82,4569.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Certainly, that's one of the things we taught a lot, was managing grief and anger. Because there was this, I'm telling you, there was a lot of pain.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4572.28,4580.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So, what happens after the '90s? Like the early '90s we have the measures. And then what was in your life?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4580.55,4591.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Well, you know, one of the things that happened in therapy, and that's my lens, is that the straight therapists got better and better in working with lesbian clients. In a certain way we were in that position, I guess, an enviable position of sort of working ourselves out of a job. Although there were plenty of clients, because we did a lot of training of therapists.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4591.58,4620.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And therapists are generally pretty responsive to learning and to getting better. I did a lot of training both with the Lane County Psychologist's Association and the Oregon Counseling Association, and Oregon Association for Women in Psychology. And we had a lot of straight therapists. I would have certainly at these conferences, you know, fifty straight therapists hanging on every word of, how do you nuance this? What would lesbian client be feeling about that? How is that relationship different than a man and a woman relationship?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4623.88,4664.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was a very exciting time professionally for me, because of that interest. It was an interesting juxtaposition, because on the one hand, it was hard on a daily basis in the ways that I'm telling you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4665.5,4680.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"On the other hand, there's a certain rock star quality to it, because everybody wanted to know what it was like to be a lesbian.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4680.57,4688.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was kind of heady getting to teach these people about the nuances of our lives, and the language, you know, we did a lot around language, and issues. 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I think because, now, you would do your referral based on the quality of the therapists, like how they actually did their work, not their identity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4691.34,4729.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Because it must have been uncomfortable, or was it, for so many lesbians to know that they're seeing the same therapist?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4730.69,4739.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Yeah, I think it was. It was crazy. It was pretty crazy, I have to say.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4739.63,4748.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you ever feel talked about, like—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4749.78,4751.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Oh, yeah, big time. It's just part of the animal of therapy. People always, to a certain extent— at that time, we'd probably say stalk their therapists, now we'd say Google their therapists. Just because of the intimacy of the connection. Maybe less for me because I was so public, that I think people probably— I talked about my partner, and I talked about things in my presentations. But, when I was actually— when I was working in sports medicine, well, I guess it was at South Eugene? I think it might have been Eugene. Might have been at Chico State, anyway. And I found out that my picture was up on the inside of the locker in the women's locker room. It's like, \"Oh man, I don't know about this,\" you know— I'm glad they like me, but I'm not sure I want to be the object here. It was pretty— and now in retrospect, it was heady times. And the whole U of O gig didn't hurt, you know, being the face of lesbianism for a while.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4754.23,4834.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And you were a lifeline for so many women.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4834.19,4836.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Yeah. That was the cool thing. And, when I got scared, because that's the other piece is the fear. Because I'd go out in these boondock places and self-identify, and just have my name, you know, sexual orientation as a specialist on a building, my offices around town. I'd exercise more caution than any of the other therapists in my building of when I came and when I left.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4836.22,4871.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Did you ever have a serious problem?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4872.91,4876.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Yeah. I had at one of my offices, I had some pretty homophobic graffiti, and I ended up— and it was somebody that had been to one of my workshops. And before that, I was more open with my own relationship with my partner, and after that I wasn't. Because, I said too much about where we lived, just trying to be, you know, the girl next door, but it was too much information.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4876.12,4912.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the same guy showed up several different places where I had talked about in my presentation that we went to the dog park, and the softball, and the U of O, and any identifying things that I had said. And it's like, \"Mm-hmm, okay, I think I'll be a little bit more discreet.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4912.7,4935.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Did you talk to the police about it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4935.98,4938.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: No, I didn't. On that one, my colleagues were so supportive that we just scheduled ourselves to arrive together and leave together, our office. But, certainly I certainly had all the other things that I think other gay and lesbian people have had. I mean, I've lost housing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4939.46,4956.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When I was doing— actually, here's an interesting story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4957.26,4960.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When I was doing my master's degree, I was living in— it was in South Eugene, actually, in a rental house, renting a house with my partner. And, everything was great, and great, and great. And we were great, and great. And the landlord loved us, loved us, because we were handy lesbians. And everything looked so much better in the house, and in the yard when we were there. And I was doing a paper on lesbian sex.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4961.53,4990.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had JoAnn Loulan’s books on lesbian passion and lesbian sex.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4991.26,4995.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, they were just with my other textbooks, it was like no big deal. But they came through to fix the toilet or some such thing and they were laying out. Of course, they had to be laying on the bed, of course. And, the next day it's like, \"Well, we've made other plans.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=4996.11,5013.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We're selling the house. We have other renters.\" We got kicked out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5014.02,5017.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was in the middle of my master's thesis, and they say, \"You have a week to get out.\" So, we did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5017.54,5026.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What year was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5026.04,5027.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: That would have been in '85.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5027.55,5029.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: There wasn't housing protection at that time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5031.17,5033.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Well, there might have been, but it wasn't commonly known how you would proceed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5034.15,5039.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: There wasn't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5040.01,5040.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5040.68,5042.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Because of 51.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5042.14,5042.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Because of measure 50— the Referendum 51.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5042.67,5046.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: There wasn't any?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5046.18,5046.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. Yeah, that was my impression. I mean, it didn't really cross our minds. It wasn't something people did. We just got out. And then, if we have all probably been spit on, and yelled at. And, that's the type of thing I would talk about in my trainings. Because, again, using my connection with PFLAG, and sort of that All-American girl kind of a persona. Like, I said, “No, I've lost housing, I've lost jobs, I've been spit on. I've had my car damaged, I've had a flat tire at South Eugene High school, actually.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5046.68,5088.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Flat tire, I've had my car keyed, I've had graffiti. I've been yelled at, I've been chased.” And people were just like, \"No, not you.\" It's like, \"Yeah, that's who it is. That's what we're working with here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5089.63,5106.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that's why I'm here, and that's why you're here. \"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5106.54,5111.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What's your relationship— I know you live far away now, but have you kept contact with women in the community here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5111.86,5121.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: You know, I have friends, my greatest difficulty probably if I were to identify one of the most difficult parts of my life, it would be trying to make the transition away from Eugene. And, I didn't do it well. I did not do it well. And, I think we all have times when we'd go back in our lives and change it. Because what I did was, well, I fell in love with somebody in Corvallis.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5121.63,5162.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, at that time she was on the faculty of OSU. Her job didn't feel very commutable. And, I kind of, actually made an incorrect judgment that my job was more commutable. But actually when you're in a referral-based business, it really is probably the least commutable of anything. Because you have to live in the community where you're expecting to help people, and expecting referrals.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5163.48,5191.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You can't just see people in your office?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5191.12,5194.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Yeah, but— let's see, how am I trying to say this? What I tried to do was commute from Corvallis and keep my practice here. And there's just too much that goes on in a community that's important to know about, and to be a part of. You don't realize it, how much of your just every day is just because you know where the women are, or the stores are, how the team's doing. You know what's going on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5194.86,5228.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I would take the Register-Guard for a period of time, but that was pretty unwieldy. I'm getting it two days late and $40 a month, you know, it's like— So, I tried to come down here, but then of course, any practice has its ups and downs, where people would cancel and then it had the spaces. And then they had to do extra. They really did need a session tomorrow, but I didn't really want to drive forty miles down for a session tomorrow, but you really do need it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5229.11,5255.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's a pretty hard profession, actually, to not be in town. I've tried to do that for ten years, and keep my practice here, partly because I was teaching in the Women in Transition program at Lane, also. I was able to combine it so I could do more on the days that I was here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5257.03,5277.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But that was really a sad time because I couldn't be here for women. I mean, there's a certain reality of, I'm here for you, you know, which means that I'm going to smile at you, at the post office, you know, I'm going to wave to you across the gym. We're in this together. I really missed that. And then I moved my practice to Corvallis for five years, and all my clients were from Eugene.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5278.12,5306.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My clients came up to see me in Corvallis, which was easier for me, but not for them. And then that didn't help me really integrate into the Corvallis community, because I was only seeing Eugene clients.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5308.33,5317.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was kind of a tough time. I think a private practice needs a grounding.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5318.86,5324.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I retired earlier than I would have liked. I really enjoyed what I was doing. But, we moved then from Corvallis to the farm, which is forty miles North of Corvallis up near Amity and Rickreall, in that area. Then it was a two hour commute to Eugene. And it's like, \"Oh, okay.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5327.44,5344.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How did you end up on a farm?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5345.78,5347.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/299","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Interesting question. It's a fourth generation family farm in my family. Yes. It was passed on from my grandma to my mom, to me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5347.59,5360.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/300","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When I was lucky enough to marry a good Wisconsin farmer girl, and she knows what to do with it. She has a huge garden and, we have a little business where we sell tomato, tomato starts in a little farm stand on the property and everything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5362.33,5382.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, I retired to do that, and I was going to go back to work, and do some more professional work. But, honestly, managing a 160 acre farm is kind of kind of time consuming. I still might do more, but now McMinnville would be my closest community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5382.16,5403.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, like I said, you could say that you were a lesbian and a therapist, and that might be meaningful to some people, but not in the way it was. Because lesbians have their therapists and they're doing a good job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5404.66,5418.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/303","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Interesting. And, you said you're interested in loneliness.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5418.22,5423.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/304","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5423.94,5424.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And, we've been talking to people about what might be different about aging as a lesbian?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5424.39,5430.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: That's a current topic, for sure. I am thinking actually about starting something, a group or a blog or something about those of us that are in the country as well. I would just say this because, here we are talking. But, I'm telling you, all those fears that we have about what's going on in the world? You get out in the rural areas and it's all true. It's all true. It's been a shock.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5430.4,5466.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/307","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Can you explain what you mean?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5466.85,5468.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/308","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Well, our closest neighbor has an arsenal, let's just start there. And, with every right in the world to have his guns, and to shoot his guns, and his big motorbikes or whatever, and do things on your property. It's the wild, wild west out there. It's the long time farmers, it's the “might makes right.” And they do not cotton to working with women. Worst of all being told by women what to do. And, it's two women. We talk about it often, like is it because we're gay? Is it because we're women? Is it because we're older? Is it because we're outsiders, even though it's been in my family for four generations? Is it that we eat organic?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5468.91,5528.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/309","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That might be one of the worst of them. What is it that is hard to get the rapport? It's hard to get the respect? And both of us, maybe especially me, but Donna certainly in a faculty position, being very comfortable socially, and gaining rapport and being well thought of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5529.46,5553.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/310","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, for me who depended a lot on the ability to gain rapport, Whoo, it's tough to just be looked at by some of these folks. Just like blank slate, “I’d just as soon— “ you know, not kill you, it doesn't feel dangerous like that, but, “I would just really like it if you weren't here. I’d just really don't— I'll say hello to you, but I don't really want to at all.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5554.6,5582.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/311","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So, you think there are lesbians in the community?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5583.97,5585.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/312","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Yeah. And you know, it's odd. I don't think the lesbian aspect is the most off-putting to people. I really think it's more about being women. It's really interesting because, the things they respect in the country, of course, are strong women, physically strong. Power tools, pickup trucks, and the ability to take care of your land. So, you're land looks good. It's not all weedy, you have a gravel on your lane. Your oak trees are trimmed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5587.0,5629.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/313","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If you're a good caretaker of the land, that's what gains respect.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5629.65,5637.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/314","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, if two women want to do that together, all right. The fact that they're together, the fact that they're women, that's a little odd.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5638.17,5647.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/315","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Does that make sense? Teasing that out. It's hard to tell, but the absence of a man— it's almost like more the absence of a man than it is that it’s two women. I think it's more— because people often have assumed that we're sisters, and we'll say that, and they really want that to be the case. So, we often just let that be the case.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5648.78,5672.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/316","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But, it's sort of like, \"How are you doing it out here by yourself without a man?\" So, it's an odd animal. We managed the farm for years and years. All of my clients here in Eugene would have heard about the farm, and know about the farm. But, then when my mom died, we had a family transition. And then Donna and I have been there really just full time for three years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5676.83,5702.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I've managed it really my whole life, but we're really still getting used to it a lot. Really a lot. And, here's what I'm saying almost, is that, some of the country lesbians, me particularly, have less in common with than like straight women, other places, if that make sense. Like, say where we are now in McMinnville, we've met some of the lesbians and they're pretty wild, wild West.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5703.61,5736.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And do you mean by that conservative politically?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5737.3,5739.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/319","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Yeah. And just sort of, rough and tough. And, they're willing to just race their pickup truck right next to the boys. And Donna is from Milwaukee, she's, kind of a tough working class kid. She's out there competing. And she's very strong physically, and so she's, kind of, holds us— holds down the fort in terms of the competing with the guys.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5739.72,5771.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She often goes out and talks to the guys, because I'm way too wordy for the guys. I'm way too soft, I'm way too like, trying to see what would work for them. It's just like, \"Ma'am, where do you want it? Just tell me what to do.\" And, I'm trying to say, \"Well, it wasn't exactly what I had in mind.\" And Donna's more able to say, \"Hey, that's wrong, move it.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5772.03,5795.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What's your thoughts about, as you age, and where do you want to live, and what community you want around you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5795.34,5804.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Well, it's one of the reasons that I'm working a little bit with the loneliness aspect or social isolation. Because, the women we do talk to, it's so prevalent. It's prevalent in the country, but it's also prevalent in the cities. It just seems like— this is just my latest philosophy. So, it just seems like the boomer women are getting a little lost. Are getting a little lost from the power, and the skills, and talents, and all the things that we offered the world, and I think still do have to offer to the world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5804.58,5847.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/323","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But, I've just talked to a lot of women who they're just spending some time here doing this, and spending some time here doing that, whether it's with their grandkids or taking some trips, or helping with this one project. I don't notice women really getting very centered on what they would like their third chapter to be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5849.78,5873.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, if they were happy with that, then that's okay. I mean, that's not an issue, but I think a lot of people are not happy with that. 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And my grandma, she died right there on the farm at ninety-nine and a half. And that's the other side, that's my mom's side. I'd probably have a little while to go here, I hope. I just think that's our next thing, is sort of, how do we focus? And, my other angle on that is all the distractions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5898.27,5926.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/327","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I just think that we've really lost our ability to attend, and to attend to what we want to accomplish, or attend to our friend, or attend to our child or whatever it is. 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It seems to me that a lot of us are wringing our hands, and feeling very powerless.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=5984.94,6010.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And you've seen women come together and make a change—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6010.21,6014.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/332","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Exactly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6014.36,6015.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/333","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: —before?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6015.04,6015.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/334","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Exactly. Yeah. I just don't buy it for a minute that we can't do something, or that we're too old to do something. I understand and appreciate aging. I also think we can get too focused on that. Most of us have twenty more good years, and then twenty after that to put ourselves out to pasture, or whatever. But, there's just a way that we need, I think, that we need that intimacy with other women.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6015.3,6051.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/335","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My master’s thesis was actually was on women's friendships, and the critical importance of women's friendships. And, when I talk to women now, you don't see that close circle of women friends where you meet frequently, and where you are in intimate conversation with each other.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6052.61,6072.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/336","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"People might meet for watch the grandkids play or something like that. But, in terms of really who are you, and what do you want, and what's meaningful to you, and what are you struggling with?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6073.35,6082.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/337","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, how can we work together for something? That “tend and befriend” that women need for mental health, for us all to be healthy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6082.91,6095.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/338","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, I think, I mean, you're getting all my opinions and things now. I see so many women sequestering themselves off into what I call their own nest. So much home improvement going on. I was like, \"Okay now, how much do we need to nest as sixty-year-olds?\" You know what I mean? Isn't there that next piece where we have the nest feathered, and there's something more to do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6096.12,6128.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/339","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, I guess that, in preparing for this, and really thinking about it— you know, those eras of our twenties, thirties, early forties are so influential in who we are as people. I'm recognizing that I have that so much to my core of the meaningfulness of doing something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6129.13,6154.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/340","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I just can't imagine, after having this experience that we're talking about today, I can't imagine just like some of my friends are— let's see this. Well, I have to remember. This could be awkward by a number of different people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6154.49,6169.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/341","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: There's lots of perspectives.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6169.02,6171.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/342","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: There's lots of perspectives, yes for me, I will say. That golfing and cruising, I could do those activities for a while, but I know they would not sustain me. I know they would not sustain me for the next thirty years. And, that's what I feel is that loneliness that's creeping into our lives. That social isolation that we're over here, and we have wonderful nests. And we show each other our new decks or whatever. And we do it too, but—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6171.07,6201.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/343","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You've got a big nest. Acres of nest.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6201.22,6206.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Yeah, with a lot of feathers, that need to happen. But, what is that thing that we can do, and that our generation can do, and that also gives us individual happiness?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6206.39,6220.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Your professional expertise seems really needed in the assisted living world. It's very clear that the assisted living, and retirement homes are not ready for us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6220.97,6232.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/346","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6232.89,6233.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/347","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: They don't know how to— there's no training about how to deal with gay and lesbian people. And that there's work for you to do there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6233.27,6241.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/348","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Well, thank you for that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6241.53,6242.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/349","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6243.0,6243.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/350","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Thank you very much. Thank you, Judith, for that. That is great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6243.36,6247.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/351","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That is a great point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6247.64,6248.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/352","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And it has a lot to do with loneliness.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6248.79,6250.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/353","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6250.3,6250.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/354","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: If you're now almost maybe a closeted person, again, in that place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6250.68,6255.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/355","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: That is a great, that is— what a gem. Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6255.93,6260.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/356","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Is there something that we haven't asked you? And then we have an ending question—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6260.87,6265.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/357","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Oh, you have—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6265.22,6265.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/358","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: —that I want to make sure we cover the—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6265.69,6267.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/359","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6267.31,6268.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/360","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: —stories that you're interested in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6269.29,6269.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/361","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: I do have just a tiny bit of outline. But, it's just tiny.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6269.86,6279.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/362","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6279.52,6279.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/363","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: I mean, I had four things I wanted to be sure and say about why this time in Eugene was so different, and so influential. And then I had a little something I wanted to read—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6279.68,6289.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/364","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6289.61,6290.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/365","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: —that really speaks to me. Just a few things I wanted to just be sure and work in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6290.17,6300.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/366","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6300.5,6301.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/367","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Okay. I'm going to tell you one more story. It's just a story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6301.89,6304.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/368","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6304.22,6304.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/369","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Okay. When I was at the U of O about one of the funniest— I'll say this, this is one of the funniest experiences I had. You know, I was working with the student groups and things like that. Of course, in college your main psychological issue is identity development.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6304.69,6322.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/370","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was advising the gay and lesbian group or whatever. They decided the thing they wanted to do to educate, was they wanted to have a “Kiss-In” at Valley River Center [laughs]. This gives you a flavor for, you know, this would have been like early '90s, '91 probably.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6322.68,6342.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/371","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm their advisor, and for that age, that's the perfect thing. They're just experimenting, who am I, how far out can I go? And everything like that. So, I say, \"Okay, well, good luck. I'm not coming over.\" They're madly kissing away in the middle of Valley River Center.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6344.03,6365.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/372","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I get this phone call, and it's like, \"Are you with the University of Oregon?\" \"Yes.\" \"Well, are you a professional?\" \"Yes, I am.\" \"Are you on the faculty? \" \"Yes I am.\" \"Well, what on earth are you doing letting these kids over here?\" I said, \"Well, sir, I'm really— I can see why that would be concerning to you. I can see why that got your attention.\" And, it turned out in our conversation that he was actually very pro-gay rights. He said, \"But, you're ruining it all. It will never happen if you have these ridiculous things going on. And everybody's seeing that, and everybody's disgusted.” And all of this. Then I went into little developmental theory. And it's like, \"Well, it's just, they're twenty. By the time they're twenty-five, they'll be looking back, and they'll be busy trying to get jobs or something. It's just a thing. It's just right now. Don't worry about it, it's just today.\" And so, we kind of got out of it. But, I just wanted to share that because I did never think I would be part of monitoring a “Kiss-In.” I just wanted to just say, just why I think this experience was so incredible for so many people. And, I've already said a lot of it, but one of them was because of, like I said, all lesbians were doing something. You had that, that war effort, kind of feeling. I talked about the fact— well, a little bit about— that we weren't so distracted, because we were in our thirties, and so we had small houses. And we might have had pets, but we didn't have kids, or that we weren't distracted.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6367.09,6473.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/373","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If the MLK march was this Saturday, we were all going to be there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6473.54,6478.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/374","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And now like with the Women's March, we went over, but, several of our friends are like, \"Well, we're having our kitchen redone, and we just can't get away on Saturday.\" Or, taking care of older parents, or, there's just stuff. Or a grandchild, the last minute needed babysitting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6479.31,6499.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/375","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, that was one of the things— and we didn't have devices.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6500.57,6503.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/376","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When we went into events, we were wholehearted. Because I remember some of these panels, where we would, all our team would come in and we were all focused on it. We'd all hug and it was real hugs. Like, there you are. And then, we do it, and then we'd go out afterwards together. There were no phones. Because now so often as we all know, you do an event and it means a lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6503.63,6526.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/377","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then the next minute, everybody's on their phone, off to the next thing. It's like, \"What text did I get while I was here?\" That was part of it, that focus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6527.28,6537.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/378","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The other thing was every major organization in the city, or many of them, were on board, were really invested, like the U of O. Like I said, up at LCC and I wanted to mention Kate Barry, and Jill Bradley, and the work they did. The Unitarian Church gave us all of our facilities for free. EWEB actually did some progressive programming.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6538.61,6566.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/379","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"People got involved, and you had that support, sort of, structural support. And then, the last thing I wanted to finish on is, my little thing, which is that we were on the right side of the issue. And we knew we were on the side of the issue, and the right side of history.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6568.64,6589.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/380","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that's one of the things that I find so difficult now, is that the issues can be so gray.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6590.14,6597.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/381","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, I would just say because of my current life, like organic farming. We feel so strongly about the food supply, and the amount of chemicals that conventional farmers use. And, we talk all we can about that, and we raise organic, and sell organic. And we put signs on our property advertising our organic farm stand that say “Organics—Not just for leftists anymore.” [laughs] We try to humor it, we try to— we care about it, but when you get into the complexities of the food supply, it's gray. You try to educate, but there's not the righteousness in a good way that we had done. We knew it was right to honor and respect people, and to fight for that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6598.33,6656.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/382","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Those are just some of the reasons I think it all came together the way that it did. And, this is a poem that was just— this is a thank you card for one of the many fundraiser receptions, and things like that, that we did. It's a poem from the National Women's Political Caucus. Can I read it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6658.12,6678.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/383","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Mm-hmm [affirmative].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6678.67,6678.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/384","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Mm-hmm [affirmative].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6678.86,6679.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/385","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: This will be my last thing. It says: “We are in for a very, very long haul. I'm asking you for everything you have to give. We will never give up. You will lose your youth, your sleep, your patience, your sense of humor, and occasionally the understanding and support of people that you love very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6679.03,6701.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/386","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In return, I have nothing to offer you, but your pride in being a woman, and all your dreams you've ever had for your daughters, and nieces and granddaughters. Your future and the certain knowledge that at the end of your days, you will be able to look back and say that once in your life, you gave everything you had for justice.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6702.75,6724.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/387","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Nice. Thank you very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6724.75,6729.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/388","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yeah, thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6729.79,6731.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/389","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Landforce: Yeah, thank you. Thank you very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6731.62,6733.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/390","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[END OF INTERVIEW]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609#t=6733.42,6733.52"}]},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56409/file/130609/transcript/92626/annotation/391","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/626/original/868_Coll520_do068_aligned.vtt?1776852383","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/626/original/868_Coll520_do068_aligned.vtt?1776852383"}]}]}]}