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She had an early awareness of her lesbian sexuality, but kept it to herself. In the first grade, she had a crush on her classmate Patty. By high school, she was aware of homophobia, and became uncomfortable and feared she would be shot. However, her brothers accepted her, and called her \"butch.\" She talks about the race riots at her high school. Paula Jo describes her musical interests. By age sixteen, she had an electric guitar. She talks about playing in bands. After high school, she worked as a bagger at Safeway and as a hotel maid. She also did carpentry. She moved to Oregon with her friends Tim and Michelle. Paula Jo relates that this was the first time she saw trees. In Eugene and living in a community of people called the \"Eugene Coalition,\" Paula Jo learned about sexism, racism, and Marxism. Her friends Tim and Michelle were Baha'is, and so was Paula Jo, until, as she relates, she learned that Baha'is do not tolerate homosexuality. In 1974, she was interviewed for a job at Starflower Natural Foods \u0026amp; Botanicals. Paula Jo did warehouse work and then became a trucker. She talks about the progressive mission of Starflower, but also the difficulties of operating a cooperative. She discusses playing in bands, and describes the members and the music. She concludes her interview by discussing assimilation of the lesbian community, and aging.\n\nKey terms: Bands (music); Black Panther Party; Camilio, Cheryl; Collectives; Cooperatives; Cormier, Lesbian identity; Sager, Jill; Soulicious (band); TranSister (band); Trucking."]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Paula Jo Vaden (Interviewee)","Judith L. Raiskin (Interviewer)","Linda Long (Interviewer)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["In Copyright"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["https://scua.uoregon.edu/repositories/2/archival_objects/607046"]}},{"label":{"en":["Type"]},"value":{"en":["Moving Image"]}}],"summary":{"en":["The Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project Collection consists of interviews of 83 people for the Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project, conducted by Professor Judith Raiskin and Curator Linda Long at the University of Oregon starting in the summer of 2018."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["In Copyright"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/029/original/uo-logo-hires.png?1580744881","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/130/388/small/Coll520_do059.jpg?1637324531","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - Coll520_do059.mp4"]},"duration":5453.99467,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/130/388/small/Coll520_do059.jpg?1637324531","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-universityoforegonlibraries.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/130/388/original/Coll520_do059.mp4?1637324531","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":5453.99467,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["836_Coll520_do059_aligned [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: This interview is part of the Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1.04,7.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The recordings will be made available through the University of Oregon Libraries’ Special Collections and University Archives. This is an oral history interview with Paula Jo Vaden on November 3, 2018, taking place in the University of Oregon Libraries’ recording studio in the Center for Media and Educational Technologies. The interviewers are Linda Long, Curator of Manuscripts in the UO Libraries’ Special Collections and University Archives and Professor Judith Raiskin of the UO Department of Women's, Gender and Sexuality Studies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=7.52,39.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Jo, please let us know if you agree to be recorded for this project, and that you give your permission for the university to preserve and make available your recorded and transcribed interview.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=40.44,50.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Indeed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=51.69,52.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Thank you very much. Why don't we just start with a basic question. Can you please tell us where and when you were born, and something about your early years?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=52.34,60.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: I was born in Las Vegas, Nevada in 1953. I've been through many bomb scares living sixty miles from the Nevada test site. Growing up, I had an epiphany is what I've always called it, but I had an occurring, something, where it seriously— the thunder crashed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=60.0,96.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Seriously, and it scared me to death, and I huddled in a little rose bush. I lived on Glider Street, because there's a number of homes in my life, but Glider Street. I looked up into the sky and there was this giant face staring at me and I can't tell you that that was God, but I can tell you it was serious and I've always interpreted it as the day that I was assigned what I was to do in my life, and here was my path.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=96.66,142.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How old were you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=142.24,144.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Four. And I knew I had some different feelings at that time. This was an awareness brought on by this— ckkkksh! But definitely by the time I was in first grade, I was having major palpitations for Patty Osuna, I'm telling you. So the path wasn't wrong, so I'm on it, so here we go. Yeah, so that was first grade and went through a lot of crushes up to sixth grade, so that was grammar school right there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=148.16,188.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So did you feel that that face, that presence, protected you in this or was supporting you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=188.71,200.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Yeah, because it didn't do, \"This is what you have to do.\" I wasn't getting that. I was getting this [opens arms out]. I was getting just a— I'll call it neutral. It was neutral and it was just more of a gift perhaps, because it wasn't something that I should fear, but it was something that I had to keep to myself for a long time, because that kind of stuff you don't talk about because people will get you for stuff like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=200.57,235.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So you knew that people were opposed to your crushes on girls, that it wasn't something to—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=235.79,242.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Yeah. Yeah. At that time, I had three older brothers and I have five brothers, two younger. But the three older, by the time, I don't know, I was twelve years old, we were living at what we called the two-story house. My mom was in the hospital and my dad and three older brothers were sitting on the couch and I had just taken a bath and I combed my hair like theirs. I walked into the living room with my hair like theirs and I took on an awkward silence, and I can't tell you how they looked at me, but they looked at me. I just kind of shrugged it off, turned around, and went and did whatever else to my hair. But yeah, that was kind of like, \"Well, here I am and I'm with you guys.\" And then we get a hunting dog and I get to name him Butch. Well, now you can call me Butch.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=242.1,312.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Those brothers could call me Butch. My dad would tell me I was squirrely. He'd call me squirrely. So that was junior high kind of era.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=312.18,322.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What kind of jobs did your parents have there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=322.98,324.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: My dad was a roofer until he became the business agent for the roofers' local union there in Las Vegas. We lived in an area— it was called North Las Vegas. It was an awesome place, lots of places to play, lots of things going on. But let's see, I don't want to get off of what I was on a moment ago.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=324.8,351.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Yeah, you were in junior high.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=351.81,353.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Yeah, okay. Oh yeah, it was a great long story, but in a nutshell, I impersonated two of my cousins from England to these girls that I had crushes on. So longer story short, the last day, I had my brother's clothes on and I had on sunglasses and I walked one of my friends when I was me, walked her home in my cousin's clothes. And when I left her to go in her house, I turned around and there was an entire circle of people that were just going to kick my ass. I got out. I got out. I had been lucky in that way, but I got out unscathed, but not, however, humiliated until I left that neighborhood so to speak. But that was—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=353.47,416.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And they were going to beat you up because you were dressed in boys' clothes?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=416.7,421.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Yeah, and that I had been carrying on this charade being these two other people. It was beyond fantasy. I mean, that's what drove it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=422.09,433.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm sure whatever it was, it was a little out of balance, but I am who I am today because of it, sure. Sure. It was good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=433.81,446.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you have any relationships in middle school or high school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=447.25,451.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Yeah. They were more like girl friendships where you're going to go make out with this curious one or that curious one, et cetera.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=451.58,467.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I could take advantage of that because I knew that's exactly what was going on. That's what I was doing. \"Oh God, they want to kiss and so do I,\" kind of thing. But it was creepy. By the time I got into high school, I thought I had a girlfriend and I scared her. I scared her and had felt creeped out by it. I felt creepy about it. She didn't want to be as intense about being a girlfriend as I was being and had no other way to know until she cried and then I— [mumbles].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=467.9,519.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's all in the learning. It's all in the growing up. This is part of my character. I can either be like this or I can— but go. Go on that path nonetheless.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=520.81,528.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you find any other girls who identified as lesbians in high school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=528.59,532.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Let's say not that we could talk about, because I thought that gym teacher was. I had two gym teachers in junior high school that took me out to go chopping wood one weekend with them. I thought, \"Okay, Mrs. Grigsby and Mrs. Poppins,\" or whatever her name was, \"Oh yeah.\" It was there, it was just kind of a [puts hand over mouth] kind of a thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=532.23,566.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: The negative ideas about being a lesbian, did you get those from family or from religion or from general culture?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=566.58,576.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: I could say general culture, but the pinhead would be I knew I was different and I was uncomfortable all the time. The one visual that was a constant for me as a kid walking down Main Street was to be shot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=576.43,603.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You were afraid you'd be shot?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=603.82,607.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Yeah. But—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=607.93,610.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Because you were different?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=610.74,611.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Yeah. And people had called me a dyke and this, that, and the other thing. But lovingly, my brothers were calling me Butch, knowingly and accepting me. But we still— it wasn't a part of everyday, \"Oh yeah, it's okay. She's a big gay girl and la, la, la.\" It wasn't happening like that, but stay to that path, do what you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=611.96,643.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was your parents' attitude?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=643.05,644.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: When I was sixteen, I had been outside. My mom said, \"Come on in the house. I want to talk to you for a moment.\" And so I went and I sat down at the dining room table and she looks at me and she goes, \"Is there anything you want to talk about?\" And I stood straight up and I said, \"Nope,\" and I walked right back out that door. No, we weren't going to talk about that that day. Little did I know, she was open to it, and I didn't know that until my youngest brother— who is also gay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=644.92,679.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So high school, I really didn't know anybody. I would go or I wouldn't go. I had some friends to hang out with, always getting by by the skin of my teeth, as mom would say. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=687.11,704.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you graduate high school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=704.64,705.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=705.82,706.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So when you were sixteen, did you start spending time with people outside of school more?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=706.57,711.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Yes. Yes. Yeah. They made me. No, they didn't. They didn't at all. I was so totally not into going to school. And then there were riots in my high school, and so that was a time when it was okay to not go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=711.43,730.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mean, my mom actually kept me home from school one day because of the riots. I'm like, \"Well, that was big.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=731.34,736.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What year was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=736.31,737.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Sixty-eight, '69. Oh, '69, '70, up into '71.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=738.18,743.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And what were the riots about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=743.35,745.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: The Blank Panther Party was happening, so all politics. And we're just right across California, Las Vegas, and so there's this big influence going on, and I'm quite ignorant of the influence that's happening. So in my own little world as being on campus with all these people, it was apparently because Lonnie Wright, the black basketball player, was being boyfriends with Mickie Angel, who was a white cheerleader. And now— we're going to clash in the bathrooms, we're going to burn up cars, we're going to turn them over. People shooting the hallway, and that's when they started chaining down the garbage cans because people couldn't throw them. Yeah, teachers got hurt, people got hurt. And cops are there in riot gear every morning. Somebody hollers, \"Stop!\" and a kid turns around and here's this big old freaking pistol in his waistband. So yeah, it was dangerous. But the times, they were a changing, if there was a song to go there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=746.27,820.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Speaking of which, were you doing music when you were a young child?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=820.05,824.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Yeah, I did. There was this little organ. It was called a Belvedere and it had some cool button chord sounds over here and it had keys over here, and I could find three chords and play something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=824.7,844.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then by the time I was sixteen, I had bought my first guitar.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=845.74,852.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My dad had had a guitar and so I tried to put some baling wire and fishing string on it to play it. I mean, I was hard up for playing this guitar. Didn't work, didn't sound right. But my brother, Chas, went to the ENT drugstore and bought my first set of guitar strings and I knew of an open tuning, and so now I have three chords. Three chords, you can play whatever you want to play on three chords.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=853.63,885.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Off from there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=886.06,886.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So as much as Mom might go, \"Why do you have to play that thing?\" When there became a drunken party at the house, they're like, \"Paula, go get your guitar,\" kind of thing. But I was going to play anyway. By the time I was seventeen, I had played a Opportunity Village benefit at the Stardust Hotel in one of their banquet rooms, and that was one of my first real gigs. I always sang in choir or some little ensemble like that. In high school, we had gone over to the junior high school and I was to do a solo of “Proud Mary” that day, and so I was pretty jazzed, pretty nervous.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=888.37,933.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The choir's down there part of the show and I go to take off my choir robe and— I'm kind of a frumpy person at that time and you had to wear a dress, and that made me even more frumpy. I didn't like it. But anyway, that's what was happening.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=933.56,951.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I get up there and I hear a lot of— going on and— that kind of energy. So, what the hell, I'm going to do my thing. I did my thing and I got the best response. So okay, we're doing what we're supposed to be doing. This is good. And then—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=952.3,970.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What kind of music did you like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=970.2,971.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Did I like at the time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=971.92,974.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Mm-hmm [affirmative].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=974.16,974.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: I liked gospel music. I liked rock and roll. I learned the most of what I learned on guitar at first off of the two albums, Tea for the Tillerman, Cat Stevens, and Tapestry, Carole King. Those were the two most influential records I ever had in my life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=974.52,1003.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you have a band?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1003.94,1006.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: We had our “pot and pan” ensembles. Literally. You've seen in the cartoons where the pan lid is hanging from a tree and you've got the little garbage can with the foot hooper on it. It's happening. You got a stick in the ground with a beer can on it for a microphone, a plastic five-cent harmonica, whatever. But before I had a guitar— I was just remembering before I had my dad's guitar, I would nail a pie tin to a stick. And in the front yard, we had ivy vines, we had ivy, and I would take the leaves off of those and I would nail them to that stick and that pan and have my banjo. It was my ivy banjo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1008.06,1063.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How did you meet other kids to play with?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1063.67,1068.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Other kids just want to play. They weren't hard to find, but then I lived in a neighborhood full of kids and somebody was always into playing something. Hide-and-seek, army, play music. Play music.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1068.7,1090.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that was at the two-story house when we started having our first pot and pan ensembles. And then by the time we got out, I was fifteen. Maybe we had a little more— yeah, well, sixteen anyway, because I had an actual electric guitar at sixteen. We put together some little deal called— we were “Top Drawer,” that's who we were. I don't really remember what songs we sang, but yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1091.0,1123.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wow, yeah, that brings backs a lot of memories because I'm going, God, clear back in junior high school playing the Monkees with my friends in junior high school. Yeah, I played a lot of music in some way shape or form or other. Absolutely. Choir was always best.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1123.93,1145.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: When you left school, did that open up music for you or did you lose opportunities?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1145.28,1150.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Yeah, actually. When I left school, six months later or so, I was living with my friends Tim and Michelle and their two children, and Tim had a guitar and he had a reel-to-reel that he brought back from Vietnam. And so we would sit there and do reel-to-reel, record whatever songs. He had a lot of Dylan music. That's what he knew a lot of, but he was just a gas to play with. Another adult person to sit here and play music with was just great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1150.41,1193.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And what were you doing for work?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1193.59,1197.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: At that time, I was working as a courtesy clerk for Safeway, bagging groceries and things of that nature. I had been a motel maid at one other time and I got to work at Western Cabinetry for a while when the MGM Grand was being built. We were building the gaming tables that would go into the MGM at that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1197.1,1228.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How long did you stay in Las Vegas?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1228.3,1230.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Until I was going on nineteen. Then Tim and Michelle said, \"Well, we're going to Oregon. You want to go?\" I said, \"Yeah.\" I drove a '56 Chevy Nomad with Michelle and the kids and Tim had the U- Haul.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1230.94,1250.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What did you know about Oregon?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1251.25,1252.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Not a damn thing. I didn't even know there were trees until I hit that border and I'm like, \"Oh my Lord.\" I'd never seen such a thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1252.66,1262.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You go to Mt. Charleston, you go skiing up there, whatever, but yeah. Those trees were like— that’s just another planet. That was devastating.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1263.67,1275.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you like it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1275.83,1277.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Devastatingly wonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1277.1,1277.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Yeah, you liked it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1277.81,1278.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Yeah. It was incredible. I love the desert, don't get me wrong. But yeah, those trees— yeah. That was exciting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1278.37,1287.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: I don't think I caught— who were the family that you were living with? Tim—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1287.6,1290.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: The Bowens. Tim and Michelle and their two daughters.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1290.58,1294.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How did you get with them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1294.31,1295.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: I was a Bahá'í person for about a minute until they told me they didn't like gay people and I went, \"Well, okay.\" But Tim and Michelle didn't have a problem with it. So I had to—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1297.2,1312.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So they were in the Bahá'í church?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1313.42,1315.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Yeah. Oh, and I had met Seals and Crofts during that time, just briefly. My friend Benny, he was a trumpet player at The Sands, and so they were there, or they would stay at Benny and Berry's house. Vic Damone was another Bahá'í. He was out on the strip all the time, but briefly. Because you're housekeeping for Benny and Berry so yeah, you meet people running there through all kinds of the day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1315.27,1354.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: It's an interesting history that's not been recorded, I think. So you got to Oregon. Did you come straight to Eugene?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1355.35,1364.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: I did. I did. Came straight to Eugene. Landed at Eighteenth and City View for a couple of days because that's where Tim's brother lived. But Tim had a girlfriend over on Maple Street off of River Road where I've lived since in this area. So I stayed at their house, then I ended up at Roosevelt for a year picking up the ways of the world about sexism, racism, feminism, any ism, Marxism, Leninism. Yeah, I lived in a pretty intense environment there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1364.47,1415.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And who were you living with and how did you find them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1415.19,1417.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: I found them, again, because Tim's brother, Chris, knew these people that lived at the house at Roosevelt. These people were interesting to me, so I was staying a mile or so away from the Roosevelt house and I could get a ride there, I could walk there, and that's where I was attracted to go to every day because there was something happening there all the time. Something new, something exciting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1417.8,1454.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: These are men and women?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1454.27,1456.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Men and women, yeah, and children. Big political lessons there that I knew nothing about, like I say. You could hear about the Vietnam War on the television in Las Vegas. Had I stayed longer with Tim and Michelle, I probably would have received more information outside of the bubble where I was in initially.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1456.92,1486.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I spent a year with that group. I touched upon another place, being in the group— was before the grocery stores were locking their garbage bins, we would take the long truck, a big truck, and we could go find yogurt that was not outdated and still in the case.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1491.33,1522.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We could find bread that was— things were not outdated. And produce was plentiful. Just because it didn't look good on the shelf, it was still good. And so we gathered this food and we had numerous households of maybe elders, for example, or persons who were shut in that needed help, eat for food and things of that nature. So we did a little bit of supply like that for a while and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1523.17,1558.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did your group have a name or an identity?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1559.61,1561.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Eugene Coalition. Then we also were able to provide firewood one winter to a few houses because we were able to go with trucks and cut up slash piles up in the mountains and take it and get it used by somebody who was otherwise likely to freeze in the winter, so that was good. And then I was no longer interested in staying with this group, the Coalition, so I went home for a month, went and visited my family. I came back and a friend— it was Dottie Kenyon. Dottie Kenyon, she was everyone's advocate. What can I say? Political advocate. So she knew the people from the Eugene Coalition. She worked with women's groups, upon release halfway housing for women from Oregon State.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1561.37,1645.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Coffee Creek?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1645.41,1645.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Huh?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1645.92,1646.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Coffee Creek Prison, or the—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1646.86,1648.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Coffee Creek didn't exist yet. Just right there at— OWCC, I think, is what— yeah. So through Dottie, I had met Florence, and then bingo, I'm meeting the lesbians. I'm not sleeping anywhere in particular, but, \"Oh, well, over here they need a roommate,\" so there I was at Eighth and Jackson area, just up the street from New Frontier. Eighth and Jackson. I had an interview at Starflower in 1974 and I was hired and brought into the collective. Margaret Cormier says, \"What sign are you?\" I said, \"I'm a Taurus.\" She says, “You're in!\" I felt good about that. Yeah, that was good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1648.83,1704.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And what was your job there at Starflower?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1704.23,1706.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Warehousing at first. Warehousing and learning the shop talk, so to speak. Loading, unloading, how to tie a palette, how to make it safe, how to build an order. So, all of the physical necessities for your health and well being. And then I got into trucking and one of the first vehicle— If you've talked to Jain Elliott, she may have said this, so stop me if you've heard this one. But the first delivery vehicle at Starflower was a 1953 roll-top Mercedes Benz. It had a moon roof, actually, not a roll top, and it didn't quite work all the time, so it was a little wet in there. But it was a Mercedes Benz where they could deliver the rennet-less cheese and herbs, spices.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1706.42,1780.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then they grew out of that, which before I was into Starflower, I saw a group in the car at the corner had been stopped by Eugene police, so I stopped and I said. \"Hey, what's going on over there?\" And the cop turns around to me and he goes, \"So what are you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1781.9,1802.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Some kind of curbside lawyer?\" I was so embarrassed, but it was funny to me. So that was the Mercedes. And then from the Mercedes there was what was called the cattle truck, and that's exactly what it was. There was a time when the cattle truck was coming— Nina [Robbins] and Rena [Klein] were driving home with a load of cheese and they're coming down one of the passes and the gearshift come up. So they were able to cram it, jam it back down in there, but the cattle truck just kind of got pushed out of the fleet at that point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1802.62,1845.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They had Bertha, I think, already, or Pearl. But Bertha and Pearl were the two next honest-to-goodness commercial box trucks with refrigeration. Then after Bertha and Pearl, semis came in. They had a cab-over, International. We named her Loretta. That was our first truck. And then two more semis after that, Belle and Rose. They were Kenworths and I loved Kenworths.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1846.17,1885.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And you learned to drive them all?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1885.09,1887.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Yes. Yes. When we first got Loretta, it was a lease truck from up in Portland, so I think it was perhaps Christine Frazer and “Jake McBlake,” Jean Santos, went to retrieve the truck, and so they had to go through a, \"Here, this is how you have to drive, this is what you have to drive and how to learn it before you go home,\" kind of thing. So they brought the tractor home and on from there. That truck had no what is called a Jake brake. It's a compression engine brake, so when you're coming down the hill, it gives you a little bit of brake without having to use your brakes. So it's that loud noise, real rumble. And our first truck didn't have that, so we learned how to ride Mt. Ashland very well without a Jake brake.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1887.59,1948.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was it like to be at Starflower?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1950.62,1952.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: For me?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1953.05,1954.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1954.55,1955.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Personally, it was a monastery. For me, it was a place I belonged.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1955.13,1963.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"On a more light level, I would call it my glory days. But there's still a great deal to learn from and a place to give from. It gave a whole new life and validity to the original path because it was the path that apparently when you're on a path, you're creating a path, and I was blessed to come into this path. It's huge.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=1971.69,2017.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So to work with other lesbians who were on their paths was powerful for you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2018.08,2023.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Yeah. On their path, sharing a united path to get the God-dang food out there, to do organic education, to burst the barriers of men's work and women's work. Everything just changed how— to become less ignorant. The food that we're currently eating since the Second World War and white bread and this and that. I don't put that down. That's not there. But there were more whole foods that are healthier foods. I look at it as, \"Well, this was Grandma and Grandpa's food, and that's what I'm eating.\" I had my share of Wonder Bread type things, don't get me wrong.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2023.34,2083.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But that's what it was out there for, and there were times where it was scary because— not that you wanted to, but you weren't a part of a union, you weren't a part of longshoremen, this was just where your load was and how we— It was scary going across a line like that. And then once you got to a dock space, they might bring your 300 cases of fifty-pound cashews to the tail end of your truck, and your truck is empty and you got to walk it another forty feet can by can. It was hard. Or if you had a hand truck, but they wouldn't put the palette on the truck so that you could maybe use a palette jack to do it with. Got treated pretty harshly, even when there weren't such strikes going on, pickets going on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2083.41,2142.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: So this is when— for clarification— when there were strikes?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2142.08,2145.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2146.21,2147.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: At the other—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2147.59,2148.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Longshoremen docks like in San Francisco.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2149.69,2151.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: In the docks? Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2151.88,2152.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Mm-hmm [affirmative], yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2152.85,2153.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: I see. And they knew that Starflower was not a union place?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2153.7,2157.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Correct. Correct.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2157.69,2159.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: But it was a collective.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2159.65,2160.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Correct. Yeah, a collective in and of itself, but not a union that was driven by this—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2161.2,2171.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Like the Teamsters.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2171.92,2173.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Correct. Correct. Correct. But I had grown up in union stuff. My father was not happy when my first job was not a union job. When we were kids and there was a strike, we were not allowed to go across the picket line to go in a store just as the family members.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2173.88,2201.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We were not allowed to go in there. So it was really kind of hard to go across a picket line, somewhere in me going, \"I know I'm not supposed to do this, but I'm in another moment in time and I have to challenge it.\" No one was killed. No one was beaten up, and that was good. It was just treated poorly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2201.61,2225.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Well, it seems like you knew more about union politics than other people at Starflower.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2225.5,2229.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: I was a child of those union politics, but I can't tell you that I knew anything more about them. I knew about the Nevada desert, so I knew different things about the lore of union activity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2232.48,2250.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And what was the feeling like at Starflower? Did things work smoothly? Were there problems?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2250.11,2258.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Yes. Yes, there were problems. I in fact was my own problem, had my own problems, as we were children. We were growing up, and I for one had a— I don't know that I am a mean person, but I'm a rageous person. If I didn't like something, I was a rageous person. I was very loud or I was bawling my eyes out because I couldn't have my way. Whatever it was, I was pecking my way out of a shell. I don't know. We worked, all of us, in some point in the day and blah, blah, blah, somebody's working out her issue. And just learning so much about number one, human behavior, compassion, understanding, how to remove yourself from whatever if that's what you—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2259.22,2337.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How did you all learn that? Was it conscious? Because I know consensus was the goal and the process. It's really difficult when people don't know how to communicate well. How did you teach yourselves and each other?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2337.2,2352.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Well, I think that to my memory that there was some education along the line. There was some reading materials brought in, there was— something active was happening. I couldn't tell you, \"Oh, specifically so-and-so came and talked to us that night about blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.\" But something of that nature happened because we had the— we went down the list. You're going to go “crit-self-crit,” that kind of thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2352.7,2392.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So the criticism-self-criticism model in circle discussions, things like that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2392.89,2399.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Right, right. So what would it be like at the end of a meeting? I don't know if we would criticize the meeting, but, \"Here's my criticism for blah, blah, blah in the meeting,\" or however it went. It wasn't so cut and dry that there wasn't some flow in it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2399.05,2421.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you enjoy it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2421.37,2424.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: I don't like meetings. That was my main attitude, I don't like meetings. And the main reason I didn't is because I always felt that there was too much yakking and not enough doing, and maybe that's just part of my wild abandon, so I don't see things the way maybe others do. But it's sure a lot of time, \"Okay, let's just go do it.\" Frustration, yeah, because I know it can be done. \"Let's just go do it.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2424.14,2462.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you feel that there was a different class? People who were different classes understood class difference in different ways from each other?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2462.55,2472.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Yeah, that was some discussions among going out and having dinner and maybe being in a meeting, that it be part of a meeting, raising consciousness that way, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2472.71,2487.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you feel that coming from a working class family that there were people who didn't understand things that you understood?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2487.42,2492.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: You know what? I think that Starflower was the first place that I ever felt anyone understood me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2494.34,2499.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2500.11,2500.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Because I could say what I had to say and no one was going to hit me, so I started learning how to trust in different things, so that molded its own perspective. Yeah, so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2501.68,2517.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And what was your social world like? Did you socialize with the people from Starflower?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2517.62,2522.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Yeah. Plus a number of us lived together. I lived in one house with Nina and Jain and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and then in another house with Breeze and Jake and blah, blah, blah, blah blah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2524.16,2537.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you describe what a typical day would be like for you, or a weekend day, or a weekday?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2537.81,2547.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Well, a typical day— and here's the time of year that I love. A typical day driving, because that was a great deal of my time, was driving. And it would be this time of year, so you would get to see what animals are happening on this farm at this time of year because they just had babies that time of year, what do they— Oh, the almonds have been done. So you get to see the seasons and the animals and the everybody, and so you go driving down the road kind of in your silence just going, \"Oh, somebody's going to go trick-or-treating over at that house tonight. How cool is that?\" And I'm at Cottage Grove. \"Oh, I get to watch fireworks all the way home,\" because it's Fourth of July.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2547.21,2601.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Or driving with people and how wonderful most everyone I ever drove with was, just fabulous. Great team partners. I really took pride in training a lot of drivers. I learned from other drivers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2601.64,2623.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Christine Frazer showed me how to not have to double clutch, just pull it right out of there, not have to clutch at all. I said, \"Oh, thank goodness,\" because that was really helpful in the city. Where am I going from here? I got—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2625.5,2641.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What your typical day was like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2641.48,2642.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Oh, yes, my typical day. But then if I was home on the weekends, I'm going to be playing softball—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2642.57,2651.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What team were you on?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2651.35,2652.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: ... play some music. Huh?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2652.53,2654.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What team were you on?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2654.03,2654.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: I was with, I want to say Peralandra Pearl Divers at one point. I had a little ball team one year. It was my initial and my ball team partner's initial. Then there was another one after that, one of the last ones. Oh, the Color Purple. That was my last ball team, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2654.59,2685.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And you played music during this time also?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2685.73,2687.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. Okay, so out of my childhood and into relationship-hood, by twenty-nine I'm with Sandi [Zimmermann] who I'm still with Sandi, and her girls were four and six years old.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2688.14,2707.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They are now in their forties and we have our first great- grandchild. She's six months now. Okay. I'm sorry, your question—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2707.83,2718.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You talked about playing ball. I was asking about whether you were playing music.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2719.05,2724.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Playing music. Yes. Yes, I did. I worked full time. Back then when Sandi and I first got together— She also had worked for Starflower and Garbagio’s and High Street Coffee. So we're both working our full-time jobs and having the kids, unless they were with dad across the street. I played music. I would come home, I would go to rehearsal right out of the truck and drive the truck to rehearsal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2724.33,2761.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Going to rehearsal and go do my job. Sometimes I had a gig at Florence, in which case that's where my route was coming down. I had a trucking partner and after my twelve-hour day I would drop off in Florence, play my gig, which was another five hours—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2766.02,2783.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you have a band?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2784.19,2784.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: I had a band called Mesa at the time. I was the lead singer and drummer. My friend Gary Battles, that was his band and I was in his band. So yeah, I worked full time, played music full time, full time meaning three to five nights a week, depending. Three to five nights a week. Any more— You can play nine to twelve or eight to eleven or twelve and it's no longer nine to two for forty bucks a piece.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2785.18,2818.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How did you meet Sandi?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2818.45,2819.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Shelley Jones introduced me to Sandi. She was on a trucking trip with me. I don't know if you've met Shelley Jones. She was a financial manager at Starflower. I'm going to say that's what she was doing, financial manager. Anyway, Shelly was on a trucking run with me and wanted me to meet this person. So at Mapleton Produce and Grain right in between Frank's Place and what was the Alpha-bit, I walk into this store and here's Sandi and that was it. That was just it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2821.71,2868.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What did she look like to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2868.6,2869.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: She looked like the Patty Osuna I'd been waiting for since first grade. That's who she looked like. Absolutely to this day. I'm telling you what. Not that she looks like Patty Osuna, but she had the right skin tone, she had the right smile, she has the right nose, she has the right— anything that just went click. It clicked. It clicked.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2869.78,2893.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Wow. How old were you then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2893.18,2894.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: That year I had just turned twenty-nine. She took me to see one of the first Tina Turner shows with her back on tour. She was at the little Creswell Golf Course or something in Cottage Grove, but it was a little stage about eight inches tall. There was 100 folding metal chairs, no fancy lights, no fancy nothing. It's like a me gig.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2895.24,2932.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You just go set up and do your thing. But that was Tina Turner and she made her thing happen, didn't she?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2933.74,2940.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Mm-hmm [affirmative].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2940.18,2940.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: She flipping did. After Ike, yeah, she kicked it good. And so that's what happened on my twenty-ninth birthday. I got to see Tina Turner with Sandi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2940.8,2953.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And did you ever go to the Riv Room?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2954.34,2958.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2960.97,2961.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Tell us about your—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2961.49,2962.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: We had a band called TranSister and that was the first gig TranSister ever played. I'll call that 1980, '81. Oh yeah, the Riv Room, man. Before they knocked out the candy store wall behind the bar— there was a candy store on the other side behind the bar, and when they knocked that wall out, now there was a dance floor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2962.35,2989.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was a place to actually dance, except for this little circle like this. It was about no bigger than this in the middle of the floor of their redesign. I mean, because it was perfect like it was when I first went in there. It had deep booths and lattice with big rubber grapes on it in the Riv Room when I first went there. So much fun. Then when they changed it up to little bistro tables and tall chairs, it just wasn't fun anymore. \"Okay, now they got a dance floor, we're cooking.\" So yeah. My friend Butch worked there. My youngest brother worked there between that and Seymour's, the restaurant next door. I bet TranSister played in there at least three times. At least three times.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=2990.44,3045.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What kind of music did you play in TranSister?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3045.67,3047.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Funk, soul. A little wash of some rock and roll. And—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3047.61,3057.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Can you describe the other band members of TranSister?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3058.04,3062.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Okay. Joan— In TranSister, Joan is her first name and lately I've been trying to remember her last name, and it'll put a dent in my forehead when I hear it, you know what I'm saying? So we'll just go with Joan [Meyer] for now and it might come. She was keyboard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3062.0,3080.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was Dana Vion, drummer, and she could second on bass.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3081.07,3091.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because that was the one thing about TranSister that a lot of people enjoyed, was that we all exchanged instruments depending on the song. And Cheryl Camelio, singer, bass player. And then TranSister had a number of guitar players. Sue Miles would sit in and play.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3092.88,3126.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You ever hear of Sue Miles?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3127.95,3129.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Hm-hmm [negative].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3132.34,3132.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Guitar player extraordinaire, and sing and play. She has so much talent in her little finger, just incredible. So she would play with us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3132.56,3143.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We had a guy named Brent Holmquist play with us from— well, Heather Perkins. How can I— Heather Perkins was guitar player, and that should be first on the list. Between Heather and Margo Girard, those were the two longer-standing guitar players in TranSister. And I think TranSister played for— oh, we had Judy Vogelsang for a moment as the guitar player as well. Joan's name still isn't there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3143.56,3182.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We played until 19— I'll say '87 off the top of my head. And in between there as well I would play some pick-up gigs for the Mesa that continued after me, because I got into TranSister. So I could do some pick-up gigs and drum for Mesa in there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3185.05,3210.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Was TranSister all women?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3213.06,3214.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Yes. Until Brent was there. But you know what? When you're there and it's happening, you're one of the whatevers. Yeah, it was good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3214.36,3226.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was a great guy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3226.43,3227.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: The band was called TranSister?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3228.34,3229.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Sister.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3229.52,3231.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Oh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3231.63,3232.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Yeah, it was T-R-A-N with a giant S, uppercase S, sister.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3232.42,3239.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Cool name.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3239.96,3241.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we had many trips from Ashland to Portland.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3241.39,3252.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We played at the coast. We were moving. It was a traveling band.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3253.46,3258.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And I think you said that you played some benefits against the anti-gay measures?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3258.42,3263.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: In the OCA back in— The OCA—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3264.34,3269.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Oregon Citizens Alliance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3269.14,3271.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Yes. I don't recall any specific gig for that. They're all just so jumbled up [laughs]. But being as aware and active as we all were, are, I know we did. There was something that we did in Portland, as a matter of fact. It was a benefit, so possibly something of that nature, but nothing specific do I remember. But yeah, if there was a call, it was on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3271.29,3314.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What were some other milestone experiences that you had in the lesbian community in Eugene?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3314.24,3320.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Okay, after Starflower, I went to work for Organically Grown for a year or so, maybe two. After that, I went long-haul trucking for a group out of Medford for another year. All of my trucking and that ended in '91. In 1991, I walked into the Buy \u0026 Sell Center and I've got to get a little part for some piece of drum that I'm repairing. Jim Newell was the man that owned Buy \u0026 Sell Center. You never met a better human being. He taught me a great deal and I was, what? I was thirty-six, thirty-seven, and he's sixty-nine years old and he's like— all of a sudden, the big mohawk with the purple and— it was a change. A visual and social change for me, because I'd been kind of out and about in the world and not seeing the younger kids coming up in the streets, and so they've got new hairdos and new jewelry happening and so on, and I wasn't sure who and what it was I'm to trust. And, \"Okay, I'll just kick back until I know.\" But I'm sitting there at work one day and I'm hearing Jim go, \"Oh yeah—,\" and it was rightly shown to me that regardless of what I saw, I'm now seeing the human.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3320.42,3438.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Because he was open.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3438.86,3440.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Because he was so open. And he loved people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3440.99,3444.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So you were working at Buy \u0026 Sell.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3445.14,3446.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Yeah. Oh yeah, because I walked in one day to get that little piece of something and he goes, \"Do you want a job?\" Because I had bought my first drum set from him when I started playing in— Oh, I had to be twenty-three years old. I walked into his shop and I said, \"I need a set of drums.\" I'll turn back a little bit here. I had bought a set of drums from him because there was a group, a women's band, and they were called Ruth Schwartz. That was made up of Debbie Glass from Starflower, Nina Robbins from Starflower, “Jake McBlake” from Starflower, and then I never really got to meet her, but there was a woman drummer, as well as Althea, who played keyboard, who was not from Starflower but she was a keyboard player.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3446.91,3509.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The drummer left town, and so there was nobody playing music on the weekends or having fun or whatever. And all these guys are getting together with their piano and guitars and da da da da da. I had to have a drum set because there just wasn't any, and so that's how I started playing drums.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3510.77,3527.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: So Buy \u0026 Sell was a way to buy and sell your own musical instruments.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3527.99,3534.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Yeah. Jim had new and used music and camera equipment. He could purchase. He would purchase new drums, like the congas that I have. He gave me a set of congas one Christmas and I've had those for over thirty years now. When I got those first drums from Jim, the first band that came out of that was— I want to say First Light. First Light was one of the groups. I don't remember all the names that this same core group of people would continue to play.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3535.04,3591.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And anything about having started drums back then when— again, you're truck driving, you're drum playing, you're just not a traditional type. But that's good and that's my path.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3597.09,3609.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I think that when I did start playing drums and there weren't really girl drummers, I just thought, \"What can I do but make more girl drummers?\" To be open, to actually play out into the open, playing a lot of straight bars. Playing a lot of straight bars as a woman drummer was really different because there were only two other women drummers. They were older than I. They played this real different kind of a drumbeat. Even though it was still set in time, their attack was completely different. I loved those women.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3611.47,3661.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They were just really something. They kind of had these kind of voice and had been drinking and partying and playing music with their husbands for life, and their husbands played the kind of music like my Uncle Sonny. It was just Western swing, Western jazz, just the heart, just the heart of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3661.42,3682.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When I was out there not going “ta tick ta tick ta tick” [mimics drum sound] and I was going “da bam! da bam! da bam! da blah!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3685.76,3691.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"de blah!” [mimics drum sound], it was a little bit different. That's when the, \"Oh, you don't play too bad for a girl,\" kind of came up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3691.14,3698.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm so glad that's over. I've so glad that's over. That doesn't happen anymore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3699.99,3706.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you get to teach younger people?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3706.43,3707.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: I did. I did teach a few younger people. I had the opportunity also— I don't know. I'm going to say less than ten years ago, I did a one-year stint at the Boys and Girls Club of America and did drumming with them. I donated a little drum set to the club, but of course, thirty kids can't play on one drum kit. So what we could do, we would play in this room and two thirds of the room was mirrors. You've never seen such people looking at themselves and just— they dug playing those sticks. And we played on— everybody could have a back of a chair, the seat of a chair, whatever you wanted to do, but we went through different exercises. One time we had an exercise where we're going to play on the floor, so everybody bends over and we're playing on the floor and we're stepping back with the right foot and we're stepping back with the left foot, but you keep playing. That was hard because they came up and said, \"I can't breathe.\" But you could hear, I could observe that their coordination was happening. One, two, three, four, and they'd step back. One, two.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3707.85,3797.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So their hands, they're working, they're working. It was just a gas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3797.4,3802.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And those were elementary school children?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3803.87,3805.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Well, they were—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3805.87,3807.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Or maybe middle school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3807.02,3807.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: —Boys and Girls Club, so yeah, middle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3806.92,3809.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Middle school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3809.98,3810.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Middle down, mm-hmm [affirmative]. Once we started a more serious regiment of students— because at the club it's so come and go, it's so random— that if you could come to class three times in a row, you were awarded your own set of drumsticks with your name on it. That was fun, and there were some very, very talented kids in there that would bring their flute, that would bring their recorder, or whatever it was. Violin, had one kid was starting violin and just saw how we could mesh what you know with what we would like to do drum wise here. Let's see if we can make it harmonic. It was good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3810.58,3863.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you ever do anything with Jill Sager?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3863.48,3865.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: I know Jill Sager, but I've never took a lesson from her, but I love her dearly. I played at her wedding. Soulicious played at her wedding.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3865.34,3878.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Cool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3878.27,3878.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Yeah. She's a wonderful being.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3878.38,3881.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And what about Soulicious? Tell us about Soulicious.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3881.96,3883.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Soulicious is ten years old. In 2006, actually, there was the first Girls Rock. Cindy at the time's name— Cindy. I'll just use Cindy's name for right now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3883.46,3902.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Irma?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3902.29,3904.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: She had been married to Steve Ariola, guitar player/musician/singer extraordinaire. But that's not the last name.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3907.05,3914.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ingram. Cindy Ingram. She started the first Girls Rock series and I was not established as Soulicious as of yet. I was Paula Vaden and Friends. But that's where Soulicious grew out from. Then I had asked Cheryl to come to the recording studio to do some backup work and to listen, because she had a fabulous ear. She said, \"Okay,\" and that night during the recording, she said, \"Why don't you call this band Soulicious?\" I'm like, \"Okay, let's just do that,\" and so there it is, it's that simple and wonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3914.82,3964.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then a few weeks later, Cheryl's like, \"I want to be in Soulicious.\" I went, \"Okay, let's be in Soulicious. Let's do this.\" And what wonderful work partner. Singer, entertainer, mom. She's just an incredible, incredible person.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3966.67,3986.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What kind of music do you play? Soul?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3986.55,3991.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: In Soulicious? Yep. Soul. And whatever it is we play, whether it be a rock tune or blues, I'm telling you what. If Soulicious is doing it, that's how it gets twisted. We twist it up in Soulicious style.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=3991.86,4006.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How many people are in Soulicious?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4006.26,4007.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Seven. When we are Soulicious Light, it's because we can do a gig maybe— If Gus, the keyboard player, is the only one that can't make the gig, we don't want to but if the rest of us want to do the gig, we can, so we'll call us Soulicious Light, just so you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4007.01,4030.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And you're still playing in that band now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4031.22,4033.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Yes. Yes. Yes. My friend Sharon Greve has been the drummer— Well, she and I have played music for the last twenty-four years together, and so she was the drummer in Soulicious until she found love across the ocean. So for right now, that's what she's doing, but we have— Claudia Paige is drumming with Soulicious and she's extraordinary. Extraordinary drummer. Heart drummer, completely soul drummer in terms of— yeah, she hears it, she knows it, she gets it instantly because she is a drummer. It's pretty awesome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4033.35,4087.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And the way TranSister was a lesbian band, Soulicious is not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4087.14,4088.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: No. It's almost half and half, if you can get half and half out of seven, you know what I mean? Yeah, there's Gerry [Rempel], Gus [Russell], and Michael as keyboard, guitar, and base. Then there's me and Joanne [Broh], our singers, Linda Kanter, she's saxophone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4091.37,4114.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Let's see, Gus Russell on on guitar, Mike [Hatgis] on bass, Claudia on drums, Linda on sax, and me and Joanne on vocals and percussion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4114.85,4135.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And what's your experience in the lesbian community now? Or how have things changed?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4135.06,4148.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Well, in the community as I live in it, I have lived in what I call my family, which has been a large extended family of friends and people who have been friends and known each other for— I can say twenty-five years, but some of these people have known each other for far more than twenty-five years. These are the friends that I— none of them are musicians. I don't play music with them, but they come to the gigs. They come to the gigs. And that's my pod, that's my lesbian community. It's good there. I have friends there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4148.86,4199.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's a resourceful extended family, a resourceful group of talented people of different skills and abilities. “Far above those beyond mortal men.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4201.92,4214.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What do you do with each other? What kind of social things are happening?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4214.39,4223.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: We party. Birthdays, Duck football, Thanksgiving. Pending— Christmas kind of gets chopped up between here and there and everybody's families, so it's not the same necessarily. We get together. But summer barbecues. Lots of summer barbecues and there's always umpteen birthdays within those summer barbecues, so it works out a lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4223.19,4257.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Some people have talked about the fact that the gay and lesbian rights people have gotten married, have families, children, and some people find that lesbians have assimilated to an extent, that they don't find each other so much anymore in the community in Eugene, but you don't find that to be true.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4257.4,4279.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Say it again?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4279.14,4279.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: That the assimilation of lesbians has made it more difficult to be in community together or they don't feel the need for it, become more mainstream.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4279.79,4288.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yeah, mainstream.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4288.39,4288.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: There's some feeling of loss around the political gains, with also some loss. Do you experience that at all?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4288.51,4295.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Here's what I experience where that gain/loss may play, and that is being in my own little hub for so long, it's like a warehouse. It breaths. It comes and it goes and it changes. Some changes you're not down with and some changes you don't even know happened.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4295.64,4319.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In my hub of people, there's the age differences. Where Sandi and I are— let's say we're in our sixties, and a lot of our friends are in their forties and they're brand new families. So the change happens, the distance happens, the whatever happens because that priority over there changed and they needed that to happen. We'll still see the kids at the this and the that, but they have a life. You can see people go off onto their lives and what a blessing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4324.16,4361.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How did you make connections with women in their forties?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4361.39,4364.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Because they came with the other people. Because of parties that happened in the summertime. Sandi and I had separated for a brief moment, so I was living at a place one summer when I turned forty over on Morningside out in the Cal Young district, and there was a church on this side and a field. It was just a big place, so we had big barbecues in the front yard and we'd get out there and play music and the police would show up and we'd invite them to barbecue. It wasn't happening, but you know, \"Quiet down.\" I met a lot of these people back then. And little did I know— because I don't see age, apparently, because little did I know, that person wasn't even twenty-one when I met them. And so when I hear about it, I'm like, \"Really? You're only forty-eight?\" I'm like, \"You were illegal at that party,\" or whatever. But yeah, we're all there. There's some of them recently that have gotten into motorcycles, and so that's part of what everyone— The group that wants to go motorcycle go motorcycle, so it keeps the conversation interesting at dinner, at coffee.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4364.88,4450.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Are you still meeting people in their twenties and thirties?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4450.0,4452.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: As long as I have my grandkids around, I certainly am, yeah. I am not so on the street as I used to be, because there's been a change up for me, too. Unless it's gigging, I'm not meeting a whole lot of people, but I like to meet the people at my gigs. And yeah, there are some that are younger or same age, whatever. There's never not a younger age around, that's for sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4454.83,4487.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And do you have any thoughts or feelings about the way the younger people understand sexuality or gender in a different way than you did?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4487.76,4496.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: This is what Sandi and I say in our family, and that is our children didn't grow up with color issues. Our grandchildren have grown up without gender issues. It's a good thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4496.99,4512.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you mean by that that they have more opportunity to express their felt gender than, say, you did?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4512.53,4521.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Oh, them themselves. Them themselves, no. What I thought you meant is how do they feel about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4521.76,4529.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Oh, I see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4529.65,4530.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Yeah, my kids, grandkids, they're not seeking anything in particular. They're maybe not so great in a little toxic relationship going on here or there, but they're taking care of it, as we all have to learn, as I once was a toxic person myself. But yeah, there's not any question—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4533.65,4564.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: I think when you came out from your bathroom and you combed your hair back like your brothers, that was not allowed and you see kids now who are transitioning or understand themselves as non- binary. Do you think you would have been like that if that language or understanding had been available to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4564.9,4585.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Yeah. Because I wanted to be, obviously, in the first place. So yeah, had it been a little bit more breathe-easy kind of time, I could have handled something. It wouldn't have been too bad. But it wouldn't have give them a reason to keep me in a dress, okay? I just wasn't going to go there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4585.43,4611.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you have thoughts about aging in Eugene, what it might be like for you, things that you're concerned about or excited about in aging?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4611.71,4624.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: My idea the other day about aging was I'm done adulting. I've been an adult, I'm a practiced adult, I'm a well-versed adult, it's second nature. I can let go of that, and now I am an elder in toddlers'— I don't know anything about being this age, because things at this age— not that I'm old, but the age thing is different in terms of my body is doing different things kind of constantly, and so I'm like, \"Okay.\" I'm just tuning up here, so that's why I feel like a toddler, because I'm tuning up something I— It's like starting over, and that's not a bad thing, it's just a new set of skills I'm building.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4625.54,4690.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Nothing to be afraid of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4695.0,4695.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: It's interesting to hear it less as a focus on loss of what your body can do and more as something you're learning.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4695.64,4701.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Right. Well, I have been a practitioner of body ergonomics forever, and so for whatever I'm dealing with, I'm not broken. I was just talking to Sandi this morning. I said, \"I'm so glad I got here,\" because when I had my first knee replacement at fifty-five, I swore that I was not going to allow myself to be so broken that I look like some of these war vets who can't stand up straight and they're not walking and they're not present with their partner, wife, whomever at the dinner table. They're just sitting there doing their thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4701.63,4750.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They're not communicating. And I said, \"I don't want that.\" I don't want that. I don't want to be so broken that I can't function with my grandchildren, and I want to be able to function.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4751.76,4763.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So when I got my knee replacement, I could go free rock climbing with the grandkids. This is good, this is good. I'm going along, going along, and sixty-three hit and things started changing up for me physically. And it's like, \"Okay, just remember that path. Just remember that path. You've been on it. You've been on it diligently,\" which can make you brittle, but I've been on it diligently and I am not broken, I'm changing. What changed was polymyositis. The doctor told me it was polymyositis. I had always been very strong and in control of that strong and I felt that I did great feats with my strength, but not to be stupid to hurt myself in the process because there's more to it than just— “arrgh!” There's just everything is involved, and so I didn't do that to myself. But now that I lost this muscle mass where I couldn't pick up seven pounds and put it in my truck, it was like, \"Oh, this isn't good. But it's not bad either.\" I'm working on the healing of that myositis, because it's myositis Western wise, but it's a whole ‘nother issue from the spirit wise, from the spiritual side of things, how I see things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4763.69,4880.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Are you in a particular spiritual practice?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4882.21,4884.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: My path. That's always been my practice. As hopeless as I ever got— I don't know if you ever saw this movie, NeverEnding Story, and there was this kid, his name was Atreyu, and he and his horse were going through this Swamp of Sadness. And when you're in the Swamp of Sadness, you cannot give up. He lost his horse in the Swamp of Sadness, but you know what? You have to stay on that path because that path is hope, and you have got to have some hope.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4886.82,4920.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you always know where the path is?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4920.06,4922.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Yes. Sometimes I don't know why I'm there. It's not like, \"How did I get here?\" because I'm not looking at how I got here, because I do enough of that memory-wise. I live by memory a lot. My path is just that until you're dead, you're on your path and this is just a way to get there, it's a blessing because it gives me some focus. I'm not wild abandon and so crazy I can't relate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4923.81,4961.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you feel when you're off the path?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4962.21,4963.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Sometimes I can feel when there's things that's been put in my path, and it's like, \"Well, that's your rock. I have to go around it. I don't have time for your rock in my path.\" No. I have just practiced. The word “path” obviously has been in my life all my life, so even though I can get sad and even though I can go— “Yeah, but” because I've been doing this for life, and I'm just going to keep going until I can't and that'll be the path. Whatever it was will be the path that I had, but I went there knowingly. So I made a lot of choices.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=4963.76,5019.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What are your and Sandi's future look like? Did you get married?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=5019.65,5025.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=5025.92,5026.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was that like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=5026.45,5027.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Well, we had a ceremony in our backyard and it was a beautiful day, and I'll tell you part of it why, a piece of it. When Sandi and I had our first commitment ceremony umpteen years ago out in this beautiful country setting, our friend Junior married us. That was just a commitment ceremony. It didn't have anything to do with whether it was legal or not legal. It was just ours. Well, our daughters didn't want to come. We had had a pretty hard time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=5027.13,5072.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Once the children got to teenage age, our relationships and stuff fell apart. There was difficulty in the “mom” and the “not-mom” issues. We did not discuss Paula and Mom. We chose to go through some hard time with the kids. At first, the kids were just absolutely lovely. Amy and I had a beautiful bond. She was my, \"We're going to go have breakfast after the gig,\" kind of kid and it was wonderful. But the teenage times came and they became very angry with us. We weren't allowed to talk about us. The kids' friends knew about us, but they didn't want to relate. So up until this— what was it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=5073.29,5136.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Twenty-fifteen?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=5137.0,5138.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Sandi and I actually got married-married with a certificate— one time we did, but they sent our money back. We have the certificate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=5138.91,5148.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The difference with this wedding was both of the girls came. Heidi, the oldest, she said, \"Mom, we can't not come to this wedding.\" And so Amy supposedly wasn't going to be able to make it, but Heidi set it up and Amy surprised us and Amy came. So, this is perfect.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=5148.87,5175.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How did they change their mind or how did they grow between the last wedding and this one?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=5175.85,5184.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Personally, I go consistency. We're all still here, we're all doing the same thing, your mother is okay. They can see that their mom is okay. Mom's still coming and doing this, so everything's okay. But several years ago— five years ago— two of our oldest grandsons came to visit for six or seven weeks. Both Sandi and I, being from the era that— we never listened to Beatles and Jimi Hendrix so much in seven weeks that we did with them boys, and we had a blast. We had a ball. They come to understand and know who Sandi and I are. Because they said, \"Paula, who are you? You have been with us our entire lives,\" because I was there when they were born and so on and so. Okay. Me and Mom spilled the beans, so to speak. We just went ahead and did what we didn't think we should and we did it anyway, so the boys went home and told all their cousins and all the cousins and the boys are going, \"What the hell is wrong with you people?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=5188.14,5268.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You mean the daughters?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=5268.01,5270.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Yeah, their parents.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=5270.89,5271.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Yeah, the daughters.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=5271.65,5273.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: \"We have no problem with it.\" Sandi went to visit shortly thereafter and the kids bring out that Macklemore tune.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=5273.08,5280.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Same Love?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=5282.5,5282.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Same Love. And, \"Grandma, this is what we're listening—\" So the parents have mellowed out. Yeah. The grandkids are great. Yeah, it's good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=5282.9,5297.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: That's great. Well, if you were to imagine a young person watching this video and hearing about your life, is there any particular advice you would give or some wisdom that you would pass on to younger people?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=5297.85,5309.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Believe your gut. Believe your gut. If what your gut is telling you at the moment says red, but you recognize that lesson and it comes in blue and you recognize that, it's what the lesson is. You don't pick the blue. That blue has nothing to do with it. Go for it. You know it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=5311.05,5335.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Trust your gut. Stay on that path. You don't have to pick one. You can come to know one. It's what you choose to pin on you as your character. \"This is what I want in my character. Yeah, I didn't like that so much, so—\" But you'll experience things. I also knew at a very young age, whenever I spoke something that was somewhat negative about another being, another group, another this or that, I ended up experiencing that which I was just bitching about. And so I learned right then and there that that was consistent, so I went, \"Oh okay, well, don't be yakking about other people's plight and thinking you're all cool and shit.\" Just do your thing. Stay on your path.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=5335.76,5390.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/299","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Is there anything that we haven't asked you about that you would really like to be recorded about your history?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=5390.06,5399.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/300","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Probably not, because I could probably sit and talk about myself all day long. I'm just kind of like— no. I don't think so. I think this has been real thorough and for me, it's been really important and it's most healing because it comes at a really intense time of so many new beginnings for me. I appreciate the time. Yeah. It's given a lot, and I appreciate it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=5407.77,5443.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Well thank you, you've given a lot in this as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=5443.75,5445.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=5445.92,5446.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/303","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Enjoy your path.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=5446.28,5447.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/304","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Thank you so much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=5448.18,5449.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vaden: Indeed. Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=5449.5,5450.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[END OF INTERVIEW]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388#t=5450.08,5450.18"}]},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56189/file/130388/transcript/92619/annotation/307","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/619/original/836_Coll520_do059_aligned.vtt?1776852379","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/619/original/836_Coll520_do059_aligned.vtt?1776852379"}]}]}]}