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And today is Monday, May 22, 2023. I am interviewing Steve Holland about his involvement in the anti-war movement in Eugene between roughly '67 and '72. And I'm interviewing Steve in Portland, Oregon, where he sells books, and we are in his warehouse. Steve, tell me a little bit about your background and where you grew up, your family, and so forth. \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=4.0,62.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, well, I'm Irish Catholic, the oldest of eight children and grew up here in Portland, Oregon. And like I mentioned before—do you want me to go into education— \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=62.0,78.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=78.0,79.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. Just that I went to Catholic high school, Catholic grade school, and was thoroughly indoctrinated by the Catholic Church and decided to become a priest in high school. So I went off to Mount Angels Seminary. They don't have a high school anymore. They gave up trying to recruit priests from pre-adolescent groups. But at the time they did. And it was a great education. I enjoyed it a lot and ended up connected to a professor there at the seminary who had associations at the University of Oregon who made it—and he made it very easy for a group of us to move from the seminary to the University of Oregon in the fall of 1967. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=79.0,125.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. But you went to seminary for a year?\n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=125.0,129.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Four years. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=129.0,130.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, for four years. \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=130.0,131.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Four years of high school. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=131.0,133.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, I see. \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=133.0,133.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Not always—I wasn't a Catholic by the time I left the seminary, but I was still—I enjoyed the education. And it was a wonderful kind of utopian environment to be in. But you know, reality intervened, so the Catholic Church didn't hold up. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=133.0,152.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And your parents, what do they do? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=152.0,158.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They're both children of the [Great] Depression and World War II. And my dad was too young to be recruited into the war but trained to be a fighter pilot. But, luckily, he was at the end of the war, so they didn't need him. And then by the time Korea happened, he had several children and that let him avoid that. But he trained as an accountant on the GI Bill [1947] and realized he didn't want to be an accountant. So he became self-employed, and we never had a lot of money. But I had a very good upbringing—I'm very grateful. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=158.0,205.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But would you say he was working class or how would you characterize his class and profession? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=205.0,212.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, aspiring middle class. By the time he left the planet he'd done pretty well for himself. I mean, as far—he worked for himself most of his life. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=212.0,227.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. And what about your mom? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=227.0,231.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My mom and dad both were raised Catholic. My mom, they were polar opposites in a way. (laughter) But they raised us very well, the eight of us. And she was an inspiration to me more than anyone I know, really. Toward the end, we got pretty close, toward the end of her life. She taught me a lot. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=231.0,264.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But you didn't rebel against Catholicism. If anything, your experience in high school/seminary was a really good one for you. \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=264.0,279.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was a good one. Although I realized, you know, the Catholic Church was built on a, you know, a tissue of—I mean, it made no sense at a certain point. Actually, my freshman year in high school, they had us read the Bible cover to cover. And that was the mistake, because I did read the whole Bible and realized by the end of reading the whole Bible, that there's no way I'm a Catholic. I mean, no way. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=279.0,307.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so it's through your high school/seminary that you get to the University of Oregon. And you come when? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=307.0,320.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the fall of 1967. Although by the time I got to the university, I was already very much opposed to the war. I remember as a sophomore in high school giving a speech advocating our intervention in the war. And then by the middle of that sophomore year, I'd come across the Geneva Conventions and found out that it was the United States that canceled the elections in 1956 because Ho Chi Minh would have won those elections. And that that kind of hit me like a ton of bricks. And I think that helped bring down the Catholic Church, along with the so-called democracy that we live in. It made it pretty obvious that we were being deceived. And I, yeah, so my anti-war period started there in the seminary. And there was a lot of that going on in the Catholic Church at a lower, you know, Cardinal Spellman was supporting in the war. But a lot of people in the in the rank and file, Sister Corita [Corita Kent]—I remember Sister Corita posters in high school and remember learning something from those posters. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=320.0,395.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And when you were in high school, were you introduced to things like Dorothy Day and the Catholic Worker? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=395.0,404.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, yeah, very much. And her penny paper, that was an inspiration. I mean, it was. And there was another little magazine called Common Wheel. It was Catholic related, but it was very progressive. And I learned a lot from them. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=404.0,421.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And what about Vatican II? Was that something that was talked about in your in your high school? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=421.0,432.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, it was a big deal in the high school. And it when was the transition from Latin to the vernacular. That was a big deal. A lot of it went over my head. They made us study Latin anyway. It was a very tumultuous time in the Catholic Church, and I don't think they really followed through on much of that. But it was a, it was a good start. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=432.0,460.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. And it continues. But would you say then, even after during high school, you came to see the war as morally wrong, as war crimes were being committed in the name of Americans? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=460.0,482.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, it seemed that way. I mean, I remember being so frustrated reading—The Gallup would do a weekly poll and the numbers were just atrocious. Every week. It was, I think they were weekly anyway, the numbers were single digit in opposition to the war, and that went on and on year after year. And it just drove me crazy. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=482.0,509.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mm-hmm. And so you get to the University of Oregon and what was your major? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=509.0,522.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"—Well, I don't know what I started in. I studied a lot of history. I think I wanted to be a history major. But they had a language requirement, so I ended up being a political science major. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=522.0,537.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so talk a little bit about, how your views on the war evolved as you become a student. \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=537.0,549.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I think it went from my views changed in that, I was a pacifist when I got to the university. And I think reality kind of beat that utopian notion out of me over time. Because I came to realize that the forces at work that were promoting the war didn't really much care that we oppose them. And if all we did was talk about it, that—the war would continue. So I realize that we have to, there was a slogan back in the day, before it was co-opted recently by the right wing, and the slogan was \"Bring the War Home.\" And that—actually became my philosophy toward the war at that point that we were committing an atrocious crime. And we had to change the parameters of that crime. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=549.0,609.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And would you say that very early on, after you came to the university, you saw this as more than the wrong war at the wrong time, but you began to frame it as an imperialist war, a colonialist war? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=609.0,631.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I remember reading a little book by Eduardo Galeano called Guatemala Occupied Country. That was before he became more famous later on. But this little book, it made me realize that what we were doing in Vietnam, we'd done in Guatemala. And then—I got to thinking this, being opposed to the war isn't enough. You have to be opposed to the system that created the war. And—that's when I became an anti-imperialist. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=631.0,667.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So you really saw the war as systemic and evolving out of a capitalist/imperialist system that economically was attempting to dominate and exploit, particularly so-called third world countries? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=667.0,685.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, it seemed like that was, and a lot of the analysis at the time, went toward that direction. I mean, people were talking about, you know, they discovered oil in the South China Sea. And a lot of people realized, well, maybe that's why we're in Vietnam. It obviously has nothing to do with defending democracy or justice or goodness in life. So what are we doing? \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=685.0,712.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And you also rejected the rationale of the dominos [domino theory] and the inevitable spread of communism?\n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=712.0,722.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, because it became pretty obvious that Ho Chi Minh was a nationalist, primarily that he was a communist because he got support from Russia and China, but he was mostly a nationalist and that he wanted to defend his people. Which seemed to me a very noble effort on his part. And—it yeah, it was—very much part of the system. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=722.0,754.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so at what point do you remember first kind of getting involved in the anti-war movement? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=754.0,767.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Uh, probably just the demonstration. I don't remember how it started—it seemed like there was a lot of dialogue in the university community. So, in high school, I didn't really participate in any demonstrations. But by the time of the university—I think, well, it was the spring of '68, it was when everything kind of blew open. I was first attracted to Eugene McCarthy because he seemed like a sensible sort of fellow and he was opposed to the war. But it became more obvious over time that wasn't going to do it, that you couldn't elect an end to the war, that we had to go to the roots of the problem. And Eugene McCarthy was not set up to do that. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=767.0,823.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But you did support the McCarthy campaign as—because he certainly was helping to educate the public about the character of the war? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=823.0,835.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, yeah. In fact—at the time, I think I thought if you could become president, you could end the war. But—over time it became pretty obvious. Maybe after he was, after they nominated Hubert Humphrey, 1968 that— \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=835.0,851.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the summer of '68. \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=851.0,852.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The summer of 68. That was the end of that. I mean, there was no more, you couldn't rely on the Democratic Party to do much except promote the war. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=852.0,864.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that April of '68, SDS [Students for a Democratic Society] organized Three Days of Concern, lectures and dialog about the war. Eugene McCarthy spoke on campus a number of times. Robert Kennedy on May 20 actually spoke on campus. And so you recall that ferment and what was relatively continuous, if not intense, dialog about the war. Did you actually become a member of SDS in the spring of '68? 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I remember Carl Oglesby being coming to the university and speaking. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=909.0,915.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Who was the national president of the SDS? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=915.0,918.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. And I don't know when that was, but I remember being very impressed by him. And they didn't hand out cards, membership cards. But I think I considered myself a member of SDS from about that period. Yeah. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=918.0,935.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. Because we could say that it was a loose grouping and it wasn't an organized cadre type organization with rules and, you know, forms of discipline and accountability. It was a rather loose grouping. But you were ever a part then of the draft resistance in '68?\n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=935.0,963.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, not really. I mean, I supported it and was connected to a fellow who was an Episcopal minister, training to be an Episcopal minister, and learned a lot about that from him. But I didn't really work at it much. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=963.0,978.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. Because certainly there was a lot of—any number of religious folk were very much embedded in that draft resistance movement. And David Harris, whose partner was Joan Baez, he was a leader of the draft resistance. And he comes to the campus in the fall of 1968. At what point do you remember becoming aware that these, any number of actions that were occurring at the local level, were kind of related to a national anti-war movement? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=978.0,1029.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I think that it was in the air. I mean, you could feel the connection just by looking in somebody's eyes. You knew they were an ally. And that, I think that connection, was universal by that point. I mean, Paris was erupting in 1968. There were things going on in—Czechoslovakia was erupting in 1968. It was an amazing period of history. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=1029.0,1057.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so particularly that spring of '68, you felt very connected to what really was a global movement of young people against the war, but also much more broadly, the structure of capitalism in countries like France. Workers and students nearly overthrow the government there [1968]. \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=1057.0,1082.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, I felt a real affinity for that. I don't think I was a Marxist, yet, but I was on the way to becoming a Marxist at that point. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=1082.0,1090.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. And tell me just a little bit more about that. Did that grow out of classes you were taking, or did it come from dialog within SDS, so forth and so on? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=1090.0,1107.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A lot of it came from classes. There was a fellow teacher in the political science department, named [George]  Zaninovich who was not a Marxist. (laughs) But he taught me a lot about Marxism. And I just remember being inspired by the notion that—I think I was also predisposed because the Catholic Church gives you this sort of universal worldview, and then that worldview had crumbled. 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Do you remember that? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=1147.0,1207.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I remember Kip morgan and I remember David Gwyther. And they would attack draft offices. I don't think that's an (laughs) exaggeration to say that they would attack draft offices. It also turned out that The Looking Glass Bookstore in Portland is a result of Kip Morgan's father trying to make him look more presentable to the judge and giving him a job, which was to own The Looking Glass Bookstore. And Kip Morgan's dad must have had money because he also set up David Gwyther with the Koobdooga Bookstore. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=1207.0,1247.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, in Eugene. \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=1247.0,1249.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In Eugene, and I worked at that Koobdooga Bookstore, but I didn't have much of a connection to the anti-draft movement, per se. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=1249.0,1258.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. Well, '69, the big events are going to be the Moratorium in the fall. And the idea that one day a month there'll be no business as usual, that people will not go to school, not go to work. And there will be big demonstrations one day a month in, I think, Washington, D.C. and San Francisco. But they would also happen on a local level. 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And if you heard Wayne Morse speak, maybe it was the November demonstration in San Francisco that you went to. \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=1320.0,1335.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay, yeah, because I did. Because I remember David Hilliard was also on the platform and there was a bit of a debate. And Wayne Morse, the principal person that he was, was debating, trying to tell people to cool it, to be less aggressive. I think he very much opposed the war, but he thought we'd gone a little too far. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=1335.0,1361.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. David Hilliard from the Black Panther Party? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=1361.0,1364.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=1364.0,1366.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, was in Eugene at that time? Or was that in San Francisco? (both speakers speaking)\n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=1366.0,1370.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was in San Franciso—and I remember him threatening the life of the president. And I remember thinking, Oh, that's not good. (laughs) They could arrest you for that. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=1370.0,1380.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And did you go to San Francisco with other SDS members? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=1380.0,1385.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Not SDS. I remember taking a bus down from Eugene. My most vivid memory of that was just being in the march. And San Francisco's topography is such that, there are a lot of hills. And I got to the top of one hill and I looked down, down the hill and then up the next hill, and it was nothing but people from, I mean, it was most people I've ever seen in my life. We were all on our way to Golden Gate Park for the rally. But yeah, that was impressive. Also, the bus I was in that night was rammed by someone who might have been trying to push us off a cliff. (laughs) But luckily the person in charge of the bus prevented that from happening. Or who knows what that might have been. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=1385.0,1441.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. And you know, now, of course, there's a lot of evidence that Nixon and Kissinger and company, they had something called Operation Duck Hook in the fall of '69. And they were literally planning rapid escalations of the war. They were withdrawing troops, so-called Vietnamization, but they were planning a potential invasion of North Vietnam, systemic bombing of the dikes in North Vietnam, saturation bombing of Hanoi and Haiphong and even the use of nuclear weapons. The so-called good documentary \"Mad Men and the Movement,\" about literally Kissinger through back channels, trying to convince the North Vietnamese that Nixon was crazy and had his finger on the button. And the evidence suggests that they were very concerned about the antiwar movement, and—certainly their options were going to be limited. But did you know that at the time, or did you think we were having an impact with these massive demonstrations during the Moratorium? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=1441.0,1523.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, I did think we had an impact. I didn't realize that the government was doing as much as they were doing to oppose the opposition to the war. I was pretty naive about that. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=1523.0,1538.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Uh-huh. And important—SDS was involved in various forms of political education. Tell me a little bit about your role. An important piece of that was the development of an alternative university or what was also called the Experimental College. Why don't you just talk about that a little bit? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=1538.0,1573.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I didn't have an organizational position, really, but I did teach one of the classes in the summer, would have been the summer of 1970. Just because it was summer, we would meet outside, and it was a very small class. But the university actually gave us credit for that class. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=1573.0,1593.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Take a step back and talk about the concept of the alternative university and what was its purpose and what it was intended to do. \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=1593.0,1608.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, it was just to open the parameters of the debate. Because the university was, you know, was full of professors who had their little bailiwick and their expertise. But they lived in a world that didn't always connect with reality, unfortunately. And that became more obvious the more you talked to them, because—they didn't get a connection between a war in Vietnam and the fact that we were training second lieutenants right there at the university to prosecute that war. And—there was a lot of that going on, a lot of kind of academic—it was called objectivity. You had to respect science somehow but that precluded the right to have an opinion about the war, which made no sense. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=1608.0,1666.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But then you saw the alternative university as a way in which students could broaden the curriculum and begin to talk about systemic issues like imperialism or talking about the structural roots of racism, et cetera—it was really to go beyond the existing curriculum, which was in many ways very narrow? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=1666.0,1700.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, and it seemed to have that effect. At least to the limited extent that it was applied. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=1700.0,1708.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And what do you remember about the course that you taught? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=1708.0,1713.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I remember it was pretty loose. And I would just, you know, try to summarize the week's news at the beginning of the course and try to elicit conversation, which was a little frustrating. And I remember realizing I didn't really want to—I'd thought I'd wanted to be a teacher. But then after trying to teach that class, it became pretty obvious that wasn't going to work. (laughs) That I didn't have the patience, or I expected way more from the students in that class and then the papers that they presented me. It was an interesting course. I mean, I enjoyed the period, but I was also disappointed. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=1713.0,1764.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But for some of the students, was this their first kind of introduction to the concept of imperialism? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=1764.0,1771.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that's probably a lot of the problem. I just expected that they would get on it more. But it was a good class. We sat outside mostly under the trees in the summer. So, that part was enjoyable.\n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=1771.0,1789.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then in 1970, there's going to be—SDS is going to be organizing to get ROTC [Reserve Officers' Training Corps] off campus. And could you talk a little bit about the rationale behind that? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=1789.0,1812.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, it was painfully obvious that we were training second lieutenants at the university to—and they were, in pretty short order after they graduated, they were sent to Vietnam. And a lot of them were being fragged [attempted assassination] by their own troops in Vietnam, because the people under those second lieutenants were fed up and were not taking orders. And we were sending people into a fate that didn't seem like the university should be participating in such training. And that just seemed obvious. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=1812.0,1856.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then on April 15th, the faculty narrowly, in 1970, April 15, the faculty narrowly voted to retain ROTC. And what do you remember about that particular meeting, faculty meeting? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=1856.0,1878.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Of, well, I remember it was in that main lecture hall auditorium. And I remember the debate going on between the faculty. And then we students were allowed a presentation, and the intention was to play the Bertrand, or to show, the Bertrand Russell War Crimes Tribunal film, which was a, you know, a short documentary, but a very, very much to the point documentary about what was going on in Vietnam. Because people—I didn't have a television at the time, so I don't know how much they were getting, but I don't think they were understanding what was happening in the war because the media was doing the same thing then that they do today. They were supporting the people who run the government and people weren't getting the information. The Bertrand Russell War Crimes Tribunal movie was a very lucid lesson in the reality of the war. And we students just wanted the faculty to see that twenty-minute movie, I'm guessing about twenty minutes. But it ended up that instead the faculty debated whether or not to allow us to see the movie. And after a very long debate, that seemed to go on and on and on, they decided not to see the movie.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=1878.0,1967.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So my position was to introduce the movie that wasn't allowed to be shown. So they let me give a short presentation at that point. And when I was pretty frustrated by the whole process because I thought the Bertrand Russell War Crimes Tribunal movie was germane to the debate. But that turned out not to be accepted by the professors who thought that this is, this is not being objective or scientific, this is being political. I could never understand that distinction. But they wouldn't see the movie. I remember people at the end of the debate in the faculty, when the faculty had voted to keep ROTC on campus, people decided, well, that's your opinion. And most of them left for the ROTC building to express their own opinions about what should happen. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=1967.0,2030.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But let's talk about that in a minute. My memory is that SDS did a lot of organizing to bring students to that meeting, and that organizing also included political education. Sometimes standing up in mainly social science classes and trying to generate a discussion about the various ways in which the university was complicit with the war effort. And then, of course, tabling at the EMU [Erb Memorial Union], that this wasn't kind of a protest that came out of nowhere. But it's something that SDS was very much attempting to organize around to influence the faculty and to educate students. Does that square with your memory? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=2030.0,2087.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, because—I remember the meetings we would have, would be to, to try to generate material for leaflets that then—it was very enjoyable to take a big stack of leaflets out to the lawn in front of the EMU and people were grabbing at them. I mean it wasn't a matter of passing them out. It was trying to be civil in how they were distributed because people were so anxious to get that information. And that went on every day. And I think it bore fruit. I also was—I don't remember the specifics of the time, but I know that we could go to the EMU and with a bullhorn and maybe twenty people and you could set off with that bullhorn and your twenty people and just march off toward the dorms and next thing you know you had two thousand people. And it was just an exciting time. I mean, people were ready. People were ready to express their views. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=2087.0,2161.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And two other means of communication in terms of political education, one was the Emerald [The Daily Emerald], the student newspaper. And oftentimes SDS members wrote for that. Then there was the so-called underground newspaper, The Augur [The Eugene Augur]. And you actually wrote a number of articles on the question of American imperialism for The Augur. Do you remember that part of the communication between and among students and young people? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=2161.0,2197.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, yeah. I remember a lot of people coming to the realization— that the war itself wasn't the issue. That there was a symptom of a much bigger issue and the issue is, you know, who who's going to run the planet. And there were certain people in the United States who'd pretty well decided after World War II that it was the United States that was going to run the planet. And those people are still in power. It took a while to break through some of the barriers that prevented that realization. But I think it was becoming more and more widely accepted that there was a pattern here that had been going on for a very long time, and not just in the United States. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=2197.0,2256.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And let's go back to after that faculty meeting. A group of three or four hundred students go over to ROTC. There's a significant amount of rocks and bottles thrown and physical damage to the structure. What did you make of that? Were you part of that? How did you understand why that happened and so forth? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=2256.0,2288.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, it made sense to me. I'd always—I could never bring myself to throw a rock through a window for some reason. And—I didn't go inside the building, but I was happy to see plenty of people inside the building doing all kinds of good work to that building. But I didn't go in the building myself. I've always been kind of a chicken. I think I could see that there might be some arrests coming from this and I didn't want to be arrested. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=2288.0,2318.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You kind of understood that the damage to property grew out of frustration students were experiencing and what perhaps they saw as the limits of marches and even civil disobedience? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=2318.0,2341.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, that it was—that we had to raise the stakes. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=2341.0,2351.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then about a week later, after twelve students were indicted for inciting a riot on April 15, there was going to be a big march to the jail by hundreds of students. And protesting the unreasonable bail for those that had been arrested. And then about a week later, three-hundred students and some community members are going to take over Johnson Hall in a sit-in and demand the removal of military recruiters and the police from campus, demanding university should cut off all ties with ROTC, and demanding amnesty for the students that had been arrested for inciting the riot. After that, the National Guard comes on campus. Talk about what you were doing, how you were experiencing that. \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=2351.0,2427.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I remember the indictments of those people for some kind of conspiracy charge. That scared me because—they were talking about twenty-year sentences. And I remember people going underground because they didn't want to be arrested. I also have one memory of Paul Gratz [SDS leader], in particular, because he was one of the indicted people and running into him a few weeks later, maybe even more than that, but not even recognizing him because he shaved his beard (laughs) to avoid arrest. And he was wearing a varsity university jacket. And I didn't even recognize Paul. That got my attention, those indictments. They really scared me. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=2427.0,2479.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And what about the National Guard on campus? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=2479.0,2484.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, it was more—the police were a lot more vigorous in their assaults. And the National Guard troops would shoot tear gas, but they didn't really engage in martial— \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=2484.0,2499.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I think the sheriffs have developed a tactical squad. And as I recall, this was maybe one of their first deployments. \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=2499.0,2512.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, they were well-trained in dishing out course of force. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=2512.0,2520.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then in late April, before the invasion of Cambodia, students are going to put up barricades on 13th Street. And what do you remember about that? The purpose and so forth. \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=2520.0,2538.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, it was a period when no one really knew what to do, but they had a lot of energy. So one use of that energy was that night I remember the people, you know, dragging branches from trees and anything they could find, it was, you know, not, I mean a dead branch from a tree or a broken branch. But—we gathered just about as much detritus as you could find and just piled in the street. And I think not from a specific strategy so much as just a general level of frustration and a lot of energy going to no good purpose. So that was an outlet for that energy. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=2538.0,2587.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that also would overlap with literally the—there is a public safety problem of these logging trucks driving through campus. And I think that this had really been a contentious issue that students had been concerned about for many, many years and hence taking action did produce some fairly quick results. \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=2587.0,2620.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then they did close the street. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=2620.0,2622.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They did. It remains closed today. Yeah, but then in late April, the Nixon administration is going—they had already begun a secret bombing of Cambodia. They are going to invade Cambodia in late-April. And then in early-May, four students are going to be gunned down at Kent State by the National Guard. And literally all hell breaks loose, and hundreds of campuses are going to shut down. And that this really has the sensibility of an uprising. Tell me about your memories of that. \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=2622.0,2674.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, there was—that energy was very, very strong in that spring. It was electric. I mean, you could feel it. People were at the end of their rope. I think as far as dealing with the government—that we were defining the government as the enemy at that point. And that's a hard line to cross. But once you cross it, it's hard to go back. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=2674.0,2713.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I think a slogan that would be increasingly used was either, \"The government will stop the war, or we will stop the government.\" \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=2713.0,2725.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. And \"Bring the war home.\" \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=2725.0,2728.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And talk about that slogan. \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=2728.0,2730.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That slogan. Yeah, well, it was very much, I mean—it was Lin Piao [Chinese military commander] who wrote something called \"One, Two, Three, Many Vietnams\" as a way to attack the empire. And that sounded like a good idea to me. And I thought one of the places that could happen was right here in the source of the problem. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=2730.0,2757.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You said you never picked up a rock. And there was, you know, this kind of militancy that was evolving within the student movement. But how did you feel about that? Did you kind of go along for the ride? What was your take on that? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=2757.0,2782.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, no, I saw it as a struggle of power. That coercive power will only honor other coercive power. And there are a lot of people out learning how to shoot guns at the time. And I have to admit, I did learn how to shoot a gun. Not that I—I don't think I could have ever shot anyone, but people got to the point that they knew we were up against something, and we had to defend ourselves. There were a lot of people, Chuck Armsbury. I don't know—\n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=2782.0,2821.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was a soc graduate student who became leader of something called the Young Patriot Party. \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=2821.0,2827.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, he was a little further to the left than I was. But he—I remember, they were going after people because they had sawed off shotgun and there's a use for sawed off shotguns in self-defense. And they got him on that I think. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=2827.0,2843.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, but that, I think, was the idea of potentially using arms in self-defense certainly had been popularized by the Black Panther Party. So you were active in SDS, but then there was a far more structured organization called the Revolutionary Union [RU] that was going to recruit students and grow and be a presence on campus in certainly by 1970. Tell me a little bit about the Revolutionary Union and your relationship to it. \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=2843.0,2899.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, the Revolutionary Union had a Marxist focus, which I think was significant. It gave people—a broader understanding of what was going on historically. And it was—at the time there was a real struggle between the Soviet Union and China. They were at loggerheads on most everything. And the Revolutionary Union was very much on the Chinese side of that equation. It was Marxism-Leninism, Mao Tse Tung thought. In fact, we would do calisthenics with that sort of chant. That was fun. \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=2899.0,2945.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The Revolutionary Union was valuable in that it made people understand the stakes. It made people understand the reality of the situation. I remember our meetings you'd have to put the telephone in a closet and turn the radio on to a rock station as loud as you could get it, and then disable the telephone that way. Because at the time, this is a long time ago, you couldn't unplug a phone. Phones were wired in. And so we knew—the Revolutionary Union just had a disciplined understanding of the reality of what we were up against, more so than a lot of naive students who just thought we could ask them to please stop killing people. \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=2945.0,3003.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it did provide structure. It also, though, provided a lot of what was called democratic centralism, which was strong on the centralism and not so strong on the democratic. And that made it hard. You had to accept the discipline of the party and that, at a certain point, just got to be a non-negotiable for me. I couldn't go that far. But it was a very valuable organizational tool in that it just made people realize the context that we were struggling in. Even though it was, you know, the context was skewed by a lot of strange ideology, I would say. But still, there were a lot of valuable insights buried in those different ideologies. \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=3003.0,3062.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it was a curious time. Because we knew—I remember you would go to a meeting somewhere, but you would have to be sure to park several blocks away and then walk the last few blocks because you didn't want a certain group of cars being identified as having any connection with each other. There were a lot of things we had to worry about. We had to worry about infiltration. That's when the centralism rears its ugly head. And I think, in a way, the government knew that if it made the stakes higher, that it would push us into doing some stupid things to, to try to combat the government's attempts to sabotage the movement. And those were numerous. In fact, those attempts were far more numerous on recollection then we realized at the time. Because they had a lot of infiltrators, and you didn't know who you were talking to. And that made for trouble. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=3062.0,3134.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And as I recall, the Revolutionary Union had smaller groups or so-called collectives and one didn't know who was in the other collectives. And then there was a kind of central command or central committee whom everybody knew. But the ideas would come up from the different collectives. They would be kind of processed by the central committee, and then plans and strategy would evolve out of that and would come back down to the collectives. Is that your kind of recollection, as well? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=3134.0,3184.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, that was—it was democratic centralism. That was the principle, was that you would, you know, you would elicit information from the grassroots and then amalgamate it at some central location and then push it back out again. The trouble is that the centralizing became stronger than the democratic. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=3184.0,3207.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. The RU did put forward a vision of socialist transformation and structural change. And in that sense, I think it was very attractive to many who were kind of, Well, we've engaged in grassroots protests, but going forward and in the longer run, what kind of organization is going to lead to systemic change? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=3207.0,3245.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah and that's where China was an inspiration at the time. I mean people may criticize the Chinese Communist Party for a lot of reasons, but you have to look at what they did objectively on the ground, which was just unbelievable. I mean, they transformed that country. And if you see now today the economic powerhouse that China is, well, the beginning of that was under the Communist Party of China. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=3245.0,3276.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As I recall there was a very famous book called Fanshen [A Documentary of Revolution in a Chinese Village], by William Hinton. Which was all about the revolution in the countryside, the expropriation of landlords, formation of peasant cooperatives, and so forth. And that was part of that compelling vision, I think. \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=3276.0,3304.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mm-hmm. Yeah. That's quite a book, Fanshen.\n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=3304.0,3309.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But the RU has a brief life span, and I wanted to ask you about something related to the RU, because it was truly indigenous in the sense that it had gotten started elsewhere, particularly in the Bay Area. But then there was the whole organizing process and recruitment into the RU based upon a set of principles and belief in democratic centralism. So it didn't come out of nowhere. It certainly came from grassroots organizing. But what about the Weathermen [national SDS faction]? What do you remember about the Weathermen and their impact on what was going on on campus? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=3309.0,3366.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I don't know that the Weathermen had a significant impact on campus. I remember Bill Ayers  did come to the university, and I don't know if he talked or not, but I remember meeting him, but I don't remember them having, they were kind of inspiring in that they were down for a struggle, but almost to a fault. I mean, they would just go out and trash and sometimes—that, I always had trouble with. I couldn't understand how you organize around the idea of just, you know, blanket destruction? I mean, you know, breaking somebody's car window isn't going to convince the person who owns the car that you're doing anything useful. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=3366.0,3418.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bill Ayers was one of the national leaders of Weathermen. There was a split in '69 and '70. And, yes, he came [July 1969] and I think his then- and now-partner, Bernardine Dohrn, came to campus. There was a couple of times when they came. But you don't feel their kind of strategy took hold in Eugene? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=3418.0,3449.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Not that I encountered. I mean, they were inspiring. But, you know, the idea of a prairie fire [manifesto] was a, you know, it was actually what we were all observing happen at the time was a prairie fire. But they didn't—I didn't get any sense of an organization that would help promote that. It would just seem like a lot of very angry people. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=3449.0,3481.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So talk a little bit about, you know, what happens to you after anti-war movement. Certainly by '72, '73 is in decline and you're going to graduate. Talk a little bit about what happens after school and after the anti-war movement. \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=3481.0,3512.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, for me, like I mentioned, I took a year off and lived in the woods to just kind of heal myself—and stopped really engaging in politics for a few years there and moved to Portland and started selling used second-hand books. But it took a while to get kind of re-engage with—but I remember the Central American solidarity groups here in Portland were pretty strong. And, you know, and again, the same issue is there, the issue of imperialism, and the fact that so few people understood what was happening in Central America at the time. It was just unbelievable that they could massacre hundreds of people and there would be not a peep in the media. Not a peep. And they could kill an archbishop {Archbishop Oscar Romero] and get away with it, for God's sake.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=3512.0,3578.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then I think it was in that period that I connected up again with the RCP [Revolutionary Communist Party], which was a kind of successor organization to the Revolutionary Union. And that was again, it was a very frustrating time because you saw a lot of very well-meaning people and very intelligent people, very sensitive progressive people, trying as hard as they could to do something that wasn't getting done. And I don't know—what happened to the RCP that it, it lost its—it became too much of the centralism and not enough of the democratic. I guess that's all I can say. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=3578.0,3629.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I want to talk more about Central America, but go back to your year in the woods. How were you? How are you working with yourself in terms of dealing with the stresses and strains that so many young people were feeling at this time? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=3629.0,3654.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I didn't see it as therapy at the time, but in hindsight, I see my long walks in the woods and smoking a lot of marijuana on those long walks in the woods, it being very therapeutic. I mean, it just put me in touch with the real world again, the world of nature, the world that functions whether we care about it or not. It goes on behind—our consciousness. And—that was very nurturing for me. I mean it helped me get past a lot of insecurities and uncertainties and a lot of being worried about trying to solve the problems of the world and realizing, No, that's not going to happen. And so, you know, get over yourself and connect to the real world, to the— \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=3654.0,3713.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And when you come to Portland, you got into the book business. Talk about that a little bit. How and why? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=3713.0,3725.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I don't know why I did it, but it was serendipitous. I walked by Powells bookstore one day and ask for a job. And old Walter Powell, who was, bless his soul, gave me a job. And Walter didn't know books. I didn't know books. But Walter had somebody there working for him, named Bernie Kehoe, who did know books. And Bernie Kehoe is somebody that Portland should remember because he's responsible for creating Powells Bookstore. More than Michael Powell. More than Walter Powell. More than anyone. And he taught me books. And it was fun because you see the kind of primitive side of capitalism. You see the, you know, Walter would tell us, buy low, sell high. And, boy, that works. I mean, if you're paying twenty-five cents for a book and selling it for three dollars, it doesn't take very long for Walter to make money. And it was fun to be at the kind of beginning of that. I mean, it's become an institution since. But that was, that was very enjoyable. I remember the first Powells Bookstore paid a hundred-fifty dollars a month rent and then a little more for a space in the in the back. And Walter turned that little location into what it is today. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=3725.0,3815.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But did you feel that through the book business you were helping to continue to educate others about the way the world works or help people on their own intellectual quests to understand politics and history. \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=3815.0,3838.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, yeah, I think the books do that, do the hard work, but it's to facilitate their distribution is, I think that contributes. I've enjoyed that my whole life. That's what I've done to keep body and soul together is to sell second-hand books because they're an invaluable source of information to people. People need to read more. There's just a lot of people pour their souls into creating something of value and it gets printed and you can buy it for four dollars. I mean, it's an amazing medium for passing along information. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=3838.0,3887.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then, over time, you're going to become very much involved in the anti-interventionist movement in Central America. And of course, the slogan there was \"No Vietnam in Central America.\" Talk about that a little bit. \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=3887.0,3907.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I mean, that was part of the frustration, was realizing that the empire could adapt, that the empire understood it couldn't fight a war like it did in Vietnam, but it didn't have to. It had options. And those options were every bit as vicious as the option they unleashed on the people in Vietnam. And it was the same frustration, the same beating your head against a wall because people just did not understand what was happening. Even today, you know, we have the people are worried that the borders are being crossed by all these people from Central America. Well, why? I mean, we treated that part of the world like a like a damn plantation for the last several hundred years. And of course, that's going to have a harmful effect on the economy. And, of course, people are going to want to flee those effects. And we have yet to understand just what the United States economy is doing to the rest of the world. I don't know why, how they let us get away with it. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=3907.0,3984.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And many would say the anti-war movement did prevent the U.S. government from directly intervening in Central America. But what they did is found surrogates, say after there had been a revolution in Nicaragua in the early eighties, literally the United States and the CIA would create these mercenaries called the Contras and try to literally foment a civil war within Nicaragua. And then in the mid-eighties, the so-called Iran Contra scandal was going to happen, which literally was a collaboration between the executive branch of government, the military, and the CIA to unlawfully and illegally send arms to the Contras in who were fomenting this civil war. So, I mean, did you think, when Central America came around, did you think that there was an impact that the anti-war movement had had? Or were you thinking, Oh, no, this is just Vietnam all over again? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=3984.0,4085.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I think the anti-war movement in the Vietnam period definitely had made limited the options of the empire. But they're very adept. And, I mean, people knew what was going on at the time because the Congress wouldn't allow funding for the war against the people of Nicaragua that then, Well, we'll just get the money by selling drugs. And who of all people were selling drugs? William Barr was running an operation in Arkansas. William Barr, who— \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=4085.0,4125.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The former attorney general. \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=4125.0,4127.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"—the former attorney general of the United States. I mean, these people keep showing up again and again and they're doing the same thing. They're working for an empire. And William Barr was working for the empire when he was keeping Donald Trump under control. And that was his job was to keep Donald Trump under control. And this is I mean—and he'll fight and he'll do more things for the empire in the future, I'm sure, because he's part of the problem. And that they will find a way. Just like the war when George Bush the first invaded Iraq. A lot of that was designed to overcome the Vietnam syndrome or whatever he called it, to make people think that, Oh, the U.S. military can do good work in the world again. And whatever he was trying to think. That was one of their objectives in invading Iraq. And they're still doing it. Imperialism is every bit as strong today as it was in 1965. It's more elaborated, it is more sophisticated, It's more technological, but it's the same system. And we won't have democracy in this country until we overcome the empire. The Roman Empire hit the same Rubicon and they made the wrong decision then, and we've made the wrong decision. And we need to change that. And until we do, we'll be inflicting what we inflict on the rest of the planet. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=4127.0,4235.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, Steve, it's been a very informative and rich discussion. Two questions, is there anything that we haven't talked about that you would like to talk about in regards to the anti-war movement and your participation? And then could you just kind of reflect upon the impact that the anti-war movement had on your life? \n\nSteve Holland","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=4235.0,4261.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I think it's been an organizing principle, as silly as that may seem. Because it opened me up to how history works or doesn't work. I mean, how things cannot be as they seem. And I think we in the United States—and this may be a little controversial here—but I think we've been in a cul-de-sac ever since September 11, 2001, because I think the same empire that pulled off Vietnam and Central America and the invasion of Iraq also pulled off the destruction of those buildings to further the empire. And that's worked out very well for them because a lot of people bought the big lie. And until we address some of these basic problems, we're going to be running around that cul-de-sac getting nowhere. And I hope that someday we get past this bad dream we've been in for my whole life. But it's been an organizing principle of my life. And I I've been on the underside of it most of the time, but it's been a very, very interesting point, place from which to observe. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=4261.0,4352.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84526/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Steve, I really want to thank you very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519#t=4352.0,4348.77069"}]},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160665/file/292519/transcript/84527","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Coll996_do010.vtt 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