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Between 1974 and 1978, she was exposed to women's history and women's music through Southwest Junior College and Camp Califia. Gladys discusses moving to Eugene and finding a \"lesbian Nirvana.\" She discusses the practice of non-monogamy, which was considered anti-patriarchal. Gladys describes the women's tree planting crew, Full Moon Rising, and the nature of cooperative businesses. She taught Spanish at Thurston High School. She knew Kip Kinkel, who shot students at the high school in 1998. Gladys then discusses working in the Springfield School District as a lesbian during the anti-gay state Ballot Measures 8 and 9. Gladys discusses leading the gay student alliance at Thurston High School. She describes getting married to her partner in Multnomah County in 2004. She ends her interview discussing the nature of the lesbian community, and aging issues. Key terms: Alcoholism; Coming out (sexual orientation); Conservation of natural resources -- methods; Drug use; Forests and forestry  --  Northwest, Pacific; Grimes, Susie; Hoedads, Inc.; Lesbian teachers -- United States; Public lands  --  United States -- Management; Mass shootings; Reforestation  --  Oregon; Same-sex marriage; Self disclosure; Springfield (Or.); Tree planting; United States. Bureau of Land Management; U.S. Forest Service; Violent crimes -- United States; Women's history; women's music; Worker cooperatives."]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Gladys Campbell (Interviewee)","Judith L. Raiskin (Interviewer)","Linda Long (Interviewer)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eIn Copyright\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["https://scua.uoregon.edu/repositories/2/archival_objects/606989"]}},{"label":{"en":["Type"]},"value":{"en":["Moving Image"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eThe Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project Collection consists of interviews of 83 people for the Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project, conducted by Professor Judith Raiskin and Curator Linda Long at the University of Oregon starting in the summer of 2018.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eIn Copyright\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/029/original/uo-logo-hires.png?1580744881","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/130/249/small/Coll520_do008.jpg?1636980616","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - Coll520_do008.mp4"]},"duration":6411.456,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/130/249/small/Coll520_do008.jpg?1636980616","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-universityoforegonlibraries.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/130/249/original/Coll520_do008.mp4?1636980616","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":6411.456,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["759_Coll520_do008_aligned [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: This interview is part of the Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=0.05,9.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The recordings will be made available through the University of Oregon Libraries’ Special Collections and University Archives. This is an oral history interview with Gladys Campbell on September 13, 2018 taking place in the University of Oregon Libraries’ recording studio in the Center for Media and Educational Technologies. The interviewers are Linda Long, Curator of Manuscripts in the UO Libraries’ Special Collections and University Archives, and Professor Judith Raiskin of the UO Department of Women's, Gender and Sexuality Studies. Gladys, please let us know if you agree to be recorded for this project, and that you give your permission for the university to preserve and make available your recorded and transcribed interview.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=9.92,52.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: I do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=52.82,53.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Great, thank you. Let's start with the basic question. Can you please tell us when and where you were born, and something about your early years?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=53.71,60.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: I was born in Torrance, California, which is near Los Angeles. But at the age of two, we moved to the San Diego area and I grew up there until I was about nineteen. Had one home, parents a stay at home mom and a dad who never missed a day at work. He laid floors, so he was a manual laborer. When I graduated from high school, right about that time, there was a lot of women's events happening. They were talking about the women's movement. At the junior college I went to, which was Southwestern Junior College nearby, there were a lot of women talking about women's rights.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=60.99,116.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was a women's center. They were offering classes. One I took was called women in history. There were events like there was a women's music festival, the San Diego Women's Music Festival. All the headliners are there Holly Near and Meg Christian, Margie Adams. Then there was a camp called Califia, and we went and all these women, there were workshops. They were talking witches, and there were covens and political things. There was a lot going on. There was a coffee house called Las Hermanas coffee house in San Diego.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=116.03,159.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What year was this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=159.64,160.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: That would be 1974 to 1977.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=160.41,166.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What year were you born?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=166.59,168.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: 1955. The women in history class had a guest speaker and she was from Eugene, Oregon. She spoke and I was majoring in photography. I took pictures of her as she spoke. She saw the pictures and liked them and asked for some wallet size. I made her a set of wallet size. Then she said, “Well if you're ever in Eugene, look me up or something.” Well, I was young, my friends were young, we thought Eugene was like some kind of lesbian Mecca.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=172.54,206.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We hitchhiked up there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=206.65,208.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Were you already identified as a lesbian?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=210.13,212.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: When I went to that Camp Califia I had my first crushes on women, like really passionate crushes, and then I knew what it was all about. I worked a summer at Sequoia National Park. There was a woman there that I just fell head over heels. We made love and it was a summer romance and it was great. It was kind of interesting because I was like I'm a lesbian and this is my identity. She was, I would say like more of a butch dyke. But she kept talking about, oh she was going to get married and have kids and stuff. I'm looking at her like, no, you're not. Or if you are, you're going to be pretty miserable. I think she was really conflicted. She didn't want to identify that way, but that was my first relationship. That would be 1975, ‘76 I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=214.81,275.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Why do you think you weren't conflicted?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=276.04,279.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: Me?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=279.1,279.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=279.83,280.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: It just felt right. I was surrounded by all these women that were talking about women and women's power. It just felt right and it all made sense. Suddenly hanging out with my friends changed. It became deeper and more loving. Skipping ahead we did a lot of group, you couldn't be in a couple, you had to have multiple lovers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=280.62,313.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It just felt like a big, fun reality. It was wild and crazy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=313.69,325.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: This idea about non-monogamy, how did that idea disseminate?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=326.3,331.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: There were readings on it, women were writing about it. I think they were identifying with the patriarchy, being, you know, a male owned a woman. We didn't want to own each other, and we didn't want to model ourselves on the patriarchal relationships. We tried to do it differently. But I always said after years of that, I always said I could only have a part-time job if I had multiple lovers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=331.71,367.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because it just was so emotionally demanding at least in my experience. I know some women were very successful at it, but for me there always seemed to be a lot of drama. When I got to Eugene, we were walking the streets, my friend and I, and we were looking for the women's community here that was supposed to be so huge.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=367.36,395.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We were about to give up and we were walking out, I'm sure it was Seventh Street. We were walking out Seventh Street going to hitchhike back. Someone had spray painted a double woman's sign on a phone booth. For us that was just like, it was the sign we'd found it. I think now about graffiti and how I don't really like graffiti, but how at that point it was salvation. It was the burning bush or something, because we were just like, we found it. They really are here. Because someone had spray painted a double woman's sign on a phone booth. We turned around and we looked harder.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=396.72,438.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Seventh Avenue and what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=438.32,439.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: It would be probably Seventh and High. Seventh and Pearl, Seventh and High. We went back and we did find, we found Gertrude's, we found women who were in a meeting. There were posters up about different events. We thought we had found nirvana. Though we did leave town. Then I came back the next year during the summer, and found a poster that talked about the women's tree planting crew. There was a meeting in a place and I went, and there were a lot of women. I think like thirty or forty women and the room was just packed and out the door, all these women wanted to join the tree planting crew. Well, the women that were doing the crew already said, “Well we can't take all forty of you on at once, so we're going to have to do you in to two stages.” They asked for volunteers who could afford to wait. I had $75 to my name, and hitchhiked. But for some reason I felt that I could wait because I had $75. I was on the second group and I went to Klamath Falls where my sisters were living. They were doing the back-to-land hippie buying land thing. I stayed there and waited for a letter. I was living in Klamath Falls, there was about three feet of snow. It was freezing. I was walking back from my sister's house— there's like two miles, and it was early evening— it was still light out. I said, “Well I might take a shortcut to my place.” I got lost in the snow and I'm like, just really just didn't know. My shortcut didn't end up being a shortcut. I stumbled down on a road and it's getting dark. This car comes up. And when you're in the country people stop and they check and they said, “Hey, are you okay?” I said, \"Well, which way to Bill and Kathy's store?\" which was near where I— We're rural, we're all living out in the mountains. They said, “We're going there.” I said, “Well, okay.” I hopped in the car and they gave me a ride. When we got to the store, my other sister who lived five miles away just happens to pull up as I get out from being lost in the snow. She opens up her windows and she goes, “I've got a letter for you.” I'm like, okay. I'm still spinning from almost dying or something. I get the letter and it was from the Full Moon Rising tree planting. I opened it up and they said they really needed me to come and join. It was just very magical I thought how that all that, that she happened to come up that I happened to get lost for two hours. We happen to get there right at the same time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=441.09,640.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I packed up my stuff and left most of it at my sister’s and hitchhiked over to Eugene. They picked me up at Dunkin Donuts that's where all the tree planters gathered. I think it's still over there, Dunkin Donuts on Franklin. I went out, and so all the forty women that initially were, “I want to do this,” “I want to do this.” They picked me up and I go out and there's this rag tag bunch of women, there's probably ten or twelve. Half of them are sick and they're miserable and it's cold and wet. But I had just come from Klamath Falls with three feet of snow. So to me, this felt like the tropics, it felt warm. I get up there and I'm just singing Holly Near songs. They're just like miserable. They lived in yurts, which are a lattice structure with beams and then a plastic— well it was a canvas top. And then they had an airtight stove in the middle, which in those days was adequate except nowadays it would not pass fire code. Air tights are dangerous. But they had that. Then there was another smaller yurt for everybody to sleep in. But it had half collapsed and they were all sleeping in their vehicles and here and there. Well, I just thought that half collapsed yurt was awesome because it was my own space. I'd wake up and there was frost on my sleeping bag. It was so cold. But again, three feet of snow, this felt so nice. They took me out to train me on the unit, and there were— I had three trainers that day because they kept going home sick. They would like train and they'd be like, “You know what, I got to walk home.” They'd walk home and let so-and- so take over. That day I had three trainers because they all went home sick.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=640.41,765.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: When you say they went home, they went to the camp?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=765.6,768.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: Yeah, went back to camp. Camp was, we were in Dorena so we're about thirty miles and then another windy fifteen, twenty minutes on a logging road. But I was just so high, here I was living the dream. Because you have all these women living out and doing, they're so strong and powerful. I kind of didn't, I'm like they're sick, but I just kept going. It was a really bad contract. You would bid and do a contract and sometimes there's something called a bad bid. They were making about five dollars a day, which was really, no one wanted to go and do what we did for five dollars a day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=768.04,813.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you describe what you're planting and who you're planting it for?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=813.67,816.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: Hoedads had various crews, and the crews had themes and we were the women's crew to empower women. It was really smart of them to do that. They would bid on contracts for the Forest Service or BLM, the Bureau of Land Management. They would get these contracts. They would estimate how long, how many people time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=816.63,844.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then they would put a bid and if they won the bid, then Hoedads one of the crews would get assigned it. In this case, Dorena was assigned to several crews because it was a bad contract. When you have a bad contract, a bunch of crews show up and get the hell out of there. You plant the trees and it's a loss, but at least everybody took a loss in two days instead of one crew doing a loss of three weeks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=845.55,871.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What was a bad contract?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=872.07,873.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: A bad contract well five dollars a day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=873.46,875.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay, so the wage?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=875.54,876.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: Yeah. When you estimated the trees and the time and everything and you were getting five dollars a day. I worked for two weeks and I made the most money on that crew, and I made like $115 for two weeks. Everybody else made like $60 and $30. They were sick and morale was terrible. But I thought it was interesting. I was just in rose colored glasses. I would just literally the first day I'm singing, and I'm out there planting and having a great time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=877.0,917.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What are you planting? It is a clear cut that's being planted?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=917.15,922.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: When Weyerhaeuser and those companies, the lumber companies, the paper mills would clear cut, they were required by law to have trees replanted by a certain time, so many years. We would plant whatever—Doug fir, but they were genetically modified. They were called super trees they grew fast. But it was also monoculture.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=922.24,951.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was not a good thing. They would come in and clear cut a mix of trees, and they would replant with Doug fir. Well that's a monoculture and monocultures are more susceptible to disease and stuff. It wasn't ideal, but that's what we were doing. Things changed over time. They started, you would plant two different kinds of trees. You would have a bag strapped on and these trees, and then you'd have what's called a Hoedag. That's where Hoedad got its name. And so, you would throw this tool into the soil, pull it back, put a tree in, and then tamp down the soil and then move on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=951.24,993.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They would have like six by eight by— they would tell you how many feet between trees. You'd have a line, there would be women, someone would start and then another woman ten feet below her and ten feet below her and ten feet. We would go across a unit planting trees, and then ideally plant back up because they were often steep. Units often had like, oh, they're flat. Then it's hard on your back. Oh, it's so steep, but then it's hard on your knees. They had a slope 70% slope, 60% slope. If it was a steep one you wanted to plant down and then plant back up, get more trees.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=993.96,1038.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then sometimes we got lunch breaks but you barely wanted a lunch break because it would be so cold. You would start out cold, you'd start planting and you would get so hot, that you would want to take off your rain gear, which you couldn't because then you'd be wet and hypothermia. But so we had lots of rain gear and boots with spikes on them and they were called corks. We transported in something called a crummy, a big suburban vehicle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1040.17,1079.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There'd be like thirteen women in the back and three women in the front. We'd have twelve to fifteen women and go out. At the top of the unit there would be trees, and then you'd bag up your trees and off you'd go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1079.57,1093.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: How many seedlings, were they called seedlings? How many would you carry on your body?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1095.91,1100.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: It varied. Tree size was often an issue. If you had small trees you could carry hundreds. Then if they were bigger trees, and that would be part of the bid, you'd have three year old trees, oh my God, you're carrying like sixty huge trees as opposed to 100 small trees. That would be part of it. Sometimes they had, they were called plugs. Then they had a plastic plug with them. You'd pull it out of a plug, put your plug in and plant the tree. Those tended to weigh more, so weight was an issue. But we were all in our early twenties, and pretty much we just were what we'd call “Gonzos,” and got stronger and stronger.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1101.21,1154.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: How long was the workday?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1155.08,1157.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: It depended on the unit. Ideally, it was probably we'd leave at 7:00 or 8:00 in the morning. Get there, load up, start planting. Since it was generally done in the winter and spring, because you wanted wet, so rain gear was, that's just the way it was. It could be too dry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1157.14,1184.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You'd get dried out, you'd get winded out if the wind was over fifty miles an hour, they'd shut you down. The Forest Service would come and inspect what you've done. They might stop you at noon or something and say, “It's too dry conditions. You got to stop.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1184.42,1204.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Then you go back to the yurt and hang out?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1204.34,1206.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1206.66,1207.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What was that like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1207.21,1208.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: Awesome. We sang a lot of songs, lot of songs. Songs when we're driving, songs in camps. We'd have business meetings, we would have feelings meetings. Maybe somebody wanted to teach something. Someone might teach guitar, someone might teach an herbal tonic. But we did all live together. Some people could go, like on that Dorena contract, they could go back to Eugene for maybe a weekend or something. But once we were out in Eastern Oregon, Washington, Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, no one could go back. We were always a unit, stayed together when we went from contract to contract to contract.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1210.44,1263.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: I didn't know you went so far.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1263.75,1266.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: I did some California, Northern California, just at the end.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1267.66,1272.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How did pay work?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1272.81,1274.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: We paid by the shares. That meant not your ability, but if you worked so many hours, then those hours were divided into what we were paid. Then so everybody got a share. Someone who planted 100 trees and someone who planted 300 trees would get paid the same hourly. It was the share.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1275.77,1303.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: That day when you were making more money than the others, how did that work out?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1303.46,1308.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: Because they all went home sick, they were sick.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1309.48,1312.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: The person who planted more trees, was it by the hour then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1312.99,1318.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because you would take longer to plant 300 trees compared to 100 trees.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1318.26,1322.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: No, someone who is fast.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1322.75,1324.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: I see, so if you're efficient.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1325.87,1326.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: But we were going by, so some woman that's six feet tall, 180 pounds, muscle-bound would get paid more than someone who's four foot nine and maybe couldn't cover the ground they could.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1326.01,1347.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Everybody got paid the same in terms of the time they put in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1348.79,1353.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did that sit well with the people who were faster planters?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1354.59,1358.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: I was a fast planner and I didn't have a problem with it. My fast planting was more a personal best, and also keeping up with the other fast planners.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1358.24,1370.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Enthusiasm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1370.83,1371.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: If women didn't have our enthusiasm that was okay with me. I think later on there was a riff, and then there was a different crew formed. It was good I thought a half share half piecework. A lot of crews paid by the tree. When you do that, you can have sloppy planting, you can have people who “stash trees” they called it. We didn't have that issue, but you might have some Gonzo plant, they might bury twenty trees, get paid. There was issues with by the tree also. People had what's called cut you off, leave you on the duff, because the trees to be planted in soil. If they had a lot of duff, which is its composted bark-- It's real easy to dig in that, but you're not supposed to be planting a tree in there. We had sayings like, “You left me in the duff.” But if you're planting by the share, you didn't worry about that so much. If someone was, it's called “gravy.” They're planting in the gravy, all the good soil and leaving you in this crap with a bunch of branches. Well you would be angry because they're going to make more money than you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1373.5,1466.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Whereas if you pay by the share, if you got crap and they didn't, you both got paid the same.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1466.32,1474.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Not to belabor that point, but what is the share?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1475.41,1478.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: That would be hourly. If I worked ten days, I'm going to get paid more than someone that got paid one day. I can't remember if it was hourly or, but it definitely wasn't by the tree, which is what almost all the crews did. There's pros and cons to both.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1479.79,1508.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How did Full Moon Rising do in comparison to some of the male groups?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1509.13,1513.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: I thought we held our own, pretty much. I think there were maybe one or two contracts that we had to get, maybe one, that we had to get bailed out. Where they had to bring in— We weren't keeping up with— When you do a bid, has to be done in so many days. I don't think we ever ran into problems with that. We actually helped other crews. Because if they got a bad contract then they called it a “swarm,” and they would put a call out to all the crews. I can't remember exactly how many crews, but I'm saying there was like fifteen, twenty different crews. There was a crew for families and they had childcare. There was a crew that was communist based. I think they did by the share. They were very political and they were called Red Star. The family crew, I think was called Potluck. The crews had different themes. Sometimes if a crew got in a bad contract and they were going to default, and then all these crews would come in and wipe out that whole contract in one day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1513.89,1587.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was quite fun. That happened like once or twice and you'd see everybody, like, Oh my God. We'd all work for a day or two and just knock it out and then they wouldn't go into default. I'm amazed that I can remember those words, but it's all coming back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1587.3,1604.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: How many years did you work as a tree planter?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1604.6,1606.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: I did what's called two seasons, so it was about two and a half years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1606.52,1610.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was your relationship as women in that crew with the lesbians who were in town?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1613.05,1619.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: We were pretty isolated, but when we'd come to town, I think we'd go to, I'm glad you're reminding me the Riv Room. But we really didn't have a home base. A couple of times we would rent a house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1620.54,1635.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It would give us a place so there'd be a bunch of women living there. But we ended up— That would only occur for a few months and we'd get usually evicted or something, because there was just too much going on. There was a house on, I just saw it today: Eleventh, and Almaden or Almaden, whichever. It had nine bedrooms, and we rented that. Everybody had their own bedroom, it was so nice. Two women had their trucks with campers on the back out in the back, and they were like homemade campers. One was Step Van. I remember it was like my first room here in Eugene, but we were only there maybe four months max. Then boom, then we're gone from probably October to June would be. It was hard to have a home base. We would come to town for meetings, but that would be about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1637.21,1694.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: When you were out doing the tree planting for the extended period of time, and then at night you'd go back to the camp. Did you always have a camp by running water? How did you get water?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1694.64,1706.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: We had water cans so there might be like four or five lined up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1706.75,1711.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Water was a ways you wouldn't drink from a creek because of different amoebas and stuff. We would get water in town, shower in town. We were really big on Pie and I. We'd go to town and have pie and ice cream, Pie and I the whole bunch of us. When we would come in, we were generally very short hair. I can imagine what, I mean they trembled, I'm sure. One time we were driving to a contract and we were leaving Eugene, we were going to go through Corvallis and this woman was hitchhiking. She was a hippie. We stopped and picked her up. She gets in the van. I mean, we are really nice people. Really nice and laughing and everything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1713.36,1759.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We stopped to get gas, she jumped out of there and ran. That was a reality check for me. I was like, I guess we're not so normal or something we don't fit in. But here's this counter-culture, hippie woman running for her life. We were just like, “Sorry.” I remember that. We would go places, but since we were out in the woods, we didn't interact with people. We'd find our camp, find our unit. The unit was sometimes maybe another ten or fifteen minute drive from camp, because your camp had to be level and room to set up yurts and trucks and cars. We would pull in. We were pretty isolated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1760.17,1803.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We'd get our water, get our food and then not see people till the end of the unit, or the contract, which might be a week or two. 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You had a group rep and you had a bidding rep and you had a treasurer. I never was a bidder, but I was a group rep where you would meet with all the other crews and talk about whatever contracts. You would talk about politics, donations maybe. Because Hoedads have a lot of money. I talked about the five dollar day contract. The next contract we made $200 a day. Forty years ago, that was a lot of money, $200 a day. We would come to town and we would have quite a bit of cash.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1843.14,1882.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Two hundred dollars a day for the crew or for each person?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1882.2,1895.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: Each day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1895.98,1897.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: For each person?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1897.11,1897.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: Each person. We went from five dollars per person today to almost $200 a day. It was a terrible contract but it was bid well. Hoedads would bid on contracts and then give them out to the different crews.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1897.85,1917.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What was the relationship between the women's crew and the men?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1919.99,1923.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: I thought it was good. We would have what was called a general meeting every year, and all the crews would come. You have about 500 people, food provided, giant meetings. I remember really being welcoming. But I think there were a couple of crews that didn't like us very much. But usually it was on the individuals, not crews.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1923.22,1950.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Some crews were like all men, and they could plant faster and harder. It wasn't a big part of it, but sometimes it's a little resentment. Again I was living with blinders because I was living with these women and traveling all over. But they probably felt we didn't hold our own, or they couldn't count on us. But we never defaulted on a contract. I thought we did well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1954.62,1987.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: When you had a contract that was a $200 a day, how did you know whether you were getting those good contracts compared to the other Hoedad groups?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1988.12,1998.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: You had the general meeting and the bidders and they would work it out, and they would advocate for your group. We did plant with other groups. Sometimes there'd be two crews on a contract or three. We generally we would get excited. We liked planting with the Red Star group. We planted with the family group. It was a really good fit. I remember there was one guy from, I think it was the family group, he was our honorary guy and he would dress up as a gal and be in our pictures and stuff. We really loved him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=1999.02,2040.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: There were other crews that had women working?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2041.91,2045.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2046.12,2046.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Full Moon Rising was just women only. That distinguished it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2046.75,2050.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: I think some crews had a 50/50 rule, where they had to have 50% women. There was just a couple I think. I just want to say one that was, they were called the Mudsharks and they were tough.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2050.03,2067.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Did you ever go up the trees to harvest seeds?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2068.16,2072.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: No. No desire. But I heard it was good money. My sisters did similar stuff in Klamath, but they chopped the trees down and then they would come and everybody would get the cones. Different style.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2072.42,2087.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How did the cooking work?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2088.28,2091.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: We were known for having what was called a “Camp Mom.” One member would volunteer to stay home every day. Clean. They would make breakfast, wash dishes. You would pack lunch before they leave. You'd pack the lunch, have breakfast, wash the dishes, clean the camp, make dinner. That was really nice. You would leave with a lunch to go and Camp Mom took care of it. You would have hot breakfast and you would have a great dinner coming home and Camp Mom took care of everything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2091.79,2128.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did people want to be Camp Mom or was it a coveted position or not?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2128.64,2133.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: I liked being Camp Mom, but I realized some people didn't. That baffled me because I'm like, warm and cozy. But it was a long day because you had to get up before they did and you did all the way to dinner. It was a long day and some people don't like doing that kind of work at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2136.49,2157.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: It's just one person doing it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2157.18,2158.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: One person. Also if someone was sick, you were there for the someone who was sick. I liked it as a break. It was warm, but there were definitely people who did not want to do it, which I would think it would be a reverse. You'd think people, I want to stay home.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2158.84,2180.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Was Full Moon Rising all lesbian or just all women?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2182.56,2185.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: No, just all women. Though they were few and far between. They brought disease too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2185.92,2197.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: The non-lesbians?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2199.67,2199.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: Yeah. I remember a bunch of us got sick and it was this one straight woman that brought disease. Well that was our conclusion anyways.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2199.81,2209.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Sexually transmitted infection?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2209.23,2210.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: Yeah because we didn't have it. Then she showed up and then all of a sudden everybody's got, what was it called? I can't remember, but something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2210.54,2224.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What food did you have and how did you keep food cold up there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2224.68,2230.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: When I look back I'm thinking, how did we do that? Tofu, we'd get bulk at Surata in a bucket. One of the Camp Mom's job was to change the water every day. As long as the water was changed, that was good. It was cold. You're rarely camping in warm weather.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2230.48,2253.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One time we were in Montana, we were planting, we had our shirts off, it was hot, and then boom, it was snowing and we were putting them packing up and we left. It was two inches of snow by one o'clock. Things would change quickly. The food, we'd have whole grain bread from the local bakery. But we really must have had to plan ahead because there weren't healthy eating places between here and Missoula, Montana, and we would be driving. So we did some really good planning. I saw in our journals, I think that's the one thing that's really stood out to me were grocery lists. Willow Run margarine. We did a lot of cabbage as opposed to lettuce because cabbage stores and bread was okay. When I started in that five dollar a day morale, really people were complaining about what we had was cabbage and moldy cheese sandwiches. I mean, it was cut off. Here you have the morale and you have this food. But again, to me it was like, “Yes! Bread and cheese and cabbage, I'll take it.” But in looking back, I can see why they complained quite a bit about the food.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2254.13,2337.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What haven't we asked you about Full Moon Rising that we should understand?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2338.33,2342.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: The crew rotated. There were women that would join and retire and join and retire. We'd have visiting crew members from other crews, and the name Annie Redstar— and I have a picture of her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2350.31,2365.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Annie Redstar came and planted with us for a little while, or Fawn from the family one came and planted with us for a while. It wasn't a static group. We had children too. I know Myeba’s daughter traveled with us for at least a month I think, or two.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2365.59,2388.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Would she plant or would she stay at the camp?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2393.5,2396.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: I can't quite remember, but I think she stayed home with Camp Mom because she was about four. But there was always something going on. It's really good to look at the pictures, because almost all the pictures we’re pretty happy. It was cold, like I said, you'd start out and you could not fell your fingers or your toes. You would start out and you knew you really had to have faith that within about twenty minutes, sensation would come back. Then in about an hour you'd be sweating, and you'd be warm all the rest of the day. I remember this one gal, she forgot her rain gear. What she did is she did not take a lunch break. She just kept planting, and that way she never got cold.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2398.31,2449.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you remember anybody getting hurt or very sick?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2449.28,2454.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: I'm surprised we didn't. I'm surprised there weren't more knee injuries, back injuries. We didn't take anyone away in an ambulance. I know that Susie, but that was during the summer I wasn't around and it was a different, it was a pine cone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2461.01,2479.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: That's Susie Grimes's accident you're referring to?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2479.05,2485.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: Yeah. I didn't know much about that other than women were talking about it. I didn't know Susie. I didn't know about cone picking. We also did drugs quite a bit. It was cocaine, pot, acid. I did cocaine I think once, I'm like, eh, not for me. Did acid, I could do without that. Pot once or twice, it just didn't work for me. But several of the women did cocaine on a regular basis. I'm sure that's where their money went to. It was sad to see women put so much money into that. It just didn't work for me. I didn't have a judgment about women then about their drug use. We drank a lot, too. I did do that. Because if you were in a contract in like Idaho, and most towns were basically two things, a gas station and a bar. We would go in. I remember— you had these inspectors that would inspect your work. These two inspectors in Montana also worked at the bar. When we took a day off and we'd go into town, I mean they would literally give us so many free drinks and we were so drunk, drove drunk, puked our guts out. 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We would just pass through towns and we knew it was probably not super safe, but we didn't have that I can recall, no one came out to our camps. No one harassed us, which is amazing because I would think we would be a sitting duck for male violence like that. The misogyny. I don't recall any incidents. But yeah that definitely, in retrospect I'm like, oh my gosh, I would never do what I did then in terms of safety. But we were pretty isolated and the roads were pretty bad. Sometimes you're going up a steep mountain road with a drop off and you're slipping like this, because it's muddy. I have three journals that talk about all the years, but there was also one, we called it a table of contents. It never had a book. If there was something that was said or a saying we would write it. There's this whole table of contents with, I don't know, maybe about 100 sayings. One was like slip, slip, slip, slide, slide, slide. Just things related to happened that day about driving on those insane roads, which sometimes we'd like say, well, I'm only going to go if Myeba drives. Because for some reason she could, she was fearless. She'd get on those roads. I don't think I ever was much of a, they're called crummies. The vehicles are called crummies. I was number never much of a crummy driver, but Myeba was. I'm trying to think, I think Martha was, Martha Crawford. But it really took a special skill.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2599.19,2728.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was okay on the flats but drop-offs with mud— You can see in the pictures, sometimes we would sink in that mud and we would have to dig our way out, dig and put logs and everybody's pushing. I don't recall anybody getting hurt even though a log snapping or a truck rolling back, so many things. I remember in one contract we were all loading, we were going from Montana to Wyoming. We looked up and the lattice for the yurt had blown off.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2728.81,2767.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was somewhere back on the freeway. What did we do? Got back and went along the freeway and we found it. How did we find that lattice on the side of the freeway, fortunately? 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Then plastic around the outside.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2787.72,2804.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Which done well it looks nice but in some of the pictures at Dorena contract, it was just like barely there. It looked depressing and everybody was depressed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2804.22,2814.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Did you use cots or just sleep on the ground?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2814.08,2817.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: A lot of women had their own vehicles. Not cots but foam thin foam mats. Within I think about six months, I got my own Step van.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2818.67,2835.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When you have your own space, you get a lot more relationships.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2835.93,2839.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was a lot more fun. I had a really cool Step Van. I had running water and a wood stove and a four inch foam bed and 8-track stereo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2841.81,2851.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How did you get that van?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2851.8,2854.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: After that lucrative contract where we made almost $200 a day, I could afford to buy a Step Van that some hippie was selling. The crummy would go— that was the work transport. But then there would probably be five different vehicles. Liz Crane's van, Otter— Kelly Reese's step van, my step van, Simon's truck and I think there was probably another vehicle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2855.77,2888.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: A caravan.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2891.16,2891.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: Then one time I developed a gas tank leak, and we all sat and I don't think I have pictures of that where we're all in a circle and we're chewing gum. We're all chewing gum to patch this hole in my gas tank, which worked. But now in retrospect a little sheet metal and a screw, but I didn't know then. It was funny. It was just funny because we're in some town in Eastern Oregon. It's amazing we're alive really. One guy got for some reason in the crummy, there were these little screws poked through. It's just some of the design. There was probably a liner at one time, but the liner was gone so it was just metal. We would, I don't know why, we would cut off locks of hair and we would rubber band. There were these little locks of hair, little tiny locks of hair. It had no meaning other than a joke, silly, whatever. 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We just started doing it.” But he swore he knew he was just like, they're doing voodoo or something I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2955.68,2974.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Could you characterize the women who worked in this crew? Was there anything similar about them or was it just an eclectic group of women?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2975.56,2985.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: It was white, some Jewish women, and mostly working class.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=2987.62,3001.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because I remember when we did the split, women who wanted to do things differently, it was fourteen working class women against six middle-class women. That always I thought it was like, could you take a look at that? That might be part of the issue here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3002.79,3021.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Working class women wanted to do share and the—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3021.93,3024.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: Yeah, we wanted to just do share and they want to do piece and share, which was, it had potential, but I just didn't think we had to split about it. There were no working class women in that group.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3024.34,3036.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But there were a couple of middle-class women with the Full Moon Rising. I wouldn't say middle-class women planted harder or faster, I couldn't see any pattern there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3036.34,3058.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Why did you decide to quit?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3058.91,3061.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: They were doing the split. I'd been planting for two and a half years. It was really hard work. I was actually on my way to join a tree planning group in Washington called the Marmots. My partner at the time, Martha was up there. They were doing by the share, they were very much like Full Moon Rising. They weren't a crew from Hoedads, they were a Washington group and they were welcoming us. I was on my way up there. I remember pulling over in Tillamook, Oregon. I pulled into a Safeway parking lot and I'm like, I don't want to do this hard work. I do not want to freeze and do that anymore. Then I was in my step van and I had that thought.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3061.8,3118.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I pulled over and there was a knock on my door, on my step van door. I opened it up, and there were two, there was a man and woman, hippies, and they were like, “Are you looking for work?” I was like, “Yes, I am.” They needed help picking psilocybin mushrooms in the Tillamook area. I started doing that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3118.74,3141.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Was that with just the two of them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3141.32,3145.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: I think they had like four people. People would pick mushrooms and in the process they would damage cow fences and the cows would get out. They wanted us to, and we could pick mushrooms, but we kept other people out. At least that's what I was told. I did that and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3146.55,3166.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Was it legal to harvest those?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3166.41,3168.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: It's not legal to trespass always, but it's legal to pick psilocybin mushrooms. I had lots and lots of psilocybin mushrooms. I came back to Eugene and a bunch of the tree planters, I remember being, I did that for a couple months it's seasonal. I came back to Eugene and we had savings from planting. I had applied at a collective bakery. A bunch of the tree planters were in the house. I get the call that I'm hired. I cover it up and I go, “I'm joining another collective.” They're like, “Oh my God.” Then I joined Solstice Bakery Collective and I did that for two years. We were burnt out on the collective experience and the meetings. The crit, self crit, the drama that goes with collectives. Then I started that collective and it was warm. Bakery's a great place to work in the winter. Good food.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3169.78,3242.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you think there is a model of collectives that is sustainable?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3243.16,3245.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: I think it can be done. When I look at Eugene and I see how many collectives there were, and how many co-ops there were, and how many are left. I think the Growers Market Co-op is still going. A lot of them switched to non co-op, but Surata and Genesis Juice, they just couldn't make it. They were often started by someone in my opinion, started by someone that was just fired up about something like whole grain bakery or making tofu. But it all required long hours and hard work. People, I think, got burned out on that. Tree planting was, at the time it didn't seem like hard work, but after two years it did. I wasn't in pain then, but I do now. My knees bother me, my hips bother me, my shoulders bother me. It could be the hard work of tree planting. Could be a number things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3245.76,3336.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: The bakery was also collective work, did you have burnout in that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3338.01,3343.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: Yeah. When I left it continued for quite a while, but it did shift into an owner. Because I think when people are there making the same salary as someone that joins. You train them they leave, at some point you go, let's make it a variation of a collective, where there are owners that stick with it and do all the training and hard work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3344.06,3378.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's something about that. Surata’s is still going on. Genesis is still going.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3382.36,3389.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: When you were living in Eugene now— you're a town person now, what was a typical day or weekend like for you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3389.1,3400.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: Bakery work was long hours, because you had to start super early in the morning to get the bread started. Granola we made. Then you'd have days off. I can't remember just doing bakery. There were a lot of women. Amazon Kung Fu started up pretty close in there. I was training. Again all those women. Amazon Kung Fu when it started, I'm sure it was like thirty or forty women. They even had their own place. We had our own place, all the women built the floor, all the women did the instructing. There were no male teachers or there were male students. I was always in some kind of women's group. Even the tree planting, even though we weren't planting trees we still lived near each other, saw each other.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3402.8,3469.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did Equinox and solstice circles together, thanks to Myeba. She made a song book. We'd get together and sing, and she has the song book. I hope she gave you a copy of all the songs we used to sing. I just went from one women's group, the tree planting to Amazon Kung Fu. You had the women Take Back the Night marches, and Amazon Kung Fu did the security. We were trained in nonviolent confrontation. The women Take Back the Night march, which were huge in those days, many blocks long. Then Amazon Kung Fu we were stationed along the way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3470.6,3520.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then when I started a women's drum group, then we played drums at the end of Take Back the Night. I was always for some reason connected to Take Back the Night, either security or— I almost never participated because I was usually doing security or then we were drumming at the end. Now I'm in Samba Ja, the Brazilian percussion group locally. We played like the Take Back the Night march would come and we would meet them. It was planned. We would meet them and then they would pass us and then we would play. Always something. There was never a time when I wasn't doing something with women.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3521.56,3569.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Where were you living?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3569.76,3573.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: In the Whiteaker area, which was a lot cheaper in those days. We nicknamed it “Felony Flats”. I always said, if my porch light went out, if I didn't fix it in two days, there would be someone sleeping on my porch. I remember Myeba they lived next door and they woke up to someone sleeping on their couch. It was a rough neighborhood and lots of drugs. The Amazon Kung Fu was just a couple blocks away. I remember I had a friend, she was worked for the police, Eugene police department. I said how I walk from my house on Fifth Street to Second Street, three blocks to the Amazon Kung Fu. She said, “If you knew what went on in those blocks, you would not walk those blocks.” Again, ignorance is bliss.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3574.28,3625.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But it was unfortunate because after she told me that, I was like, it was no fun anymore. But I never had a problem walking from there to the kwoon as we called it. We traveled a lot there too, because we would travel to tournaments and we would travel to the Pacific Women's Martial Arts camps. It was martial arts and it was all women. It was amazing. Every type of martial arts was represented there. You'd have the best women in that field of Aikido, Kung Fu and Judo and Karate, and Taekwondo. I remember there was a style we called, they called river fighting. It was done a lot on the ground because that style was developed in a very slippery, muddy area. The women often had their hands on the ground and fought from the ground.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3625.5,3696.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Where were those gatherings?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3696.18,3699.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: It was Pacific Association of Women's Martial Arts, PAWMA it was called PAWMA. Anywhere along the Pacific. It could be down in San Francisco, Seattle. It was here once, but that was after I was out of the loop. Still going, which Nadia Telsey would know about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3700.5,3725.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What years did you say finish working at the bakery?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3728.36,3732.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: I was done tree planning in like ‘79/’80, tree planting was ‘80/’82. I think the Kung Fu started right about then I went to— I'm saying 1990, but I actually took it, I still train in what I learned there. Even though I'm not in Amazon Kung Fu, it's dissolved. The two instructors went north and south. During the recession, one woman moved north, Moon and started Seven Stars Kung Fu. The other, Coleen Gregan moved to South San Francisco and started a women’s martial arts school down there. Then we were left here, Linda Mac and I and we still trained and we had belt tests. Then Linda left and then I moved and still had stuff from the kwoon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3734.18,3792.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then finally I took it up to Seven Star where Moon was, and gave them the mats, the padded mats. I think I gave them mirrors.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3792.73,3806.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Equipment and stuff to help them when we stopped. But I learned a soft style called liangong at the PAWMA Camp. I still do that after all these years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3806.62,3823.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you do that with other people?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3823.67,3825.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: No just do it on my own.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3825.51,3826.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you feel a loss of community these days?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3826.64,3835.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: No, but I do miss— there was a magic then. There were women construction, women automotive, women trucking. It really was amazing. I was so glad I was part of that, but I'm fine now. A lot of women in my life, a lot of my blood family moved here, my mom, my sister, my brother. Even though I hitchhiked here with no roots over time they all came here. My blood family's here big time, I’ve nieces and nephews— they're all here. I think that probably fills that gap of the nurturing. When there's a woman's event and I'll go, my partner will go and we'll probably get, there might be three faces from the past. I know they're all here. A lot of those women are still here. I go to events and I feel like I'm the only one still doing it. That feels funny. You go to Gay Pride, I see maybe three or four people, all the young women fortunately.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3839.61,3930.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Why do you think this is?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3931.24,3934.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: I don't know. I'm like, where are you? Why don't you come to— Trying to think. Well, if there's a woman comedian in town that turns out a lot like Suzanne Westenhoefer, Kate Clinton. We just did Olivia, 45th anniversary, and there's Ferron and Chris Williamson and Suzanne Westenhoefer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3934.46,3957.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You did Olivia was it—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3957.78,3960.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: Just this year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3960.09,3961.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You did a cruise or a concert?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3961.93,3963.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: A cruise. The forty-fifth anniversary cruise. I did see five Eugene women there. But I don't know why the turnout isn't, I don't see more faces. Maybe they go to events and wonder where I am, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3963.91,3986.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Some people have talked about as lesbians and gay people became more assimilated, more accepted, there's less of the pressure to bring people together. What do you think about that as a theory?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3986.26,3998.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: I think that's part of it. I think also isolation I think. I'm in Twelve Step a lot and that was a big part of the whole era. I know we talked about drugs and isolation. If someone drinks, going out socially takes effort. In my case because I have blood family here, I have lunch with my blood sisters every week, once a week. I get really filled up. Myeba was doing, we would meet four times a year for the Equinox and Solstice, and she is doing— When her partner died, Rhys, that was really hard for all of us. Especially hard for her. But she is doing Circle this month, and it's like “Oh, Circle, Circle.” That’ll be good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=3999.56,4075.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What were you doing from, well I think we got up to 1990. What have you been doing in Eugene in the last twenty years?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=4076.56,4084.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: I drove a van, preschool van for Pearl Buck Center, which helps develop mentally challenged children and adults. Now the children I transported were children, generally of parents that may have gotten pregnant but can't really raise a child, so they get the help. I would pick up a preschool route, and it was really awesome because it was in the morning and the afternoon. Then I went to the LCC, the Lane Community College for a couple of years and then U of O. Then I graduated with a degree in Spanish and a teaching certificate. Then I taught Spanish at the high schools till 2016, and I retired. I still sub. Tomorrow I'm having lunch with a bunch of my teaching friends. I did teach in Springfield, and I did teach when Springfield passed that Measure, Measure 9— I don't remember the number, but it was nasty. No special rights for homosexuals. I was working there then, and I had short hair, really short hair. I dressed as close to hippy as I could. I had all this political background.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=4084.96,4182.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They targeted a woman at Thurston Middle, and I was working at Hamlin Middle. I remember teaching, so this would be 1989, 1990.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=4182.97,4196.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They had passed that legislation and they were the OCA, which was Oregon, they called themselves the Oregon Citizens Alliance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=4200.4,4206.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We called them the Oregon Christian Alliance, they were just terrible. They were picketing out at Thurston Middle about there was a lesbian PE teacher. She was not in any of our stuff. She was so mainstream blend in and she was still targeted.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=4206.61,4225.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I remember sitting at a faculty meeting like this, and they were talking about what was happening out at Thurston and the picketing and the school policy around it. I remember folding over sobbing. It just came on me. I felt like that could've been me. It would've been ten times worse because if they looked at any of my history, it would've been nasty. In their standards, not my standards. Because I was just so much more out. But I remember sobbing and I remember these women coming up and they're like, “We got you, we got your back.” I was just like, wow. I remember even the principal at the school wrote me a card saying I've got your back. I was like jeez, that was tough.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=4226.04,4278.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: You were out to your colleagues at the school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=4279.01,4284.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: By then I was, I wasn't out, but I wasn't in, I was just like myself. I didn't talk about my life, but people knew. But then shortly thereafter, not shortly, but after probably about seven years, I went to the high schools. I really did not want to lead the Gay Kids Alliance, but they were like, “Could you lead the Gay Kids Alliance?” I'm like, “Just because I'm the lesbian? I don't want to do that.” I just felt I didn't want to draw any attention to myself. I just wanted my life. But I did. I did the GSA as they were called, Gay Student Alliance, which U of O does such an awesome teach-out. I went all out. When we had field trips, we went to—Nike would do “Gay Nike.” We'd go up and they'd have all the high schools from all over Oregon come. They would give them shoes and backpacks and food and show them three stream things of gay athletes. These are sixteen-year-olds, fourteen year olds going up seeing this. They would always have a guest speaker that was like Bruce Jenner at the time he was Bruce. I didn't understand then, but I do now why he was the featured speaker. He [another young man] wrote a book and he was sixteen. He found an early detection to pancreatic cancer at the age of sixteen, and he wrote a book about, you can do this. He was a featured speaker. They would just shower these high school gay kids who were getting bullied at school. They would go to Nike and they would have the most amazing day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=4284.93,4411.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What years was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=4411.68,4412.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: I would say that was early 2000s, late ‘90s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=4413.76,4418.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: You were teaching at a high school then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=4418.5,4420.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=4420.16,4421.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What high school was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=4422.91,4423.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: Me?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=4423.32,4423.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=4423.67,4424.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: I taught at Springfield High and Thurston High. I was at Thurston High during the shooting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=4424.38,4429.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you just say something about that for people who don't know what that was?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=4429.57,4433.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: There was a school shooting at Thurston High. It was early in the school shootings. Kip Kinkle came on campus, killed two kids and wounded twenty-two others, killed his parents. He is in jail now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=4433.18,4452.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They're trying to commute his sentence of some sort. Then Columbine happened a few months later. We were May 21, and they were, I think they were the following year, but it was close.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=4453.36,4471.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: You were at the high school, was that Thurston? You were at the high school when this happened. How did you find out it was happening when you were at that school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=4472.89,4483.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: That was the one day I was home sick. The magic in my life is unreal. A friend of mine, a lesbian who teaches at another school calls my house. Why she would call my house when I would've been at work? But she called my house at 8:30 and I said, “Why are you calling me?” She said, “There's been a shooting at your school.” I said, “Oh my God.” I knew Kip, I had Kip Kinkle as a student. His parents were Spanish teachers so they were my peers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=4483.66,4515.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I said, “Oh my God, I got to hang up. I've got to call my mom because she's going to see this.” If she hadn't have called me, why she called at home? Crazy. I wouldn't have been able to call my mom and say, “Have you seen the news?” She said, “No.” I said, “Good, I'm home. I'm alive.” All the cousins and everybody, aunts and uncles calling and saying, \"Gladys teaches at that school, oh my God.\" No one had to panic about whether I was alive or dead, because they kept saying that Spanish teacher, because Faith Kinkle had been killed. Just that so weird that she called me. To this day I'm like, no reason for her to call my home, which she had almost never done. She was part of the drum group. It allowed me to notify my mom who then did not have to die of a heart attack, which she probably would have.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=4517.52,4568.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What was Kip Kinkle like as a student?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=4568.84,4571.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: I always say in my list of top ten, he would not have been on it. He was a jovial little silly guy. Though I did have stuff in my file, I had a file called student concerns. In there was a photocopy of two things he had done when they did tests. They turned it over and while he was waiting, he doodled, and he doodled a person with a spot right here. I did photocopy, I did keep it, I did think it was odd, but not enough to think he's going to be a school shooter. He was really a likable kid. Then the other was, he wrote in, we had these workbooks. I got this workbook from another student and it says, I'm going to shoot you on the head and kill you. I told that student, I said, “That is a horrific thing and I need to you to write a letter of apology.” He said, “I didn't write that, Kip did.” Because he had been sitting there and Kip had just leaned over and written this thing. I photocopied it and put it in a file called his mom, and we didn't think anything of it. Kip was good he goes, “I was just goofing off. I don't mean any of that. We were just being silly.” But both of those items I turned over to the FBI when they came and said, “Does anybody have anything?” I said, no idea. In retrospect, I'm like God sure. But at the time, I mean Kip it seemed like a teenage boy might do that. But I did file it in my file. When I retired I'm like, what am I going to do with this? I have a Kip Kinkle file and I had a friend, Renee Cobb who was part of the women's community and she said, “I want that because I have more Kip stuff.” Because she had one of the kids that was killed was one of her students. But I remember it was women Take Back the Night march, because that'd be, yeah, because May 21. I remember I was home, I was sick. It was Thursday and they often did the March on Thursday. But I went to that rally at night because I really needed to be around strong women speaking out. It felt so good to be in that group of women. They were all speaking out so powerfully.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=4571.96,4741.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because they always did the march on Thursday and the shooting was on Thursday.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=4744.43,4748.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: I have a question back to the GSAs, because they were fairly new and I'm sure controversial in Springfield. I didn't even know they had GSAs in Springfield. We heard recently about the Love Makes a Family photo exhibit that went around during the Measures, and that they were not allowed at Springfield High or Thurston High or one of them. What did you see the experience of these gay kids in the Springfield schools was like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=4748.05,4776.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: The GSAs were big and active in Springfield, actually bigger and more active than in Eugene. Because I was always wanting to connect with Eugene. Now Eugene, it would fluctuate. For some reason I was there and did it for ten years. The other girl [woman] was very— she was a counselor, she wasn't a lesbian, but she was committed. She had a lot of lesbian friends, so she really wanted to make a stand. We really had a strong GSA. We had had a connect, we would get together. It was so empowering for them. They were so hungry for everything to do with we would have the day of silence. It's always fun. All the kids campus-wide would try to do the day of silence. They would think that if they accidentally spoke they blew it. I said, “No you can continue to be silent.” Teenagers really have to talk, so it was such a challenge for them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=4778.4,4860.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What's that supposed to signify when they're silent all day?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=4860.28,4862.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: Because we wanted gay allies to do that, so that they could experience what it's like to live the life of a lesbian or a gay man.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=4865.45,4876.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Not being able to talk about your life. That's so right on, because that was my life in the school district for the first ten years. Even yesterday I was talking— I had lunch with my family, sisters. It's always hard to understand which family you're talking about, so I say my blood family. My sister said, “You were always such a good listener.” I said, “I think I got really good skills at that from work.” Because I would talk with people and I could control that conversation they knew nothing about me, but there was this great conversation. I think it was just I didn't want them to know anything about my life, especially with the picketing and everything. But at the same time there was an advantage there. I was not in the drama. When stuff would be said and so-and-so and this and that, I wasn't in the drama. I really liked that. Besides it being oppressive, it was also emotionally safer in general, too. Little Peyton Place, the drama of work environments. I wasn't in that very much, so it was cool. 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Because when I would go to WinCo in Springfield to pick up groceries, I would have three parent conferences before I got out of there. I always thought it's better if I live there and work here. Thurston was way out there. I remember kids would say when I'd give directions how to get somewhere it’s like, how do I get there without going through Eugene? I heard there's a lot of hippies. 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I like the school district’s very down to earth basics. My sister was a bus supervisor, bus driver, bus supervisor. She said all the schedules that they have in 4J and this and that and early release and all this special that, it costs so much money. Because the busing was insane. Springfield was pretty much just 8:00 to 3:00, the basics, and yet had good results, I thought in the academics, outstanding science program. When all the school districts were cutting back, Springfield never did cut automotive, wood shop, drafting. They didn't cut those. Now you'll see in the news they're all going to Springfield because they still have those programs. How do you still have auto and how do you do drafting and woodshop and all that? Because they still have those classes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5019.53,5088.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: That's the measure to get those back into the high schools and nobody knows how to do it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5088.25,5092.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: They never gave up. They would let go of other things besides the, they're called CTE, the Career Technical Engineering, CTE.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5094.45,5105.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What was it like when Springfield voted in the anti-gay legislation?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5108.34,5115.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: I had no idea. I was just sitting there normal as could be, next thing I'm just sobbing because of that. It was so scary. But—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5117.66,5127.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Was that particularly about the city of Springfield voting in, not the ballot Measure 9?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5127.57,5134.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: Yeah, and they got it overturned legally. The people didn't turn it over. The legal system turned it over because it was discriminated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5134.21,5142.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They can't do that. But they were sure proud of it, and so was the OCA. Very proud of it. But teachers generally are very liberal. I just felt really supported. I mean for the principal to take the time to say we got you that really meant a lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5142.24,5164.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you have a partner through all this time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5164.05,5166.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: Yeah, but I went through a divorce. I was with someone for twelve years, went through divorce and see that doesn't get shared. At work you'll hear, so-and-so miscarried, so-and-so got a divorce.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5167.03,5183.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They didn't hear about my divorce. I had four miscarriages while I was teaching. I think maybe two during the whole AI thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5186.71,5194.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: The alternative insemination?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5194.87,5196.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: Yeah. Then they would all talk about, so-and-so had a miscarriage.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5196.63,5199.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm like, toughen up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5199.72,5201.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You didn't have that support of your personal life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5201.85,5206.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5206.14,5206.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: That's hard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5206.77,5207.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: But again I was out of the gossip. I was not in the gossip and I think that made it easier in some ways.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5207.98,5218.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you ever get married?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5218.59,5219.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: Yes. Several times. We did the one in Portland where everybody was racing up there. That was so fun because when was that? Two thousand four, six? We raced up there. Actually they were racing up there, and then three weeks later we're like, they're still doing it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5221.67,5240.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay, let's go up there. We were greeted with a guy dressed as a fairy giving out wedding cake. He was on roller blades and his wedding cake. We went in and got married and Oregon law says you have to get your license and you have to go— it was all organized. Then we went to the other place where they had every denomination and you're in line again. We come up and they have this list and they said, “Do you want Methodist, Christian, Pagan, Wiccan?” They had all these different religions. We said, “Well, we'll go pagan.” “Okay, sit over there.” We sat down and we're waiting, and there was a long line for the pagan. A lot of people wanted pagan. This woman walks by and she has this rainbow sash, and she just looked gorgeous. We said, “Well, who are you?” She said, “I'm the Methodist minister.” We were like, “We'll go with her.” She didn't have a line, and we both have Methodist backgrounds. I have very little religion, but that was probably the one kind of church we'd go to on Easter. We went with the Methodist minister because she didn't have a line and she just radiated awesome energy. Then they refunded our money and everything. 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The gal at my HR in Springfield school district took the time to tell me if you get married, you get all these benefits. We're all like, okay, we're going to Washington. We're not going to wait for Oregon. We went Washington. I can't remember, but it increased, it saved us hundreds of dollars a month being married, hundreds of dollars. It was only because she took the time to say, “You really should do this and here's why.” She wasn't a lesbian. Good for her. She had good head on her shoulders.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5321.12,5388.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You're already retired now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5388.27,5390.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5390.12,5390.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How's that for you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5391.12,5392.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: It's very nice. I sub though, to make ends meet. Got to go on the Olivia cruise. Myeba's having her circles again. It feels like, and this whole the archiving thing, seeing Susie Grimes. There's time to reconnect. That may be part of the whole thing too, is that when we were working together as women, but when we all got into our jobs, that became our lives more than— I mean, the simulation definitely part of it. My whole life was, there wasn't much room besides teaching. Now that we're retired, I'm seeing people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5392.46,5441.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you have thoughts about aging as a lesbian?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5441.56,5447.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: Yeah. Helping my— mom passed with Parkinson's. Seeing my sisters I have two sisters older and three younger. Two younger, brother younger. Seeing us age. It's a concern.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5447.5,5468.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you have any specific concerns as a lesbian?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5469.6,5471.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: The only is having maybe students that weren't so fond of me as a teacher, somehow ending up in a nursing home and they're working there. That's my only far out probably not going to happen fear. Other than that, I'm all about care facilities. I don't mind. I tell my partner, “I do not mind if I'm in a care facility and I don't need you to visit me every single day.” I think some people have that feeling like, I would never put my mom in a nursing home, visiting every— I did visit my mom. Being retired I got to see my mom almost every day. That was, I think that makes saying goodbye a lot easier. I can let go. But she had to be in a care facility. Just in terms of the Hoyer lifts and cleaning. She needed that twenty-four hour care that some people do at home, and can make it work, but it takes a lot. I have a niece who lives locally who does at home care. It's called Addus Home Care, and so she places— That is a wonderful thing that the emphasis is on stay at home as long as you can. That is the emphasis and that is a good thing. At some point you may need, I really am glad that we have Death with Dignity in Oregon and actually all in the Northwest and California.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5471.07,5588.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That is a beautiful thing. I think I would rather have death with dignity than be like my mom for two years with Parkinson's. It was a nice place. I mean she got to sit at a dinner place and know people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5590.13,5607.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Where was she living?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5607.34,5608.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: It was called Gateway Gardens I think. They have small, no more than I think there's twelve people max and they all eat together. Or you can eat in your room, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5609.23,5624.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Many people in these interviews have had a vision of collective living again in old age. Either taking over a floor of the Eugene Hotel or maybe the Springfield Gateway place. Do you have any ideas about collective living or communal living again?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5626.9,5643.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: It does sound good to be in a living situation like that, it does. I think because in my peer group, I don't think there'll be too many lesbian issues. 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I know at my mom's, a number of the staff were GSA kids.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5675.65,5682.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They were drawn to that. They were like hey Jessica. I knew so many of them and they would like, your mom's been, and I just walked in and knew three out of the ten staff. They were all GSA kids. 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If you were to give some advice or life wisdom to a young person who is watching this video, would you have anything specific to say?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5709.87,5727.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: Well, to young kids generally I tell them posture, think about your posture. I used to write on the board in my last few years I would write stick figures and write “postura,” and they knew it. You'd see the kids like, because they slump. Our posture. But in terms of lesbians, a lot of kids would come out to me. It's probably not politically correct in terms of like supporting those young lesbians, I just was really adamant about, you don't have to worry about labels. You don't. They would change. They'd be lesbian one day and then they would be bi and then they'd be straight. They would just be all over the map. I think at that age they're dying for labels.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5729.05,5782.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They want to be labeled. But I kept telling them, “You don't have to be anything. You don't have to be lesbian, gay, bi. Now there are so many labels. A friend and I were in the Samba where the older girls in the Samba we're in our sixties. This young guy, he's in his thirties, he was telling us about his relationship. “I have multiple lovers.” We looked at him and we were like, “Yeah we have that too.” You couldn't even say you were in a couple. I mean, if you said you were in a couple, in the end of the ‘70s and ‘80s, you were banned. You could not be monogamous. Remember this, I don't know if you know this one, “monogamy, schmonogamy,” the music. It was just funny for him to look at us. I do feel aging. I'm like, I'm the same person, but I'm looking different, and so they're getting treated differently. No one asked for senior discount. I always get senior discount now, which I like. I'm like, wow great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5782.63,5867.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We do need it at least I need it. But we just chuckled at how he thought he was so unique. 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I don't think he really bought into what we were saying that we did the same thing or similar things when we were younger. I think he more thought, you don't really know what I'm talking about. Maybe we don't, but maybe we do. I did have in terms of words of wisdom, because I was around a lot of high schoolers and especially lesbian, gay, transgender.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5880.31,5917.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'll be downtown and there'll be some, I've seen a number of the boys dressed up in drag come through. 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As opposed to men at work we were Womyn at Play. We had a sign like women at play look like men it was still a street sign. But I remember one of our struggles, one of the women did not want to spell it with a Y. We said W-O-M-Y-N Womyn.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=5975.65,6000.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Didn't have a problem with, but one woman had a big problem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=6002.39,6005.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She goes, “Well, they'll think we're all lesbians. That's a lesbian way of spelling.” We're like, “What's wrong with that?” But she was so adamant of not spelling it. I think she was just so threatened of being seen as lesbian. But fortunately everybody was on board with it. She actually faded away and didn't feel connected to the group.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=6005.14,6029.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She was so adamant about spelling it. W-O-M-E-N. We spelled it with a Y, and we got together, we did workshops at Mother Kali’s Books. It was way fun. We did a CD. 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My partner at the time was “caretaking” me, but I was wanting her to join a group on her own and have her own identity. I didn't join Soromundi. Had her join and it was really good for her— caretaking, again. There was another reason I didn't want the drama of a collective, lots of drama. I'm a Capricorn, working class. Drama's just not a good fit for me. Even in my family, we don't have high drama. My blood family. We got married, I have a partner now. We've been together twenty-five years and we do Twelve Step. We're in a Twelve Step group specifically for couples. Where we talk about couples issues, money, sex, child-rearing, housekeeping and stuff. We are actually putting on— we went to the convention in Sweden just a few weeks ago in August. We're putting on the international convention in Portland next summer in August.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=6069.03,6158.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: That's not a women's group, that's just couple of any kind?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=6159.77,6161.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: No, but when we came in there, it was so supportive because generally as a lesbian couple you're fighting this people who don't want you together. This energy of family members who don't like it. You go into recovering couple's anonymous and they're like, stay together. Here we're going to give you all these tools, stay together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=6161.37,6190.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was really a good thing for us to get the reverse energy because we've been doing it for fifteen years. To have that energy was exactly the reverse of what the world was doing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=6191.25,6210.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How was your family about it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=6210.34,6212.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: I was really reluctant to come out to them, and I did in a letter. 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They were living in San Diego area. She said, “I will not come there. I will not sleep with you if you don't come out to your family.” I didn't. I couldn't do it. Then after that I'm like I wrote them a letter, dear family letter. They were like, as long as you're happy, that's what they told me. I'm sure it wasn't the ideal. But my oldest sister had a baby out of wedlock. My second sister ran away and started living with a guy. I had this ideal, like I was going to do it right, and then I was a lesbian. That's not right. I couldn't win. There was a lot of guilt there. Third child, lesbian.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=6227.45,6292.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: But they've all come to live with you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=6292.69,6296.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: Yeah. My older sister eventually has a woman partner, never part of the whole women's movement, which I think is a whole different reality. But she's happy. She was married and had kids, but as soon as the kids graduate, boom, she dropped that and then start living with this woman. It's really good. They're all very supportive. Life is good. You have heard horror stories probably by, I remember a woman, she came out to her family and they cut off all communication with her and sold her cemetery plot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=6296.33,6339.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Was that a woman in the community?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=6341.43,6344.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: I think she was living down in Roseburg, but she was coming up here for the drum circles I think. But how extreme, people get cut off and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=6345.51,6355.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Or want you now with us or never.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=6355.11,6357.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: Never healed that wound. My mom always was very strong woman and my dad's family, he had four sisters and only one married and she was the boss of the house. All the women, my two aunts live together. They were all very strong women that had jobs and lives and traveled.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=6357.7,6386.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: They could have been in Full Moon Rising.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=6386.67,6391.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: Yes! They were nurses and teachers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=6391.11,6396.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Is there anything else that we haven't covered now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=6396.65,6402.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Campbell: No, this is so emotionally healing. It's awesome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=6402.52,6407.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Thank you so much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=6407.78,6409.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Thank you very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=6409.39,6410.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[END OF INTERVIEW]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249#t=6411.05,6411.16"}]},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/55968/file/130249/transcript/92570/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/570/original/759_Coll520_do008_aligned.vtt?1776852346","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/570/original/759_Coll520_do008_aligned.vtt?1776852346"}]}]}]}