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She had an idyllic childhood with loving parents. She went to the University of Oregon where she majored in theater and graduated in 1974. She came out to herself after college while she was living in London. Back in Eugene, Debby got a job as a nurse's aide in Eugene, and began a friendship with Lynn Pinckney. At the University of Oregon, she did a one-woman play titled \"Bobbie Sue Divine LSBN,\" which the student group Gay and Lesbian Alliance (GALA) booked on campus. Debby discusses women's music and working with the University of Oregon Cultural Forum and Student Activities from 1981 to 2004. This work made her realize the importance of coming out. In the early 1990s she worked against Ballot Measure 9, particularly through her work with WYMPROV! In 1992, she started the UO Queer Film Festival. Debby brought \"Safe Zone\" magnets to UO and across the country. She presented early LGBT educational sessions at professional conferences, and was involved with the national steering committee for LGBT concerns. Debby retired in 2007.\n\nKey terms: Amateur theater; Buddhism; Coleman, Edwin Leon, 1932- ; Feminist bookstores; Homophobia; Improvisation (Acting); Marriage equality; McMillan, Adell; Mother Kali's Books; Queer Film Festival; Sound of Lesbians, The; Transgender people; Willamette Folk Festival; Women's music."]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Debby Martin (Interviewee)","Judith L. Raiskin (Interviewer)","Linda Long (Interviewer)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["In Copyright"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["https://scua.uoregon.edu/repositories/2/archival_objects/607018"]}},{"label":{"en":["Type"]},"value":{"en":["Moving Image"]}}],"summary":{"en":["The Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project Collection consists of interviews of 83 people for the Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project, conducted by Professor Judith Raiskin and Curator Linda Long at the University of Oregon starting in the summer of 2018."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["In Copyright"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["University of Oregon Libraries"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/029/original/uo-logo-hires.png?1580744881","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/130/327/small/Coll520_do030.jpg?1637165548","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - Coll520_do030.mp4"]},"duration":5235.776,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/130/327/small/Coll520_do030.jpg?1637165548","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-universityoforegonlibraries.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/130/327/original/Coll520_do030.mp4?1637165548","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":5235.776,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["780_Coll520_do030_aligned [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: This interview is part of Eugene Lesbian Oral History project. The recordings will be made available through the University of Oregon Libraries’ Special Collections and University Archives.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=0.06,15.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is an oral history interview with Debby Martin on August 31, 2018, taking place in the University of Oregon Libraries’ recording studio in the Center for Media and Educational Technologies. The interviewers are Linda Long, Curator of Manuscripts in the UO Libraries Special Collections and University Archives and Professor Judith Raiskin of the UO Department of Women's, Gender and Sexuality Studies. Debby, please let us know if you agree to be recorded for this project and that you give your permission for the university to preserve and make available your recorded and transcribed interview.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=16.01,51.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Yes, I do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=51.73,52.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Thank you very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=52.35,53.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: You're welcome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=53.48,54.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Let's just start with a basic question. Can you please tell us where you were born and when you were born and where you grew up?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=54.06,61.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Right. I was actually born in North Bend, Oregon, December 1951.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=61.32,66.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And actually I have lived in Oregon my whole life. My parents moved around a little bit. My dad actually was a World War II vet and had gone to school with the GI Bill and decided to teach American history in high school. And so he kind of went around to different cities trying to find the right fit. And they found that in Corvallis. So, when I was in the second grade, we moved to Corvallis and that's where I grew up. I have one older brother, and I really had one of those kind of found out rather rare, idyllic childhoods with very supportive and loving parents and Corvallis is a great place to grow up. It's small enough, but it's nice to move on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=68.12,124.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I moved on to the big city of Eugene and went to the University of Oregon, and majored in theater. I had a great time here at the U of O as a student in theater. I mean, theater is all consuming. And thinking about my awareness as far as being a lesbian, I had absolutely no context in the '70s in Oregon. There was really nothing in your environment to support the fact that I look back and I see myself getting crushes on women, but there was no context for it and so nothing happened. But luckily, I also was not in a crowd that went to the prom and insisted on me having dates and stuff like that. So, it's kind of an advantage of having supportive parents, letting you do whatever you want to do and being in the theater crowd, which is kind of counterculture. So I felt no pressure. And even all through going to the U of O, no context for being gay at the time. I was so involved in theater, perhaps if I had looked out more, I would have seen something, but I didn't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=124.02,206.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: But I would think that theater is where the gay kids would be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=206.69,209.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Well, in retrospect, they were. I still am in touch with a lot of friends. And it turns out some of them were gay. But nothing was going on as far as my life, but I think perhaps I was slightly naive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=209.55,227.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was happy and so I didn't care. And it was interesting. So I had a great time in theater and then I would spend summers in Corvallis working in the cannery earning some extra money and so when I graduated, I went to this summer program in London at the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art, which was very cool. And I had such a good time that I— No, no, no, no, that was after my sophomore year. And so I decided I wanted to go back when I graduated to London because it was such a fantastic place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=227.24,267.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: If I could just interrupt, what year was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=267.86,269.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: That when I first went to London?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=271.06,272.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: So you graduated from UO in 1974?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=272.25,274.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Nineteen seventy-four. Went back to London and ran out of money, spent my last— Okay, it's going to be hard not to go off on tangents. But, I spent my last penny to see the cabaret show of Marlene Dietrich live. And I was a big film buff and I love Marlene Dietrich movies. It was kind of like the Last Supper because I was like, I mean, Elton John was there and here I was, I had one little dress that I brought. And it was a fantastic show. She was incredible. And then—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=274.8,317.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How old was she then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=317.51,318.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: She was old. It was her last performance, live performance before she went into her hermit stage. So I can remember walking up to the stage and it wasn't a huge place, and people were throwing roses up and I just went up to look closer and you could tell in your closer that she had created a complete and total image that wasn't real. That beauty and that assurance. And then when the show was over and you looked up and she was slightly not in the lights, it was like she's an old woman, but how incredible that she has created this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=318.68,360.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anyway, I wanted to stay and you couldn't get a work permit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=361.05,367.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so I was busking. I brought my guitar and I was busking in the subway. And somebody told me I could be an Au Pair and stay, because you don't need a work permit. So that— awesome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=367.09,384.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I looked in the paper, I got an Au Pair job. And so I stayed another year and a half. The reason I mentioned it is because at that time, I had my first relationship with a woman. It was the older woman that was the night nurse for the women I took care of as an Au Pair. So it kind of came together for me there in 1975 about and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=384.22,409.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What can you— What was that like? Can you describe it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=411.4,415.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Well, it was like— we both— it was both our first relationship with a woman. And for some reason, I was kind of cast in a role of being the experienced one. So, it was very cool. It lasted for a while and the interesting thing is she came— I was ready to come home after about a year and a half, was kind of homesick. She came with me for— she’d always wanted to see the Grand Canyon. So I said, \"Okay, come on, we'll go see the Grand Canyon.\" My parents were lending us their car so that we could, you know. So, I remember very clearly. She was upstairs and she said, \"You have to tell your parents about us.\" I never had and I said— \"Or,\" she said, \"I will jump out the window.\" I said, \"Okay.\" She was a little crazy. So I went downstairs and I told my mom and that became a period though of— it was a very progressive household, but in the '70s, that just wasn't on the radar. And so it was a bumpy coming out process with my parents. She eventually went back to England.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=415.08,494.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But then—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=494.13,494.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Well, how old was she?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=495.23,496.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: She was in her forties, probably mid-forties. So, she was much older than me. And I think my parents thought— they told me afterwards when we kind of talked about it. They were afraid for me because she was older. When in fact, I had played that role of instigator and everything. So, she eventually went back to England though, and I went on with my life and I decided just to come back to Eugene because I loved Eugene and I had a moment of trying to decide if I was going to pursue a career in theater. I thought, I don't think I'm up for that. I don't think I want to do that. I would rather stay in Eugene, have fun doing things and not have that pressure. Anyway, because I didn't want to be in L.A. or New York. So—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=496.08,547.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was Eugene like at this time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=547.22,551.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Well, when I got back from London, it seemed like the economy was extremely depressed. I can't remember what recession that was, but, man, I couldn't find a job. And that's about all I really remember. It was— I wasn't very politically— Well, I can't say that. I was very politically active even when I was at the U of O marching in Vietnam demonstrations and getting tear gassed and stuff like that, but I was just trying to find a job. Even though I had been involved with a woman, my identity as a lesbian still wasn't there. I just didn't think about it. There was nothing in my environment. Then I finally, after being on unemployment and all this kind of stuff, got a job as a nurse's aide and there was a lesbian couple there that I became friends with that were very out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=551.04,618.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Actually, Lynn Pinckney, you know Lynn?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=619.62,622.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=622.5,622.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: And Debbie Kester. I think that began my awareness and comfort in this community. So I began seeing other women and stuff like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=622.6,642.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Where would you meet people?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=642.51,643.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Sports. I'm sure that— gosh, everybody must be talking about softball and basketball and hooking—. Well, anyway, I met more people through that. Debbie and Lynn and then my basketball team and my softball team. It seemed like the general atmosphere in Eugene, the time was very open. I mean, it wasn't a big deal. It wasn't a hush-hush thing to meet someone and you just knew.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=645.16,674.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You didn't have to \"Are you gay?\" No, nobody did that. You just started hanging out with people. I thought of something in the shower this morning for the first time and that was when I was friends with Debbie and Lynn, Lynn did really wonderful watercolors. And I said to her, \"I'll make you deal. I'll give you a little performance in your living room, if you paint me a watercolor. And so we did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=674.13,706.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I did monologues that I had kind of been familiar with or had done in my days at the U of O Theater Department. But one of them I wrote and it was called Requiem for a Lesbian, I think. No, Requiem for Bobby Sue Divine, LSBN. Don't ask me that. So that though became then a one woman show I did just a few times and I wrote music for it. I wrote songs, and a friend of mine from basketball, Pat McLaughlin, and her partner, Melissa Mentzer, were very good singers and Pat was a good guitar player. So I wrote like— I can't remember, like six songs or something, and performed this show, Bobby Sue Divine LSBN.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=707.49,763.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had gone from the nursing home to my first clerical job at the U of O at what used to be called the Main Desk Store. I became aware of the Gay and Lesbian Alliance, I think it was called, the student group, and asked if they would book my show. They said, \"Yeah.\" And so I can remember doing it in the Linder Room, that old Ben Linder Room in the EMU. I can remember being very aware of telling the people at work. So I was a little nervous, but it seemed like a very natural way to do it. Also at the time, I was in kind of my first serious long-term relationship, and so I kind of wanted people to know, and so that was kind of my coming out at work, and I never had any negative feedback for the next twenty- five years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=765.42,827.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was the show? What was it about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=827.6,828.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: It was a series of monologues and songs about a young lesbian. I was racking my brains. I didn't even remember this show until this morning in the shower, thinking about coming. I could only remember one song which starts out— Let's see, \"I'm in love and I really need her. I've got a crush on the head cheerleader,\" which is frankly a pretty awful lyric, but it's the only one I remember. I hope that, maybe some place, I might have a cassette of that show because it's got like all these songs and we performed it, what, in the '70s. We performed it in the Ben Linder Room and then we rented like the Eugene Flower Home something-something, and did it there. And then the only other time I remember doing it was we got booked in a bookstore in Sherman Oaks, California.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=829.32,896.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I was like “Road Trip!” and we all stuffed everything in a station wagon and went down there and did the show. And so that was fun. If I had heard about a show or something like that, I probably would have gone and really enjoyed it but there wasn't too much out there. Of course there was women's music, which I can remember being aware of at that time too, and having to play a pretty big role in being a part of that— even going to a show at the Wow Hall with Holly Near, or whoever, and then that translated into me being able to help book those kinds of shows when I worked at the Cultural Forum. I worked at the Main Desk and then I went to collections for a couple of years. Then my friend, Linda Dievendorf, said, \"Hey, Debby, there's a staff opening here at the Cultural Forum.\" And so I applied and I got that job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=897.79,961.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Boy, that was a big part of my evolving, even political or social awareness, of trying to be out as a lesbian and how important that was, and helping other people. Because when I first started working at the Cultural Forum, I worked with Linda and my direct boss, the Vice Director of the EMU was Frank Geltner, a wonderful, wonderful man who immediately asked me, \"Do you have a partner or significant other?\" Phrased in exactly those ways, which at the time was unusual. And I said, \"Yes, I do.\" And so it was easy to come out and then not long after that, he was very active in a professional organization called Association of College Unions International, which is basically everybody that works in student activities, which is a pretty big group.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=962.83,1035.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He said, \"ACUI has just started a steering committee for gay and lesbian concerns.\" He said, \"Do you want to be on it?\" I said, \"Okay.\" And so I was on the regional one for the Northwest. One of the big reasons I said okay, was the summer planning meeting was in Calgary, Canada, which sounded very cool. So anyway, that started a couple of decades of trying to be very proactive and helping people on campus as a staff person and also as a student advisor to be very proactive in creating a safe and positive environment for gay and lesbian students, and later on trans students. So I found that work very rewarding. I remember—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=1036.27,1094.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Debby, could you explain what the Cultural Forum actually was?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=1095.42,1099.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Yes. At the time, EMU Cultural Forum was the student programming office.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=1099.65,1104.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And the EMU is the Erb Memorial Union.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=1104.32,1105.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Erb Memorial Union. Yeah. Virtually, every campus, even community colleges have some form of student programming office. And so the cool thing about an association like ACUI is you network and learn from each other. So I actually did a lot of that on the programming side, but being on the steering committee, first, the regional one and then the national one, gave me an opportunity to really— the main thing was to create educational sessions at these conferences to help people learn about their gay and lesbian students on campus, particularly at campuses where, not like the U of O.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=1105.5,1161.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At the time, they had just started the Dean of Students Educational Support Services position for gay and lesbian. They had started that position. Jackie Balzer was the first person and then Stephanie Carnahan, whom I'm still very good friends with. Boy, we did— we called them “Homo 101 Sessions,” because it was for— at first, you had to be brave to come to those sessions. There weren’t that many people that came. At first, the people that came to the ed sessions were the people on the steering committee.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=1165.29,1207.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What were the ed sessions?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=1207.36,1208.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Like I remember the first one I did for a national conference was lesbians in history. Gosh, talk about archives. What was that guy's name? Harry Hay— are you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=1208.31,1221.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yeah, in San Francisco.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=1221.05,1222.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Yeah, didn't he have some kind of archive or collect?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=1222.89,1227.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: There is LGBT archives in San Francisco.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=1227.03,1232.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Right. Anyway, from somewhere, I got this information, and I got little stickers. And it's like also I remember really is talking about Eleanor Roosevelt and Sappho, but there must have been other people. So that was the first one I gave. But then I started working with Stephanie and she would present an ed session that was like, how to work with gay and lesbian students. How to advise gay and lesbian students. I would start doing ed sessions on how to program gay and lesbian events. I remember doing a little slideshow with the cassette tape with other women's music people. I get in touch with the bookers and they would send me all their info and I would tell people, \"Just book Hunter Davis,” you don't have to advertise it as a lesbian folk singer.\" But I said, \"Believe me, lesbians will come and they'll feel empowered, and like a sense of community and that will start things on your campus.\" So we did a lot of things like that and it was rewarding for me and then I also, I remember discovering the Safe Zone magnets, which were a little magnet with a green circle and a pink triangle in it. As a staff person, you just put that on your file cabinet and you wouldn't have to explain it unless someone asked you. But again lesbian students would then feel— at least when I saw that, feel just a little bit more welcome and unafraid and if they had to ask for some assistance about something relating to that, then that person might be able to help them. I remember talking to Frank about it, and I said, \"Frank, I want to send a memo out to the entire staff at the U of O, and say, ‘If you want a safe zone magnet, let me know and I'll give you one.’\" We talked about it for a while because there was some concern that maybe a homophobic person would put one up on purpose. I said, \"You know something? I don't think so.\" I mean, we're in the middle of all the ballot measures, all that stuff. And I said, \"This will just— let’s just see what happens.\" If somebody asks for one that I don't know who they are, I can probably find out. I mean, you're not talking about a big deal. So he said, \"Yeah, go ahead, send out the memo.\" And also Adele McMillan, at the time, was the Director of the EMU who was very supportive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=1232.66,1405.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: There were stickers for doors to for a faculty?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=1405.93,1409.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Yes, yeah. Yeah. So I think it was a good program. I can't remember when we started it, but—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=1409.54,1419.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What was the response to the email?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=1419.34,1421.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: It was very— well, there wasn’t email at the time. This is a hard copy letter. But talk about— I was thinking maybe I have a cassette somewhere that show it and I'm like, \"How would I play— right. Probably we have to go to Goodwill and get, you know.\" Anyway, the response was positive. It wasn't overwhelming. It wasn't a lot, but you began to see them popping up here in there. So, and then I know that I began meeting other gay and lesbian staff people. And so it wasn't a huge deal, not at the U of O. When we made this available to the National Association, that was interesting, and some people were quite afraid. I said, \"Then don't do it. It's okay. It's all right.\" And my experiences with these ed sessions and— And then we had a lot of other people say, \"Yeah, I'll do this. I'll do this and present at the conferences.\" I remember, I have to tell you a story about— we were in Pocatello, Idaho for the regional conference, and that's kind of conservative country. And so Stephanie did her Homo 101 ed session, and I said, \"How'd it go?\" She said, \"It went great. There's quite a few people there.\" I was talking to her about it, and this woman walked up to her and said, \"I just went to your ed session, and I thought it was really good.\" Stephanie said, \"Well, I thank you so much.\" And the women said, \"I just want you to know, though, that you're going to burn in hell.\" Steph said, \"Well, thanks for letting me know.\" So, I don't know. Times like that, you kind of think I guess we're doing some good here. I remember also a high point kind of was this big burly guy that was from, I can't remember the school in Bozeman, which is—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=1421.52,1556.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Montana State.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=1556.75,1556.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Yeah, very different from the one in Missoula, kind of like here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=1556.78,1561.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Big burly guy is a nice guy and he came up to me once and he said, \"I appreciate your presence in our association because actually, I'm gay, but I'm still in the closet. But the things I've learned from you have helped me a lot, and I think I'm going to come out at work.\" And so that was very cool. So yeah, my work with ACUI was very rewarding. I really have to give a shout out to Frank and Adele, and later Dusty Miller. Although I had my problems with Dusty, he was very supportive of that work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=1562.8,1609.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because you had to have a budget to go all over the country for these meetings.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=1610.13,1615.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I also remember going to Boston. I can't remember it all what year, but we were going to meet with a trans woman. And so it was the first time we had started talking about trans issues. It was just the steering committee in Boston one summer. I learned so much, very early on about trans issues that helped me a lot when those issues started coming up with the students. I also never forget that. It was two women and two men on the steering committee. After the meeting, \"Wow, that's great. We got to add the T to our steering committee name. We have to start programming.\" I think we brought Kate, what's her name? Kate Bornstein?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=1615.91,1667.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Bornstein.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=1667.29,1667.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Yeah, to conference, to keynote and stuff like that. It was great. But after the meeting, \"Well, wow that's great. And what are you going to do?\" Guys went out dancing and we went to a Red Sox game.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=1667.37,1678.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Talk about gender roles. It's great, so we thought that's pretty funny. So anyway—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=1678.6,1684.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you remember what it was like for students on campus during the Ballot Measure 9?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=1685.67,1689.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: I don't. I remember what it was like for the staff. It was terrifying, frankly, it was terrifying. Because we hadn't always managed to successfully pass ballot measures that we had wanted to. We had managed to, well, except for the Springfield, there's that Springfield, one that passed. That was a negative one. And so we really didn't know which way it was going to go. I honestly don't remember what it was like for the students. I remember though thinking if it passes, I suppose— I just don't know. I mean, I couldn't do my job anymore, basically. And so I wouldn't stop doing my job. So how would that fall out? I mean, would they have to fire me? Would I go to court? Probably, all that would have happened. But it was quite terrifying and I'm sure the WYMPROV! ladies talk to you about doing benefits for No on 9.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=1690.87,1768.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sally and Enid are brilliant song parody writers. So we had the whole No on 9 songbook. That actually helped, being in WYMPROV!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=1769.17,1784.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you describe what WYMPROV! is?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=1784.57,1785.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Yeah, WYMPROV! is a four women comedy improv group. We started twenty-five years ago. And I'm kind of very conscious of the fact that you've interviewed the other three women because we were talking about it over Mahjong the other night that we were in WYMPROV! which is a very central focal part of my life anyway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=1785.73,1817.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And yet, we all had these different roles in the lesbian community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=1820.31,1824.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Enid, especially with her women's music show. Vicki did a lot of IMRU programming. Sally, oh my gosh, Sally was just ubiquitous.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=1825.37,1835.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She's like the “Eugene Lesbian,” whenever something came up, \"Hello, is this—\" You know with the Register-Guard, with the TV stations would be there filming. Sally was the go-to as well because of all of her activism, and I think me mostly on campus and so— When we started twenty-five years ago, they probably told you the story. We came from different ways into this group of women that just had gotten together to play improv games. And I had, after coming back from London, I'd been in a production of Romeo and Juliet, but I hadn't really done any theater. I was starting to really want to. So I noticed that Sally was doing a show, The Sound of Lesbians, how could you not notice that? I went to see it. And anyway, I thought, \"I don't want to just try out for a play. I want to do something different.\" I wasn't really enamored of the traditional theatrical format and so I said, \"I got to get together with Sally and say, ‘Let's do something, let's do a show!’\" We had— Cultural Forum had programmed Holly Near and Enid was introducing her as the women's music icon of— So after the show, I said, \"Hey, Enid,\" because I knew Enid was with Sally. I said, \"Tell Sally I want to get together and do some theater.\" And Enid goes, \"Oh, we're getting together to do this improv stuff,\" because they had booked Karen Williams. And had done improv stuff and so I said, \"Okay, I'll go.\" So, there was a group of women that were playing these improv games, and it was very fun and all of a sudden, somebody said, \"So when are we going to perform in front of people?\" And I'm like, \"What?\" It's like, I had kind of thought that you do this, and then you write something. I said, \"Wow, I never—\" I said, \"I guess I'm game,\" and people kind of dropped off like flies because they were too busy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=1835.54,1967.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But there was five of us and we took this picture in the Linder Room. I probably scheduled it to rehearse, right? And we took this picture of just our five heads above it like, \"Hello, here we are.\" And we start talking about our publicity about five lesbian improv group and one of them went, \"Oh, no, no, no, I can't do that. I teach in Springfield.\" So we said, \"Well, we understand, but I think that's kind of the route we're going to go.\" And so she said, \"Okay, I'm just going have to drop out.\" So we cut her head out of the picture. So our first picture ever has a little line in the middle of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=1968.1,2015.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I understand why she had to not do it. So that kind of was our consciousness from the beginning. \"Let's do this. Let's be four lesbians performing.\" And so that was it from the get-go. I can't— So, yeah. And so it was natural for us then to do benefits for No on 9. That's kind of where that all came from. So then I became a visible, I suppose, member of the lesbian community, which was cool. It was very cool. And so—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=2016.07,2056.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What kind of things were you booking for the university?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=2056.11,2059.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Yeah, I was going say, the way we ran the Cultural Forum at the time was very student centered, like the students did the booking, we back them up. But the students were totally into just booking anything, I mean. And so there would be a lot of like, what's her name? Annie Bright, the sex positive—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=2059.3,2093.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Susie Bright.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=2093.31,2093.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Susie Bright, has a great— Man, the ballroom was packed and she was fantastic. She was really good. She really opened my eyes to a lot of stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=2093.83,2103.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Annie Sprinkle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=2104.02,2104.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Annie Sprinkle. That's right. Yeah, yeah. Oh my gosh, she was fantastic. Stuff like that all the way to a lot of women's music. I remember being the first group to bring on Ani DiFranco and they— Just, we had a lot of great shows. And of course then, at a certain point, we started the Queer Film Festival. And boy, I think that was a good example of the students being ahead of the curve because that was the first use of the word queer in programming on campus. And it was kind of a big deal. And the students were like, \"Oh, it has to be, it has to be the Queer Film Festival.\" Now, it's not a big deal, but at the time, it was a big deal. And I said, \"Okay, I support you.\" It was also— I brought up, let's start a film— Gay and Lesbian Film Festival. They're the ones that— because at the time, those movies just weren't available. I mean, they just weren't. I think we had VCRs then. I can't remember.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=2105.46,2197.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Maybe not, maybe not. We had to book like sixteen millimeter prints and everything. There was no streaming, no digital, nothing. And so it was the only way to have these movies on campus was to book them through these places that had sixteen millimeter prints and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=2197.68,2218.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Around what time, what year was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=2219.78,2221.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: I do know that year. I do know that year and I don't know if I should tell this whole story but maybe I will. Because, was it— gosh, damn it. I thought I'd written that down. Okay, I don't know the year but I do want tell you because—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=2222.0,2253.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Well, we just had the twenty-sixth anniversary, twenty-sixth Queer Film Festival.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=2253.03,2256.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Okay, so yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=2256.71,2258.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Twenty-six years ago.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=2258.92,2259.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: We'll do the math. Yeah, twenty-six years ago. Sorry. The first year was hugely popular. Even though the first year, where the Wildish Theater is used to be a independent little film, not little but they showed movies there. And so I booked it. So the big final movie was this lesbian movie called Claire of the Moon, which is awful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=2259.9,2291.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it's okay, all the lesbians came. It was like huge crowd. By the end the movie though, they're screaming at the screen, because it was really, it really wasn't a very good movie. It's like it took like this whole movie for the woman to finally to kiss the other woman, and they're like screaming at it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=2291.82,2312.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And this is in Springfield that all the lesbians—.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=2312.63,2314.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: It is Springfield. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Anyway, it was fun, but it was a bad movie. So the interesting thing is the second year and we had a program and we put it all around campus and that was the second year was the first time we had some negative feedback from the campus. And it was Ed Coleman. And he wrote a letter that said, \"It really shouldn't be on this campus. And it should be removed.\" And it was a really good teaching moment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=2315.14,2359.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it was good for me to reinforce the fact that the students were making good decisions. So we wrote a response together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=2360.93,2371.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was his objection?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=2372.14,2373.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: See, this is an interesting thing because I just remember him saying it didn't belong on campus, that this kind of programming was not good. When it came up recently, this past year, to name Westmoreland Community Center in honor of Ed Coleman since he passed away, I reached out to Sally and Stephanie Carnahan, Sally Sheklow. Because at the time Sally Sheklow was working for CALC, and the MLK committee was bringing an extremely homophobic speaker that was against gay marriage. Sally, in her role as the CALC Director, was registering formal complaint, especially that the Human Rights Commission should not be helping to bring this person.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=2374.08,2432.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ed Coleman was a strong proponent to bring this person and said, \"Let us not sully the conversation with gay marriage conversation.\" And then Stephanie Carnahan also, in her experience, as the Gay and Lesbian Support Services said, \"I had also homophobic experiences with Ed Coleman.” And so I felt compelled to write to the city council about it. In that process, was trying to pinpoint the exact day, or the year, that we received— And I absolutely knew it was the second year because I remember he objected to the program being distributed and I thought the program was very mild. It was a really wonderful documentary called Forbidden Love about lesbian pulp novels and the cover was just some woman.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=2435.32,2496.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I went to the office, which is now the Student Activities Office.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=2499.85,2504.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And actually, Mandy, who originally was a Cultural Forum receptionist, and then we hired her as a staff person and she continued in that role. I asked if I could access the files or if indeed they still had the files. The guy that was sitting at the receptionist desk, I think the Queer Film Festival had just happened, and he said, \"Oh, it started in blah, blah, blah.\" So I had that year. So I said to Mandy, \"Do you still have these files? And perhaps, Professor Coleman's letter is in it.\" And she said, \"I'll check.\" Then I got an email back from her that I had to do the Freedom of Information Act. So I submitted a request, and of course, it came back but it cost $179. So that's where I'm at with that. It's too late for that. I mean, it's very, very difficult to talk about history, though. I mean, it was not easy for me to speak up. I obviously was the only person that was going to, even though these other people I talked to went, \"Oh, yeah.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=2505.71,2582.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you clarify that Professor Coleman was an esteemed African American scholar on this campus?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=2584.23,2590.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: That's a very good point. Yeah, Professor Coleman did have an amazing history in this Eugene community of civil rights activism, and rightfully so. They were thinking of honoring him for that. But in some of the things that I was reading, it was using the word social, instead of civil rights and he was not necessarily a beacon of social activism. And I felt like that needed to be known and let the chips fall where they may. I guess that's something about being around as long as I have and preserving that history and speaking the truth about it, and learning from it as a community that— The trouble was, I didn't know if he had changed his mind. And so it brings to mind the whole renaming process here on campus and how, well, Deady changed his mind so we're going to keep that hall? But this guy didn't, so we're going to change this name. And I didn't know that and unfortunately, it took me a while to gather my wits and my facts and talk to people and say, \"Can I use your name?\" So I met the deadline that the city council set for public comment, but it still was too late for them to use it and it's very interesting to me that I heard back from Betty Taylor, who said, \"Thanks for sending this. It was too late for me to—\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=2591.11,2706.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: She’s on the City Council?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=2706.28,2707.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Yes, on the City Council and one other City Council person, Jennifer Yeh. She was actually very nice, and gave me a few avenues to pursue that. That didn't go anywhere. But I was disappointed to not hear from some of the other people. Anyway, I guess that's part of your role as the person that's been in the community this long. I am still pondering, trying to get the money together to get the Queer Film Festival files because I have a feeling this issue will come up again on campus. I think perhaps it's important to have this information out by then. So, it's a difficult issue, and my wife did not want me to pursue it. I understand why. She's a person of color and— Anyway, the issue of are you going to put yourself out there? Are you going to be visible? But that's kind of what I've done. And so I have the advantage of having come from a supportive family, a work atmosphere where I was supported, my wife does not have that experience as a Native American. And so, the idea of putting yourself out there is not— well, she's very protective also. So, anyway, that was—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=2707.01,2804.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Will you— You worked on the Willamette Folk Festival?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=2805.84,2808.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=2808.54,2809.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you talk about the programming of that? That used to be a very big event.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=2809.98,2812.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Yes. I have to give a shout out to my coworker, Linda Dievendorf, because we created— Well, first of all, Frank Geltner and Adelle McMillan created a student programming format— was very student forward. And the Willamette Valley Folk Festival was three days of free music on the east lawn. And the students made all of the programming choices. Linda and I, as staff, made sure that all of the infrastructure was going to be there, contract, staging, the students learned it all too. Security. And the interesting thing was as it got more successful, let's just say it was not appreciated by the University of Oregon. Because it drew this whole crowd to campus that I don't think they necessarily cared about, because it wasn't the kind of crowd that was going to give money.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=2812.88,2891.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, the more successful it got, the more we had to fight to keep it on campus. We thought it should be on campus. And when Linda and I— Well, I think I was there for fifteen years, Linda was there for probably twenty. It finally got to a breaking point where we were being told what to program by the administration of the EMU and Student Affairs. And we said, \"We're sure that we can advise the students to buy into this. That's the way we operate.\" Also, we had a consensus model of making the decisions. Was consensus minus two, meaning Linda and I were the two staff people. So we could never override a unanimous decision by the students.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=2891.08,2962.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But that wasn't good enough. Dusty Miller, bless his heart, said \"No, no, sometimes you need to tell the students what to do.\" Here's the crux of it. Our salaries were paid 100% by incidental fees. Incidental fees are allocated 100% by the students. As a staff person, you're really in an interesting spot because your contract is signed by the administration. So it's paid by the students. It's signed by the administration. Which bucket are you going to put all your eggs in? We went with the students. Linda's contract was not renewed. So she was the first to go. I was removed from the Cultural Forum in the Student Activities Resource Office, which then was cut by the students, because it was a ridiculous kind of little weird thing and so we were gone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=2964.97,3030.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But we had fifteen or twenty great years and amazing relationships with the students. And some of the stuff is carried on like the Queer Film Festival for better or for worse, but the Folk Festival, no. It went away. There's still the Willamette Valley Music Festival and it's still does this and that and has been off campus, on campus a day here, a day there. So—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=3031.98,3058.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Did that happen recently when you left, when you were not renewed?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=3059.57,3063.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Yeah, the Folk Festival I think had two more years. Let's see, I retired in 2007. I had a couple years at the Women's Center as a half time. I don't know. They just kind of squeeze you out and it was interesting. But yeah, the Folk Festival, seems like there was two more years and then it left. Yeah, well, it did kind of mess up the lawn, especially if it rained, rain or shine, and commencement liked to use the lawn. And oh, my God, if you mess up, I mean, you can't be messing up commencement. I understand that. But man, we had a lot of conversations about what kind of security we had, which was the low key. We had the Country Fair security people. You don't want to have confrontations. I mean, of course, we're going to have people that come to the Folk Festival that maybe aren't going to be too conducive to people sitting on the lawn and enjoying music.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=3066.56,3144.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I think the big thing was, what kind of programming do you want on campus? And if it's student driven programming, it's going to be cutting edge and exciting and maybe a little hard to— it’s going to create controversy. But those moments are the amazing moments to teach. And it was so exciting working with students because it's such an amazing time when people are in college, and then they discovered this activity that they can do outside of the classroom that's so valuable. Even though it's like concert programming or lecture programming, it's like if you put that on your resume, it's a big deal. It's a big deal. So, a lot of our students went into the concert industry and a lot of them just got management jobs because they were active in student activities, regardless of what you did, and programming the art galleries, lectures, oh my gosh, we had amazing programming. I kind of go online every once in a while, check it out. And so—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=3146.11,3237.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: My impression is that the town-gown divide was not as strong then, as it is now that more people came to campus to do these events that were being programmed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=3237.8,3249.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=3249.67,3250.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you remember what were— thinking about the lesbian community in town and its relationship to the university?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=3250.44,3256.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Oh, boy, that is a good question. To me, it was kind of two separate worlds, to be honest. I mean, yeah. I think it was two separate worlds for me, so I'm not sure I can speak to that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=3256.33,3278.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Can you describe what Eugene non-campus lesbian world was like for you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=3278.68,3287.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: It was just a fabulous world of WYMPROV! shows and laughter and activism through laughter. It was such a wonderful thing. It was particularly fighting the ballot measures. It's interesting: I've got to give an anecdote about the ACUI, that professional organization, and once we started programming and other people started programming, this one guy from Emory University, a really great, great gay guy who's very supportive, had an ed session every conference where people could just come share their stories. It was considered a safe space. Nothing would leave this space. People would just come if they wanted to tell their story, which is kind of like this archive. It's a very cool experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=3287.56,3347.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I remember I went— I didn't go all the time, but one year I went and it was after we had defeated Ballot Measure 9. So people speak, there's always a lot of Kleenex, a lot of tears. Sometimes it's very personal at the time, a lot of it was around the AIDS epidemic early on and losing people. I started to talk about Ballot Measure 9.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=3348.31,3375.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This guy, he goes, \"Oh, excuse me. We don't talk about politics here.\" I said, \"Okay,\" because he— But later on, I thought, you know, this was very personal. This wasn't politics. This is my life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=3376.64,3394.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is my job. But I was never able to share that then. It was an interesting moment. Things like that being on the ballot are— There's nothing like it, is there? There's nothing like it. It's like people are voting on what? Voting on how I do my job. Like I couldn't promote homosexuality? It's like another story. I think it was the year after the Ed Coleman letter. We got another letter from a professor in the music school. He said— Oh my God. He said, \"Okay, first of all, you shouldn't be using the word queer because look at what these ballot measure people do.” In other words, censor yourself so you don't upset people so they don't put these ballot measures on. Okay. That's not exactly what I would recommend but, okay. And he continued to say, \"These rabble rousing students that started the Queer Film Festival, they shouldn't be supported. You should have normal gay students that do normal programming. And furthermore, I would be happy to host meetings at my house.\" Oh no, “at my house.” Oh my God!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=3395.14,3487.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, hooo! We— I showed the letter to the students and they're like, \"Oh, unh-uh.\" They weren't even going to reply. So I showed the— So, then in the meantime, I'm just using names, okay? Sue me if you want. So this professor send this letter out to everybody and their mother and so the Dean of— Vice Dean of Students, some— Gerry Moseley, he said, \"Oh, I got this letter, and I'm concerned. I think maybe the Queer Film Festival has gone too far. And who are these students anyway?\" So I'm talking to Frank because this is like Frank's boss, Frank Geltner, he's the Associate Director of the EMU but Vice President for Student Affairs or whatever. So, I said to Frank said, \"Okay, just between you and me. The guy that wrote this letter is gay. He's not out and he's writing this letter. I think we need to talk about internalized homophobia.” So we're kind of trying to figure out how to— that’s a touchy subject. It's very touchy subject. So we're trying to figure out how to broach this to Gerry Moseley. And before we get a chance, Gerry Moseley is sued for sexual harassment by some young men, and his career is over. So, that letter just kind of disappeared into the ether. So yeah, there's some to be said for just persevering and continuing to program. But, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=3488.03,3599.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, I forgot. When I was thinking about this stuff, my friend Joey Petitti and I, one year, it's when Mother Kali’s Bookstore—which I'm sure it's probably come up in your archival stuff—was going through a lot of trouble. So Joey Petitti and I decided to start the Mother Kali’s rent brigade and cover their rent for one year. We just kind of put feelers out into the lesbian community and we got all these people that send us checks for $20 for a whole year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=3600.86,3639.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, I mean, that's kind of a good example of the lesbian community is just out there. As a lesbian in Eugene, probably kind of took it for granted and I think I was very lucky in that that's really my only experience, being in Eugene and falling in with this group and that group that says, \"Yeah, let's be out, let's be lesbians,\" and being able to be a lesbian on campus and a lesbian with WYMPROV!, and it's been a great experience. We'll see where it goes. I don't know. You know what? Did they tell you that we play Mahjong now instead of perform?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=3640.52,3681.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How do you know how to play?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=3683.96,3685.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: A friend of mine, Janine Heidenreich, she lives in Portland now, said you want to— She had Mahjong and so I went to— she had a big gathering and I learned there. I don't know how Sally and Enid— I think we taught Vicki and of course she beats our ass all the time now. Anyway, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=3687.16,3713.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Can I ask when you did that rent brigade for Mother Kali’s, where was the store at that time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=3713.3,3720.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: It was right near campus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=3722.25,3723.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: On Thirteenth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=3723.87,3724.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: On Thirteenth. Yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=3724.57,3725.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay. And then I had another question. Did you ever work with Adele McMillan?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=3725.46,3731.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Mm-hmm. [affirmative]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=3731.85,3732.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Can you tell us something about her?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=3732.39,3733.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Adele was very hands off, and in that way, was a wonderful administrator. Later on in life, and even— She was also very involved with ACUI and in fact, I think was the first female president that was elected of ACUI. Later on in life, I recognized her as probably a lesbian, she was really into golf and that stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=3733.67,3768.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But she, as far as I know, never came out. But she would always support the Cultural Forum and the programming. We did some challenging programming sometime in the art gallery or bringing people to speak. And she would— and of course, she would be the first one to get the letter or the phone call or whatever. And she would always say, \"Oh, you just need to call the Cultural Forum.\" That's all she would say. So I admired her a lot. She was very hands off. So I don't think she ever appeared downstairs next to the student offices. But in retrospect, when we had another director, that was very hands on, that looked pretty good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=3768.95,3831.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: So she had been the Director of the EMU—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=3832.62,3834.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Correct","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=3834.84,3835.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: —for many, many years?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=3835.99,3837.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Many, many years. Linda and I, working with Cultural Forum, caught that end of— well, maybe five years or more. And then the second half of our tenure there was with Dusty Miller. And that was much more problematic. But, he also can be very supportive sometimes. Yeah, in the end, karma is an interesting thing. I actually have been a practicing Buddhist for over forty years, and well, actually, that's another realm where, actually I probably experienced the most outright discrimination within my Buddhist group. They were very into like— it's a Japanese type of Buddhism and they really wanted to come to the United States and assimilate and appear American. It's an interesting process, but, I'm sorry, I got off on a tangent there. Oh, karma. Oh, yeah, Dusty fired Linda.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=3837.14,3907.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Linda took early retirement. And eventually, I lost my job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=3908.55,3914.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I quit to take care of my dad for a year and then took early retirement. So Linda and I have been retired for over ten years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=3915.1,3922.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And actually, we went to Adele's Memorial at the ballroom long after we had retired, but we came back and it was a really wonderful service. And of course, we saw Dusty and I said, \"Hi, Dusty, how are you doing?\" And it's like, he looked awful. And he had like a black eye. He had fallen or something and he—. I said, \"Dusty, aren't you retired yet?\" And he goes, \"No.” He lost a bunch of money when that crash happened. So it's like, because of him, Linda and I are like retired for ten years and he's still slaving away. So I was like, \"Oh, I guess things aren't really that—\" When you're in something, it's very traumatic sometimes, but with a little perspective— you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=3922.86,3969.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: I'd like to hear about your Buddhist training and practice in the group that you've been with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=3969.42,3976.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: It's called Soka Gakkai International. Actually, it's been in the United States post World War II. A lot of war brides actually brought the practice to the United States. When I came back from London in '76, I couldn't find a job as I said, and I was standing in line to get food stamps. And this woman behind me goes, \"Tough times, huh?\" and I said, \"Yeah,\" and she goes, \"Here, try this chant.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=3976.53,4013.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Nam Myoho Renge Kyo.” I said, “Okay, sure.” And so then I'm filling out the form and she goes, \"Can I take down your phone number?\" I said, \"Okay.\" So she keeps calling me and inviting me to a Buddhist meeting. So, at the time, I was in this community production of Romeo and Juliet. And I had rehearsals, and I said, \"Oh, I can't come. I can't come. I have rehearsal.\" I was just blowing her off. And so then she came to see my performance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4013.72,4044.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I thought, \"Oh, well, that's nice. I guess I'll go to her Buddhist meeting.\" And long story short, I joined and I've been chanting and practicing ever since. But it was interesting, because at that same time, is my process of actually coming out or understanding myself, that I'm a lesbian, and I think that my chanting had a lot to do with that because Buddhism talks about recognizing your inner self. Discovering your own Buddhahood. And so I think that naturally was a part of that process for me. And so it's kind of ironic because the Soka Gakkai International is a lay organization, and it's just volunteers and people like me and homophobic people. It was a whole different realm of people in my life that I would not have associated with at all. Really nothing in common except we do this practice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4045.24,4110.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So it came to a point, and they like appoint leaders of the lay organization and stuff and they'd never appoint me because, and then I finally realized, \"Oh, I guess it's because I'm gay.\" I was talking to somebody, this guy and I said, \"Dale, I think I'm going to have to quit because how can I support this organization?\" And he goes, \"Well, here's a question: Do you want homophobic people to chant?\" And I said, \"Yeah.\" \"And practice Buddhism?\" \"Yeah.\" And he goes, \"Well, why don't you stick around because we need you.\" For some reason, it kind of made sense. And in the meantime, the whole organization changed. And perhaps I had something to do with that, too, because I kept speaking out and saying this is just ridiculous.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4110.87,4164.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What are the kinds of things that were heterosexist?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4165.18,4168.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Well, there's a national newspaper that would— I even wrote a couple articles for that would— and a big part of it is somebody's experience in chanting, and they would never print an experience of a gay person. They would never have a gay person be a leader of the lay organization, not just nationally, but locally. And so I remember even giving an experience at a meeting in Eugene. It was a long time before I could outwardly say I was a lesbian. Well, a long time, ten years, maybe, ’76 to—. But then slowly things started changing and now it's like we have a retreat center in Florida and they have a week-long LGBTQ retreat, and it's completely open now. So that's pretty cool. Yeah, that's a whole another— It's interesting your circles of people that are in your life, there's your family. By the way, my family was completely supportive by the time I had that second long term relationship, and they were like, \"Oh, whew, she’s the same age.\" So that's always been really wonderful. Even my extended family from southern Oregon, it's a little dicey down there. That's where my mom's from. But yeah, so there's all these wonderful realms that you have.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4170.24,4267.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In my experience is, if you're out, and it's not a big deal, then things change. And that's I think, politically too, even though these are scary times. The impact of one person, to one person, I think is how things change. And that's what happened in our gay movement, isn't it? That's like the whole gay marriage thing. It's finally somebody said, \"Hey, why can't my partner have the same?\" And it's like that happened in my Buddhist community. It happened locally. It happened at the U of O. So, yeah. I'm glad I was in Eugene.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4268.8,4311.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How did you experience the marriage?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4311.3,4313.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Wow. Gosh, I suppose I could sum it up by saying that in my Buddhist community, even when they were slightly open, it's like, \"Can't we just have a commitment ceremony here at the community center?\" \"Well, no, because it's not legal.\" And I'm like, \"What are you talking legal? Is it legal for us to practice Buddhism?\" Yeah, but they just couldn't grasp it. And then they finally said, \"Yes,\" but I had broken up with— it’s like also at the U of O. Some people worked in the Union for same sex benefits, which was a very big deal for me. But by the time same sex benefits came through, it came through before marriage, I wasn't in a long term relationship anymore. And then, when I was again, I was actually on her insurance because when I had quit to take care of my dad, my partner had moved to Eugene and I was on her insurance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4314.34,4388.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So it's kind of like, \"I never got to do that.\" So I made a determination with my Buddhist group. It's like, \"Okay, I'm going to get married here in this community center. And it's not only going to be legal in Oregon, it's going to be legal in the country.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4389.09,4406.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I'm not going to do it until that happens.\" And it happened. I wasn't sure. I mean, oh, my God, it actually happened. I'm glad we did it. So because who knows what's going to happen now, but we had a really, really wonderful ceremony.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4406.98,4425.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: When was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4425.83,4427.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: That's funny because we were trying to remember like every lesbian, you have about five different anniversaries. We met, we first got together, we moved in, we bought a house, maybe you had a commitment ceremony, maybe you got married in Canada.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4428.94,4443.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Maybe you got married in the March on Washington, maybe, like all these. So, you can't keep track of them. So, luckily Pat, my wonderful wife, she remembered that our anniversary is August 23rd. But we couldn't— We'd have to look up what year it was. I think it's been about three—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4444.14,4467.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: In 2015, it passed federally.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4467.57,4470.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Okay. Well, so we must have jumped right in there then. Yeah, maybe. Okay. Well, that's good to know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4470.42,4476.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And how long have you been together?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4476.86,4478.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Oh, probably ten, twelve years. Actually, we got together at a big party for Vicki's fortieth birthday, because she's fifty something, right? Yeah, she's the baby of WYMPROV! She's probably one of your younger interviews, right? Yeah, she's been a firecracker. So yeah. The marriage thing has been really wonderful, actually. My wife, Pat, I gave you a little sense of her background, which is Native American. She actually is from Canada and grew up on a reservation, and probably had as much of an opposite childhood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4478.36,4530.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"For me, it was awful. I don't know how she survived the violence, the abuse, the poverty, I just— I don't know how. But here she is and I was totally psyched about calling somebody my wife, but she was not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4530.46,4549.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I said, \"Look, I'm going to introduce you as my wife, okay?\" And she goes, \"Okay, but I'm not sure I'm going to do the same.\" I said, \"That's fine. You do whatever you want. I'll introduce you as my wife.\" But I don't have a problem with people that aren't into marriage or— It's an interesting— It happened fast, didn't it? Like, okay, this is going to be the focus. It just happened. And it kind of made sense in an interesting way once it all happened. So people that don't want to call somebody their wife or husband, that's fine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4551.83,4598.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I had no idea how much easier it would be. You're on the phone, you're talking to insurance, you're talking, whatever. It's like, \"Oh, my wife will be home.\" It's such shorthand for, \"Oh yeah, this person lives here and they're responsible and they know everything about the car or whatever.\" It's an amazing shorthand that I have really enjoyed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4599.22,4627.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Have you ever had any strange reactions though?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4627.79,4631.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: No. Well, I can say I'm kind of naive. And it's like, \"Here's my wife,\" and maybe behind my back they go, \"What?!\" I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4631.15,4639.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, I haven't. I haven't. It's been great even talking to somebody from Topeka or something on the phone. Also, there's just a little bit of, \"Okay. I'm making another little step. I'm talking about my wife.\" Yeah, so that's cool. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4639.7,4660.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How long has your partner, Pat, lived in— your wife, lived in Eugene?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4660.72,4667.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: She was in Portland when we met. And when we started getting serious, she moved down. So, what did we decide? Vicki was fifty.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4669.3,4681.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She's fifty something maybe. She's probably been here about ten years, but she actually went to the U of O way back when also. Got her bachelor's and went back to Portland. So yeah. Her family's all in Portland.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4682.02,4697.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: So you've been retired now for ten years?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4697.07,4700.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4700.57,4701.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What have you been doing and how do you see the future?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4702.22,4705.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Well, that's interesting. It's amazing how being retired can just suck up your time like a sponge. It's like I had all these projects. I was going to make movies. It's so accessible now and when I bought this nice video camera and you can edit everything on computer, and I found out that I'm kind of too anal to edit. It takes me forever. And so I haven't really done the film projects.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4705.53,4749.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Actually, I filmed the second to the last Willamette Valley Folk Festival. I filmed everything. I filmed every act. I filmed every workshop. I haven't even looked at that footage. That's a while ago, too. So, that being said, WYMPROV! still took up a lot of time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4749.87,4774.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it's interesting that you should ask that because WYMPROV!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4775.06,4780.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"deciding not to perform happened at the drop of a penny.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4780.39,4785.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was kind of amazing. Maybe they told you the story but we were like getting ready for a show. We were like okay, we had to start getting ready for our doing— we were doing about one show a year at OCT, Oregon Contemporary Theater. They have a wonderful theater, they're very supportive. They'll give us a dark night. And okay, let's get ready for a show. And Vicki was kind of like, \"Oh, gosh, our last show was so good. Maybe we should just call it quit while we're ahead,\" And I'm like, \"What?\" Because I was like, Gosh, this is going to be cool because we're going to be sixty- five and older, except for Vicki. Sixty-five and older women on stage performing. I mean, you don't see that, right? I thought this could be a whole new chapter, old lesbians being visible and performing and it's like we have a lot of lesbian stuff, but not very much old lesbian stuff, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4785.66,4852.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's true in general of women and even aging in general. It's really— it's not out there. As a lesbian, having something visible in your society makes such a huge difference. Oh my gosh, I was what? Twenty-seven before I even like, \"Oh, I like women.\" That's because there was nothing in my environment. So, the idea of having, even locally, these old lesbians perform, I was very excited about that stage. Because Sally and Enid had just retired and I was retired and Vicki's not but she's always kind of been our baby sister. I was very excited about it. And then all sudden, Vicki kind of mentioned this and then— I can remember Sally, Enid. Enid said, \"Yeah, maybe we should call it good.\" I never thought Sally would want to not be in the spotlight. But Sally goes, “Yeeh...” And I go, \"Well, in improv, you always say “Yes.” And go with the flow. So it's like, okay, I guess that's okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4852.81,4935.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so we had all these rehearsal times on our calendars. And so we said, \"Let's just play Mahjong instead.\" Oh my God, we are so loving that. You know something? Performing and being WYMPROV!, it took a lot. That's a lot of energy. It's a lot of preparation. It's a lot of time. It was kind of a relief. But, speaking of getting to your question, I really want to do something creative.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4935.54,4972.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's like, WYMPROV! really played a big part of my life. I like being creative. I mean, that's why I went into theater at the U of O.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4972.96,4983.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In high school I was in the theater group and all that kind of stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4983.89,4988.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so I don't know where that's going to go yet. But I'm definitely going to want to do something creative and be out there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4988.61,4998.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I guess I'll just have to be the— Gosh, how old am I? Say fifty-one but December to the minus one, six. I'm sixty-six. It's hard when you're born in December. Are you born— you can't, you can never like just subtract the year. It's just this little window, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=4999.35,5018.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, yeah, so I'll look forward to seeing, \"Okay, what's that going to be now for me?\" because improv is, uh— it allows you to be confident in your own creativity. Because when you're standing in front of an audience and you don't know what you're going to do, until the time comes, you have to be confident in your own creativity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=5020.85,5047.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What would you like? What would you— how would you like to be living in fifteen, twenty years?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=5049.28,5055.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: I just hope I'm still ambulatory and feeling good. Because the sixties have been kind of challenging health-wise. And yeah, I'm confident in— we’re trying to get Pat retired. So I hope we're retired together. I hope that creativity, whatever that is, is happening and that it's filling that need in my life to be creative. I hope I'm still playing Mahjong with the “WYMPs “","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=5057.39,5097.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You've had such a long relationship with young people and such a respectful one of their creativity and their interests. If you could imagine a young person watching this video or whatever it's going to be, and listening to you about your life, is there any piece of advice or thought you would want to give them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=5098.49,5123.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Yeah, the first thing that comes to my mind is be your own person.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=5123.03,5128.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Its like— And I have no idea what that's going to be. That's what's exciting. It's like— actually, I was just at a Buddhist meeting last night and talking to some— I said, \"Oh, my God, I'm going to be giving this interview tomorrow because I'm an old lesbian,\" and they're like laughing and we're also laughing about being in this Buddhist group for so long. And there's this big conference happening in September for the young people in the Buddhist group. We're trying to get 50,000 people across the country to go to this conference. We were talking about, when they come back, what is it going to be like and how will they change our Buddhist organization?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=5129.37,5174.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How exciting that is because they will change things. And that's why I say any advice, no, I don't have any advice. I'm just excited to see what they're going to do. Because I'm sure it is completely beyond my imagination, what they're going to do, and I'm so confident that they're going to do it. They’re— I'm sure there's no— Well, I shouldn't say that. There will be obstacles trying to hold them back. I was going to say there's no holding them back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=5175.4,5210.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm sure they can overcome the obstacles that are going to try and hold them back, especially now, but we'll be there, right? We'll be there. Telling them, yeah, go for it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=5211.29,5223.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Is there anything we left out that you would like—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=5224.77,5228.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: I don't think so. I'm sure I'll think about something but—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=5228.73,5231.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: It's been such a pleasure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=5231.21,5232.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yes, thank you very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=5232.62,5233.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Martin: Oh, you're welcome. My pleasure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=5233.52,5235.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[END OF INTERVIEW]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327#t=5235.51,5235.61"}]},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56118/file/130327/transcript/92592/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/592/original/780_Coll520_do030_aligned.vtt?1776852361","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/592/original/780_Coll520_do030_aligned.vtt?1776852361"}]}]}]}