{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/iiif/3n20c4t94v/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["Oral History Interview with Barbara Newman and Isabel Murray Webb"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/029/original/uo-logo-hires.png?1580744881","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Identifier"]},"value":{"en":["Coll520_do040"]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["Digital Video File"]}},{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["2018 October 20"]}},{"label":{"en":["Description"]},"value":{"en":["The Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project Collection consists of interviews of 83 people for the Eugene Lesbian Oral History Project, conducted by Professor Judith Raiskin and Curator Linda Long at the University of Oregon starting in the summer of 2018."]}},{"label":{"en":["Abstract"]},"value":{"en":["Barb: Barb was born on June 6, 1939 in Iron Mountain, Michigan. Her family eventually moved to Lansing, where Barb lived until going to college. In the 1950s, she became girlfriends with Isabel \"Liz\" Murray in high school. Barb describes her relationship with Liz. Barb's and Liz's parents stopped their relationship. Both Barb and Liz went to the University of Michigan, but they rarely saw each other. In college, Barb dated men and married Ray Newman, an engineering student. Barb began a career teaching English. Barb and Ray had three children. Liz also married, had children, and started a career teaching high school English. In the early 1970s, Barb and Liz renewed contact. In 1990, they again exchanged letters, and Barb visited Liz in Oregon. They decided to live together and Barb and Ray divorced. Barb and Liz got married when marriage became legal for same-sex couples. They have now been together for nearly thirty years. When asked if a movie could be made of their lives, and what they would call it, Barb and Liz replied, \"The Road to Happiness.\"\n\nKey terms: Adoption; Closeted gays -- United States; homophobia; Internalized homophobia; Iron Mountain (Mich.); Lansing (Mich.); Marriage equality; Teachers; Trend College (Eugene, Or.)\n\nLiz: Liz was born in November 1937 in Michigan and grew up in Lansing. She had a disruptive childhood, as her father was abusive. She had five brothers. Liz helped her mother in the house. Liz was a tomboy and ran a boys' gang in the neighborhood. Her mother became the breadwinner for the family. Liz got a paper route and gave all her earnings to her mother for household expenses. Liz met Barb Newman in high school in the mid-1950s and they became girlfriends. Barb's and Liz's parents stopped their relationship. In college, Barb and Liz rarely saw each other. Liz dated men and got married. Liz began a career teaching English, and Liz and her husband Dick had three children. They moved to western Oregon where Dick became a smokejumper in addition to being a teacher. Liz taught at South Eugene High School. Liz and Dick divorced, and Liz received a doctorate in psychology from the University of Oregon and practiced in Eugene. In the early 1970s, Liz and Barb renewed contact. In 1990, they again exchanged letters, and Barb visited Liz in Oregon. They decided to live together and Barb and her husband Ray divorced. They got married when marriage became legal for same-sex couples. At the time of the interview, Liz had been diagnosed with Alzheimer's and they belong to a group in Eugene called \"Dykes with Dementia.\" \n\nKey terms: Domestic abuse; Eugene School District 4J; Homophobia; Internalized homophobia; Lansing (Mich.); Marriage equality; Smokejumping; South Eugene High School (Eugene, Or.); Teachers."]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Barbara Newman (Interviewee)","Isabel Murray Webb (Interviewee)","Judith L. 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This is an oral history interview with Barbara Newman and Liz Webb, on October 20, 2018, taking place in the University of Oregon Libraries’ recording studio in the Center for Media and Educational Technologies. The interviewers are Linda Long, Curator of Manuscripts in the UO Libraries’ Special Collections and University Archives and Professor Judith Raiskin of the UO Department of Women's, Gender and Sexuality Studies. Barb and Liz, please let us know if you agree to be recorded for this project and that you give your permission for the university to preserve and make available your recorded and transcribed interview.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=11.64,57.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=57.33,57.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=57.42,58.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Thank you. Why don't we just get started with a basic question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=58.55,61.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Barb, you're on my left, so let's start with you. Can you please tell us when and where you were born, where you grew up and something about your early years?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=63.72,72.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: I was born in Iron Mountain, Michigan on June 6, 1939. My parents owned a country store in a small town outside of Iron Mountain which actually was in Wisconsin. I grew up in a tiny town called Aurora, Wisconsin. Aurora, like Aurora Borealis. We lived upstairs and it was a big country store and my dad, so my mom too, but my dad was the primary person. There was a grocery store, a hardware store, and he sold feed and seed for the farmers. It was a dairy farming community. We had a little old Ford truck that he did deliveries in. We lived there until I was about five and then my dad sold the store and we moved to a house and he became the manager of the store that he had once owned. That didn't work out well. And he quit after a while. And we moved to Lansing, Michigan when I was seven. And that of course, was where Liz lived. And for the first couple of weeks I lived in Lansing. I actually went to the school that Liz went to called Allen Street School.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=72.73,136.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Two weeks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=136.55,137.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: But I didn't know her. She was in another grade. We were living with my aunt and uncle who lived in Lansing and then we moved to a house in Lansing and I lived there until I graduated from high school and went to Ann Arbor to school. I never really lived except for the summers, I never lived in Lansing again. I met Liz when I was in high school. I have a brother who was four years younger than I. We lived in a neighborhood that was very blue collar. My dad was a pharmaceutical salesman at that point and housing was very hard to find when we moved to Lansing and my dad bought a house. My mom wasn't there and when we arrived on the train, we'd been staying at my grandparents' house. When we arrived on the train to move to Lansing, he drove us past the new house and my mother cried. It was not a very nice house, but it was right across the street from the school. She liked that, she was at school teacher and so she wanted her children in school every day and being across the street was a good thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=137.03,201.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: How about you, Liz?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=203.11,204.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Your turn.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=204.34,205.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Well, I was born in 1937, November. I was the third of my mother's children and the first girl. That did not give me any extra credence at all, to be the first girl. My older brothers were the bosses. So, I remember lots of things about Lansing. I remember being very young. I remember being in my four, five and six and we lived in that house for many, many, many, many years because my mother continued to have children, which was always a puzzle to me. My mother is a native Scott and I bet there were some talks between my father and her because he— I'll tell you about my father in a minute. I always felt that it was fine for her to have the baby. She also lost babies. That always happened during that period of time in the early forties or in the thirties because I was born in '37.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=205.12,284.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I really became a tomgirl because there were seventeen boys in my neighborhood and I was the only girl. So what do you do? You play with the boys. But after a while I learned what I could run them and I did. We had our all gangs, and I had my gang and I had about ten in that gang. And so we have that part of the neighborhood. And that it taught me that I needed to make my space with seventeen boys. My older brothers were always willing to be good brothers to me and— but when you got out on the street you had to be tough. So I was. Then as I grew older, and my mother was losing babies and having babies, I then became as the only girl— that I had an awful lot of work to do that would help my mother.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=288.6,354.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My father didn't help at all. Of course at that time, how many men did? They had to be really good, decent men who loved their wives. We stayed there and I went to a grade school there. I went to middle school there. I went to high school in that town, and then I realized that I could get some assistance to go to college. I wasn't going to get that from my parents, but I made a different decision. I decided at seventeen that I was not going to go directly to college because I didn't have any money. I mean, out of six children, my mother and father, he wasn't— by that time he had been a successful salesman for a lot of years, but by the time I was growing up, he sort of just relaxed and retired. So—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=355.01,421.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Gave up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=421.54,422.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Yes, he gave up. However, what I have to tell you, which is always very important to me, is that my father was— I'm not sure what it was about Hastings, Michigan, but that's where he was born and growing up. He had a very, very quick, fast and mean temper. If you think of the three older ones, he was able to be mad at my two older brothers, Harry and Dean, but they grew pretty fast and by the time they got taller than he did and he looked, they looked him in the eye. He never hit my brothers. But guess who came next?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=423.0,466.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so, if anybody was going to get beat up, it certainly wasn't going to be my little brothers and sisters. It was going to be me. I did get beaten up a lot. Make still makes me cry, so it makes me, I refused to go to my father's funeral. I wanted to have really nothing to do with him. He was very smart man, but he was not kind and he was not helpful. I—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=467.4,495.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: How did your mother react—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=495.76,496.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Well—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=497.0,497.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: to—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=497.32,497.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: —let me give you one example. My mother decided because he didn't go to work anymore. He just stayed home and so she got a job with the—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=497.4,511.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: State of Michigan.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=515.54,517.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: State of Michigan. She was essentially providing all the money for our house and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=518.04,528.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: She got a job as a janitor in a state office building. Lansing is the capital of Michigan and she was a nurse in Scotland. She had been a nurse.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=529.07,537.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: She was top-notch.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=537.15,539.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: So it was quite a tumble.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=539.39,541.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Quite a fall. But nevertheless, she looked around and saw us and she knew we had to have some money from somewhere. We did get welfare, but what happened when the welfare people came to the door, my father told them that we were doing fine, go away. So, we didn't get any help from them. You're beginning to feel, I'm sure how I feel about my father or felt about my father. But anyway, what I learned during all those years was that I loved being independent. I loved my mother. I did not like my father, but I took care of all of her children because my father refusing to do anything. My mother decided she had to go to work. So here's my mother from Scotland who has having all these children. And that began to stop when she went to work and she provided for us. She did that for five years every day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=541.61,605.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What enabled me and assisted me in going to college was that if you've ever met my mother, which she's dead now, there's something about being Scottish, there's something about being caring, there's something about that particular group of human beings in the world that are mostly really kind people and very interested in people. She was interested in all of us, but she had to work—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=607.38,641.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: She got a new job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=642.2,644.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: —from five to twelve, so when she got home it would be midnight.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=644.52,650.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I would wait up on the front porch, winter, summer, spring and wait for her because I knew she was exhausted. So we would go and sit in the kitchen and I would make her some coffee because she for Scottish person I never knew she could drink all that coffee, but she did. Then we would talk. I learned lots and lots and lots about Scotland and my mother and her siblings.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=653.9,684.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then I learned that I could not go to college. I graduated from high school and I got a job and guess who got it for me? My mother. My brother had a job, guess who got that for her? She got that job from my brother. My oldest brother, guess who got his job? 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I was just always one of the bunch, but I was the leader of the bunch. It gave me an opportunity to earn that as a girl in that group. 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Harry got the paper route first and Lansing State Journal was the newspaper and he did that for about six months and he thought, I hate this. So then he turned it over to my next brother, Dean, who only did it for about two or three months and said, “I don't like it either. I'm not going to do that.” And then what I have to tell you is, in that period of time I could not have a paper route in my name. I just took it over for seven years. 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Kids couldn't leave the high school building during lunch hour. I we ate in this big cafeteria. And she sat with all these other kids who were older than me. I was a sophomore, she was a junior. I started going over and sitting at that table with these older kids and they tolerated me, which was kind of amazing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=984.83,1003.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was really how I inched my way into her attention. And so we became very fast friends. And then we became romantically involved pretty quickly after that. She sat ahead of me in Latin class. There were probably eight people in the class, maybe ten. All of them good students. 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But we never could do it at my house. That was impossible. So, Barb invited me to her house. That works.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=1205.91,1215.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: We didn't think we were lesbians, I don't think. I mean, we knew the concept. Both of us are really serious readers. 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And I knew that and I didn't want to have that happen. It scared me to death because I knew that if she got upset enough about us, she might do that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=1517.29,1544.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How did you know that that was happening?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=1544.57,1546.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: We read about it. We read everything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=1546.51,1550.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: After the phone call, really, that was it. I didn't see her again. I mean not, I didn't see you for— until I went to Ann Arbor I don’t think. When I went to fall, just to call it back to school in the fall, now I'm a senior and she's working. I made up my mind that I was not going to get involved with any other girl that this was way too painful. I went to a grammar class designed for college-bound kids and with a very stern teacher. I sat next to this really handsome young man and flirted with him outrageously. He became my boyfriend. And he was a flaming gay queen, which I didn't know in the beginning. I did know, I mean, I figured it out. And then I had a history in college of dating mostly gay men. I mean, first I didn't usually start out. I didn't know. And then, Oh my gosh, yes. Again this. Although, I married a man who I met in college who was not gay, my only non-gay boyfriend.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=1552.32,1632.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=1632.0,1632.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: I finished my senior year and the following fall we both went to Ann Arbor as freshman because she had worked a year and I was going to—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=1632.21,1641.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: And I saved all that money. Which was really an amazing amount of money was $1,800 that I had earned.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=1641.47,1649.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: So, we’d occasionally see each other on campus. But it was extremely awkward. She actually lived near me. I lived in the east quad and she lived kind of three or four blocks away. Once in a while but she took me to her apartment to show me. She was living off out of the dorms because she didn't have enough money to stay in the dorms. 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I didn't turn twenty-one until I graduated. I was in the dorms the whole time unless I joined a sorority, but that was not my style at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=1702.98,1719.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: But she was wonderful to me. She was an old person who had been in the Army or the Navy. She was tough. 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I mean, I was a tough kid. If you saw the clothes I had to wear, you would think that probably went right with being a lesbian. But thank goodness for Goowill.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=1743.55,1765.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: When I met her, the duck tail hairdo was very popular among boys and Liz’s hair— Liz had a beautiful duck— she has naturally curly hair and it did this wonderful duck tail in the back that none of the boys could even possibly equal. But mostly she spent her time trying to control the curl. Between classes she would rush to the bathroom and with water, get her hair all straightened for the next— But of course that she didn't see in the back, the pretty little—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=1765.34,1794.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: But Barb could, thank goodness.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=1794.97,1798.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Yeah. She looked like a baby dyke.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=1798.21,1799.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You said it was awkward when you saw each other. What was that? What were the feelings about seeing each other there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=1799.85,1806.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: It had all ended so badly. I mean, it just felt difficult—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=1808.84,1812.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: With so many threats.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=1812.91,1816.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Well, and I had decided I wasn't going to do that anymore. That was just not what I was going to do anymore. So, I was looking for a husband. I was going to get married and have kids and have a normal life. And in fact, I met the man I ultimately married a week into my freshman year in college. I went to a mixer and one of those things in kind of a dark room with punch in the corner and there was music. And I went back to my room and a couple of days later my phone rang and it was this guy who said, my name is Ray Newman and I met you at the mixer. Would you have coffee with me? I had no memory of this guy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=1816.95,1858.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I went and looked in a Michiganensian, which was a little stupid, I was a freshman. I looked up Ray Newman and there was this tall, handsome blond. I thought, Ooh, I don't remember him, but this is pretty good. So I went downstairs, the phone rings, I don't know how, if you've lived in a dorm where this was, and you'd go downstairs and you look around the lobby and here was this not very tall, sort of muscular, Polish-looking man. That was Ray Newman. He was a freshman too, so he couldn't have been in the Michiganensian because that was done the year before. He decided almost immediately, I mean, I think I'd know him three weeks, and he said to me, “I'm going to marry you.” And I said, \"Oh, I'm only seventeen and I have a boyfriend at home.\" Of course, my boyfriend was the flaming gay boy. But he was going to change. He was going to stop being gay and we were going to get married. Not ever officially. I mean, but that was sort of that tentative plan at that point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=1859.49,1923.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then I dated him for a while. He was way too serious. I didn't want to be engaged. He was an engineer, and very introverted and I finally said, \"Enough. No, we're done.\" He kind of stalked me then, the whole time I was in college.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=1924.45,1942.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Finally, probably about the end of my junior year, I had dated lots of people by then, most of them gay, and thought, You know, maybe he's not so bad. I started going out with him again and we ultimately got married.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=1944.04,1959.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Liz, were you jealous when you saw her dating boys?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=1959.93,1964.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: No. I never knew.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=1964.55,1965.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: She was dating boys, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=1965.47,1967.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: I was dating boys. I had a lot of boyfriends. We got along just wonderfully, but I always knew there was something missing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=1967.25,1980.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Well, she went back to Michigan State after two years in Michigan.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=1980.74,1985.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: I left Michigan.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=1985.36,1985.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Because her brother Gene, her favorite brother, had introduced her to this young man he had met at Michigan State, who he said was a really nice guy. And Liz seemed to think so, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=1985.96,1999.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Yep, so I got married to this guy. I ended up having four pregnancies. One pregnancy didn't produce a living child, but the other three are wonderful. That's my family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=1999.44,2019.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: She invited me to her wedding. She got married a year before I did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2021.84,2026.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2026.26,2026.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: In those days, that's what women did. Every year in college, my roommate got married and I would be the bridesmaid. Then finally, I knew my parents would not pay for me to go to school if I got married, so I finished school and got married immediately after my senior year. I went to Liz's wedding at the end of my junior year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2026.76,2049.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Oh, I had a white gown.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2050.04,2051.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: In fact, that was odd because she invited me to a shower and then to her wedding and I remember going kind of just to see who she's marrying. I mean, it was like, \"Hmm. Interesting.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2051.48,2066.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2067.16,2067.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: You didn't feel jealous either?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2070.08,2071.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Well, yeah, I was a little jealous. It was like, he was much taller than me, of course. It wasn't a happy marriage.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2072.29,2083.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: It was not a happy marriage.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2083.43,2084.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: My marriage was more tolerable than hers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2084.5,2087.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: I'll, I'll give you a thirty-second scenario of my time with my husband. We lived together for five or six years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2087.14,2099.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: You mean in total? You were married for fourteen—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2101.29,2103.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Fourteen years. Right. And in that time, of course, I was having all the children and then he decided that— there was a fourteen-year- old that had been my favorite— I had been her favorite teacher.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2103.8,2123.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Liz was an English teacher. We were both English teachers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2123.95,2126.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: She would always stay there at night, when we were done.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2126.31,2132.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: You mean after school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2135.77,2137.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: After school. An old, what's the name of that car with the round top?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2137.27,2147.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Chevy?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2148.39,2148.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: No, no, no, no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2148.98,2149.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: I don't know. It doesn't matter what car it was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2149.62,2152.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: So, he would drive the car to town where he had a job, and then he would come to this big complex, high school, and wait out there until— and I had this really wonderful group of kids, who I think it was one of the most intense moments that I'd known for years, being around this group that really were determined. They would come out of the school along with me and I'd be standing in front and then by the time I got close to the car, then they would of course have to wave goodbye. Well, I got in the car one day and he said, \"You laugh with those kids every day. You never laugh with me.\" And I said, \"That's because you don't know how to laugh.\" I've had to learn that, because laughter for me has been really crucial. That was the big click in my mind, but in the process, he had a big click in his mind because one of those students was about sixteen—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2152.36,2231.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Well, I think she was nineteen when they got married.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2232.21,2234.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Nineteen when they got married and he decided that that was what he wanted and I never ever felt like that would be any loss to me. 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And I think he— was it summer when the three of you would come up here to go to class?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2254.82,2270.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2270.55,2270.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: You know, teachers have to keep taking classes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2270.63,2273.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay. Can we back up for just a second? You're in Michigan, you've graduated from college, you both became teachers. You both got married. How did you get to Oregon?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2273.69,2286.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Well, Liz's husband was a big time hunter. Great white hunter. He fished and hunted and loved the out of doors. He had come to Oregon to work as a smokejumper? Or just in the woods?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2286.94,2300.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: No, he worked as a smokejumper.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2300.96,2302.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: He was a smokejumper in the summer. He was an elementary teacher and a smokejumper in the summer. She was still in college when they were married, and living in East Lansing and he said to her, \"I'd like to move to Oregon. What do you think?\" And she, by then, was so sick of her dysfunctional family, pardon my French, that she said Oregon sounds great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2302.22,2325.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: That's wonderful. How far away is it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2325.62,2328.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: I don't think she'd been any farther west than Chicago, but Oregon sounded great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2328.56,2332.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Chicago, one time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2332.65,2333.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: They came to Oregon in 1962, in a little Volkswagen—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2333.82,2338.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: That's it, the Volkswagen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2338.4,2339.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: — with two babies, and a dog and whatever they could possibly take in the car, which I'm sure was very little. So, she had been here, and she found a teaching job in Eugene.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2339.41,2350.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Instantly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2351.02,2351.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: He did too. But those were the days when, if you were a teacher, if you could breathe, you could find a job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2351.14,2358.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And what school did you teach at?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2359.25,2361.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: South?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2363.68,2364.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Yeah, South Eugene, which was very interesting for me, because South Eugene was the top high school in the area and like Barb, I got a job immediately.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2364.32,2380.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: And that was in '62?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2381.42,2383.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: That was in '62, and so I taught there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2383.36,2386.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What did you teach?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2388.44,2390.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: English. I loved the kids I taught, and I was really happy because I thought that Dick and I would be able to have some opportunities, because we were living on a farm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2390.26,2409.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: You weren't living on the farm then, I don't think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2409.92,2410.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Yeah, we were.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2410.08,2410.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Because you taught at North too, and then you taught at South.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2414.75,2416.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: I taught at North too. That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2416.91,2418.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: They bought a little farm, outside of Creswell.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2420.39,2426.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2427.99,2428.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: That's where their children grew up, until the divorce.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2428.88,2432.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: That's right. And in the process of picking me up, he became attached to one of the girls in the group who would always be waiting around, and boys, to say goodbye to me. And then he told me that— she was seventeen years old?—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2432.11,2456.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: I think she was seventeen when it started.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2457.07,2458.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: And he said, \"I've decided that's who I want.\" And I thought, thank God. It's time. I had my children. 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Immediately. I didn't even go to graduation, because he still needed to do one summer. He was an electrical engineer, and he needed to do one summer to finish up. At the end of the summer, this was 1960, and the Vietnam War was raging and he would have been eligible for the draft. So, he was interested in finding a job in defense because then he would be exempt. He interviewed in lots of places and ultimately was hired by the Ford Motor Company, for a place called Ford Aeronutronic, which was in Newport Beach, California. 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So the second summer we were there, we went home to Michigan on a vacation and he said to me, \"I'm going to start applying for jobs back in Michigan.\" And that was like, what a dream. He had some interviews, while we were home. He'd done his applications, he was interviewed and he got a job in Ann Arbor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2587.71,2640.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We couldn't, we couldn't have been happier. It was like this was the greatest place in the world for us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2642.19,2647.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We went back to Ann Arbor, bought a house, I got a teaching job very quickly, of course. We were then going to work hard at having a baby. Well, having a baby for us turned out to be a very daunting problem. I think we tried for five years. A while. And adopted our first child while living in Ann Arbor. Then seven months after we adopted our son, guess what? I was pregnant. And so we had two more children in rapid succession. Although my youngest was not born, we ultimately left Ann Arbor and moved to a little town called Niles in Western Michigan. 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At one point she lost my address and actually called my mother, which, I thought that was a pretty intimidating thing to do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2707.42,2728.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Like calling for the giant to come and knock your head off.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2728.54,2729.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: My mother was a pretty intimidating person, but she called my mother and got my address. So we kept communicating. And around 1970 she sent me this letter saying, my husband and I are getting a divorce and I have decided that I am a lesbian. And I wonder if you would come to Oregon to live with me. Well, that struck panic in my heart. I had never told my husband that I'd had any romantic relationship with another girl. I had three kids and a job that I actually liked. It was like, oh my God, I cannot, and I burned the letter. I didn't respond, I just burned the letter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2729.69,2774.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But we persisted in writing to each other occasionally. When our Latin teacher died, I knew that Liz would be really upset, as I was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2775.6,2783.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ironically she died of Alzheimer's disease. I sent her the obituary with the note and in return I got this letter. This was now 1990 so we'd communicated a bit—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2785.8,2799.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Nineteen ninety?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2799.59,2800.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Uh huh. We communicated a bit. I mean she once— later she told me my letters to her were superficial, trite, and shallow [laughs], but in 1990 I got this letter from her that said my older daughter had a granddaughter and I was present at her birth, and I was so moved and it made me think about my life and about you and I am wondering if you would be willing to meet me in Utah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2800.55,2830.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: I picked the middle. Michigan to Oregon. 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I wrote back and said— No, I tried to call you. I spent the weekend on the phone because I didn't have her phone number. I called Information. This is 1990, a long time ago. And there was no Isabel Webb listed in the Eugene phone book. And I said, well, she's got to be in the phone book.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2841.09,2867.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She's a psychologist. I mean, I knew by now what she was doing and the woman was very helpful and she said, \"There is a Liz Webb Ph.D., do you think that might be it?\" And I said, \"Let's give it a try.\" So she gave me the number, I dialed the number and I got an answering machine and it was Liz's voice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2867.54,2884.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I knew I had it. I left this message. Yes, I'd love to meet with you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2885.58,2889.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm not going to Utah. I will come to Oregon. And I didn't get a call back. This was quite deflating, and so I tried a couple times—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2889.29,2902.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: It was a weekend.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2902.35,2903.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: —and finally—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2903.64,2905.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: —and I had gone to the mountains.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2905.09,2906.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: No, you were in Portland visiting another woman, actually.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2906.91,2909.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Well, that's true.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2910.59,2910.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: On Monday morning—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2910.75,2911.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Pardon me. That's true.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2911.91,2913.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: —at about six in the morning—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2913.14,2915.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: It came to nothing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2915.99,2916.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: —my phone rang. Of course, there's quite a time difference between Michigan and Oregon. And it was she, and we talked and talked and talked.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2916.78,2924.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Talked and talked.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2924.12,2924.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: And I agreed I would go to visit her. I came to the visit—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2924.38,2928.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Well, you'd had some problems.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2928.51,2931.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Oh, Ray and I had had some troubles. Yeah, he was—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2931.83,2933.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Before that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2933.97,2935.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: We'd had a major— I was still married to him, but we had had a very difficult period of time when he had decided— He was an engineer. He designed loudspeakers. He was the chief engineer in the loudspeaker lab for a company called Electro Voice. I don't think Electro Voice even exists anymore, but it was a big-time loudspeaker manufacturer in this tiny town in Michigan. He had decided he hated his job and he wanted to do something different.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2935.16,2963.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He, with a friend, decided they would open a restaurant and he made very elaborate plans with this man without telling me. One day I was cleaning the house and I came upon this folder with all this business plan, and it was clear what it was. I went to him and said, \"What is going on and why didn't you talk to me?\" But at the time, we had two kids in college. It was like, really? You're going to quit your job? And I mean, then what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2963.22,2996.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was working at a community college as an administrator, but I was not making a lot of money. I said, \"What's going on here?\" Well, big problem. Went on for weeks and finally he— he was a bipolar person. He had some difficulties with emotional stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=2998.19,3018.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ultimately he admitted that in fact he wasn't going to do this. But at that point I really stopped trusting him. I felt like this was such a huge thing and he kept it secret for so long. It just was like, I was very disillusioned with the whole— so when I got this letter from Liz, I thought maybe this is not such a silly idea after all to think about. Not just going to visit in Oregon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3019.36,3050.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I came in July of 1990 for a long weekend?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3052.22,3057.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3061.14,3061.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Had you ever seen each other in those, what, thirty-some years?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3061.23,3064.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3065.01,3065.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Thirty-three years maybe it was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3065.61,3067.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Thirty-three years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3067.71,3068.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: So in some ways you were very different people. In some ways you were the same.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3068.67,3073.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Exactly. And that was exactly what we both— I mean, now we have wrinkles. We're in our fifties and as Liz says, we never saw each other drive a car, or write a check. We were high school sweethearts who'd been separated, essentially. I hadn't seen her since her wedding. That was the last time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3073.13,3092.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: That's right. That was the last time. Last time I saw you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3092.32,3095.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: And so it was very awkward in the beginning. And then, Liz is a psychologist and so she had said to me, \"I have a friend who's getting married the Saturday that you will be here, would you mind going to the wedding?\" And it was an eminent doctor in Eugene who was one of her clients who was getting married for the second time. I'm not going to tell you his name because you probably know him, or know about him. We went to this wedding in their backyard, and it was quite romantic. Then, of course, Liz knew a lot of people there and she was sort of a celebrity. That didn't hurt, you know, all these people coming up, “I haven't seen you in ages and maybe I need to call to make an appointment.” It was like, Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3095.4,3142.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That day then, she said after the wedding we'll go either to the coast or to the— I'd never been to Oregon before. I'd been to California several times.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3142.13,3151.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: We had four days. I knew about the coast, which I love, and I knew about the mountains, which I love.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3151.59,3157.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: But you let me pick.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3157.16,3157.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: I was convinced she'd like one or the other.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3157.63,3161.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: So we went to the coast, and we drove, and of course it was beautiful. I'd done a lot of camping and I'm kind of an outdoors person. I loved it. And then in the car on the way home in the dark, we talked and of course we talked the whole time and there was something about being in the car in the dark, and this very familiar old voice talking to me. And I was like, Oh my, this really is my Isabel. And so that night we went to bed together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3161.23,3193.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Makes me cry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3193.81,3193.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: I mean, I had been sleeping in her guest room and that night we slept together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3193.98,3197.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3198.62,3198.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/299","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: By the time I went home, she had asked me if I would come back. I said, I have to think about this. I mean, I had family, I had a good job, and friends. I'd lived in Niles for twenty-five years. I really had a life, and a husband, and a mother. My father was dead. And three kids. I went home and said— and she said to me, \"I'm not going to give you forever. You have to make up your mind within two years. I'm not going to just hold on. You're not going to come out and visit me every once in a while. It's either going to be a permanent relationship or not.\" I think it was probably six weeks later I called her and said, \"Yes, I'm going to come, but I need some time.\" I hadn't told my husband, although I'm sure he was suspicious that something was up. And one day I came home from work, and I worked in a job where I worked at night a couple of nights a week. Community education at night. I worked for two nights a week for years. I came home one night and the mail was on the kitchen counter, which was odd. My husband had brought it in. Our kids were in college, all the kids were gone. And he said to me, \"I opened up the phone bill.\" He never opened the bills. You girls have been talking—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3198.81,3290.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/300","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: You two girls.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3290.02,3290.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Our phone bill was like $300.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3290.91,3296.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: It had been thirty years, you have to remember that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3296.28,3299.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/303","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: And I said, \"Well, I need to talk to you about that.\" And I said, \"I'd like a divorce.\" That was difficult. I mean this was awful, and it troubled me. I mean, he was a bipolar person, so I worried about the depression, but he was remarkably— once he got over the initial conversation, he was remarkably kind to me. He went with me to tell the kids. He went with me to tell my mother, which was the hardest of all. And I was willing to move out. I came in December— Liz flew to Chicago. Amazing. She doesn't fly, but she did fly to Chicago, and the two of us drove to Oregon together in early December.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3299.38,3357.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/304","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: All those years, talk, talk talk.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3358.73,3360.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: I lived there in the house with him until I left, because I had said I'll move out. And he said, no, no, no. And it was quite compatible. I mean, he came to visit more than once. We once went there and actually stayed at his house in his guest room.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3360.57,3380.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: He became quite romantic with some women.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3380.57,3383.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/307","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Well then yeah, he got married again. He's dead. He died pretty young in his fifties but it was one of the best moments of his life, in terms of his kindness to me. He was fine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3383.52,3397.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/308","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What did your mother think, having Isabel turn up again?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3398.36,3401.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/309","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Oh, my mother was furious.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3401.51,3403.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/310","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: She was furious.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3403.07,3403.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/311","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Just furious. In fact, when we went to Lansing—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3403.76,3405.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/312","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: She never did like me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3405.54,3406.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/313","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: My mom still lived in Lansing and Ray and I drove from Niles to Lansing, which is like a two and a half hour drive. And he said to me, \"We can stand anything for an hour, so we're going to stay for an hour.\" Which I thought was not a bad plan. And then we left.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3406.41,3422.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/314","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But she said things to me like, \"Well, it's a good thing your father is dead.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3422.64,3427.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/315","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Cruel, cruel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3429.22,3429.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/316","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: And she said, \"I will never come and visit you.\" Then, this was funny, because then she— she was a letter writer and then the next time she wrote me a letter after I'd come out here, she said, \"I will only come and visit you if you're very ill.\" Then we were still writing to each other of course. Then my daughter was getting married at Yellowstone National Park, the summer after I came to Eugene.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3429.73,3462.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Her name is Faith. Isn't that lovely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3464.29,3466.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: I wrote to my mom and said, “Faith's getting married in Yellowstone and if you fly to Eugene we could drive to Yellowstone together.” Because I knew it would be hard for her to get to Yellowstone. And she did. She came to Eugene, and then she was pretty good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3466.88,3487.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/319","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: And we had a lovely time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3487.02,3488.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: We had a pretty good time on that trip.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3488.27,3489.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: We all drove together. She was just fine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3489.62,3493.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Then my brother developed bone cancer. My brother was an orthopedic surgeon, and he died of bone cancer. We, of course, knew that in fact when he was diagnosed, he called me one Saturday morning and said, in this like a voice from the tomb. It sounded like this hoarse voice said, \"I've been diagnosed with bone cancer and I have about eighteen months to live. Would you call Mom and tell her that?\" And I did. But anyway, she had always planned to move to Toledo where he lived. Not to live with them but to live in an assisted living, or some kind of senior residence there. So when he was dying, I said to her, \"You know, I think you need to move to Eugene.\" And she said, \"I know, and how will I get my car to Eugene?\" My mom came here at age eighty-nine and I said, \"Well, I'll go to Lansing and we'll drive together.\" And so she did. She lived here the last five years of her life, but she was just angry, angry, angry with me. She said, \"What will I tell my relatives? What will I tell my friends?\" And I said, \"You can tell them anything you want. I'm not going to tell them. You tell them. So then they get the story that you want them to hear.\" And to my surprise, she ultimately told her sister. I got a card from my aunt a few months later that said, “I hope you are enjoying your new lifestyle.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3494.76,3585.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/323","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Yes, we were.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3586.6,3588.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Well, no, that first year was hard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3589.21,3590.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: It was hard. That first year was hard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3590.97,3591.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: I had a hard time the first year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3591.85,3593.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/327","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Barb had a really hard time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3593.59,3595.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/328","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Why?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3595.31,3595.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/329","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Well, I didn't have a job. I was fifty, maybe a little more than fifty.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3595.39,3602.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/330","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fifty-one. And I knew one person in Eugene.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3602.86,3606.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: And she'd had tons of friends.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3606.59,3608.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/332","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: And she was self-employed. I'd worked in community college and I'd done a lot of work with the CETA Program, which was now the JTPA program. And I ultimately— I got a job at Trend College, but I came in December and I didn't go to work until April. I had never been unemployed that long as an adult. I'd lived in a little community where if I needed a job, someone would call me and say, \"Barb, how would you like to come to work for us?\" And that wasn't going to happen in Eugene, but I did get a job at Trend College, which was, I'll tell you more about that later. That was an interesting job. Hard. And then I finally went to work for the JTPA program, which was a good job, for the County. And I worked there until I retired. But my mom was the hardest part of it all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3608.36,3659.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/333","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Yeah, she was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3659.43,3659.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/334","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What did all your children think about your relationship?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3659.89,3663.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/335","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Liz had been in other relationships. Liz's children were very skeptical. Her daughter, her older daughter told her mother that this was wrong, that she should not persuade a woman to get a divorce and leave her husband and come to Eugene because she would throw me away in two years. I didn't know that at the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3665.06,3685.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/336","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liz told me that later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3687.24,3688.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/337","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My own kids were fine. Surprisingly. They knew that it had been kind of an unhappy marriage. I mean, they'd heard the fighting and they knew that we were very different people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3689.78,3700.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/338","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: But were they surprised that you would be with a woman?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3700.85,3702.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/339","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Yes. That was a surprise. However, Ray's very best friend was a gay man. So for kids who grew up in a small town, 30,000 people, they knew about gay people. They knew both Jim and Jim's partner.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3703.0,3717.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/340","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3717.11,3717.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/341","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: They didn't have any problem with gay. It was just that I was gay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3717.5,3721.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/342","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was kind of— but they were fine all along. In fact, my youngest son moved to Eugene, or moved to Portland, lived in Portland. He doesn't anymore, but he lived in Portland for many years. He came here. He came here because—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3721.93,3734.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/343","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: He dearly loves his mother and she deserves it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3734.43,3739.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Loves me enough to move to Houston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3739.98,3741.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Well, that was later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3741.6,3744.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/346","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: But my kids were fine. And Liz's kids, I think they were okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3744.15,3747.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/347","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Yep, they're fine now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3747.83,3749.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/348","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Did you ever have any feelings of internalized homophobia?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3749.85,3754.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/349","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Feeling maybe it's not right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3756.61,3758.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/350","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Yeah, I suppose. I mean there was a shame piece to it, I think. Did I think that what we did together was wrong, or sin? I'm not a religious person, so I didn't have the sin. Although, my family was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3759.68,3777.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/351","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My mom and dad were religious. That didn't help. They were, however, Episcopalian. My dad was raised Catholic and I had been a Catholic as a kid, and I married a Catholic. My religious background is very patchwork and I'm not a believer anymore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3777.63,3794.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/352","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That wasn't the problem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3796.26,3797.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/353","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When I went to work at Trend College— many lesbians in Eugene have worked at Trend. That's kind of the classic “I came to Eugene and I got a job at Trend College” was a very typical lesbian statement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3797.97,3810.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/354","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What is Trend College?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3810.02,3811.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/355","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: It was a business college that was over in the Delta Oaks Shopping Center. It was a chain of colleges. They had four or five curriculums. I had done a lot of work in employment and training.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3811.42,3821.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/356","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So they hired me. And I'd worked for a community college. They hired me to be the placement person, and I taught classes in how to find a job. And then I matched students with job openings and you know, tracked it. Partly, there was a bonus if I made the goal of placing enough kids. Or, they were adults, actually. 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But there was a Trend College in Salem and one in Portland. And I don't know where else, they didn't pay well, they didn't treat their employees well, but it was a job. And the funny part of it was many of the administrators in this company were lesbians who had lived in Eugene, but everyone who I knew told me, when you go to Trend, do not ever let them know that you are a lesbian. That's not okay. I was trying very hard to live by that, which was difficult for me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3851.15,3891.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/361","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Yeah, always is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3891.63,3892.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/362","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: You know, I'm new in Eugene, \"Why did you move here?\". \"Well, I got a divorce and I have a friend who lives here.\" \"Well, who do you live with?\" \"Well, I live with my friend.\" And anyway I found that very hard. I'd always been open about my life outside of work and to have that— a man who worked there started asking me out to lunch. It was like, how do I deal with this? And I made a very good friend there. There were two other women who were lesbians who worked there, one of whom became a very good friend of mine and they were partners. And that was a big secret. But the secrecy really bothered me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3892.76,3939.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/363","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so, when I went to work for the county, that was like, \"Oh, thank God\". Because there were all kinds of out lesbians working there and it was perfectly fine to be gay, nobody cared. Alicia Hays worked at the JTPA program and in fact her office was next to mine. And she got pregnant with her son not long after I'd gone to work there and one day at a staff meeting, she announced that she was pregnant and that day on my door [knocks], all these people came in and closed the door and said, “How did she get pregnant?”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3940.25,3977.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/364","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: The old way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3979.74,3980.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/365","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Well, with a turkey baster.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3980.6,3982.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/366","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: With a turkey baster.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3985.07,3985.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/367","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: It was funny. I mean it was very, very out but nevertheless, lots of people wondering about lesbian lifestyle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3985.93,3994.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/368","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3994.89,3995.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/369","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What was your experience in Eugene with lesbian community with cultural events that were happening with community organizations?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=3995.87,4003.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/370","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Well, Measure 9 happened not long after I came and with my friend, whose name was Leah Bullard, from Trend, we got involved in the calling business and one day they wanted to do this march to oppose Measure 9, that would go to Springfield down Franklin Boulevard, across the bridge into Springfield. And of course Springfield was seen as the really uptight anti-gay community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4004.45,4038.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/371","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so, this pathetic little group of us went with our signs, there may be were ten women, \"No on 9\" signs. And we got down entering Springfield and this great big old car pulled up with a very redneck looking guy. And he got out of the car and he came over to us and we thought, \"Oh my, what now?\" And he said, \"I'm not gay, but I saw a button that said “I may be straight, but I'm not narrow.” Do you have a button like that?\" But we didn't, but we told them where we thought he could get one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4039.18,4081.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/372","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we went to lesbian concerts, we went to a lot of lesbian events in the very beginning. And I was just amazed at the people, this huge diversity of dress and behavior and it was an eye-opener.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4084.55,4102.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/373","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Once we went walking on the bike path when I was first here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4104.19,4108.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/374","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Oh my God.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4108.73,4109.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/375","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Holding hands and this homeless person came up to us and said, \"You going to invite me to the wedding?\" in this really hostile way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4109.59,4117.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/376","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Ugly, ugly voice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4117.5,4118.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/377","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: And when we first bought our—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4118.83,4120.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/378","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: And I said, \"No\".","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4120.92,4121.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/379","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: When I came, Liz was living on Twenty-First Street and she had a house with an office, but she was renting that house. We bought a house together that was one of our first priorities. And we found another house with an office in the Ferry Street Bridge neighborhood. And when we first moved in there, our house was TP'd, which made me feel like it was all about two gay women. I don't know; we don't know who did it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4121.12,4152.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/380","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: We don't know who did it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4152.29,4154.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/381","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: One day two girls came to the door, we hadn't been living there very long. Two girls we didn't know, teenagers and they asked us, \"Do you know the name of the people who live across the street?\" And I said, \"No, I don't know the name of the people who live across the street\". And they said, \"What? You don't know your neighbors?\" And I said, \"Well, we haven't lived here very long.\" I mean it was just an odd little encounter. And they left and they went out— our cars were parked in the driveway and they put these kind of pornographic pictures of women together under the under the windshield wipers of the cars.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4154.09,4194.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/382","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: It was ugly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4194.85,4196.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/383","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: There were some kind of odd moments. I wasn't terrified, but you know, it was—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4196.12,4204.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/384","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4204.92,4205.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/385","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: After I went to work for the county— I'd worked for Trend for two years. I became friendly with lots of the people I worked with and there was an attack on some gay women in Medford and one of the men that I worked with, a very liberal guy came to me and said, \"Barb, if you ever have anything happen at your house that scares you, here's my phone number, call me and I will come right away.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4205.51,4236.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/386","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: These were the women that were murdered, the lesbian couple?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4237.16,4239.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/387","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Mm-hmm [affirmative]. So you know, it was a double edged thing that there were both kind of scary pieces to it and also a lot of support.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4240.63,4250.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/388","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4250.7,4251.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/389","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Can we backtrack for a sec? Liz, could you tell us about your education after you got to Eugene, because you became a psychologist?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4252.15,4262.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/390","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Well, that was a long period.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4263.95,4269.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/391","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: At the time she was divorced. Let me just interject this because it'll give her some markers. She had already enrolled in a master's of counseling program at the U of O and was involved in that and she thought she wanted to become a high school counselor and then as she got into the counseling, she was encouraged by her professors to consider doing a Ph.D. in psychology, which she did. She also realized she didn't really want to go back to high school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4270.45,4305.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/392","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4305.59,4306.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/393","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: So, you studied at UO?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4306.35,4308.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/394","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Yeah, I got my doctorate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4308.49,4311.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/395","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: And then during that period was when she had her first lesbian partner, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4311.33,4317.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/396","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4317.33,4320.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/397","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And were your lesbian relationships, significant stories to tell about those?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4320.24,4327.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/398","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Well, no, I'm really of two minds about that. It was a place for me to feel comfortable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4327.98,4336.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/399","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: She had a wide circle of lesbian friends as well as a lesbian partner.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4338.53,4345.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/400","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We still keep in touch with that partner.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4346.08,4348.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/401","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: How did you develop your wide circle of lesbian friends in Eugene?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4349.06,4353.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/402","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Actually, that turned out to be very easy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4354.19,4357.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/403","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: How'd you meet Penny? In a class?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4357.15,4362.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/404","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Yeah, in a class.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4362.39,4363.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/405","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: She also has a very good friend, still has a very good friend, who taught with her in Creswell. That woman is the sister to the young woman her husband married and she is actually—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4365.06,4380.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/406","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Who was just seventeen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4380.19,4381.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/407","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: We had dinner with those people almost every week, she and her partner.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4384.73,4391.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/408","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What did you think about the marriage equality movement? In considering your own relationship?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4391.84,4401.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/409","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: We were ready to get married and we had many friends who went to Washington and got married or to California and we decided we were going to wait for—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4401.01,4414.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/410","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Oregon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4415.83,4416.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/411","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Oregon. And we were actually both working on the marriage equality proposal that was going to be on the ballot in, what was that? Twenty-thirteen, 2014, I think it was. And in the middle of that, of course there was the Court decision and we decided— our kids had said, \"Don't be running away and having some fly-by- night ceremony in a judge's office, if you guys get married—\" We'd been together for, I don't know, twenty-five years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4416.38,4447.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/412","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4447.99,4448.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/413","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: \"If you guys get married, you need to have a big party.\" And so, we had a big wedding in the summer of 2015. We got so much support.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4448.42,4456.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/414","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was unbelievable. It was wonderful. Yeah, our kids came, our grandkids came.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4456.58,4461.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/415","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Our kids came, our grandkids came.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4461.69,4462.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/416","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: We had about a hundred guests, it was big. It was much bigger—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4462.73,4466.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/417","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Where was it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4466.47,4466.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/418","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: At the Country Inn on Coburg Road.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4466.65,4469.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/419","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: And this is a woman who is not accustomed to these kinds of—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4469.45,4472.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/420","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Neither of us had had a very big wedding when we got married to men. So, this was—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4472.51,4476.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/421","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: But she was great, she just stepped right in. She did all the paperwork—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4476.69,4483.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/422","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: The woman in charge of the Country Inn. She was very nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4483.59,4487.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/423","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: She was very nice, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4487.46,4489.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/424","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: So how old were you each when you got married in 2015?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4489.07,4493.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/425","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: I was seventy-six and Liz was seventy-seven.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4493.52,4497.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/426","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: You never give up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4498.49,4503.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/427","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: We never thought we would be able to get married. This was like amazing to us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4504.98,4509.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/428","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: It was. It was wonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4509.47,4511.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/429","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: We had dresses. I mean, we don't ever wear dresses.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4511.04,4514.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/430","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Well, if you saw the picture of our wedding you would see two women probably thinking that they were about sixty-five and they had lovely outfits, nice dresses, nice shoes. And that was us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4515.4,4530.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/431","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: And the person who was our officiant was Janet Anderson, which was not our original plan. Liz has a brother who is a retired college professor who lives in Seattle and he was the person that we wanted to go get the license to become a minister. And he was willing to do that and he developed heart troubles and needed a valve replacement. This kind of runs in Liz's family and he decided that was the summer and he was not in very good health. And he called us a couple months before the wedding and said, \"I can't do this I can't come to Eugene.\" And so we thought and thought about who we could ask and we asked Janet and she did a wonderful job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4530.9,4578.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/432","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: She was marvelous.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4578.73,4579.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/433","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: How did you meet Janet?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4579.72,4581.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/434","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Oh, we'd known her for a long time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4581.32,4582.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/435","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: When I first came to Eugene, one of Liz's best old friends who still lived here was Penny Palmer who was married to Jan Becker. You might have interviewed the two of them, they’re tax preparers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4584.8,4599.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/436","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Many lesbians have their taxes done by Penny and Jan, so I thought you might know them. But anyway, the first time I came, Liz had them invite me to dinner at their house. And Liz's friend Lynn the sister to her husband's second wife came down from Portland.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4599.03,4621.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/437","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4622.22,4622.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/438","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: I think she wanted to show me a lesbian couple that was living a normal life. I mean they have a house and yard and cars and garden and all the accoutrements.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4622.64,4634.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/439","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Cats.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4634.39,4634.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/440","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: And so, they became among the best friends in the beginning and their dear friends were Evelyn and Janet. I met them very early.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4635.46,4648.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/441","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And at that time Evelyn and Janet— I think— were they at Womenspace? I think maybe it was before the Womenspace thing. I think they were sharing the Womenspace job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4650.22,4659.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/442","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: I think so. 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Each of you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4661.43,4664.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/445","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Oh, well, I'll have to look at one of those forms you got—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4665.81,4670.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/446","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: I retired when I was sixty-two which was kind of funny. I never planned to retire when I was sixty-two but I was working for the county and I had a very difficult boss. And we went on a vacation, we camped a lot. We used to camp, we used to own a trailer too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4670.11,4687.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/447","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We've done a lot of travelling—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4687.29,4688.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/448","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Climbed mountains.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4688.4,4689.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/449","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: We were coming home from a long vacation, a couple of weeks in eastern Washington. I think we'd been to Glacier. And we said to each other as we drove along the Columbia, \"Oh, we have to go to work\". And I said, \"You know, I'd love to retire\". And so Liz said, \"Well, you know, maybe we should look at that.\" So, I actually went to the social security office and was told, I didn't know this, that I was entitled to get my ex- husband's social security. He was in engineering, made a lot more money than I ever did. So, it was like, “Ooh.” I called our financial planner and said, \"If I retired at sixty-two, would we be okay?\" And he said, \"Oh yeah, you'd be fine\". So I did, I turned sixty-two in June and I retired in August and we had bought a trailer and a truck and we would set off for Alaska about a week after I arrived.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4689.63,4746.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/450","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then Liz kept working, although she was still seeing clients, but she had clients that were pretty durable so she could go away for a few weeks at a time. But she worked until the summer of 2006 and then we had planned to go to Europe for the winter. 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And she was getting tired of it anyway. 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I had a list of seventeen people that I talked to them and I gave every single one of them that list saying these are the people that over all the years I've done this, I feel that they would be very able to help you if that's your choice. And then I felt like I had been really honest and fair and I still had people call me years later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4786.51,4843.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/457","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: She had someone call her a couple of months ago.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4843.56,4845.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/458","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: That's right. 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So, she drew it out as long as she possibly could. But when we came home she did not— she let her license go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4865.13,4880.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/463","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Expire.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4880.5,4881.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/464","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: And we stayed in Europe until June. 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We never went to a fancy place and hostels are— I'll tell the two of you if you ever decided to do it, it's just great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4886.13,4935.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/466","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You meet wonderful people who are kind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4936.16,4936.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/467","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: You have to have a high tolerance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4936.96,4938.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/468","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: You have to have a high tolerance because sometimes you look at the dishes— the kitchen, and it would have this gray across the top of the water.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4938.39,4952.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/469","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Yeah, the kitchens were pretty bad. But we stayed in all kinds of places. Some of them hilarious, sometimes with no lock on the door and it was quite an adventure. But we ate one meal out a day and it was lunch because we figured lunch is a little cheaper than dinner and then we did breakfast and supper on our own.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4952.74,4975.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/470","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: On our own.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4975.69,4976.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/471","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: But we had a fine time. It was just wonderful it was a peak experience for me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4976.43,4981.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/472","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What did you do with your house that entire time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4982.56,4984.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/473","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: We rented it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4984.05,4985.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/474","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: We rented it for a year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4985.35,4986.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/475","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: We found a woman, Alternative Realty. She does this, she rents houses and actually, that's why we went because we figured we'd find somebody who was at the university for the winter and would be interested in renting our house. We actually had a man who was retired from the university from the law school and he had moved to Florida. No, Arizona.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=4987.48,5010.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/476","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Arizona, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5010.95,5012.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/477","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: And his wife had recently died and he was thinking of coming back to Eugene, but he wanted to spend a winter here to see if he could tolerate the—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5012.05,5019.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/478","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: The rain.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5020.01,5020.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/479","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: The rain and the gray. So he was fine, he was eighty—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5020.53,5026.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/480","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: He lived in our house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5026.17,5026.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/481","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: He was eighty-some years old. We carefully bought a rubber sheet for a bed we were afraid he might not have good bladder control.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5026.89,5035.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/482","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: We were probably sure that he did not have terrific bladder—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5035.35,5038.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/483","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Now we still have the rubber sheet, but now it's in case one of us—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5038.44,5045.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/484","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: So, do you live in your house still?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5045.01,5046.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/485","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Oh yeah. Oh yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5047.43,5049.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/486","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Oh yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5050.31,5050.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/487","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Have you ever considered going to a retirement center?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5050.45,5053.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/488","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: I was ready to move to Willamette Oaks. I don't know if Liz was quite as enthralled as I was with the idea. We have a huge garden flower garden, not vegetables. And I created my own hell. I mean I planted these shrubs and trees and flowers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5053.13,5068.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/489","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Could we stop just for a minute?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5069.2,5071.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/490","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay, we've taken a break and now we're resuming the interview.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5071.18,5084.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/491","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When we stopped the interview we were talking about retirement and where you were living, if we could pick up there and continue the conversation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5085.47,5095.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/492","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: We have thought about living in a particular place. Actually, we were on the wait list for Willamette, for Willamette Oaks Retirement Center when Liz was diagnosed with mild cognitive disorder. Which we knew was progressive and would probably lead to a more serious diagnosis. We did a lot of research, we took a class called Memory 101 which is for people with cognitive problems, which is great. And in that we heard all kinds of things about the future, among them financial planning. And what we learned was that if we should ever need to use Medicaid to cover the costs of one of us being in a nursing home, that the only things we could keep, if one of us needs Medicaid because we were by now married was our house, one car and $2,000. And so, to sell our house to move to a nursing home when our future felt rather tenuous didn't seem like a good idea to us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5096.59,5168.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/493","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We've lived in this house since 1991 so we've been there twenty- seven, twenty-six years? Twenty-seven years. It's a very familiar place to both of us particularly when Liz has memory problems and if she should need to go into a care facility, I would have the value of the house as my one remaining financial asset. And so, for those two reasons, at this point we're going to stay in our house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5172.31,5208.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/494","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We do have some friends who are talking about, wouldn't it be nice if we could live near each other, but the thought of selling a house and buying another house doesn't really turn me on. It's expensive and so much work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5208.45,5221.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/495","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: How have you found medical care to be and particularly with the idea of how you're treated as a lesbian couple?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5221.6,5229.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/496","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: We go to a woman doctor, she treats us fine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5229.85,5233.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/497","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Just fine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5233.46,5234.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/498","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: I don't think we've ever found—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5234.8,5236.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/499","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: I don't think we've ever found a problem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5236.77,5238.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/500","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: I don't think we've ever encountered any.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5238.5,5240.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/501","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: With men, too, when we go in for an exam.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5241.09,5244.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/502","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Yeah. Liz goes to a male cardiologist, a male nephrologist but a female neurologist. So it's a mix. Our biggest worry right now is our doctor’s going to retire and we fear that we will not be able to find another doctor because we both have Medicare. 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I mean we looked for of all things a chiropractor not long ago and I found it was very difficult. They'd said, \"Are you on Medicare?\". \"Yes\". \"Well we have all the Medicare patients we can take\". So it's kind of scary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5270.05,5285.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/506","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: And how do you imagine aging together?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5289.15,5292.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/507","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Well, we've aged a lot together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5294.26,5296.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/508","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: It's been wonderful everyday.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5297.0,5297.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/509","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: We're seventy-nine and eighty so—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5297.94,5299.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/510","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: I don't believe we've ever had a real nasty argument ever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5300.07,5306.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/511","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: We have eight grandchildren. We spend a lot of time, not so much anymore. Our youngest grandchild just turned twelve but when the kids were younger, we did a lot of babysitting. We'd go and stay with them for a week or two while their parents went away.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5307.29,5323.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/512","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Traveled.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5323.54,5324.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/513","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: In the summer, we did the babysitting for a couple of weeks to give them a break so they didn't have to pay for so much childcare. 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Yes. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5340.76,5342.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/517","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Do any of your children live in Eugene or in Oregon?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5343.12,5346.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/518","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Yes. Liz has one son who is in Oakland, Oregon down near Roseburg and he has one child. That's the boy who just turned twelve. 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She's our oldest and she's twenty-nine?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5346.35,5367.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/519","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5367.81,5368.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/520","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: So, there's a big spread of ages.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5368.84,5372.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/521","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Yeah, twenty-nine years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5372.01,5373.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/522","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: As a couple, how do you deal with the memory challenges that you have right now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5374.21,5378.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/523","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: We work at it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5379.09,5380.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/524","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Yeah, we work at it all the time and in my view, I think I'm doing quite well. But I also read a lot. I think a lot. We go to an awful lot of places to see and we spend time there, so we get to know the people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5380.11,5406.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/525","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: We travel quite a bit still.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5406.17,5407.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/526","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: We travel a lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5407.97,5408.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/527","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: We go to the movies a lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5410.46,5411.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/528","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Oh, we love movies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5412.05,5413.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/529","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: And we're very fortunate. We have a memory loss support group called, Forget Me Nots, although it has an alternative name, Dykes with Dementia [both laugh]. But we—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5413.58,5426.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/530","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: They’re our best friends.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5426.71,5428.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/531","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: There’re seven of us and three of the people in the group have memory loss. It's three couples and one of the couples has a dear friend who, they live in a house with a house behind it and the friend lives in the house behind theirs. We do a lot— we went to a girls’ volleyball game last night with three of them. And two of them are women who live in Springfield. And we met the first two, the two in Springfield were in our memory loss class. And you introduced yourselves and they introduced themselves as a couple.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5428.16,5462.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/532","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ooh! We start paying attention, and then they said she was a therapist and one was a therapist and one is a retired gardener. I said to Liz, \"We have to get to know these people\".","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5462.22,5472.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/533","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5472.83,5474.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/534","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: We invited them for dinner and then we met some other people who came to a garage sale at our house and we had a big long chat.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5474.06,5482.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/535","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Another obvious lesbian couple looking to buy pants. And Liz had a lot of pants at this garage sale. All men's pants.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5482.55,5488.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/536","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Could I finish it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5489.64,5490.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/537","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Go ahead.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5490.44,5491.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/538","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: And so we were each at either side and so we were inviting all these people in and then we could tell when people would come in that we would probably be interested in them. Off they left and they were driving away. And then all of a sudden we saw one woman running up the street into our garage saying, \"We really want to know you better. We really want to have good times with you. And here's my card.\" And that started it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5491.92,5531.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/539","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: And that woman, the one with memory loss, has had a stroke and then a seizure. 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And they're the ones, the Forget Me Nots, are the ones who are saying, “Maybe we should figure out a way not to live in one house but to live near each other.” So, I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5588.91,5598.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/547","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: And they would really like that and I don't—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5599.13,5603.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/548","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: I'm not sure I want to move.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5603.79,5604.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/549","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: I don't know if I want to move. 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I mean, so we've had illness.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5627.28,5632.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/557","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And some of those illnesses keep us from doing the things that we like to do. But our neurologist said, travel, travel, travel. 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Because you've lived a long time with this experience and understanding of what being a lesbian is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5659.83,5682.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/565","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Well, for me it's a totally different world. When it was the ‘60s I really was not involved with lesbians at all. I was a teacher and had a lot of students who really were important to me, I really did enjoy that. 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Although we didn't go to them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5950.98,5957.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/580","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Oh, we went to events.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5957.95,5959.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/581","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: We went to some of them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5959.23,5960.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/582","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: We went to events.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5960.21,5961.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/583","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5961.22,5961.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/584","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Which they asked us. How did we learn about being lesbians when we were kids? 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There were a few books.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5976.35,5977.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/589","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: The representations weren't very positive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=5977.86,5981.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/590","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: No. There were some movies. 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Believe it or not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6010.12,6011.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/607","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What did it feel like reading them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6011.27,6013.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/608","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Nothing. Oh, oh. Interesting. Interesting, interesting. Then we would talk and we would have to think about, well, what would that mean for us? Really, I've always felt so, so close to you and you and me being very, very close. I've had an absolutely lovely life. I have a lot of friends. I have the best spouse in the world. I have grandchildren. I have my own children. For lots of lesbians, one of the hardest things is finding a way to, if they wish to, a way to have children and have it be something that they can work through and be comfortable with. 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We used to talk about where could we live in Oregon?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6141.57,6146.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/621","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, we could live in Ashland, Eugene, Corvallis, or Portland.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6146.54,6151.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/622","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Go right up the valley.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6151.95,6155.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/623","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: We had a trailer. 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I think so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6262.25,6263.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/657","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Which is very sad.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6263.4,6264.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/658","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: I'm also on a citizens review board for kids in foster care. We see a lot of kids who are transsexual, kids who are— what do they call it now? Gender fluid. 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My God. I'm an old English teacher. I can't call you “they.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6288.56,6293.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/662","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Yeah, yeah. That is hard. I've been on this board for years and so when we get one of these cases, it's almost always assigned to me and then I've got a struggle with how do you talk about a girl as “they.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6294.8,6307.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/663","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: As “they.” No. It's kind of hard. Okay, so he, she or it. “They.” No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6307.92,6317.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/664","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's not it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6319.01,6322.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/665","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: The issues for kids really do concern us because we think we were so fortunate that we were treated very well as—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6323.16,6330.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/666","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Oh, so well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6330.63,6331.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/667","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: —teenagers in school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6331.68,6332.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/668","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Well, walking down the aisles in high school, holding hands. To me, that says all those kids that we— we were really a part of the system and they didn't care. 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We really were.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6361.36,6363.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/674","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Would you have advice for a young person who's watching your interview now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6363.32,6367.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/675","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Yes. My advice would be to never forget that you're a human being with wants and needs. If your need is to be a person who wants to be a lesbian then we will help you or we'll find places to help you because they are now available to have people who are going to be supportive of you every day. If you're not ready to even think about that or if it appears too dangerous, if your parents are still involved with you in your life— I certainly had a lot of clients whose parents said, \"You are not going to do that in my house. It's ugly. It's bad. It's sick.\" I really had to develop a way to talk to these kids because they really felt lost. I would ask them, \"Well, if you don't want to go back to your parents' house, let's make a plan for how you are going to stay off the street because I'm worried about you being hurt or are you being given some bad drugs or you have been introduced to people who are very seductive. But then also what you don't know behind the curtain is that they're very cruel and, really, couldn't care less about what happens to you.\" I have had lots of thoughts about that because we see lots of kids on the street and we've got to have a better system, much better system. If parents say, \"You got to go someplace.\" When I was younger, when I was in my fifteens and sixteens, I also knew at the time that if I acted out on this, all my parents had do was to say, \"You're going to the institution.\" There was no prob— There was no possibility. So yes, I had to hide and I didn't do it very well, did I?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6367.74,6519.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/676","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: No. Although, you know, Liz always has said since we've been together and we are a very good couple. We've never had serious relationship problems. I think we both were extremely grateful to be back together and it's been as good as we thought it was going to be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6519.89,6536.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/677","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6536.43,6536.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/678","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: She always says to me, \"Well, we should have run away. We should have taken my father's car—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6536.51,6542.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/679","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: That's what I always tell her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6542.66,6543.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/680","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: —and run away to San Francisco.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6543.63,6543.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/681","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6543.91,6543.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/682","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: I don't agree with her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6543.99,6548.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/683","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Well, for all those years I thought that was a really nice solution.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6548.91,6551.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/684","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Let's just take your father's car—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6551.86,6553.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/685","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Take my father's car.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6554.08,6554.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/686","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: —and we both can drive and we're going to San Francisco and we're going to have just a wonderful time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6554.38,6558.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/687","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: But I'm not so sure we would have been a happy couple then. I think we were young and unformed and didn't really know what we want. She wanted to become a doctor and go to India.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6559.51,6569.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/688","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6569.05,6569.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/689","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: You saw what happened to that idea.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6569.17,6570.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/690","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: That was it. I wanted to go to India.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6570.61,6572.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/691","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: I think that we are probably stronger as a couple because our lives worked the way they did. We got married, we had children, we had lots of jobs. 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I do think some maturity went into it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6587.42,6601.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/694","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Did happen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6601.7,6602.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/695","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6602.5,6603.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/696","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What relationship advice would you give? You seem very well situated to give that advice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6603.36,6609.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/697","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: What advice would you give? You're the psychologist. You answer that question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6610.52,6613.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/698","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Well, I talked. Now it's your turn. 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We were fifty-one and fifty- two when we moved in together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6636.37,6642.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/704","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6643.58,6643.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/705","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Liz puts her shoes under the bed. I put my shoes in the closet. That really bugs me though. Shoes under the bed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6643.84,6650.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/706","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: This is the first time she's ever told me this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6650.7,6651.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/707","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: It will never stop. It's always going to be that way. 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What did you think of that movie? What was your response to that movie?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6680.57,6691.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/717","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Well, I liked the movie. These relationships that start and they're instantly a fire and then go— it’s hard for me to believe in those being long and durable relationships. 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The mores and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6707.4,6711.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/720","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Oh yeah. 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That yearbook signature, “I hope you have a nice life together.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6807.43,6811.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/737","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: I hope you and Isabel have a nice life together. 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I think—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6813.11,6813.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/741","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: They figured it out. 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Don't you think?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6818.17,6824.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/745","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Oh yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6824.11,6824.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/746","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Speaker 5: Have you been to any school reunions?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6825.2,6827.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/747","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: I went once the year that it was twenty-five years. Not together. We have talked about going together. We have never done that. The year was twenty-five years. Both my husband and I went to our high school graduation reunion or high school class reunions. It wasn't much fun. 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I don't think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6851.9,6853.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/750","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: There'd be us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6853.92,6854.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/751","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: We have talked about it, but we have to go all the way to Michigan on that particular weekend. We do go to Michigan because we still have— Liz has brothers who live there so we go there still.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6854.08,6863.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/752","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: And sisters.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6863.82,6865.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/753","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6865.17,6865.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/754","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: What have we not touched on that— I'm sure there's a lot we haven't touched on, but something that you would really like to make sure we hear.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6865.52,6874.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/755","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Well, I think that a healthy old age is a wonderful thing to be. We have lots and lots of memories. That year that we spent in Europe was a highlight of my life and I will always be grateful to Barb for that. We did come home a little earlier than I would have picked, but it was important to come home.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6876.3,6901.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/756","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: We ran out of money, actually. We had to come home.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6902.74,6905.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/757","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Well, we would have worked on something else. But staying in hostels is a real experience. I don't know if you guys have done that or not, but it was wonderful for us. We would stay in a hostel for about three days and then we were off to a new place and then we'd stay there three days and we were off to another new place and then another new place and then another new place. For me, it was like heaven. It was wonderful. My clients couldn't call me. I had prepared them all, giving them all the things that they needed to do and this list of people that they could see during that year or forever if that's what they wanted to do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6907.1,6955.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/758","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: I think if I had any advice for people that it's good to have shared interests. Liz and I both love to read and we read different things, but we read every day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6956.34,6968.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/759","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Voraciously.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6968.48,6969.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/760","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Our whole evening is about reading.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6969.37,6973.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/761","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Mm-hmm [affirmative].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6973.44,6973.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/762","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: We travel a lot and travel together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6973.79,6977.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/763","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6978.07,6978.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/764","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: We're going on a cruise to Cuba in February.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6978.35,6981.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/765","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Cuba!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6981.94,6982.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/766","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: We still do that. Although, we don't do quite the same level of active travel that we used to do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6982.03,6988.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/767","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6988.61,6988.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/768","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: I also think we do a lot of talking. There's a lot of—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6988.95,6993.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/769","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: We talk, talk, talk, talk, talk.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6993.39,6993.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/770","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: We go out to dinner sometimes and look at the people at the table next to us who say not one word to each other through the whole meal and we say to each other, \"How can this be?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=6993.83,7003.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/771","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: How can this be? They're supposed to be caring about one another, but they don't talk. It's still a puzzle to me after all these years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7003.17,7012.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/772","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Barb, do you have any advice for a queer identifying young person?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7012.8,7017.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/773","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Well, I have really learned that it's important to tell who you are. I learned that when I worked at the job where I had to pretend I was heterosexual. One of the things that I think, and I know it's dangerous sometimes to tell who you are, is that one of the ways to combat prejudice against gay people is to let people know you are gay. Because when I taught at Trend College, my students always wanted to talk about gay issues in employment just because there was a lot of that in the newspaper. They'd say to me, \"I've never met a gay person.\" I would say, \"Oh yes, you have. You just don't know that some of the people you've met are gay.\" That was just like, I wanted to go [puts hands over mouth].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7019.6,7066.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/774","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: She'd come home and tell me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7066.3,7069.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/775","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: But I do think—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7069.97,7070.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/776","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: You can't believe it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7070.17,7070.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/777","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: I do think it matters that in our neighborhood, we've lived on the same block for twenty-seven years. Our lawn is mowed. Our house is painted. I don't think anybody, although, I do notice, I'm the gardener, and people come by, who've recently moved to the neighborhood, and they stop and talk and I introduce myself and I say, \"My partner is Liz and she's a psychologist.\" I used to say that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7070.77,7096.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/778","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't say that anymore. “My partner is Liz and she's in the house.” And then they say, \"Oh, I've heard about you.\" So someone has said, \"The lesbians live down there.\" It's very clear, but that's fine. I'm glad they know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7096.36,7110.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/779","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: We don't get smears on our door.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7110.77,7112.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/780","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7112.77,7112.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/781","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: We don't get windows broken. We don't get things stolen. We are just part of the neighborhood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7112.85,7119.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/782","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Yeah. I think that's a very healthy thing. I think keeping it a secret is, in the long run, not a good idea for us as a demographic in our society that we need to not— I don't say I'm a lesbian the first moment I meet someone. But I try to think of a way after they know me a bit to say “My partner, she” or—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7119.91,7146.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/783","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Do you use the word wife?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7146.38,7148.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/784","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: We don't like the word wife much. We've been wives.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7148.26,7151.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/785","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: We've been wives. We don't want to be wives anymore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7152.11,7154.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/786","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: We call each other spouses sometimes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7154.64,7156.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/787","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Spouses. Spouses is good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7156.64,7157.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/788","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Some of our lesbian friends who've never been married call each other wives. They've never been married to men. Our husbands weren't abusive men.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7157.29,7171.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/789","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: No, they weren't abusive. They were just men.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7171.18,7174.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/790","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Men.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7174.73,7175.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/791","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: I still will always remember one of the last things that Dick and I shared was him telling me that he was going to entrance Elizabeth, who was one of my kids at school. All I could think about was good luck. She was seventeen years old. He was thirty-five and I thought, \"They want to do this. I'm going to be free.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7177.93,7225.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/792","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: What happened to them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7225.49,7227.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/793","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: He is dead.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7227.83,7228.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/794","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Did they get married?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7229.46,7230.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/795","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7230.69,7230.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/796","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Oh yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7230.77,7231.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/797","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Oh yes. Oh yes. Very much so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7231.57,7234.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/798","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: She's still alive—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7234.93,7235.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/799","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: She's still going.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7235.82,7236.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/800","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: —and lives on the coast. She doesn't live here, but he died three years ago.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7237.01,7242.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/801","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7242.56,7243.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/802","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: If you were to think of a name for a movie of your romantic relationship and your lives, what would the title be?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7243.29,7253.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/803","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: The road to sanity. The road to love. The road to goodness in your life. The road to happiness. That's what I'd say. How about you, sweetheart?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7253.59,7273.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/804","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: I don't think I have any titles as good as that one. I do have a funny little story to tell you though about the grandpa who died. As I told you earlier, he was the great white hunter. He could shoot any animal that ever existed on this earth or catch it with a fishing rod.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7273.34,7290.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/805","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We were with the two of the grandchildren he shares with Liz, whom we have spent probably more time with than any of our grandchildren.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7290.75,7302.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/806","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Their mom was in Oregon with their grandpa who was dying. We got an email in the night that said grandpa had died. They knew their grandpa was dying and they were probably eleven and thirteen maybe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7303.51,7317.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/807","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7317.18,7317.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/808","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Young teenagers. We said to each other we really probably ought to talk to the kids. We sat them down in the living room and we said, \"We need to tell you something.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7317.26,7326.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/809","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: This is a wonderful story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7326.99,7327.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/810","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: We said, \"Grandpa died last night in the night.\" They were quiet and a little tearful. The younger one, the boy said, \"So what's next?\" I said, \"Oh, there's going to be a memorial service and you'll get to go and people will talk about Grandpa.\" \"No, no,\" He said, \"What happens to Grandpa?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7327.92,7348.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/811","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: I said the other thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7352.81,7354.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/812","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Oh, well, yeah. I said, \"We don't know. People have different ideas.\" They had actually just become Catholics and they’d gone to catechism. I thought this is a big question. I said, \"Some people think you go to heaven and you're with God. Some people think that it's just the end of your life. Some people think that you come back maybe as something else, maybe as an insect or something.\" Oh, I said, \"So what did you learn in catechism?\" I'm thinking I better get it back here. They said, \"We didn't learn anything in catechism.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7354.62,7392.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/813","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: It was a wonderful. Barb and I broke out in laughter at these two wonderful young people. Nothing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7393.45,7399.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/814","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: The older one, the girl, said, \"Well, I think what happens when you die, it's just like when before you were born. It's nothing. It's not bad. It's not good.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7399.88,7408.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/815","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Don't you think that's beautiful?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7408.12,7409.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/816","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: It's just nothing. The boy said, \"I think Grandpa will come back as something else. I think he'll come back as an elk.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7409.81,7417.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/817","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: As a deer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7417.82,7417.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/818","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: No, as an elk. “He will be the smartest elk.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7417.99,7422.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/819","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: I thought these were perfect. We all laughed. All four of us just laugh, laugh, laugh, laugh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7426.67,7430.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/820","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: The Grandpa was your ex-husband?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7430.71,7433.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/821","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Exactly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7433.39,7433.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/822","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7433.9,7434.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/823","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7434.04,7434.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/824","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: The great white hunter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7434.48,7436.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/825","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: The great white hunter. You bet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7436.71,7438.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/826","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: His wife is still alive and well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7440.58,7442.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/827","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: His wife is still alive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7442.41,7443.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/828","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Living on the coast.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7443.45,7444.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/829","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: The interesting thing about that relationship is from going from being my favorite person to being— she didn't ever want to talk to me anymore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7445.42,7459.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/830","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: In fact, when I came to Oregon, one of Liz's daughters came up to visit, flew here, and they wanted to go to the coast to spend time with their dad. I would let them use my car because Liz had a truck that she wasn't very eager for anyone else to drive. They went once there with my car and got there and realized they were missing the key to the trunk. They called us and my first reaction was to say, \"Well, we could drive down with a key to the trunk.\" Oh, no!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7459.99,7496.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/831","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: No!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7496.37,7496.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/832","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: They won't let you drive up our driveway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7496.95,7499.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/833","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: They won't let you drive up our driveway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7499.54,7501.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/834","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Because we would be bringing—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7501.83,7504.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/835","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Evil.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7504.85,7505.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/836","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: —lesbian evil to their house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7505.39,7506.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/837","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: But then you know what we discovered? Barb and I—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7506.84,7509.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/838","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Then I remembered there was a button—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7509.17,7510.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/839","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: There was a key.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7510.47,7511.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/840","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: No, there wasn't. There was a button on it. It was a Honda. There was something in the car itself that you could push and make the trunk open up. Yeah. We didn't have to drive down there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7511.51,7521.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/841","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: We didn't have to drive down there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7521.32,7522.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/842","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: But now, talk about prejudice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7522.34,7524.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/843","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Talk about prejudice. That's one of the few times that even within my own family that I've ever met that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7524.46,7533.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/844","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Now, she comes to our house, but we're never supposed to go to hers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7533.37,7539.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/845","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: She was the one who had attitude, not the ex-husband?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7539.32,7542.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/846","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: They both did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7543.54,7544.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/847","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: They both did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7544.66,7544.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/848","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: They both did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7544.81,7544.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/849","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Yeah. That was what? Forty years ago?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7544.97,7552.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/850","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Yeah. Forty years ago. She's still in that place. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7552.62,7561.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/851","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Prejudice is alive and well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7562.8,7565.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/852","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Prejudice is alive and well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7565.87,7566.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/853","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: But you've clearly thrived.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7566.12,7570.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/854","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Yes, we've done fine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7570.47,7571.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/855","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7571.69,7572.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/856","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Raiskin: Thank you so much for such a beautiful interview.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7572.79,7574.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/857","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long: Yeah, thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7574.91,7575.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/858","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Newman: Well, thank you. This has been fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7575.07,7576.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/859","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Webb: Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7576.5,7576.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/860","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[END OF INTERVIEW]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565#t=7576.92,7577.02"}]},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1634/collection_resources/56364/file/130565/transcript/92601/annotation/861","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/601/original/4747_Coll520_do040_aligned.vtt?1776852367","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/092/601/original/4747_Coll520_do040_aligned.vtt?1776852367"}]}]}]}