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I like missionary, the upset aborigine declared, but missionary doesn't like me. A missionary who is liked and respected by everyone in this man-eating lumber business is with us this evening to discuss his adventures in the wilds of Europe. Cleve Egitt, executive vice president of West Coast Lumbermen's Association, fresh from a lumber trade mission abroad, will discuss with Lyle Baker how the pots are boiling over there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=10.24,48.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Summertime and the living is easy. It's easy now on the lumber strike because the annual two weeks industry vacation has just set in. It is easy on the markets because the strike has set in prices are the same and looking skyward. Tourists are going abroad this year at the rate of one out of every hundred Americans. Not so much a tourist as an emissary is our guest for this Fresh from the Continental Capital. Along with a group of U.S. Lumbermen, Cleve Edgert of West Coast Lumberman's Association has just returned from a four weeks investigation of European companies and operators looking for export trade opportunities, looking for a hands across the sea way of doing business in this increasingly complex industry. Cleve, what did you find out when you were in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=64.44,115.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, we found out a lot of things, Lyle. Particularly, we've found out that the market over there isn't as easy as it is here right at this particular time. We did have an interesting experience. There's no question about it. There were seven of us on this mission. And I think our visit to the United Kingdom and to Europe was a very timely occasion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=116.91,140.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e We're all seven from the west coast clear.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=140.99,142.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, although we had one of the mission representing the Department of Commerce from Washington, DC. But the group, we had won from Seattle, representing Simpson Timber Company. Faye Fogel from International Paper. We had the president of the Exporters Association, Marco Heidner. Bill Slough from Georgia Pacific. Strayer Pittman from Culp Creek near Eugene. And then Don McKellar from the Department of Commerce.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=143.01,176.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You have a pretty representative group in the entire West Coast. Well, we certainly do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=176.34,179.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, we certainly did. Lyle and all of us felt that it was a very opportune time to make this visit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=178.97,186.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e What caused this trip, Claire?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=186.57,187.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, several things precipitated the visit over there in Lyle. One is that we felt that it was very timely to explore the opportunities abroad, particularly with the president's program of developing export markets. And while we have enjoyed a very worthwhile business in the many years that have preceded this, we wanted to. Go over and visit with our friends and reassure them that we are interested in the business that we're doing But going a little beyond that we also want to explore and see if there were some additional Opportunities for the products from this region in the export markets","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=189.08,233.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you find many of them, Claire?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=234.44,235.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, we found some opportunities, but I think we found real competition, too. As you know, Lyle, I spent several years over there previously, and I thought I knew that market pretty well. But there are some things that are changing. One of the things that really shook me, particularly on the continent, we've found that our major competition from. Are Douglas fir from this region with the African hardwoods.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=236.5,266.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Not Canada, eh?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=266.82,267.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No, not Canada at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=267.89,269.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That's amazing, Clare.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=269.04,270.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you see, our Douglas fir lumber is used in the joinery trade primarily. It's used for windows and for moldings. And in France and Italy, it's used for rolled blinds, in England it's ladder stock. These are the high price, high quality items. And basically, the products that we're in competition with are the hardwoods from Africa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=270.67,296.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, Cleve, about 12 years ago, I was in Paris and spent some time in London, not, let's say, a lumber trade mission, but in the export and import business, and I must confess that one of the first things I did over there as part of my job was to get some lumber moving out of French Equatorial after. Is that competition growth or is it really serious?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=297.2,318.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think that must be part of it, Lyle. It really is. But of course, the upcoming African nations are interested in their export trade. And one thing that has happened, of course is the equipment that we've developed in this area is now going over there, the big tractors. And so the big African hardwood logs are now coming out as they never have before. And these are remanufactured in Europe into the uses that our product is going. Just to bring this point home, when we visited Amsterdam in the Netherlands, they have a structure of the trade there similar to many countries where there is an overall timber trade federation. They break it down into the different sections. We were surprised to find us assigned to the hardwood group. And yet, when you analyze it, really... The people who are importing the hardwoods and importing our Douglas fir and California redwood and cedar, these uses, these end uses, are really quite comparable. And they're much more appropriate than for us to be in the softwood group from Russia and the Baltic countries and Canada too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=318.88,392.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e In effect, and they've taken us out of the pine category and put us into the structural category.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=392.91,396.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, more than structural, we're going into the high-quality type of usage, and of course we have something going for us in our Douglas fir in as much as it is a preferred species in Europe. There's just no question of it. It has a long reputation of successful usage, but in so many things in life, price is determining factor. And this is the thing that we were concerned with, because we are getting a little bit out of sight. Our product over there, of course, is selling by the time it's landed there for $225 a thousand. And this a lot of money. It's a very worthwhile business, as far as our mills are concerned. And it was just very appropriate for us to go over there and talk to our customers. First time that a group has ever gone over from the Pacific Northwest as a group to talk to our customers and find out what was bothering them if there were problems and uncover them and let them get a few things off their chest. And so we were a sounding board to a large extent for some of the problems that they have and this is all embodied in some of their recommendations that we have come up with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=397.74,479.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e What kind of a reception did you receive generally, or specifically? Tell us about the different people that you talked to and what kind of reception that you did get.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=479.42,487.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think we could go on all night talking about it because every city and every country was different. Perhaps the most interesting experience, it was somewhat typical, although a little bit unique. And I can describe very briefly, I think, our visit to Le Havre. We had journeyed from Hamburg and Milan down into France. We spent one day and Paris working and another day. Well we won't go into that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=488.29,520.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Let's stay on the lover.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=521.37,522.929"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Then on Sunday, and we did work on the weekends on this trip, we took the train down to Lahar, which is about a three-hour journey on the train.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=523.09,532.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Excuse me, was this public relations work on the weekend, or?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=532.98,535.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, there were a lot of activities on the weekend, both public and private relations, I believe. Excuse me for interrupting. Well, when we got to La Harve, and this was a Sunday, we got in about six o'clock in the evening, we were a little impressed the fact that the timber trade came out in the cars to meet us at the train and escort us to the hotel, and we had a little social gathering that evening. And they advised us that the next morning they would be... Around to the hotel to pick up our party and we were a little bit surprised when they were on the doorstep with I think about 14 Citroen cars plus two motorcycle policemen escorts to take us around to Le Harve and we went out, inspected the docks where our lumber is discharged and the other products coming in there. And then we went out to three plants to inspect their facilities and to see our product in actual use. We went to one large company manufacturing moldings and this Douglas fir was coming out in great fashion. We went on to another plant where they were manufacturing blinds, these rolled blinds which are so popular in France and Italy. And incidentally, about 80% of our product is going into that, which just seems. Fantastic for when you look at it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=536.4,625.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Was this the United States for a Canadian?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=625.67,627.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No, this was primarily Douglas fir. I mean, most of the clear Douglas fir comes from our area. Some of it's trans shipped to Canada and then goes over.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=627.21,636.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I'd like to ask something, Cleve. With our Douglas Fir products so popular and so expensive, what kind of a market do we have?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=636.56,644.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it's a good market, and it varies from country to country. Frankly, we're not getting enough of the UK market. The UK is one of the big importers of softwood, and we're getting a very minor share of that market. Similarly, in Holland and Belgium, we're a small share of the market. It increases substantially in Germany and in France and in Italy. Well, last year in Italy, for example, we did about six and a half million dollars worth of business in that market.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=646.04,675.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What is it used for primarily in these countries?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=676.5,678.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Again, it varies from country to country, but in Italy, every apartment building, every window has a rolled blind. It's not a Venetian blind, it's on the outside. It's a slat, a wood slat. And this is all Douglas Fir, virtually.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=678.88,696.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Is it used more for this than is for structural memory?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=696.73,698.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, we don't we're not participating in the structural market","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=698.89,702.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Is the are the African words. Are they taking over the structural market play.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=702.37,706.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No, we well now that's an interesting point because getting back to Paris we went out to one construction site just to show that we did work in Paris. We went out a project that's a sports arena which is under construction. Already they have constructed two Olympic-sized pools and these are cantilevered glued laminated arches over both pools and alongside of this is a huge sports arena. And these arches that comprise this building are 300 feet across, and the whole building is 460 feet long. Now, if you can imagine this in glulam, the arches themselves are six feet in depth at the base. Two feet in depths at the top. There are 96 laminations in it. No Douglas fir, unfortunately. This is Baltic redwood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=706.98,762.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Symbolic redwood. That's not like our redwood, is it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=763.42,767.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it is similar. Well, you got to understand the classification of lumber in Europe. They're divided up into what they call the whitewoods or the redwoods. Now, we would put hemlock into the whitewood category and douglas fir into the red wood category. It's basically a pine, whereas the Baltic spruce is called a whitewood. I see. But they're using lumber in a very sophisticated manner in many cases. This particular sports arena, it's the largest glulam building in the world. It's larger than anything we have in the United States.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=767.62,806.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Bigger than those hangers that we can build out on the coast even, eh?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=806.42,809.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e There's another set of arches under fabrication in Bruges, which is in Belgium. And they're going to be 20 feet wider, as far as the arches are concerned. So we sometimes think that we've got all the answers in the structural uses of lumber. But the fact remains is they're doing a tremendous lot. We're not participating in this market too much. And this is one of the areas where I think we have some opportunities.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=809.74,840.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Is it because, to an agreement, technically behind these people?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=841.2,845.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No, labor costs enter into this Lyle to a large extent. Now, these arches I'm referring to with 96 laminations, and this is 95 glue lines, and the layup of these members is just fantastic. Labor costs are still relatively low there, although they're rising. So they can afford to put in more labor than we can. We tend to put more material. We'd use in a... Arch such as that a two-inch lumber where you're they're using one inch and all of these things enter into it but mind you there are other things where they I think are probably ahead of us we went out to visit a church in Holland which was just being completed this is a hyperbolic paraboloid you remember the one we built for the centennial here well this was a king-size addition of that. And it rather shook me, too, because the whole roof structure was California redwood. And I didn't even know we were getting much redwood over to that market. This has come about because the Canadians over the years have developed a good market for cedar over there. And it has a preference. And if you've been following the price of cedar, you know what is happening to it. And they're concerned about price, too. So they have looked around for alternate sources of supply. And they... Hit upon California redwood which is having a very good home and a very good market. And this again is something that is happening that you have to be careful that if your price gets to such a point that something else can come in and take its place then you've lost this market. This is the place we are with the African hardwoods today which are basically more expensive. There are problems with the usage of these. But if we price ourselves too far out of the market, then it's going to be gone forever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=846.39,965.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Tell me, Cleve, did you come out with some positive thoughts as recommendations that you would make to the industry as to where we should go from here to, let's say, perhaps not secure these markets, at least start to penetrate them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=966.24,977.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, we came up with five major recommendations. Number one, as a primary element in getting our product to the market area, of course, is our shipping costs. This is something that has concerned us a great deal over the past couple of years. We were successful in getting a bill introduced in Congress at the last session. It didn't get anywhere, but it was reintroduced in the current session of Congress. Both in the Senate and the House. And fortunately, Senator Magnuson has got this amendment of the Shipping Act through the Senate now. It's been reported favorably out of the House, three bills. Mr. Tollison and Julia Butler Hanson have both sponsored these bills. What it really does, Lyle, is it classifies lumber as a bulk commodity, as far as shipping is concerned. And, um... We're hopeful that this will come into law now, because we must ship on published conference rates that do change, but they tend to be somewhat static and less flexible than we would like. They don't follow world charter markets. So if we can get ourselves into a position where we have our product free to negotiate our own rates, then we think we've got a pretty good active traffic department that can sit down with the steamship conferences and reduce our shipping costs to some of these markets and make ourselves more competitive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=977.92,1072.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I'd like to see Batchelor tackle that one because I don't know of any more one effective in the traffic business than Batch.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1072.96,1078.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that's right, Lyle. We have a good traffic department and we're more than confident that this bill is going to come through. We've only had one area of ejection so far, and that's from the Maritime Commission, but everybody else is behind it, including the steamship conferences, so I think we're going to be successful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1078.9,1101.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, as a matter of fact, Cleve, I think that the West Coast Lumbermen's Association in the last 20 years has trained every traffic department in the lumber business.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1101.65,1108.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I used to work for Batch, you know, and he used to tell me that he kept losing his good men all the time, you know, through his own auspices, of course, because he was really training them for other firms. And somebody come along and say, what about so and so and so, he would give them up with a tear and a smile. But still, I think you're quite right. He did. He has trained most of the traffic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1110.03,1133.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e If you can, let's say, in effect can get a reduction in freight rates, which this would entail, what other points were in your five recommendations?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1133.9,1142.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, the second one is a straight off the shoulder one to the industry itself, Lyle. Frankly, although we saw our product over there well-manufactured in some instances, we also saw some examples of poorly manufactured Douglas fur from our region.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1142.89,1166.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That's an honest look at it, Claire.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1166.58,1168.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think we've got to pay more attention to the end use of the product over there. You see, they have several things working in their behalf which don't accrue in our own domestic market. For example, a big importer who gets his parcels in, he stacks them up in the alleyway, and his buyers come in and they look at the end of the parcel. And to a large extent, this is his impression of what he is buying. And sometimes we have seen some poorly trimmed Douglas fir, not properly identified with attractive red ink. It's often been a black, smeary mark on the end. We've had irregular sometimes skin in size. These are things that concern the buyer. And if we want to continue to participate in that market, we're just going to have to do a better job of manufacturing, bearing in mind their requirements.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1168.2,1233.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e In fact, what we're going to have to do is do a better job of quality control and packaging, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1233.93,1238.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Packaging is very important, and this is something that's quite new that is happening over there. And it's only just started, but it's going to be helpful for us because we can reduce our costs of handling. They can reduce their costs, and it's another element that can make us more competitive. We've determined the size of package they want. We do know that they want some plastic detectors on the corner. They want an attractive-looking parcel. And we're going to tell the industry frankly if they want this business this is what they have to do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1240.02,1273.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e We've got to get it there so that they can sell it. That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1273.2,1276.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Now I shouldn't depreciate some of those manufacturers who are doing an outstanding job and I there are several and I wouldn't mention them by name, but at the same time there are several who are who could do a better job and we're going to tell them frankly that they better if they want this business.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1276.69,1292.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e How about the third point, Clay?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1292.89,1294.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, the third point is one directed to our inspection agency, both our own, West Coast Lumber Inspection Bureau and the PLIB, and one of the importers in France, as a matter of fact, said to us, you know, that our inspection certificates were the creation of the devil and the exporter, and I think he was being a little bit facetious at this point. Yeah. But the fact remains, they would like to know clearly when the our anti-stain treatment has been done. They'd like the date put on the inspection certificate. They'd a like a little tougher policing. And so we're going to direct our remarks to the inspection bureaus along that line.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1294.75,1335.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e This is a matter of bookkeeping and mechanical change in the bookkeeping, in other words.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1335.97,1339.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e This is part of it. Now, in the promotion sphere, we have two recommendations, both of which are a little bit unique. There is a lack of understanding in Europe about our grading rules. They're very complex, as you know, our R list and the old N list and our rules 15. And they tend to buy a product to and better clear and remanufactured in a product that it was not manufactured for. I mentioned our glulam, I mentioned ladder stock, they don't really know that we manufacture a product for this end use. I'd like to see us turn out a very simple little booklet that would take the products that we are shipping to Europe currently and put it down in layman's terms of what this product will do, what the rules are that they can buy it on and distribute around to the timber trade.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1339.69,1394.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e In other words, this is a matter of communicating probably on their level, in their language. I can see that. I think that's logical.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1395.29,1401.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Leave all things considered, what would you say is our market potential in Europe?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1402.38,1408.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Gene, there's just no question about Europe growing tremendously. You can see it on every hand. There is a tremendous backlog for housing. Much of this is going to be in concrete construction. However, they're increasingly using wood curtain walls. And there are new opportunities to developing all along. So even if we didn't do anything, you're going to participate in this growth. Frankly, I don't think we have too many opportunities on the merchantable grades, the common grades. I don' think we can compete with Canada or Russia or the Baltic countries. But when it comes to our high-class Douglas fir item, there are definite opportunities. And this gets into our final point, Lyle, on what we think can be done. I'd like to see us commission an outstanding photographer to travel throughout Europe. Photographing in full color some of these outstanding uses of our wood and put these together in a booklet and interpretate this booklet in their own language and furthermore I think there's an opportunity of us cooperating with the California Redwood Association and the BC Lumber Manufacturers Association on such a major project project such as this because we're not in competition in within this area. And I think the architect is the key over there. And we've got to reach him in something that he can understand and something impressive. And the use of full color promotional techniques is not very well developed. And I'm sure it would have a great deal of impact.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1411.529,1516.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Gene, this is going down your alley, isn't it? You did this for the West Coast Lumber Association five years ago, didn't you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1517.01,1522.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, a little longer ago than that. Maybe we can work out a deal. We can work on that, gee.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1522.54,1528.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Are you a photographer?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1529.419,1530.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I'm a producer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1530.71,1531.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I knew you were a producer, but sometimes producers are photographers, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1533.65,1536.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, a photographer has to have it produced. Oh, I see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1536.92,1539.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e At one time, as I recall, Gene did a job with West Coast Lumbermen's Association and introducing all the new grades when we switched over from the old names to the new names, Clay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1540.45,1550.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I think the old","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1550.66,1551.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e The old numbers, old numbers for the new name. I think this is an imaginative approach to this thing. I don't think there's any question that this thing would work. Cleve, you've been on, oh, two or three times with us. And I've made the remark before that what this industry has needed for a lot of years is a statesman. Do I overwork this sometimes, Jean, this word statesman?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1551.7,1572.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, in connection with Mr. Edge that you do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1573.42,1575.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But Cleve, the thing which delights me is the fact that you can sit down, and your mind not only encompasses just a particular region which you represent, but you can sit down and say, all right, we have a community of interest with the Redwood people, as well as with the B.C. Lumbermen. I think it's high time that the lumbermen in the United States realize. We don't have geographic or let's say state boundaries or country boundaries in our industry. We have a cohesive producing region from California, clear north to darn near Alaska yet. And I think it's just tremendously fortunate this business has someone with your broad experience abroad, as well as your experience in Canada, to sit here with our West Coast people and show us the way where we not only can develop new markets, but perhaps find new uses for our lumber. I'm very impressed with you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1577.53,1630.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I don't know, of course, whether they'll welcome me back in Canada again after some of the fights we've had. That's your problem in there. It just so happens that we do have a cooperative area of interest here. And I think it's worthwhile exploring.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1630.81,1644.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well Cleve I don't think there's any question but this will lead us into the things that we need to do to make this industry a lot more sound and let's say a producing economy which will be on a sound basis. Cleve let's develop this some other time. Come on the program and let get into these specific points.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1645.56,1661.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Thanks very much. Nice to be with you, Lyle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1662.07,1664.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Lyle Baker has discussed the strike situation the past week with members of the Big Six and union officials. Vacations have brought a temporary stillness to the ordeal. Rest assured that all drama that occurs relative to this summer madness will be reported as it occurs. Now from our guest, the man with the pipe, Cleve Edgett, your reporter Lyle Bakker, and me, Jean King, a very pleasant good evening. With the price of plywood falling this week like a runaway roller coaster, it looks like somebody ought to do something about preserving our industry. And tonight on the Lyle Baker Report, we've got just the men who are doing it, literally. In Portland this week for a general meeting of the Western Wood Preservers Institute are Paul D. Christerson, direct district engineer of the American Wood Preservers Institute. Don B. Bowman of Cascade Pole and Piling Company Tacoma and a past president of the Institute. Jim Ziegler, the new WWPI president and sales manager for McCormick and Baxter Creosote. And Alfred X. Baxter, executive vice president of J. H. Baxter and Company, which has six plants on the west coast. Now here's your host, Lyle Baker, who will attempt to discover the latest notes on Creosote.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1666.29,1810.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well first I think we ought to talk about what's happened to the market and it isn't very nice news. As we told you a couple of weeks ago when the strike was settled, the price would probably drop to $75 and we predicted it would be down to $65 a week later. Well it's not quite a week, it'll be a week on Monday, the price is $68 today and it's going to be $65 unfortunately on Monday. At the same time, ceiling has dropped to 5455. 58 60 80 82 90 92 118 120 and if things can't keep up the way they're going we predict that the price will be down on a standard index of 64 or 62 dollars by the end of next week. Sorry that's the way it goes it's a psychological market you got to take it down as you take it as it goes up. Now we've got some very interesting people with us tonight. I've known Paul Christensen for a lot of years. I fought with Al Baxter over the telephone for an awful lot of time and I think this is a part of the lumber industry which has made strides in the last 10 years far beyond the strides made by the general industry. I'm going to kick this thing over to Paul. He's got some interesting demonstrations. We're going to talk about what you can do with lumber to make it last longer than steel at last. Paul why don't you start this thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1811.95,1892.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Thanks, Lyle, that's a good introduction. Actually, we here think we're in a real dynamic industry. We're doing new things that hadn't been done for years before, and actually we're the largest contributors to conservation that you can find anywhere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1893.54,1907.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e What do you mean by that, Paul?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1907.92,1909.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Just by virtue of our pressure treating the wood products, for example, our cross ties will last an average in excess of 30 years. And we're literally saving several hundred million dollars annually for the railroads while still conserving our forest industries. Our products, by doing that, are allowing our timber stands to grow at a healthy rate to increase the... Reserves that we have and contribute to our whole national welfare. Now, the gentlemen here are with the Western Wood Preservers Institute, and that is one of the family of the American Wood Preserver Institute. We're concerned with our production and marketing problems on the west coast, while at the same time contributing to the overall promotional and educational work that the American wood preservers institute performs. That's actually my assignment here, is to work in consulting. The more people know about our product, the more it's appreciated and more it is used.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1909.39,1975.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, Paul, a thing that occurs to me. I think the general public doesn't really realize how many important things should be put into a house or in the building or a bridge and so forth and should be treated. Why don't you dive into that and let's take a look at that too, eh?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1975.69,1990.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, to explain our industry, let me show you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1992.19,1994.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e What is wood preserving, Paul?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1994.79,1996.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Wood preserving is actually impregnation into the wood of preservatives or chemicals that will cause that wood to eliminate decay, attacked by insects, marine boars, and another family that we have that actually will protect it and make it resistant to fire. Some of our gentlemen here that are actually producing can probably tell us how their plants operate to force deep into the wood cells, the preservatives that bring about the statement that we have a permanent material, something that will last 40, 50 years. And as you mentioned, a lot of places will outlast steel and other components. You know, the thing is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=1996.53,2043.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, the thing that interests me, Paul, the one thing that you said is that you don't have to present it, rust. And I don't know the middle in the world that doesn't rust, including the lunar, if you want to get down to the truth of it. So let's get in and find out what lasts the longest. Which one of these gentlemen would you suggest that knows, let's say, can tell us what they're doing in their plants, particularly?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2042.8,2062.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, if we start, I know that Mr. Baxter and Ziegler have some discussions they'll come on later, so let's start from North, work on South, and ask Don Bowman, right at my left, to discuss the treating process.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2064.889,2077.969"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, of course, the treating process itself is quite old. That goes back many, many years. It's done under pressure. Try to simplify it. It's down in what is called retorts. The material, of, course, is selected, given a lot of care. And this, I'm speaking of both sawn material as well as raw material that would be used for both. Poles and piling in industrial use, then put into the retorts, and retorts are closed, then filled with the preservative that is to be used, and well, as I say, we're probably oversimplifying it, but under pressure, this preservative lyle is driven in to a specified retention, a specified depth, that ... Will fit certain requirements. There are some preservative requirements that are not necessarily as heavy as others. For instance, preservatives to be used in building structures would not be as heavily required impregnated as that in marine structures.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2079.449,2158.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Are those timbers, let's say, that are against the ground, or timbers in the air, or what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2159.02,2164.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e The heavier treatments, of course, are those that are exposed to a heavier area of decay, such as in the ground or in salt water, where, for instance, you would have, be subject to termite or tarito attack. And of course in the groundwater, termite and rot and decay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2164.54,2182.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e What type of preservative do you use against to radio attack?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2182.96,2186.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Of Creosalt, mainly Creosalte coal tar solutions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2187.5,2190.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Isn't that the only thing that will resist Doritos in tropical countries? I think I've heard that someplace. Is that right, Don?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2191.6,2197.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, a Lyle, so that you're not confused, Torritos are not confined just to tropical countries. 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Oh, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2205.49,2207.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yes, these are a marine borer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2206.61,2208.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e What are they, kind of a water termite?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2210.1,2211.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that's a good way to put it. They're nice to have around if you're in our business, let's put it that way. As long as you can control them. If you can't control them, this is true. But Creosote, I think, as far as the industry is concerned and as far the technical people, so far is the only thing that has been found to safely guarantee protection.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2213.11,2239.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e What do you use for protection against termites?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2239.98,2242.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, there again, there are the oil-borne preservatives, which of course, creosote, tannochlorophenol, and then your various salts. Some of these other gentlemen, when we get into salts, are probably more knowledgeable on that. I know they are than I am. But creosate and tannchlorophthenol are used extensively.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2244.7,2261.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Jim, you're a salt man, aren't you? Yeah, if you want to put it that way, that's pretty good. Why don't you tell us about the salt?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2263.14,2267.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, the salt's used primarily in protection where you want a material that can be paintable and odorless and in general use for natural staining, things like that, and it's used to a great extent in home construction. And it's use in buildings, we'll say, such as your studio here would be, if you've had a problem with moisture or termites or things like. Now, salt is a salt treatment, let's put it this way, or a supposedly equal alternative untreated species is a requirement for mudsills in a home. I think that looking at it from an economic point of view, that if I were to build again, I would use much more pressure treated, let's say salt treated lumber in a home, than is required by law. Nowadays you find large housing tracts that are built without basements, I think you're familiar with that, and there's a moisture problem, a definite moisture problem there, and I would Say that in that case everything through the subfloor should be treated You have a house, we'll say 1,000 square feet, something like this, and you're talking about, I'll take a guess now, say 2, 2,500 board feet through the subfloor. And you use about maybe an $80 lumber and you put a $40 treatment on the thing. Well, it doesn't make any sense that a person should balk at using a treated product. It's going to add $120, $130 to the of his house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2268.0,2354.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And maybe 30 or 40 years for the life of that lumberjack.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2354.94,2358.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, right. You're going to get three or four times the added life to untreated lumber, in some cases, many more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2357.89,2362.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you people recommend that you should do this with a plywood subfloor as well?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2364.109,2368.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, definitely, definitely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2369.03,2369.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Why is that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2370.41,2371.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, plywood, from my own personal experience, I hope I'm not getting myself out in the limb, but I found that plywood, in a severe exposure condition, possibly deteriorate faster than a solid lumber. Why this is, I don't know, unless it's because of thinner laminations. But I found a couple cases of this that surprised me, and I think you get a very heavy retention of preservative in plywood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2371.2,2393.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you find this condition exists in California?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2395.23,2397.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 7:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, pretty much so. In fact, generally in Southern California, more so than in the Pacific Northwest or in the Portland area, termites happen to like it there. You might have two pages in the a Portland phone book of termite operators, but there's about 50 in the Los Angeles. Is that right? And the climate is a warm climate, and it's just more conducive to their existence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2397.87,2416.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e When Jim speaks of severe climatic conditions, does he mean conditions like you have in Los Angeles?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2416.68,2422.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 7:\u003c/strong\u003e Pretty much so because the exposure is certainly far higher in Los Angeles than it would be in Portland or in Seattle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2423.45,2428.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Humidity is a thing on a while, but you can't peg any one area that would be, you might say, immune to a thing like this. You've got certain hot house conditions where you're in a warm climate, high humidity, and it's just a perfect textbook case for rot. And termites we have up here, and nobody would believe this for a number of years, but we found that we have them up here too. So it's not actually a matter of a particular locale anymore, it's all over the whole nation that you find this condition.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2429.92,2457.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Paul, what have you got that blowtorch there for?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2458.08,2460.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, we've been talking about treating against the water termites, as you were referring to, preventing wood from being deteriorated by decay or attack. I want to show you one thing, too, how well wood can do against fire. Now, that's something that most people are a little surprised about. But our industry, during the last years, has produced a product that is gaining Commendous acceptance by... Building code personnel, insurance people, and to let you appreciate it more, I'd like to have you just see what happens. On this side over here, we have a piece of material familiar to all of you. It's a gypsum board, sheet rock, supposedly inert from any action.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2460.71,2510.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 8:\u003c/strong\u003e It's not made out of any wood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2510.9,2511.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e The closest thing would be the paper cover.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2512.71,2514.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 8:\u003c/strong\u003e That's not the wood products.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2515.28,2516.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Here we have a piece of regularly treated plywood, 3 1⁄8 inch plywood, treated with a fire retardant. Now, I will start our burner and during the course of the remainder of our program, you can observe now then, just what happens as far as the combustion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2516.53,2537.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e This time, I've experimented with all these, I mean, there's more than one. There's more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2543.79,2547.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 10:\u003c/strong\u003e That's it really.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2547.21,2547.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e It reminds me of the coffee can that was supposed to go out the can, don't you know when it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2549.47,2553.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e What's going to happen when that untreated stuff gets on fire?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2557.86,2562.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e You can observe the smoke coming from it. That's one thing that we'd like to claim as far as our fire retardant would.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2564.5,2572.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Tell us the story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2573.32,2573.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e The wood itself is something where exposed to the high temperatures may char somewhat, but you'll notice that there's an absence of smoke, there's nowhere flaming. And when we conclude the test, I hope that you'll observe and remember that there is no afterglow. And what we have now is a product that retains its structural integrity. During a continued fire, it does not... Melt, collapse or soften in any way. I didn't want to mention that, but you did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2577.3,2611.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e On my program, you can use any terms that you want to, you say what you think. Steel and aluminum would melt, wouldn't they?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2611.66,2617.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e But generally, the fires originate from the contents, and they'll get up to high temperatures. We're probably here on up to, we'll approach 1,700 degrees Fahrenheit. But the wood will remain, I should say, retain its structural properties, allow the persons to fight the fire, the content fire, if you will, without endangering the life of anyone fighting it. Well, it allows the people to get out of the building, too. It certainly does.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2617.68,2648.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, Paul, you ought to add about the smoke properties of this. There's a lack of smoke properties because that's a high mortality rate in the fire that maybe they won't burn, but they'll suffocate. And the fire soda or other fire retardant-treated wood doesn't smoke. What you're talking about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2649.3,2664.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Like you're talking about those gasses that would come off... Untreated materials.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2664.24,2667.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right, and smoke both. This should be, well, it was smoking pretty good a while ago. You can imagine a whole wall of this thing going at one time, how much smoke could be generated. And this is a fast way to suffocate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2667.7,2679.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e In other words, when you treat a wood product like plywood with this, you don't have the smoke that comes out from another product.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2680.49,2686.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Like","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2687.09,2687.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e the gypsum board is that right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2687.59,2688.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right, not as much. If it does generate smoke, it's a lesser amount of smoke.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2689.2,2692.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 11:\u003c/strong\u003e Al, how much does it cost to do this defibrillator? What's it add to the cost? About $75 a thousand.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2693.04,2697.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 7:\u003c/strong\u003e What should I say on this? I didn't bring my price book here. You didn't? Well, the price of pie is dead.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2698.7,2703.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, the price of plywood today doesn't add too much to the price, then, actually, does it? Actually, what you've got, let's say, on the price of plywood, today, for how much plywood do you put in an ordinary house? Subfloors and the ordinary stuff in the structural part?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2701.84,2715.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 7:\u003c/strong\u003e So we're not talking about this for residential constructions, primarily in public buildings, because this is an opportunity to use wood in place of steel or in place concrete. Because architects like to design in wood, and they've been precluded from doing this by the building codes. In downtown Portland and downtown San Francisco, for example. And now because we can fire retard and treat our wood, the building code are allowing wood into buildings where we couldn't use it before.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2715.81,2741.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e Remember that Will was talking about that when he was on the program, the architect who was on the program. He said, we brought this subject up about wood. Why wasn't more used in other... Downtown Dillard. Would this, if, in using this treated material, does that, can you use it in Portland, say?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2741.96,2760.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e That's correct.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2760.78,2761.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Are we getting enough specified in places like Portland and San Francisco? Are the architects using it? Are they cognizant of what they can do with this material? Or let's say, are they too darn far behind, or they're not using their imaginations of what can do? You know, it's a brand new idea.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2762.22,2778.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, it's brand new in Portland, well, I say brand new, six months old, something like that. It just made the code a while ago and I might add now that we're talking about fire retardant treated plywood here. One of the biggest uses for this in supposedly not incombustible buildings these concrete steel affairs are in non-load bearing partitions where you treat the plywood studs and this is allowed as an equal alternate now to other incombusible materials. So it's not just plywood, it's all forms. Well, let's say the dimensional type, not the heavy timbers, but the dimensional types of lumber.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2776.34,2811.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 8:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yeah, it's a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2812.31,2812.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e While we're talking fire retardant lumbar, I think that we might bring in another new product along with it. In some of the codes, we've been able to show the architect and building official how pool type construction can be put within certain fire zones by virtue of using lumber along with the treated pools, lumber that has been fire retardent treated. And I know that Al Baxter has had considerable experience down in the San Francisco Bay area. I'd like to have him tell you what's being done in connection with industrial buildings as well as housing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2813.89,2849.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You've got some pictures of this, haven't you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2850.32,2851.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 7:\u003c/strong\u003e I have, Lyle, a few that I brought with me, because this pole frame concept is not entirely new, although it's new to most people on the Pacific Coast. It originally started in the Midwest with farmers attempting to build pole frame barns, because they found that their construction costs were more like about a dollar a square foot to build a barn. We can't quite do this in a residence unless we can eliminate some of the kitchen gadgets that build up the square footage cost, but this shows you the basic structure and the foundation structure. That we have, and you can see one of the things in residential work that's very handy to us is the fact that you can your foundation and everything is hung and suspended from these poles here. The building is built on the poles and supported by the girders across, and none of your walls are bearing walls, so architects like this because there's a terrific flexibility in design. I say, that's damn, very interesting, believe me. And this is a completed structure. This is a residence that won an AIA award and this is a page out of Sunset magazine showing the AIA award, the residence that an architect did for himself. This is an A-frame vacation house built by someone. We have tract houses going in, particularly in the San Francisco Bay area, and it's particularly adaptable to hillside construction because we don't have to dig out the hillside. It doesn't, we don' have to clear any earth out so we don't disturb the contours of a hill and it's much cheaper. And the poles are set like a utility pole.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2851.89,2942.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 11:\u003c/strong\u003e In other words, you're going to criss out the poles or preserve them in one way or the other.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2942.49,2947.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 7:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, we sell a treated pole, that's right, because they're pressure-treated in our plants. Whereas if you were to paint it, it might take a half a gallon of paint for a pole, we probably put 50 gallons of preservative in it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2948.08,2959.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 11:\u003c/strong\u003e And add 50 years to its life, that's right. Tell me, Paul, on what are you doing on bridge timbers and things like that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2959.75,2966.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Bridge timbers have a great future by combining our wood preserving industry along with the blue lamb industry. We can obtain spans that here before just weren't conceivable. We have new designs of bridges that will span a hundred feet. I mean the costs are very more competitive than the steel or concrete. Many of the engineers will... State that they're more maintenance free. We have, as you pointed out, no corrosion problems. And with our oil borne treatments, there's no painting. It's a natural product. Now, while I have an opportune to speak, let me just conclude our fire demonstration. I'm interested in that. You can see some of the glowing on the fire retardant lumber. They're still smoking on our gypsum board. Turning off the... The burner you'll notice that Although there's a little the smoke probably from the blue bond. There's there's no afterglow this will not contribute to any combustion so that This is one of the reasons why the tests that have been performed. They have worked out. So avarably One of the things that our industry has been able to do to make this acceptable is to obtain quality control program through the underwriters laboratory. Now each piece of fire retardant lumber that can be used in the cold work will bear this label. This is a product actually of Al Baxter's company. There are others that are produced, but each one to be used and have the guarantees of quality will carry the label.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=2967.91,3076.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e In other words, when you have American Wood Preserving Institutes label on this that they know that this is fire retardant or this is retardant for so many years as far as decay, rot, termite, and so forth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=3076.97,3087.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e This is actually the underwriter's label. Its main function is to preserve against fire. It does add value. We're from a standpoint of wood preservation, but it is not generally sold and treated with that preserve for that purpose.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=3088.31,3101.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Now let me ask you a question. Are there a sufficient amount of plants in the lab in the Western states to take care of the demand for this material, let's say the increased demand which we know is about to be","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=3101.99,3112.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 7:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, some days I think there's too many. Well, you know it. Have you got the same problem with the private industry? We sure have.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=3111.43,3116.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e In other words, you're geared up, you fellows, that you can take care of the demand that should come once people become conscious of this is something that should be in their house for their own protection.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=3117.3,3126.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e That's correct.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=3126.65,3126.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, this appeals to me. Actually, when you build a house with this type of protection in it, both fire, let's say for the protection for the first 10 years, and for wood preserving, what you're doing is building a house that your children can live in and your grandchildren, isn't that right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=3127.39,3142.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e That's absolutely right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=3142.97,3143.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it's about time that the Northwest started building houses for 100 years instead of 20.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=3143.81,3148.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Good for you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=3148.92,3149.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I want to thank you very much, gentlemen, for being on here. I understand that you've got some of your people coming out in October. You're going to bring along some very interesting slides. We'll be delighted to have you back on the program. And I hope you can sell twice as much material as you're selling today. I think it's good for the public.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=3149.61,3164.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Thanks very much. Thank you. Thank you, Lance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=3165.54,3167.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I just have time to say that Bill Holmstrom will be here next week to defend the Markham Bridge and good night.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582#t=3167.45,3174.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1635/collection_resources/69172/file/155582/transcript/79295/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e That's spiritual things because God is the 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