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These guys of the, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=9.99,18.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Sir, film sir.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=20.23,20.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e That's good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=20.97,21.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e I think if everybody had a rough night like that, they wouldn't give a damn whether they're being filmed or taped or whatever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=33.48,39.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Before you had a subject, you got a little stone, dead drunk, dead tired. 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And then gets a performance he wants.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=62.22,73.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e But where did you do that? 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Many times it's a red zone, you know. Just constantly hammering it down, down,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=94.97,102.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 7:\u003c/strong\u003e I bet you're not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=113.82,114.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I guess I don't think there's really something separate in the direction of actors. 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It's like a non-directed, wasn't it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=175.92,183.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e I had the feeling that in the clown they directed it, because you've got those conventional setups.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=184.68,189.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Like what? Entrée, different. Oh yeah. Stuff like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=190.75,196.51"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, when he changed clothes in the little alley way, you know, with the plow or the shaft that came, that was all directed, you could see it. Because first you went to the first time, they had the frame of the street, then you could walk in and just a nice point of the frame, you walked in the alley way. And then we get him arriving. So they brought that action down, there's no problem about that. And then they tried to give it a feeling of candid work, that I didn't like. 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I feel the guy has been thinking it up. I think when you have Watkins, what you told me, there's a very strong viewpoint on things which is constant throughout the film.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=249.75,275.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e To face his newsreel look.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=276.22,277.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, but there is a basic idea about what you can do with newsreels, that you are allowed to make things look like a newsreel. And then this is the basis of the film, and Freyman is using another kind of logic and then suddenly you feel that he's been cheating on this logic. 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I mean, we practically agreed to that with the audience right away. Because I started out with a rather stylized way, you know. The pictures of the canal, the silence. The flash of the burp. The flash is hee hee. You know, which I liked quite a bit. And then the slow down music and all that. So we set the tone. And during the titles, you can hear that. You hear first, you hear those super-production chords. John van der Kerke presents... And when you see the text Beppie, you'll hear a dog going over there and say... Hello, Beppi, come in. She says, hello, Mr. Kerke. Hello, Mr Kerke, she says. For this is the way she does it. And then Yvonne says... Hello Beppie, hello Mrs. Kirkland. And then you get the next title. You see. But this sets an atmosphere right away. Normal and formal. And this corresponds to the end when she says, okay, I'm going now. But this sets a tone. You know that we have... And then, when you have your commentaire. I think you get the feeling she is telling about these things spontaneously and then she is acting them out for us. To illustrate her story, and this is the process. I don't present this as direct reality, I mean the outdoor shots, I don´t present this as being caught. Caught candidates. You have more of the feeling, baby, tell me about your life and then shall we now go out and film it, what you told us. This was the idea. This is how it actually went. And I think you feel it, more or less, eh?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=381.0,529.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What else were you wearing? 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Is it from today? The green one? No, of course not. 26Th of June, then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=577.66,582.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Saturday is the day. Saturday is 29th.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=583.05,584.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e How do you mean? 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You say that they're more interested in their group relationship. You know, this is funny, though, because when I made The Silver Spur, back in 1955, my first 16-millimeter film, the one in the Cowboy film, but the group of us, we had such an enormous feeling of elation, somehow communicating the great beyond, the spirit of something. 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But I mean, something that the kids would make in school to amuse themselves. But we felt, this is everything, everything today. 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Annoying. And I started thinking in terms of that may be an interesting aspect of his character, you know. To have willfully picked this very, very timid, shy and cross-eyed girl. I was going way off on the wrong track, you know, I guess, but it's funny how it turned out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=896.89,930.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know if it is coming out in mental health, I think they are, more or less, riding towards mental unhealth. Because you know there's this mystic thing involved. I don't think Nikola is going towards mental and health because behind it all he has a very down-to-earth purpose. 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Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1016.329,1027.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 15:\u003c/strong\u003e You have a good name, Dejo?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1031.27,1031.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no, no. Here, here. It's fine. Bring yourself in. You'll be out of the reach of the microphone. Close Harmony. Close Harmoney. Here is Yvonne Van Appel. Van de Koeken on the saxophone. Van Appele in the cookin'. In the cooking.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1031.95,1063.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 14:\u003c/strong\u003e In the cauldron.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1064.37,1064.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Isn't that the kitchen? Oh yes, that's in the cocaine. 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I can have it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1094.05,1095.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 15:\u003c/strong\u003e I can have it, I keep the tomato.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1094.8,1096.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no, no. I'm not even going to push myself off.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1097.209,1100.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 15:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, bye.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1101.1,1101.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Gaston de la Gange.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1102.65,1103.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 14:\u003c/strong\u003e So it's a pity that you had your conversation without...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1110.74,1113.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Microphone oh, that's all right. We can go on from there because that was just ground Yes, it was this funny thing that we here we are all of a sudden we're starting to see things It's going on all week long. You know this we've been talking about you know this Framework","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1114.76,1130.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e two things going on one is that you get to to know a city under a peculiar aspect Normally, he would take you out of the place, you know, show. He and I, we do this and that. And just by accident, it happens that all the bums come into the place. And that everybody seems to be living out of his everyday equilibrium. Bums, what do you mean? Bums. You know, guys, just guys. Not the most, maybe not the most socially adapted guys we know happen to show their faces, which is one thing. On the other thing, the guys that are, like Heijn, serious workers, we meet them in a kind of party condition. I mean, Heijn normally is a quite serious guy, who likes to be in the bar. But this is an aspect. We fall on we meet them in the bar and in the party and so this shows one aspect and which gives you kind of an insight and view from one side of the city meeting people only in the cafes and in there and another thing is that you have the feeling that something is changing in the people that are looking in a wild way for an identification, for an image for themselves. 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Maybe this is human interpretation, like the Germans say, to interpret into it. Because this wasn't what I was thinking. But maybe if I think back of it. Because I felt excluded, and I was lucid towards what was going on. Grabbing for the camera was a rationalization of this feeling. I can think of it that way afterwards.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1283.98,1321.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e A rationalization, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1324.179,1325.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e An expression of these unconscious motives. It's fantastic the things that were happening there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1326.21,1335.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1337.29,1337.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e And maybe you could either go farther and say that this was what was bothering Nikolaj when I wanted to take a shot of him. Because it defined the situation as being a mise-en-scène. Hey, that's great. I'm being intelligent.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1339.99,1354.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e Hahahaha","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1355.36,1355.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e No, but you mean that the fact that he knew he was playing the comedy and then the fact that you were going to take a picture of that comedy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1358.36,1366.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no, what was happening is that everybody, so you've got the lion pack. What I remarked, I don't know if you were there then, is that these people put themselves into the room as a kind of a mise-en-scène, like in a film of Godard. Like maybe he would, he is interested in this idea of mise-ence-en, I'm not at all, but you know, putting people around space, around in spaces, in rooms, like Godard does. To me, it's not very interesting because I'm out to isolate and not to have the whole, I want the significant little things and not how people revolve in dreams and all that. I'm not so much interested by that. I can appreciate it. But this is, so maybe they made themselves into a picture of their film. I had a feeling it was like a mise en scène, which expressed the feeling of community, the feeling of inspiration, you know, they took the guy who didn't want to, to sit down, to kind of... He wanted to show a kind of poetic also position he was taking in this whole thing, kind of... Of isolation? Isolation, the guy who was thinking for himself, but still he was connected with the group, but he... I immediately felt that he was not at all connected with me or with the house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1367.14,1455.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e I wanted to be, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1456.07,1456.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e I wanted to be. So they wanted to show something working together by the mise en scene. And so the second thing which was happening that you were invading this mise en scène and giving another twist and make it into your mise en scène. And so both concepts were fighting each other. And then I took the position of, I felt like an observer. Which was one of the aims of the mise en scène, was to exclude the others, to make it kind of an island in the room and exclude both of us. You were half in, sitting on the floor and on the lower level, they were there. You were down here but still within the circle and I was outside the circle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1456.77,1504.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Since I was in the commanding position","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1505.18,1506.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e You became!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1507.64,1507.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e When I moved in there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1508.89,1509.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but you became, you weren't yet at the same height, height, how do you say height? Height, height. Height or height. Height! But you, so you drew towards you, and I was completely out, and found out of it. So this made me grab for the camera, because I thought it was interesting what I saw, this mise-en-scène, but I also took it from the standpoint of an observer, so I defined my own position. And by taking a shot of Nikolaj, I defined his position as an actor in this mise en scène, and so he got afraid of it, and he said no, no,no. And also, I think, because it was just at the moment that his role as an actor was being undermined by you taking over the directing. This was what was going on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1510.31,1578.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e That's fantastic, you did that, that's damn good analysis.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1578.75,1581.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e This is a good analysis.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1581.74,1582.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e There was only one other thing, one thing you missed, because you didn't, you're not considering yourself in it either. You consider yourself a spectator, but you're considering the influence you had. I think that what you were doing was consolidating the whole thing, you know? Not only him, but your consolidating my power.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1582.77,1600.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, your power. When I took shots of you, I was the admirer of the master.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1601.25,1607.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e That's fantastic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1608.76,1609.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e And maybe when I took him, I was the guy who consolidated his defeat. Because he wasn't in a situation where he could bring over his image on a photo. He couldn't bring an image of himself, he couldn't give an image of himself on a photo, while being master of all the elements in the photo. So he preferred to sneak out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1610.71,1639.42"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Isn't that strange though, because everything we were doing was apparently geared, overtly anyway, to put him en vedette, you know, to make him star.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1639.99,1649.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e And it was also, I think another element is interesting, it is that in the context of our group. Has had to support a whole lot of loss of face, loss of prestige, because he had been hit hard by you. Maybe because he felt the irritation of Yvonne, I think he feels that. So he was in an uncertain position. And I think, he was eager to, when this group came in, to regain du terrain, du terrain?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1651.25,1687.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e How do you say it? We gain ground? We gain the ground, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1687.5,1690.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Regained ground by acting out his role feverishly, which he did when he went through the whole scenario and interrupted your conversation with Nikolaj.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1690.35,1701.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1702.82,1702.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Pinning him down to elements of the scenario, so make this relationship work in which he has a very definite position.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1704.22,1713.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e What did he say though, was it, he was talking about the scenario in Dutch, there you go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1714.09,1718.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e He kept interrupting and he kept trying maybe to break this contact between you and him by calling him back into the group. For in the group Dick has a position, has not lost ground and by this means he would be able to re-establish himself, also vis-a-vis the noob, as a power.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1718.6,1740.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 7:\u003c/strong\u003e So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1741.7,1741.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e So maybe you could also interpret this as a kind of a fight between Dick and you to get the attention to have control over Nikolaj.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1742.04,1750.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e You think Nick was very sensitive of me trying to get Nick away from that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1751.23,1755.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, he knew what was happening, because he was also very conscious when I took the photo, not to look in my direction, and he knew very well what was happening. And so in that respect you could say that Nicolai was not amphidat, but he was just a means in this fight between you and Dick. Then a third line, which I cannot fit in, is that you tried also to talk some shit to the girl, and that the soundman didn't like that at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1754.59,1783.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 8:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1783.45,1783.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e And started making nasty remarks. That is stupid to try to try your Dutch on her, he said. He didn't hear all of it. I didn't, I didn' hear. He said something about me speaking Dutch. Very, very nasty. That is to try out your Dutch with her,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1783.85,1799.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e what would be his reason for that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1801.37,1802.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e That I can't can't feel maybe just jealousy just jealousy I think because he I think that this guy felt that you had taken over the the command of the situation that was earlier though wasn't it it was also happening more or less simultaneously I cannot pin down the moment I know that this was the this was going on all and that maybe he felt that this square American and was taken out over the... The command of all these very special people, you know, and so he was maybe jealous that he was afraid that you could, you now, make an impression on his girl.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1803.43,1845.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, in fact, he knew I had. That you had already made an appointment. Because at the very first, when they introduced me to her, she broke down and started snickering and laughing. And I said, are you laughing at my dirty shirt? And things like that, you know. So there was an immediate contact between us. And I think that we reminded each other of someone, because she reminds me of James Dominguez's wife. Who is a lot more positive than that and assertive, but has something of the same features. And I found her sympathetic, you know. I think there was that immediately, because she began talking to me in French later, you now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1845.95,1883.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Out of, from herself, by herself? That is strange.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1886.32,1889.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e No, wait a minute. No, I asked her what Heddy meant. Was that a Dutch name? And then she explained it was... Yeah, but your head...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1889.61,1897.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Talking friends.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1897.81,1898.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e I had already spoken French.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1898.47,1899.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e But, and there's one funny thing more, I didn't want to tell her that you had been in EDEC. Yeah. And I cannot figure out why I didn' want to. Because I felt that would be, yeah, that would put the things back in a normal relationship. I was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1902.25,1918.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, predictable","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1919.22,1920.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e No, but you had just undermined all the established ideas of people about themselves. We are the hipsters, you are the squares, this is Van der Koek, the documentary maker, we are the artists of the free hip, stoned... They really feel themselves artists, as compared to you. Yeah, and I'm, what is my attitude most of the time is, you know, kind of cynical towards Nikolaj. I will make, there's one thing, with some people I know that I overdo my Amsterdam accent and get a folksy tone and make kind of cynical funny remarks and this I do most of the time with Nikolaj. Why? To be more helpful? No, no, no. Just to counter this artistic feeling and this vagueness. So I'm very. You know, when the guy will say something about, that would be a nice shot, I would say. Bad Coca-Cola.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1921.22,1984.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1986.4,1986.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Just, you know, sappy a la base.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1992.62,1995.06"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Which is my way to execute my power, you see, for the guys who don't understand how it is. Maybe even unnuanced in his expressions, or can be, or so little concerning, can do something which holds up. So they cannot put me in a defined position.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=1998.14,2024.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 9:\u003c/strong\u003e That's great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=2025.69,2025.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Now this is of course a whole other story how you change your acting towards other people. For instance with Freyman who is a very folksy kind of, you know, loud talker and fulgur and always throwing you over with ideas and man that's reality you have to put up with it and all that shit. Then I become the artist you see, or no I become the the guy with social conscience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=2028.15,2054.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 7:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yeah","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=2055.779,2056.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e It's a responsibility towards what I'm doing, because obviously he's very irresponsible, you see that in his film. He doesn't give a shit. As long as he gets the kick out of it, he will do it that way. That's his point. And you see it in his films. So then I act out, man, ce n'est pas sérieux, what you are doing. I give him that feeling, now I know that I bug him by doing that. But I don't know how it happens, but every time he's talking, we wind up taking, defending these positions. Even if I don' want it, even if I say to myself, I'm not going to argue with this guy, let him talk his shit. After half an hour, he starts provoking me and I take up this position. This kind of... Well Freiman provokes you then? Freiman talks half an hours, because he, Freiman feels, I think in me. I don't know if he ever thinks about me when I'm not there, but when I am there, he feels in me a criticism of his kind of... Regardless of vitality, he feels a criticism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=2056.33,2128.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 7:\u003c/strong\u003e That regardless of the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=2129.42,2130.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e regard, he has no regard for anything as long as it's vital. This is his idea. And I feel that I criticize him for that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=2130.33,2139.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e You mean vital in the sense of exuberant.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=2140.25,2141.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Exuberant, living, and so he starts just pounding at me, isn't that and that and it should be like this, until he has me going on the responsibility.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=2141.99,2154.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e You're playing a role, really, with your understanding.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=2156.74,2158.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but he forces me to play this role, like a non-actor. So I become an entirely different person, because towards Nikolaj, I prefer talking about Coca-Cola or something else. As he is very deep in art, we are sitting around and making jokes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=2158.63,2177.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e What makes you feel that you can do that with Nikolai? I mean, that you CAN get away with making jokes, making...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=2179.83,2185.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Without making him hate me because he's on the other hand must appeal to him it must appeal because because he has this double thing he can appreciate it because he is he also uses two things at the same time which is a business feeling for business and for what is to be done to to make people give you money and all that he has a feeling for that And at the other side this fake thing And, I must say, sometimes he comes up with amazing humoristic criticism of people. Humoristic descriptions of situations where people played a silly role and where he himself played a very silly role. And this made me, the first time, I think, made us appreciate this guy. He came over and he told, first he told one hour about film, you know, and I didn't give a shit, you know, to talk about films. How did you see this? Did you see that? And then he started describing some situation where he had to present a film and where obviously he made a fool of himself or so he described it, it was very very funny and it made us like the guy you know because it was a very acute So he has those possibilities in him, but most of the time he is on this kind of... Very artistic. And probably I tried to get through that by bringing it down to stupid jokes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=2186.07,2283.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e I was wondering if really you... It'd be interesting to see what happened if you suddenly switched and played along with the art idea, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=2284.97,2296.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but anyway, I have no technique in handling that. This is also a realization I make afterwards.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=2297.29,2305.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e But what you would be doing the i'm for the night for a while what he has no more role what you're saying which would be going to be if you keep you started playing art angles you know shots and things he certainly would have no more roles","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=2305.66,2319.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e No, but I never did this as a play. Only afterwards I realized that with this guy, I have more of an Amsterdam accent. I'm more vulgar. And afterwards, now, it makes me realize that I have some kind of a motive for doing that. And this happens to me with more people, with Frans Rijs, who is very artistic, you know. The idea, the beauty, the reality. La Bouteille. Shit like that. So, this makes me very, very folio. And I know this guy must hate it. He hates it. 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He thinks that I'm just a kind of brutal vulgar character. I have the feeling that he must see me as that way, but he feels also, he thinks that I'm very powerful. He's afraid of me. And more than I am, I have given him this impression that I am a very powerful character who will go on walking, whatever happens, you know. And I think he has no idea of what's going on. If I have any subtlety in my head, you know, if I had any... He doesn't know. No, because my way of thinking, he isn't interested in art. You know, that's it. Oh, you see it very well, we don't need to talk about that. When you saw his film, it's very clear. He once told me that... This is just a side story, but we had once a showing in a theater for many, many people and he had his first film which was considered by the critics as very successful. It was the two cowgirls, you know, I told you the story, shitty story. And I had my Lucifer film.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=2369.57,2451.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e That was the one he'd made in italy","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=2452.55,2453.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e No, he didn't make it at Cinecita, he made it afterwards. And I had my Lucebert film, and I must say my Lusebert film quite worked. It was, I think, the first time I showed it to a big public. And people were really silent, you know. It was a good feeling, because they were really silent, and the film should be seen in silence, I think, shouldn't be casual, you could get the inner tension of just these things being shown. And then after the film was out, it is everything in the world, sleep. And then for... Ten seconds it was silent and then the applause started. It was tremendous. And then came his film and people just couldn't stand it. It had been approved by the critics. The same attitude, you see, I talked to you about with the prize. This attitude of the art of film, let's try something which could have come from abroad. 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But the people just were bored, you know. Coughing like hell, and so he went off. And then later on he said to me, Yes, you now, all this documentary work about dangerous and all that, it's very nice, but I want something deep and transposed. Transposed reality. 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No, I said, you know, little films about paints and all that, it's all right, but I want something more, I want something transposed. I said, well, I just turned away or something. We made him feel very bad and gave him a bad time. You know, for a couple of months, we didn't look at him. But anyway, this is of no importance, but uh...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=2564.44,2595.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e What we were talking about, we're talking about your relationships, the games you play, are unconsciously with the people. What for instance, with Lucebert, what happened to you with Lucbert in front of a strong improvisational character, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=2599.05,2616.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e This guy impressed the shit out of me. Because he's fairly close to what to me is an ideal guy, you know, a guy first on the human weapon level. You know, he has really struggled for 10 or 15 years to get to make his point, you know, to have his freedom to do what he wants to do, you know, and in making this struggle he hasn't lost his aim. So for many people who struggle against society, the struggle itself becomes the main aim. And when they have ended the struggle, they have definitively sold out. They have a big car, and they don't even know what the struggle was all about anymore. But this guy has maintained his substance. And now that he has won the struggle he is even more creative than he was before, you see. Would be just thought to have the possibility to do what he is still doing which is a tremendous thing then on the artistic level i think the ideas he has are very admirable this whole idea of improvisation is the same problem we are dealing with and i think this film was the first time i really We look up to me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=2617.02,2711.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e With Lucifer, you're...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=2712.52,2713.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e I had been working on this material, on these ideas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=2713.97,2717.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e What idea is that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=2717.92,2718.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Of freedom, you know, so...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=2718.98,2720.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Freedom.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=2721.77,2721.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean the freedom of the material, so not forcing. This is also, you talked a lot about that with me, also. And so in the other little films about artists I did, it played a role. 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With reality. You mean the idea of the thing using what exists, rather than...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=2761.07,2766.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Dialog, I think. It was also in the Tajiri picture, for instance, but with Luceberg it became the backbone of the film, you see. We found that little. That's why I like it, because I really think it only holds up because of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=2768.04,2782.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you find, you found this in the jury's work, too?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=2783.29,2785.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah this idea is all it is more or less in all modern art i think is the optic from which you should look at modern art lussobert starting with a material but lussebert is really the the hero of this movie when you see him drawing it's amazing and he doesn't know what is going to happen at the moment yeah he makes 30 like that and completely dissimilar","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=2785.64,2806.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e In other words...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=2807.2,2807.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e One stroke at one moment, sort of tells him what the next will do. Yeah, provokes him into the next. So you sense that in that scene.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=2807.81,2815.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Especially when we have this guy at the table","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=2816.64,2817.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e Drunk or poison, what is it? Yeah, poison. And so what is admirable in him, too, that he has found in a kind of equilibrium between bitter aggression, because he's bitingly aggressive, this guy, is terrifying. Happiness, personal integrity, and humor, you see. This whole thing, I think, is very complete within his work. And lyricism. Great you know guy who speaks from the hills from the mountain to the people and yet he has laid a little bit of irony on it so we can get it over in our time it's a fantastic complicated thing he has worked out and which can put into can be put into action at any moment you know if you ask the guy has has gained control in such a degree that if I want to make film scenes and I say, okay now it's time for the drawing scene, he sits down, he draws and then something comes out, he has control of his creativity, it's fantastic. What did you find? Because he does, he makes some she-she with strangers, you know, because he has a tremendous mystique also about himself, you see, the German mysticism and all that, he is formed very much by this. And in his attitude towards the outside world. He has a fantastic defense. It's very hard to get to this guy. But in the mechanism of the work, he is very matter of fact when you say, we do this, he does it. He makes a drawing, he makes a painting, he doesn't give a shit. Once you have gone a little bit through the outside skin, he feels like doing that. When he doesn' t feel like it, he locks the door and you're out. It's very, very interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=2818.7,2937.31"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, if France Weiss makes you aggressive, and mean, and Nikolai makes you Amsterdamish, and Dick makes you non-hip, what does Lucifer make?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=2938.47,2956.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e No, maybe I tried to...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=2957.27,2958.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, you didn't, I just unconsciously...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=2959.11,2960.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e First, I cannot say that with this guy I feel at ease, because I feel that he's an enormous guy. I feel not at ease. But I try to be... To give the best, not to be stupid, not be... On your good behavior or something? Not good behavior only, but... Not good behavior, but... Listen to what the guy has to say and try to get the point and do my best to bring something interesting to him, you know. Very funny relationships, I realize it's...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=2962.39,3006.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 6:\u003c/strong\u003e You know the thing is, you were so scared of Bepi, when you were faced with a guy like Lusaber. What the heck, you know, it was a tremendous problem, it seems to me, to come in with your little pie-yard and say, hello great man, here I am.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392#t=3009.08,3027.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262392/transcript/79621/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 5:\u003c/strong\u003e It's inspiring because you have something to fight against, you see. Had you known Luz de Belles for a long time? Maybe four years, but off and on. And not closely? Not very closely. Still, I cannot say that I know that he is impressed with my work. He wrote me that Beppie had found the masterwork. He wrote to me that it's nice to me because it's some of the people whose judgment have a value for me. 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No, you see the thing I'm telling you... ...Coherent. Is this mine? I don't know. I brought my glass down. Where's your glass? There it is. These are yours?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5.159,16.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I'm sorry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=17.4,18.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I'm sorry too. But, uh... I hope that I don't understand, though, is, um...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=18.99,29.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I tell you, I finished my story, yeah? The story, because it's almost finished. Then there is a young man, very Beatle-like, but very espiagli, who we have seen in nice close-ups throughout the film.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=31.23,45.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Is this typical of vice's work? 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Yeah, the old bit about the...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=109.8,114.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but very short.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=114.14,114.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e So it makes it animate, looks like it's animated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=115.64,118.02"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it's animated, you know, and he reads, he stands on his head reading the book, you know, in this, you see the varieties far away, you know, bop, bap, bup, they vanish. 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It was shown. First to the press, very, very good review. And something like, you know, we are very much trying to re-nubble, re-invigorate our cinema. To make it fit the standard, the ideas of our time, you know, and to keep up with what is happening abroad. And so they take imitating what is happening abroad, out of its context, for doing something... What do you mean when they take it out of context? Like Mario, but... It's happening abroad. No, it's happening, but it's conceived in a... It's part of a whole range of ideas, of construction time... And also social ideas, this whole left bank, right bank, left bank group, a certain range of ideas. 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And in the case of Hans, he has gone to something very popular, you know. Entertainments like Sue and the film about the guards. Which was a comical, you know, candid shot stuff, which was edited very sweet and funny. At least not funny to me, but people found it funny. You know, this sweet film humor, which is unbearable. And so Hansa has gone this way, and van der Horst has stuck to this powerful one-side... 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They spend a whole lot of lyricism. A city is built, but when you look at the result, you would know that it's shit. But so the lyricism was just in the action, you now. Paffing up the action to something out of sight. 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Hanter also started out as a kind of a nature photographer. He was interested in nature, rhythms of nature. And he got something out of that. And van der horst is, was, I think, a biologist. Or botanist. Botanist? Botanists. And, you now, yes. This is a guy who, in the intellectual life of Holland, or in the way of uttering opinions or whatsoever, never manifests himself, you know. He just, he works on a 15-minute film. He will work three years and then he'll bring it out. And this guy is interested in flowers, in sea, in water, in windmills. And he goes on and on in using this highly overpowered montage, isolation of cells. I mean the shot really is an element of conflict, you know. To give, to express this very near sighted vision. I don't know, I talk sloppy but...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=447.61,533.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No, you mean with the near-sighted vision you mean it's just as bad as... It's one thing, you know...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=534.16,538.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e This is one thing, you know, one aspect not brought into a relation with what is happening to the people, because he himself has very much the mentality of, let's say, a farmer or a fisherman himself, without any distance. The only thing which has happened in him is that he has so much distance that he can... See nature apart from its usefulness only, but he can make an object of, an esthetic object out of it. But he cannot put it into relation with this whole society of which he is part. From that he hasn't taken any distance. You need more distance than that. And you feel as a characteristic of all the...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=537.26,593.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I wish you all the best.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=593.64,594.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e We feel it. That is the whole malaise which is happening now for the past seven years or something. And so now these young guys have broken through and we have had younger critics or older critics.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=594.59,613.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I don't think so. I don' t think so either. What did you say? I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=618.9,625.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Why do the students, or the young guys, revolt against this? They're coming up now. What is it they're actually rebelling against? And then there's a further question finally that isn't really a revolt.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=627.63,641.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No. There's one, uh... Let me see, let me see. Yeah, so I think people felt that this didn't have to do with what was happening, you know, what was happened in our time and in our reality, and more in the international film business. Before you have... What were you talking about in your book?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=643.88,684.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah? In America?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=688.83,689.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e That's the middle of the NRI.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=691.47,692.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Come on, Mowya. That's it then. Bit up!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=695.13,698.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so you felt that this didn't correspond to something like this. To what happened?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=704.24,707.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e To what's happening, and so you have the big feature film, which is one thing. There we never made it because we made one or two films a year, you know, so we had never the possibility to really develop something, you now, it was just, maybe sometimes, once in every ten years you would hit on something decent, you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=707.25,729.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e I'll back in a minute.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=730.51,731.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But most of the time, our production is so low that nobody is interested in Holland, you know, it's a commercial deal. Because they have explained to me that when you have, let's say, Paramount has ten films, and they have one which is, let say, the Bible, everybody wants to have that one, and they sell nine pieces of shit with it. They say, you take all this shit. Of our hands, but you need to have a mass.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=731.78,767.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Is that the way they do it here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=768.82,769.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No, this is the way, I thought, generally the film business runs. That maybe you have ten films and then you can say, okay, we have a hundred films a year, and we have forty that are more or less, may interest the public or the merchants, the businessmen. So all the rest we get off our hands anyway. We sell it as a condition of ourself. But when you have one film a year, you cannot make this kind of deal. You just have to pedal this single product for its excellent qualities. And so it's very hard to make 100% of your production excellent. So this is no... 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These two guys We had a group of secondary guys like Van Haaren Nohman Grono van der Linde Van Haare Noh-man There is one guy How do you spell that? No importance you know Gron-o van-der-Linde Now a couple of guys like this You had Max de Haas who was an older guy who was you know just before the war did some interesting stuff Because you had evens You see evens and then you had Mannes Franken who was working with evens. 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Oh, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=898.93,901.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, who is that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=901.21,902.81"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And then who later edited the Louisiana story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=903.54,905.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yeah, but she never became known as a person here in Northern Europe. But this sort of Dutch documentary, I think, had a reputation, which was right in so far, that these guys took a very, they took a small section of life, but a salient one, a spectacular one. Yeah, but it is spectacular in this way. If I want to show you Holland, to show you the sea, it's funny for you to see how this works with the dikes and the land below country. And if you realize that all of this land is below country, let's say the West, 90 percent is an inexistent country, you know. In a way, if you open the spigot, you know, it is gone. If they open the what? 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And they had the, I think, in the Northern painting, you have the same, we talked about this, the sense of the maquere, you now, the sense of the raw material. You know, these guys knew how to handle the film as a, you know, as a brush of the painter, more or less, you You know, the sense of the material. And there were very little ideas behind it, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=975.49,1026.349"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e That was his ideas behind the Flemish painting, or the early... No, no, but the...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=1027.3,1030.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I mean our contemporary painting, more guys like Karl Lappel and earlier expressionists and the type like that, you know, more than guys. 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The brutal effect of reality.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=1056.3,1074.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Without a screen of intellect or ideas between it. And these guys had this sense, and with this rather limited technique they had, you know, they were... They were able to get it over with, and I think that worked surprisingly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=1079.86,1100.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You're saying that Van der Host and these guys, the early, the first generation, this is almost the first-generation film, and then you take Van der Hoost, Hanstarr, and Steven.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=1103.92,1114.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e The first is Evans. He's the first Dutchman to make films. Yeah, he's the 1st. And he had a group around him, you know. Not only Marxists, but those who really discovered the art of the film. Who theorized about the art film and the shit film, you know, the big distinction about that. Like, I think they might be compared, although I don't know very well, with those people like Dulac in their look. Okay, what have you in France? Dulac and Dulac, yeah. And in France, really. Made up the program for what a film should be, you know, a film should be this and that and that, and otherwise it's kitsch, otherwise it is bad, otherwise it will corrupt the masses. But if we use it this and that in that way, it will be an art, it's a big A. 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Yeah, it was very old though.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=1199.2,1205.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e And uh... Yeah, and it went through the 30s, you know, this group of intellectuals. Uh, who got engaged in the art of film that way. Part Marxists, like, uh, like us, and part, uh... Literates. You wanna move it over? You wanna open something? Literators. No, turn it, turn, turn. Back the other way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=1209.78,1238.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=1240.11,1240.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Part literators who made you know the fantastic discovery that outside literature you could you could make another kind of literature so it's all linked to this concept of the film as a language but okay this was interesting of course","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=1242.08,1259.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And this is why, this is, you know, since why the Dutch film by these men has been so concerned with language, and it's, I mean, the old idea of language, yeah, of the Eisenstein.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=1260.46,1273.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and so formally, now you get me on it, that formally until recent years they have always stayed on this concept of filmmaking only as evens used it, I think in the right manner, generally speaking, that is for his Marxist ideas. And he went away to the countries where he could sell that stuff, where it had the frame. These guys used this vision of film to film fishermen and butterflies and dying.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=1273.98,1314.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I think they were using a Marxist dialectic language, dialectical language.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=1314.46,1319.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Dialectical language. On a vision which had nothing social at all, you know. Or maybe the social aspect came in by the back door. That through this all, because it had been made by Dutchmen, you would feel a certain Dutch thing. You know, like in the scene at the Grosse, the woman with the lettuce. You could break this up, you know, in a sequence of shots in this whole Marxistic, you know, and your point is maybe trying to prove how, what a beautiful, lively action goes on in the Dutch market, you now, a lyrical bit, but still that crazy little woman will be in there, and so you as an Australian will see, hey, that's Dutch fishing, and to us it's a wrong treatment. This is what we were talking about this afternoon. 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And so, but at a certain moment, you know, so the feature film was nowhere. And okay, that's one thing. And we are talking always about building up our feature film and never make it, you know, because we don't get enough people who are willing to lose a tremendous amount of money. Where you should first make fifty or a hundred feature films and then maybe, you know, a tremendous publicity and get all the people to go to the cinema. To me it seems very hard, with television and all that. It seems a bad moment to start. But... So the... Famous documentary was a thing which ran completely apart from what was happening in other artistic fields, you see. So let's say a film of Hans Graf was getting, I don't know, we made a film about Rembrandt, which was not bad, which is a solid piece of work. But which didn't present any new concept, any new vision of this phenomenon, or any violent vision, like we would hope for something violent about Rembrandt, something, you know, vital, pasional. 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No, Evens...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=1692.19,1697.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No, Evans, Evans not. Because Evans had gone away and applied his idea of filming on realities, on social realities or on historical realities, I don't know how to call that. And so, when you see the films of Evans, you see that he has allowed his whole concept of language to be screwed up by what haven't. 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But it never gets in the way, or it gets in when his subject matter is loud, you know. 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And this whole, all is done in this criticism-less tone. When you work hard, you get the medal. Bop, bop, ba, ba!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=1779.2,1789.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Metals on your chest and then you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=1793.27,1795.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e And then you feel how phony it is, and there's only this kind of, you know, no, not even an Elan, this know-how, which keeps this thing going. For the rest, no Elan. This is not an Elant, this is a Tris. There it becomes also a system of...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=1794.62,1811.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e We'll call back on the older dialectic. Yeah, yeah, but... Of Al-Fariz, that was what we're bringing to you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=1813.44,1821.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But he was, you know, enough in movement to see that this whole concept of language. That was the impression it made of me. He must be a flexible thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=1821.59,1834.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What made of Alphard is so interesting though, in the events as it were, I understand it was fairly rough.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=1834.63,1839.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No, that's hard to say. I haven't thought about it in any critical way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=1845.489,1852.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But anyway, so we have evens... 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When I started out in photography, to me, the Dutch movies, to be a movie maker like that, seemed to me very square, you know. Because you have really to be passionate to be interested in that stuff. It was nice to look at. It's kind of square. Because of all the hippo things like, you know, we are, we were, had discovered blue jeans and French red wine, and you know the whole vice and safety, but it was, was to be found nowhere in movies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=1897.03,1942.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e We found that in that movie that nothing reflected the discoveries that you were making in the world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=1944.03,1948.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you had some hit photographers, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=1949.01,1951.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=1951.66,1951.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But you didn't have hip movie makers, it was always those dykes, those...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=1952.4,1956.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e At what time there was, what made, at that time, what was given to the tiger?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=1956.84,1960.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e With a sentimental play, which is also a limited image. A very, rather black romantic. Yeah, yeah, that was hip. And later on, client still is a hip guy. And why did that feel? No, and before that, let's see, before that. Before the last, because I was busy taking photographs before. Some portraits, portrait photographers, like the guy named Thévenet in Paris, made those portraits of André Thévinet, portraits of actors, but also of artists who would frame them, you know, a little bit off-center and stuff like that. What is called Thévénet? T-H-I-V-E-N-E.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=1962.96,2009.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Your E's are American E's. When you say E, you mean American E, English E. 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I cannot trace it back how it went about, but there was a feeling of malaise here. Not much was happening. And now something is happening. There are maybe 15, 10 or 15 younger guys who are trying to make films. And there are maybe 30 young guys who were writing articles and shouting and making a lot of noise. 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Might be 20 or 25, but I know that the government before, they didn't know what to do with their money, and now they get, I think, 150 projects a year, but 200. I mean, the government, I don't understand. The government, the subsidy, the subvention, you know, government subvention. Does it go?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=2299.82,2334.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Does the government subvention films here? They support films. Yeah, they... Now people are... 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One thing was that the film school was found here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=2420.6,2426.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Film school here now","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=2427.09,2428.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e yeah since five years and I think the first or the second year of guys that got out of there really you know managed to get together a little bit and they found this scope magazine and these guys and these guys really wanted to do, I think that very sincerely they felt that, you know, it was time that these old shitheads moved out and they moved in, and they said this very frankly, it's time that we move in, and for the rest they had, as far as I could trace it, little more than... 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They did, really? Yeah. They were able to... Oh, just insult them and so on, I don't know. And so a sincere revolt against this and a very sincere interest in le cinéma, whatever that may be. But they felt that le cinémat, c'est quelque chose. It was an act, a way of living, you know, cinema is a way of living. You breeze a little shit cinema, you heat cinema. And this is what I was trying to do. 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You know, more in the international style, which means, you know...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=2681.4,2696.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you feel that Scope had something to do with this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=2696.61,2698.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Go over very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=2699.02,2699.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e To do with the fact that now that they're...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=2700.28,2702.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, suddenly it comes out that film is no more a square business, which is important, which is in the whole of the thing, is important. Film is very hip. So now you've got film crews that smoke pot. I think it proves the image. Now we shoot films, we smoke pot while shooting. It must be a very hip picture.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=2702.19,2732.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, are these, what are the films that these people like? God I, it's good. Huxian.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=2733.65,2740.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Hitchcock also. Hitchcocks, Hocks and... Hitchcock and... But Gondar is the god. Yeah. That's no problem about it. You have one guy in the scope who makes the impression of me. I don't follow him all the time, but who really knows about films, you know, he can write about all kinds of stuff. He can write all kinds about Visconti and about Hitchcock and about Griffith. 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But my position towards all this is a little bit different to describe because I started out earlier to work for myself because if you don't separate the photographic activity from the movies, which you shouldn't, I don't see any reason. 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I can very well live a whole year long. It's not my way of life, sitting in theaters. And why do you make movies? What? Why I make movies now? Be careful later on. No. No, it's just to prove that you are alive. You do something. I have the feeling that I've heard all of this. My position is that... So, on first hand... I think that is alright, what they did, they created an enthusiasm, which also is very good for me, because really, I got people a little bit to follow what I was doing on TV, which would have never been possible in this country three years ago. Really? 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But also that it wouldn't be possible a couple of years ago to have a directed audience, an audience which was Bracket on a certain kind of subject, you know, which wanted to see that film","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=2888.72,2934.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Now it's possible. I noticed it. They will be able to watch.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=2935.51,2942.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I know it, that it happened that way, because from film to film I noticed that there was an increasing amount of reactions, and this is also, this is of course because my work got better, because I made a big effort to have it in the press, and you know, to get... You also wrote the press article. I provided material for the press, but also I had the press communicate, sent to people I thought it would be important for them to see it and all that. This is one thing. But another thing is that there is really now a public who says we're not just watching the play of tonight or the show of tonight, but there are a public which wants to see certain films and which has also accepted that you can see those films in B theaters and also on the television. What is that? Backgrounds.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=2942.42,3005.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, sorry. Shall we eat a little? Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3006.87,3009.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3012.24,3012.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e I love you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3014.18,3014.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And there's public.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3016.23,3017.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Are there glasses?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3017.8,3018.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No, we need glasses, that's all. Glass.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3019.22,3023.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm going to close. Can you help us? Let me fix a bit of you, okay?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3025.45,3035.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Say it, say your English word.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3036.24,3037.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e You just said a little bit about me, I understand. You said the name of the person who came with you. Yes, I do. No, I don't know him. He said he was born in the Netherlands. Morphin' it!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3041.58,3062.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Allo zi. Bode. Bode? Bode, ta?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3063.709,3065.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Sit down, please. Oh, thank you. Ha, ha, ha. Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3076.82,3081.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Very good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3083.99,3084.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, that's it. Good. Bye baby. Thank you. Bye. Bye. See you tomorrow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3088.54,3095.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You can just see the way it will work on a plane, and that's marvelous.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3105.93,3109.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Afterwards, when I see that face, I have really, which is a demonstration of false modesty, but I have a real feeling to have got this in my mouth, and I'm relieved.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3114.51,3126.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Thanks for watching!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3135.299,3135.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That's it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3136.03,3136.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e You see, we were, we stayed here, in this point, I think, as a development within... The relationship between, you know, those who have some money, those who want to make films. And in the public, I think what these boys did was very good. And it was, it is also a trend, it's in the air, you know. Also, Nouvelle Vague did it for them, you know. What do you think about this? A booty soup was tremendous. I mean, that was maybe the first time we went. And the real modern guy could go for film.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3144.62,3190.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you think that up to Buddha's sleep, the hip guy would be the reason to want to be interested in film?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3199.819,3208.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, the Abud al-Sufra was a very strong point, at any rate. Abud had had some sort of, you know, saffron, which had this hip, contemporary flavor. But not the Western, at that moment, I think. It came out here, and it's a further degree of sophistication. What do you mean, the Western? When you have gotten used to the hipness a la Abud system. Searching, looking for something square in order to turn it into something. Of course we have the westerns now. Sam Peckinpah is a big thing here now. We saw the deadly companion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3210.28,3256.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Deadly Companion, which is that? Major Dundee? No, no, no. The Deadly companion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3261.12,3266.14"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e No. Good. Good. Good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3267.87,3275.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No, you have to check her with the, uh, with the red face.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3276.48,3278.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no, no. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's cool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3280.18,3282.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Is that cool to sit down here, huh? Possibly, man. I don't know. Uh, I forget the name, sorry. That right, the high cut.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3283.84,3291.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I'll definitely contain this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3291.53,3292.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e That's it, Dad. Is that it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3293.04,3294.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3294.39,3294.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, my God.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3300.81,3301.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e He said it to me in English, and I think it's the best part.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3305.04,3307.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e So you are in the time to talk about this with me and say I have come to a point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3311.75,3318.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What you strike me is not really being as hip as the people that you talk about, or that they think they are. Who? Me. You yourself do not consider yourself as the same sort of hip, or as you consider them very juvenile. You feel, I have a feeling that you are of another generation, or slightly different. Slightly different.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3320.1,3341.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e So what is with me? I'm not older than these guys, I'm the same age, but only, maybe they have been added maybe 3 or 4 years, I mean 10 years, and one thing is very important, and that is that 10 years ago, when I started out making pictures, the atmosphere... Was very, very much guided by this group of poets and painters who had started around 1950. I think maybe 1955 was the last great year of this new group of poets and painters. What were they like? They liked this group of Lucebert and Appel, you see the Cobot, Jan Cochamber and all these guys. This was maybe the... We just got in there on the end of the Elan of these guys Oh, you mean the Elvan?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3342.31,3428.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Hi, my friends. What was the alarm? What was its characteristics? These guys, especially in poetry... In poetry, was this a kind of Northern expression in them? This is more or less now popular, you'd say.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3430.03,3449.03"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Mm-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3449.25,3449.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e These guys, in the painting, you see very well, let's say, a traditional, or let's say, from a painting, which is... Let's say either traditional painting, traditional, extremely naturalistic painting, or painting which is constructed on the ideas of Cézanne, it's a very brutal transition to those simple children's drawings of Karl Lappel. The era of the Cobra. The Cobra, this whole mentality was also in portrait. You know, we had just before the war, even the younger Poles.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3453.65,3504.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e The Cobra Group was a Dutch group.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3506.2,3507.52"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e The Dutch part of it was very large, it was Copenhagen and Brussels and Amsterdam, but the Dutch thing was very big. And this was connected with a group of poets, of which Ruseberg was the chief. There were maybe seven or eight, you know, really consistent working folks around him or with him. And what these painters did to painting is to destroy all sense of tradition. You know, it's a challenge drawing from their constructor all over the world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3509.52,3552.24"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e There was a construction of their own, what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3554.379,3555.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e A partir, to start from children's drawings, not from Cézanne. They didn't start from Cezanne, they didn't collect it, they started from...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3555.85,3565.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I rejected it, brother.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3567.12,3567.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, they rejected it as a basis. They started from the child's world, and on the road things came in, maybe all the painters, I don't know. But. And primitive art, you know, Negro art, and all that stuff. And then very modern elements, you know, so that you get a completely different build-up. And this is what those poets did to language, you They just made one big mess. They throw it all in a pot and they stir it. And so you got, you had before of course had the experimentation with free verse forms and all that. But these guys didn't even for them there was no distinction between a free verse form or a constructed form or prosodic form. You know they used it all. Or together. Juggling words, meanings of words, and all that. I've read you something. Listen back. And take down the image of art, for we see so easy job. For we see, so easy jobs, which is a very typical line.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3569.16,3654.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What does it seek? What is it seeking to bring in a lot of resonant meanings? Yeah. Resonance and...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3655.88,3662.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e And to get, which is very important, the matier of language, you see. And that is an effort, I think, which is valid for us, to make the matiers of cinema, to make something like a thing. And I think these guys were out to get to give a physical first degree quality to language, not to have it tell something, but have it be. And this was a concept which jumped into being these guys, and with that you had the whole post war feeling, no, no but the post war, general post war.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3662.72,3706.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Alright, this was another conditional.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3706.49,3707.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, of course, such a thing is very complex, and about this scope group, I can't tell you very much, because it's happening now, and I have no distance, you know, but probably there will be also a scope, scope, guys who are trying something new.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3709.13,3727.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you feel this Cobra Group is based on the development of certain principles that the Cobra had? No. Do you see yourself linked with a Cobra group more?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3726.91,3737.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e That is to say, I felt... I took the, I think the kind of a long, certain interest in treating materials in certain ways, a certain engagement these guys had, because they felt very much that their way of treating the heart. Had something to do with the way the older people fucked up in the war. In the sense, you cut it off, you know. You just find out for yourself and that's it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3738.35,3781.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e The Cobra!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3782.14,3783.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e The Cobra depended a lot on rejecting the people who had gone before the war. And how did this affect you in cinema, in photo and then in cinema?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3783.48,3795.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e This was a whole atmosphere, which was still quite sedimentary clay or so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3797.5,3803.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I think this, uh, this is, this idea is not, yeah, that bit, also.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3807.08,3812.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e It was also very much connected.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3816.05,3817.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e So bye y'all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3818.0,3818.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But anyway, these guys weren't cool, you see, they were cool, they said.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3829.41,3836.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Which guy are you talking about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3840.02,3840.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e The Cobra.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3840.97,3841.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, they were or were not? Weren't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3841.759,3843.36"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Weren't cool they were very much engaged this guy the writer who was here yesterday he was quite making it can write five pages about Elvis Presley you see this, this is cool people love it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3844.19,3866.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I have no idea what that was. Would you say that what is the name of the word? Van Vught. Elsken van Vught? Ewald. Ewald? Van Vucht. Van Vult. All right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3867.01,3882.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, he's talented, but to me, it's the same phenomenon. There's two limits of the world, as he's telling me. He's camp and pop-up. Papa. But, no, the difference you have... 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You got to 35 years' old.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3916.91,3923.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Because they had nothing to eat here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3924.65,3926.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e That NNB, so that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3929.029,3930.65"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Some sold out, some changed, you know, some change there I think got into more individualistic stuff. Other guys didn't do it very much anymore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3933.35,3951.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3952.16,3952.16"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e What happened to the movement. Now before that, I think they just influenced... The problem is my head. And the guys which went...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3954.05,3971.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Here we go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3971.7,3972.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e And despite the fact that I was much younger, still I was working more or less at that time. So age doesn't matter that much then, more what makes your setup. And now the cards you have now, of course. You know, I have a completely different attitude. There have never been revolting events against commercialism. And I think this is one funny difference. When for instance The discovery of the commercial cinema was, for the Cahiers du Cinéma, a great paradox. But it must have been a great thing for them, too, because this was just to make the decision that you will accept everything you are against, you know, and find a twist. Another light, yeah. And if you put in another light or find a twisting so that you can accept, it's something that is tremendous. But for these guys, this was never a problem, so they could start out. You've got to be commercial now, and be pictures and stuff. Scope, I mean scope, yeah, this whole set of ideas, the be picture, the commercial, the slick. For them, there was no pain involved. In putting this out, for them this was the normal state of mind, because they were children of the welfare state.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=3974.0,4083.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e In this sense, there are... And I have clients over in the Ware and Walgreens stadiums. I'm on the Walgrees...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4084.37,4088.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e How are you? Yeah, we feel that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4089.91,4092.97"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, there's a lot of taking care of medical things are taken care of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4094.3,4097.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, the welfare state, maybe that's badly said, but the state where life is completely easy and directed towards material well-being. And so these kids have...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4097.71,4115.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4116.439,4116.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e As far as I notice now, not much involvement in... No, not in culture, in politics, of politics of course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4117.1,4128.979"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e They're in social problems.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4129.97,4131.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Where's ice? Me too. They are interested in the cinema, and the cinema is a good area to live in, so they make this kind of stuff, they see this kind stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4134.229,4147.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e It's interesting as you say lay west down rather than in the western, because in a sense lay west down exists separately from the western.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4150.27,4159.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e For Americans.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4160.21,4160.77"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I was doing something and then lay west down. There's a little bit of an interview of it. It's something that a diary doesn't do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4162.1,4167.58"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e That's all. In short, you can say that this whole thing is, uh... In it's a long very valid and nice for everybody and all that but in it It's weight, I mean, it's importance for wood, in its intrinsic importance, as it seems to me, is very provincial. Do you think it's imitating and derivative? Yes, derivative. I mean it's novel. And, but of course you cannot say maybe these guys will apply what they are going for now. 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Nikolai, Van, Sir, Hyde. Hyde? Hyde! Hyde, G? H. Hey h-e-y-a-d-e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4232.71,4263.6"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Y-E-T-E N","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4274.64,4277.3"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e They don't have an I or a B, do they? Do you have an M? No, they don't. Anyway, we don't pronounce the M, so that's why she didn't help. But he made the... An interesting thing which was knocked out of credit because there is, and that's a funny thing. They said, yeah, he had all the show demo and the Kodaris, all the fittest. Because what Weiss does in a very delicate and well-balanced way. Because Weiss never was unbalanced, you know, he just right away knew how to run this. I'm just saying, he hasn't even asked me. Nikolai made something very uneven, you know, very... Looked kind of shitty and was too long and was very unabashed private jokes, much more frank than the other guys. And the situation is this, of the story, what he was doing. There's a kind of an attic, a studio, a painter. And in this place, there are maybe 15 people gathered who are sitting around, talking, drinking. And in the little side room, there's a woman who's going to have a child. And her husband has commissioned the cameraman to make a film about the birth of the child. 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People, you now, just before the birth, everybody starts dancing. And so the cameraman is really happy because the interaction is so nice. And you have these bits of people talking into the camera, you know, just stop and stop and put out that camera, you bastard, into the cameras, this whole little connection bit and all that. I cannot say it was a good film, but it was, at least, you felt that somehow, it was funny sometimes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4277.26,4516.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e That's something to do with much like","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4518.69,4520.37"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e with all those young people, how those young, young people live, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4521.47,4525.47"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Um, tell me, I have a feeling that you... But this is...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4527.43,4529.87"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But this is so much more interesting than what Weiss is doing, who is only taking the esthetic outside, as far as I, the chic side.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4529.33,4537.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And you say there are other people who are just imitating the French New Wave, the news.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4541.43,4549.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but now I think my objection to what Nikolaj is doing up until now is that... Nikolai what? Nikolay van der Heijden. The guy who made the film about the birth. Is that in what he, what I appreciate are the underlying things, you see. I see that he is, you know, sympathetic or an attitude of which I, which I like. But in what he is giving, and for this reason he was knocked to death, he's only irritated. Like you see the connection, you see quotations from Nicodara, you know, straight like a guy is giving away an actor, you hear the voice of Goebbels, you now, stuff like that. In what he is giving, he was giving in that form. You don't know, you don't see yet very much of his own forms, you know, it's only that you... It's all imitated in the form, but still there are some details, some interest for some kind of faces, you know, really, really nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4552.59,4641.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. Thank you so much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4646.24,4649.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Right back","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4651.37,4651.889"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no, no! Be back before it gets cold!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4655.02,4659.059"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Without you I would not be able to do this. Yeah, we know that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4666.83,4669.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know what to do, I don' t know what I'm supposed to do I don't know what's going on I don´t know I don ´t know","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4671.02,4679.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Say bad things about me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4679.84,4680.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e No, we won. Yeah, yeah, that's right, yeah. I'm gonna get the gas on, right? It's over, yeah?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4682.04,4686.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Me?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4688.4,4688.4"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e More, more, more. Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4689.41,4691.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I go to bed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4693.4,4693.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e I'll be signing off. And there's those bananas, and you know what they're called? Those banana crêpes. The thing that you saw for a quick... Yeah, it's a movie.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4694.07,4721.75"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, my God.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4725.74,4727.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e What I'm trying to say is that SCOB is just a child. SCOBE is born out of procreation. SCO-BRA from procreate. Well, yeah, that's a pretty short definition.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4732.51,4746.559"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e He said, yeah, come here, you just sit down. All right. Let's go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4748.4,4751.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Jesus Christ. I can accept this thing, but not during or before they are thrown into the... Please, around.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4762.75,4770.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e And piss around, and it's all over the place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4770.53,4772.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, please, please.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4777.97,4778.93"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, but you see, we didn't see many films of these guys. The most is in the men's team.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4781.41,4787.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e It's been going on for how long now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4787.32,4788.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e For this is very fun, this has been going, the main scene has been published I think now two years or one and a half years. Some guys have made films, but what is funny, and this is maybe a thing of person or jealousy, I don't know, that these guys were successful to make people talk about them without having done anything. Ah, the new lines of the cinema and the new movie makers, and they hadn't made the film yet. Actually, this kind of bugs me, but maybe, yeah, there's a problem. Because you're involved yourself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4789.46,4836.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but still it's funny, I don't want to never make a film.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4840.07,4843.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e This is the way all the magazine might have been, but it's just a way of applying pressure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4843.66,4848.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Mm-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4850.04,4850.04"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e And it's most in the ideas that I say here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4855.61,4858.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, it's good. It's good, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4860.48,4862.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Floor. Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4864.33,4865.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Boy. But tell me, the funny thing is, you are awesome!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4865.65,4870.809"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But for instance, a guy like Weiss, who is at this moment the most successful young player. Obviously, I mean, with scope and everything else? 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One thing that interests me is that when I knew you, Rydek, you were the perfect picture of the revolted young Dutchman. This time especially, I noticed that you were less revolted. You even said that there's not so much more to be revolted against. And you were... I didn't say that. Somewhere between the... You were talking about living yourself. And you are now somewhere feeding yourself somewhere very definitely in the middle between the status quo and a new movement. This is very strange. You can say something about that now. Where do you, how do you place yourself? Do you feel your eyeballing out? Do you see your pushing ahead? 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This sounds also, you know...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=4999.13,5009.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that, I think, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5011.28,5012.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I was complaining about my... You and I...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5012.42,5014.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You and I have something in common, that we both read Caesarsini about when it was at its strongest point in 56, 57, 58 and when it made a tremendous amount of sense against a world which wasn't accepted yet. And now, we both have the sensation of, when we see our local magazines and so forth, espousing this kind of cinema, and we have the sense, the sensation, of really deja vu, you know? Yeah, exactly. We have the feeling that we've gone further, and yet these people who do this seem to live behind us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5014.32,5053.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Sir, there's one thing. You shouldn't, I think you have no reason to complain about legacy success for what you did. In the Dutch frame... I can say that I have a very good reputation right now, especially because of the last two things that came out very, very successful. But you have different tastes of, different flavors of reputation, you see. And when, for instance, when I submitted my films to the stage prize, I was convinced that I was going to nowhere. Well, get nowhere. 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But the jury, and the jury was composed of some of the guys who have real interest in new movies, but we are also tremendously influenced by this whole Cahier image. And I felt that it was more or less sad documentary. Which I don't consider as a documentary, but a personal thing, but through, let's say, documentary forms, then it wouldn't get far in this, you know, in this context for up to date. So you have, I think you have two things going on here, the audience. The audience. Which is interesting, and with those people it has, I think my work here, has a very big success. 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They are real film critics. They are specialists. And they are going for the newer kind of thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5210.29,5221.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/304","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e They don't like hearing it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5223.11,5224.05"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e They like my stuff but I think the reason why I didn't get the prize is exactly because they felt that the other guy is helping us more out of the... Because he's doing the international things you see and I'm doing something which has more roots in our tradition because I think You can do something real for this country. You should try to bring the feeling of this country into it. And then maybe on that build forms and things, you know. I don't know how far I can go, but you can go as far as you can. 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It's a chateau which is even more way out than mine, but you know, and the people who don't like nothing at all, it's just films.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5270.87,5289.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/308","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, how then are you bringing in color into your film, if you reject the old tradition that's been recognized as color?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5291.38,5299.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/309","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't reject, I don´t reject Holland, I reject the way they made films. We don't have nothing to do with what was happening. Or what is happening in our time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5303.9,5321.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/310","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5324.72,5324.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/311","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Maybe these guys only got in the film, it was happening in a Dutch little village.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5326.61,5335.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/312","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e You","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5335.67,5335.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/313","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e These older guys aren't what was happening in the Dijk, on the Dijk, on a certain point. But it's never related to what's happening abroad. Now these younger guys only show what is happening abroad in its formal history. But they don't put a relation without Dutch life. So the re-force is happening maybe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5339.01,5363.01"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/314","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You really feel a very strong responsibility for something that is really done, authentically done.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5371.11,5375.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/315","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e That means I don't feel responsible for Holland as a nation among the nations. I don´t want to push Holland up in the allowance of the nations, but... As I'm living here, and that's most of my context. Things are going on here. This is what I'm talking about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5376.8,5408.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/316","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Can I have some stuff?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5409.97,5410.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You Your films, nevertheless, have a rather deep relationship, it seems to me, to the tradition in Dutch art. Necessary as could, if only, the tradition of the Revolution of the Cobra School. Yeah, but there's a prayer, and there's the tradition of transforming the event into a personal viewpoint. Which has nothing to do with the sort of international camp scene. It's much more of a kind of a personal universe, apart from fear of death, a world of, you see, the blind kind. I think I spent that because it's such a cool title. Yeah, but you know, you had something with it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5420.17,5484.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, you had some picture with Cliff Richards, which was something like the Cool Kind, you know. And he's making films about Cliff Richards. The Blind Kind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5482.25,5500.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/319","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Not me, no. Bloody crime is not cool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5501.0,5504.5"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e The young ones, that was the young ones. Oh, the young one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5505.18,5510.38"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Bye!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5511.83,5511.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You understand what I mean? There is something in your editing and something in your intent to transform the reality into more than a reportage, more than a, or more than, or something different from a real, a kind of a scene. Terrifying me, terrifying respect, respect to the reality. You know what you're doing. You're not doing such a cinema verite or a cinema eye or whatever you want to call it. Duh, you're not. Respecting it integrally in its time and its power in the time line. You are style. You're using it as material to recreate something else which has to do with that and which may reveal it. But in this sense you are very close to deconing the Carl Apple who project project their own visions which are influenced by a war. And that's the end of it being what it is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5512.559,5571.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/323","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But, you know, this is, of course, it's, uh, I'm sorry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5571.01,5574.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Cinema being what it is, you were advised to deal with actual material. Now, but yeah, the series of three or four shots more edited. The girl, the blind young girl raising her cane across the street.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5575.28,5590.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5590.96,5590.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You practically eliminate the context. And give us a series of these movements which frighten us. You have gone far beyond the subject recorded on the blindshield and you've used the material taken from the real world in such a way that you create a nightmare personal vision and this also relates quite a bit to the disconnected and if i might say well the ideological montage of Horst and Hansra, and the Aesthetical montage of Hansra.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5592.16,5633.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/327","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Why do you think so?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5634.9,5635.7"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/328","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean the imposing of a personal point of view.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5636.59,5640.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/329","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but there's one very essential difference, that these guys went out with their viewpoint before they had seen any of it. I had only the idea that I wanted to do something with the stick-walking, because I had a fuel point, but I never... You know, it is a meeting of course, you know, the happenings in yourself, you meet some, at some point, these guys, to these guys it wasn't a meeting, they wrote a script at home and then they went out. And they made the close-ups and the intercuts and they made a whole rhythm, which often had nothing, you know, in the film... Where is Stevens with that? I don't think so, because, you now, he was... He said that he was always shooting handhelds, throughout his life, because he felt that you shouldn't fix a camera, but that you should be ready to watch what was happening. So I guess he didn't...anyway his films look so sloppy often. But that's very funny, he's a guy who talks about film language. His interest is somewhere else. Because your language is pretty sloppy if you really do take it for that only. All those pens which go nowhere, you know, we stop in the middle. Very nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5640.42,5734.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/330","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5735.12,5735.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. But, no, these guys like Van der Horst, you know, in Five I Love You, it's a film about Dutch piano. You know, The Seekers, about four Negroes in a wooden boat, you now, just a tree, hollow tree, rowing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5736.5,5758.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/332","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Very much outsoft, or what's his name, Arne... Arne Schiffdorf, yeah. I didn't see it, yeah...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5763.12,5769.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/333","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e That's all one of the three. But you know, and then he, but then the sound is not that, but the sound. Eke-chook, eke-chuck, ekey-chuk, eky-chuck. And it goes on for something like eight minutes, you know. But it is like a steam engine going by. And when anybody would see four Negroes in a hollow tree growing about, would never get this feeling. Because it's, you know, the first world war just started.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5770.07,5800.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/334","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Ha ha ha ha!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5803.57,5805.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/335","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you feel that we're really... This guy has an interior rhythm of himself. He likes, probably on the horse, likes very much anything which is square, which has four angles, and every measure which has 4 beats it. And so he goes out and tries. And there you go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5808.44,5832.67"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/336","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And so you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5833.719,5834.219"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/337","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e And I think you should go out to see what's happening and find the rhythm which it really is, and then try to...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5835.389,5844.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/338","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But don't you feel easy now? The thing that's stressing me about flying is that...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5845.1,5847.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/339","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Only in the last, you know","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5849.38,5850.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/340","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e is how much it resembles you, should I know. How much the things that we're seeing were very much you, and yet you transposed into terms of rhythm. That's the question. And anecdotal question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5851.09,5870.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/341","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5893.34,5893.62"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/342","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e The metaphorical quality of the film. To be related to some dozen photos that you find in Barrymore Day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5894.889,5913.12"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/343","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e It's all the same thing What","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5915.45,5919.43"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You're sitting with blind children here, huh? So how can you say that? You're trying to draw out what you think is there in the...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5923.49,5930.559"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No, the theme of the Blindness film is communication, the problem of communication. In the scene with Barry Motel, it's also the problem with communication. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5931.24,5946.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/346","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e All right, Sid, this is the problem that you have found. It's interesting to me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5947.0,5952.2"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/347","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e But I was not going to say, well, we shall show, you know, we will show communication in this film. And so we left telephones all over the place. Like these, like from the West or so, you would use a zoom shot on a telephone, finger dialing, close-ups of mouths talking wildly. And then he would cut back to a line chart. And this he would keep going all through the film. So that you come out completely nuts.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5957.55,5997.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/348","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What do you think it is about the language that you use? What is the language you use that contrasts the changes with the past? With this? With the past, with Dunderhorst, with Honstra. What changes? Yeah, in terms of your language. You just described it. Dunder Horst's way. Your idea of Dunderhorses.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=5998.51,6023.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/349","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but this is the worst, of course. I know very well. I know where it is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=6026.049,6028.79"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/350","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e This is never left. It's based on the idea of... Of a kind of communicated montage, which gives the idea.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=6028.809,6037.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/351","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and so, so my... What is yours? My interest is on the... When I'm there, when I'm shooting the film, on the material.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=6039.309,6052.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/352","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What do you say? Leave me alone. I mean, you think something's going on? 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I would, I would try to convey that he has a hard time, that he is moving.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=6058.41,6084.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/354","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=6085.59,6086.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/355","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e He is used, the Polonaise, the Polish, the Dutch, everybody of you. The repetitive movement, the repetitive movement. That means fine and rebuilding large.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=6106.809,6121.27"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/356","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Of what? Of the cat walking with the stick, for instance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=6123.13,6125.809"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/357","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that, but they're also the race, hm?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=6126.28,6128.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/358","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but the race was really the only point where it was used as a rhythmic element when you see the rest.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=6129.71,6140.45"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/359","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Then there's the hike, where everything is a cut-on movement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=6140.78,6144.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/360","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know how to use this button.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=6149.69,6150.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/361","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, David Crockett or Daniel Bowen or whatever. No, everything is moving on its own.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=6152.17,6158.49"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/362","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but there is no...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=6159.44,6160.76"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/363","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Form of movement there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=6162.08,6163.719"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/364","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but there's one thing that the thing is never used for the sake of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=6164.07,6169.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/365","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=6170.48,6170.48"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/366","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I didn't say walk in a certain space, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=6172.77,6174.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/367","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e You","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=6175.34,6175.34"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/368","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Or I didn't say, well, this shot is ten seconds, so I make the next one twelve, or the next one I make nine, and the one afterward I make seven, and then I get a whole bunch of five-second shots, then I wind up using, you know, six frames alternations. That is a rhythmic conception, like these guys have. I think the tension within the shot is a technique. This is the strong point of the shot. I need this much delay before it. It was happening. I was waiting for guidance. I wanted to warn them. I wanted them to warn me. That you never get to do. It's something that's supposed to be written and I haven't even checked the magazine of the shot you're running in the running scene. This is of course the most formal thing. No shot is seen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=6176.42,6262.059"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/369","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know what you're talking about. I don' t know what I'm talking about I don't know what he's talking about","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=6264.15,6266.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/370","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e You're picking out moments of characters who were in their own walls, as to what to do in our free time. Like, they're moving, and then you pick them up again, and they're really moving in another way. Very close, you know, the way Louis Mao picked them up. And then he's my lad, he's a hero, he moved them. Uh, what scene do you, uh, pick up on that one? One kind? Um, do you pick two or three?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=6280.389,6330.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/371","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e ...Employees... ...Each one you've loved for a while... ...There's no other choice...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=6333.5,6339.78"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/372","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I was the same boy. Yeah, there was one. Yeah, it was in the background.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=6340.79,6347.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/373","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And you were doing very definite things, cutting out of things, making them up in different ways, imposing a statement of your own as a boy, wandering as a trapped animal in a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=6353.059,6367.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/374","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e This has been the problem of the Blind House itself, because the Blind is, by nature, tied to his place, you know, a blind-born child. Now, the thing was on one base. There are points between me, which make me want to make, which is different. Of perception, the perception of reality, when we come somewhere, we take the question and in that local image, close image, and in the whole we discover details, so we go and then we'll even close it. You see, now we're decomposed. Do me. Make yourself. Yeah. Put the furniture in the room. Yeah. That's for the bike. He has no funeral sound. To make this a larger and larger project. So this is the physical effort. You see what I mean? He has no total image. He has to start from there and walk around there. But his tendency will be to stay in the place where he is, or where he lives, that it's OK. Yet he will have, in order to develop any thinking process, any communication, any concept. Any concept, and that's the whole solution, by definition, it's a set of things, all this is related to this, and this whole education thing, it is not like any other. Break this down. That's why the rain is in the whole building, because that needs to be contemplated. They are fantastic things. And also, because of their tendency of moving, staying on the spot, they don't develop the same way physically. Most of the time, they have this kind of issues. Most of them, very often, there is a shortcoming. See you. You know, they cannot play, they can not run around, like John never had a tendency to run around in the air. There's a place, a step in the line, something is happening. If you start thinking about that, it's too real. Is that my words? You And so I knew this, and then at a certain moment I saw this little boy, and immediately I got the camera and I shot a discussion, as I could of it. And he has this strange attitude, which is one of the strange attitudes they have. Because they don't see themselves, they develop. And because they are egocentric. They have not this feeling of being corrected all the time by others, having to correct themselves. And this is all problematic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=6369.14,6635.08"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/375","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=6636.92,6636.92"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/376","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Or when somebody says it. And later, later in the day, I found out that everybody has a spider in their life now. By the neck. Mixed up. Because all through, through all aspects of life. The whole conception of reality. There is nothing that I see if not, if not then I saw this little kid Just a minute. Thank you very much. This is very much a copy of your idea. Of course, because at first, so, it happens in a couple of phases. First you are intrigued by an intellectual... You might call it... I'm not an intellectual, but you might call an intellectual tickling of the...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=6638.66,6701.15"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/377","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, the idea, Jesus Christ.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=6701.79,6703.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/378","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e This thing which you stole from us for the second time in New York, it's fantastic. And the second thing is see what it looks like, which changes your image already, because you have to do this very, very lovely, nice case, you know. Very, very nice. Yeah, but fantastic. Uh, which is also an aspect of our school. There was a second year gift for the world, for Tom, and, uh, because this is the main point of the expression, the main means of expression, so I have kids of eight years old, Tom, like, uh... All the other functionaires of 50, and that's strange, you almost forget that. Now, after some time I thought, well, I'm fine, but this changes your ideas, you know, because in a certain way, everything becomes normal. In four days, you're absolutely used to go near to these kids. That's the main point. So it becomes normal, and from normal it's less interesting. It's a subject matter, maybe. That's why I like, for instance, playing with the water. I left in to just, I was going into my development of my theme, and I wanted to, at a certain moment, before going on to stay there, just, it's just not, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=6704.639,6810.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/379","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e How mental is that? It becomes harder and harder from the sudden the more you know. That's true. That's right. Because the things that are really of interest, of interest. You begin to say, oh, everybody knows that. Would you agree?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=6813.0,6831.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/380","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, sir.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=6832.059,6832.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/381","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e As long as you're not...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=6833.28,6834.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/382","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, yeah, I don't know. I don' know. I must know. I mean, that's where I will be, but this will be the thing. Step back. We'll call you later. And go back and forth. The third phase is when you start filming. Once again, you don't have this... ...Which you had when you were studying, when you are just around... ...And you shit with the kids. Then you step back, you film, you look only for movements and things. Events, gestures, colors, which you are not emotional behind the camera most of the time. You are just emotional because that is what I was supposing that might be possible. And that excites you more than when you are involved with the person. And then the fourth trade is in the editing, where you decide, for instance, to... There is a certain importance, we've seen, of playing with water, which was not an issue at that time. The thing about humanly, playing with what? To keep it in balance in the human playing and the playing with the water, which to me was sin I could have missed and I would have put it in the same posse, but I felt the human respect I had, it had to be there, because otherwise it's the end of the world. So this was a movement which went again in the... In the same direction as the face, which came after the initial image.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=6834.95,6975.09"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/383","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it looks like a young filmmaker who deals with her. Sam Samalli, a new status quo with the public. There are probably only one member here. The news is more, yeah, in a sense that these other people are revolting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=6982.05,7004.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/384","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I would like it could be a working group. Sometimes I have very much light that comes out again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=7006.35,7034.91"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/385","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e He's on the same level as you are. You're going to do the same thing. That's a fair answer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=7039.46,7045.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/386","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I can't believe him. This is going to be an interview. Yeah, that's what's now, listen. What? What? They will do what they want to do. They are going to do what we want. They are not going to kill us. They are just going to cut us off. Every day. Reality, very banal. But obviously, and as I would say, I feel most content. I think that's the end of the question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=7051.559,7101.639"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/387","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e We'll see you in the next video, bye!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=7101.76,7103.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/388","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e And this fellow made the same mistake over COVID-19.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=7103.77,7106.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/389","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e You hear that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=7106.48,7107.059"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/390","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you very much. Thanks for watching!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=7107.45,7113.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/391","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e You see, but on the other hand...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=7117.41,7119.63"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/392","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I have some trouble, a lot of trouble with the identifier, there is no question about it, because one part, they have no interest in whatsoever stylization or form. And second part, You do, though. I have luck. I believe I was in there, the way I'm telling you things is to need the most interest in me. But most of me, if I wasn't in there... You see, for me, the job is formal. But what you should have is human. But why I do it is the material.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=7124.09,7173.28"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/393","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You feel that you feel that the new","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=7174.48,7182.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/394","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e No, they are, yeah, no, they're... Yeah, formal, formal. So yeah, sometimes it's different to answer because formal has a certain aspect, is for me a certain concept. They are not formal domestically, I think, but they are formal as regarding to a whole bunch of habits, which are pictures in there. A whole bunch of uses of language, jobs, long, you know, what? But it's not formal, it's no construction or way of looking. Because that I don't know, one is different from the other. I have no idea of that. That's the way to do it. But, of course, if you don't deform, you should be able to form. And so, coming out, using any form, you know, it just works. Super, super wide angle lens, and you should come with the mouth, follow everything, and get some things out of it. It's a rough quality, a rough-quality movie. Also, I broke friendships with the other guy. Really? You're doing that now? No, that's another story, so it bothers me to talk about him anyway. But he did one thing about the birth of his child. Did you understand? He did it from the time before the child was born, I think three months or so before, or four months. He started doing film in the neighborhood. And his everyday happened. ...Moving because it is a kind of photo album, you know, it's got moves. You know, told in very simple, charged, ergo style. In which it takes unimportant and important stuff. And so you follow what they do. When the child is there, you have just moved. But only I saw the film four times, and then I got loose with Buck, you know, because I noticed that he charged him on the faux scenes. What do you mean, he charged me? He spoke more Amsterdamish.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=7186.07,7382.44"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/395","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And he did over to the Amsterdam Accident to make it more...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=7389.139,7391.799"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/396","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e To make it more authentic, you know, and so I noticed more details, there was such a... On a moment where there should be stylization, you know, to be honest, you know, because that honesty is not an esthetic concept. If you don't choose, you are honest.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=7391.94,7415.41"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/397","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Van Ells can believe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=7419.599,7420.259"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/398","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e This is what he practiced, you know, just children like that, you know, and we'll be there and that's honest. That's not right. Children with a big wide angle and anyways, you're upside down. So that's probably a lot of scenes, because they became men, you need to be, you you know. They're being honest.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=7420.419,7440.099"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/399","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 4:\u003c/strong\u003e And being honest.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=7440.559,7440.879"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/400","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e And then I, you know, and then I... He's not interested in form. I think his photos he got from a trip around the world four years ago. He shot thousands of pictures. He tried to sell it, to sell for four years, and now it's coming out. Every day, every year, every day. But why? Because his photos used the strongest diversation. What does that mean? What does it mean?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=7442.78,7487.749"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/401","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=7490.519,7490.519"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/402","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know if it's a kind of camera shot or a photo. I don' know, he fixes it into a striking image. But if you shoot that, you just... That shot in the photo, you just have it stand there. You didn't even see your own graph, did you? I'm moving, right? Yeah, you're moving. I think that's the one you're supposed to move. I think he doesn't... I don't know if it's quite... I don... And so Freiman... Is another case because he is a famous journalist and what he's after is to get a nice, interesting, moving, demagogic. Story about any subject, he might bring that in, goes out there, tries to get interesting stuff, interesting texts, interesting things happen, and he doesn't give a shit about where the camera is, you know, as long as it's in the right place, he does it to a very good extent, But I can't, I can, I just can't live with that. I'm much more stylized than that. But still, these guys, at least, are trying to work. They have this notion of reality. And I think also of our reality. For example, he used his neighborhood. He lived there in either one quarter. And he used that image because he must have the feeling that this is important. It's not his motherhood. So he felt this, and this made the film move, and Vrijman definitively explicitly states that he wants to pierce, to get something out of Dutch reality.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=7491.719,7624.079"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/403","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Of Dutch filmmaker, distinguished from the Cajet group.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=7628.669,7633.309"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/404","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think that these guys, in principle, are on the right road. And so far, I feel that I have...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=7633.709,7643.709"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/405","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And as Breiman as well as Wendell's going to do, so it was more or less interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=7645.879,7649.719"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/406","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e You see, the mentality of these guys is also a very complicated thing. They were all, after the war, till 1950 or 1953, they were all communists. One of all, but many of them were communists, and others by the side. In a very emotional way. And after that, they found out that, you know... They have a leftish, vaguely leftish but opportunistic and vitalistic standpoint to say, get out of life what you can. But they do this, not in an easy way, but with this painful communist background they have, so in a sense they have solved that. And I have one question for my quarrel, which I have close with Wermann also, he was very close to me, and so it was a very difficult quarrel. For he said to me that I was a Marxist Marquis, and he had been a communist, you see. He couldn't stand that I had certain preferred standpoints, you know, which had nothing to do with communism, but he discovered communist rigidity in my life. And he was the vital guy. For he was reacting there against his background. But I had a feeling that to a certain extent these guys had problems because they've had the feeling that there's something out there. And this is my problem, this one without it. Now we get to a different thing. It's just been very hard. Because it also has to do with... These guys asked me about those ideals, those ideals they couldn't keep up with, so they are looking to get a kick from life, to find things, not a kick form pot, they are willing to find anything interesting to make a story about. And you? There is one thing about these, all of them, from negations, I don't know. For me it's, I'm always by nature drawn to say I'm not this and not this. It's very hard to say for what is right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=7651.789,7822.769"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/407","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you've told me that you are not certain things. What I want to part of is the link that it seems to have with traditional Dutch trail. And this is basically, through your influence, the influence that Cobra has had on you. I suppose, and then we'll hear of what kind of subjective it is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=7826.16,7859.039"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/408","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e It's subjective, but I think the most important thing is when you first come out with a false defense against the executive, against the hollow text, what? Hollow text? Yes, the hollowness of language. Language didn't mean anything, it was more standard. Like you said, the publicity films of the USIS meant only something to the USIs, but for the rest it is a language which seems to exist. This was after the war, of course, what had happened to all forms of expression. And in France, you had had before the war some jobs given to you, given to us, content of language. But we hadn't had it, so it was the time to have it. It was more than ever. There was a reason. So you first have the revolt. And second, the biggest principle was freedom. And this freedom, I talked about it before. Is that you don't go with your idea, with a plan. You don't make a plan and say, I want to make this. But that you find points of communication with reality. So that you make something, reality dictates it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=7859.949,7960.879"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/409","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e This is your perception of that reality.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=7962.16,7963.74"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/410","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so you talk back, the reality talk, you go back. And that is, I think, a fantastic theme for all of them. But of course this does not only come from what you call Cobra, but you have said things also, I described some things you said in the article, but it should boil down to the same. Maestro","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397#t=7963.66,7994.209"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141813/file/262397/transcript/79653/annotation/411","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Let's go from Flaherty. Where's Flaerty? Flaierty. 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