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The date is July 6, 2023. Today, I am interviewing Paul Gratz at his brother's house in San Francisco. We are discussing the anti-war movement in Eugene between about 1968 and 1973. Paul, tell me a little bit about your family background and upbringing.\n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4.0,47.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I was born seventy-eight years ago in Los Angeles and was raised in Downey, California, a suburb about fifteen miles from Civic Center. My parents were married during the Second World War, and I was born in June, just two months before the bombs were dropped. My dad didn't see me for about six months or so after I was born. So the community that we moved to—my recollections is Downey was very conservative, and my parents were apolitical as far as I can remember. They did not read the newspapers or get any news magazines. And when I was in high school, I started to read magazines and newspapers that were donated to the school and hang out a little bit in the library and became interested in social science issues, among many other subjects. I did have a junior high teacher who I met later in college who was quite political in a very conservative community, and I got interested in politics and following the civil rights movement in the late fifties on television. I think that shaped my consciousness. I was involved in sports in high school, an all-white high school team, very racist. And almost all the schools in our league were predominantly Black and Hispanic and quite skilled in athletics and were superior to our team. So there was a lot of racism there that I began to be aware of as having Jewish heritage. I was bullied and there seemed to be an affinity to what was going on, although there wasn't anything that I was actively involved in. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=47.0,200.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Let me ask you about that. So your parents were Jews, and you were raised in a congregation?\n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=200.0,209.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, they were not practicing. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=209.0,216.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They were non-practicing Jews. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=216.0,217.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Nor were my grandparents much. And there were indirect family members that fled Germany, were Holocaust victims. But I was not connected with them. It was kind of abstract, not talked about. But I had that in my DNA, in my consciousness. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=217.0,241.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. And what was your dad's occupation? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=241.0,244.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My dad was a gifted chemist, came from poor, poor working-class family, were in the Jewish Hispanic barrio. They lived side by side in East L.A. at that time. And my dad was very comfortable in the Hispanic community. He was a musician. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=244.0,269.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And your mom? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=269.0,271.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My mom was raised in more of a middle class. My grandfather became a trucking entrepreneur, and they were not touched by the [Great] Depression financially. My dad was. His dad had died early and there was three kids. And his brothers dropped out of school and had menial jobs and he was the only one to graduate from high school and go on to college and got a master's degree and scholarship. He was brilliant. So he was a chemist and a musician and had suffered from mental illness and we were separated by his illness by the time I graduated from high school. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=271.0,318.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You were saying that in high school you saw the racism and you felt an affinity with Black and brown students at that time. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=318.0,330.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Certainly the moral question was very easy for me to take a position. And I had some, a few teachers, that we would have discussions in class. But I knew no one, was not knowledgeable of anyone, who participated in the civil rights movement. Although what they did privately as faculty, I'm not sure. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=330.0,356.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. So what happens to you after high school? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=356.0,363.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I attended Cal State Fullerton. It was a brand-new school. I was in the first class and commuted, living with my mom and siblings. And after a year—let me say that, in November, which was the barely the second month of my freshman class, that's when JFK was assassinated. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=363.0,391.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Nineteen sixty-three. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=391.0,394.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"1963. Sorry. So that had affected me dramatically as many of my peers. And though my high school buddies that I communicated with, commuted there, there were—I did not have peers at that time that were political that lived in my hometown. I had transferred the second year, which would have been the fall of '64, to Long Beach State and commuted for part of the year. I grew apart from my high school buddies. I began to pay attention to the peace movement on campus. It was small, but it caught my attention. I did not participate but, at some point, I got involved and went to some peace vigils, relocated to the Long Beach-Seal Beach area in early 1965. And this was a commuter campus, so it was quite different from the larger universities where there was already quite a lot of political action. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=394.0,477.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It would have been called Long Beach State. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=477.0,482.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Long Beach State, which is right now Cal State University. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=482.0,485.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And what year? What was the year you were there? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=485.0,490.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The fall of '64. So it was my sophomore year. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=490.0,494.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The peace movement is just kind of getting off the ground. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=494.0,497.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. And it was mostly in the community. The vigils were downtown. They were organized by community people. And students began to come to that in small numbers. So I met a range of people. I wouldn't call them radical. At the time it was a very nonviolent perspective and silent vigils, and got some experience communicating with passer-bys and being harassed and so forth. And I was also eligible for the draft then, but I had a student deferment. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=497.0,540.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And how would you characterize, you know, as your thinking evolved, how would you characterize your opposition to the war, say, '65, '66? Was it the wrong war in the wrong place? Was it an unjust immoral war? Was it an imperial war? How did your thinking evolve? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=540.0,574.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I would say the first year and a half or so, it was a moral opposition. I learned about conscientious objection for the first time. I considered myself a pacifist at that time and began to acquaint myself with nonviolent philosophy. I was not aware that there was a more political or militant type organization immediately. I did become quite active at the Peace Center in Long Beach, where I volunteered with a few other former students, some students, some community people. And it was a peace center in a rented storefront. We were harassed. But the main function that I became involved in, aside from the literature, as I learned how to become a—became interested in draft counseling. And I actually became certified with the American Friends Service [Committee]. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=574.0,656.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The American Friends Service Committee, you went through a training program. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=656.0,661.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, and I went through that. I was the only person at the center that became skilled in that and did some work on campus as well. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=661.0,674.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So opposition to the draft went hand in hand with opposition to the war? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=674.0,679.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, absolutely. And as the war intensified, became much more aware of the history of the United States. I don't believe I knew what imperialism was. I don't think that was in the jargon quite at that time within my circle. But certainly by '66, thereabouts, I became acquainted with, among others, Army, Navy, Marine veterans. Some had some exposure to the Vietnam War. Others were, depending how old they were, most of them were seniors of mine by about three or four years. There was Peace Corps veterans as well. And they were really in the forefront of articulating opposition of the war and the civil rights movement. And I think I absorbed a lot of that. I began to read The New York Review of Books, Noam Chomsky, Dissent, The Monthly Review, eventually. I met some veterans of the Berkeley Free Speech Movement who had been expelled. One, in particular, she became my mentor. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=679.0,765.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Who is that? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=765.0,770.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Beth, Beth Cheryl. She's now deceased. And she later moved to Eugene or to Oregon. And she was a quite disciplined and very intelligent young woman, one of the few articulate female leaders at that time. She was a Trotskyite at the Free Speech movement. So she helped pull us together and transition from a peace group to SDS [Students for a Democratic Society]. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=770.0,804.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At Long Beach State? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=804.0,805.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. And this would have been probably '66. I was actually elected the president, after about a year, of that chapter. And that became my first experience with new left. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=805.0,826.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But just in terms of organizing skills, she brought a skill set to the table that she imparted to others? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=826.0,834.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Probably to the whole campus. She was a very, very dynamic person. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=834.0,841.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, how do you get to Eugene and how do you and when do you— \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=841.0,843.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, let me back—okay, that's a good question. So in the spring of '68, increasingly, we had demonstrations on campus, nonviolent demonstrations. And that kind of coincided with the assassination of Martin Luther King and then RFK [Robert Kennedy]. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=843.0,870.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In April and June of 1968? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=870.0,875.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Correct. I helped organize with others a free speech movement that coincided with a lot of radical, censorship of radical art, on campus. And then of course, the riots took place all over the country in '68 and including Long Beach. In an anti-war demonstration held in the late spring of '68 there were arrests. That's the first time the police came on campus in mass. I was called before a disciplinary body, the first time that anyone on campus had been—the administration had ever attempted to expel students for political activity. And when summer, in June when classes were, of course, not in session, we were taken before a kangaroo court, and I was expelled for a year. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=875.0,955.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At that point, when I was married, newly married and about to have our first son, our plans changed. I didn't want to stay in Long Beach for a year without going to school. I was also a Teamster during the summer driving a truck and was able to earn some money. But I didn't want to continue to do that, and I wasn't sure if they were going to let me back in school, as well. So we moved to Eugene, which was a destination of ours, because our best friends, the Gares, had already moved there. We knew when I graduated, if I had continued at Long Beach, that I was going to, we were going to move to Eugene. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=955.0,1002.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So we moved a couple of years early, and the university would not admit me because I had not applied in time, and they honored the expulsion from Long Beach State. So they said I had to wait a year to be admitted, and that's when I met you in the fall of '68. I started volunteering at the Draft Information Center with you and used my skills that I had already acquired, and I took night classes at the university through the extension program.\n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=1002.0,1047.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I believe that's in the spring of '68 that the student government is going to help to sponsor and fund that Draft Information Center. Talk a little bit about what went on there, in your work and why that was so important as the anti-war movement evolved.\n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=1047.0,1074.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I remember the anxiety around in opposition to the draft was increasing. I don't recall if the lottery had started at that point or not. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=1074.0,1089.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, the lottery is later. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=1089.0,1091.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. We carried a lot of literature on conscientious objection and resistance to the war, and we started to have some political literature. We were kind of a little skittish about how political we wanted to be. We had some small amount of stipend support from sympathetic anti-war faculty for our materials and some minimal compensation. I spent a lot of time there. I was not working. I was not employed very much at that time. So I had a lot of time that I devoted and got involved on campus with, almost immediately with the SDS chapter. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=1091.0,1150.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But before we go there, but ostensibly the draft information center, anyone could come in for information and counseling and all options are on the table in terms of what you would counsel people about, correct? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=1150.0,1170.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, it was a range from conscientious objection to just knowing what their rights were and trying to understand the system. Not everyone was interested in being a conscientious objector. There were people that were interested in actual resistance, a non-cooperation with the system, or how to prolong their student deferment, other deferments for hardship. It was a whole range. There were a few people that wanted to know what their options for military service were, but primarily it was men or occasionally parents that were interested in draft counseling. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=1170.0,1219.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And indeed, the draft was so controversial because college students got a deferment that working class folks who didn't go to college could not get. So there was awareness of the class nature of the draft and, in fact, staying in school or getting a medical deferment, those were all options on the table, particularly for students that turned against the war. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=1219.0,1252.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. And there were those that had those open to them, but still wanted to do something more permanent, like conscientious objection or wanting to do non-cooperation, even though they had the deferment. So there was kind of an overlap there with the resisters others that were—. We also had toward, not immediately, but as time progressed, we began to see through the grapevine, active military as well as deserters who wanted assistance. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=1252.0,1298.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And particularly there was, I believe, this pipeline of AWOLs [absent without official leave] and deserters who were coming from San Francisco to Eugene to Portland and up to Vancouver, Canada. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=1298.0,1312.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=1312.0,1312.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they would occasionally come through the draft center. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=1312.0,1315.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. It was like an underground railroad. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=1315.0,1317.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. So talk about SDS and how you get involved with SDS in I guess the fall of' 68. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=1317.0,1329.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I arrived with almost three years of background with SDS through Long Beach. When I showed up to the first meeting or two, I was kind of discouraged by the quote unquote leaders or pseudo leaders and the organizational, the lack of organization. I remember associating with a few people that wanted to see more of a structure and a little more sophistication. There was kind of a split between the more countercultural approach to ending the war versus a more militant, new left approach in both in education as well as in action. (ringing in background) And that occurred. I think some of the people that were opposed to a more structured organization kind of dropped out. But our membership increased as it did all over the country, you know, simultaneously as the war escalated and the anti-war movement grew. So it occurred in Eugene. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=1329.0,1430.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the anti-war movement was passing through a number of stages from, political education and so-called teach-ins on college campus, to mass demonstrations over time, to civil disobedience and other forms of more militant action. And what were some of the first actions you remember being involved with SDS?\n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=1430.0,1460.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think the mantra became, direct action, that was what we were—that was kind of the gestalt. I think our first action stemmed around (clock chiming) an announcement of a film festival where we had included a cartoon which was quite explicit in expressing the selective service system and how it was devouring young people and just churning them out. And among the sponsoring groups included SDS, the Black Panthers and I think the Resistance, I don't remember, was a group called The Motherfuckers, which— \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=1460.0,1520.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"—Up Against the Wall.\n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=1520.0,1521.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Which I don't recall exactly who they were, but they were credited as sponsors of this event. Almost immediately that created a huge free speech issue, the circulation and the news media coverage of this. So that may have been the first provocative action that I was involved in, as well as you Marty. And that gave a lot of attention to us, unintentionally, but that's what I remember. Help me out here. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=1521.0,1571.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, then in October of '68, there was big anti-draft demonstrations in downtown Eugene. And then there was a big sit-in at the Selective Service where forty sat-in and several were going to be arrested. And that was a fairly high-profile action in the fall of '68. And then, of course, there would be a number of other actions organized by what was called the Eugene Resistance or draft resisters who would turn in their draft card. One of those was in November of '68. But the first action that you remember was around issuing this flyer, which was implicitly very anti-draft. And you kind of recall SDS becoming more organized, people having, I presume, specific roles and tasks and so forth, and kind of being accountable for what they said they were going to do, and did they do it and how do we work collectively? Would you say that's a fair summation of what was going on at SDS at the time? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=1571.0,1660.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, and I do recall being, personally, attending many of these actions in October and in November and then on until the beginning of '69. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=1660.0,1674.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And recall, there was also another—SDS had a labor committee and there was striking shingle workers in Springfield. SDS members went out and picketed that fall with those shingle workers. And that strike then continued into early '69. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=1674.0,1695.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, I was definitely involved in the formation of that committee and the participation out at the mill. And recruiting folks from the community and other students and working with many of these older workers. So that was, I think, the first—that may have been likely the most militant connection in modern times between students and workers in the community in a very working-class, almost anti-student community that Springfield was at the time, a mill workers' town. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=1695.0,1744.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Why did SDS think it was so important to make common cause with these shingle workers? Did that come out of—\n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=1744.0,1758.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Our consciousness was the need to bring connections between the working class and students, which over the war the administrations had exploited the anti-student and any connections. They exploited the divisions politically. So this was really important. I think we made progress on that. The police moved on the demonstration, tried several times, and the press coverage was extensive. So we gained a lot of recognition about what we were trying to do. I believe we established some longer lasting relationships with the workers. Although the strike was unsuccessful. They were defeated. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=1758.0,1826.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, it did continue into the next year, but it was ultimately unsuccessful. So in 1969, there's going to be anti-war activity principally led by SDS, is going to escalate on campus and early '69 there's going to be a protest against naval recruiters on campus. Were you involved in that? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=1826.0,1866.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=1866.0,1867.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You were? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=1867.0,1869.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. Quite extensively. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=1869.0,1870.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. And that, again, was part of SDS trying to systematically organize an action and having any number of people doing so together. And in February, there's going to be a march to ROTC [Reserve Officers' Training Corps]. And why was ROTC so controversial on campus? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=1870.0,1900.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That controversy was not unique to Oregon. It was simultaneously happening on campuses across the country, to have universities sever their contacts with the military. And ROTC, who represented that institutional connection, which historically had been there for decades. And there was that partnership. So with the war in Vietnam, it became a target to pressure the university to terminate all connections with that. And I believe that was the first demonstration of many subsequently—\n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=1900.0,1951.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Around ROTC. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=1951.0,1952.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"—around ROTC. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=1952.0,1953.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And of course, the linguist and anti-war activist Noam Chomsky wrote a famous essay called \"The Responsibility of the Intellectuals,\" in which he argues, university engagement or participation in the war machine was immoral and politically bankrupt. That was a national—would you say that was something that nationally SDS on chapters across the country was doing, opposing ROTC? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=1953.0,1987.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. That may have been the primary focus at that particular time of SDS, where there existed campuses with ROTC. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=1987.0,2003.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that is going to be an ongoing controversy, which we'll talk about in a minute. But in moving into '69, there was this whole kind of controversy at the top of SDS National and splits would occur. This radical faction called the Weathermen would come out of that. And do you remember what was going on at the national level? There was a guy named Bill Ayers who came to speak in Eugene in July. Do you happen to remember that and what impact, if any, did what was going on at the national level have on SDS locally? And as I recall, part of the Weatherman, their slogan was \"Bring the war Home.\" As opposed to those who urged nonviolent civil disobedience, they were very much about militant, disruptive, if not violent, actions to essentially make the cost of waging the war very great at home. What are your memories about that split and its significance? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2003.0,2099.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ah, I'm not sure how significant the national organization was anymore at that point. There was a lot of chapters, but things were pretty decentralized. The national leadership, though they had a newspaper and they had speakers, I think they were beginning to wane in terms of their influence. It became much more localized. But we did focus around—because there was other organizations. There was the Moratorium [The Moratorium to End the War in Vietnam]— \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2099.0,2139.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"New mobilization. (both speakers speaking)\n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2139.0,2141.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. Much more broad-based. SDS became more—definitely they renounced nonviolence. It wasn't clear what they were particularly articulating, but it was about bringing the war home and being much more disruptive, especially toward property. We were on a campus where there appeared to be, there was, a history of arson and bombings and unsolved before I even arrived. So I think there was on campus a concern about harm. And I don't recall that the Weathermen were that influential, either directly or indirectly on our particular chapter. I myself had sympathies toward bringing the war home, but I didn't—I was not sympathetic toward exactly what the more militant means that were being voiced. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2141.0,2226.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At this time though would you say— \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2226.0,2227.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And also, I think, let me just say that, I think we were more and more worried that there was agent provocateurs throughout the movement. And the stance of the minute people— \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2227.0,2244.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Minutemen. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2244.0,2245.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Minutemen. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2245.0,2246.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"An armed right-wing group. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2246.0,2248.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, no, I'm sorry. Stop and pause. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2248.0,2264.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So in the of the winter of, I'm sorry, in April of '69, there's going to be a chemistry professor, John Froines, who was going to be indicted for allegedly inciting a riot at the Democratic National Convention the previous summer in August of '68. Tell me what you recall about that and what SDS was doing and so forth. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2264.0,2303.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I think before Froines arrived, we all knew that there was going to be indictments and targeting of so-called leaders that were involved in the police riot at the Democratic Convention that summer [1968]. And a few of us knew at the time that one of those indicted seven was John Froines, who was kind of nominally involved with organizing the protests in Chicago. But he had been offered a highly-valued guest professorship at the University of Oregon prior to the Chicago riots. And he did show up on campus. And we, of course, by that time, he knew that there was going to be indictments with national leaders. And he was included in that. And the university was surprised, as well. They'd already had a contract with him before the arrival. And John and his wife Ann, who had a newly arrived infant, stayed in the area for about a year and became quite active in the anti-war movement while awaiting an actual, the indictments and, of course, having to leave the university community. This made the political—the legislature and the politicians throughout Oregon—very irate and put pressure on the university to terminate John Froines early. We rallied around him. We did fundraising for the Chicago Seven. I think that we made a contribution and were able to capitalize on the particular coincidence that John was connected. He came back and spoke, brought Jerry Rubin with him? \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2303.0,2458.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mm-hmm. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2458.0,2460.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As part of the fundraisers. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2460.0,2463.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Would you say—there's multiple coalitions at the national level that had come together against the war and of course, in the spring of '67, there were national demonstrations by the spring mobilization against the war [National Mobilization Committee]. But would you say around this time in 1969, there was a growing awareness of local activist and being connected to a broader national movement? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2463.0,2498.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. And we all had, because of the Black power movement also, that gave a heightened awareness of the repressive state, the connections between Black repression and repression of the Vietnamese and other third-world areas by the U.S. policymakers. I think our awareness was all growing of the link to that. Also, there was more—because we had key senators that were beginning to speak out quite forcefully, including in Oregon, Wayne Morse and— \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2498.0,2555.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And later Mark Hatfield. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2555.0,2555.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"—later Mark Hatfield. And Eugene McCarthy was about to come on as an alternative candidate at that time. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2555.0,2565.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In '68. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2565.0,2566.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. And Nixon's election and so forth. There was just a growing awareness of whether to be involved in electoral politics or a more militant alternative approach. (voice lowers) Did I touch on that?\n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2566.0,2594.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We got it. Where would you say your understanding of the war was at this point in '69? Did you—was it still rooted in moral opposition or how did your thinking evolve? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2594.0,2611.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, it had become anti-imperialistic by then. I think we began to emphasize that in our organizing and our education on the campus. I think more and more of us began to show open support to the liberation struggles. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2611.0,2638.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the so-called Third World. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2638.0,2640.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, and in Indo-China, including that. We had also began to make connections with Third World students on campus that were here on scholarships through AID, who brought a whole new level of personal—for many of us, that was the first time we had ever had associations with students from other countries that were also oppressed and had a previous connection to opposing the Vietnam War. That personally affected me a lot. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2640.0,2680.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I believe there was a whole group of Guatemalan students— \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2680.0,2682.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peru and Colombia, those were all— \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2682.0,2688.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"—who were very much opposed to the war and also brought their perspective as what was the impact of American foreign policy in their countries. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2688.0,2697.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And participated visibly, often. And knowing that they were from countries that were allied, the regimes were repressive and allied, but they were intellectuals, highly gifted students from their country who were selected to come here. And they all just enriched, I think, our experiences and the risks they were taking. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2697.0,2727.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When would you say in terms of collective action and being part of the movement, that you felt what was being done locally was also having an impact nationally? Was there a particular moment or the time or event?\n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2727.0,2745.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was probably the moratorium [Moratorium to End the War in Vietnam or Vietnam Moratorium]. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2745.0,2748.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the fall of 1969? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2748.0,2750.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2750.0,2752.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the middle of October and the middle of November, there were huge marches in San Francisco and in Washington, D.C., but hundreds of local communities had their own marches. And I think the intent of the moratorium was no business as usual on a given day each month, and to try to build a very broad-based coalition that would peacefully demonstrate. So you would say that was when you made that linkage between what we were doing locally and nationally, having a national impact? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2752.0,2797.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. And it just coincided with our increased active resistance to ROTC at the same time. And we built the foundations for that. And yeah, it definitely that was the—I think at that point we were also engaging, attempted to engage, classes. We would attend, often quasi disrupt, classes. Sometimes the professors would invite us in. And we began to basically ask people to come out in the streets. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2797.0,2851.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And would you say it's fair to characterize SDS as putting a lot of emphasis on political education? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2851.0,2858.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2858.0,2858.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And trying to win over students to become actively opposed. Talk about that a little bit. There was something called the Alternative University that was formed in late 1969. Do you remember being part of that? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2858.0,2881.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, it was called It was called 'Search'. That was experimental—\n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2881.0,2887.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was an experimental college? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2887.0,2888.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't remember that. I only remember Search. Which was where we taught [a student-initiated class] \"The Age of Imperialism\". \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2888.0,2896.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2896.0,2896.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But that was in '68. I don't remember the alternative university. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2896.0,2902.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I think alternative university, and experimental college, that they were used interchangeably. And the student government would throw their weight behind that alternative university. And they were mainly short courses, as I remember. And indeed, we co-taught one called \"The Age of Imperialism.\" But I think SDS being asked to come in and speak in classes, taking classes and raising critical issues and questions, I think. And then we developed our own publications and so forth. I think that was all part of the ongoing political action that was seen as complementary to and helping to shape what was going on in the streets, so to speak. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2902.0,2957.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right, and we had more tools. SDS got a sophisticated printing press and some young skilled radical print press operators, who were also members of SDS. And we were able to produce a tremendous amount of written materials. Almost on a daily basis there was a another flyer would come out on campus. Also The Augur newspaper [The Eugene Augur], which was the alternative, twice-monthly radical newspaper, became an important alternative media in 1969 and became quite, by 1970 and beyond was quite an important source of alternative information and education. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=2957.0,3021.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Were you involved in that? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=3021.0,3023.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was involved in that, significantly, but often part-time for a couple of years, starting sometime in 1970. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=3023.0,3035.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And you were a full-time student, correct, in '69? (Paul laughs) Well, talk a little bit about that. Would you say you were a full-time student and a full-time anti-war organizer?\n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=3035.0,3048.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And a new father. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=3048.0,3050.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And a new father.\n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=3050.0,3051.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, that was, yes. And we don't need to go into the details. But even in hindsight, I do regret to extent the amount of manic enthusiasm or commitment that I made to the movement, at times at the expense of my home relationship, especially with—but, you know, on an emotional level, I felt—between the genocide and the repression that was happening, I had a very dark perspective on the future of the country. And I think I acted out of that, as well as paranoia. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=3051.0,3105.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=3105.0,3106.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We had a very armed and active right-wing Minutemen, KKK-type tradition in Eugene, and even more so in parts of Oregon than I think other parts of the country, given the liberal reputation of Eugene and Portland. And I definitely had a neighbor where we lived, who was a lawyer neighbor, well-armed, who likely became involved in putting dynamite in the mailbox by our home and shooting at the two homes that were up there with our friends and neighbors, at least a couple of times. (clock chimes) And so I became very—between the draft and personally and the increase of violence and potential violence on the right, I became very very paranoid. And I think that shaped some of the more risk taking that I did. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=3106.0,3198.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay, great. Yeah. I distinctly remember that when that dynamite was placed in your mailbox or the mailbox in the garage next to you— \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=3198.0,3212.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was a shared mailbox. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=3212.0,3212.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"—yeah, but that SDS members rallied to defend those houses in that territory against another possible attack. And that, in general, increased our awareness of this organized, armed right-wing movement that existed in the country. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=3212.0,3236.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm glad you brought that up, because though we were not supportive of the Minutemen, of the Weathermen militancy and violence, we began to—if not already, some of those that were perhaps Oregonians, we armed ourselves. We learned how to use firearms. We were involved with people that had been hunters and that, but in terms of self-defense. That was a very scary—\n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=3236.0,3275.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that was very consistent with the Black Panther Party that was evolving nationally and in Eugene. That they were committed to armed self-defense, right. And, definitely, I think that incident at your house was a turning point for many of us in SDS. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=3275.0,3298.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I really hadn't thought about that 'til now. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=3298.0,3304.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But in early 1970, there's a teach-in on Weyerhaeuser. Weyerhaeuser, of course, this is February of 1970, and Weyerhaeuser is, you know, the economic engine of the extractive economy of Oregon. But SDS is going to organize this teach-in on Weyerhaeuser as it had organized teach-ins on Vietnam. And then after that it would—there would be an attempt to disrupt Weyerhaeuser staff from recruiting students, conducting interviews. What's your memories of that? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=3304.0,3349.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. This also should be seen in the context of nationally and at the university that there had already been a couple of three years of protests against corporate involvement, or Dow Chemical was probably the first one nationally when Dow was among the primary manufacturer of the napalm used in Indochina and as an arms complicit in that particular ordnance. So I had been involved in these anti-Dow Chemical recruiters when they came on campus in Long Beach. I think there had already been probably similar protests before I got at the U of O [University of Oregon] and— \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=3349.0,3411.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dow Chemical that manufactured napalm? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=3411.0,3413.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"—the napalm. The connection there, the university complicity, allowing them to come on the campus. So that was part of a national boycott of Dow's other products, as well as the campus. And we'd also had some demonstrations against the military recruiters coming on campus at that point. As you mentioned, Weyerhaeuser was probably one of the major employers in the lumber industry throughout the Northwest, based in Tacoma, I believe. But they had a major organizational presence in Springfield where they had a mill, and they were the biggest polluters also. Everyone knew about Weyerhaeuser, because the valley would stink all the time, but they were also a major endowment to the university. And they had that partnership. So they were like a sacred cow, not only among the university community, but other institutions, usually the local government, because of the tax base. And the number of people employed by the mill and their largest land—one of the largest landholders of forests in the world. And among those were Oregon and Idaho and Washington state. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=3413.0,3515.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I had begun to do some research about six months earlier on Weyerhaeuser. I don't recall exactly what the impetus that I did that, but based on the Age of Imperialism course, I started to use that model of Harry Magdoff [radical economist] on the corporations to use Weyerhaeuser as an example of world and local imperialism and environmental degradation and exploitation and a major employer. I think initially I saw it as a term paper that I was doing for perhaps a political science or history class—I don't exactly, an economics class, not really sure. But I approached, learned that, in Springfield there was a library at the Weyerhaeuser headquarters there, and I went there and introduced myself as a student at the university. The librarian was very helpful. I didn't exactly, I just asked for doing a history of Weyerhaeuser and left it at that. And I got access to paper clippings and their monthly magazine that went out to stockholders and just a wealth of information. And I put together this pamphlet, \"Weyerhaeuser in the Age of Imperialism,\" as my term paper, and I think we distributed that widely with a lot of photos and clippings proclaiming what great corporate citizens they were and dug up quite a bit about their imperialistic practices, not just their environmental raping of the forests, and all over the world as well as the northwest, the pollution. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=3515.0,3652.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But there was one thing that stood out to me. They have these large cargo ships that would bring the extracted logs from Southeast Asia to the mills in the Northwest. And they would be empty, after they were emptied out at the ports. They had a contract with the U.S. government to take munitions back in the empty ships to Southeast Asia, and including the bombs that were taken to the Philippines to put on the [American] fighters [jets]. So we serendipitously discovered this through the library research because they were quite proud of it in their publications. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=3652.0,3706.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But this particular teach-in and then disruption of Weyerhaeuser interviews, was that focused on Weyerhaeuser the corporation, Weyerhaeuser and clear cut [of forests], Weyerhaeuser and the war, or Weyerhaeuser and all the above would you say?\n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=3706.0,3727.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"All of the above. But I'm not sure if we would have done this, if I hadn't done the research to make it such a global connection. And we took on the sacred cow, which just caused—it was a nonviolent demonstration. And they eventually backed out, given our history of what happened to other recruiters, which was fairly tame. The university ended up disciplining about seventeen of us I believe—there may have been nineteen, they may have increased the number. And Peter Jensen [grad student in English]  was the main one that they did the showcase hearing. To set an—they couldn't do us all as a group. It appeared they were going to have to do us one by one. And we had organized, there was support, demonstrations, around that. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=3727.0,3795.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And would you say, on balance, that the environmental movement and the anti-war movement, environmental movement had the first Earth Day in April of '68 [1970], I believe. But there was also a big protest that started the previous fall, right after the moratorium, around preventing the clear cut of a old-growth forest called French Pete and a lot of politicking and lobbying to get French Pete saved and taken into, preserved as wilderness. Would you say that the anti-war and the labor and the environmental movement were starting to converge at this time? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=3795.0,3852.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Definitely. And there was a crossover between the anti-war movement, individuals and groups. And groups like the Sierra Club, and I believe it was called Nature, the Nature Conspiracy. There was perhaps some other local groups as well, were already concerned about the clear cutting. And French Pete was nearby, and it was only forty-five minutes [drive]. It became a very popular wilderness camping trail and just hiking trail, a beautiful place. So there was that local consciousness because it was so close to the Eugene community. And the rally, this was the first time there had been a demonstration against the National Forestry Bureau to try to preserve heritage ancient forest. So it just seemed like there was such a natural connection and momentum that coincided with the moratorium and the visibility of what a large demonstration could do. It got transformed very quickly into that struggle to preserve French Pete. It turned out that because elected officials got involved in it, and it eventually turned out to be a success, that that forest was preserved. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=3852.0,3973.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So in the spring of 1970, after this Weyerhaeuser protest [February], how would you characterize the SDS chapter, which was fairly robust? But how would you say what people perceived as SDS was doing and what SDS stood for? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=3973.0,4012.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, by the spring, we were increasingly focused on ROTC. I think the Weyerhaeuser, I think the fact that we had a kangaroo trial [January 1970] gained sympathy for what we were doing. But, frankly, I just don't remember how it all ended. By then it was just overshadowed, I think, by the ROTC demonstrations. And by the time Kent State happened, that's all I kind of remember about the spring, how intense it was. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4012.0,4053.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, I want to tell you one other side. So weeks or months later, I think through the Associated Students [ASUO], representatives from Weyerhaeuser Corporate, from their PR, they wanted to interview me about what we were about and why we were doing this against Weyerhaeuser. And I remember they interviewed me for a couple of hours. They asked some really good question, and, you know, I just gave the—I just pretty much duplicated what I'd done in the packet and said this was morally reprehensible and that they had to clean up their act. It was a quite detailed discussion. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4053.0,4107.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So it may have been part of their reconceptualizing their image or their brand. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4107.0,4109.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was the end of it for me. Yeah, or coopt this. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4109.0,4120.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So in the spring of 1970, on April 15, the faculty narrowly vote to retain ROTC. And this issue has been evolving and ever more higher profile on campus. After that vote, which was narrowly, it was very narrow, just a handful of votes, that voted to retain ROTC. But four or five hundred protesters go over to ROTC and they cause extensive physical damage to the building. Were you part of that? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4120.0,4169.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4169.0,4170.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And tell me what you remember about that. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4170.0,4172.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I remember we had torches, homemade torches that were lit. And that was the first time I remember anything symbolically provocative as doing that. I don't believe we were advocating for physical damage to the building, but I'm sure that was on the minds of many. There was—I remember getting in a fight, by at least one of the cadets attacked me and we wrestled on the ground. I don't think there was any blood drawn, but we exchanged blows. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4172.0,4229.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then police— \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4229.0,4231.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They did—\n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4231.0,4233.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"—used tear gas to disperse the demonstration. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4233.0,4235.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I believe so. Frankly, I don't remember that. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4235.0,4239.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4239.0,4241.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I do remember, you know, within a couple of days we were indicted. There was more than seven. Eventually there was, I think, I wrote the number down, you want to double check. Maybe thirteen?\n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4241.0,4262.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. (both speakers speaking) Were charged with inciting a riot? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4262.0,4270.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Inciting a riot. Conspiracy to incite a riot, arson, and violence. They were all felony charges, and they would have involved some extensive prison time. That's the first time I believe that we had those kind of mass felony arrests while I was on campus, in the period we've reviewed so far. I'm not even sure if the police had ever been on campus before, before the anti-war movement. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4270.0,4313.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You were arrested and arraigned?\n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4313.0,4320.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4320.0,4321.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. And then, several weeks later in April, there was a take-over of Johnson Hall to protest those arrests. And I presume you were out on bail by that time. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4321.0,4341.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I didn't participate in that event. I may have been out of town, in hiding, in the Bay Area? \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4341.0,4351.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Uh-huh. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4351.0,4352.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was gone for about ten days, and then I turn myself in when I got back. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4352.0,4360.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. And so you don't—\n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4360.0,4362.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't remember that event. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4362.0,4363.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"All right. Okay, good. But do you remember the governor bringing the National Guard on campus? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4363.0,4372.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No. I believe that happened just before I had—I do remember a demonstration when the sheriffs had their shields, and they had the big rig—they marched up by the tennis court. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4372.0,4386.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They had a {highly armed} tactical squad [for large public protests]. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4386.0,4387.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What day was that? That was not the National Guard yet. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4387.0,4391.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4391.0,4393.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think maybe that was the— \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4393.0,4395.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think the sheriff formed a tactical unit and they were going to come on campus after Kent State. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4395.0,4406.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, okay. Yeah, I remember that. No, I don't remember the—you were around, but I don't think I was in town when the National Guard came. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4406.0,4418.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"All right. And were you part of constructing barricades in late April? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4418.0,4424.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think so, yeah. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4424.0,4426.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That historically had been a great site of controversy—the whole 13th Street. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4426.0,4434.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I remember the barricade. Is that the one where we also closed down the IRS [Internal Revenue Service]? \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4434.0,4441.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No. The barricades went up in around April 26, 1970. And that was very controversial because of just the noise and public safety issues with logging trucks coming through the campus. But it also overlapped with the anti-war protests and many—it was a student health and safety issue. It was also part of the blossoming anti-war movement that we would take over and barricade that street. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4441.0,4484.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that was a reaction to the National Guard. All that? \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4484.0,4489.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4489.0,4489.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, I don't. I think I viewed it, but I wasn't a participant. No, I can't help you there. Nor the occupation of Johnson Hall. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4489.0,4498.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"All right. All right. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4498.0,4500.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I was here for the invasion of Cambodia, that's for sure. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4500.0,4503.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. So May 6, 1970 is the invasion of Cambodia. And then May 4, four students are going to be murdered by the National Guard at Kent State. And so tell me your memories of kind of SDS organizing and the events that would follow Kent State and the invasion of Cambodia. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4503.0,4536.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I do remember us putting out flyers calling for action. But by then, the whole world, if not certainly all of Eugene—it already had everyone's attention. So it was so spontaneous and so large—and there was national, it just had a national momentum. I don't recall we had to do much to make that happen. And it was so huge. We had not experienced anything of that size before. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4536.0,4576.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's literally hundreds of campuses were going to be shut down right as the University of Oregon would be closed for three days after Kent State and Cambodia. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4576.0,4589.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"(both speakers speaking) And Jackson State too, you mentioned that. It was both. Largely Kent State, but Jackson State— \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4589.0,4599.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"—Jackson, Mississippi, there would be the murder of students there [two students killed by Jackson police May 15, 1970]. I believe it was that spring, as well, by law enforcement. But you very much remember the organizing and the mobilizing that was occurring on campus. But there was all this momentum nationally that it certainly did not require enormous effort to pull students—and a lot of students who I don't think had been active in the anti-war movement—perhaps to become for the first time after Cambodia and Kent State. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4599.0,4645.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. And were student deferments ended by then? We don't know. Okay. Because there was just a whole radicalization had gone on. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4645.0,4658.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. Students' deferments would be ended by the Nixon administration [Executive Order November 1969 created draft lottery and draft officially ended January 1973]. And there would be a movement to the—okay, so we're still talking about the spring of 1970, after the invasion of Cambodia and students being murdered at Kent State. At this point in May, [referendum is May 1971] there's going to be a ballot initiative in the city of Eugene to a non-binding ballot initiative directed at the federal government where citizens could vote yes for withdrawal by December 31, 1971. And there were several more anti-war candidates who ran at that time. U of O professor Art Pearl runs for governor, a member of the Women's International League of Peace and Freedom, Dorothy Leeper, runs for Congress. They did not win, but there was this electoral track taking place. Were you part of that or was SDS a part of that? (background noise)\n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4658.0,4756.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was not a part of that. I don't recall about SDS's involvement or non-involvement. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4756.0,4766.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"All right. (background noise continues) But you do recall the student body president Ron Eachus? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4766.0,4780.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4780.0,4780.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. And did you work with him? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4780.0,4785.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Not directly. No. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4785.0,4789.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But you did recall that he was very much against the war? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4789.0,4793.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, yes. Yeah. Yes. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4793.0,4795.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4795.0,4797.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mean, we knew each other. We were acquainted, sure. I had a good relationship with him. I just can't remember detail about this period of time. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4797.0,4810.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"All right. So let's go—and talk a little bit about there was another organization that was started at this time called the Revolutionary Union. And we're talking certainly by the spring of 1970. And were you a member of that? 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It was secretive and steeped in Marxist, Maoist theory and practice and to model, basically to model or adopt a Maoist model for revolution in the United States and organizing principles, including armed struggle.\n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4841.0,4908.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Explicitly wanting socialism in the United States and seeing China as some kind of a model—the Chinese revolution in 1949—as some kind of a model. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4908.0,4922.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, from my recollection, it was almost a—it was more communist than democratic socialist. That to me, that's the impression. (both speakers speaking)\n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4922.0,4938.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, Chinese revolution was a communist revolution in 1949. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4938.0,4945.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. And that organizing beyond the university, especially in a working class, representing a—merging more into working class and labor organizing was really moving off campus, into the community and into the workplace with cadre. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4945.0,4990.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. And the RU [Revolutionary Union] (clock ringing) was structured and had a kind of internal hierarchy with a great deal of accountability and planning, as I recall, in this organization. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=4990.0,5008.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it was very national oriented, the hierarchy, the leadership. (both speakers speaking)\n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5008.0,5012.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was nationwide. Later turned into something called the Revolutionary Communist Party. But many would drop out before it reached that point. But then perhaps the climax of anti-war activity would occur in May of 1971. And there was something called the People's Peace Treaty that American students and South and North Vietnamese students were trying to negotiate, a People's Peace Treaty, apart from the government. Kind of the framework, If the government won't make peace, we will make peace. And the May Day actions were an attempt to call attention to making this movement for a People's Peace Treaty mainstream. And we would organize actions locally. There was this May 1 a huge action of hundreds of thousands in Washington, D.C., and then three thousand would demonstrate in Eugene on May 1, 1970, I'm sorry, it was 1971. Do you recall being a part of that? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5012.0,5111.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, definitely. The civil disobedience downtown at ROTC. Yeah. That was in early May. Yeah, I do. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5111.0,5125.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Remember, May 1st was a very broad coalition effort. And then the following days, the fourth, fifth and sixth, there would be civil disobedience and marchers would go from the IRS, to the draft board, to Selective Service, I believe, to ROTC, but always keeping two steps ahead of the police and then the sheriff's tactical squad that would be attempting to counter demonstrations at the time. But then you remember being part of that, what was predominantly nonviolent civil disobedience? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5125.0,5175.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Primarily. I do remember some individuals—I'm not sure if I participated, I was nearby—commandeered a dumpster near the tennis courts in the ROTC office, in the frat houses, and attempted to roll that down the hill toward the sheriffs. Do you remember that? \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5175.0,5205.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. That was quite a dramatic action. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5205.0,5207.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't know, was it burning or not? I don't remember.\n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5207.0,5208.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was burning. Yes. And, nonetheless, the— \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5208.0,5217.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I also remember there were some tennis players. Some people kept playing tennis. It was very surrealistic at times. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5217.0,5227.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, those demonstrations were front-page news in the Register-Guard. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5227.0,5232.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5232.0,5235.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And simultaneously in 1971 [1970], there was the Hatfield McGovern [or McGovern-Hatfield amendment to the Miliary Procurement Authorization Act] was being pushed to cut off funding for the war by December 31, [1971] and a complete withdrawal from Vietnam. It is not going to pass the Congress [defeated September 1970], but it nonetheless was—there was momentum gathering to cut off funding for the war. And also the Vietnam Veterans Against the War becomes very prominent at this time, and particularly something in early '71 called the Winter Soldier Investigations. The Winter Soldier hearings in Detroit in early '71, and where soldiers are going to testify about war crimes. 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There may have been, but I don't recall. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5313.0,5328.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, there was. And actually in late '71, VVWA leader John Kerry is going to be on campus. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5328.0,5343.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I remember that. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5343.0,5344.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. So talk a little bit about what happens beyond these two upsurges of the spring of 1970 and the spring of '71. Were you still on—what had happened to your case of inciting a riot for what happened at ROTC in April of 1970 by this time? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5344.0,5376.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We were still—the cases were still pending. I don't think they got resolved until sometime after. It might have even been '73. I'm not sure where it was kicked. The courts kicked it out, I think. Go ahead. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5376.0,5398.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You were out on parole then? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5398.0,5399.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, bail.\n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5399.0,5400.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm sorry, you were out on bail. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5400.0,5404.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"On my own recognizance. I'm a little fuzzy about why I was able to travel to Latin America and get a passport. I don't remember that, what exactly my status was. But we did do a plea, a misdemeanor plea bargain, finally. That was, I guess, four or five years later. It was expunged from my record. But aside, where that carried with me after I left town in the summer of, officially moved to L.A. in '70, probably, in '73. My first job—I was already paranoid about the FBI coming around to see Fran and I, and they found us. And just—\n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5404.0,5453.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Harris was your partner? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5453.0,5455.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, later, my wife. Showed up at my workplace unannounced and told them who I was, and I got fired immediately. So my paranoia level in L.A. increased tremendously. Later, my record, as all of ours, it was expunged. So I think I was kind of less active as it looked like a trial was going to happen, which never did for us. And that would have been this period of '70, certainly by the end of '72, I became less and less active. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5455.0,5503.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5503.0,5504.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5504.0,5505.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But you had graduated. No, you hadn't? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5505.0,5509.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Not yet. No \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5509.0,5509.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You didn't get a degree? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5509.0,5511.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, yeah. But that wasn't, I think my degree was—it may not have occurred to '73-ish. I had to have some classes waived or something. So, officially, I never returned to campus, but I did graduate. Effectively, my attendance ended by the spring of '72. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5511.0,5540.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay, good. And so you and your partner go to Latin America for seven, eight months and— \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5540.0,5553.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the fall of '72. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5553.0,5556.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. Okay. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5556.0,5557.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I never returned to live in, never returned until '78. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5557.0,5565.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. So tell me about the aftermath of the anti-war movement and how that influenced your occupational choices and career paths or your involvement with other so-called movement organizations. You know, moving into the 1970s, what was the aftermath of the war like for you? And before you answer that question, would you say your opposition to the war is as strong today as it was at that time? Your rationale for opposing the war and how you look back on the war has not changed? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5565.0,5630.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"(Long pause) No. I had to give some thought to what has changed, but not my views. In hindsight, I might have acted or participated or had other ways of doing it. But when—yeah, I think, it's more about the movement and knowing what we now know about the COINTELPRO [FBI Counter Intelligence Program] and the infiltration and so on and so forth. Yeah. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5630.0,5664.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And yes, and it becomes—COINTELPRO was a program by the FBI to actively disrupt the so-called new left and the anti-war civil rights and so-called movement. And so in retrospect you're aware that that was a kind of pushback against the anti-war movement that directly affected you? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5664.0,5693.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. And the other part that's really front and center for me and troubling and I think I can maybe speak to what happened to other people. I think that our wanting to have a revolution and be anti-imperialist and to make a commitment at a time when the war was escalating and the repression, especially with the assassinations. Just the whole situation in the country at the time and Nixon being re-elected. Not having an alternative, organizationally, including electorally, and what had happened to the new left, both a self-destructiveness or a naivete. Again, the repression and the co-optation, the effect of the ending of the draft had on the movement. I regret how desperately, how desperate I was to, or so committed to having a revolution, that my experience in going into the RU direction and the Maoist direction. You know, given what happens in China later, around the Cultural Revolution and beyond, was a real, a lesson learned that I wish I would not have had learned it that way.\n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5693.0,5816.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But as much as you may have retreated from— \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5816.0,5820.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Not having an alternative. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5820.0,5821.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, there wasn't. Certainly the Democratic Party was not providing leadership for the kind of structural changes that needed to occur in the country. But I think what I hear you saying is that the Chinese revolution was not a model to be emulated in terms of what was needed here. But how would you say the whole experience in the anti-war movement then would influence your life choices, as it were, and engagement with other kind of movement activities, particularly when you come back to Eugene in 1978? \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5821.0,5870.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. Well, actually, in the six years plus, seven, that we were living in Venice and Santa Monica, I went back to graduate school and I had met some—no, actually, I'd worked in community health for a couple of years, kind of research positions, and didn't really know what I wanted to do career-wise. But I had, fortunately, coincidentally, got a work-study assignment, or opportunity, when I went back to graduate school in public health, because—no, that's not. I went back because, coincidentally, I got assigned to a planning agency where Paul Potter and Mark Kleiman were there. Yeah. And they were both— \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5870.0,5928.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paul Potter was a national leader of SDS. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5928.0,5931.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Along with Tom Hayden. And we were all living in the same neighborhood in Santa Monica area where Tom and Jane lived— \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5931.0,5944.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jane Fonda, the actress. \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5944.0,5944.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"—within walking distance. It was just a coincidence. And at the same time that I was at this agency, both Mark and Paul were in public health. And it was a very radical—the public health schools were very radical at that time for transforming the whole health care system and had some very progressive, or even more radical than that, teachers and colleges. So that kind of—that got me into the direction of graduate school. That I thought, Oh, you know, I'd like to do that. And then Tom Hayden decided to run for senate. So I got involved in his campaign and went to their house and licked stamps. And that was my first reconnection to the new left. Yeah. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=5944.0,6001.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, I believe that was 1976 that Hayden runs for the California— \n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=6001.0,6006.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. \n\nMarty Bennett","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=6006.0,6008.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"—as senator [challenges incumbent California senator John V. Tunny in the Democratic primary]. Yeah.\n\nPaul Gratz","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525#t=6008.0,6008.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3464/collection_resources/160671/file/292525/transcript/84538/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. So that was the only—but, besides, I was paranoid about the FBI coming around again to my employers, which never happened again. But my record might have been expunged by then. So, then returned to Eugene in '78 and got involved in the Stop the Trojan Nuclear Power Plant. 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I worked manual labor, digging ditches for an irrigation company, until I finally got back into community health and organized. 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