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I know it's my style, but what I what I was almost unable to direct when I was directing for in South America, where I didn't speak Spanish, but until I picked up enough words were all I could do with were just give me enough words to make contact, where I could just start uttering sounds to them, you know? 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Jack, Jack, Jack, Jack, black jack it like a wall. Come. And if you come down I'd lost contact. But as soon as I was able to go up and just sort of, you know, other words in a very pig Latin fashion or pig Spanish fashion, then I was able to start breathing with the person.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321#t=33.0,55.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321/transcript/76672/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't want to manipulate people unless I have to, or I like them to do it If it was, naturally, I thought, that's why I like to operate the camera. When I track them, I feel I'm part of the camera. And then I say, come on, it's not like the dentist, you know, have a yawn. Gonna have a big yawn. Don't be shy, you know? Squirrel face, face out. Relax. Lick your lips, you know, sit back. Have a good night. Have a cigarette. Come on. It's not really as bad as that. And I'll stop. And, you know, and I sort of chat, depending on who they are. But practically, with anybody, it's very difficult with a big union crew because you feel that totally out of sympathy, you know, with this. And I like to shoot first. I'll pick it up. Suddenly it's right. And I start shooting them and working with them. And as long as you work fast, people don't get bored. And the non-actor that I talk as if it's dialog because it's different now, know there's no solution for getting good dialog from the Non-actor absolutely none at all except in some way lighting. The guy's shaping it for letting him say it in his own words. I think you do a dialog from the non-actors practically, and the hardest things, if they're better than post sync, I think you can get some of the good performance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321#t=56.34,131.8"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321/transcript/76672/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Because you're getting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321#t=133.36,133.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321/transcript/76672/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e You're you're you're instilling a contradiction in your image, which is part of the problem of of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321#t=134.17,139.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321/transcript/76672/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Everybody trade almost all over is that you had a realist image and you had a.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321#t=141.67,145.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321/transcript/76672/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Staged voice where the Italians usually pretty good at moving on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321#t=145.81,149.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321/transcript/76672/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e A voice, but were. But nevertheless, it seems to me that you you're working into conventions I have never.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321#t=149.26,156.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321/transcript/76672/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Processed except when I've had to. But I have no conscience of putting in our words like I wouldn't put anything. You know. So far I learned for president on the film if he sounded good at the time, doing it sort of thing. 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But, I mean, you know, to ask you to light a cigarette now, naturally, while you're listening to me, I got the camera going the to ask you to play with your comb. Or you can play with your comb. Try playing with it with your left hand. You haven't taken it with your left and pick it up and try it. You've never played with that one of them up and and keep on talking. You know it's all right. No, you're just at the point. At that point you're going to do it naturally. Same. Good. You forgot about it. But see, that made me better put the shot that you always do it. That sound. It's not hard to stop thinking. And this will work with anybody, you know. You got to get them over the sphere. 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You know, and you can anticipate it because immediately you are somehow on synthetic vibrations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321#t=316.85,325.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321/transcript/76672/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e With the kind of the common denominator of that audience which reaches you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321#t=326.51,331.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321/transcript/76672/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Isn't this more shrewd?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321#t=332.72,333.59"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321/transcript/76672/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I think you and I, in a situation where a film is either for the first time being shown or previewed, or something like this, where people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321#t=333.96,341.96"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321/transcript/76672/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Are very conscious.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321#t=342.45,343.61"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321/transcript/76672/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Of, in a sense, being.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321#t=345.35,346.17"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321/transcript/76672/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Judges.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321#t=346.55,346.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321/transcript/76672/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e At that point of the film, for instance, for film, have been around for a long time. On the other hand, going into therapy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321#t=348.2,353.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321/transcript/76672/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no, no, no, that's the kids. They're going on a Friday night or something and watching the film. It's past all, all the critical stuff and all that jazz, and they're watching the film. 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Great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321#t=692.85,698.13"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321/transcript/76672/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What is the narrative but exposition.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321#t=699.09,700.35"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321/transcript/76672/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e From one end to the other, or this sense of, of of being left.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321#t=701.31,707.07"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321/transcript/76672/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Without knowing really what was going on. And just sort of floating pieces together. But by some summation of all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321#t=707.82,721.29"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321/transcript/76672/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e All this stimulus in which we met stimuli. 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Hope when the wife reads the letter to the husband when he once was in love with him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321#t=737.1,745.95"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321/transcript/76672/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And at that moment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321#t=747.69,748.26"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321/transcript/76672/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e Thumbs up it. Wasn't reasoning. 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But. When we start dealing with actors and and the theatrical situation. We start being asked to watch play. And other things seem to be coming into coming into operation. 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You know, it's terribly theatrical.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321#t=822.68,825.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321/transcript/76672/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e Attempt to bring on film.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321#t=830.86,834.64"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321/transcript/76672/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Kind of an outrageous.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321#t=835.84,836.23"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262321/transcript/76672/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e Type of play. 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That I feel that European cameramen can work in any style. They can light or they can do handhelds. Now Lassoli can obviously do that. He came from the documentary movement from outside and he can do a very free flowing thing or he can a very formal thing. The English cameraman, Walter Lassolini. He was the second cameraman on Tom Jones. Yes, no he was the first cameraman. I tried to get him to come to the film board when in the early days I admired his work. Of course, the momma don't allow him things, but it's just the man. He could have come for two months, but we wanted him for six to make it economically worthwhile. That's his age, 58. I wish he had come as well. 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Lactra, Zorbe the Greek, all Kakihaanis' films have actually been shot by Lacta. That's how he got his break into features with Kakiyaanis. He met him when Kakiyanis was an actor. I've never met any of these people, so I can only, I've admired his work from afar. Mm-hmm. And, you know, and I watch it with great interest. But I think going back to French, like I work with French-speaking cameramen up at the board, but they don't do anything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=59.65,88.53"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I'm sort of fishing around because I feel if I go at it too push-push, I just remain in my own little channel, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=91.289,97.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no, I mean, I don't mean, there's nothing, I'm trying to be as coached, and I'm never very-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=97.53,101.83"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That's all right, because you'll come up with things. The one thing I'm missing is some of the fire we had when we were walking on Monday, but I think we've covered most of the things we talked about there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=102.699,111.98"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, well, I mean, I don't want to go off and fire on controversial subjects, on people, especially our films. I do feel strongly, I feel very strongly about the American cinema, and I'm not going to talk about Hollywood, you know, just pushing that out at one side into the sort of same world as commercials, but that taking the East Coast, that outside the Union, though there are many people working, there is a lack of professionalism. I really notice this. Trying for the very best image quality besides freeing yourself as well, you know, people who free themselves throw quality down the drain and You obviously if you're going to be very free and fast you've got to let certain amount of quality go You know because you have a number of errors, but there's a sort of tendency not to try and I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=112.03,159.46"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e When you say quality, are you talking about photometra? 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So it has enough shots and everything, so you no realize the time, you know. The good one, you mean, I saw it in 1994 last year. You know, how quickly it was shot. But on the other hand. You have a feeling that many people in the East might have taken a week on it, you know, and they would have had no extra cover shots to help them. They can't be bothered. This is the Drew School, originally. They could never be bothered to take a shot of the outside of the building. You know, at least give you a breathing space. I'd say this is a basic difference, candidate. We would get away from the subject often. You know as far as possible, go out and away. You'll see this in this film, I did last summer when it comes down, we try and get away from things. But the American sort of cinema rage is to keep on it, you know, if it's the Maisel's film or Leacock, you keep with it and with it, and with and with, and it's a sort of endless television program.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=161.58,244.85"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Don't you feel that there is an attempt in those films to somehow establish the feeling of real time? To make use of that, in the sense that Visconti made use of it in the ball sequence of the leopard, you know? That would be a more... 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I feel that film is such a wonderful medium, it's so flexible, to sort of tie yourself down. And I get bored with people just constantly being after them. 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In a sense, where this can work, it seems to me, it becomes another plus for convincing the audience, for bringing the audience into whatever is going on. Now, of course, sometimes it just gets plain boring, but if you can have a long piece Abusing the time itself somehow this would seem to add to the credulity of it, you know, the credibility of it actually.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=312.17,371.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Where there's a payoff within the scene, or where the character pays off. And naturally if you shoot anybody long enough, you know, and there's something you're after, you'll get a payoff. But I feel, you're sort of tape recording at length. It was what I talked about in interview material, sometimes you do people for half an hour on interview line, which is the same sort of thing as they're doing, you keep after them. And they will build and build and become wonderful. You cut it down and it's nothing. But you've got to have those sort of people who will pay off. 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There is no photographic texture. There is very little choice, you know, of how people are shot. It's always with away from the zoom, zoom in, always with zoom lenses, rarely longer than anything than that, you know, or wider than the 12. I don't know, they're recorders, I think they're social observers, and they're persistent, and like all persistent people, they get things, and I think it's quite legitimate. I find it boring after a time, unless the person involved that they are pursuing is so immensely interesting that you would take him an eight millimeters out of sync, which you would, you know. It's like any important event, it doesn't matter how badly or very interesting person and shotted down or approached, you know, inherently they come over.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=435.98,486.82"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Don't you feel that this is nevertheless one of them? Unfathomable qualities of film to be able to take an event like this, bring it to us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=488.46,500.19"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Absolutely, I think it's quite legitimate, but it's a dead end, you know, it's a small, minor end of filmmaking, and it's good for recording people, or events with a lot of warmth in them, you know, events which are inherently loaded, I think the French have pointed this out, events which are intrinsically interesting in themselves. But I would like to see them sort of heave off to do Man of Aaron. I mean, you know, I just don't think it could be done that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=500.39,532.9"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e A man of iron, of course, is not a recording of an event.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=534.37,537.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I'm saying you're tied to events, that's the point. This technique is practically tied if it's a multiple birth, if it is a take off of a balloon, if its a political convention, Jane Fondren, her first class, it's always an event. It's the ultimate in newsreel recording, I think, and it's influenced by television. It's very, very tele... Television, and it doesn't have any of the pictorial qualities of film, or it can use the cutting qualities of the film. You can't pace the cutting in these things because there isn't enough material. You know, you're always with the same thing. You cannot start pacing cutting. It's great chunks of film glued together. The intercutting is usually to get over awkward points. That, I think, is a big difference. I'm much more interested. Now, I'm not saying I don't make films like that, because I've made films like willy-nilly. But I'm not particularly interested, and I think it's a dead end, except if you want to record people and get some feeling of the gritty quality of their personality over it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=537.45,601.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e There seems to me to be some other way of structuring this kind of film, which nevertheless turns it into an artistic...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=605.47,614.33"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Absolutely, but you must shoot it in a different way. You must shoot peripherally. You must go for photographic things, sometimes for mood. You must not just go for head-on approach of the man, the man in other things, in moments of repose, which, you know, not necessarily set up. You must always go off and always waiting with the microphone and the thing for him to pick the phone up or react to what somebody says to him. It's got to be something else where they don't do it. 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It's very American, I think. You know, though Ricky isn't originally an American, but he's very much an Eastern American intellectual. And it is very, very American. It's singular minded. It goes and goes and it goes. It pursues and hunts down and it pays off. But I think it makes for quite a dull image. If you find actually their thing, you could do stills and run, you could show people clips out of their stuff and run the track and probably get as much out of it as possible. The track is immensely important. Without the track, if you showed their film silently, I think they'd be terribly boring.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=654.93,698.56"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e They don't pretend them to be visually fascinating, another power of film being that of the soundtrack.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=701.1,710.22"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, but it's mainly soundtrack. I could sit through Jose Jim, you know, and look at it visually. I could set through any number of films and look the visually without the track on. You know, because they're film, they're visual. They're strictly non-visual, they are things. As I say, they don't really, they aren't really in the film. It may as well sort of leak up really. It's sort of television. They're sort of the portable tape, videotape machine. When portable videotape comes in, there'll be the leading exponents out there, you know. You can always be there recording the man, the ideal. This is quite legitimate, I just don't think it's very filmic, or has very much to do with the cinema. It's not cinéma vérité in any way, I think. Because the French always got round the subject, so did they at the board. You know, they made a story, they got round it all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=710.64,762.0"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It's one, one thing that's fascinating to note, however, that once this style has been set up within the film, a cut becomes a very","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=764.5,773.72"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Terrible problem, because there's nothing to go to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=774.88,776.86"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I mean, even if you do, and you can build, for instance, in the show when there is a sequence that's built out of cutting, the discussion at the radio station, which I think is one of the more exciting scenes, but it's highly cut up, but you suddenly become aware of the intervention of someone in cutting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=777.39,798.89"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e It doesn't fit with the rest of the style of the film, you know, the film had been sort of structured, you now, to shoot peripheral things and parallel things, you know, but it's just because it's had to be cut there to make it work. I think it's valid for television recording. It's good for what I call profile material.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=801.14,824.66"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You seem to feel that there is something that is cinema, and that because you feel that this is not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=827.23,834.39"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e This, I feel, is just recording and, you know, just to use the camera as a recording apparatus, I think, is a bore. It's not using, you know, they don't play around with time or space. Play around with the... You take the back-breaking leaf when it suddenly goes off into night and the guys are singing and then it comes out at dawn to something quite different to what we've been in. See, that's not recording. You know, that was all shot. Got to get up and I shot them at night and the photographs at bloody dawn at five in the morning and moon shots and all this business. You know it's all done for a purpose which you wouldn't do if you had a head-on approach. If you'd have just followed the tobacco can. You know, you wouldn't have gone out and shot the moon, let me say that, or stuff dripping on leaves. Which would have been peripheral. You would always be with the gang, always with the microphone, always listening to what they said. And you would have had another type of film. But I think, you know, I don't know, I'm more cinematic. I say I'm influenced by the French, the Europeans. I don' know why, but I mean that's where I feel my...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=835.98,904.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e What about Rude?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=905.58,906.1"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Rich, not so much, no, it doesn't matter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=907.43,909.71"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e He doesn't appeal to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=911.96,912.88"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No, not at all. I make films like that often, but you know, what I do and what influences me, I don't know what influences, but what I like is totally alien to all that. Cinema only appeals to me either if it's got a sort of sudden joyousness of its own, like this thing last night in the scarecrow bar, just, you know. Gold, which I thought was wild, so I love rock and roll and all this sort of stuff, it sends me, it suits the cinema so well. Or story films. Certainly, I think it's good for reputage, but I look on that as a television media, purely. I work in it most of the so god knows I know, but it's something else, it's a minor art form.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=912.83,963.57"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Of course the Goldwater film was highly composed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=964.27,965.69"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I know that. But it's using techniques, but I prefer it composed than if they'd gotten hold of it and run it at great length, you know. I mean, the primary would be much better if it had been done like that, you now, with a sort of human mind. Primary was an endless recording, and there were enough rich nuggets to make a film out of it. But I think if you showed it to a foreign audience who'd never heard of Kennedy, it would be a big bore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=966.38,991.32"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e So when you approach a scene or something that you want to shoot, since you sort of feel bound even if you were making a fiction film to be dealing with reality, what are you trying to present? What are you doing when you approach that scene? You are not presenting us the scene then. You are presenting us something that tells us about the scene.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=992.47,1012.73"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I honestly don't know. I'm a man who plays around with forms of reality because I'm into documentaries. I don't, no. I honestly, don't. I can't analyze it. I am very bad that way. I go in and do it. I just do it, you know. It just seems, I go after something, I'm after something. 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I knew there was going to be, it had to be. We had to get a conversion, we had to have a man to come up. You know, I was after that. It worked. I felt this was the type of place, the type of audience, you know, that set the cameras pre-knitted. You had to tell people that if you didn't want to be photographed, don't come in, because you're going to be photographed. You knew all this stuff. 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It wasn't just running because we didn't have the long runs and things in those days. I was in an intercom system. I was watching like a leech. So immediately this guy moved. I knew who it was going to be, see, because you get used to watching this type of thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=1082.09,1097.55"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You saw the guy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=1099.28,1099.84"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, oh yeah, I knew who it was going to be, you know, before he did it. That's why cameras were on him. In those days, they were working through small viewfinders and fixed lenses. It wasn't zoom, it was reflex. It doesn't matter if you like it or not. When I found this guy could play spoons in the tobacco workers place, he doesn't belong with that group of people. I brought him in and put him there from another farm because where he was in another farm, he was an itinerant worker, didn't work. But I knew that his sort of music and these guys saying the Backbreaking Leaf would work. I brought them in and set him up there, but it's another bunkhouse and another farm. And, you know, paid him some money and got him booked, but I knew that would work. I just know my people well enough then. And I didn't try and do him in his own farm, it wasn't suitable. I have no morals about pulling people out, you know, setting them to the best context, which suits me, so I can get a good recording and everything, because I operated the camera and did the recording and I lit the thing all by myself with one assistant.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=1100.18,1167.99"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Leacock said, and I think he's got a good point, it was certainly debatable. There is no use making a fiction film and taking a fiction film and making it look like reality. His criticism of who the world was, it's fake reality that surely is using our techniques in a way to fool people, to make them think it's real. What fiction film should be doing is something tremendously creative which has nothing to do with the surface of reality, but rather something else. What would be your...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=1171.32,1208.18"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I don't want to go in. I think Leacock has problems. I think he feels inadequate as a director, you know, and that's why he's turned against fiction film. So he wants to make a fiction film, a very artificial creation, nearer to the theater. He used to say the theater was the only place. This is what he told me. And I think this is a personal problem of his, and I don' think it's something worth discussing on that point. I do feel it doesn't matter. It depends what you're doing. The Italians make things look real, and I don't know if he calls those fiction films or not. I call them fiction films, certainly. But they make things that look extremely real. So do the French, often. And I think this adds to their impact. Often a bad film because it looks real, gets away with it. You know, where in the Hollywood convention, it would just look tawdry, you know. It's got a better... Feeling, but I think that's purely a thing of Leacock's, you know, he sort of goes... To want to separate. Yeah, to want to separate because I feel that he, I don't know, I just feel he's perhaps, he doesn't direct, you know, and he doesn' want to direct, he may or may not be able to, and he's turned against it. I do direct, I direct a lot in my films, but I don' want my hand to show on my documentaries ever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=1208.85,1283.21"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e On it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=1286.7,1286.94"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, I'll give you a thing in Backbreaking Leaf. There's a woman in there who's totally blind, and she asked me to shoot her and direct her so nobody knows she's blind. Not in the back breaking leaf, in the blood and flour. And I did that. And she's a stone blind woman. She was a woman who talked about tomatoes. She's stone, absolutely blind. And she said, you can do it if you don't shine blind. I'm too proud. So she got blind later in life. And I directed her. I got her to the camera lined up and my voice and where I am. Now, you know, you're on me now, okay, just a little higher, a little lower, and I'm going to talk to you, and I'll just hold it, this is all in. And we did a half-hour interview, and she never could tell she was blind. See, because she asked me to do that, but I mean I do, I control all the time I control what passes. I'm delighted if I don't have to, if it's working for me without me having to insert my arm into the machinery, but if I go out and do it the whole time, it's not hard. You have to have a rapport with somebody. I mean, I could, can you cross your legs the other way, for instance, and swing and chair him. Alright, get your elbows under some good, comfortable position as suits you, you know, and goof off a bit. Alright, you now, we've changed your round. You'll still go on talking to me just as easily and play around. Now I've done it. I've got myself another angle. I do this with people. I don't discuss... You know, they sit in one position. You've done it for me, you didn't want to, particularly, you don't believe in it, but you've done it now. I'm not from any, it's just because we have a good relationship, and I couldn't do it unless I get it. I was talking today about people, getting this relationship, you get it by talking to them. I had my class, one guy interviewing another guy, and then they would change, we began to get to know each other. And I said this is the real key, you see, so you start to feel the thing is You can ask them to do things now. I ask the man to light a cigarette, I often say, don't light your cigarette now, light it when I tell you to, because I have continuity problems. I do not like giving the editor problems, I've worked enough cutting that I don't want to give him more problems than I'm going to present him willy-nilly with my style of shooting. I will try and pick up cutaway material for him. So there. What were you doing with your hand? You know, we're in directing, taking a union crew. They get very upset on this style of imperceptible directing. But working, this is particularly the non-actor. It's a suggestion. And it's almost a hypnotic thing that they begin to listen to you. And you can start to manipulate people quite a lot. When I do a documentary, I don't manipulate them outside the terms of reference of what they normally do. I notice a guy may have smoked a cigarette in a certain way, I'm observant. And then I may say, do you always smoke it holding it in three fingers and no thumbs? And so I sometimes do. I say, well, do man smoking it that way now? I say, why not? Take another deep purr. Throw it up a little bit this way. You know, you may want a nice... People are usually delighted to cooperate if it's within the context of their normal behavior and then you work away from that. That's why I'd like to go to Fiction, see as working in this line of people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=1287.32,1500.11"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You establish that as a contact point, and then you can lead them into things that they are not able, normally, to do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=1501.17,1508.25"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e As I say, I don't know, Frost doesn't like dogs. He didn't like dogs. I got him to pat them because they're around him. I could have got him kick them if I wanted to, but they probably wouldn't have used it in the film. You know, and he wouldn't have been happy, but he was suggesting, I talk all the time when I'm with the camera. I give confidence. I say, that's very nice. That's good. I'm going to just change my lens now. You just hold it. Come on through the door. You know it's very, nice. Don't pay any attention to me. You have the camera running on. I have the cameras. You know don't pay attention to. That's fine. It's all right. I just talk like Humphrey. Come on. Walk on. Come on I'm. Going backwards. So I'm going back with one hand. Like this, because I learnt to shoot with one hand, so I nearly went, I did it the same with Jack and Jacqueline, I used to talk to Jackie, we could have got good stuff off her at that time, nobody was interested on the primary. I spent a lot of time talking to people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=1508.74,1564.68"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You sort of, how do you feel about your conversation? It's sort of like a, like a cushion of air that...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322#t=1568.02,1574.54"},{"id":"https://uoregon.aviaryplatform.com/collections/236/collection_resources/141784/file/262322/transcript/79356/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it's sort of keeping them going, and I'm sort of quick, and can feel out what they're interested in, and being a sort of invertor talker, so I'm just as well prepared to talk about what they are interested in. You know, if it's hot rods, or tape recorders, or modern literature. 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